🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

anandtech has all tested, but uhhhhh, site dead lmao

[pale sigil]

im fine tbh

new stock omes next weeek

i wont have the rest of my hardware for a week or two anyway

[fickle ore]

guru3d using 3600/14

[pale sigil]

nononononnonno

my order vanished

[fickle ore]

winning in far cry here atleast, with 3600/14.. wasnt that the problematic title?

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_5900x_and_5950x_review,23.html

720p benches, yay!

[ashen spindle]

check out igor, he does tests of both, max mem clock specified from vendor and with a second run at 4k for memory

[pale sigil]

ive been charged

and my order has gone

[fickle ore]

is igor's out?

[ashen spindle]

watching it right now

[fickle ore]

link

[ashen spindle]

https://bit.ly/2Gwh5kz

[pale sigil]

oh ffs

it made a new account

cos i used amazon pay

[fickle ore]

kk igors lab did it at ddr4 4000 tho idk what CL

beats 10900k in all

[pale sigil]

how tf am i supposed to change my password

when its using amazon

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

I am a bit scared to see him have the massice drop in fps witht he 5900x when not disabling 1 CCD, NUMA flashbacks to threadrippers lol

[zenith sonnet]

Urgh, had a 5950X in my basket, but when checkout completed I was returned an empty basket and no order

[pale sigil]

5600x is impressive

really is

glad i held off

Wait

actually

So 3456 vs 2770 for me

[ashen spindle]

what are those numbers

[pale sigil]

from single core

passmark

[fickle ore]

do you have b550 chipset or x570

[pale sigil]

None

[fickle ore]

wut

[cursive summit]

B450 pleb

[ashen spindle]

he has a 7700k atm

[cursive summit]

Tfw you rush to build your brand new rig and realize B450 is not going to support 3rd gen Ryzen until January

Yeah 7700k and a GTX 1070Ti?

I remember that

[pale sigil]

correct

[cursive summit]

Well that's quite a bazonkers update to a 5600x

[ashen spindle]

eyy anandtech is almost running again lmao

soon I can finally read a review lol

[pale sigil]

do what you want, i see no point arguing. They are same shit in general, but intel still a bit better for gaming because u can oc them 5k ghz and up. Plus prices dropped. Amd lost its point to buy

-_-

[ashen spindle]

5k ghz

I mean you actually can not beat that with anything amd does in the next 5+ years

[zenith sonnet]

AMD does 5.05GHz at stock, no need to OC

[fickle ore]

5 terahertz processor? woot

[ashen spindle]

yeah must be a new intel patch that unlocked that

[fickle ore]

ggwp intel

[pale sigil]

"Single core tests are irrelevant"

....

[ashen spindle]

are you stil talking to whoever that idiot is lol

[pale sigil]

"The 5900x is the same price as a I9"

i just dont think

he understands

[ashen spindle]

100% doesnt

[zenith sonnet]

Dunno what I expected

But has anyone seen a 5950X yet?

[hard thicket]

here in austria germany

it will be available tomorrow

but the prices are messed up

because of the low supply most likely

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah I saw 10 available in this one shop.. now it's at over -25 and no idea when more is coming Normal price though

[zenith sonnet]

I don't understand why they don't have preorders 🤔

[misty pier]

🤔

why would they have preorders

[crimson wigeon]

That would be too luxurious

[misty pier]

real people wake up around the product launch and buy it 😤👌

[pale sigil]

XD he has done some research

And now he's saying he wants oneb

[ashen spindle]

hm I wonder why igor has those issues in shadow @fickle ore checked again and GN doesnt have the issue with the 5950x in it

if its a 950x and not 900x issue that would be super weird

[zenith sonnet]

It may be the 6 vs 8 core thing

Does 5600 vs 5800 show the same issue?

[fickle ore]

what issue specifically?

[ashen spindle]

did you not check out igors article?

the SOTT results

of the 5900x

[fickle ore]

I just skimmed the graphs

[ashen spindle]

well look at them again

the 900 performs much worse than the 600

but better if he turns one CCD off

[fickle ore]

ah yeh

thats prolly the 50ns vs 60ns or maybe the ccd to ccd latency

[ashen spindle]

but the 5950x doesnt have the issue

[fickle ore]

oh

[ashen spindle]

at least not for GN/hub

he doesnt have his yet so he couldnt check it

and hub/gn dont have the other videos up yet

[fickle ore]

idk how many times they run those benches per title

if its reproducible

[ashen spindle]

it is, he even changed boards etc.

[fickle ore]

huhhm

[ashen spindle]

ah TPU also tested the 900x in SOTTR

[fickle ore]

gn/hu might be gpu bound afiak they test 3200/14 or 16 and 1080 ultra graphics

[ashen spindle]

nah look at his results again, that cant be it

TPU doesnt seem to have the issue

weird

just makes me worried there are still potential issue for multi CCD cpus

[fickle ore]

on the TPU 5800x leads in most

vs 900x

[ashen spindle]

yeah but negligible compared to his differences

[pale sigil]

wait

[fickle ore]

yeh

[pale sigil]

900 performance wors

[ashen spindle]

igor has that issue with SOTTR yes

[fickle ore]

TPU TEST SETUP : 2x 8 GB G.SKILL Flare X DDR4
DDR4-3200 14-14-14-34

Kinda wish they even ran 3600/14 as default tbh

[ashen spindle]

ehhh

[pale sigil]

why 720p

in 2020

[ashen spindle]

I can see why, but I'd prefer reviews to stay in the guidelines of what a manufacturer says

bc its a cpu test

[fickle ore]

what you mean we arent testing GPU's here?

[zenith sonnet]

@fickle ore Funny how they stick to official specs, but only for AMD

[ashen spindle]

bc once you allow OC memory as default, that just opens floodgates

[fickle ore]

I guess

[pale sigil]

wait

am i reading this right

[ashen spindle]

probably not

[pale sigil]

ddr4 4000?

[zenith sonnet]

TPU used 3200 for both AMD and intel

But afaik the 10900K is only up to 2933 officially

[pale sigil]

wow

[ashen spindle]

yes igor uses stock and 4000 for comparison

if you mean that

[pale sigil]

im looking at the benchmarks now

holy

the 5900x below the 5600x

[ashen spindle]

yes thats what I'm talking about

[fickle ore]

TPU SOTTR 720p's were 200-280 fps

igor's got them at 100-180

idk what settings that game force but idk might be showing mem latency bottleneck at maxest settings

[ashen spindle]

max settings vs low settings maybe?

[fickle ore]

yeah, probably

maybe one specific setting causing issues or causing mem latency bottleneck idk

[ashen spindle]

but wait, in 4k, waht does TPU get

[zenith sonnet]

TPU does not use ingame benchmarks

They always use custom scenes

So, can't compare FPS really

[fickle ore]

:<

[ashen spindle]

ah they use a 2080ti and igor has a 3090

maybe its a pcie4 issue? wouldnt make sense why its only for him then either though

hmm guess we have to wait for his next update

[fickle ore]

still doesnt make sense as igor has better gpu but lower frames

[ashen spindle]

hmm

maybe tpu isnt using max settings?

[zenith sonnet]

TPU 720p is at low settings

[ashen spindle]

but wouldnt make sense on 4k

[zenith sonnet]

Because the Forum asked for it, they didn't want to add it, actually

I generally ignore it and look at 1080p and up

[ashen spindle]

actually does TPU even say what settings they use?

I dont see it

[fickle ore]

720p is pretty good, something like 4k shouldnt even be added for cpu tests

[pale sigil]

Anyone want my 5600x for 400 quid

[zenith sonnet]

Eh, tbh, adding UHD to CPU tests is fine to show how little difference CPUs sometimes make

[ashen spindle]

ah they do mention it

oh is AT finally loading? I could only see the world of tanks results, 700+ at 360 lol

so yeah I guess TPU and igor do something very different in the SOTTR run?

[fickle ore]

amd beating intel even in rdr2, where in other benchmarks intel was beating it...?? wtf

[zenith sonnet]

Holy what did they do?

Those gaps are HUGE

Even larger than GN with their 5.05 GHz sample

[ashen spindle]

Do you have SOTTR maybe dag?

maybe the benchmark has some setting that can be changed they dont mention

doubt it but cant really check it

[fickle ore]

no they dont test sottr

[ashen spindle]

what

no I mean if you have the game, not AT

I know they dont test it lol

[fickle ore]

oh

No I dont 😄

[zenith sonnet]

alternate unlisted the 5950X again

They still have the 5900X listed

[pale sigil]

i think im going to be pretty confident getting a 6800xt

if i can

[reef patrol]

Here's hoping. Thankfully my 2080 didn't die from being put back on air. It'll get to stay till then 😄

[pale sigil]

I thought about it, i dont really need dlss and i dont use shadowplay much

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle this is really odd

[pale sigil]

DLSS is still heavily for RT and 4K

[zenith sonnet]

I think I'll wait getting new cards

[fickle ore]

how does intel win suddenly at 4k but amd beats it at 768p by that large amount?

[pale sigil]

i have no choice

[reef patrol]

Yeah - DLSS or AMD's alternative seems mandatory for RTX for now.

[pale sigil]

1070ti is dogshit at 1440p

[reef patrol]

I can't run Legion at 1440 without Performance DLSS enabled with the lowest RTX. Otherwise it dips below 60

[zenith sonnet]

Until I can get new fans

So probably Q1

[ashen spindle]

Hmm yeah that is interesting, I guess it depends on the resolution because the load on the cpu shifts from doing CPU only tasks to feeding the cpu

[zenith sonnet]

@reef patrol Performance DLSS is pretty terrible in that game

[reef patrol]

If you say so. I can't tell.

[zenith sonnet]

Like, damn, that's a blurry mush

[pale sigil]

What

no

DLSS 2 is godly

[reef patrol]

Though I disable motion blur and artificial focus.

[zenith sonnet]

Balanced or higher seems alright, though

[reef patrol]

So.. uh... sharp here.

[pale sigil]

Motion blur gets to much hate

[zenith sonnet]

No

[pale sigil]

it can be god awful tho

[reef patrol]

It really doesn't 😄

[zenith sonnet]

Any blur is bad

[reef patrol]

My eyes do both motion blur AND focus all by itself. I don't need the game to try and guess what I am looking at and force me to do so.

[pale sigil]

games feel more rough without it for me personally

some games take the piss like cod

omfg

motion blur in cod

[reef patrol]

If I am looking at a foreground character, my eyes will (magic I know) defocus the background 😄

[pale sigil]

or in bl3

awful

[reef patrol]

And since I have a wide ass monitor... why would I need motion blur? 😄

[misty pier]

also, does AMD have a NVENC counterpart

[ashen spindle]

yes

[pale sigil]

ye

its actually pretty good for once

[misty pier]

is it better or equal to it

[pale sigil]

equal and better sometimes

[misty pier]

huh, I might have a reason to ditch nvidia then

[pale sigil]

from what ive gathered

it also uses ugh

i forgot the term

[ashen spindle]

it depends, we cant tell how much it differs on rdna2

[pale sigil]

ReLive records in constant framerate and ShadowPlay records in variable framerate

[reef patrol]

LOL

[pale sigil]

wait no

[misty pier]

wh

[pale sigil]

that sounds like bs

[reef patrol]

The place I bought my 5600X at won't receive more CPUs till just after christmas.

[misty pier]

what

[pale sigil]

Ohh

[reef patrol]

God I hope mine is packaged tonight.

[pale sigil]

i think thats older one

[misty pier]

you mean bitrates?

or fps? o_O

[pale sigil]

Dont scare me Mansen

[reef patrol]

Wish I was kidding. "Ordered at distributor. Expected back in stock 29th dec"

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle ok u need to check anand's fast. very interesting stuff. generally amd wins at 360p to 720p by like 20-30% but then 1080p or higher results in some cases intel winning the 5900x, but 5600x beating intel

perhaps 360p-720p is so small that gamercache can fly

[ashen spindle]

yeah was going to say, that sounds like it's down to cache

[zenith sonnet]

Ufff

I'm scared now

[pale sigil]

where i got it from has no expected

but

they said they get more stock next week

[ashen spindle]

and higher res needs more drawcalls and such that force talking to the GPU which requires different parts of the cpu to work

[pale sigil]

-_- its so stupid they upped the price

[zenith sonnet]

That makes no sense @fickle ore

[pale sigil]

so shady

[fickle ore]

it makes sense

somewhat

[ashen spindle]

yea

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle Ill be good with 750w right

[misty pier]

huh, are the stock shortages that big?

[zenith sonnet]

Not to that extent

[ashen spindle]

yes you will be

[pale sigil]

Wouldn't say short

They had like 5k people

looking at the page

lol

[fickle ore]

but yeah anand's has the best review this time around

very detailed

like 4 diff resos

[pale sigil]

i was gonna wack my old 600w psu into this pc and try and sell it

[ashen spindle]

they do that always lol

[pale sigil]

as a full system

i cant justify buying a new psu

atm

[fickle ore]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested/20

[ashen spindle]

doctor C does excellent work

[pale sigil]

never messured my usage

what do you think my 7700k and 1070ti is using

lol

[fickle ore]

again FFS

[ashen spindle]

add their max powerdraw and use like 75% of it and it's probably accurate

[pale sigil]

how much do you think in W @ashen spindle

[ashen spindle]

idk do you think I just know the tdp of random parts

I dont even remember what the parts in my pc use

[pale sigil]

cos you're big brain

xD

[ashen spindle]

look there is random stuff to remember and then there is useless stuff lol

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle Beyond AGESA 1.1.0.0 for Ryzen 5000 Series:

Returning support for negative core voltage offsets (“undervolting”) with all-new AMD functionality for better frequency, voltage, and performance tweaking
Additional AMD optimization for performance and stability at ~2000MHz fabric clock. While not all processors are innately capable of reaching this frequency, our tuning is intended to help stabilize the overclock on capable samples2 —good luck!
Additional functionality tuning for benchmarking under extreme OC conditions (e.g. LN2)

😄

[ashen spindle]

uhhh

I mean, you remember what we just talked about?

igor got his to 2k

so uh, yes

we knew that xD

[fickle ore]

yeoo

but

still

[ashen spindle]

its nice yes

[fickle ore]

anyway hyped af

wait what igor got 4k on 5600x and 5800x too?=

[ashen spindle]

no only the 5900x bc he doesnt have a 5800x xD

5600x managed 3900 for him though

[vagrant marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utWSSlyabjc

5900 stock is better than a 10900k overclocked

[zenith sonnet]

He showed the same for the 5950X

TBH, I find it kinda weird that he almost always has extreme OCed CPUs he compares with

Same with the 10000 series and 3000 series reviews

[vagrant marsh]

one thing i do notice here is that average fps is higher, but the 1% lows is lower than those of intel

power usage

317 watt for max overclocked 10900k XD

[ashen spindle]

more power = more good

[vagrant marsh]

ooohhhh. thats gonna hurt ur energy bill

still. "overclocked" 5900x 193 watt. that isnt low either.

[zenith sonnet]

Funny

His 5950X only pulled 120W

[ashen spindle]

ohhh I got an idea @fickle ore

maybe igor unlike the others has DR or SR sticks

could be something that agesa is mishandling a bit

bc otherwise I got no clue

[vagrant marsh]

maybe i will order multiple stuff but use the pay afterwards option

i can always send back the stuff i dont want

[zenith sonnet]

I can't order anything

No preorders

[vagrant marsh]

dude. you cant even pre order?

[ashen spindle]

yup I think that could be it @fickle ore igor seems to have DR sticks and gn/hub/tpu have SR

[zenith sonnet]

@vagrant marsh Most stores even removed the listings, and they only popped up intermittently, if at all

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle wait what, whats the consensus and how does DR/SR kits affect that?

[ashen spindle]

it's my own guess

DR stick = issues with multiple CCD or CCX

cant confirm it obviously

but it has to be either the CPU or the ram, since he tested another board

(or he had some broken bios version or so)

and it's not speeds or timings, so that's the only thing I can think of

[fickle ore]

ya could be bios or agesa too

but might be dr sticks too

[ashen spindle]

given it's on multiple boards and he used the same version as other reviewers, it's not a corrupt bios, it's either bios, or something in the bios in regards to DR that amd didn't catch is my guess

ofc there are million other things it could be, could just be an issue in his cpu, but I think that's something worth watching out for

[ashen spindle]

LOL apparently caseking (one of the bigger retailers in germany) only had a total of 10 5950x for release

[reef patrol]

Yikes.

[ashen spindle]

guess its like the 3950x, top end is a bit harder to get

200 for the 5600x

[pale sigil]

200?

[ashen spindle]

now they aren't the size of mindfactory

but the relation means you should have a decent chance to get one, as long as you dont want the 5950x lul

at least unlike the 10900k it's not a binning issue so it wont be quasi-cancelled lmao

[zenith sonnet]

Any idea why Mindfactory might have unlisted the 5000 series CPUs again?

They seem to have had 1170 5800's and 850 5600's, though

[fickle ore]

more 5800's than 5600? weird

[ashen spindle]

? what no

[cursive summit]

Germany ain't broke unlike the other half of Europe

[ashen spindle]

200 for the 5600x and 140 for the 5800x apparently

[fickle ore]

lmk if they find out the root cause for that Quin

[ashen spindle]

yea I expect igor to have an update tomorrow or on the weekend whenever he gets his other two cpus in

[vagrant marsh]

@cursive summit more specifically, the southern half of europe

[zenith sonnet]

Alternate relisted the 5950X

With a higher price

[vagrant marsh]

they did?

the fuckers

its seriously rediculous. amd cpu is better, but out of stock. so even then, it doesnt matter its better than the intel 10th gen, cause nobody can enjoy it anyways.

[pale sigil]

i mean

you say that

but

its not like they didn't have much stock, unless you mean the 5950x

[ashen spindle]

"out of stock" for a day on launch sure,

[pale sigil]

was gonna say

xD

[ashen spindle]

intel made a new cpu because they couldnt make the 10900k at any realistic ammounts

[vagrant marsh]

out of stock with me being 387th in line. ive just checked

[ashen spindle]

yeah so worst case it's end of the month you have it, unlike the 10900k that was so low stock that they made the 10850k

[pale sigil]

i wish i knew were i was

in line

[ashen spindle]

why, its not like you know how much stock they get next

[pale sigil]

would it make you mad

if i told you my friend got 2 3950xs

not you

@vagrant marsh

[vagrant marsh]

i dont care aboot the 3000 series. got a 3600. which is working fine after an RMA.

i want that sweet 5900

both 3950 and 5950 would be a niche market. the 3950 was hardly any better than a 3700x in gaming, so obviously its main use wouldnt be that

[pale sigil]

oops

i went full retard

i meant 5950x

[vagrant marsh]

well, then fuck him

[pale sigil]

He

[vagrant marsh]

but i dont care about the 5950 either way. too expensive. i still agree to the price of the 5900

[pale sigil]

is trying to cancel one

[vagrant marsh]

i also placed 2 orders now

however, 1 of them is confirming it would be a 2021 delivery so im cancelling that one and trying another webshop

[zenith sonnet]

I'd take a 5800X over a 5900X

It has a better binned chiplet

[vagrant marsh]

binned?

Here’s a simplified example. Intel has standards for performance, power management and thermal output for its Core i5 CPUs. If a CPU fails to meet those standards, Intel will bin it as an i3 processor instead. However, since Core i5 processors have four cores and i3 processors have two, Intel will disable two (likely defective) cores on the processor in order to sell it as a two-core processor. Thus, it’s possible your desktop’s i3 processor was meant to be an i5 but failed to meet performance standards, so Intel disabled two of its cores to turn it into an i3.

[reef tundra]

the entire processor family is binned

[vagrant marsh]

so...a 5800 is a failed 5900?

[ashen spindle]

????? no

[reef tundra]

yes

[ashen spindle]

no

[reef tundra]

semiconductors are unlikely to form correctly

[ashen spindle]

please take a look at what those products are first

[fickle ore]

5800 and 5950 are failed TR's

[ashen spindle]

I'd say failed epycs for the most part, but yes, thats more accurate

[fickle ore]

5800's are not failed 5950's I dont think tho

or idk

[ashen spindle]

in general they make the CCD's and test them

[fickle ore]

apprently 5950 has 1 good and other whatever quality

[ashen spindle]

ehh, too early to say that for certain

[fickle ore]

any ideas how I could sell far cry 6 that comes with the cpu?

also do you think 16gb of ram is enough?

[reef patrol]

Depends on whether or not the license is locked to the CPU during activation like nVidia sometimes do.

I'd just sell it on Facebook or to a friend.

And help them activate it.

[fickle ore]

Alright

I'm not really interested in Far Cries

[reef tundra]

fat cries

[reef patrol]

Won't be hard to sell it I'm sure.

[tender sparrow]

I'd buy it

[fickle ore]

Really? I'll hook you up when I get the cpu.

@ashen spindle https://www.computerbase.de/2020-11/amd-ryzen-5000-test/

SOTTR here

[vagrant marsh]

its a far cry from help

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-csi-miami-glasses-sunglasses-horatio-caine-gif-14033607

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

and it is DR apparently

well there goes my theory

well, maybe he got a dud then

[fickle ore]

did they say they use dual rank memory?

[ashen spindle]

not directly but I was able to read the sticker on the picture of the setup

16gb sticks

[fickle ore]

ah

idk those benches are odd

5800x losing to 5600x, like yeah right!

ok time to play valorant 1k fps breached

[reef patrol]

😆

[ashen spindle]

lmao I've had 1k breached in tf2 once

source engine above 1k is buggy lul

[fickle ore]

WHO NEEDS FRAMERATE INDEPENDANT INPUT ANYMORE THO

OR DIABOTICAL INPUT

COZ

just bruteforce with RYZEN, framerate printer go BRRRRRRRRRRRR

[reef tundra]

cus consistancy

[harsh terrace]

How the fuck does one get the FIRST KEY of a VALUE in a Lua array

Like fucking simple ass equivalent of myArray.indexOf(whateverTheFuckValue) of JavaScript

[crimson wigeon]

Just do a bog standard for loop through the array until you find the first element matching your criteria? idk never touched looah

[harsh terrace]

yeah fuck that I converted my table to be value = value

[ashen spindle]

ok twitch can go fuck themselves
having adblock active now limits any stream, even the ones I'm subbed to, to 480p 🙂

[reef tundra]

calls for an adblock block blocker

[true quest]

pic?

are you on private window or regular one

[ashen spindle]

? regular of course

adblock doesnt work in private

idk what you want to see there

[reef patrol]

Works fine here.

However getting adblocking to work was... work

[ashen spindle]

I turn ublock off, I get 1080 p options 🙂

[true quest]

works most of the time for me

90% id say

[reef patrol]

Adblock Origin dev build. Do the user resource stuff. Reboot browser. Pesto!

[ashen spindle]

nope, they are then pushing in midroll stuff for you then if you are unlucky

[reef patrol]

nevermind - They re-blocked it.

[ashen spindle]

till that's changed I'll stick to watching only who I'm subbed to, so good job twitch, no chance I find another streamer and might sub to them

their loss, not mine

[true quest]

watching shroud on pv and many are complaining about it lmao

[ashen spindle]

The amount of money I gave twitch is more than they would’ve made if they would only take ad money by at least 10x so I’m not willing to watch any of that shit 🙂

[urban lynx]

anyone in here know WHY. THE. FLIP. stupid netflix only ever shows a damn black screen when trying to watch anything on my bloody phone???
IT'S LIKE THAT FOR A YEAR NOW

[ashen spindle]

battery empty?

[urban lynx]

fuck off.

[ashen spindle]

idk, dont have netflix so my best bet would be googling if your phone model has some compatibility issues due to netflix not liking some security stuff

[urban lynx]

it worked at first though 🤔

and this "picture in picture" works too

like thaT actually shows video

just fullscreen does fucking not.

[ashen spindle]

ah hm, that's weird

[urban lynx]

and i do get sound btw.

[ashen spindle]

my only other guess, just for netflix or same issue with youtube or other videos?

[urban lynx]

only netflix

my mind is telling me this happened because of something i did.
but i dont know WHAT i could have possibly done to cause this

[ashen spindle]

well I guess you could try resetting the phone but that usually is quite annoying to deal with

[urban lynx]

i tried it all.
restarting, resetting, reinstalling

idk

i'm just pissed at this.

i'm pissed at a lot of things though

i do sometimes see the first few moments of something on screen at the start

but it quickly goes and stays black

[urban lynx]

nevermind

i fixed it.

stupid android certificate bullshit stuff

yes. i have anger issues apparently.

[ashen spindle]

Well at least it works again

[urban lynx]

well apart it locks screen brightness on max...
yeah

[reef tundra]

dont use netflix, ex fix

[urban lynx]

how about i just stop living?
cause that also only ever brings issues.

[zenith sonnet]

@ashen spindle Having issues with Twitch too this past week. Ads have become unbearable

Seriously, I think Twitch Prime should include Turbo, not a free sub that's nearly useless

[reef tundra]

but that would cost more

[neat oriole]

Please someone make a competitor to twitch

[true quest]

there have been a few, unfortunately not competitive enough

[zenith sonnet]

I still don't understand Microsoft shutting down Mixer
But Twitch is only better than the competition so long as they have competition, eh?

[wheat plume]

F L U E N T

[true quest]

is this tablet mode

[wheat plume]

no

[reef tundra]

microsoft and design are two differend axis

[wheat plume]

:')

[misty pier]

well, I cleared cookies, used the internal adblocker on my browser and its all good

no more 480p

[wheat plume]

headphones made from weed https://youtu.be/hEVBZ_Osr0I

sold for $420

[neat oriole]

Dankpds

[wheat plume]

:')

[neat oriole]

He’s entertaining but I wouldn’t follow him for audio advice

[wheat plume]

why not?

[neat oriole]

He seems to be a bit...confused? A lot of the things he’s describing don’t make too much sense. It could be that he just doesn’t know the lingo, but then sometimes what he’s describing doesn’t really line up with my experiences or general consensus. He’s more of a bro reviewer if that makes sense. That said he’s far from being the worst.

There are a couple of reviewers out there who are a lot more technical and informative but obviously less entertaining

His iPod and nugget videos are pretty fun

[old marlin]

he doesn't claim to be anything like a review channel etc

ig it is a good entry point

[neat oriole]

Better than Zeos

[fickle ore]

Anyone know if you are supposed to leave it like this after LM apply? or remove it after you've applied the LM paste

[reef patrol]

Remove xD

[ashen spindle]

LM on gpu

[fickle ore]

@reef patrol xD

keep hearing about high temps on 5800x so I'm just gonna LM it

[ashen spindle]

wait you want to put LM on top of your cpu?

[fickle ore]

yep

[ashen spindle]

That uhhh is not really effective

[fickle ore]

its a few degrees

[ashen spindle]

Ehhh unlikely, lapping it and having good paste should be better and less risks

[fickle ore]

Some ppl are reporting like 85'c under load with the 5800x vs 70's with 5600x

[ashen spindle]

Well yeah, it’s a 35(?)W higher TDP

[fickle ore]

yeah ik, I just wanna minimize that

[ashen spindle]

Meh, imo if you don’t delid it, LM doesn’t really make sense for CPU’s

[fickle ore]

arent ryzen's soldered anyway

[ashen spindle]

Yes

That’s why I don’t think LM makes sense xD

[fickle ore]

yeah I won't do it at first, I'll check what my temps are ofc

kryonaut still best I take it?

[ashen spindle]

Uhh air/watercool I assume?

[fickle ore]

I'll do either NH-D15 or NH-U12S with 2 fans I guess

[ashen spindle]

honestly, I think the noctua paste itself is close to the bests for daily usage

[fickle ore]

may be, but I don't mind paying 7€ for kryonaut

[ashen spindle]

I guess technically conductonaut is better for >0C cooling emthods but only barely

and again, all the potential issue with metal

[fair gull]

i dont give a shit personally

lol

[old marlin]

@fickle ore DON'T use LM for air coolers

unless you like amalgam finstacks

[reef patrol]

Gesundheit

[ashen spindle]

Danke

[fair gull]

Bitte

[fickle ore]

I dont think LM have mercury content?

[reef patrol]

Air coolers without a full surface copper bottom would be... not fun. Alu and LM are.... ahem

[fickle ore]

yeah for sure, but nickel plated copper bottom (NH-D15) would be fine

most topend aircoolers have copper bottom anyways

[reef patrol]

Top end, yes. But not all. 🙂

[old marlin]

they have gallium content

[reef patrol]

I've seen plenty with only the core being copper (meaning alu around it, which LM can seep into) or not at all with cheap ones.

Buyer beware for sure 😄

[old marlin]

if even a tiny bit touches the finstack the cooler is dead

and I haven't seen big temperature differences

like 1-2 degree at the absolute max

[reef patrol]

The problem is that the IHS is messing up heat transfer.

[old marlin]

yea

[reef patrol]

As long as it has regular thermal paste and the IHS is there, the LM can't really do much

[fickle ore]

Yeah seems like 1.5'c from the reviews I've read, probably not worth.... Will see for 5800x hotspot

[old marlin]

do we know ho it looks internnally?

I am guessing similar to last gen?

[ashen spindle]

yup

[old marlin]

with 1 IF chip and 2 chiplets

well yea hotspot will be similar then

[ashen spindle]

same chip, replace CCD dies

[old marlin]

but more extreme probably

[fickle ore]

iirc it was 82mm now vs 79mm zen 2

so slightly larger

[old marlin]

rip hyper 212 users

[ashen spindle]

the biggest difference for heat is that the L3 cache is now shared and and thus the cores are all a bit closer so we have 1 or 2 spots that are heat right next to each other instead of a slight divider between them

[fickle ore]

deepcool assassin III a few degrees better than NH-D15 but louder by a lot Ithink

[old marlin]

by the time I will get a desktop again we will have the next gen D15

almost 100% certain that I will get it

[fickle ore]

yeah

[ashen spindle]

it's the same but a tint more brown in the finstack, the brown is the secret noctua power

[old marlin]

I mean

if it is anything like the improvement of the NH-U12S

it will probably destroy 240mm AIOs

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/01EhbmJAW-k

Good god this is just.. a massacre

[ashen spindle]

9. But Robert, where is undervolting? Answer: IT’S GONE. j/k. Temporarily gone for 5000 series. It’ll be back in an upcoming AGESA with new functionality. 😉 It’s gonna be HYPE.

per CCD undervolting perhaps?

[reef tundra]

undervolting is always an option wheter the cpu likes it or not

[ashen spindle]

bit difficult if reducing it doesnt reduce it though

[reef tundra]

The psu can change that equation. unless it has some internal boost/buck converter

[ashen spindle]

Yes sure, if you want to hardmod your power delivery you can do whatever you want

[reef tundra]

Some cpu's have their own power delivery systems tho

mostly to manage better with brownouts and blackouts

[halcyon moss]

i know for a fact that on my laptop undervolting greatly improves performance and fan noise

[ashen spindle]

it appears to not be there or not work atm bc they are changing stuff on it

and the only thing I can imagine is have it be per-CCD voltage

[pale sigil]

Thought it would be worse ngl

[wheat plume]

o

[cursive summit]

I am confused by that choice of phone background image

[pale sigil]

It's not me pgome

Phone

Remoting in

[wheat plume]

o

[pale sigil]

ngl

i miss wireless charging

[elder jackal]

i want wireless back

[scenic wind]

whoa that's cool artwork

[vagrant marsh]

Yea. Really hot

[zenith sonnet]

Anyone seen the new Oppo watch?

Is it interesting?

[vagrant marsh]

Is any watch interesting that does less than a smartphone with even less charge,

[zenith sonnet]

It does more than smartphones

[vagrant marsh]

Really? What does it do a smartphone doesnt do

[zenith sonnet]

It has full fitness armband capabilities

[vagrant marsh]

Fitness

[zenith sonnet]

I still dunno what point you're trying to make, though

It's not a replacement for a phone

[zenith sonnet]

I like this

I was not, however, expecting the 5900X to clock higher than the 5800X in 1T loads

[cursive summit]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/A14X-Bionic-gets-alleged-benchmark-outperforms-the-Intel-Core-i9-9880H.502425.0.html

[vagrant marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x2BYNimNOU

again, the 800 series being a useless in between

[thick elk]

The 800 cpu's depends on games moving to fully use 8 cores but generally it should be priced a bit further from the 12 core.

[fickle ore]

its not useless, but benches aren't showing the games where it pulls ahead.

[vagrant marsh]

the fps increase doesnt justify the price increase

[fickle ore]

....

[ashen spindle]

it's not useless, but you have very limited cases where the performance goes up relative to the extra cost

[fickle ore]

@vagrant marsh do you even read

[cursive summit]

No one talking about A14X matching 9880H?

[vagrant marsh]

do you even live?

[ashen spindle]

no because apple chips boring

[fickle ore]

buy what you need for your usecase, dont parrot what a reviewer says with 4-5 games benched in SP/bench scenario

[vagrant marsh]

but i love to parrot

[ashen spindle]

I've noticed

[vagrant marsh]

ive noticed

[reef patrol]

its not useless, but benches aren't showing the games where it pulls ahead.
@fickle ore Such as?

I'd say Civ VI and... Was it Tomb Raider? are the games that ARE affected. And they were shown.

The 5800X makes sense longterm - But not really at the price it has.

Aww yiss! 5600X just shipped.

[ashen spindle]

oh didn't think youd go with that card over an 3080

[reef tundra]

But wait there is more.

[reef patrol]

That's a CPU Quint xD

But I did cancel my non-existant 3080 and am betting on 6800X

[ashen spindle]

yes I know :p

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

but the 5600 and 5600XT are gpus, thats also part of why we didn't see non-x cpus I bet

[crisp granite]

@reef patrol so you're gonna rock a r5 5600X and RX 6800XT for the next few years?

[reef patrol]

Hopefully.

[crisp granite]

nice

[reef patrol]

Just need the GPU to re-build the loop in my new case.

So... two weeks.

[crisp granite]

imagine if the RX 6000 cards had bad supply too

that would suck

big time

no new gpus

[reef patrol]

I don't think AMD could ever manage to have THAT bad supply even if they tried. nVidia really done goofed xD

But I'm sure they will go fast.

Because people didn't get nVidia cards and might be desperate.

[crisp granite]

where I am, RTX 2000 and RX 5000 cards are way more expensive than buying a new RTX 3000 or RX 6000 card

most in my area can't get a damn gpu at all

or one at a fair price

except for all those RX 570's

[reef patrol]

Not sure if I'll try to sell my 2080 or just upgrade wife's PC from her 1660TI...which she doesn't need to begin with.

Card has lost value so fast. And the AMD cards probably won't help 😄

[crisp granite]

yup

also

I need some advice

[hard thicket]

the naming sheme really messed up lately

[reef patrol]

Don't bet on red.

[crisp granite]

do any of the 2 slot 3080's have waterblocks stock?

cuz I'm planning something special with something I ordered for a stupid sum of money

[ashen spindle]

uhh what exactly do you mean, if there are waterblocks for the 3080 or if there are models that come with one and are under 2 slot?

[crisp granite]

models with waterblocks stock

[ashen spindle]

there are some yes

[reef patrol]

For the back mounts I assume?

So you don't have a 3slot with a waterblock*

[ashen spindle]

AORUS XTREME WaterForce

[reef patrol]

FE is 2slot but has the rather unique water fitting placement.

[ashen spindle]

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2020/10/GIGABYTE-GeForce-RTX-3080-10GB-AORUS-XTREME-WATERFORCE-WB-GV-N3080AORUSX-WB-10GD8.jpg

[crisp granite]

perfect

[zenith sonnet]

Uhhh

[reef patrol]

I think most cards are 2 slotters? And with blocks on are thinner than that.

[zenith sonnet]

Is it equal to an EK block, though?

[ashen spindle]

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2020/10/ASUS-GeForce-RTX-3090-EK-2b.jpg there is also this from asus

[reef patrol]

EK makes a pre-blocked TUF...yeah that one.

[crisp granite]

woah

a one slot 3090

bruh

[reef patrol]

Might actually be remotely possible to buy as well, since it won't be super popular outside of WC.

...well at all xD

[ashen spindle]

yeah will also cost a ton more lmao

[zenith sonnet]

The Aorus looks great

[crisp granite]

it'll be in a sealed case, looks don't matter

[reef patrol]

yeah will also cost a ton more lmao
@ashen spindle I mean the blocks aren't cheap by themselves. But you probably won't see a discount from not having the air cooler, no.

210€ for block and backplate for most 3080 models.

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah, it will cost more than buying a block and a FE model for sure

bc pre-assemble premium

[reef patrol]

But as Linus pointed out - New SKUs (especially the weirder premium ones) are more likely to be possible to buy than the low-profit ones like ASUS TUF or FE.

[crisp granite]

yeah

[reef patrol]

And the one slot aspect is pretty cool.

[crisp granite]

I could theoretically run two of them in SLI in a 2 slot form factor

[hard thicket]

i want the FE block from EK so badly

[crisp granite]

if I had $6000 CAD to spare

which I don't

[hard thicket]

it's the best thing i've seen so far

[ashen spindle]

except SLI is dead :p

[crisp granite]

true

[hard thicket]

not in workstation

[ashen spindle]

no sli is dead

nvlink is not sli

[hard thicket]

shhhh

its the same

nvidia even called it

just improved

[crisp granite]

SLI "just works"

[reef patrol]

Technically it's SLI - OVER NVLINK 😄

[crisp granite]

ey

[hard thicket]

pretty much

listed on ek's site

which gpu is that..?

[ashen spindle]

3080/90

FE PCB

[crisp granite]

that fe block

[reef patrol]

Clever

[crisp granite]

would be perfect-er

[hard thicket]

thought the FE PCB has a V shape

that doesnt look like a v shape in the model

[ashen spindle]

pretty sure its just a render before they had exact stuff

[crisp granite]

awesome

[hard thicket]

it aint 3090

since the nvlink is also missing

[crisp granite]

my local canada computers has a 3080 in stock

[hard thicket]

can it be that its the 3070

[crisp granite]

is a 3080 worth it over a 3070?

[hard thicket]

its for the 3070

[ashen spindle]

idk, depends on your resolution, what you want for fps etc.

[hard thicket]

for sure

[crisp granite]

at 1080P, 144 hz, rtx and all that stuff

[true quest]

id say yea

[crisp granite]

cranked settings

[true quest]

up to 144p

[ashen spindle]

look at reviews and decide what you want

[true quest]

1440p

[crisp granite]

I'm getting it

thanks comrades

[hard thicket]

the 3080 scales more at higher resolutions

[fair gull]

nvlink is not sli just sayin

[hard thicket]

if you plan to stick with 1080p for a while, it makes more sense to focus on the cpu

[crisp granite]

I'm sure I'll be GPU bound with the games I play

[hard thicket]

it's for sure also gpu bound, but just saying the 3080 is primarily for 1440p and above

[fair gull]

is recommend a pentium gold and a gt720

ultimate combo

[hard thicket]

also why the hell are you at 1080p 144hz

its 2020

jesus christ

[fair gull]

im at 1080p 60hz

[crisp granite]

it's 2020, I want to play minecraft with RTX at 144hz

I know that's not happening

but 120 hz is still pretty good

[fair gull]

i wanna code at 144hz

8k ultra high res coding

[crisp granite]

@hard thicket I've never noticed a difference at higher resolutions

so I'll probably stick with 1080p till no game supports it, then move up to a higher resolution display

[hard thicket]

not even 1080p and 4K ?

[crisp granite]

nope

[hard thicket]

what the hell

[crisp granite]

actually

[ashen spindle]

uhhh I would have your eyes checked

[crisp granite]

I did notice one difference

my wallet was much lighter with a 4k monitor

[hard thicket]

just alone from the PPI

the difference is huge

[crisp granite]

I use a 23 inch display at 1080p

the ppi is high with this one

https://www.amazon.ca/MSI-Non-Glare-Super-Narrow-Bezel/dp/B083K17XLH

[hard thicket]

how far are you sitting from your monitor ?

[crisp granite]

solid half metre to metre away

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/buoMy9vfYC.png

hell yeah

[crisp granite]

slaps hood of monitor, "this baby can fit so many lines of code"

[fair gull]

apparently vsc doesnt like doing 3.8k x 2.1k

or DSR fucked it

[fickle ore]

@reef patrol some mmorpgs and shooters and couple other SP games that scale beyond 16+ threads.. There was one popular game awhile, which scaled for 24 threads+ but I forgot the name of it

[fair gull]

i dont want to spend 5k on a monitor thx

[reef patrol]

[hard thicket]

i reached my endgame already with the 49 inch super ultrawide

[crisp granite]

that's why I game at 1080p

cheap monitors

[hard thicket]

my whole vision is filled with screen

[fair gull]

why tho

[hard thicket]

immersion

[fickle ore]

wtf was the name of the game, annoying

[hard thicket]

screenspace

[fair gull]

i mean i did think about having a monitor that basically combines both my 24" monitors

[hard thicket]

thats exactly that

[fair gull]

thats more than 2 24" monitors

[hard thicket]

thats two 32"

[fair gull]

ya see

way too big

[hard thicket]

at 5120x1440p

at a certain distance away from it, it's totally fine

[fair gull]

ideally a monitor that takes 2 hdmi cables and acts like 2 monitors

just without bezel

[hard thicket]

i had a triple 24" screen setup befor this and must say, glad that i got rid of it

a single screen replaced all three

instead of adjusting each one and managing the cables

all i need is one arm, two cables (1 usb 3.2 with a hub build into the monitor)

[sly needle]

laughs in VR

[fair gull]

didnt linus have a monitor that was able to take multiple hdmi inputs

and display all of them

[sly needle]

jk, i prefer VR over triples when it comes to racing nwn

[hard thicket]

it was the 8K monitor from dell

[fair gull]

not ultrawide was it

[hard thicket]

it can have up to 4 inputs

it costs a shit ton

[fair gull]

i wouldnt even care about cost if its an ultrawide that could do like 2 inputs at the same time

cause the lg software crap sucks ass

[hard thicket]

mine can do 2 inputs as far as i know

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-ultrasharp-32-8k-monitor-up3218k/apd/210-alez/monitors-monitor-accessories

casually 4 grands

[fair gull]

can all the ultrasharp monitors do this?

[hard thicket]

dont think so

[fair gull]

apparently what i want is called PBP

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle do you remember the game a couple month back I prob linked here that showed increase for increasing thread count up to 24-32 threads?

[fair gull]

Picture By Picture

and there is a dell ultrawide that can do it

[ashen spindle]

uhhhhhh

cant remember

but that sounds more like some scientific than realistic for most cases

you can only split stuff up so much

[fickle ore]

No it was a game, there was mention how that in-house engine is so well threaded... So a big game company

ffs :<

[ashen spindle]

yeah no cant remember it

[hard thicket]

a game that scales with 32 threads... ?

[ashen spindle]

death stranding maybe?

well no, it does use multicore but not taht much

[fair gull]

i found it

DELL U4919DW 124.5 cm (49 Inch) Monitor 5120 x 1440 pixels
it can do PBP to split into to full 1440p screens
only 1.2k

[fickle ore]

YE

ty quin

@reef patrol nerd

[ashen spindle]

ehhhh huge asterisk, that is most likely 720p

[hard thicket]

holy shit

[reef patrol]

50FPS ain't nothing to scoff at. Buuuuut that

IS a lot of money for thsoe 50FPS 😄

[hard thicket]

@fair gull the CRG9 costs the same

has HDR 1000, and 120hz

[fair gull]

can it to PBP tho

idc about hz

[hard thicket]

yes

[fair gull]

or HDR

[hard thicket]

still better in everyway, yet the same price

or cheaper, it goes for 1K nowdays

[true quest]

https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1324740826988204033

IndieWire (@IndieWire)

Can’t Decide What to Stream? Netflix Is Testing a TV Channel of Scheduled Programming https://t.co/byTnSDSSEZ

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Twitter · Nov 6, 2020, 3:50 PM

[fair gull]

that OSD

looks so aids

on the CRG9

lol

[hard thicket]

most OSD's look aids

how often do you look at lets be real

[fair gull]

bruh

this is actual aids

like

why

[crimson wigeon]

GAMER aesthetic

[true quest]

that is the osd?

[fair gull]

yes

[true quest]

looks more like the software ui

[fair gull]

na its def the OSD

[true quest]

my condolences

[hard thicket]

it is the OSD

[fair gull]

its a "gaming" monitor

ngl

i will get the dell

just cause of the OSD

[hard thicket]

lmao

well your decision

[fair gull]

unless theres some way to make it more normal

[true quest]

what about your gpu how's that one looking

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah is there like CFW for monitors

[fair gull]

i have a 2080ti

psure it can do it

[true quest]

does it have osd

[fair gull]

it has OCD

it needs to really accurately sort pixels for some reason

[misty pier]

yeah the samsung osd looks ugly as hell

[fair gull]

does the monitor have OSD software for windows?

thats not aids

[fair gull]

so MSI doesnt stand for Mega Super Ingrowth

[zenith sonnet]

What's this error?

[reef patrol]

USB hub issues?

Sounds like either low power or low bandwidth?

[zenith sonnet]

Don't use one

Haven't changed any USB devices

Well, whatever

[reef patrol]

Only other guess is a USB port glitch/dirt/worn contact or something.

[zenith sonnet]

Weird

Maybe a glitch

[fair gull]

oh

that one

need to buy a new pc

sorry to tell u

but the basic gist of the error is that there are too many endpoints connected to the controller/port

[ashen spindle]

@fickle ore it looks like igor just got unlucky and its an issue with his cpu

so maybe SOTTR uses one instruction that the other games dont use and thus dont show the behavior on the cpu or something

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle aight

smth like this is weird too

why is 5900x/5950x only few watts more? doesn't make sense

[ashen spindle]

uhh no not really

[fickle ore]

5950x's is 2x 5800x basically

[ashen spindle]

if you compare it with anandtechs data, they got the same result

been the same for zen2 aswell

[fickle ore]

How tho?

how can you run 16 cores with same wattage as 8 core

that 7w diff is prob that 100mhz higher boost

[ashen spindle]

different boost clocks

[fickle ore]

you mean the 5950/5900 boosts lower? theyve been shown to boost 100mhz higher

[ashen spindle]

not all core

[fickle ore]

oh

16x 4,5 ghz vs 8x 4,8ghz == same watt?

[fair gull]

psure theres a bit more going on in how the wattage comes together

[fickle ore]

waits its only 175* mhz all core boost diff

[ashen spindle]

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15044/3970X Power Table.png this is the 32 core threadripper

all cores loaded, they draw 2-9 watt each

[fickle ore]

so weird

[ashen spindle]

thats why under stock settings you see higher powerdraw when you dont use all cores

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16214/PerCore-1-5950X-Total_575px.png

[fickle ore]

Why?

[ashen spindle]

at more cores you need to be stricter with the frequency, or else powerspikes become bigger and you could exceed the limit

[fickle ore]

hmh

[ashen spindle]

thats why a 5950x will boost to almost the same values as a 5900x, if you feed them a 12 core workload

[fickle ore]

Yeah I don't really mind but seeing like 10'c-15'c higher temps got me worried for longevity (10yrs)

maybe return for a 5600x, dunno

[ashen spindle]

that wont matter

[fickle ore]

coz?

[ashen spindle]

you're still well below the maximum, the maximum needs to be rated at constant use at that temp, and the uhhh, let's call it heat/destruction curve is exponential, so anything below maximum and not constant usage makes it life a lot longer

[fair gull]

was about to say the DeltaT(Max) is usually not chosen randomly

[fickle ore]

Yeah but what is maximum here? Like 88? ppl been showing 85c's

havent checked maximum recommended temps yet hehe

[fair gull]

https://discordjs.moe/5ElsUNdMWs.png

95°C

[ashen spindle]

think it was 95C for zen2

ye should be the same since its the same node and all

[fair gull]

ya

and if u reach that constantly u will need to worry

i doubt ull hit that tho

[fickle ore]

Doubt I will tbh, my ambients are like 18-19c and better cooler/case than most reviewers have done, unless they benched in open bench

[ashen spindle]

yeah so that should be no issue

[fickle ore]

hoping for less leaky cpu I guess

[ashen spindle]

you can always try that cool undervolting feature they mention to be there soon

https://twitter.com/Thracks/status/1324574790032756736

Robert Hallock🌹 (@Thracks)

9. But Robert, where is undervolting? Answer: IT'S GONE. j/k. Temporarily gone for 5000 series. It'll be back in an upcoming AGESA with new functionality. ;) It's gonna be HYPE. Y'aint never seen undervolting quite like this.

"CAN YOU TELL ME MORE?" No. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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[fickle ore]

tinkering should be good fun

[fair gull]

if undervolting doesnt come back just use LN2 for cooling

easy

[hard thicket]

with zen 2 there is a trick where you set up over ryzen master an manual OC, with the maximum frequency each core or CCX should have, including the MAX possible vcore you set it to, that way the CPU behaved like in stock form, and at a given load it boosted up to the given frequency

the good thing was, you got rid of the annoyance of the 1.5v overshoot which the stock/PBO has even under Idle conditions

you can shove up like 20/30W of the cpu that way, get more performance than before and calm down the temperature spikes a little

makes me wonder if it's gonna work on zen 3 too

or it's already that well optimized in stock form, which is a possibility

[ashen spindle]

from what I read, I dont think that is working/needed on zen3

[hard thicket]

i also assume that, considering how un polished zen 2 was

[zenith sonnet]

God, I'm curious what's yet to come

AGESA updates promised, SAM coming, ...

[hard thicket]

still have mixed feelings about SAM

[ashen spindle]

I just want to know if it is a boost in general or only in cpu/gpu bound scenarios

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle WHY ARE THERE FUCK ALL MATX X570s

[ashen spindle]

huh

its not full feature and its not the smalles one either, ofc its not the most popular

[pale sigil]

there;s only one

😦

[ashen spindle]

also why x570, have you looked at b550?

[pale sigil]

b550 better?

[hard thicket]

not better

all you dont have are less pcie4 lanes

thats it

lol

[ashen spindle]

yea and I doubt you need a lot of pcie4

so from $ perspective it's probably better