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pale sigil
ashen spindle
look, forget about the rtx3080/90 launch
then you wouldnt even consider stock issues
pale sigil
That ain’t easy XD
ashen spindle
no just get into your brain that a gpu is not a cpu
pale sigil
That’s not it really
ashen spindle
no for the most parts thats it
pale sigil
This year is pretty much insane when it comes to gaming hardware more than ever
Lots of people are still stuck at home, gaming is at an all time high too.
Leaps keep being made etc
ashen spindle
yes and the node they are using has an insanely good yield, they are using the same as for zen2, they have been makin stock for a while now
old marlin
they can't prepare much if they just don't get stock
ashen spindle
again, a cpu is quite a lot smaller than a gpu, you have higher yields and more cpus you can get from a single wafer, they also have bigger margin on it so even from a financial point it makes more sense to have more stock of zen3
then again math doesn't seem to be a valid point here quite often
pale sigil
Fair enough and you are right
And the main reason I have been jumping on both sides of the line constantly
I’m also worried about price increasing
Here in the UK at least they keep increasing the prices every x amount sold
It’s so bad
pale sigil
They seem to get away with it even though there’s proof of it
The GPU market gets it worse
ashen spindle
tbf, gpu msrp only is valid for stock reference designs
and intel never lists msrp
fair gull
intel has stock gpus?
pale sigil
XD
ashen spindle
they just list what you pay for each in cpu in orders of 1000 pieces
zenith sonnet
I wish reviewers would use actual prices for their price/perf numbers
Most use MSRP, but that often is much different from retail prices
wheat plume
I thought it was 20?
wheat plume
O
wheat plume
Wtf ;;_
I went to reboot and this happen
It's all low res and things
No updates either happened
pale sigil
Lana your new name is illegal
wheat plume
Why?
wheat plume
oof
ashen spindle
pretty bold to assume more than 1 went up on the site
pale sigil
ashen spindle
yeah see, no mention of quantity, might just be one :p
zenith sonnet
Lol
pale sigil
when you add to the basket
zenith sonnet
Weren't they supposed to be ~700-720€?
pale sigil
MSRP
ashen spindle
well, lets hope a person and not a scalper could get it
@reef patrol missed his chance to get one at msrp 
ashen spindle
lower power area nvidia might be the better option vs rdna2 depending on price structure
as there they dont need g6x
and can save on some money costs and power draw
btw @pale sigil https://images.anandtech.com/doci/15381/best3-2awm.jpg thats the die size for an 8 core chiplet
76mm^2
take a guess what the size for a 3080 chip is
pale sigil
^
ashen spindle
@pale sigil since you dont want to guess, it's 628mm^2 for a 3080
no do the math for how many cpus they could make in that space
and now think again if cpu shortage sounds realistic
ashen spindle
part of it yeah
but with the 70 shortage its clear thats not the only reason
as that uses regular g6
ashen spindle
but from what we heard, g6x shortage is why they cancelled the 16/20gb skus
old marlin
if they run into problems now AMD might win in the long run just by not messing up
ashen spindle
yup, thats why im crossing fingers that drivers will be good enough
old marlin
like this gen barely was an efficiency increase
and they can't just keep on ramping up the power target
ashen spindle
I think parts of that comes from this being just a transition gen
old marlin
could be
ashen spindle
hopper/rdna3 are both multi chip
old marlin
well
AMD got some experience with those already
the "infinity fabric" will be the deciding factor
reef patrol
@reef patrol missed his chance to get one at msrp :rooKek:
@ashen spindle I mean technically no.
I got my TUF at FE MSRP.
ashen spindle
at msrp for the card I meant :p
reef patrol
But I did cancel the order yesterday. 
Since... A cheap card is no good if they can't deliverm
reef patrol
Less than 60 cards delivered since release and over a thousand cards ordered.
You do the math. Gonna bet on the 6800XT
reef patrol
Brb...just finished taking apart loop and cleaning parts. Gonna put together a temp PC on my testbench real fast.
crisp granite
watercooling
whatever happened to heatpipes and cooling fins?
also
good thing happened
I dropped by my local canada computers
and I put in a in-store backorder for an Asus RTX 3070 Dual
so when they get new stock, I get to buy one before they hit shelves
better than nothing
they said they would probably get new stock before December
ashen spindle
Who?
pale sigil
nvidia
ashen spindle
Yes
reef patrol
The important part 😄
ashen spindle
ehhh hard to say
depending on how severe the g6x shortage is, even tsmc might not have worked out
reef patrol
Didn't AMD have a huge advantage since apple stopped using TSMC or something? Due to switching to ARM.
So they could ramp up production.
halcyon moss
isnt apple using tsmc to make their arm chips?
reef patrol
Guess I was wrong then xD
ashen spindle
but the equipment they are using is shared to some degree
and huawei got a lot of orders in before they were forced to be kicked out
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_7QSO6AxHw
Blasting chiptunes while I stress test my GPU. Want to make sure I put it back together properly xD
wheat plume
How do I describe Code Smells in a way that is not copying what Wikipedia says?
cause we cant use that as a reference
wheat plume
Yes, since a week
well, 3rd day since a week
We never needed to do referencing before because this is the first formal report we need to do
zenith sonnet
You can use the article as reference, and maybe even rewrite it with the same content. But the sources are at the bottom
Check them before quoting them, though
wheat plume
I can't quantify exactly what I don't like about your code. And I can't be bothered to explain this to a plebian like yourself. But I don't like it. So I'm just gonna dismiss it with the all-encompassing label of "code smell".
LOL, I love dev.to
oh....
but default font is so pixelated :/
this one is actually pretty
see, less pixels
I tried that, it just shows you a bunch of fonts and asks you to pick one that looks the best
but I saw no difference between them
last two are bolder
thats all I see
..
yeah
I noticed that
hmm
ashen spindle
the quotes are fine
reef tundra
I mean some research needs sources for every sentence
ashen spindle
if its the first written report you do that seems fine, because then the intent is to have you learn how to use references correctly
wheat plume
It was originally a 1000 word report that she gave us 3 days to do
but because we complained it wasnt enough time due to how much other shit, She gave us a week and upped the word count
reef tundra
you can easily take few weeks to choose and filter the sources based on the narritive it serves
wheat plume
on a topic of software refactoring
wheat plume
?
wheat plume
Look, it was initially 1000 words
pale sigil
xD
wheat plume
10 references for 1000 words is too much
pale sigil
no its not
wheat plume
wat
reef tundra
Not really, you need evidence for the claims you make and how you derived at conclusions
ashen spindle
that's the point, integrate references in a way that it isn't just quote after quote after quote
wheat plume
its not meant to teach us referencing
just happens to be the first formal report we have done
ashen spindle
by that it is meant to teach you this in a way
wouldnt make sense to teach it after you done it already
wheat plume
we need to use the college's referencing style
reef tundra
also recommend using the apa or iccc method
wheat plume
so if its a website we need to include the website host
ashen spindle
having some references to that is fairly normal for all refernecing styles
reef tundra
This claim was made by the author[1]. Unlike the claim made by the other author[2]
its also to keep the plagerism claims at bay
xd
ashen spindle
she said it's her first report including references, so noticing that indirect quotation is a good way to reference stuff is quite useful I'd say
yeah if you aren't good at filling it in a nice way to read
that is not based on references, but how you implement them
if you just vomit quotes in there and dont care to format it to be readable, that's not the fault of referencing
yes because it's clearly an exercise to learn doing it, otherwise it wouldn't have a required minimum of referneces
then you just did it wrong
you can do it, but it hurts you more than anyone else
fickle ore
I think references and learning them is wasted time until you write your thesises anyway, at which point you'll learn them anyway
wheat plume
My friend in his final year has to write 8000 words on Code Duplication :/
He is struggling after 2000
ashen spindle
yeah or you just do a good job and it comes a lot more natural, because it makes sense to what you write and because you are used to it, learning by doing is still the most effective way for the vast majority of people to learn it
you can game the system yes, but it hurts you more than anyone else, because you could just not game it and get more from it
its far from a perfect system dont get me wrong
fickle ore
I had a course with needing to write 80 pages of lab reports
or actually more
most of that is useless crap like that
think my pro grad was like 130+ pages
ashen spindle
I hate writing, I'm all for reducing writing at any point, but I also see that it's necessary, especially with the current situations, to get people to do proper scientific stuff so we can continue to trust in science
shadow minnow
Anyone here has Samsung oddisey g9?
fickle ore
@ashen spindle true but u gotta publish your thesis anyway so thats when u learn it
nobody gonna read those course stuff
ashen spindle
yeah or you learn it beforehand and have an actual good thesis, so other can read it and not hate it
fickle ore
thesis quality doesnt care when you learn to do it, be it first year or last year
ashen spindle
well yeah, I mean you shouldn't learn it during writing your thesis
shadow minnow
ashen spindle
which means doing it before, so lana doing it in year 2 or whatever it is, makes perfect sense to me
fickle ore
why not, can always correct after lol
shadow minnow
Less time
ashen spindle
because then you spend time on your thesis learning academics instead on the topic of it
shadow minnow
^
fickle ore
wot
that doesnt make sense, since you can spend infinite hours on it
its not like it needs to be written in 1 month
u can learn proper referencing in 1-2 days
shadow minnow
When you die you can not write it anymore
cursive summit
@shadow minnow I linked one today before it was burried under rubble
Really damn good deal
ashen spindle
you can, I doubt most people will/would
shadow minnow
I mean, does anyone actually have it on table (g9)
cursive summit
Not by the sound of it, but it's still awesome
Hardware Unboxed I think reviewed them
Also
So you are a big Apple fanboy
ashen spindle
learning it by doing it in a another report, so you can get feedback already seems much more beneficial for most people, than learning it on your own time without having that sort of feedback
shadow minnow
I am Apple fanboy.
Not Apple sheep though, there are some things Apple does that I really do not like.
cursive summit
You know what? I appreciate you existing
You make my android prices go low
So please, buy more stuff if you will 🙂
ashen spindle
yeah, university is surely not the best way for everyone, but it's tailored to cover the most people, and I think in that regard this way is correct, compared to being too open about it
shadow minnow
Planning to maybe buy iPhone 12 pro max 😄
cursive summit
Oh christ almighty..
wheat plume
Oh christ almighty..
@cursive summit ^^
cursive summit
@digital cliff Technically competition does mean good things for everyone
Right now people shouldn't buy Apple though
They are being scummy again
So buy Samsung until Samsung is scummy 😄
shadow minnow
Samsung gone way to high with flagship prices
wheat plume
yeah :/ Wazniak
cursive summit
Xiaomi?
cursive summit
Can someone tell me what became of Sony Ericcson?
wheat plume
MIUI getting much better though
shadow minnow
Actually Samsung has more expensive flagships than Apple rn.
cursive summit
No but seriously what happened to Sony Erickson?
wheat plume
and have two of most apps
cause Samsung make their own of everything
No but seriously what happened to Sony Erickson?
@cursive summit no idea :/
ashen spindle
yeah dont trust those scummy companies, trust the scummy company I like that is equally scummy
wheat plume
Xiaomi phone + pure Android custom rom = pure hardware and software awesomeness
shadow minnow
yeah dont trust those scummy companies, trust the scummy company I like that is equally scummy
@ashen spindle actually true
cursive summit
You want a decent phone brand that's not chinese? Nokia
wheat plume
But...
ashen spindle
idk, xiaomi have a bigger history of scraping data and selling than others, why trust them over any of the other scummy options
cursive summit
They still make good stuff
wheat plume
it is Chinese
cursive summit
Define "Chinese"?
Taiwan isn't China anymore
Shenzhen is though, and that's where most of the stuff is manufactured
shadow minnow
ashen spindle
wait are you saying nokia is chinese?
cursive summit
Nokia is Swedish
fair gull
yes even tho its finnish
cursive summit
Oh wait
Finnish
Right
But they might make their stuff in China as everyone does
fair gull
@ashen spindle didnt u know china bought finland
ashen spindle
oh right
fair gull
@cursive summit yes but being a chinese company means not just producing there but also having to follow chinese laws due to being from china
cursive summit
I am aware
Which is why Nokia is probably the better of the companies that exist right now
It's not Samsung, and it ain't Chinese
fair gull
for all we know xiaomi could have secret shit in their bootloaders
ashen spindle
well we know that they do/did sell browsing data from their included browser
so I wouldnt put it past them
wheat plume
still easy to unlock and it doesnt void warranty to do so
wheat plume
They seem to know that not everyone likes their rom
ashen spindle
if I need to wipe the product clean before I can even consider using it, I really don't see how you could not see that as a scummy company
wheat plume
they made their unlock process easier too, no longer need to send emails to ask for unlock privs
You need to wipe the thing clean on any phone if you wanna unlock
that point doesnt apply to just Xiaomi
ashen spindle
yea if I dont want to use the spyware that comes with it
like them admitting to collect data even in incognito mode is from this year lmao
cursive summit
@wheat plume Make your own phone
cursive summit
Buy a raspberry Pi, stuff it into a case, add a touchscreen and voila
wheat plume
@wheat plume Make your own phone
@cursive summit Make my own OS from AOSP
fickle ore
@ashen spindle know any technical artists good at Unity? 😄
ashen spindle
uhh for what
ashen spindle
oof that is one small niche they are looking for
fickle ore
Wish I could ;_;
true quest
im getting the 1 ii for sure
cursive summit
Sony makes good phones?
true quest
yes
cursive summit
Dunno Sony is making anticonsumer practices with the PS5
ashen spindle
Dunno Sony is making anticonsumer practices with the PS5
@cursive summit such as?
cursive summit
This again
true quest
i wouldnt say with the ps5 (yet)
wheat plume
cant use PS4 cntroller?
ashen spindle
the game price is not sony's doing
cursive summit
Is it though?
ashen spindle
no
cursive summit
Weirdly most of their games they announced are 70$ price tag
I can't support that, sorry
ashen spindle
they did not increase the cut or anything
that is 100% on the studios making the games and selling them
cursive summit
So game devs just out of the blue made the price tag +10$?
Starting with Take2?
And specifically on PS5
From what I saw XSX game prices are unchanged
"Samsung Galaxy S21-series to come with Galaxy Buds Beyond"
Up until now, Samsung has offered its wireless buds free of charge but only as a pre-order offer. With the Galaxy S21 family, the company plans to start offering its wireless solutions bundled.
neat oriole
To be fair it’s a miracle game prices haven’t really changed since the 90s
They were $60 back then, they’re still mostly $60 now
cursive summit
Just the way they should be
ashen spindle
^ that comes from them adding dlc/lootboxes etc. instead of upping the price to reflect higher development costs
neat oriole
True
ashen spindle
inflation, higher costs etc. and games didn't raise the price
that has to come at some cost
neat oriole
Post game monetization has become a larger part of it
I mean $60 in 1990 is like $120 today
cursive summit
How has the game development gotten pricier when it has become also easier?
neat oriole
Because they’re making bigger games?
ashen spindle
because making an indie game easier doesn't mean making AAA got easier or cheaper
it's not like you are getting flappy bird for 70
cursive summit
Sure, but like EA you can pump out a AAA every year
Then again they do have a lot of employees
ashen spindle
they are increasing the prices with console release, as that makes it easier to do than randomly do it in the middle of a year
I'm certain some also will be happy that people blame sony for it
but its not on sony
cursive summit
Yeah so many games they release are not worth the 60$ asking tag to begin with
70$ is just.. sad
ashen spindle
but yeah, don't think sony has done anything anticonsumer with the ps5 so far
neat oriole
Well I mean forcing people to buy new controllers is kinda dumb
ashen spindle
if anything it's better than xbox since you can use any SSD as long as it's good enough and dont need to buy the proprietary xbox SD cards
cursive summit
Isn't getting exclusives inherently anticonsumer?
cursive summit
I have no intent of spending half a thousand for a console, but now I can't play the title
To me that's kinda anti consumer
At least PC should get it for the 70$ price tag
ashen spindle
ehhh that's stretching it quite heavily
neat oriole
It’s not like epic games making deals with third party devs to only release on EGS
cursive summit
Like I am spending 500$, for the ability to be able to purchase a game I want
That's kinda weird man
ashen spindle
also you can use the ps4 controller, at least if the game isnt using ps5 features and next gen only
wheat plume
It’s not like epic games making deals with third party devs to only release on EGS
@neat oriole sus
ashen spindle
except all those deals are timed exclusive
the only scummy thing they did is getting timed exclusives on titles that were already listed on steam
ashen spindle
im talking in reponse to EGS
neat oriole
also you can use the ps4 controller, at least if the game isnt using ps5 features and next gen only
@ashen spindle
Yeah but the old controller is disabled through software, there’s nothing physically preventing someone from using a PS4 controller
ashen spindle
I guess it depends on how much the game uses the haptile feedback if I can agree with it or not
neat oriole
You can only use the PS4 controller on games released on PS4
ashen spindle
yeah and you can use the gamecube controller on wii games that aren't smash and co.
neat oriole
Which is basically pointless
ashen spindle
idk, depends on how it works if I can agree with it or not
cursive summit
Is Sony going to somehow give me a multiplatform ability to play games?
ashen spindle
I mean they need to make incentives for devs to add the new features and not make them optional
cursive summit
Will I get God of War 2, Horizon 2 on PC?
ashen spindle
maybe before ps6 release
neat oriole
It’s like “yeah you can use your old controller so it doesn’t go to waste” “also btw it only works with old games”
cursive summit
At least Xbox from what I heard doesn't have anything that doesn't come to PC
ashen spindle
there is a difference between anti consumer, and offering reasons to even buy your product at all
cursive summit
That's not a valid argument
Well it is
But it's a scummy anti-consumer argument as to why I should buy your console
PS5 is interesting to me because of good haptic feedback controllers, amazing sound design
But now I am locked out of PS5 games on PC?
Sorry but that's scummy
ashen spindle
given they make the console with the devs in mind, make the hardware with the devs in mind, spend time and money so they can optimize it for it, they should then just give that up for free?
cursive summit
Console should sell by its feature set, not by its game count
ashen spindle
yeah and if a feature is optional, it wont get used as well
cursive summit
Audio thing is baked in afaik
So is haptic feedback but it's up to devs to use it or not
The audio is BIG for me
ashen spindle
if you know EVERY customer will have the feature, you are much more likely to make use of it. Otherwise you'd just risk wasting a huge customer base
cursive summit
Why would I even buy the PS5 then? Other than to play games?
Browse the net?
Disk drive for media is also removed on the cheap model
I appreciate good feature sets
Like AMD vs Nvidia battle
AMD at least makes their shit open source
ashen spindle
I feel like you just argued for my point
cursive summit
I just got that feeling too and confused me
No but seriously, a console, like a phone, or an appliance should be sold in terms of what it can deliver
Games shouldn't be restricted
ashen spindle
there is a difference in having a monopoly and make choices so only you can gain benefit, and competition where you spend a lot of money to compete
cursive summit
Monopolizing games onto a single platform is anticonsumer just like it is anticonsumer to buy up competitors
You are literally inciting anti-consumerism by making someone have no choice
Xbox? Sure it is good but it doesn't have good games
ashen spindle
no you are making competition by forcing the other side to also make good games or nobody will buy it
cursive summit
Cause Sony bought them all up under their umbrella
true quest
well hopefully bethesda releases a finished product for once
ashen spindle
you can't have a fully open market and expect progress
cursive summit
Games are a brand and the name matters here
If you buy up the big ones, that shifts sales heavily
It's not bad to buy up game licenses
Xbox has been doing it
At least they didn't lock it under a single platform
Epic has been doing it, it's timed exclusive
Sony does it, no other choice other than buy their product
ashen spindle
yeah because they also own pc so they just exlude ps5, it's the same thing
it's anti consumer for people who own a ps5
see how I turned that on you
cursive summit
What 😄
You mean making shit PC exclusive?
Sure, that could be in a way deemed anti-consumer
ashen spindle
MS bought zenimax, so they now make games that are on xbox and pc, not ps5, so if I have a ps5 that means I need to buy something else to play it
cursive summit
So basically, the consensus is not to release consoles
PC is godly
Regardless
It's not quite the same
It's just morally shitty to lock it down under your own product
Legally sure it has no implications
ashen spindle
it is morally shitty to not give me a 3090 for free so I need to spend money on it
but they spend time and money to make it so they want to get some back
same with ps5 games
cursive summit
Cause I don't want to buy 2 500$ consoles and 1000 or more for a PC
PC is one purchase, and you can use it to game
Oh wait I can't to play this game now, let's buy a 500$ console that'll be useless to me after I buy this 70$ game on top
Cause I own a PC
cursive summit
VR is its own platform
Not that I can't play them with M&K, it will be a shitty experience
At least even with Oculus I can play their own "exclusive" stuff on my Valve or HP device
PS5, no such ability
ashen spindle
I mean I'd like to see how you play beat saber without a VR headset and controllers
true quest
damn i kinda want to see someone do it with two mouses on a pc
ashen spindle
so a different game basically
wheat plume
damn i kinda want to see someone do it with two mouses on a pc
@true quest same :')
cursive summit
I hate shit being locked behind something I need to buy, when you can release it on PC too
You have the potential to release it, so please ducking do
Cause not everyone is able or want to buy a console for the "exclusive" games
ashen spindle
entitlement to something doesn't mean its anti customer
cursive summit
How is it morally ethical on the consumer side not to be able to play Sony games when I can play Xbox games on PC?
true quest
i believe that has to do with ms owning xbox, doesnt it?
cursive summit
Is Windows a thing you need to pay a license to own and use?
Last I checked it's still free
ashen spindle
...
true quest
it is?
cursive summit
Well they never had a trial period
true quest
i dunno man i got mine at best buy
cursive summit
Dunno Win10 is quite literally "pay to unlock features, but otherwise free to use"
ashen spindle
no
cursive summit
Legally it's not but effectively it is
ashen spindle
Legally it's not
and thus it is not
I can also steal an xbox and playstation, doesnt make them free
cursive summit
Ah, so buying up games and locking them down under my Playstation console is not illegal, so it is fine
Eh, fair sentiment
cursive summit
Dunno Xbox still makes money releasing their games on PC
That just makes PS5 look bad
@fickle ore 5800X?
Why?
ashen spindle
wow almost like the guys who own xbox also make money from pcs....
I'd get a non samsung ssd and then you get 2TB for the same price
PSU seems fine, but hard to say without knowing exact power spikes
true quest
wd got good ones
cursive summit
Last I checked Sony hasn't been doing only consoles so if they did a consumer-friendly practice, they wouldn't be hurt that much
ashen spindle
wow almost like the other parts Sony does, does not including making money from pc users
cursive summit
Hm but somehow this one game I really want to play is locked behind a 500$ physical paywall 
It's not like I have a PC right now that I am using
urban lynx
know what's anti consumer?
not selling a game 
cursive summit
70$ on Steam or Sony's own store
And money for them, game for me
But now 500$ just for the ability to buy a game?
Sounds totally fine to me
Let's break the traditional practices and be scumbags cause we want to make money!
tender sparrow
That's what Sony has always done
cursive summit
Like I'm sorry but PS5 looks decent as a portable game device
tender sparrow
They pretend they give a shit about you and when they're #1 from doing it they go full asswipe mode
cursive summit
But you can't force me to buy it via games
tender sparrow
They did it with the PS3 and they did it with the PS4
true quest
portable gaming device
gets sad cuz no more vita in the future
ashen spindle
well first of it's a 400$ wall, and if it's too much for what you get don't buy it, voting with your wallet is the best way to change stuff
tender sparrow
May those memory cards rot in hell
cursive summit
@true quest Vita isn't that bad
true quest
i didnt have experience with memory cards on it since i never used them, but i liked the device
cursive summit
PSP was fun to have
A bit limited in terms of what was on it
Vita I heard can be CFW'd into gloriousness
true quest
the home interface was essentially the ps3 interface right?
urban lynx
buying a reasonable computer costs you about the same or more... Plus the games alot of times.
granted, you do kind of have a "downward" compatibility
cursive summit
@true quest For which?
true quest
psp
cursive summit
Vita or PSP?
I dunno I never owned a PS3
Oh
I googled it
Yep looks the same
true quest
that's how i remember it at least
cursive summit
Looks very similar if not the same
true quest
maybe it was ported?
wheat plume
She wants us to physically give her a declaration of originality with this report
.-.
we send it in tomorrow through the website and then also call to her office in the college with the freaking form .-.
true quest
for what is this lmao
wheat plume
Her notes on transaction management were shortened to TransMan in her folder :')
she also shortens "Assignment" to Ass
crimson wigeon
"We fixed an issue resulting in the background of some dialogs to unexpectedly appear grey instead of white in the last couple flights." Good fix there MS
wheat plume
LOL WAT
ashen spindle
updated 3 hours later, means something big changed probably and that article is dumb
so I aint even considering reading it
cursive summit
"According to the latest information, confirmed directly by Sony to our editorial team during the day today , PS5 will not support the native resolution at 1440p"
It's IGN
They have some relevancy
cursive summit
Well damn rip 1440p
ashen spindle
no thats bullshit
cursive summit
"Confirmed directly by Sony to our editorial team"
Hm
Right they seem to be right here
No native 1440p
Only upscaled 1080p
ashen spindle
yeah no I dont trust that even one bit
wheat plume
is this running too hot? its under heavy load from the game im playing
true quest
high settings?
true quest
lamo is this distance
the temp is a bit on the high side from what i consider comfortable
wheat plume
:/
Need better cooling
true quest
what u have right now
true quest
one of those parallel stock coolers
wheat plume
Yeh
Came with the case
wheat plume
One on the front panel
One on the back panel
They loud bastards too :/
I have coil whine also... It bothers me a little when I dont have music on
true quest
or if the cpu is fine just go for the case fans
minimum of three is my recommendation
or four if they are small
wheat plume
I was suggested to mount the front fan behind the case panel rather than directly behind the front cover
wheat plume
I can verify that the front fan does pull air in
I haven't pulled my pc off my desk to check the back fan yet to make sure that blows air out
timid chasm
When do we get ryzen 5000 benchmarks? Do we know?
reef patrol
Supposedly we'll know in about 7 hours from now. Which is also when stores will start selling the chips, @timid chasm
ashen spindle
there is one polish site that seems to not have signed an NDA and put out 5600x results
but other than that we should get actual reviews in at 9am eastern (3pm cet)
reef patrol
I just want to know if those two extra cores matter at all in demanding 2020 games or not.
It's not s huge price increase but I do have other things to spend dinero on 😆
cursive summit
Yeah reviews aee going out
Some YTbers also have them out
Great improvement
Expected more, but looks like Rocket Lake has some potential to steal the show if properly priced
ashen spindle
yeah idk where that is from and based on that one graph I also dont want to know bc thats not even properly ordered
reef patrol
At... what resolution?
Et cetera.
Also that is a3070. Are we GPU limited? We know the 3070 is a limiting factor in some scenarios.
ashen spindle
its just not sorted by either 1% or avg is what I dislike about it the most lmao
like is this sorted by price?
ashen spindle
brazilian youtuber
timid chasm
Thanks for the info
fickle ore
yeah what a bad test happened to be gpu bound
cursive summit
You poor fuck, of course you would buy a top tier 3090 with a 5600X
What is this shitty benchmark? Not realistic, doesn't utilize top of the line hardware
ashen spindle
.. I mean thats kind of the point of reviews, if you want random non matching data check userbenchmark
cursive summit
Even though 3070 + 5600X is far more realistic and relevant to any person than a top of the line card
fickle ore
@cursive summit ..............
ashen spindle
yes but the point is to show scaling between them, so you can extrapolate data to your usecase
old marlin
?
I mean
ideally you want the CPU to be the bottleneck
so picking the fastest GPU is not a bad idea
ashen spindle
there is a line between "realistic" combination of hardware and representative settings, testing 1660ti with a 5600x makes as much sense as testing in 480p
yeah it shows something, but usefeull for nobody
old marlin
for a CPU bench you should then probably use 1080p in any game
cursive summit
If you are showcasing the CPU capabilities, then I fully agree to use the best possible GPU
fickle ore
dont need to
cursive summit
Still RTX 3070 is far more realistic than a 3090 for the average consumer
fickle ore
just use 3070 lowest setting so u can save money and the bench can still show % difference between 5800x vs 5600x for example
eh
ashen spindle
I don't trust a reviewer who can't sort his graphs anyway so ¯_(ツ)_/¯ for me
fickle ore
yeah 😄
zenith sonnet
How do you clean wax off a display?
zenith sonnet
Nope, paraffin wax
cursive summit
I dunno scraping it off carefully wouldn't damage the display
zenith sonnet
I managed to get it off by scraping the majority off with something soft, and rubbing the remainder off with a wet kitchen paper towel
It's only really solvable in oil and things that would damage the display
Glad I got it off without smearing oil on my display, lol
Physical abrasion
halcyon moss
no more sexy time near your screen
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1324316957043163142 
this has to be a tsmc 7nm refresh
ashen spindle
oh no thats nothing for this year
ashen spindle
6? no 12? maybe
ashen spindle
well the super cards were possible bc they didn't use the full dies for the non super cards
hard thicket
that was also a year after the initial release i believe
ashen spindle
3090 uses the full GA102 die
hard thicket
read also a day ago that the 20gb vram variant showed up again
fickle ore
@ashen spindle I think we need to start seperating benchmarks for game genres soon lol.
hard thicket
the smell of competition is good
ashen spindle
uhh for cpu or for gpu?
and yeh, 20gb might come as a 80ti with more cores instead of just more memory
fickle ore
@ashen spindle for example cpu's with big cache perform better at smaller, more competitive games.. So they might be the go to for e.g CSGO/LOL/DOTA/VALORANT/OW etc.. But might lose to other chips at bigger rpg/mmorpg/sp games
just saw a bench of 5600x at 620+ fps in csgo vs 440 fps 3600x
ashen spindle
mhh I think just esports vs non esports title is all you need there
and basically every decent review has at least some sort of both
fickle ore
ye, but ppl still recommend cpus and gpus based on mostly SP reviews.
zenith sonnet
Eh, if you mainly play a specific genre, you look at benchmarks for those games
ashen spindle
I mean people will always misinterpret data
just look at how many people didn't understand the GN watercooling piece they did recently and went to yell at everyone that their AIO is going to explode
pale sigil
Any early reviews yet that broke nda
ashen spindle
none that are useful
pale sigil
2014 lana
wheat plume
Yeah I saw that :')
wheat plume
+bf4 ?
pale sigil
battlefield 4 code
urban lynx
anything wrong with having a cpu from intel and gpu from amd?
or anything wrong with an amd cpu and nvidia gpu? 🤔
wheat plume
Currently I have AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU :P
Plan to get AMD GPU tho
cause Nvidia and their fucky drivers
cursive summit
Wait it's not a joke?
wheat plume
TIL your surname
pale sigil
wtf Lana
wheat plume
:')
pale sigil
Ive posted it so many times
wheat plume
oh?
wheat plume
ashen spindle
cause Nvidia and their fucky drivers
@wheat plume *linux drivers, if anything, on windows they are much more stable
wheat plume
cause I wanna go back to ArcoLinux
pale sigil
Nvidia drivers shite on linux but great on windows
amd drivers shite on windows but good on linux
ashen spindle
yeah because amd doesn't make them, they are open source on linux
wheat plume
wait, AMD dont make their Linux drivers?
ashen spindle
and nvidia on linux isn't bad, they just dont work atm because they dont comply with the rules for latest kernel version
crimson wigeon
AMD absolutely do make them, together with the community
wheat plume
thats good its not
and nvidia on linux isn't bad, they just dont work atm because they dont comply with the rules for latest kernel version
@ashen spindle Yeah, this is the only issue ive had with them
crimson wigeon
There are the closed source "pro" drivers though but you're not meant to use those
wheat plume
oo
ashen spindle
and no, your gpu temps are not something you need to concern yourself about
thats why I said that widget is pointless
wheat plume
ashen spindle
getting data you dont understand is the same as not having any data
crimson wigeon
But it's fun numbers and what else you gonna put in your bar
ashen spindle
date, time
crimson wigeon
But you gotta make use of all the available space!
ashen spindle
uhhh sure :p
crimson wigeon
It's so... empty..
ashen spindle
lmao good luck I guess
fickle ore
ty
crimson wigeon
More like do your last checks that the scripts are good
fickle ore
dont got scripts
crimson wigeon
Excellent
ashen spindle
looks like I might be lucky and have my work done just in time as well so I can relax and watch reviews
old marlin
my brother will try to get one 
my guess is that websites will be the limiting factor
not stock
ashen spindle
very likely
but hey, it's a free stress test today when there is definitely enough stock
so they can be more ready for rdna2 launch
it wont be 30xx bad but obv less stock than zen3
ashen spindle
ye
fickle ore
think launch days zen 3's will have worse bins than for example in 1 month?
ashen spindle
doubt it
the reason zen2 got a bit of an uplift was tsmc getting better at the tools for 7nm
its the same process now
ashen spindle
ehh, it's more or less the same, just different variation basically
fickle ore
I cant last minute decide whether 5600x or 5800x 😦
ashen spindle
56 if you want to maybe sell it at some point and upgrad on the same platform
58 if you want to keep it till new platform
pale sigil
@fickle ore i feel you
ashen spindle
well, lets hope this compile fixed the last error and I'm done and ready to watch 
pale sigil
There are 1088 people viewing this product
ashen spindle
take a look at my picture few minutes ago and calm down
pale sigil
crimson wigeon
GIVE ME NUMBERS
old marlin
5900X is available
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsfvRw74h30 first one for me
old marlin
not 5950X though 
crimson wigeon
5950X is available
crimson wigeon
THESE NUMBERS AAAAHhh I NEED IT
pale sigil
ahhhhhhhhhh
crimson wigeon
Aaaand it's gone
old marlin
mindfactory be like
zenith sonnet
I don't see any 5950X either
crimson wigeon
Only 5600X remains!
pale sigil
FFS
zenith sonnet
I still haven't found any 5950X listed anywhere
Not even as preorder
Well, fuck them
crimson wigeon
Uuuh how is it that expensive there
cursive summit
zenith sonnet
Caseking is already raising prices
cursive summit
SkyTech (local reseller) says they are getting 10 5800X units next week
And they got 30 5600X units
Of which 23 are gone
pale sigil
pissed off
crimson wigeon
Oh no the horror of having to wait maybe a couple weeks
crisp granite
Maybe I'll get a 5600X if reviews are good
ashen spindle
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested written in depth review
cursive summit
All I am seeing are 5950X reviews on YT
reef patrol
Phew...
Got a 5600X before the website died out completely.
Had two full minute "website not responding"
zenith sonnet
Lol
pale sigil
and it failed
zenith sonnet
I still haven't seen any other than Caseking's overpriced 5950X
pale sigil
got to checjout again
fickle ore
ok got 5800x comming now 🙂
reef patrol
I paid my smartphone payment to avoid getting stuck.
Once payment had cleared...the website died completely. I only know I got one, because their mailing system wasn't down yet. Got my confirmation xD
crisp granite
nope
pale sigil
mate
crisp granite
they cost double the price of a 3600
pale sigil
i cant even get confirm pay to work
zenith sonnet
5.05GHz R20 1T 
crisp granite
or I can get this: https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00114455
they have 5 in the whole GTA
fuck
pale sigil
ocuk just dead
crisp granite
damn
pale sigil
2 sores still aint listed
zenith sonnet
Proof of stock
crisp granite
damn
pale sigil
one just refuses
crisp granite
that ain't bad at all
crisp granite
yeah
zenith sonnet
6000 series will sell out for weeks
crisp granite
I'm buying the best card for $650 to $700 CAD
that looks like an RTX 3070
just because AMD won't have any cards to compete for a bit
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet where is that from? Where is that cheap?
zenith sonnet
MIndfactory
halcyon moss
its a big step forward, nice
halcyon moss
whats your region?
ashen spindle
one thing I just realized looking at the numbers in the reviews
zenith sonnet
At least Mindfactory sticks to MSRP
ashen spindle
the SAM thing, was the for GPU bound scenarios or is that also giving you a fps boost in cpu bound cases?
fickle ore
@ashen spindle I talked it couple days ago
ashen spindle
mustve missed it
fickle ore
@ashen spindle my question was that whether reducing cpu calls from cpu <-> gpu increases ST or not, and by how much.. because with one cpu call you get entire VRAM vs 256mb blocks.. so cpu calls are reduced by x16-48 (4-16gb of VRAM)
and perhaps there is less latency between cpu and gpu which increases overall framerate
I'm guessing it increases overall framerate and cpu perf because of less overhead
ashen spindle
im hoping the whitepaper will be clear on what it does exactly
ashen spindle
oof anandtech is down bc too many people wanted to read the review lmao
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore TPU also used 3200 for the benchmarks
pale sigil
zenith sonnet
Congratz
fickle ore
@ashen spindle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy3ezUm1V20
ashen spindle
ye watched it
fickle ore
one of the few that benches 5800x aswell
fickle ore
ya I guess..