but even if... there is not a single 3090 in stock
#๐โtech
hard thicket
reef patrol
Not sure if my 8700K or motherboard are haunted. Getting the boot either way ๐
fickle ore
Not me, I've already decided what to get, but its good idea to wait for benchmarks in general
ashen spindle
the ghost of skylake still lingers they say :p
hard thicket
well if you strickly plan to game, the choice ain't that difficult i'd say ๐
ashen spindle
Not me, I've already decided what to get, but its good idea to wait for benchmarks in general
@fickle ore so you are finally certain you wont wait for zen4? :p
hard thicket
for someone that does actual graphical work, i've to decide somewhat wisely
fickle ore
ye zen3 it is
ashen spindle
thats why he debated waiting, he still on ddr3 I think :p
hard thicket
Oh what
zenith sonnet
I'm going 5950X
And probabaly 6900XT
ashen spindle
prob getting info on that next year
hard thicket
cant remember reading abbout that
zenith sonnet
Nope
vagrant marsh
TR?
zenith sonnet
There's no point
ashen spindle
maybe a teaser when they announce milan next month or so
hard thicket
hopefully
ashen spindle
but they wont be out before the server gets hands on zen3, margins too high there
hard thicket
32c/64t with single core performance of a 5900x yes please
one machine to rule them all
vagrant marsh
so....november 5th they release the cpu's. thats thursday. so i order thursday. then i get the cpu on friday, and i got the weekend to jam that thing on my motherboard
in a world where it would be in stock ๐ฅฒ
hard thicket
show me that place please
vagrant marsh
rtx 3070 also got sold out within minutes
ashen spindle
Genesis peak is what you want to look out for btw, for zen3 TR
zenith sonnet
There's no point in making a Zen3 TR
The more cores you use, the less difference you see
ashen spindle
granted they could've changed it but I dont see why the codename changed
hard thicket
with the IPC improvments, the multithread performance still scales with
zenith sonnet
Not as much, particularly in power limited scenarios
ashen spindle
where is that coming from?
wouldn't make sense to offer less performance than last gen
amd aint intel 
fickle ore
did u guys see that memory latency improvement of zen 3
ashen spindle
dont think so, unless you mean some sysmark bench result?
fickle ore
was like 5-10ns iirc
fickle ore
it was with 3800/18cl kit and it was like uhh 56ns?
or 58
forgot
I mean -5 to -10ns from zen 2
lol I cant talk
zenith sonnet
I'm at 67ns with 3666 CL14-13-13
Granted, it's a 3700X
Would be ~61ns with a 3950X
fickle ore
if 5800x can get 48-50ns with 4000/15 kit that be gg
zenith sonnet
It's still only 1 chiplet, so it'll have a similar penalty
zenith sonnet
1 chiplet CPUs have half write performance and a few ns higher latency
fickle ore
that was in zen 2 due to 2ccx
zenith sonnet
It was 1 CCD vs 2 CCD CPUs
fickle ore
wasnt the reason for zen 2 having half the write performance because half the cache was on the 2nd ccx
shouldnt be case for zen 3
zenith sonnet
Waiiittt a sec
WAIIIIIITTTTT A SEC
If the 3090 is a 'Titan-class' GPU
Doesn't that mean it's a workstation card?
And the 6900 XT will be the most powerful consumer graphics card without doubt? 
cursive summit
Certainly not my wallet
5900x: https://www.proshop.de/CPU/AMD-Ryzen-9-5900X-CPU-12-Kerne-37-GHz-AMD-AM4-Bulk-ohne-Kuehler/2884173
I think they are actually purchasable
vagrant marsh
Yup
ashen spindle
some amd raytracing number it seems like https://twitter.com/MrMcShotgun/status/1322523085350658049
zenith sonnet
It's more like AMD crunching through Nvidia's RTX
ashen spindle
ok just checked, tomb raider seems to be on DXR1.0 so not really much nvidia-specific code if any, at least we know AMD's RT does as expected in those cases, between turing and ampere
zenith sonnet
It's not like they had any AMD hardware to test this on when they made it
It's 100% geared toward working best on Turing
hard thicket
i assume thats the 6800 non XT ? right ?
ashen spindle
uhh xt I think
zenith sonnet
Some numbers from his Discord, some from a benchmark online?
hard thicket
it's not even close to the 3080
sure that its the no XT lol
that would be pretty bad
hard thicket
atleast on 4K
hard thicket
oh
ashen spindle
this is with Raytracing, not general raster performance
hard thicket
yeah but DLSS makes only sense when the game supports 2.0
SOTR doesnt use 2.0
as example
ashen spindle
dlss doesnt matter for this conversation, this is purely about how their RTRT performance is
cursive summit
That's the 3070 "killer"
Or competitor whatever you call it
And the RT perf looks quite awesome for the bottom SKU
Again RT doesn't matter for shit as a comparison feature for now
Barely enough games even utilize it properly to be even considered a "card defining feature"
DLSS is quite awesome, and AMD is countering that soon
But RT as it stands is just a marketing gag
crimson wigeon
But we'll see how AMDs solution stacks up
DLSS 1.x was considered awful by many
But I'm sure it'll probably be decent because consoles are likely going to want it
cursive summit
Consoles have it already
Think they will able to play the "gaming at 8K" natively? 
crimson wigeon
Yes
golden girder
@prisma comet @fickle ore So as I hope it was clear but I think a faster polling rate don't really make sense for buttons but it does for mouse movement. Yes even buttons can be handled faster but really who takes care if a mouse button takes 3 or 6 ms???
But I think it makes sense to better track mouse movement!
It is simple, your need debouncing (even called differently) to know if a mechanical key is pressed or not. You can get around with 3 pin switches and fancy logic but in the end it's still the same...
There is a delay, even it is a small one due to fancy fast logic, but there is one.
Yes, if your refresh rate is (much) lower than the polling rate the benefit is smaller but still present. It's a bit the same why a lot of people play with a much faster frame rate than their monitor can show. Even they can't see it!
Yes, most likely not everyone can benefit from a 300 Hz monitor compared to a 240 Hz one. Who the fuck even cares...
As last as only 0,1% are better with it it make sense!
Maybe you can't name it, maybe it's just subjective, as long as you can play better (maybe your flick rails or headshots are improved).
prisma comet
@fickle ore
- if everyone already did this, it wouldn't be talked about so much. also debounce delay is 5ms max, clicking for such a short duration is inhuman
- latency and variance is caused by the slowest link of the chain. if the slowest link is the software then optimising the mouse won't change anything except maybe cycle alignment (btw the biggest overheads in end-to-end latency are graphics pipeline buffering and monitor scanout, which are already way bigger than anything hardware related). besides, we're talking sub-millisecond optimization here. not even osu! can handle input that precise
- this is an interesting point. do you have a source for that ?
@golden girder
So as I hope it was clear but I think a faster polling rate don't really make sense for buttons
i completely agree
but it does for mouse movement
here i disagree. take a look at this: https://i.imgur.com/rg3eewX.png each white pixel is a position update from the mouse. I put my cursor in the bottom left corner and aimed for the X button of the window in the top right corner. mouse movement doesnt get much faster than that unless its something like a camera flick where aim isn't that important. now imagine inserting 7 more pixels in each gap. do you really think that's gonna make any difference ? most games can't even process 1000hz in full
Yes even buttons can be handled faster but really who takes care if a mouse button takes 3 or 6 ms???
ironically this particular example actually CAN make a difference, in rythm games for example
It is simple, your need debouncing (even called differently) to know if a mechanical key is pressed or not. You can get around with 3 pin switches and fancy logic but in the end it's still the same...
There is a delay, even it is a small one due to fancy fast logic, but there is one.
see point #1 from Dag and me
It's a bit the same why a lot of people play with a much faster frame rate than their monitor can show. Even they can't see it!
yes they can. monitor scanout is line by line (actually its pixel by pixel, but that's beside the point) so unless you use Vsync you CAN see it, and its not just because of cycle alignment
Yes, most likely not everyone can benefit from a 300 Hz monitor compared to a 240 Hz one. Who the fuck even cares...
under ideal circumstances scanout is the biggest factor for end-to-end latency, so if you're gonna optimize, it should exactly this first and foremost
prisma comet
its what you get when you discuss a complex topic
fickle ore
@golden girder Faster polling rate is very important for clicks too. While higher polling rate for movement makes the your cursor appear where it should sooner (and more accurate), you also have to click there shoot. Even 5ms delay from button causes a few degrees of precision error, which is magnified by aiming speed/flicking speed
@golden girder there is a good video about the topic where in cs:go and aiming at 3-4m/s speed causes you to miss the opponent by 2-3x model hitbox width
it's not as big as say 1000hz vs 125hz, but it's nice to have.
reef patrol
I guess Rocky's point is... But can you actually tell the difference without looking at high speed footage 
prisma comet
Slowest link in the chain after 144hz monitor is actually the mouse (if it has 5ms delay)
no its not. even in mainstream competitive titles graphics pipeline often adds 10+ ms
reef patrol
You say it's nice to have. But can you actually tell it's there? I'd say that's pretty central ๐
prisma comet
@fickle ore what is that smiley supposed to express ? (i am autistic and dont understand non-verbal communication)
@reef patrol being able to tell by perception actually isnt relevant. whats relevant is whether your aim performance opbjectively improves which can be evaluated statistically
@fickle ore frametime != pipeline delay
well obviously you dont
i am a software engineering student who did a lot of research on this topic. while i haven't finished my research yet, i can confidently tell you that frame time isnt the only thing causing latency
stfu, you didnt even read it
this is plain wrong and easy to prove, stop making a fool of yourself
reef patrol
@prisma comet That's actually what I meant. Does your "performance" improve because of a couple of miliseconds?
Not talking 60 to 144hz and such here. But the difference between something like 3-6ms ๐
prisma comet
NVIDIA proved in a study that latency is a lot more important than fps https://research.nvidia.com/publication/2019-11_Latency-of-30
@fickle ore i am not saying that because of my condition, i am saying this because im getting really tired of your shit
how do you even want to know that
reef patrol
Can't find a link to read the publication on that page. And they do seem to deal with much higher latency changes. ๐
prisma comet
of course smaller changes will make smaller differences
thank you, you wont be missed
reef patrol
This is where I point out everyone needs to stay civil.
timid chasm
prisma comet
he does provide some very useful insights
especially how capping your fps can improve latency was very interesting
and its a great example of how frame time most certainly is not the main cause for latency
i am currently learning vulkan because i want to create a proof of concept application that shows how low you can get. with opengl i got down to 3ms so far
yes i know, that is exactly what i meant
a mouse with 5ms debouncing delay
yesterday you said that nearly everyone already implements debounce in a way that doesnt affect input latency. also we came from mouse movement were debounce doesnt even exist
and what does that have to do with debounce ?
how is this relevant to the topic at hand
yes we had that yesterday
why are you bringing this up again now
you're just repeating yourself
you already told me this yesterday
why are you telling me again now, when we were talking about latency in the graphics pipeline
and so you're not even going to try ? what kind of logic is that
this is not how critical discussion works
nor the message you deleted tonight https://discordapp.com/channels/167181566978555904/195657113190662155/761638373558583317
reef patrol
Calm down Last...
prisma comet
what, am i not allowed to call him out on his bullshit ?
and regarding your question, i saw a spreadsheet. dunno if its the same though
cursive summit
Oh god it's heated over here
@reef patrol is this popcorn worthy my good old duckling?
prisma comet
really @reef patrol ? you're going to support that he went out of his way to delete 1month old messages to change the narrative ?
reef patrol
Uh yeah... thanks for accusing me of deleting stuff. Real nice.
prisma comet
correction: apologizing to someone i treated unfairly
cursive summit
I know it's completely fair from your side
prisma comet
i accused them for something they didnt do, and for that i apologize
cursive summit
Now address Dag's "I don't want to waste time with a person like you" statement
Just chillout lads take it easy, no one wants open hostilities
prisma comet
what am i supposed to say to that ?
dude is dodging the argument, so this is where it ends
reef patrol
That's the thing - The argument hasn't ended. Y'all just keep going ๐
prisma comet
wdym? all i did since then was apologize to you
reef patrol
You apologising to me doesn't really have anything to do with the latency discussion ๐
cursive summit
It's a battle to the death in a Wooting server
Key point of advice when buying a mouse is
Look at the ergonomics over anything else
And the price of course
A comfortable cheap mouse is usually all you need
old marlin
@prisma comet dunno what dag was exactly on about
but assuming he was saying limiting fps to reduce input to image delay he probably was talking about g-sync
in which case you NEVER want to get an extra frame over max otherwise you entirely drop it and just double your next frame time
so instead you cap your fps ~5% below the hz of the monitor
and get more consistent frametimes
prisma comet
@old marlin consistency is very important indeed, definitely more than fps, and maybe even latency (to an extent).
improving latency by reducing fps is an example i myself brought up when someone mentioned a youtuber, and it has nothing to do with gsync, but with buffering in the graphics pipeline. when the gpu is under full load, the cpu piles up draw calls until the buffer is full and keeps refilling it immediately as soon as the gpu finishes an instruction, causing them to age before they even reach the gpu.
our main topic was actually whether or not it makes sense to run a mouse at 8000hz, and what got me annoyed about him is the fact that on multiple occsasions he just wrote stuff like "all your points are wrong" without explaining anything at all
old marlin
I mean by how you argue it isn't weird to me how he reacted
improving latency by reducing fps is an example i myself brought up when someone mentioned a youtuber, and it has nothing to do with gsync is just plain wrong
gsync also is a big part of the reason why you should do it
prisma comet
g-sync is an improvement when you compare it to v-sync, but no-sync is still fastest
the buffer fill problem also happens no-sync
urban lynx
... i can never take "g-sync" serious as a technical term. and i hate myself for that
prisma comet
why not ?
ashen spindle
oh don't worry, I'm failry certain nvidia did that on purpose
old marlin
the buffer fill problem is a g-sync specific problem
ashen spindle
just like the 16 series and GFE come from the same jokes
prisma comet
@old marlin how so ?
old marlin
it happens with the g-sync module in a monitor
urban lynx
lets just say, i think of other things hearing gsync 
old marlin
it just ignores a new frame if it hasn't displayed the most recent one
prisma comet
oh, maybe we're talking about 2 completely different things
prisma comet
well you were referring to a topic that i brought up, and in that context the statement WAS wrong. it may be true in another context
also unlike dag i didnt just say "you are wrong", instead i tried explaining my point
ashen spindle
it's an interesting and quite complex topic, I dont see why you think it's over after a couple points xD
urban lynx
everyone is wrong.
only true is that i am still in bed.
reef patrol
The heated argument has been going on all morning.
ashen spindle
I've read most of it and thought it was quite tame
prisma comet
to be fair i did tell dag to stfu after he refused to be constructive
the discussion started in #archived_feed_us_back btw
reef patrol
As I see it you're both at fault for attacking each other and not the argument xD
prisma comet
how am i supposed to attack the argument when he doesn't provide one ?
reef patrol
Well it definitely isn't an excuse to attack HIM ๐
If he can't offer arguments...just... end it there.
prisma comet
i really dont like the idea of leaving "all your points are wrong" uncommented at the end, and also i wouldnt consider please either start being constructive or stfu a personal attack (except for the implied you are not being constructive, but that should be fair game)
thing is, the last time he did that i replied with can you elaborate? that statement alone isn't very helpful to which he replied (now deleted): no, sorry. you have to do the research for yourself and i really didn't want to have that again
fickle ore
You are free to call me not being constructive as much as you want, I don't mind that. But you telling me to stfu on multiple occasions and calling me making a fool of myself is pretty hostile, which is why I dropped the conversation. Also referencing my deleted posts or pasts conversations in a public channel is not nice. Some of it are deleted for reasons (less drama and even seeing myself that I were pretty unconstructive) and some because cba
Now just leave it, all is fine
On the reason why to not use PS/2 and me telling you to research again.. Yeah in hindsight should've just stayed quiet, but wanted to tell you there is more to it.. But wasn't ready to devote time to write multiple paragraphs as to the why. Because I think we get that exact question like once a week and I've already answered it like 3 times already in this discord aswell..
cursive summit
Yeaah Pleasant's going to lose his/her temper with you lot 
fickle ore
As for why not PS/2 for mouse movement: PS/2 is capped at 250hz (4ms intervals) which is hit pretty early at low moving speeds. The protocol on modern boards isn't good either as it goes to SUPERIO chip first, then chipset then DMI then CPU so there are lots of hops and possibly goes through pci briges which all add additional latency. Modern boards might not even do interrupt anymore, PS/2 might be polled. For keyboards... If PS/2 is indeed interrupt based still, the packets are much smaller than usb packets and take longer to send. 1 packet usually contains 1 key, and in some cases 1 key needs 2 packets. Each key event takes like 1ms to send (actuation and release) so USB FS might be faster due to being 0-1ms and being direct link from peripheral <-> cpu atleast on Ryzen. USB HS is 8khz so 0.0625hz avg and 0.125ms max so definitely faster than PS/2.
wheat plume
TIL Windows has automatic weekly SSD trimming
ashen spindle
..yes?
wheat plume
didnt know this...
wheat plume
How do we choose what form is loaded when you run the project for WPF?
crimson wigeon
Probably that StartupUri thing
wheat plume
o.. one sec
ashen spindle
or remove it there and do it in the startup function if you dont want to control it from xml
zenith sonnet
Oh wow, shots've been fired today
ashen spindle
are you just showing us you got an error orr...?
wheat plume
Yeah
idk if my code is broken or the database isnt working
because its the other guy meant to make the database
ashen spindle
I mean first of I'd delete the picture and hide the IP
unless that is some public server ip
ashen spindle
then I'd advise you actually read an error when you get one, bc this is one of the most clear ones you could get
wheat plume
cant connect to host
means his db is down or he didnt add the option to connect from anywhere
ashen spindle
maybe for the time you can host an empty db yourself so you can work on it? idk if thats worth the time but worth considering
wheat plume
last time he wasnt online he said it was because he was masterbating .-.
why TF we set him in charge of the most important part?
ashen spindle
... that sounds like something I'd screencap/record just incase the project has some issue and you need to show the teacher your part is fine lmao
wheat plume
yeah....
idk if my part is fine
thats the issue, its either my code not working or his DB
I may make my own :/
analog aspen
@ashen spindle being coding guru
tranquil bluff
what is the best keyboard
vast moss
That's a broad question, and especially due to its broadness, the answer is quite subjective. Since you're in a community server for a company that makes keyboards, I'm guessing the popular answer would be something from Wooting, but really, it's whatever works best for you that's the best keyboard. The smooth switches and PBT keycaps may be a draw to the Lekker Edition (or now the Hall Edition, since LE is sold out, even though HE uses ABS keycaps), but for many people it's just too big, so the best for them may be something smaller. Alternatively, if you like and can procure a 60% keyboard with really smooth switches, maybe that'd be, except some people can't go without some of the keys the 60%, so they wouldn't like it.
If you want help getting recommendations, info on what you like in a keyboard and how much each feature/detail matters would be very useful information. For example, maybe you don't care how smooth/scratchy the switches are as long as the board is a particular size, or keycap material doesn't matter but you think RGB backlighting is naught more than a gimmick.
vast moss
Also, keyboard discussion is best taken to #archived_keebs_talk, so if you want further guidance, it'd probably be more welcome there
hardy idol
Does anyone know how tall the first part of a Rode PSA1 is
ashen spindle
zenith sonnet
Why throw away perfectly good jackets?
pale sigil
I agree Ruth that
ashen spindle
ah seems to not be amd but something else, still funny though
reef patrol
That jacket looks nothing like 2019's ones.
I smell lies.
Or rather - They are 2020 jackets but a sponsor pulled out or was kicked and they figured why waste them.
ashen spindle
yea it seems to be weichei and not amd under there
misty pier
https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-400-the-70-desktop-pc/ now this is kind of cool
ashen spindle
you can get a gpu and put it in your current system, see if you then even want to upgrade still
pale sigil
@Quintosh im dead set on a new build regardless, its just I'd rather not make a new system and have to wait for the new GPU and in the meantime use my 1070ti.
I wanted to try and sell my system as a whole
ashen spindle
Nice tag ๐ท
ashen spindle
Reviews on the 18th so decide then
pale sigil
But then I have to worry about the new cpus ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ
If I don't try buy one at launch I probably won't be able to get one for a whole
While
ashen spindle
No?
pale sigil
Do you really think ryzen won't have stock issues
ashen spindle
yes
I got my 8600k a couple days after launch and the only thing being harder to get so far has been the 10900k mostly
bc intel can just barely make any chips for that
pale sigil
I mean
ashen spindle
then you are probably not aiming for the 5950x
so you are not even going for the best binned chip, so that issue wont be there
pale sigil
The current market is so overhyped lol
zenith sonnet
I'm aiming 5950X
Not that I expect to need anything more than a 5800X
It's just that I want it.
fickle ore
Recommend me a x570 or b550 mobo in the 200-300$โฌ category
ashen spindle
last page has tables with different sorting options
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12072/best-motherboards for a smaller but more recent one
ashen spindle
idk im waiting for zen3 review then look at what I need
dont have any specific needs so I think I'll only look at having enouhg usb ports
ashen spindle
no not really, I just dont plan to buy on release day lol
since im also waiting for rx6800 reviews
no point in making a list and then when I hit buy its sold out
fickle ore
weird those listings dont have tomahawk
fickle ore
tru but even that october 2020 roundup missing it
ashen spindle
might have been out of stock or too high price there? idk
but yeah, I'll probably make a list myself end of next week so I just need to see what gpu to add after that
ashen spindle
then again maybe I should get it all before the gpu bc more people will buy stuff there, guess I will do make my list this weekend then
fickle ore
@ashen spindle ye i think its better to buy now with educated guessing
bcoz when you see reviews in couple days for e.g ram might dry up.. idk how much high bin b-die there is left
ashen spindle
well I'm definitely not buying on launch day, I'm still fine on my 8600k
I need a new gpu, but cpu upgrade is more for the extra little bit + better work performance
and that I then maybe if I find time can reuse my previos system as a server or smth
old marlin
welcome to germany
crisp granite
bruh
that's on par with what I get
but I get my ass reamed on price too
what do you pay for that?
old marlin
100Mbit
reef patrol
I pay 45โฌ a month for 500/500
cursive summit
@reef patrol 600/200 15 euros ๐
reef patrol
Our fiber still isn't super cheap. I'd still want syncronous speeds though ๐
cursive summit
But I have seen more impressive offerings in Romania
1000/1000 for 10 euros I think?
reef patrol
Neat.
Sweden is where the cheap speeds are at in my region. At least in cities.
I can get 1000/1000 for not a lot more. BUT - I need to pay 150 bucks or so for better cables and a technician to come out and do it.
cursive summit
As a one time payment that doesn't sound too bad of a deal eh? ๐
Unless your residence is far from permanent || current speed is enough
reef patrol
I also need to pay a higher monthly fee of course ๐
reef tundra
In romania you do need to tap into the internet yourself from the pole
lol
at least in cluj-napoca
better than the isp not bothering to install those poles
reef tundra
Colours
ashen spindle
wow useless ARM macs
reef tundra
RISCV gang
ashen spindle
x86 till death, glory for mama
crimson wigeon
Finally
crisp granite
shadow minnow
Kill x86 then, so it dead now, and quinty joins ARM gang
ashen spindle
you only care about arm because apple started using it
you dont even know what the difference is
shadow minnow
ARM could really be better for notebooks. Not sure if it can beat desktop CPUs though. But heard some great things about arm MacBooks from reliable leakers
you dont even know what the difference is
@ashen spindle I do. I am apple fan, but also tech enthusiast, so I do ๐
ashen spindle
mhm sure
reef tundra
what are the RISC principles?
shadow minnow
I mean, really. If I did not know much about tech I probably would not spend so much time on tech discords daily. Idk why you think I do not know anything about arm. I just think it can be better for notebooks, and not sure about desktops though..
reef tundra
Acorn Risc Machine was the original meaning btw.
How would it be better for notebooks and not desktops?
shadow minnow
I mean, itโs main advantage is power efficiency
reef tundra
its main advantage is much lower instruction count
shadow minnow
That also is one of main advantages.
So it probably will take some time to see arm in high end
reef tundra
AWS is running mostly on their custom ARM chips. https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/graviton/
crisp granite
I'm making a steam game drive in advance
should I have an install of steam with the games on the drive or just the games?
crimson wigeon
What do you think you would prefer?
crisp granite
ease of use
crimson wigeon
Then go with just the games
crisp granite
and steam will recognize the games?
crimson wigeon
Of course
crisp granite
ok
I'm trusting you
I'm gonna test this real quick
it works
good
now to do this with a few hundred gigabytes of games
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore Super happy with my X570 Aorus Master. Should be in the 250-300โฌ range
zenith sonnet
It's not even among the expensive ones
There are plenty X570 boards in the 500-1000โฌ range
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet I wish I could get aorus master for 250-300.. Its 400โฌ here
zenith sonnet
Was it?
I need to check
You're right, I paid 360โฌ. Mixed up the price with my RAM
wheat plume
the fucking azure repo thing goes reallllyy in depth into commit changes
crimson wigeon
Uh.... that's just standard version control stuff
reef tundra
git blame
ashen spindle
Uh.... that's just standard version control stuff
pretty much
would be useless otherwise
fickle ore
Wait im stupid af
if I enter my credit card as a payment method in amazon, and I purchase from amazon marketplace, does the 3rd party seller see my credit card info?
fickle ore
email?
ashen spindle
uhh I don't think so, maybe if they sell it over amazon but not through them, gotta check faq there but I think not on default
sounds like something gdpr would prevent
fickle ore
hrm alright
wheat plume
SlackBot is neat :D tells me when someone or myself comits stuff to the azure repo
ashen spindle
wow email notifications as a bot, what magical technology
wheat plume
Dont even get notifications for that
ashen spindle
yes the joke was it's the same thing just in form of a bot message instead of an email
ashen spindle
yes but it's nothing magical or new or anything xD
tender sparrow
Been using it for a while, but both me and the lead dev are too busy with life to actually update the bot anymore
ashen spindle
I know, im just cynical bc what else should I comment there
fickle ore
@ashen spindle just ordered patriot vipers 4400/c19 bin for 129โฌ from amazon, free shipping promo :))
ashen spindle
sounds like you got scammed, shipping is basically almost free above 20$
fickle ore
you are clearly not versed in european pricing
ashen spindle
I mean I dont remember the last time I paid for shipping
ashen spindle
ah, not in-country shipping ok, assumed regional amazon
fickle ore
there is no regional amazon, closest uk or de
ashen spindle
huh thats unexpected
well in that case it sounds like a decent deal, should be doing well at whatever timings zen3 works best at
fickle ore
Yupp! There were some german shops pricing them at 115โฌ but included shipping (28euro) ๐
also only like less than 5 at stock so I expect those bins to sell out
thick elk
de used to be the amazon delivering to the netherlands, now we have our own with the same german sellers as before.
urban lynx
lol
wheat plume
Fucking hell this motherboard is an absolute unit
pale sigil
Doesn't look that mad
looks pretty average minus the m2 slot covers which btw is also common
wheat plume
Got to teach them how to build a computer early
She's so adorable :DD
She just wanted apples and then asked if she could help
pale sigil
go to bed lana
wheat plume
No u
reef tundra
oh ooh
wheat plume
HAH!!
reef tundra
snaps are a scam anyways
reef tundra
pacman
wheat plume
I'm depressed .-.
I have to use Ubuntu
Until the next nvidia drivers come out to support kernel 5.9
Then back to arch
reef tundra
why?
wheat plume
Cause nvidia drivers + 5.9 = no work
Nvidia said their update sometime "mid November" will fix it
reef tundra
then tell pacman to ignore the drives/kernel
wheat plume
I didn't know that before the update
I saw the article after it broke
Looking up what happened
reef tundra
thats why you backup before you bork it
wheat plume
I have a single 255gb ssd for Linux
I can't back up
reef tundra
or have a second kernel waiting for action
lol
cant you chroot into it and downgrade the kernel/driver?
wheat plume
I tried reinstalling the os
No good
It installs updated during the os install so when I rebooted it was already in 5.9
cant you chroot into it and downgrade the kernel/driver?
@reef tundra downgrading kernel borked the drivers and I ended up with nouveau
reef tundra
then downgrade them both?
wheat plume
I did
I even tried purging the drivers
Then installing them again
Once the kernel had been downgraded
reef tundra
that is one weird problem
reef tundra
amd time
reef tundra
its even a better deal for next gen
wheat plume
Full AMD build
The Ryzen 5 and AMD GPU
reef tundra
im just lazy with updatin so still running the 5.8.14 kernel
reef tundra
That is why an lazy programmer is a good programmer
misty pier
yeah I might switch out for a radeon card someday
don't really use much from the nvidia cards aside from nvenc
old marlin
fml my brother asked me if I can put a custom rom on his nvidia shield
how tf are android modding people so bad at documenting shit
ashen spindle
@fickle ore it seems like the IF on zen3 is exactly the same, no clock or latency changes
old marlin
tutorials are consisting of "just install it 
"
chrome estuary
I mean... Flash TWRP
old marlin
yea
chrome estuary
Install through twrp
old marlin
where tf do I put the TWRP image
chrome estuary
Good fuckin luck boyo
chrome estuary
IDK shit about the shield
chrome estuary
Uh
old marlin
I Put it in there
chrome estuary
Make one
chrome estuary
Send me the guide or whatever you're using
old marlin
https://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/complete-guide-shield-tablet-k1-root-t3315965
best one I have found so far
the other ones were "install it"
even the official one was like that
chrome estuary
Uh just open adb in a folder containing the img file?
chrome estuary
See I've never done shit like this with a device other than samsung which just uses Odin
Sure Odin is a flaming piece of shit
But it... Sometimes works kindly
old marlin
I have only done it on a nexus
fickle ore
@ashen spindle no substrate changes for better signal integrity?
old marlin
it is a single click on that
ashen spindle
seems to be as if its just zen2 die with chiplets swapped for zen3
old marlin
oh okay
they just used powershell cause they thought it was fancy
doesn't fucking work though
cmd was the answer
ashen spindle
now granted, it's a sample size of 1 chip so far, but it's realitvely unlikely that is stuck on zen2 values and the others arent
chrome estuary
Oh my God I didn't even fucking notice that you were in PS
old marlin
same people that join betas for the sake of using the newest version
chrome estuary
I wish nvidia would've made an updated tablet with the X1 chip
fickle ore
@ashen spindle he just got a bad piece. doubt they would market 4000 as what 3800 were for zen 2, atleast thats what I want to believe
but its fine either way
that vid is also about 5600x so maybe only 5800x/5900/5950 bins that hit there
ashen spindle
could be, but that shouldn't change anything about IO die and its connection
fickle ore
2 more days to go ๐
ashen spindle
now ofc it could be he got an early production sample that is a bit lower, but I wouldn't be surprised if we only see handfull of 2000 clocks at all
fickle ore
yeah 2000 gonna be rare on 5600x feels like
ashen spindle
maybe a 2 chiplet config is better here for some weird reason
could be, no clue, that is way too low level for me to guess lol
fickle ore
idk if they bin IO-dies to already better binned cpu's before creating the chips
maybe
ashen spindle
for 100mzh differences? sounds like a waste of money tbh
fickle ore
shrug ๐
old marlin
@chrome estuary I went from having the wrong device id to having the wrong zip format
why tf do they make it this fucking complicated
shadow minnow
chrome estuary
God damn dude
ashen spindle
sounds like you're having a fun day 
old marlin
a very fun day
because none of those fucks are able to document how and why something happens
everything can have 7 billion causes
but essentially it is always user error
because the "zip is invalid"
even though it works as intended in any other case
yea from all I know it has to be a corrupted file now
which can't really be possible since I tried 2 different downloads
I should also mention that the tool they use in a tutorial to remove parts of a script that can throw rthe code is some app based bullshit
crimson wigeon
Any text editor will do
old marlin
yea i know
crimson wigeon
Preferably one on your PC
old marlin
too bad that I can't use any text editor
cause my zip file gets invalid
I used notepad since I can use that without unzipping
didn't help though
still get the same error
crimson wigeon
Interesting, can't help you further since I haven't done any of this stuff in a while!
shadow minnow
I need help with C++.
I have never done anything in C++ before
And now I want to make simple app to set monitor brightness based on ambient light in room.
I can connect Ambient light sensor to arduino, and write readings as one number to serial port.
I however have no idea how to read arduino serial port, and set brightness.
If I knew these two things I would probably be able to set up all the calculations.... myself, but no idea how to do these two things, tutorials not helping.
ashen spindle
that doesn't sounds like something you need to use c++ for, surely you can use something easier to access the interface/api of the arduino?
shadow minnow
I do not need to do much with arduino, just read the serial port. The bigger problem is setting brightness..
I could maybe try sth in arduino app, but serial port should be able to be accessed even from C++, and I want to make it standalone app so it boots up every time I turn on pc.
cursive summit
Rip Userbenchmark
HAH
Someone changed the scores
Holy shit the delusionality
ashen spindle
yeah uselessbenchmark should be trashed
I do not need to do much with arduino, just read the serial port. The bigger problem is setting brightness..
I could maybe try sth in arduino app, but serial port should be able to be accessed even from C++, and I want to make it standalone app so it boots up every time I turn on pc.
@shadow minnow ok but you don't need to learn c++ if you just want to change some setting
reef tundra
c (and c++) can read serialports in linux by filehandling(file.h) and the device file in /dev.
never done it in windows however it most likely uses the com ports and win32.
The baudrate(bits/seconds), start bits, stopbits, parity should match with eachother.
halcyon moss
shield tablet? i have one!
shadow minnow
So how to make app to do what I want, in what programming language? @ashen spindle
reef tundra
What os are you running, or what os does the application run on?
ashen spindle
idk what you already know or want to do, but python, batch or something along those lines seems much more reasonable for something this small
ashen spindle
forgot a space?
old marlin
no
the newest and latest fucking TWRP version was faulty
and they never cared to fix it
or just delete it entirely
ashen spindle
lmao
shadow minnow
What os are you running, or what os does the application run on?
@reef tundra planning to do it for windows
reef tundra
could be a start to look at this article when going for C(++) in windows: https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/992/Serial-library-for-C. Python would also work with the pyserial library if the project is simple and runtime performance is not crusial.
ashen spindle
I just think its overkill to learn c++ if you just want to change some values via an arduino, unless you want to use the project to start learning c++
reef tundra
in linux it is much easier to read and write with serial devices
windows makes use of their api instead of files
ashen spindle
I mean you can use excel to talk to it, dont think it's that much harder on windows
shadow minnow
I just want to read one value on certain baud rate. Just one value every few ms though serial port.
ashen spindle
yeah if you are new to C languages just look up what other people use in terms of scripting and use that (pythong, JS, batch or whatever) should be easy to figure out
will save you a lot of troubleshooting of unrelated issues
reef tundra
you mean bash?
ashen spindle
uh yeah, hate that they sound so similar
though with some trickery batch might work too lmao
reef tundra
vbscript for the vintage users
wheat plume
You cant put spaces in a WPF text box???
it wont lemme type a space in here after tje 5
ashen spindle
have you tried the first google result..
wheat plume
no good
ashen spindle
anything in the properties, is it your textbox, did you set it up to trim or use a regex or something
ashen spindle
I genuinely don't know how to reply sometimes, you need to read what you post and ask about, it is quite clear what it does and doesnt do
ashen spindle
..yes obviously?
I genuinely don't know how to reply sometimes, you need to read what you post
wheat plume
It's a valid password
ashen spindle
not according to what you posted
wheat plume
Over 7 chars
Special character
Number
ashen spindle
yeah I dont see a number
wheat plume
I added number
No good still
ashen spindle
then I guess something is wrong, again, idk what you expect, I can't mindread your code or assume whats going on from a picture that shows nothing
wheat plume
yeah one moment, ill send code
wait, I dont nee dot validate the second password field, there is a check to make sure that it is the same text as the first box
HAH! thats good
halcyon moss
I wonder how you validate the email.. :p
zenith sonnet
When are getting benchmarks?
ashen spindle
if(input == "valid@email.com") return true;
halcyon moss
hehe Quintosh
wheat plume
odd how it doesnt have syntax highlighting for this
ashen spindle
tbh im surprised making custom syntax highlight is not the first thing you did
crimson wigeon
Yes if it's not causing heavy GPU / CPU load it's not a GUI worth using
wheat plume
look at those ugly winforms
@halcyon moss WPF this time :/
but pretty much work the same
fickle ore
@ashen spindle btw msi x570 tomahawk stocked again at amazon sold by amazon at 185โฌ, everywhere else 225โฌ for me lol
just bought one
ashen spindle
lol nice
fickle ore
for 185โฌ cant go wrong lmao
ashen spindle
yeah definitely
fickle ore
it shows 4600 ram OC on the msi website so I'm guessing its daisy chain mobo
unify-x shows 5100 ram OC.. does that mean better signal integrity for the pcb?
ashen spindle
I think the unify only has 2 ram slots
halcyon moss
dont need more than 2 tbh
wheat plume
Tries to delete a form in not using anymore in my project
Run project, get errors, cant find that form because it thinks another form is calling it but its not
fickle ore
not worth at 300โฌ
old marlin
yea
I'll probably buy a new desktop in late 21 or early 22
so I'll probably get a 6600 or whatever will be the best chip at that point
fickle ore
I ordered that board + 4400/cl19 kit
ashen spindle
at that point just get malder lake
old marlin
ashen spindle
well malder lake is 10nm and slated for end of 21
old marlin
not i5 6600
ashen spindle
also I'm happy about how I just on the spot came up with Malder lake
it will probably be a fitting name
fickle ore
you buying ryzen 5000 series quin?
ashen spindle
yeah, 58 or 59, not sure yet
fickle ore
and yama stop talking me over to waiting for 2022
fickle ore
I got i7 2600k
old marlin
I won't
fickle ore
xD
old marlin
my 9700k is still good
and at that point I will earn a lot more money
and can actually afford stuff
setting aside money for a good pc will be more a thing of 2-3 months instead of a year
ashen spindle
another reason im not buying on release, I'm waiting for all parts to be out so I can buy it via work to save some money, and I dont want to deal with having to explain multiple times what I want instead of just one time lol
fickle ore
also waiting 6+ weeks for Lian li lancool II mesh perf. fucking fuckkity, gotta build in my old case first
zenith sonnet
16 cores at 5.9GHz with 3800 C14 memory? God damn
Usually people use loose memory timings when just going for frequency records
ashen spindle
https://www.aroged.com/2020/11/amd-unveils-instinct-cdna-compute-accelerators-nov-16/ @hardy idol seems lioke 16th is were we will see if instinct is what you can use for solidworks
hardy idol
ye
cursive summit
I like how the CDNA is shaping
Whether AMD will claim the perf crown from Nvidia is also interesting
ashen spindle
I like how the CDNA is shaping
how do you know how its shaping lol
crisp granite
link?
ashen spindle
oh you mean the one leak we got from adored? yeah that is not a realiable source
thats from like 4 months ago
cursive summit
crimson wigeon
DirectML? Absolutely proprietary!
reef patrol
Oh boy. Diving into the deep end. Cancelled my 3080 entirely. Gonna grab a 5800X (probably) and a 6800XT.
ashen spindle
how come, just frustrated with them addressing stock issues?
reef patrol
Mhmm.
Already cancelled my waterblock earlier to be able to do a 14 day return in case the cards were late... but... so far under 50 cards shipped to date of the 3080 TUF I ordered. And just over 1000 ordered by customers.
ashen spindle
still that little? oof
reef patrol
They just received confirmation of a whopping 14 on top of the initial 30 on release day xD
ashen spindle
LOL
reef patrol
The OC variant got a few more - Because of course. Free upsell for them.
But I can't change the variant without losing my spot anyhow.
Probably gonna drain my PC and take out the 2080 and sell that while I can. And then just order stuff and deal with #noGPUlife till then xD
ashen spindle
.. want my 1080? only needs a slight undervolt to not crash during gaming lmao
ashen spindle
2 and some sugar
reef patrol
...you drive a hard bargain.
ashen spindle
but free shipping then
reef patrol
Good thing I don't share accounts with the missus. It's about 1900โฌ in total (before selling things to cover costs) in total for the entire upgrade.
ashen spindle
I think it might just be temperatures and thus the voltage only causing it indirectly tbh
reef patrol
I have a 670 that would run WoW at low settings without issues, but anything more demanding would crash it fast.
It's been used a few times as an emergency card xD
ashen spindle
I think when I get the new rig I'll take a look at it, don't want to take it apart as I dont have paste or anything here
worst case I'll have to sell it at a lower price
don't plan to let it die on me and be junk lmao
crimson wigeon
Oh no you're going to the dark side..
zenith sonnet
@hardy idol If not, I can sell you my VIIs :p
hardy idol
Maybe
wheat plume
https://youtu.be/wTA5Vtp5e3I 13 hours of video streaming???!!!! holy shit
reef tundra
disable the cpu for extra hours
reef tundra
because i am not an amd idiot, forced laugh
ashen spindle
why should they go for amd there
ashen spindle
https://videocardz.com/newz/godfall-requires-12gb-of-vram-for-ultrahd-textures-at-4k-resolution don't worry, 8gb are enough nvidia said
fair gull
linux laptop good and any other laptop not good
wheat plume
How much VRAM you need if you dont play that game in 4k Ultra details?
zenith sonnet
Probably ~7 for the setting below Ultra
AMD could kick Nvidia in the dick so hard if they get devs to make their games need >10 GiB for Ultra textures
But that's just gonna make people spend money on more expensive Nvidia cards with more memory
ashen spindle
you gotta be a bit more specific
hard to say "what do you need on all settings except this one"
would assume if a 1060 is enough for minimum specs, then 6gb is enough
solar hinge
vagrant marsh
uhmm. my rtx 2070 does 65 fps at 1440p in borderlands 3. which suckish cpu did they use?
also, why borderlands 3 nvidia? you know bl3 favors amd
ashen spindle
Are you sure that graph is also 1440p?
vagrant marsh
no, this is
wait...
4k. nevermind
i thought the graph was about rtx and they just put borderlands 3 beneath it as comparisment i already found it a weird graph
no wait
it does say its at 1440p high presets
so....i repeat. my 2070 does 65 fps XD not...50 like it shows
ashen spindle
Probably not at the setting in whatever area they tested it at
ashen spindle
if you canโt wait sure go ahead
reef patrol
Same as Callum ๐
crimson wigeon
Why not 5950x
vagrant marsh
i would agree to go for the 6800xt. the 6900xt is like the 3090, no real reason to go for that one
reef patrol
I game. Lot of added money for... nothing ๐
pale sigil
Why woul i get a 5950x
crimson wigeon
You can never have too much
vagrant marsh
thats a conversation for general ๐
ashen spindle
why wait? because unlike a steam game you can't as easily refund it withing 2 hours if something isnt working
and your current pc works
vagrant marsh
still, costs dont have to be as high as you think, since you can resell your old hardware
if they are worth reselling :p
i got a 3600, which can easily be sold. but i guess not for the 190 bucks i bought it for
ashen spindle
yeah or you just wait A DAY and take a look at options/reviews etc.
cursive summit
I mean Ryzen CPU reviews should come out tomorrow
Though tbh they are unnecessary
Which is a weird thing to say
Ryzen 5000 will kick ass
No question about it
ashen spindle
tomorrow? thought its on launch so in 2 days
cursive summit
I'm speculating but it makes sense to release reviews day before launch
ashen spindle
no?
as a company you want to sell your product so if on release only your slides are known, you can dictate what people know
cursive summit
Sure but usually afaik reviews come a day early
ashen spindle
not really, nvidia likes to split up the reviews so they get double coverage and can also show their performance so they can directly sell the stuff and ignore AiBs since they can make the reviews on them be nda'd till launch
cursive summit
Although looking at YouTube, RX 5700 reviews launched with the cards
Same with Ryzen 3000
So 2 days it is then
reef tundra
Ryzen
cursive summit
Unless someone releases early
pale sigil
@ashen spindle ye you're right
pale sigil
"Claim ยฃ27 cashback and a ยฃ19 Steam card when you buy this produc"
what bizare numbers
zenith sonnet
I'm gonna get a 5950X because I wanted a 3950X to begin with
But luckily didn't manage to get one after launch
pale sigil
WOW
Curry's PC World actually sells proper hardware
finally
hmm i am also considering a 5600x
ashen spindle
probably the right choice for you
pale sigil
lik
the price difference is pretty major
also
thats so retarded
you dfont get far cry 6 with the 5600x
was hoping to recoup
get some money back
ashen spindle
is it even something you would play lmao
pale sigil
i was implying id sell the key
to get some money back
i wish benchmarks came out the day before
ashen spindle
thats why you just wait a day
ashen spindle
every cpu launch has had stock issues
pale sigil
tbf i could return the cpu 14 days after
ashen spindle
but it's not like its gigantic dies like for the gpu market
pale sigil
it is for me because if i get a gpu first
and cpu later i simplly will not use the gpu
till i get the rest of my build
ashen spindle
and if you get cpu first you'll use your current gpu or what
doesnt make sense if you only do it one way but not the other
ashen spindle
idk, for games I argue preordering is fine bc you can can pre load and refund it very easily
but here it make no sense, if there is some issue (not even in a bad sense, could be a different product just makes more sense for you) it is such a bigger hassle to return etc.
ashen spindle
or just wait a bit and maybe still get it shipped on the same day ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
pale sigil
well
tbf
its supposed ot be sold 3pm here
are the reviews going up the moment pre orders go up?
ashen spindle
probably
pale sigil
ashen spindle
@fickle ore you alraedy got your ram but might still be interresting to see how he gets the 5.1 sticks to run https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kG-UAX7KyM
ashen spindle
think its not a thing they are selling
pale sigil
I hate my head
Idk what I want to do
I know from a logical point of view Iโm being retarded
But I really want to make a new build vs just upgrade my gpu and ram
ashen spindle
yes, you will still get a new cpu before you can get a gpu
cpus are smaller, have bigger margin, are made since longer
there is so much more stock
also when I say wait a day I mostly mean wait for reviews on launch day
most likely if you watch when they drop most stores will be overloaded anyway and you cant order for a bit
pale sigil
Well
Scan confirmed 2pm
Overclockers 5pm
So hopefully reviews go up before than
It at 2
ashen spindle
uh, then one of them cant do math and looked at the wrong timezone
I doubt they delay it by 3 hours for themselves lmao
pale sigil
@ashen spindle both are confirmed
ashen spindle
uhhh we'll see I guess
doubt it though
or maybe trump will get mad after results tomorrow and suddenly ban amd from selling outside NA
crisp granite
bruh
that means more stock for me to snag one
but that won't happen
if launch day is within a few weeks, there should be some stock built up in the EU
pale sigil
@ashen spindle it was literally confirmed and advertised by them lol
reef patrol
Oh boye! New case arrived.
cursive summit
For someone looking for a new good display
Just found this on amazon.co.uk pre-Black Friday sales
This looks ridiculously good
reef patrol
Hrm... So the NDA on Ryzen 5000 ends... at the same time as everyone can buy them. Thanks AMD ๐ ๐ฆ
cursive summit
Typical Nvidia practices ๐
ashen spindle
amd intel nvidia, usuall all do this
reef patrol
Naw. You usually have a couple of hours at least.
ashen spindle
not for cpus as far as I can remember, only from nvidia so they get free double coverage for FE/AiB models
but honestly, people only care about it because of the ampere shortage
reef patrol
I mean it's been a while since CPUs dropped last, but I do remember that generally there's always a couple of hours of headstart before sales begin.
So I can skim Youtube reviews and see what I want xD
ashen spindle
otherwise nobody would be worried about stock
reef patrol
Ah well... Guess I'll just have to speedskim tomorrow xD
Not going to spend money on the 5800 if the 5600 gets the same performance in games.
Overclocked that is.
ashen spindle
for pure gaming I'm pretty sure the 600 is the way to go
price/perf you are 100% not getting 150$ worth more fps lol
fickle ore
That's a stupid way to look at it imo. While 5800x won't perform better than 5600x for some reviewed games, the is difference for games that can utilize 8 cores and or realworld scenario with browser/discord/stream on, it will show a difference. Reviews are always without extra software you'd normally use
ashen spindle
for pure gaming
fickle ore
Do you plan to get a 8khz mouse at some point? That will make a difference for that too.
reef patrol
It's not like Discord and Youtube eats up to entire cores ๐
Used to be a lot more relevant when we were lucky to have two cores.
fickle ore
Pure gaming is stupid way to look at it too imo
coz there will be those games that use 8 cores/16 threads
Question is will you play those games or lucky enough to play 6 cores max? And what about 2-5 years into the future?
I get stuttering on a 8T system in games which is alleviated by closing youtube video on firefox, for example Overwatch drops from 250 fps to 150fps
My friend on a 6700k (6/12) gets around 300+ fps which drops alot with discord/firefox youtube video open in the background
reef patrol
Maybe close a few tabs
fickle ore
only 1 tab
reef patrol
But yeah - It's not irrelevant. Just LESS relevant these days
ashen spindle
try disabling hardware accelleration if it eats that much
halcyon moss
i had drops in frames because a page in firefox was auto refreshing...
fickle ore
Ya thats a good point Quintosh
ashen spindle
my 8600k hasn't really shown issue with having my 150+ chrome tabs open or not when gaming
halcyon moss
.. on a amd 3700x
fickle ore
Anyway my point is with 8khz mouse, discord with 10+ servers, firefox, some other crap eating resources.. 8 cpu might or might not improve that situation
apparently spotify is built on a browser too..
reef patrol
I'm you. But bigger.
Don't ever talk to me or my son ever again.
crimson wigeon
Spotify the desktop client is horrifyingly awful yeah
ashen spindle
doesn't change my opinon that you don't get 150$ worth of benefits in gaming when going from 5600 to 5800 :p
reef patrol
I upgrade once a year... maybe two xD
fickle ore
if it improves my frametimes by 20%-30% for those scenarios, for competitive gaming is worth to me
crimson wigeon
I've found that using mpv for youtube vids while doing intense stuff helps a lot, so yes the website is very heavy
fickle ore
@crimson wigeon how do you do that?
crimson wigeon
Drop the URL on it
zenith sonnet
I really need to try that as well
3080 Ti: 3090 with 3080's memory at double capacity
ashen spindle
lets see if this works
lmao of course not
how are you part of making the latests tech but also have to put an ยฎ into your url
pale sigil
Any leaked gaming benchmarks yet
ashen spindle
of what
pale sigil
Of the new CPUs xD
crimson wigeon
https://pcisig.com/pcieยฎ-60-specification-version-05-now-available-members easy just convert it to the % codes
ashen spindle
yeah or just make it a normal fucking url