Eh, I've been using SSDs since 2009
#🔌│tech
zenith sonnet
hard thicket
same here, and mine is still alive
zenith sonnet
I remember paying 280€ for a 128 GiB Sata2 G.Skill Falcon :p
Yeah, mine's alive, too
reef tundra
it looks like that would get you a 2 tb m.2 ssd nowadays, they have gotton cheap nowadays
reef tundra
yes
m.2 can also be connected to the pcie bus at different locations. Some even expose the cpu pcie lanes, which are even faster over the chipset lanes.
misty saffron
imagine not having an 8tb drive in your pc
hard thicket
wdym, shoved in 20tb into my 16.5L case
elder jackal
guess who almost just broke a ribbon cable
reef tundra
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neat oriole
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hard thicket
what ribbon cable 
hard thicket
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402022888582152192/771441421185581087/video0.mov my pc doing mating sounds
true quest
nah that's dial up sound ver 3.1
ashen spindle
reef patrol
reef tundra
More caps == more smoothness
reef tundra
yes
zenith sonnet
reef tundra
meme
neat oriole
What do you mean no folds in his hands
neat oriole
You mean the fixed the panels
old marlin
no
neat oriole
It’s still modular?
old marlin
these
they are almost gone
also how are they modular when there is only one option
or does anyone use them without the panels
neat oriole
I thought when you said ridges you meant the gaps between the side panels
neat oriole
Idk those creases never bothered me
Looks like they flared out the right button a bit
old marlin
yea
old marlin
will be 2021 at the earliest
with their current track record more like 2022 though
if not later
and by that tiem we will have a lot more interesting mice in the same category
that just trump it in every category
neat oriole
Well I really liked the 600 shape so I’ll have a go at it probably
I mean most of the modern mice don’t really have any actual differentiating factors except shape
Weight is a thing but that’s more of a subjective thing
neat oriole
I would argue clicks are also subjective
old marlin
well
partially
there are subjective parts
there are objective parts
mad post travel is never a good thing
just makes it hard to use in general
neat oriole
Probably but that also depends on what kind of games you play, I imagine not being able to click super fast is probably something moba players might mind
old marlin
no
neat oriole
Moba players probably don’t want slower click speed
old marlin
mad post trabel just inhibits you from clicking when you want to
cause you accidentally kept the button pressed
and the entire movement of it happened post travel
neat oriole
You just relax your finger between clicks I don’t see how someone would accidentally hold when they wanted to tap
neat oriole
Was your spring broken or something?
neat oriole
Idk what that is
old marlin
and no support
neat oriole
I know the gun sks
neat oriole
Lol
neat oriole
Damn EU laws
old marlin
I have 3 different trash cans + sacks for recyclable stuff that is not paper
neat oriole
I have 4
neat oriole
Food, garbage, recycling (paper/plastic), glass
neat oriole
Our garbage collectors take glass so
old marlin
it is biological, paper, rest and recyclable
old marlin
and glass goes in different containers
neat oriole
Same
old marlin
with 80% return rate
no there are communal glass containers
liek that
which also separate in 3 or 4 kinds of glass
neat oriole
We have a green bin for food waste and compost things, a regular can for non-recyclable waste, a blue bin for paper/cardboard/plastics, and a grey bin for glass
Oh also tin cans
In the blue bin
old marlin
oh and in addition the bottle return system
neat oriole
Yeah super markets here take them
old marlin
where all plastic bottles and tin cans go here under 3 liters
neat oriole
A lot of the things we buy have a recycling fee in the price
old marlin
only the case for bottles and cans here
neat oriole
Which you get back when you “sell” the bottle/carton/whatever back to the store
neat oriole
Yeah usually only paper cartons and glass bottles
Large pop soda bottles just go in the recycling
It’s pretty neat
The imprint the date the glass bottle was made
Sometimes you get pretty old ones
I got one from the early 00s, surprised it survived that long without a scratch of any sorts
Makes you wonder how many times it’s been filled up
Anyhow
Mice
I like that they lowered the dpi switch button
crimson wigeon
Because sniper mode
neat oriole
No it’s just that the taller dpi button was too easy to hit accidentally when middle clicking
I don’t switch DPI in game but I sometimes need a really low dpi for productivity stuff
old marlin
I just use 800 everywhere
neat oriole
Oh and in overwatch sometimes you just need that 16000dpi to spin like a beyblade
neat oriole
What’s 4g
ashen spindle
Smh not even 5G
ashen spindle
I don’t leave the house so I get WiFi-G
old marlin
same
neat oriole
Yeah but before you get 4g coverage we’re gonna push 5g mkay?
old marlin
yea
reef tundra
What about 6g then
neat oriole
By the time we reach 20% 5g coverage we’ll just switch everyone over to 6g
old marlin
yea
neat oriole
reef tundra
But can we keep 3g to confuse the karens on what the 5g antenna is
neat oriole
No we rebrand 5g as 3G++
old marlin
by the time 7g arrives you won't get any connection
reef tundra
neat oriole
Nah 7g is brain chip with personal satellite powered by Elon Musk
Unskipable ads tho
reef tundra
Will it have decoy antennas then?
old marlin
fuck satellite internet
neat oriole
Your hairs will be antennas
reef tundra
sounds kinky
neat oriole
Rip bald people
old marlin
who would win, satellite internet or one fucking cloud
force of nature, i'm telling you
reef tundra
the asshole broadcasting all channels
neat oriole
I think we should stop at 5g
reef tundra
3g is plenty fast
neat oriole
Nah 3G kinda slow imo
old marlin
not when it is turned off
neat oriole
4g speeds is good
ashen spindle
it's not just about speed though
reef tundra
5g has the range thing(its tiny compared to other gens)
neat oriole
That’s only sub mil
neat oriole
Yeah but I’m pretty sure 4g still has better range than sub 6 5g right?
Or whatever the slower 5g is called
Which is supposed to be more stable than 4g
reef tundra
4g has better range than 5g due to having lower rf waves
neat oriole
But like you couldn’t even get 4g coverage down after how many years?
And you want everyone to switch to 5g with less coverage and no tangible benefit unless you wanted to stream a 4K HDR Bluray?
reef tundra
dont have the data and i find 3g speeds fine, mobile data is pricy
reef tundra
2g time
reef tundra
brah
old marlin
so ig I am glad I am at work or at home 90% of the tiem
neat oriole
3G I find a bit laggy, so 4g is a sweet spot for me
reef tundra
4g as supposed replacement *if the isp cares enough to replace
old marlin
uh yeaaaa
no not really
reminds me
my phone contract runs out soon after I get a real job
should be late may iirc
I probably gotta switch to telekom as much as I hate them
urban lynx
we will light a candle for our loss when you're gone, dw 
old marlin
?
old marlin
lol
halcyon moss
5g is on exactly the same freq range as 4g.
but then there is also the 5g millimeter wave indeed, but that's only line of sight
vast moss
I'm thinking of upgraing my montor; are there recommendations for a monitor with a refresh rate above 60 (preferably 120/144)? I found for $170 an ASUS VG249Q, which has a few features I could use, such as FreeSync (if I switch to an AMD GPU, I suppose) and rotation on the stand: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-tuf-gaming-23-8-ips-led-fhd-freesync-monitor-black/6395359.p but I welcome alternatives, preferably under US$200 but I might be willing to spend up to $250 if I really like an option.
Specs I'm looking for: 1080p or 1440p, 120+Hz, 22"-27"
Nice to haves: either a stand with rotation (CCW preferred) or VESA compatibility (so I can potentially find another stand), passthrough USB ports, Adaptive Sync (Would likely benefit most from G-Sync, at least for now, but FreeSync should be OK too)
I currently have a Dell P2219H which is a nice inexpensive 1080p60 display (OC to 75Hz) but I think it may be time to grab something with higher refresh rate, especially if I want to try to get one of the new GPUs from either NV or AMD
cursive summit
@vast moss 144Hz 1080p FreeSync panels are possible at that price point
vast moss
In fact, I'm looking at one
cursive summit
1440p 144fps are a bit out of the price range
Also l, Gsync?
You aren't gonna find Gsync at that pricepoint
Why do you even need Gsync?
FreeSync > Gsync
vast moss
That's what I was afraid of; I was talking over in a GPU stock update server and someone mentioned I should try to get a 1440p144, but I don't know if that's the kind of money I want to spend, even if I get a 3070 or 6800.
My use case would probably be max-setting gaming (not all the most demanding titles, but some heavier ones, I think) and GC/Wii/WiiU emulation, as well as occasional F@H tasks
And I figured I wouldn't see G-Sync at this price point. Just figured it'd be a nice-to-have if I have an NV GPU, but I don't mind not having it
vast moss
Some displays are, but the one I linked to not quite
vast moss
Understandable
cursive summit
Which died when Nvidia made FreeSync compatible with their cards
But if you live in America
vast moss
(I do)
cursive summit
The market is quite different there so if you are lucky
You might get a 1440p144Hz
vast moss
I found one 1440p144 on Amazon for $250, but the features are kind of lacking for what I'd like to see in a display.
cursive summit
What state do you live in?
vast moss
Wisconsin
cursive summit
CALLED IT
vast moss
Oh?
vast moss
Was it in the way I spoke?
halcyon moss
he could tell by your accent
cursive summit
Unlucky, Microcenter doesn't have a division in Wisconsin
vast moss
Yeah, I checked earlier as I was clamoring for a 3070
cursive summit
Do they ship?
vast moss
he could tell by your accent
maybe not the accent, but wording maybe
cursive summit
I just woke up so my grammar isn't quite there yet
vast moss
Do they ship?
Few items. Unfortunately not a 3070. There was one they shipped, and I almost got it, except it was cancelled at the end of the checkout process after waiting almost an hour. Apparently it wasn't even supposed to be listed though.
cursive summit
Well I can't really check right now
old marlin
for what 
chrome estuary
Because I also want a PS5 and I'm paying dad's laptop off for the next 5 months
cursive summit
But just for the memes I kinda want the 6900XD
chrome estuary
I might go for the 6800XT when real life benchmarks and shit come out
vast moss
I'm thinking of waiting for 6800 benchmarks, but if I can't secure a 3070 I'll probably go for that
I might even wait to purchase a 3070 until I see what the 6800 is capable of, just so I know on which it'd be better to spend my money.
chrome estuary
I really don't care about the brand. Good quality and raw power is what I want.
I kinda want to do some RTX shit when Cyberpunk drops in the next decade
vast moss
I do want to make use of ray-tracing, but I don't know what titles I have or would get that would support the feature. Maybe Minecraft RTX, unless that's a separate purchase from regular Minecraft
chrome estuary
I tried to do minecraft RTX but my windows version was out of date since I'm on LTSC
vast moss
Ouch
chrome estuary
Yeah I bought dad a laptop with a 10th gen intel and 2070. It's nice.
vast moss
If I have non-RTX Minecraft, do I have to rebuy it for RTX, or can I enable RTX on my "normal" version?
chrome estuary
I think you just need the win 10 copy of minecraft
Which I remember getting for free
But I've had minecraft since the dawn of fuckin time
So I don't really know why or how
vast moss
I've had MC since 2012(?), MC10 since launch when it was still free for Java version players
Maybe 2013; idr
pale sigil
You need bedrock/w10 edition
You get it for free when you linked your mc account with mojang
“After Monday, April 20th, 2020, customers who purchased Minecraft Java Edition before October 19th, 2018 will no longer be able to redeem their free version of Minecraft for Windows 10 token code”
F
halcyon moss
@pale sigil how about Bob?
vast moss
I got the W10E already, when it was recently announced, so I'm good on that front
Also, re: monitor selection, I found another that was $10 more but offered more ergonomic options (at least wider swivel) and didn't have the gamery look, so I might go for that: ViewSonic XG2405 (https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824116986)
ashen spindle
wow supply is so low, they are sending Qualification samples to reviewers for the 3070 lmao https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1321901250275905548
ashen spindle
yup, which is nice, last decade was a bit too green
fair gull
ya no green lets do red
ashen spindle
#noGreenDeal
pale sigil
Damn it nvidia are making it difficult to justify me dealing with that shit
reef patrol
hard thicket
just wait for amd's supply, because of the whole covid bullshitery their supply might be also bad
ashen spindle
nah they are restrained by having maxed out TSMC wafer supply
covid doesnt really change much there
hard thicket
but TSMC doesn't do everything duh
ashen spindle
it's the only bottleneck in the chain
zenith sonnet
@vast moss From own experience I can say, spending ~500 bucks on a monitor is quite worth it. There's some really nice displays like the LG 27GL850 and other monitors that use the same panel, and the difference is well worth it imo. You'll have much better colours, but most noticeably better motion response and lower delay.
hard thicket
probably the highest after all those years
ashen spindle
sure, I merely said covid isn't affecting their supply, I didn't say anything else
hard thicket
indeed
zenith sonnet
I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad the 6900 XT is releasing last
I'm also still not sure if the extra 350€ are well spent on that card...
Most likely not
hard thicket
from a gaming standpoint if you want the best possible, it prolly is the best choice there
unlike the 3090 which i'd recommend rather to content creators
because who the fuck needs 24gb vram for gaming
ashen spindle
because who the fuck needs 24gb vram for gaming
people who like to keep a 4k game running while playing a different one
hard thicket
or jumping on the 8K Meme
but i like that the 6900xt added a type c port
no idea why nvidia ditched that out
pale sigil
It did?
ashen spindle
think all 3 do?
hard thicket
they do ?
ashen spindle
oh I can tell you why nvidia skipped it
hard thicket
most partner models dont
ashen spindle
a) the virtual link standard is dead, nobody used it after it was made
b) they have no room left for it in the power budget
hard thicket
well it was after all still a extra type c port for all possible usage
not just for VR thats the fun part
ashen spindle
it was primarily added for VR
pale sigil
It was nice just using USB C for my quest
ashen spindle
Index wanted to use it but they dropped it for technical issues
ashen spindle
and since it can draw up to 30?Watts I believe, nvidia just killed it because they needed to max out the power the gpu could use
hard thicket
yeah that might me the reason
ashen spindle
doubt it was usb3 that caused the issues
if anything usb4 would make that worse, bandwidth wasnt the issue
pale sigil
Kinda annoying having a million cables
hard thicket
nah not at all, but the type c port can be also used as display output
pale sigil
Though tbh the rift s only had 2 due to internal tracking
USB is a terrible standard for monitor cables
hard thicket
for my portable pc it's quite a life saver
needing only one cable to power up the monitor and display output
point is, having more type c ports ain't thaaat bad depending on what you do
zenith sonnet
Oh wait wait wait wait wait
I just remembered reading something about the 6000 series cards only have 2x DP?
hard thicket
yup
zenith sonnet
WHY
hard thicket
no idea
zenith sonnet
Now I need to find a reference AIB model with 3 DP >.>
hard thicket
wait for partner models
i remember 5700xt partner models with like 6 outs on the IO
5 dp 1 hdmi or something
zenith sonnet
I also read something about there potentially not being partner models for the 6900 XT?
ashen spindle
I don't think just because its the same size you should expect an AiB card with 6 ports lol
hard thicket
that was just an example
no one knows yet how much freedom amd gives to the partner manufacturers with the pcb design
since it's amd all i hope for is some decent overclocking potential 
ashen spindle
they get a reference design and are free to change it however usually
hard thicket
yeah usually
ashen spindle
aside from options like Titan cards where nvidia said "0 changes, use our cooler"
hard thicket
but to what extend
hard thicket
like there are still guidelines in how much and what everything they can change
or redesign
ashen spindle
there are guidelines for the reference design (like with nvidia what capactiors you need to use etc etc.) but if a partner makes their own design none of that matters
so either they are allowed to make a custom board or not
unless I'm missing something, but if you allow them to make customizations, you need to give total freedom or else you would need to make all of it yourself to test what works and what doesnt
so at that point it just would be a reference design again
reef patrol
No custom designs so far.
Only a reference board made by AMD. They're in talks.
No such thing as total freedom.
You're selling using someone else's branding and naming. You have to provide a design that meets some expectations and so on
ashen spindle
you need to sign it to them to validate sure
but you can design your own that you want to send it, for like kingpin, hall of fame cards etc.
reef patrol
The point stands. You can't just do whatever with the chip. You're buying it with the expectation to build and sell something that meets the reference design at least and doesn't do screwy things.
old marlin
no custom designs so far?
ashen spindle
thats a cooler, we dont really see if the PCB is custom
old marlin
you sure?
ashen spindle
we know there are custom variants, we have some clocks from it so they are binned etc.
but could be the reference PCB
old marlin
taller PCBS
reef patrol
Definitely ref PCB.
ashen spindle
have we seen any custom pcbs?
old marlin
6800 PCB is not that tall
reef patrol
Only MBA PCBs so far. Made by AMD
old marlin
so should be easy to spot
like this
odd cuts as well
the tuf one probably uses teh same PCB
at least not the reference one
ashen spindle
that could be well within the tolerance of options for reference designs with different caps etc.
old marlin
has that mode switch as well
ashen spindle
too hard to say from these I'd say
ashen spindle
output
cursive summit
USB-C supports video output?
old marlin
yes
cursive summit
Hm
old marlin
I am sure that Sapphire will also make a custom model though
at least a custom cooler
cursive summit
I think most of them will make their own custom solutions
crimson wigeon
Mostly intended for VR HMDs but adoption on that seems.... low..
ashen spindle
we know they are working on pulse nitro and toxic models
old marlin
well you can still use an adapter to get dsiplayport out from it
not a big loss overall
crimson wigeon
Can't wait for DP to only use USBC connectors
ashen spindle
your vr most definitely wont have usbc
cursive summit
Apparently Reverb G2 will ship with a DP to mini-DP adapter
So it uses mini-DP
DP 1.3
ashen spindle
https://www.sisoftware.co.uk/2020/10/29/amd-ryzen3-5800x-review-benchmarks-cpu-8-core-16-thread-performance/ Executive Summary: Zen3 is ~25-40% faster than Zen2 across all kinds of algorithms.
cursive summit
You were saying Quintosh? 😅
old marlin
@crimson wigeon are you telling me you don't like this?
cursive summit
USB-C for power
crimson wigeon
I love that sadly it never happened to me
old marlin
ashen spindle
yes because I totally meant the power cable
cursive summit
Totally
Might be a bit dated
Not sure if anyone linked this though
A lot more detailed benchmarks
Oh lord..
crimson wigeon
DX11 though, so no DXR
cursive summit
Who cares 🙂
I'm glad if I get one of the new AMD cards, I can actually game at 4K
ashen spindle
it's amd benchmarks so its just more marketing
cursive summit
That is already enough for me
Damn just not that long ago 1440p was a challenge
Now we are overcoming 4K and looking at 8K
cursive summit
You know what's actually really cool?
hard thicket
like 6-7 years ago when 4K became a "thing" where not even 4K monitors were available
cursive summit
You can actually potentially play games at 16K now with the new cards
Say something like Minecraft
hard thicket
old titles for sure
crimson wigeon
B-b-but the textures are not highres enough for it to be noticeable!!!!!!
ashen spindle
of course
hard thicket
what the fuck
crimson wigeon
Yeah and in a year or so RDNA3 will happen
ashen spindle
do you think they dont work on it till the previous one is released?
cursive summit
RDNA3 is supposed to do something with cloud computing or some shit
hard thicket
not that, but spreading rumors now is like
cursive summit
Not even a rumour
hard thicket
why
cursive summit
It was confirmed by AMD
ashen spindle
we knew about alder lake in 2019 and that is at the earliest coming in Q4 2021 for example
cursive summit
I am trying to find the slide
hard thicket
thats like saying AM5 will be big
ashen spindle
rdna3 and hopper are most likely both chiplet cards
cursive summit
This shit
I am interested in what they are going to come up with with the "cloud" stuff
hard thicket
probably AI upscaling is more or less the future
urban lynx
i love him.
even got a comment of him
ashen spindle
btw rdna3 was already confirmed by AMD itself start of this year
the leaks are just about more info
cursive summit
I love 2kliks content
Similarly to his brother's 3kliks and 1kliks
And their old distant cousin Fartmaster
2kliks is the most interesting out of the 4 though
Just Philip fucking with tech is just interesting
hard thicket
had the pleasure to meet him in 2017 cologne, amazing guy
reef patrol
Oh boy... decided to upgrade to the O11 Dynamic XL, so I gotta dismantle my loop now and turn everything back on air. 😄
hard thicket
do you plan to custom loop within the O11 aswell ?
reef patrol
Yup.
hard thicket
kinda, but the amount of radiators you can shove in there is just incredible, mean like 60-80mm thick ones 😅
hard thicket
uhh depends on the rad 😋
the alphacool ones are not really dense and the air flows quite easily through 😁
reef patrol
Too many compromises. No RGB on fans since you basically need Noctuas in two layers to force air through.
reef patrol
Nope. I hate distro plates.
hard thicket
uhh why that
hard thicket
not in the case of the XL and O11, you can place one right on the front glass panel, which is kinda my fav one
reef patrol
And then you block the view of the PC.
Just as bad.
Still looks terrible with softtubing 😄
hard thicket
why not go the hardtubing path ? 😋 Lazy ?
tranquil bluff
is the wooting one tkl gud
hard thicket
i mean watercooling is in the end more of an enthusiastic hobby, there is no impractical i'd say
reef patrol
It is mad impractical to swap parts in hardloops.
hard thicket
it definitely is, but its fun 😅
tranquil bluff
xD
hard thicket
if you have a large amount of a fitting collection, even with hardtubbing it can be easy to swap stuff tbh
reef patrol
I'd rather just cut a tube and bleed the loop into a bowl, swap parts, drag a new tube and refill.
No fiddling or need for drain ports.
hard thicket
you cut the tube while it's still full ? 
reef patrol
Well yeah.
hard thicket
oh boy
reef patrol
Easy peasy
reef patrol
You make it sound like I'm flooding anything.
It goes straight into aforementioned bowl.
reef patrol
Well yeah... go figure 😛
hard thicket
definetly, just draining and refilling takes 3-4 hours
ashen spindle
that is one cramped case
hard thicket
complete disassembly takes me literally the whole day
ashen spindle
seems like it's a hassle to get dust out of it too, unless the fan setup keeps that fairly low?
hard thicket
it basically runs passive most of the time
the 3950x stays around 78c max passive, the 2080s around the 70 mark
ashen spindle
Not too bad
hard thicket
fans at 1000rpm both max out at 55-60 ish while OC'd
plus it fits inside my backpack
wheat plume
whats the best way to store a date variable in C#? private DateTime dob?
ashen spindle
Usually, yes
wheat plume
for my project last year I didnt even store that date in the code...I just used SYSDATE in the SQL queries
ashen spindle
if you dont need it no need to save it
just be aware how high your tolerance is, if it needs to be accurate to the minute or nanoseconds is a big difference
fair gull
i always save time accurate to the millenium
ashen spindle
great hp is changing their printer options, no longer possible to have a free tier in for instant ink zzzz
time to cancel that and tell them to fuck off I guess
wheat plume
:gloryShrug: if you dont need it no need to save it
@ashen spindle idk if we need it
ashen spindle
feels like something you should know 
wheat plume
its not my database, this is a group project
and he isnt awake to tell me how to connect to the DB -.-
ashen spindle
I dont see how that relates to needing to store the date locally or not
wheat plume
yeah, but if we need to use the date somewhere else we cant just hardcode SYSDATE into the SQL
ashen spindle
@fair gull do you understand what that means
wheat plume
IDK if later, we will need to use the date for anything or is it just a piece of data we are putting into the table and wont make use of
ashen spindle
so you dont put the date into it from c#? its only if you need to read it from using the data ?
if you dont know if its needed either store it and have the option and delete it if you dont need it, or do something else first
fair gull
@ashen spindle accuracy is limited to the thousands of years and above numbers
could be of b y up to 999years 11months and 30days
wheat plume
can I just store dates as a string?
ashen spindle
you can store them as a byte array if you so choose, you need to know what you need it for/want to do with it
crimson wigeon
Your database probably has a special type for dates and times, use that
wheat plume
im looking through my project last year. cause I had to change the date format to match what the database uses but I cant find that code now
aha, this
fair gull
lana
i really hope u never design a production database i as a consumer or programmer have to use
@crimson wigeon almost sure she uses oracle db and java/c#
so storing timestamps wouldnt even be hard
wheat plume
idk what DB im using for this project
thats not my job for it
and the guy whos job it is says hes hosting one on AWS
reef patrol
Here we go. Now I just gotta sell my old case xD
zenith sonnet
Welcome to the club
wheat plume
€209 for a case
what ports does it have?
reef patrol
Enough 😄
crisp granite
that case is $270 CAD
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLieaeVtOPQ&feature=emb_title
@wheat plume USB is not why I'm upgrading to it from its little brother 😄
fair gull
not really
reef patrol
Such is enthusiast life.
And then add another 150$ or so for a new paintjob on it.
Like the old one had.
crisp granite
bruh
reef patrol
crisp granite
I got a case worth $140 CAD
reef patrol
fair gull
@reef patrol this time a duck id hope
reef patrol
Was a duck last time as well 😛
fair gull
thats not a duck
reef patrol
Cyberduck 😛
reef patrol
Naw.
fair gull
yes
wheat plume
oooo its such a pretty case, but id like a case with the glass panel on the right side so I can actually make use of it and see inside the case
ashen spindle
.. so you can see the backside of your motherboard?
fair gull
bruh i dont get glasspanels
wheat plume
no
fair gull
i have one
reef patrol
Wrong side is against the wall.
wheat plume
just the side panel
wheat plume
the glass panel is against the wall
fair gull
cause its boring as shit
crisp granite
actually
wheat plume
.. so you can see the backside of your motherboard?
@ashen spindle if I take the side panel off, ye
fair gull
@wheat plume just turn ur pc 180°
reef patrol
There's your problem. You need to make it interesting to look at 😄
wheat plume
that would be tricky for the cables
fair gull
that looks like garbage not gonna lie
crisp granite
rainbow vomit
wheat plume
I love the blue and purple <3
fair gull
@wheat plume how is that tricky for the cables
reef patrol
It's literally not a rainbow if it only has two colours 😛
fair gull
u just have the case feet sticking up
wheat plume
where is the PSU?
reef patrol
Lana you'll want an inverted case.
crisp granite
whatever happened to "you can get it in any colour as long as it's black"?
fair gull
the top of the case
wheat plume
on the top.... interesting
reef patrol
whatever happened to "you can get it in any colour as long as it's black"?
@crisp granite What happened is that the quote is false 😄
Ford never said that.
reef patrol
I disagree - Because it was never true, even if he didn't say it 😄
wheat plume
Ford never said that.
@reef patrol nah..thats what google said this year for its new Pixel phones
crisp granite
actually?
wheat plume
Just Black
crisp granite
perfect
reef patrol
The Model T was introduced Oct. 1, 1908, and through the 1913 model year buyers had a choice of several colors, including black. Then, in 1926 and 1927, colors included green, light blue, brown, maroon - and, of course, black.
tranquil bluff
is the wooting one analog switches gud
wheat plume
they are great :D but they are much heavier than my last board... they are 55cN
but they activate faster
much faster
reef patrol
Hard question to answer - In general? Compared to other brands? Compared to the upcoming Hall Effect switches no one has yet?
crisp granite
big brain
wheat plume
wrinkly brain move right there
pale sigil
major big brain
ashen spindle
theory: nvidia will soon have a lot of stock. Why? because the real reason they had no supply, is that they tried to prevent AMD from getting samples so amd could only compare it against 2080ti and not show actual results, that failed so now floodgates come open for supply
old marlin
implying that you leave your house in 2020
cursive summit
Can I vote for the spaghetti monster?
wheat plume
vast moss
From own experience I can say, spending ~500 bucks on a monitor is quite worth it. There's some really nice displays like the LG 27GL850 and other monitors that use the same panel, and the difference is well worth it imo. You'll have much better colours, but most noticeably better motion response and lower delay.
@zenith sonnet Is that so? My budget is getting fairly tight with other upgrades I've been doing, so $500 does come across as pretty high for a display, but if you think that 2.5x the price actually shows good returns, I could try to expand my budget a bit for display.
zenith sonnet
if you can, try, it makes a real difference in my opinion
But not every monitor that's twice the price is better than the first....
ashen spindle
wow, almost like its on an SSD, how did they do it 
cursive summit
Not even my SSD can do this
zenith sonnet
It's 90% optimisation for PCIe SSDs and 10% hardware
cursive summit
Well no wonder PlayStation sucks compared to Xbox firepower
I still haven't gotten a word about Steam games on Xbox
ashen spindle
news to me
cursive summit
Well Xbox trumps the PS, just like it has for years
I haven't quite seen the loadtimes but it seems inferior on SX
If a Linus Doom Eternal preview was anything to go by
ashen spindle
yeah the xbox trumps ps , thats why the ps4 had the better hardware
wheat plume
HAH
ashen spindle
not surprised, people are masochists after all
wheat plume
yeah...
pale sigil
This is kinda cool ngl https://www.bose.co.uk/en_gb/products/frames.html
vast moss
https://youtu.be/_dRCcciUX58
twas mentioned, but here as a video
pale sigil
That’s where I found them lol
vast moss
oh, ok
vast moss
that is to say, Lana posted it here a few messages ago
pale sigil
Ah yes lol
But anyway I think they are cool
Especially considering you can use your own lenses
vast moss
they do look cool
pale sigil
Love the idea of travelling with them and using them for audiobooks and everyday glasses XD
wheat plume
more than a "few" messages ago :P
wheat plume
vast moss
more than a "few" messages ago :P
There were 34 from your post to my saying it was a few messages ago; I suppose that isn't a "few" but it is still a fairly short gap, esp when many of those messages were just one line
misty pier
cursive summit
iPhone 12 bezels are really sharp
True 21st century "cutting edge" technology, literally
vast moss
ouch
neat oriole
You’re just holding it wrong
cursive summit
How do you hold a phone "wrong"?
It's like an idiot-proof system?
Hold it right you got it right, hold it wrong, sike you got cut?
Rocket Lake seems fine
Apparently this is a rocket lake eng sample
vast moss
Uselessbenchmark shows absolutely nothing
@ashen spindle Does this apply to any aspect of the site, or are they still usable for other comparison purposes?
ashen spindle
they have shown on multiple occasions they run the site to make money
its optimized to show up high in google results as much as possible
so they get as much traffic and thus ad revenue
and have changed benchmark weighting to favor one company (the one who has much more money) and made absolutely stupid "reviews" to compare them in a terrible way
vast moss
Oh, I see. Any alternatives, then?
fickle ore
just see benchmarks
ashen spindle
anandtech and techpowerup have both decently big databases to compare stuff
or the youtube reviews of the likes of GamersNexus, HardwareUnboxed etc. for more details on the actual models
fickle ore
passmark might be ok? Idk
vast moss
GN often shows up in my feed, so I’m covered there. Hardware Unboxed I have yet to check out, and AnandTech and TechPowerUp same
wheat plume
You’re just holding it wrong
@neat oriole ah yes, the return of the iphone pose :') fucking wifi antenna... Was that the issue with the iphone 4?
vast moss
The main issue I take with comparing benchmarks I see from such sources is that often, I’m comparing things in different leagues to see how they compare to each other, e.g. comparing the GeForce 940MX in my laptop to the 1070 Ti in my desktop while I was looking into GPUs yet, as well as how the i7-7500U stacks up against a Ryzen 5 3600. It would take several steps to do so, which means more room for error if I’m trying to find some sort of performance ratio
ashen spindle
passmark might be ok? Idk
@fickle ore yeah but synthetic results are often harder to compared to actual results, outside of stuff that you know uses the same code style
eh, if you can find benchmarks that compare the parts without being bottlenecked by something else, it wont matter if is laptop or desktop parts
just harder to find for laptop as you can't just put a 3090 into a laptop to remove gpu bottlenecks
fickle ore
Atm I'm just w8 for benchmarks with ryzen 5000 series with 6800xt to see what kind of difference smart access memory makes.. And whether it makes a difference for CPU single thread performance aswell, because of less overhead and needing to call the GPU less often, because you can get full VRAM info with one call vs 256mb blocks
vast moss
I see
ashen spindle
but anandtech does also have some laptop parts in their cpu list, maybe it includes yours
vast moss
I’d have to take a look sometime
vagrant marsh
Amd must be happy. After 10 years of being in the backwater, they finally can be in the lead
cursive summit
Nope not yet
They are most definitely not in the lead
Nvidia still hold that crown
But AMD must have done some damage
Hey if the competition is harsh, I can only appreciate it
Less costly, more powerful products
RT perf seems not bad
DLSS kicks Radeon's ass but that's to be expected
Natively they actually perform quite a bit better
ashen spindle
wccftrash
cursive summit
Sure but they didn't leak this
A hardware store has
Just re-reporting
I like it honestly
Turn on RT on low/medium (I suppose you can do that?)
And enjoy a good 60FPS+ experience at 4K
crimson wigeon
noooo! You can't reduce graphics settings! Ultra is the only option!!
ashen spindle
I mean using RT but then set stuff to relatively low settings makes no sense to me,
unless you REALLY like shiny water more than detailed textures
cursive summit
Nah I'm talking Ultra textures and low RT
Unless the current way of doing reflections is better than RT on low
I think CS:GO uses cubemaps for reflections
cursive summit
Regardless I feel uninterested in RT perf but I do feel glad AMD does well in the test
Better than 2080Ti on the lowest end model
Now where's the upsampling tech? 😄
crimson wigeon
"soon"
zenith sonnet
Screw UHD benchmarks
I wanna see QHD
Games that came out in the last 2 years are a poor benchmark for RT performance
All of them were tailored to RTX
vagrant marsh
Hmm
fickle ore
@cursive summit now enable smart access memory on AMD, and it closes the gap
vagrant marsh
Now you said it, games with dlss do indeed have alot more.fps.which allows for higher settings. I wonder if amd will ever come with something like that
cursive summit
@zenith sonnet Those are WQHD marks
@vagrant marsh Yes
It's in the works
It might launch in time for 6900XD launch
vagrant marsh
Together with the ability to load the game using the graphics card's memory instead of the motherboard for faster loading times
Amd should already have that right?
zenith sonnet
DLSS should not be included in benchmarks
Unless you run the AMD card at the same internal resolution and upscale as well
cursive summit
DLSS at this point is just Nvidia's cheatcode to escape proper comparisons
And to justify prices
ashen spindle
if DLSS works with no loss in quality, why not use it
"no upscaling bc its not real" doesnt matter if you dont notice it
zenith sonnet
In my opinion, comparing the quality and performance gain of upscaling results is a different benchmark
In hardware benchmarks, they have no place
I want clean, clear benchmarks of the underlying hardware
fickle ore
Agree tbh
reef patrol
I want both.
nova carbon
there are some oddities with dlss, but probably worth if u arent where you want to be framerate wise
zenith sonnet
I would never use DLSS because of the motion blur
reef patrol
What motion blur? 😄
zenith sonnet
It does have some issues with motion, similar to TAA
reef patrol
Not that I've noticed in Legion.
nova carbon
i think they mean when theres a lot of fast movement dlss get a bit blurry cause it cant quite keep up
as much as we'd like to believe its just free performance there are some tradeoffs
reef patrol
Sure - Still nothing I've noticed so far.
And I play with motion blur and fake focus off.
ashen spindle
just to add, if dlss gets used a comparison should also be made without it, but it would be silly to exclude it imo
reef patrol
For sure.
fickle ore
can you use DLSS in every game
zenith sonnet
Still, it's a different benchmark. Make a separate article comparing native/DLSS/Fidelity FX/boost/whatever
fickle ore
SAM should be in normal benchmark cuz that's just a new more efficient protocol basically
zenith sonnet
It just makes the graphs even more bloated and difficult
reef patrol
Really doesn't - And it's key knowledge for your average gamer.
ashen spindle
SAM we need more info on how it works first
fickle ore
wtf do you really need DLSS support from a game
ashen spindle
???yes
fickle ore
lul
nova carbon
yeah you need dlss support
reef patrol
wtf do you really need DLSS support from a game
@fickle ore Fuck yes I do xD
nova carbon
very few games actually support atm but hopefully more in the future
fickle ore
ok then it shouldnt be included in benchmark, typical nvidia stuff
reef patrol
Of course it should.
"So we doubled our FPS"
Yeah I don't see why you'd ever need to mention that 😛
nova carbon
more info is always better
fickle ore
But they didn't. I could also run 480x640 and say I double performance.
nova carbon
as long as you know the difference
reef patrol
They did though.
reef patrol
I'm not going to bother discussing philosophy with you. If the end result is visually difficult/impossible to tell apart, it's the same 😛
And 99% of gamers will agree there.
ESPECIALLY if it allows you to enable Raytracing.
You're acting as if though the DLSS result should replace the ones without it enabled... Of course not.
ashen spindle
we are talking about reviews, not technical whitepaper cross referencing, it should focus on what is important for the consumer, DLSS is a very valid option
nova carbon
yeah they are different things you should treat them as such
fickle ore
And this is why a company like nvidia thrives cuz ppl buy nvidia because DLSS and 90% of their games dont even support it. Same for RTX IO/RTX latency/RTX audio/RTX raytracing crap etc. Just waiting for a proper company to do solutions that work in every game where it actually matters.
reef patrol
Well no.
DLSS -IS- designed to work with every game. But as with all other AI, it needs training.
And obviously you're going to devote more resources to specific games that are struggling 😛
Cue Control as an excellent sample.
There is no magic bullet. There won't be some knight in shining armour company that offers DLSS - but game agnostic.
There is only one approach - Training training and more training. If anything nVidia just happen to be the first ones with it on market.
fickle ore
Meh. What a waste of a company. Overpriced stuff and proprietary software that gets abandoned after few years. Been case since forever
ashen spindle
so kick AMD in the butt to be competitive more than once every decade
overpriced? sure, could you get similar stuff from someone else? no
not like AMD is still working on every new thing they ever tried either
reef patrol
Agh.... Caseking are lazy gits. Still haven't handed over my case to GLS 😦
hard thicket
wierd
ordered yesterday from caseking 200 bucks worth of fittings
and it arrived today
golden girder
@fickle ore Yeah, but that is only half the way. You still need to check which was the last signal and that takes time too regardless how you do it.
The latch method is most likely much faster (and maybe negligible talking in ranges of ms) than doing it on firmware but still has a switching time.
reef patrol
That'll never happen here - On account on being a neighboring country 😄
reef patrol
Then you got real lucky with air freight 😄
ashen spindle
I think he just got lucky and got competent service and not GLS :p
reef patrol
Hue
reef patrol
I have never had that kind of delivery internationally with any courier. Even UPS' super expensive day to day delivery when Corsair sends samples.
Domestically it can be done if the seller has good connections and contracts.
ashen spindle
maybe they have some older maps and austria is still counted as part of germany 
reef patrol
hard thicket
finally got my hand on those
zenith sonnet
DLSS tells me more about how efficient Nvidia's server farms are than the hardware I wanna put into my computer. It should not be part of hardware benchmarks
vagrant marsh
a pipe socket?
reef patrol
Bit of a bulky fitting.
hard thicket
oh hell, its massive
reef patrol
Could swear my 90" soft tube fittings are significantly smaller 😄
reef patrol
Gotta get my loop drained and cleaned for next week... just bna. So much cleaning xD
hard thicket
but the build quality is really top notch
done that today 😅
will start to drain in a bit
reef patrol
Gotta clean them real thorough, since I'm changing from purple to clear coolant.
So yeah... funtiems.
reef patrol
Gotta have my bling 😄
hard thicket
done the cleaning part once and told myself the hell you use that again
bling but for what cost!!!
sitting lonely in a corner with a toothbbrush!!
reef patrol
Hehehe
hard thicket
oh no just realised i have no coolant mixture left
guess time to use tap water
and fixing that cable mess will cost me alone 2 hours i believe
reef patrol
TODO as follows...
... drain entire loop
... take everything out
... clean everything and let the sun dry them out
... clean case for sale (my baby 😦 )
... Plan the loop in the larger case I'm moving to
... assemble and fill it
... partially drain, rebuild when 3080/AMD equivalent is available.
Oh - And I need to ship off the case panels for re-printing.
hard thicket
what are you painting on it ?
reef patrol
This.
hard thicket
ohh neaaat
reef patrol
Wraps around side, top and front panel (if I can get around to de-rivet it)
zenith sonnet
I still need to find a solution to the missing DP on the new AMD cards
hard thicket
oh the top panel aswell ???
zenith sonnet
2 is one to few
hard thicket
that's really nice made
reef patrol
Yeah great artist.
reef patrol
Visually xD
reef patrol
Very ad hoc
reef patrol
Basically mounting the PC, routing cables and then seeing if all of the rads will fit.
I use softtubing so it's not a huge issue.
reef patrol
Main reason for the rebuild is how wide this gen of cards are.
hard thicket
ohh the reason you went with the XL
reef patrol
My Dynamic just ain't wide enough. And the vertical mount will need me to remove the bottom rad.
But as a tradeoff I can finally use 3x360 rads as planned.
Not possible in the Dynamic without ripping out the front panel PCB.
hard thicket
uhm there are vertical mounts where the gpu is a little higher up
so there is space beneath
on the O11 (non XL)
hard thicket
ohhh
tbh, the reference boards are not that wide
that's the same old reference model height
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol The D5 distro plate for the XL came after I built with the 360 Quantum res 😦
Not sure if I should rebuild
But I guess 2x 360 works
If I ever get fans for this
reef patrol
No interest in distro plates here 😄
hard thicket
2x 360 is enough for a SLI my dude
reef patrol
Not if you want quiet RGB fans 😛
hard thicket
you can run your GPU and CPU on a single 240 rad and that quite
reef patrol
Mnope.
hard thicket
you can
reef patrol
Again - RGB fans 😛
hard thicket
well okay 😅
reef patrol
My 8 fans are locked at 1300RPM. Definitely not silent 😄
hard thicket
i stick to my noctua A12x25
hard thicket
Ouch
reef patrol
Given how much my QL fans cost, I am in no rush to change them.
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet you can be like me and just buy amd.. amd has SAM which works in every game and they got something like DLSS coming if you really need it
hard thicket
just that alone cost me 120$
reef patrol
Oh right - Swapping to AMD as well. Completely forgot that.
hard thicket
guess we all wait for benchmarks then
ashen spindle
pretty much
reef patrol
Swapping regardless on the CPU front. Can't stand that my 4TB NVME won't even run synthetic benchmarks at rated speeds (for whatever reason)