🔌│tech

[crisp granite]

so I'd expect 50% better than consoles at best

still no slouch

[ashen spindle]

? 90 has about 10% more cores and has like 9% better performance

[crisp granite]

and the RTX 3070 has about 1500 more cuda cores than the RTX 2080ti and just about matches it

in performance

[cursive summit]

An hour untill hell goes loose

Boy I can't wait

[ashen spindle]

you cant compare cores over different uArchs

[crisp granite]

beer and popcorn time

and, you are right

I remember reading that navi works really well at higher frequency

do you think that might be what the ridiculous boost clocks are for?

[ashen spindle]

yup, probably big part coming from a really mature process node

[crisp granite]

the gpu boosts are on par with my cpu clocks

bit of a bruh moment

[ashen spindle]

meh

bulldozer could reach 8ghz

doesnt mean much

[crisp granite]

yeah

the cpu is so much older, a modern cpu at the same frequency could perform better

kaby lake mobile gang

[ashen spindle]

sure, but its just a number, just like 7nanometer

doesnt really mean anything if you compare it outside with other things

[shadow minnow]

and the RTX 3070 has about 1500 more cuda cores than the RTX 2080ti and just about matches it
@crisp granite that is not true.
In fact 30 series have half the cores shown, they just consider processing unit in core capable of both int 32 and fp 32, which they consider as also core, and is was not there on last gen.
So 3070 has quite impressive performance gain as it has less cores

So when you divide 3070’s core by two, you see that it has less cores and similar performance

Which is partially caused by architectural improvement

[ashen spindle]

uhh you mean the right thing but thats not quite right

[crimson wigeon]

It's time

[cursive summit]

3 mins

[crimson wigeon]

I'm ready for scuffed audio

[cursive summit]

Dunno who to watch

The official or someone else watching the official

[ashen spindle]

time to grab a snack and see you guys in 25

[cursive summit]

UFD Tech can suck ass

What's even GeekaWhat?

Never heard of this channel

[nova carbon]

lets goooooooo

[crisp granite]

I'm ready

my pot bowl is full and ready to be lit

and I got sausage and beer ready

[cursive summit]

Time to see Nvidia's destruction

[crimson wigeon]

Only 720p 😦

[crisp granite]

720p is best resolution

jk

1080p is the best

[nova carbon]

imagine being introduced to your new 8k gpu in 720p, shameful

[crisp granite]

I still think 8k won't be a thing this gen

[crimson wigeon]

It begins

[halcyon moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx-88voYK78

[nova carbon]

uwu

[cursive summit]

7

6

5

4

3

2

1

LEGGO

[misty pier]

cool

[nova carbon]

LISAAAAA

[crimson wigeon]

FULL STACK

[halcyon moss]

shooow us the numbersss

[crimson wigeon]

What's a drop in upgrade

[halcyon moss]

the mobo chipset supports the new cpu series

[crimson wigeon]

(I know, Intel meme)

[halcyon moss]

o

[cursive summit]

That's a massive card

[misty pier]

🤔

[crimson wigeon]

Yeeaahh show us that chip

[cursive summit]

CHIP PORN

[nova carbon]

nvidia done fucked up going with samsung

[cursive summit]

OHH YEAH

Who she? I have never seen her before

[crimson wigeon]

Ah yes, advanced features I love those

[thick elk]

Okay infinity cache is indeed a thing

[reef tundra]

Infinite storage? no need for the ram and hdd just run everything of their infinite cache it even boasts speed the ram would dream of

[thick elk]

No it's basically just add a lot of cache to the gpu instead of going for very wide memory busses or faster memory.

[reef tundra]

Basically the RISC principle?

give em registers and a lot of them

[cursive summit]

Is directstorage important?

[crimson wigeon]

Yesno

[ashen spindle]

its basically rtxIO

[misty pier]

sounds gimmicky

[thick elk]

Probably not but nvidia put a lot of marketing about it so they have to respond

[cursive summit]

SCOTT

I love this guy

[reef tundra]

STEVE

i mine this guy

[crimson wigeon]

Waow look at all that VRAM

[cursive summit]

Steve Harvey?

[thick elk]

16gb makes sense in general, just nvidia skimping on memory.

[nova carbon]

300w

[ashen spindle]

nope,. the issue was they use g6x, more power draw etc.

[reef tundra]

make it 3000w, i need to heat the room

[thick elk]

that too

Just 300w only works because of nvidia

[cursive summit]

That's kinda nice

[crimson wigeon]

Alright Nvidia won

[halcyon moss]

competitive

nice

[ashen spindle]

nope, thats not the 6900xt yet

[nova carbon]

thats not their top sku

[misty pier]

wonder how much it costs

[cursive summit]

6900XT I can't wait to see what that thing does

[crimson wigeon]

😡 mode

[nova carbon]

but can you make the radeon text not red?

[cursive summit]

RAGE

[thick elk]

basically a bit behind in 4k and a bit ahead in 1440p

[cursive summit]

Boy RAGE 2 already released

AMD 5 years in the past

[crimson wigeon]

Waow that memory thing

It's like the Fusion dream from years ago

[ashen spindle]

yes, after decades it's finally a thing lmao

[cursive summit]

So Smart access is literally smartshift from laptops

Nice

[thick elk]

basically when they came up with fusion either their gpu's were to weak or their cpu's

[nova carbon]

amd reflex pog

[ashen spindle]

basically when they came up with fusion either their gpu's were to weak or their cpu's
@thick elk nope, it's just a byproduct actualyl lmao

servers need it for in 2 gens

[reef tundra]

not good for the pcb to flex

[crimson wigeon]

Also no required account

[thick elk]

I do hope that amd opens up the ability for communication to intel cpu's (if intel supports it) and nvidia gpu's (if nvidia wants to support it)

[reef tundra]

the pcie bus

[crimson wigeon]

SUPER RESOLUTION

[ashen spindle]

WORLD PREMIERE

[cursive summit]

If it costs 499 imma buy this in a heartbeat fuck everything

[crisp granite]

my guess is 599 at least

[cursive summit]

599 is still a really good price

[crisp granite]

not 499 levels

but yeah

[old marlin]

wtf

smart access memory is OP

[thick elk]

I think 600 is about right, sitting between the 3070 and 3080 in price. Making it the better deal.

[cursive summit]

@crisp granite Do you know this polishchuck guy?

[crisp granite]

the fuck?

who?

[cursive summit]

The FC6 presenter

[nova carbon]

softend shadows in WoW Pog!

[thick elk]

Hmm all dx 12 no Vulkan

?

[crimson wigeon]

649 LUL

[nova carbon]

oof

[thick elk]

Still okay imo, a bit higher than expected.

[cursive summit]

That is not that insane

[crisp granite]

I love how they show nothing for far cry 6

[nova carbon]

no 6800 xtx??

[cursive summit]

6800 seems like a worse deal than RX 3070 😅

[ashen spindle]

wait for it :p

[cursive summit]

Potentially

[crimson wigeon]

Hold up...

[ashen spindle]

here it is

told you

[crimson wigeon]

here it comes

[nova carbon]

whooooooo

[crimson wigeon]

nice

[nova carbon]

BFGPU!/

das what i want

[ashen spindle]

so close to 69%

[cursive summit]

69 00 XD

[nova carbon]

megabinned?

[thick elk]

generally wider gpu's are more efficient

[crimson wigeon]

3090

[nova carbon]

less than $1500!?!

[crimson wigeon]

999

[reef tundra]

THICC BUS

[nova carbon]

oooooooooof

[crisp granite]

bruh

[cursive summit]

Holy shit that perf

[crisp granite]

they killed the RTX 3090

[ashen spindle]

500$ undercut the 3090 lel

[crisp granite]

shit

[cursive summit]

Alright 3090 is dead

[nova carbon]

if we can buy them anything is a bargain

[cursive summit]

3080 is a so-so offer

[thick elk]

Nvidia 3080 ti incomming for 1200

[cursive summit]

3070 still seems really good

[reef tundra]

Swoosh, rip the 3090 scalpers

[thick elk]

about the same performance as the 3080 lower price.

[nova carbon]

any mention of AIB availability?

[misty saffron]

have they shown 6900xt perf yet

[ashen spindle]

yes, equal to 3090

beats some, loses some

[misty saffron]

and 500 less

tf

[ashen spindle]

ye

[cursive summit]

@nova carbon AIB cards will be available at the same time

[misty saffron]

no-brainer then

[old marlin]

[thick elk]

a bit higher on average in their sample but probably similar in general.

[old marlin]

69

[cursive summit]

They mentioned that AIB cards are releasing 1 day after

[crisp granite]

bruh

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/haAPtu06eYI

[ashen spindle]

ok I am sorry but you forced me because you pinged me during the show @reef patrol

https://i.gyazo.com/db10dda431bc4d7136389e0f426f8f14.png

[cursive summit]

Here we go tech daddy

[crisp granite]

if RT performance is better than the 3090

it will actually be game over for NVidia

[cursive summit]

It's not

[reef patrol]

xD

[cursive summit]

But it doesn't need to be

[reef patrol]

I'll believe reviews when they land.

[crimson wigeon]

Eh we'll see, were those benchmark samples with raytracing on?

[thick elk]

So far the rumors are about correct so I assume the lower rt performance to also be correct

[reef patrol]

But yeah - As I've said many times. I -WANT- AMD to succeed. I just don't expect them to xD

[cursive summit]

I am more interested were the benchmarks with DLSS on

[crisp granite]

yeah

[ashen spindle]

I literally showed you the numbers, you didn't believe me

[crisp granite]

DLSS 2.0 is actually awesome

[reef patrol]

Also even if they match/beat nVidia there's... yeah DLSS and RT to consider.

I literally showed you the numbers, you didn't believe me
@ashen spindle I can make a slide graph too 😄

[cursive summit]

Like I doubt on 6800 value, 6800XT looks good, and 6900XT is amazing

[crisp granite]

DLSS is good enough now to be considered free performance

[thick elk]

I wish the 6800 and 6800xt were about $50 cheaper

[ashen spindle]

yeah dlss is in a handful of titles, they made something competing, RT is coming and just for now a bit weaker but none of it is locked

[cursive summit]

@thick elk If RX 6800 matched RTX 3070 it would definitely kill the card

[ashen spindle]

ofc its not a 100%win

[cursive summit]

But for now we'll need to see post-launch prices

[ashen spindle]

they came from nowhere and are trading blows now

[cursive summit]

Remember lads, AMD upsampling is coming

AMD DLSS

[crisp granite]

still getting a 3070

[cursive summit]

But not now

[thick elk]

Mindshare and rt performance are still things to keep in mind

[crimson wigeon]

But yeah wait for benchmarks etc etc... still gonna be getting one of those cards because Linux

[crisp granite]

cuz DLSS 2.0

[zenith sonnet]

Damn, I missed the start

[fathom pasture]

nvidia is FUCKED

[reef patrol]

AMD DISS 😆

[zenith sonnet]

Watching now

[misty saffron]

obviously they have to have their upscaling implementation to stay competitive

no doubt they understand that

[cursive summit]

And yeah AMD's upscaling is coming

It won't be as competitive as DLSS but we'll see what it does

Same thing with RTX, it's worse than Nvidia but rumour is it is much lighter

So you get RTX for much smaller perf impact

[ashen spindle]

now you can just go either way and it will be a good choice, mostly depending on availibility in your store of the model you want

[thick elk]

DLSS is not implemented in every game and probably never will.

[ashen spindle]

so I hope both companies keep it up next year

[cursive summit]

@ashen spindle Not really tbh

If you are considering a new GPU

Ryzen 5000 is the way

For SmartShift

I'll still call it SmartShift cause that's what it literally is

[ashen spindle]

ehh im on about gpus, not cpus

[cursive summit]

Wasn't Nvidia "Hopper" arch rumoured for next year?

Yeaah I love to see the performance battle

But I see AMD on higher battling ground thanks to SmartShift

[ashen spindle]

its not smart shift and its not the same, smart shift is power management to stay in what you can get in a laptop

[reef tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxFRDpv3mew

[ashen spindle]

just because both work with cpu+gpu doesnt make them even remotely the same

anyway, with consoles using rdna2, games that are not just on pc will get some RT features, so I expect next year amd will have at least equal games for RT features as nvidia

so it's really a wash and you can go either way, I'm happy

im excited to see reviews now

[crisp granite]

same

this will truly be the year of the gamer

great options everywhere

you really can't go wrong now

[reef tundra]

Intel integrated graphics

[crisp granite]

even Intel iGPUs are getting better

[reef tundra]

13 fps time

[thick elk]

kind of sad that amd does not support vulkan ray tracing yet, I hope they will fix that soon. Not that it matters much now, as far as I know not a lot of vulkan games out there and wine does not support ray tracing now.

[sick creek]

lol ya

[ashen spindle]

I think they do, I don't think you need to explicitly support it?

[reef tundra]

probably nvidia having a patent

[ashen spindle]

at least thats what my impression was when I read the khronos blog

[thick elk]

Okay, that is fine I think

[ashen spindle]

like if DXR works vulkan seems to work

but dont quote me on that

[sick creek]

still cant get over that they're pulling off 3090 perf with 300w

[reef tundra]

but dont quote me on that
ok

[thick elk]

Either way wine does not support ray tracing yet.

[crimson wigeon]

Vulkan ray tracing will absolutely be supported

Intel will also probably support it!

[ashen spindle]

Frank talking about the cpu/gpu combo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KAnebwCAaA

[thick elk]

of course it will, I just dont know when.

[reef tundra]

Vulkan is bea, rtx is cringe

[thick elk]

I hope smart access memory like tech gets supported on nvidia gpu's and intel cpu's as well. I really hate vendor lock-in

[ashen spindle]

yeah, that will be the thing that will make up my mind about AMD

I wont mind if the first use it themselves and then open it up, to get an advantage

but I dont want nvidia2.0 with full locked

[thick elk]

If competitors don't want to implement it while it's open it can be on them but if they keep it locked that would be different.

[cursive summit]

I want to see what PowerColor and Sapphire models will look like

I need some GPUgasm

[sick creek]

i havent used a powercolor gpu since early 2000s

i thought they were a cheap budget brand

[ashen spindle]

still are

[thick elk]

Powercolor isn't the best indeed.

[sick creek]

ok so nothing has changed 😂

[thick elk]

Sapphire is the gold standard for amd gpu's in general.

[sick creek]

why do you say that

[cursive summit]

Sapphire's the EVGA of AMD

[sick creek]

ah

i was kinda hoping gigabyte would do one

so i can keep the branding consistent inside my case

[zenith sonnet]

I think I'm sold
Excited to see the reviews

[ashen spindle]

I think GB will make one, but if its great or not we will need to see

[sick creek]

i know that sounds dumb but i hate the idea of having like... an RGB lion, eagle, bear, shark all together inside the case

[cursive summit]

But I have to say PowerColor makes some great Red Devil cards

[sick creek]

lmao

[thick elk]

Reliability just isn't powercolor's strong suit

[ashen spindle]

red devil because the temperature gets to the devil

[sick creek]

how tho, if it's only 300w

for 6900xt

[cursive summit]

Well as far as reliability goes PowerColour's still more reliable than XFX

[ashen spindle]

bc they messed up the 5700 version of red devil lmao

[cursive summit]

Oh god... XFX..

Sapphire's godly though

[sick creek]

xfx is HOT garbage

they're the monster energy of gpu mfr's

[ashen spindle]

xfx 6870 was my first desktop gpu lmao

now I think I'll have a 6800xt not from xfx

[sick creek]

or put another way it's like axe as a gpu brand

i'm pretty sure their meetings all start with "okay bros"

[ashen spindle]

but honestly

amd not having a blower reference is still the best they showed

[sick creek]

true, i'm glad gpu mfr's are getting away from this

[zenith sonnet]

Unf
6800 XT is already as much as the VII

[cursive summit]

I'm glad we moved from blowers to 3x fans

[ashen spindle]

keep that shit for datacenter cards

[zenith sonnet]

[sick creek]

yeah it has no purpose inside a gaming rig

[cursive summit]

What we need to see if fans do much

Are those some 2$ fans or hopefully something more

Vapour chamber perhaps?

[ashen spindle]

also, we need to see if AiB models can pull some more OC out of it than ampere version can

[sick creek]

it seems to me like they're doing the typical 3rd party gpu style cooler. heatpipes, etc

[misty saffron]

amd allows the cpu to access gpu memory directly??

that is.. quite a nice thing

[cursive summit]

With Ryzen 5000 yup

[sick creek]

is that only zen3? and will it work on x570?

[ashen spindle]

we dont know the specifics of it yet

[misty saffron]

considering that right now you have to copy the memory chunk to ram first

[sick creek]

ah ok

[cursive summit]

We'll see later on

[sick creek]

i arrived 20 mins late

[cursive summit]

Maybe there will be an article up soon specifying more details

[sick creek]

havent gone back and watched the beginning yet

super exciting though

[ashen spindle]

whitepaper is usually out on release of the hardware or a couple days before review embargo, tech people will cover that then so anandtech or similar sites will explain it in detail

would be too technical for a general announcement

[reef tundra]

"..and then the R28 is placed here to act as negative feedback to.."

yes

[cursive summit]

https://www.amd.com/en/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-6000-series

Hm

[ashen spindle]

yeah no 12 pin bullshit

[nova carbon]

its kind of sad that all that fancy engineering for the nvidia FE cards still didnt produce something that outperformed a standard cooler

[cursive summit]

What exactly is AV1 decode?

Is it an H.265 rival?

[ashen spindle]

well that's not accurate, if you drop it to lower wattage those coolers are insane

yes 265 was correct there

[cursive summit]

I don't quite understand what you mean 🙂

It was 265 from the beginning 😉

[zenith sonnet]

So, 6800 XT or 6900 XT?

Eh
6900 XT is a fair downgrade in price/perf

[cursive summit]

6800XT has the best price/perf

6900XT also looks very compelling

[zenith sonnet]

I'll be getting it under water
But I dunno how well the 6900 XT will scale with better cooling and potentially more power

[shadow minnow]

And kinda cheated. In 6900xt performance comparison there were extra features on

It is like if nvidia would compare their GPU with DLSS on with AMDs stock

[ashen spindle]

what extra features?

[cursive summit]

Rage mode and I think the smart access

Sure they did kinda cheat but do these make the performance or experience any worse?

[shadow minnow]

I mean, I would just want to see stock performance vs stock

They have shown that smart access makes difference

[ashen spindle]

that is not cheating, that is extremely tame compared to how nvidia showed the numbers lmao

thats why reviews are needed afterwards

but from just a marketing presentation comparison, nvidia did a 6/10 and amd a 8/10 I'd say for results and transparency

[reef tundra]

Nvidia pretty much lied by how much they manupulated the graphs and data

[cursive summit]

In the ending footnotes they literally list everything about how they measured the data

What CPUs they used, etc

[shadow minnow]

It is kinda cheating, same as nvidia cheated

It is like if nvidia would use DLSS vs no DLSS amd, just not that bad

[ashen spindle]

yeah no

sorry thats just not how that works

[cursive summit]

Nope buddy

[reef tundra]

you can change how data is preceived by changing the representation of it. like the axis scaling, axis devision, axis shortning, specific definitions, specific conditions, logirtitmic vs linear scaling

[cursive summit]

Something like that

Take this

I love how the max-Q is on much smaller font than the regular one is

You can literally see how this is just BS when you put a Max-Q against a regular mobile RTX 2060

Smart Access is just a clever way to utilize ways CPU and GPU talk together

I guess I would have liked for them not to include the RAGE mode

RAGE is just a fancy OC

[ashen spindle]

they confirmed rage doesnt void warranty so thats nice at least

also, I got a masterplan, what if they this time actually bait nvidia, the 3070 launches tomorrow so then they can still drop the price but nvidia cant

that time it would be a legit jebaited

[cursive summit]

@ashen spindle They did that with RX 5700 afaik

[reef tundra]

I used rage and now gpu kaput pls fix for free

[ashen spindle]

no with the 5700xt the marketing guys panicked and acted like it was 4d chess

but it wasnt

[reef tundra]

shows smashup gpu

[cursive summit]

Imagine Nvidia out of nowhere just announces 3070Ti, replacing all 3070 orders immediately

That'd be epic

[ashen spindle]

it's one of the models they are currently testing yes

[reef tundra]

That would be a shitshow and i would need popcorn

[ashen spindle]

ideal world: 3070 gets launched, 6800 gets pricecut, 3070ti launches

we'll see

[reef tundra]

nvidia stock moons

[zenith sonnet]

What about a 6700 XT, though?

[ashen spindle]

but I have to say, I am impressed, with just two generations they caught up to nvidia, when it took them 3 Zen generations to catch up/slight ahead of intel when intel was doing much worse than nvidia is

[cursive summit]

I need to see the masterminds behind this architecture

Surely it wasn't Raja Koduri?

[ashen spindle]

lol no

he was vega/gcn

[cursive summit]

Considering that was a bit of a flop

Intel's GPUs will prolly be a flop too

[zenith sonnet]

They can match a MX330, it seems

[ashen spindle]

with intel the team is much bigger so his own potential issues can be caught easier

also, intel gpu is primarily for datacenter

so it's a bit different

[cursive summit]

Lads what would be better

Prettier but taxing RTX or weaker but lightweight RTX

[reef tundra]

minecraft

[cursive summit]

The blocks are always the answer

[ashen spindle]

uhh what

[cursive summit]

But in all seriousness AMD's cards are rumoured to be quite lightweight on the RT

I heard the performance hit is much smaller than on RT

[reef tundra]

Always make a thrird option :bigthink:

[cursive summit]

It doesn't perform as well but it doesn't suffer as much either

I got used to calling RT as RTX

[reef tundra]

Well, not in hardware. (as in dedicated hardware)

[ashen spindle]

It doesn't perform as well but it doesn't suffer as much either
thats not how that works

[zenith sonnet]

Eh, isn't it all about the denoising?

I just hope we get sharp lighting effects
I hate blur

[cursive summit]

I heard AMD's implementation works quite a bit differently to Nvidia's and it doesn't eat as many resources

[ashen spindle]

yes its not dedicated cores, it's baked into each shading unit

if you use 10 rays, you use 10 rays, and that costs you x% performance

and will look the same

if it looks worse but faster, that means you used less rays

[cursive summit]

That's how Crytek showcased RT working on stuff like Vega 64?

Just less rays?

[ashen spindle]

for the most part yes

[reef tundra]

More rays mean more resolution (at a exponential cost)

[old marlin]

current impleementation of raytracing is just bad imo

they could use raycount as an indicator for actual lightning

[cursive summit]

So AMD'll just sacrifice some fidelity for FPS while also allowing FidelityFX to compensate

[old marlin]

instead they use the rays to light themselves

[ashen spindle]

if a game has a implementation that works on bot amd and nvidia, it will look the same but amd will be between ampere and turing in terms of RT performance

[pale sigil]

i missed it

[old marlin]

a game will work with direct x RT

[pale sigil]

didn't i

[cursive summit]

Yea

[old marlin]

@pale sigil yup

uhhh

[ashen spindle]

you missed nothing

[cursive summit]

You missed the slaughter

[old marlin]

nto a slaughter

[cursive summit]

Total annihilation?

[old marlin]

nah

like

it was good

[cursive summit]

Uh, nuclear detonation?

[old marlin]

but let's wait until we see non AMD affiliated numbers

before we judge performance

[reef tundra]

We spoke about the world and how to achieve world dominance

[old marlin]

seems like a more than competitive option so far

[cursive summit]

I do want to see Gamers Nexus get their hands on them

And to see what AIBs can cook up

[old marlin]

ehhh

[ashen spindle]

if you want to compare it to cpus, its as if its zen2.5

[old marlin]

stock PCBs with AMD always were good

[ashen spindle]

more on equal footing than beating

[old marlin]

and the cooler seems decent as well

[cursive summit]

So Zen+ but make it Zen2

[old marlin]

unless AMD did some rookie mistakes on it, which wouldn't fit them

[cursive summit]

Dunno Zen+ was just like +10% perf or so

[old marlin]

so I doubt any AIB card has any significant upside to it

[pale sigil]

No benchmarks

?

[cursive summit]

10 benchmarks

[old marlin]

yea

but like AMD numbers

[reef tundra]

Bench time

[old marlin]

imagine an alternative to 3070, 3080 and 3090

[pale sigil]

wot

[old marlin]

with a bit more fps average

and less powerdraw

[cursive summit]

And cheaper

[pale sigil]

even the 6900xt only has 16gb vram

WOT

[old marlin]

"only"

[cursive summit]

16GB is all you need

[old marlin]

they have some fast cache now

[reef tundra]

only

[old marlin]

and direct memory access if you use a X570 board

[pale sigil]

if we are comparing it to the 3090

i mean

[old marlin]

yea

[ashen spindle]

unless AMD did some rookie mistakes on it, which wouldn't fit them
@old marlin not true, if it scales better than ampere and AiBs can crank up power tehy can bin it/get more than an ampere AiB can

[old marlin]

300W 3090 performance

seems good

[reef tundra]

mmmm, memory safety?

[old marlin]

@ashen spindle that is true

although the past gens didn;t benefit a lot from that and more from coolers

[pale sigil]

prices are decent

[old marlin]

Oh also dedicated RT hardware

No numbers to them available atm though

[ashen spindle]

yeah we already knew that

[old marlin]

I personally only care about blender perf

[ashen spindle]

RT is in the units like shown on xbox slides

[old marlin]

For rt

Well we also know that a vega could get rtx 2070 levels of RT power if used correctly

So it didn't mean crap

[pale sigil]

6800xt looks good

[old marlin]

Also for decent RT peformance in games you don't need a lot of power

[pale sigil]

So the 6800xt is basically

A 3080

possibly

[ashen spindle]

but cooler and cheaper

[pale sigil]

cheaper?

[old marlin]

Rhh

[ashen spindle]

50$ below msrp

[old marlin]

Wouldn't say cheaper

Ince retail price is a different matter

[pale sigil]

not cheaper

lol

[old marlin]

So 3080 prices will drop probably

[pale sigil]

$50 aint worthy of saying "cheaper"

[ashen spindle]

ok give me 50$ then if you are suddenly that loaded lmao

[pale sigil]

if you're saving $600+

then im sure $50 aint a huge issue

[ashen spindle]

what

how are you saving 600$ when the price difference is 50

[pale sigil]

What i mean is if you're going for a chard thats $650 im sure you can go up to 700

[ashen spindle]

yeah or I can take the 50$ cheaper card and get the same performance

so its still cheaper

[pale sigil]

yes but you dont get nvidia goodness

[old marlin]

It won't be cheaper retail

100%

[pale sigil]

DLSS, Shadowplay and other stuff

[old marlin]

Nvidia will drop prices

Shadowplay is ass

Relive is just superior

[pale sigil]

Lol

Wot

[old marlin]

On every level

[pale sigil]

you high?

[cursive summit]

Fuck's Relive?

[pale sigil]

There is a reason Nvidia are closed about it

[cursive summit]

I only use Radeon Broadcast

[pale sigil]

Its superior and godly

[cursive summit]

Better than OBS

[old marlin]

Dunno how broadcast is

Relive is just better than shadowplay though

[pale sigil]

For broadcasting maybe?

But recording SHP has always been ahead

uses nothing to record, doesn't even make the gpu sweat.

Ansel is dope

[old marlin]

What

[cursive summit]

Relive is newer than shadowplay afaik

[old marlin]

Relive is the same in that regard

[cursive summit]

That's the AMD's new one

[old marlin]

But with better video codecs

So you get better video quality and file size

[urban lynx]

wait, amd finally has something like nvidia has shadowplay?

[cursive summit]

They had for a while

Like few years

[pale sigil]

Wow AMD have something useful for once

consider me inpressed

does it have an overlay etc?

[urban lynx]

last time i had an AMD card, there was nothing like shadowplay for it

[cursive summit]

Seems like it's this

[old marlin]

Relive has been around for a while

[pale sigil]

there was but it was garbage

[cursive summit]

But the UI changed

[crimson wigeon]

Yes there is an overlay I'm not sure why people love overlays so much

[ashen spindle]

fyi amd software stack was almost always better, most features nvidia has come from taking it from amd

like low latency

[cursive summit]

I don't even know where to find the ReLive

[pale sigil]

idk

[urban lynx]

what does "for a while" mean in actual measured time?

[pale sigil]

DLSS is the main thing for me

tbh

its extremely appealing to me

[cursive summit]

AMD DlSS implementation is also in the works lad

[ashen spindle]

ok, tell me which game you want to play that has it

[cursive summit]

Not confirmed, but it's coming

Is this ReLive?

[crimson wigeon]

Yes

[cursive summit]

oH SHIT

[ashen spindle]

sure dlss is nice, doesnt matter if the game you play doesnt have it implemented

[cursive summit]

That's actually kinda nifty

[pale sigil]

Any game possible that uses it

DLSS is insane

if i can use it i will

Especially for raytracing

DLSS will hopefully become the norm and it should not be underestimated

[cursive summit]

I feel like people are getting spoiled

[pale sigil]

We deserve to be spoiled

lol

[cursive summit]

Here I am worrying about best performance for my rig, and people just want fancy rays

[ashen spindle]

ok so you dont even know if a single game that you want to play will use it

[cursive summit]

Dunno man I want FPS

DLSS I quite like

[pale sigil]

DLSS comes at no cost.

[cursive summit]

Not "no cost"

[ashen spindle]

it needs to be implemented

[crimson wigeon]

Eh, Nvidia has successfully brainwashed people into thinking DLSS and RTX VOICE is 100000% necessary or else it's unusable junk

[pale sigil]

And gives you FPS...

Thats the whole point of DLSS

[cursive summit]

The image quality last I heard still isn't quite on par with native

[pale sigil]

Max quality high fps

lol

LOL it is

2.0

anything below was bad

but 2.0 is near native if not as good as native

[ashen spindle]

let me ask you again, do you know any game that you will play that uses dlss?

[cursive summit]

How many games will spend shit load of time to have DLSS though?

I bet indies won't

[vagrant marsh]

https://azerty.nl/amd-ryzen-equipped-to-win-2020

[pale sigil]

It will become the norm

[old marlin]

Dlss comes at a huge cost

[ashen spindle]

it wont become the norm because the norm will be something amd uses bc that will use some open source stuff

[old marlin]

It adds a shitton of motion blur

[cursive summit]

DLSS comes at a huge cost of a kidney

[pale sigil]

it comees at the cost of $50 more

lol

Id say its worth it

MSRP anyway

[ashen spindle]

great, so you really really want to pay 50$ more for something you might never use

aight

[pale sigil]

I believe\ it will become more and more used

i really do

a bunch of games i wanna play use it too

FYI

[ashen spindle]

so far you could tell me 0 games that use it that you will paly

and I asked like 4 times

[vagrant marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haAPtu06eYI

[cursive summit]

@ashen spindle Prolly some hentai simulator somewhere will use it

EXTRA CLARITY 4K TIDDIES

[vagrant marsh]

what? which hentai simulator?

[pale sigil]

Control, Metro, SoTR, Death Stranding, BFV, Watch Dogs Legion etc

all ones ive held off on

though tbf

some of them only have 1.0

[vagrant marsh]

mechwarrior 5 has dlss 2.0

[wheat plume]

Hey, I may sell my ultrawide and get two regular monitors instead

I need a monitor thats cheap and has display port and is at least 60Hz.

Maybe around €120-€200 price range cause I wanna get two of them

[vagrant marsh]

and it does improve by 20 fps at 1440p

[old marlin]

why do you need DLSS

[vagrant marsh]

dlss covers up a badly optimized game :p

[old marlin]

if the cards you need for it are more than powerful enough to run them on 1440p

[ashen spindle]

because he needs to find a reason to spend 50$ more

[vagrant marsh]

what 50 bucks more on what?

[ashen spindle]

gpu

[old marlin]

retail will be similar

[vagrant marsh]

you...

[pale sigil]

dlss covers up a badly optimized game :p

[vagrant marsh]

what?

[pale sigil]

Yesnt

[old marlin]

a few percent more perf will be mroe important than dlss

tbh

[ashen spindle]

how will retail be similar if amd sells them so you can get them at msrp guaranteed

[old marlin]

yea

nvidia lowers msrp

[ashen spindle]

the 3080 wont get AiBs that undercut msrp

[pale sigil]

Ray tracing is where it make a HUGE difference

[vagrant marsh]

dude, you pay 50 bucks more for a card thats worth 50 bucks more. dlss and raytracing is a bonus. the rtx 2000 series are just better cards than the freaking 1660 super shit

[old marlin]

what

[ashen spindle]

nvidia lowers msrp
@old marlin link?

[old marlin]

no link yet

they will 100%

[pale sigil]

dlss and raytracing is a bonus

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume Buy a 4K TV and game on it 😄

[old marlin]

they have no reason not to

[ashen spindle]

I dont think they legally can

[wheat plume]

I want two screens

[pale sigil]

Ugh exactly my point, may as well go with the better options

[ashen spindle]

this short after release?

[vagrant marsh]

if you enjoy 1080p gaming then go ahead, buy a 1660 super shit. i like my screen 1440p so i went for the 2070

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume 2 TVs?

[wheat plume]

no, two monitors

[pale sigil]

i use a 1440p/144hz

[ashen spindle]

Ugh exactly my point, may as well go with the better options
@pale sigil 6gb more vram seems like a better option

[pale sigil]

my gpu cries

Ye thats true

Quin

Very true

[vagrant marsh]

i have the money, so why wouldnt i use that money to buy something thats reasonably good?

[wheat plume]

Is this a good monitor? https://www.komplett.ie/philips-v-line-243v7qjabf-00/20859633/product/9511

[pale sigil]

Either way i think ill try get a 6800xt, if i dont get one ill get a 3080 maybe

idk

im conflicted af

[old marlin]

well

wait for reviews first

[pale sigil]

Lana

its a 1080p monitor

with IPS

its fine ^^

[vagrant marsh]

@wheat plume not really something i would go for. its design radiates office too much 😛

but if you think it would suit you, go ahead

[wheat plume]

idk, my desk space is small ;-;

[vagrant marsh]

yea, then you definately dont want to go overboard with the size

[wheat plume]

I cant put my computer on the ground cause that has carpet

[ashen spindle]

so put something between the carpet and your pc

done

[wheat plume]

I have enough room for my PC, two speakers, 21:9 monitor on my desk

[vagrant marsh]

i also got carpet and i put it on hte ground just fine. but ive specifically used a case that has full mesh so the dust stays outside

[wheat plume]

mine has a mesh cover over the fan

but the fan at the bottom blows out

into the ground so itll stir up dust

[ashen spindle]

and?

[pale sigil]

What first

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume How much are you willing to spend on a screen

And what do you want?

[wheat plume]

I need it to have displayport

and hdmi

[cursive summit]

But like what do you want?

[pale sigil]

My 5800x/Mobo/Case/RAM/Other shit
ORRR GPU

[cursive summit]

Resolution? Refresh rate?

Freesync?

[wheat plume]

oh, 1080 60HZ fine

[cursive summit]

Price point?

[wheat plume]

120 - 180 cause I need two

[pale sigil]

Lana only plays Minecraft

[wheat plume]

well, want two...

I dont XD

[ashen spindle]

get whatever has the things you need on your irish websites and get the cheapers one that doesn't have reviews calling it trash

not much to reccomend

[vagrant marsh]

hmm. so november 6th the amd cpu's release. november 18th the gpu's. hmm

[pale sigil]

5th

[cursive summit]

Lemme look around for you @wheat plume

[vagrant marsh]

hmm, yes. dont want to be off by a day because everything will be sold out within a minute

XD

[ashen spindle]

keep in mind you need to find that monitor in ireland

[vagrant marsh]

ireland?

[wheat plume]

I dont want two screenf or gaming, I want two screens for project work so I can have shit I need to lookthrough in a differet screen so I dont have to switch with alt tab the whole time

[vagrant marsh]

they got pc

in ireland?

[wheat plume]

Yeah, Ireland cause 23% import fees = bad

[pale sigil]

whats up with your ultrawide

[wheat plume]

I like it a lot, I was thinking getting one monitor and having it above the ultrawide

but idk how to do that

[vagrant marsh]

put it on a stand?

[wheat plume]

or if you can have two monitors with two different ratios

[ashen spindle]

yes

?????

[wheat plume]

I plugged my laptop into this TV and it didnt use the whole screen

it was locked to 16:9 and stretched it

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume Does size matter to you?

24", 27"?

[vagrant marsh]

only in bed

😆

[ashen spindle]

because it was set up wrong from what it sounds like

[cursive summit]

@vagrant marsh You don't even 1"

[wheat plume]

If I sell the ultrawide then it does, or if I keep the ultrawide Ill need one monitor I can put on a stand to have it above it

[vagrant marsh]

dude, im gifted

[ashen spindle]

I have an ultrawide and a 16:9 that is rotated 90°

[cursive summit]

@vagrant marsh Love you regardless ❤️

[ashen spindle]

here is what you do lana, you put the pc on the ground, yout get a random 16:9 monitor that the site has and put it on the side of your current one

done

or get a monitor mount if you want it above

thats your choice

[wheat plume]

I cant, no desk space

I currently have my monitor standing on a phone box to make it high enough that im not bending my neck down to look at it

[ashen spindle]

you dont have like 30cm if you put the pc on the ground?

[vagrant marsh]

that just means you have a bad table

[wheat plume]

it does :/

[cursive summit]

How about this

Iyama makes some good budget shit

[wheat plume]

TN or IPS?

[cursive summit]

FreeSync for no tearing

Since I KNOW YOU HATE IT

[vagrant marsh]

spend 500 bucks more and you get gsync

😛

[wheat plume]

I have screen tearing sorted already

[cursive summit]

That one is TN

[wheat plume]

oh

[cursive summit]

Most cheap ones are TN

[wheat plume]

TN bad?

[ashen spindle]

it doesnt sound like you need monitor advice but rather that you need to figure out how to set up your desk

[cursive summit]

Not really

TN has gotten better

[wheat plume]

it doesnt sound like you need monitor advice but rather that you need to figure out how to set up your desk
@ashen spindle Also true

[ashen spindle]

so do that first

[vagrant marsh]

just buy an ultrawide

[wheat plume]

I should bring my desk from home but it wouldnt fit up the stairs

[vagrant marsh]

https://www.samsung.com/nl/business/monitors/curved-qled-monitor-c49rg9/lc49rg90ssuxen/

[cursive summit]

Wtf

[vagrant marsh]

2 screens in one

[wheat plume]

just buy an ultrawide
@vagrant marsh I HAVE ONE xd

[vagrant marsh]

not this ultra

[cursive summit]

That will cost at least 600$

[wheat plume]

yeah

im not rich

[cursive summit]

If you want a cheap ultrawide, there is a Gigabyte one

I think it's like 32" or something 1440p ultrawide

I think it was 320$?

[vagrant marsh]

try over 1000 euro

[cursive summit]

Yeah fuck that shit

[vagrant marsh]

XD

[wheat plume]

ahm, I found that one in the irish website

[cursive summit]

I'd rather buy a 4K LG OLED

@wheat plume That's a 24" and not 27"

[vagrant marsh]

lets see

alternatives

[cursive summit]

But it fits the bill

[wheat plume]

Yeah, idc that much about size

;) UwU

[cursive summit]

@vagrant marsh Look up the Gigabyte ultrawide

1440p

[vagrant marsh]

800 bucks for hte philips p-line 498p9/00

[wheat plume]

boi

[cursive summit]

Ffs the person isn't rich

[wheat plume]

I said my price range is 120 - 180 xd

[cursive summit]

800$ was the price of her rig

[wheat plume]

^^

[vagrant marsh]

dude

[cursive summit]

She ain't no way in hell spending that much

[vagrant marsh]

that gigabyte isnt ultrawide

its only 34 inch

[cursive summit]

It is

[ashen spindle]

Lana, figure out how to make use of your desksize and then come back for monitor advice

[cursive summit]

34" is enough

[vagrant marsh]

no! 49 inch!

[cursive summit]

That's a TV...

Which is cheaper..

[wheat plume]

Lana, figure out how to make use of your desksize and then come back for monitor advice
@ashen spindle yeah...... Id need to find a way to move my PC to the floor

[vagrant marsh]

no, thats a dual 1440p screen

XD

[wheat plume]

then it might fit beside my current one

might

[ashen spindle]

get a slap of wood or plastic and put it under it

done

[wheat plume]

oh

[ashen spindle]

idk what you think would make it so complicated

[vagrant marsh]

in my case, i work at a workshop as a welder so i can make my own pedestral if i want a screen above my current screen

[wheat plume]

yeh but power cable isnt very long, ill need an extension lead and im wary of using extension plugs for a PC

[cursive summit]

For the price this thing looks lit

[wheat plume]

ooo

[ashen spindle]

so move it down and figure out if cables fit

[vagrant marsh]

https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1596610/gigabyte-g34wqc-zwart/specificaties/

449 euro

[ashen spindle]

I have my pc and both monitor plugged into one extension cord ¯_(ツ)_/¯ doesnt matter

[wheat plume]

o

[ashen spindle]

and yours uses a lot less power

[wheat plume]

450Watt

[cursive summit]

What's the cheapest good ultrawide on Amazon I wonder

[vagrant marsh]

amazon basics? 😛

[wheat plume]

mine is the cheapest on amazon xd

[cursive summit]

@vagrant marsh Fuck that man

[ashen spindle]

yes, so put the pc on the ground and figure out cables, then see if you can fit a second monitor with your current one

[cursive summit]

Don't mention the devil

[vagrant marsh]

lets see

[wheat plume]

this my current one :P

[vagrant marsh]

the aoc gaming

i think

[cursive summit]

27" VA?

Not great not terrible

[wheat plume]

what is a VA panel like?

[cursive summit]

Mix of IPS and TN

Looks good

Runs fast

So basically both

[wheat plume]

hmm, so VA > IPS > TN ?

[cursive summit]

I had a VA for a year now

It's awesome

No no

IPS > VA

[wheat plume]

oohh

[cursive summit]

But VA still looks great

[ashen spindle]

you dont want IPS in dark rooms and you dont want VA for dark level smearing (if a lot of the picture is dark)

[cursive summit]

And you can get fast VA's for much cheaper than fast IPS

[wheat plume]

I just like to have good colors, not washed out

[cursive summit]

Nope VA does have good colours

That is kinda resolution tied I'd say though

[ashen spindle]

it has high contrast, not great dark levels

[cursive summit]

I had a Samsung CFG73 for a year now

[wheat plume]

thats fine, I like my games bright enough to not be blind in dark areas

[cursive summit]

24" 144Hz VA

It is a great monitor I can't say anything against it

[wheat plume]

ooo the iiyama one has an adjustable stand

thats very handy

[cursive summit]

Though I'll be getting a gaming TV 😄

I wanted an LG CX series but those sold out

So will get a Samsung with a free soundbar

[wheat plume]

LG SEX

[cursive summit]

You down for that?

🎵 Smooth operator

[wheat plume]

:')

[cursive summit]

Fuck if my fiancee sees that I'm dead

[wheat plume]

OOOF XD

[cursive summit]

Sooo listen to Quintosh and do whatever he said

He's a knowledgeable fellow

[ashen spindle]

(make space, look how much space, find second monitor for that space)

[wheat plume]

I have IPS, its good enough for me

[cursive summit]

And as far as monitors go

If you want a cheap second one

Iiyama goes for low prices

I'd recommend FreeSync though

It's quite amazing for tearing

[wheat plume]

response time 4ms, idk what mine is rn

[cursive summit]

The advertised one is usually nowhere near the real one

[wheat plume]

really high I bet

I really like the adjustable stand

I have not had that on a monitor before

ive had to use books or whatever to make them higher up if I needed to

[cursive summit]

I have an adjustable stand

Need a video demonstrating it?

It TILTS

I can make it like a phone screen

[urban lynx]

i cant go higher, cause i got a slanted ceiling deal going on

[cursive summit]

I got no clue why you'd do so but it TILTS

It's kinda cool

[wheat plume]

:')

[urban lynx]

i mean if you use your second monitor to have like a wiki explanation stuff on, or a chat, it might be better vertical

[wheat plume]

oh, seems this one isnt height adjustable, but it alredy had a longer stand than my current one

monitor names are a nightmare

the iiyama jsdf;\hg iurdsghsuirghbrt 27 inch

[wheat plume]

owo

[cursive summit]

Why can I do this I have no clue

[wheat plume]

it would be handy to have a portrait panel for things like reading websites or whatnot

[cursive summit]

Mine's a 24"

23.5" actually

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/9eU2poPBCk4

[cursive summit]

Iiyama's been making good things for a while

AOC is probably the next best thing

[wheat plume]

I think my friend has a monitor from them

[vagrant marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpgu-cTjyM

[cursive summit]

ProLite isn't gaming

[wheat plume]

ohh hm

[cursive summit]

@vagrant marsh You are 2 hours 43 minutes late

[vagrant marsh]

scheisse

[cursive summit]

2hrs. 44 minutes now

[vagrant marsh]

i only just noticed it in my feed

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume I recommend one with a VA panel and FreeSync

But you must answer the question do you even need one?

What's your current ultrawide?

[wheat plume]

wdym what is it?

it 60HZ and I love it for games :D and videos that are 21:9

[cursive summit]

What's the current ultrawide you are using? Who made it

AOC?

[wheat plume]

LG

[cursive summit]

Part number?

[cursive summit]

Oh it's that one

25" ultrawide oof

[wheat plume]

?

[cursive summit]

Dunno I don't see much good in a small ultrawide

[wheat plume]

all of iiyama's gaming monitors are TN panels

[cursive summit]

It fucks your aspect ratio and fucks old games

[wheat plume]

the g-master ones

[cursive summit]

Do you want to buy only from that Irish store?

Can amazon.co.uk ship to ireland for cheap?

[wheat plume]

that would be the best option

or amazon DE

[cursive summit]

I prefer .co.uk cause I want to enjoy the last minutes of pre-Brexit

[wheat plume]

amazon uk heck no, I dont want to deal with import fees and coverting currency

[vagrant marsh]

the 50% on the right is bigger than the 50% on the left...

[ashen spindle]

obviously

[vagrant marsh]

they either cant percentage or they cant draw

[ashen spindle]

nope its accurate

[vagrant marsh]

how is a bigger block same percentage as smaller block

[ashen spindle]

it's 100/150/225 in relative percent, because 50% from 2 to 3 is obviously more than the previous 50% were

[wheat plume]

https://www.komplett.ie/aoc-24p2c-23-8/20998779/product/9511

[vagrant marsh]

...

[wheat plume]

this seems neat, if I only get one of them to put alongside my 21:9

[ashen spindle]

seems fine, price is a bit high but thats probably irish tax

[wheat plume]

yeh :/

[cursive summit]

Doesn't look half bad

[vagrant marsh]

netherlands has 21% tax

[wheat plume]

when I got my PC build parts from here, they all came from the netherlands

[ashen spindle]

it's not the actual tax

[wheat plume]

cause the main komplett warehouse is there

[ashen spindle]

irish prices in general are higher

[wheat plume]

yeah

I see people in america getting really nice hardware for much cheaper

and im just like sighs sadly

[cursive summit]

How about