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[ashen spindle]

shit ton of marketing sure

same will be on 5nm for amd, 5nm, pcie5, ddr5

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/RedGamingTech/status/1319934240289587200 wonder if its one with good comparable results or just some weird one

RedGamingTech (@RedGamingTech)

Oh interesting. Just got given actual results of RX 6800 XT benchmarks in games.

I guess that'll be in a video later.

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[wheat plume]

does ubuntu use a swap file? cause I have 2GB swap but no swap partition Today I learned some things

[reef patrol]

A quick google tells me... not by default.

[wheat plume]

but.... then how?

[ashen spindle]

that looks like a boot partition and not a swap?

[wheat plume]

I dont have a swap partition

Unless gparted is wrong

[reef tundra]

There are also swapfiles

[wheat plume]

yeh but I didnt make one and Ubuntu doesnt make one by default

I did automatic install where it setup partitions itself

according to fstab a swap file was created somehow

A quick google tells me... not by default.
@reef patrol it tells me differently :')

[reef patrol]

Interesting 😄

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

hmm, today I learned...

2GB seems small though, thought swap had to be the same as your RAM amount, or half of it if you dont want to hibernate

[reef tundra]

discard the webcontent and you only need 1g anyways

[reef tundra]

dont skip it

[wheat plume]

im tempted

but I wont

[reef tundra]

it only asks for trouble

[wheat plume]

lag spikes ;-;

[reef tundra]

most oftenly it just leads to a unstartable game

[wheat plume]

oooo

rip

[reef tundra]

increase the nice level to lower the priority of that process

Pretty much tells linux kernel that it can put other processes infront of it and work on it when idling

turns it into an background task and allows you to use the pc without too much lag spikes.

[cursive summit]

@ashen spindle You have piqued my interest

https://youtu.be/HJcxKTX65F4

And here it is

Key takeaway here

RX 6800XT in 10 GAMES

AT 1440P or 4K resolution

AT 4K, 6800XT WINS against RTX 3080 in 5 games

TIES in 2

LOSES in 3

No games were mentioned as it's against his leaker's wishes

But this is from the AMD slides they will show on 28th

This is RX 6800XT btw

Not the top of the line one

IN 1440P

RTX 3080 LOSES in 8 titles

And beats AMD in 2 titles

[crimson wigeon]

now you've got my attention

[cursive summit]

RTX perf wise, Nvidia wins

RTX 2080Ti = RX 6800XT in terms of raytracing

But not close to RTX 3000 series at all

AMD also possesses some kind of upsampling technology

[chrome estuary]

wait so what games are they?

[cursive summit]

DLSS but AMD equivalent

[chrome estuary]

i mean if this isn't just a load of bullshit... I might buy one

[cursive summit]

I am fairly sure this data is taken from AMD slides they will show

Oh the guy just mentioned AMD DLSS equivalent will launch later

Not at launch

Pricing wise, AMD don't know their prices yet

They are doing the Jensen method

Deciding on the price just before the presentation

An unconfirmed leaker also told this guy, that AMD will not price the cards aggressively

They might be barely cheaper or even match Nvidia

[zenith sonnet]

Nvidia got years headstart on optimising RTRT performance, so AMD can only gain on that front
But given how irrelevant it still is, for me it's not a deciding factor at all

[cursive summit]

It's relevant for players who play on 8K TVs

Soo.. like 0.01% of the population

[zenith sonnet]

Release me from Cryo sleep when we have 8K 144Hz

[cursive summit]

I'll wake you up in 2025

[ashen spindle]

jesus what happend here

did you transcribe the video

[cursive summit]

AMD murdering NVDIA

Yeah

Anyways he dropped all the good stuff in the first minutes of the video

Later it was just ramblings

[reef patrol]

Does it show games with RT enabled?

Can't open video rn

[cursive summit]

He didn't say anything of RT games

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

But he spoke of RT performance being worse

So AMD might have a thing or two to show

If he knows about the perf

[ashen spindle]

it's a bit above turing

[cursive summit]

He says 6800XT is on par with 2080Ti

I now really wonder how the RX 6900XT will do

[ashen spindle]

(for RT its on par) otherwise its much better

[cursive summit]

Oh and Nvidia cancelling their 2x RAM cards was a mistake I heard

They thought they were fine, and now they are panicking

AMD really caught them unprepared

[ashen spindle]

not like they would've done anything anyway beside saying we got more ram

[cursive summit]

What are the RTX 3070Ti rumours?

Oh this one

[ashen spindle]

same like with 16/20gb versions, depends on what amd launches

[cursive summit]

GeForce RTX 3090: 10,496 CUDA cores, 384-bit memory bus, 24GB GDDR6X
GeForce RTX 3080: 8,704 CUDA cores, 320-bit memory bus, 10GB GDDR6X
GA102-150-KD-A1: 7,424 CUDA cores, 320-bit memory bus, ????
GeForce RTX 3070: 5,888 CUDA cores, 256-bit memory bus, 8GB GDDR6

So a shit load more cores

[reef tundra]

pog

[cursive summit]

That's not just a RAM increase

[ashen spindle]

if they put one card in that slot between 70 and 80, they definitely will put out a ti there

[cursive summit]

3070Ti looks like a 3080 killer

[ashen spindle]

bc they aint giving that area in the market up for free

nah more likely to make 70 buyers regret it

[cursive summit]

70 isn't out yet, and they are already killing it off

[ashen spindle]

heavily depends if it would use g6 or g6x

[cursive summit]

Why heavily?

AMD is winning with GDDR6

Against 6X

[ashen spindle]

if it's a 80 killer or just making 70 owners regret it

cant be both

[cursive summit]

I feel like it won't use 6X

For lower price

They want to earn money, but also to beat AMD

GDDR6 might be enough for a response while also giving some extra margins for profit

Jensen needs his new jackets

Are people doing a watch party here of AMD's presentation?

[ashen spindle]

no it depends on if the controller can even use 6x or not

[zenith sonnet]

Watch party sounds cool

When is it again?

Wednesday, what time?

100% truth

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

@zenith sonnet 12 pm Eastern

[zenith sonnet]

What's that in world time?

[cursive summit]

Which timezone you in?

GMT+2?

[zenith sonnet]

Yeah

[cursive summit]

So 18:00 it seems like

We doing a watch party boys?

And gals?

[crimson wigeon]

Hell yeah

[zenith sonnet]

Oh wow

http://ecodiet.kaansarkaya.com/

I left this running since yesterday

And moved from 16% to 19%

Why is this website slowing down SO much?

It's a calculation that should be done in a couple seconds

It does not freeze...

[cursive summit]

For a second I thought that this was a calculator for weight loss

[crimson wigeon]

Yes, for serif sans-serif and monospace I have my preferred font first and then my preferred emoji font

I'm not 100% sure if it's the right way to do it but it works so whatever

[thick elk]

the other way around also works, I set my emoji font first. If a character is missing it goes to the next font in line. emoji fonts only include emoji's and non emoji fonts mostly don't include them.

[crimson wigeon]

Probably but I don't trust the emoji font to not have any normal characters

[thick elk]

chances of that happening are lower than the other way around

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/patrickschur_/status/1320346548937641986 looks like it's be a good contender of for the 3080 with marginally lower power draw, nice

Patrick Schur (@patrickschur_)

Here are some results with a TGP of 255 W. Don't ask me what's the difference between 255 W and 289 W models.
Probably more OC headroom and more stable boost clocks? 🤔

System 2
Avg: 2298 MHz
Median: 2357 MHz
Max: 2509 MHz

System 3
Avg: 1993 MHz
Median: 2342 MHz
Max: 2557 MH...

Twitter

[wheat plume]

Can you turn off a mongDB Atlas cluster?

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/patrickschur_/status/1320387050789654529

Patrick Schur (@patrickschur_)

Here are some more details about System 1. You can see that the clock was more than 85 % of the time ≥ 2300 MHz.

≥ 2500 MHz (10.28 %)
2400 ≤ x < 2500 MHz (24.46 %)
2300 ≤ x < 2400 MHz (50.49 %)
2200 ≤ x < 2300 MHz (3.64 %)
2100 ≤ x < 2200 MHz (1.38 %)
< 2100 MHz (9.75 %)

Twitter

so 2.3 easily sustained throughout 3DMark nice

[wheat plume]

discord uses roughly the same ram as having youtube and 16 othre tabs open on chrome.....

[timid chasm]

but not when you have 27 tabs open

1791 to 399 for me, lol

Fun race

[wheat plume]

O

[ashen spindle]

discord uses 25mb for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[timid chasm]

Are you only in Wooting?

[ashen spindle]

ahahahhaha

not even close

[timid chasm]

I'm in 12 servers but basically just this and our personal server. The rest are for random games/projects I'm following

[ashen spindle]

https://i.gyazo.com/6ea6a0d31c3e3dd08cb9e6ebafbf95f4.mp4

handful of servers

[timid chasm]

for the emojis?

cause seriously wtf

[ashen spindle]

ehh like 15ish for emotes when I had nitro

but most are somes that I rarely visit, like once a month at most

some for beat saber/beat saber modding etc. and similar for a few other games

[wheat plume]

https://i.gyazo.com/6ea6a0d31c3e3dd08cb9e6ebafbf95f4.mp4
@ashen spindle O.o

[wheat plume]

74C when playing Minecraft with shaders

[ashen spindle]

pretty normal

[timid chasm]

especially on a laptop

Lana's too elite for the scrubs of Wooting apparently

[wheat plume]

cause I dont have much time ;-;

I gtg now, thats why ive quit the game for now

[timid chasm]

translation "What little time I do have I don't want to spend with you all"

hurtful words Lana

[honest jolt]

so many of you are using linux for work / gaming. what distro could you recommend to a linux noob? How's gaming with proton/wine: do you have many issues (also little: like intro music not playing etc.)? And how is gaming, when you want to play something not tripple A?

[pale sigil]

Ha

^

Just don't play destiny 2

XD

Insta ban

[honest jolt]

yeah, i heard the issue with linux and anti cheat / mutiplayer. does this also include denuvo and co?

[pale sigil]

Yes

Never mind pro

Works for proton apparently

Anti cheats are risky with Linux

Always

[honest jolt]

@digital cliff well, thats not good. it's not that i do play many games with anti cheat, but that's quite the dealbreaker (excluding migration of data). Thanks for your help tho @pale sigil and @digital cliff.

[ashen spindle]

https://blurbusters.com/porsche-design-and-aoc-announce-partnership-in-high-end-gaming-monitor-design/ Porsche is not what I thought of a brand getting into monitors

granted its just design and then resell the panels

[crisp granite]

bruh

first with legos and now monitors

[misty saffron]

can somebody please tell me i didn’t fuck up by buying arturia minilab mkii

obviously it had to be something nice and cheap - first device of a kind for me

[neat oriole]

Porsche Design and Porsche are separate companies technically

And Porsche Design is pretty legit as a design company

[ashen spindle]

sure but they are still not going to make any improvements as they dont make the panels

they only thing would be a push of better panels that others dont push as hard

(in terms of being a good adition to monitor options)

[neat oriole]

Well it would just be AOC [model name] by Porsche Design or something

It’s purely for aesthetics

They’re a design company

[ashen spindle]

well they could be pushing for a good panel (and be overpriced in their mondel) but might be cheaper for others as a cause of bigger production volumes

or, more likely, wont really change much

[neat oriole]

I mean they’ll just be making fancy looking low production volume monitors

[ashen spindle]

probably yeah

[neat oriole]

That’s what they do with phones at least

[misty saffron]

i really like my porsche design glasses

[ashen spindle]

I really like my porsche design porsche

[urban lynx]

i really like my porsche design TRACTOR

[neat oriole]

Say what you will but Porsche design is a legit design company

They don’t just paint some Chinese oem stuff red and slap a horse logo on It like a certain other brand

[misty saffron]

good design company as well

shit they make actually looks quite expensive

[thick elk]

Nice, antivirus software is at it again: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Channels/Meetings/2020-10-22
latest firefox update got recalled because certain antivirus crap caused it to crash.

[reef tundra]

The kernel is my antivirus

[urban lynx]

i want a new gpu

but everything is stuuuupiiiiid in the world rn

[ashen spindle]

amd event in 2 days 🙂

[crimson wigeon]

FINALLY!

[halcyon moss]

exciting hardware times

AMD cpu, gpu, nvidia, xbox, ps5

[urban lynx]

i just want a gpu before mid november pls

[zenith sonnet]

Doubt they'll release GPUs the same time as CPUs

And announce them a month later

[crimson wigeon]

What if "On store shelves... tomorrow!"

[zenith sonnet]

We'd have a lot of leaks rn

[urban lynx]

someone would speak

[crimson wigeon]

Drue

[zenith sonnet]

Same as with the 5000 series

Which are due Nov. 5th

[ashen spindle]

I do expect some SKU to be out before november 10, idk which one though

other dates, no clue

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/j1FfVK6sj4I

[halcyon moss]

clickbait, but i'll bite

[wheat plume]

welp

[halcyon moss]

geezus that tone is over the top scary

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/dYTlSlnb-iE

[halcyon moss]

ok, not ganno wathc it all, its terrible. seems suiper easy to prove. just have a audio spectrum analyser and show it.

yet the video does not show proof, and only stock image scare mongering

[reef tundra]

The titles alone give me the impression of it fearmongering

Jeez, the video itself comes across as the delusional truman with the fbi in his frontgarden.

[wheat plume]

:')

[halcyon moss]

what does that even mean lana

[wheat plume]

delusional truman with the fbi in his frontgarden.

Hmm
Never seen this option before

[halcyon moss]

i thought that was default since a while

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah

Although if you flash custom ROMs and what not you can remove the encryption..

[wheat plume]

yeh, but flashing a custom rom does a factory reset

so if someone tries that they wont get anything from you

[crimson wigeon]

Obviously it would require a complete wipe yeah

[halcyon moss]

unlocking requires a factory reset

[thick elk]

Remember that encryption on android only really works if you use a password for login

[wheat plume]

the only time that there is no factory reset is if you are not encrypted and you change custom rom, cause you only need to wipe system , cache and vendor but internal storage is not wiped

[thick elk]

otherwise the encryption keys themselves have to be stored on the device which allows it to be decrypted

[pale sigil]

A lot of phones are decrypted by default now

Which is why you have to wipe pretty much when flashing etc

Also why you can't access your phone files without unlocking or access them via a bootloader

[wheat plume]

wow.... I want his GPU

[reef tundra]

that resolution

[wheat plume]

he has 3 screens

or 2

not too sure

[thick elk]

The problem is most android phones do it poorly, with the right tools you can obtain the files, unless the person actually bothered to properly encrypt with a password on top.

Or rather you have to store the encryption keys somewhere. Fingerprints cannot be used for that, neither will a unlock pattern or simple pin code be sufficient.

[wheat plume]

my roms in android 10 were encrypted, I had to use a pattern to unlock the recovery and also it took about 20 seconds after logging in to display my home screen

[thick elk]

apple does this with a propriatary security chip.

[wheat plume]

but 11 isnt rn

[thick elk]

I deliberately encrypted mine with a password on top, data gets unlocked by typing in the password at boot and again every 24 hours.

[halcyon moss]

@pale sigil encrypted or decrypted?

[wheat plume]

and again every 24 hours.
your phone turns off every 24 hours so you can decrypt it?

[thick elk]

it just prompts for password, so technically that is just on the lock screen

[wheat plume]

ooohhhhh

my phone does that too

every so often when I try to use fingerprint to unlock it prompts for my pattern

[pale sigil]

Encrypted

Tired xD

[wheat plume]

not really, the recovery isnt

[halcyon moss]

go to bed on time :p

[pale sigil]

Never

[wheat plume]

:P

[halcyon moss]

</old ppl advice>

[ashen spindle]

either intel CEO might change again soon or I'm getting baited and its a different big company 👀

also anyone know where you see patch notes for future linux patches? seems like the next ones are having some details about AMD gpus

[reef tundra]

https://www.kernel.org/

[ashen spindle]

oh that was too easy lmao thx

[ashen spindle]

well it wasn't there but I did find it 👀 https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/amd-gfx/2020-October/055007.html

[cursive summit]

That's.. a lot

36% uplift

Damn bro

I really can't wait for that

[ashen spindle]

ez, amd now has same prices so they find some price reduceds 10400F sku or something and say its much better bc its basically the same for less

[zenith sonnet]

It'll be about futureproofing through AVX 512

[pale sigil]

JUST GIVE ME MY 5800X

[ashen spindle]

could've gotten a 5600x two weeks ago already :p

[pale sigil]

wot

[ashen spindle]

a french site fucked up and listed it, at least one person got one :p

[pale sigil]

loool

[crisp granite]

bruh

that person is one lucky bastard

[ashen spindle]

but the guy didn't have a board so he couldnt use it yet lel

[pale sigil]

soon https://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-am4-zen-3-8-core-16-thread-38ghz-47ghz-turbo-36mb-cache-pcie-40-105w-cpu

I was gonna say he aint lucky

cos he wont be able to use it

lol

i just want the cpu in my hand

im not in a rush to use it

just want to make sure i have one

[crisp granite]

same

as with all parts, better to get one while you can

[crimson wigeon]

I just want it all now so I can finally build a new rig that's actually capable of doing stuff

[crisp granite]

yeah

[pale sigil]

in an ideal world

yes

but right now its not ideal

xD

[crisp granite]

my dual core is on it's last legs

[pale sigil]

there is no way im getting a 3080

i have a 7700k

lol

So im not desperate

[crisp granite]

that's great

7700K is a great chip

[pale sigil]

is it though

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-is-it-though-thor-bruce-banner-gif-14242312

[crisp granite]

compared to Zen 3, no

[pale sigil]

its shite

its the last Intel dud CPU were they refused to make a change

i should have got a 8700k

[old marlin]

I mean

7700k fills all you need for gaming

in ALMOST all cases

[pale sigil]

gaming

[old marlin]

you can also OC it to the moon and back

[crisp granite]

true

[pale sigil]

Fuck ocing

[old marlin]

yea

[pale sigil]

i did fr some time

[old marlin]

it is easy af with them

[pale sigil]

5ghz

[old marlin]

yea

[pale sigil]

anyway

Fuck Intel

[old marlin]

lol

[crisp granite]

selling dual cores in 2020

[pale sigil]

I just want a cpu that can do everything good

when im gaming anything outside of it is just meh

[old marlin]

problem is just how bad HT is in comparison to actual cores

well idk what you are doing

[crimson wigeon]

I'm tired of having to wait for so long for my kernel to compile ecks dee

[old marlin]

for anything intensive outside gaming a modern ryzen will be better

well for compiling intel is shit anyways

[crisp granite]

intel just sucks for anything other than E-sports

[old marlin]

wat

[crisp granite]

AMD pulls ahead in some games

[old marlin]

the input delay shit is wrong

just not true

[crisp granite]

that scale with moar corez

[old marlin]

and in e-sports AMD is pulling ahead by now

fps wise

[pale sigil]

On aeverage

• Game
• Discord (Modified)
• Many tabs which end up being cpu intense
• Whatsapp
• SFTP/Terminal stuff (takes fuck all but lising anyway)
• Running steam
• Usually vscode etc sometimes when gaming
• Loads of other shit i cant remember form the top of my head

[old marlin]

I am glad I got a 6600k

[pale sigil]

i had a 6600k

xD

[old marlin]

made it much easier to argue why I need a new one

[ashen spindle]

• Usually vscode etc sometimes when gaming
  why

[pale sigil]

cos sometimes when im parting up or waiting for games i do some stuff

on my other monitor

[ashen spindle]

do just tab out and code while respawning

[crimson wigeon]

Hell yeah wish I was smart enough to do that

[pale sigil]

cba

prefer to jsut go to my other monitor

[ashen spindle]

I mean, great if it works, I could just not see how I could focus on both at the same time

[pale sigil]

and a lot of the time i need to keep an eye on my game

[ashen spindle]

yes tab out is the same as using other monitor here

[pale sigil]

i thought you meant minimize tab out sort of thing

lol

Also 7700k is really lacking if im trying to push 144fps

[old marlin]

what clock are you running at

[pale sigil]

4.6 atm because i had no benefit in the games i play

so i just left it

[old marlin]

if it makes no difference

I doubt you are CPU capped

[pale sigil]

i am, i did a lot of research on it, the games i play are mostly cpu bound for past 100 for some reason

im not sure why

[ashen spindle]

how are you cpu bound if 400mhz increase does nothing for you

[pale sigil]

Guess im wording it wrong

What im saying is some games i play start relying on the cpu for over 100, gpu it makes no difference.

And the gap seems to be quite big when it comes to say the 10700k

[old marlin]

the 7700k cores are just as fast as 10700k cores

if you run at the same clock

[cursive summit]

Dunno how about you lads but I am excited af for Wednesday

[pale sigil]

at 1440p

btw

[cursive summit]

I really need to see the prices for the new GPUs

[pale sigil]

Whats wed

[ashen spindle]

amd

[old marlin]

a 10700k is basically 2 7700k in one cpu

[cursive summit]

I am getting a 4K TV soon and I want to play games natively on it

AMD's next gen cards

[pale sigil]

Ohh

i forgot

[crisp granite]

right

[cursive summit]

18:00 GMT+2

[crisp granite]

I gotta prepare for thursday

[cursive summit]

So for France it's what, 16:00?

Germany 17:00?

[pale sigil]

D2 for example

Shit on the 7700k

[crimson wigeon]

Garbage on the 2600k

[pale sigil]

At 1440p

its starts to rely on the cpu a lot more

1080p is fine

[ashen spindle]

uhhhhh

[crimson wigeon]

Does it ever not? Framerate is just as shit no matter what graphics settings I put it at

[ashen spindle]

are you sure increasing resolution is taxing your cpu more ?

[pale sigil]

d2 does not increase fps if you reduce the settings no

[old marlin]

it can't use the extra cores though

[pale sigil]

its all ive noticed

[old marlin]

of something like a 10700k

like

[pale sigil]

from seeing a lot of shit on youtube and benchmarks

i dont know whats going on

[old marlin]

if it only runs on 4C 8T

a 7700k at 5.0ghz will perform as good as a 9900k

[pale sigil]

but d2 does not utilize the gpu to its full but it does the cpu, i compared a lot of cpus with the sasme cards

So like the 3900x

with my gpu gets bter fps

[old marlin]

should be high enough?

[pale sigil]

these benchmarks are old or are only from the intro

[old marlin]

ok

but still

[pale sigil]

its nonsense

[old marlin]

if the game does not use the extra cores

the 7700k is basically as fast as it gets

for intel

if you oc it

[pale sigil]

ultra does not run past 60 in some places on a 1080

but you gain fuck all from going less

[old marlin]

I am certain you are not CPU bound then

[pale sigil]

which is another weirds shitshow on d2

[old marlin]

if an OC does not help switching the CPU also won't

[pale sigil]

Like i said same shit but a 3900x seems to outperform me

meh

either way

i hate intel

its my main reason

xD

[old marlin]

bad reason to switch

[pale sigil]

And i want to make a new build

from scatch

[old marlin]

I am sure you have better ways to spend money

keyboards or mice for example

or a nice set of headphones with a good dac and amp

[pale sigil]

My biggest factor for a new cpu in general though is a new system

a fresh build

i dont wanna buy a 3080

and put it in my current system

i want a new mobo for 2nvme slots, new case etc

so i just decided i wanna make a whole new build

im wanting to go full nvme + 1 ssd

[ashen spindle]

why do you want to go for nvme over sata, cant be looks if you already got a sata

[pale sigil]

tis why

my os drive is an nvme

[ashen spindle]

ok?

[pale sigil]

so i wanna scrap the rest

and just get a second 2tb

oh wait

you meant sata m2?

[ashen spindle]

yes I said sata not HDD

no not sata m2

just sata SSD

[pale sigil]

i wanna just not use drives anymore, if i get a 2tb nvme

i can just not even use a sata ssd

i store all my shit on my nas anyway

[ashen spindle]

so it's just for looks

[pale sigil]

More i just wanna scrap using drives

NVME is just ideal because its part of the mobo

[ashen spindle]

theory yes, practice not really, aside from certain applications

[pale sigil]

vs drive slots

i can also prob get a case thats smaller maybe

cos of no drive bays

[ashen spindle]

I'm in favor of moving away from sata, but its just still costing more for the next couple years

dont need a drive bay for sata SSDs

[pale sigil]

Well no

[ashen spindle]

plenty that let you mount it on the back or above the PSU shroud

[pale sigil]

but cases have designated areas still

like at the back

ye

idk i just love the idea of having all my storage on my mobo i guess

its nice

ever since i got my first nvme ive wanted to do that

[ashen spindle]

I mean that's fine, just like extra rgb, it's not my money lol

you hate them that much?

im confused

[pale sigil]

i hate rgb

[crimson wigeon]

I love it, many ports so can attach loads of storage, easily hotpluggable too!

[pale sigil]

get a nas

[crimson wigeon]

I also want it to be performant

And just work, networked storage has always been a bit iffy for me

[ashen spindle]

I'll get a NAS soon but for other reasons and probably wont use it as storage or backup

mostly because the only stuff taking up space is games lmao

[old marlin]

sata is a shit connector ngl

[pale sigil]

@crimson wigeon just get 7200rpm drives with a gigabit switch

[crimson wigeon]

I'll probably give it another shot when I build a new computor and have to figure out what to do with this one

[ashen spindle]

if you dont need the feature of it being not on your pc, a NAS just adds quite a decent extra cost imo

in other news, intel just can't stop

falling down

this is about how far it went down at the covid crash at its worst

[crimson wigeon]

oh no

[ashen spindle]

any more down and we look at pre-2018 lmao

now the question, is a CEO change going to cause a rebound or a bigger fall lmao

[crisp granite]

depends

if the CEO is a big name, maybe a rebound

[thick elk]

Wouldn't surprise me if Intel goes the way of IBM, slowly but surely.

[cursive summit]

What even does IBM do anymore?

[thick elk]

cloud, servers, software the usual stuff

[crisp granite]

IBM is an SI, I think

as well

[crimson wigeon]

IBM is still massive and recently acquired Red Hat so is technically in control of the "standard" GNOME Linux desktop now ecks dee

[crisp granite]

oh

[thick elk]

They still are pretty large just much less visible

[crisp granite]

it's a shame that they still don't make model M keebs anymore

they sold that branch off

[ashen spindle]

yeah intel won't fail and shut down, they're just at risk of turning into a big husk

I just hope they turn around bc I dont want an amd monopoly either

[crisp granite]

true

then we'd have a "you only need X cores"

all over again

[thick elk]

I fear that even if they manage to hold their own the desktop space really won't be their prime target. For them to really compete in the desktop they have to mostly dominate in the server / laptop market.

[crisp granite]

yeah

the mobile segment is growing super fast

[ashen spindle]

Luckily you can’t really compete in servers with a product that totally sucks in desktop

Unless you’re going ARM I guess

[crisp granite]

MOAR COREZ

[thick elk]

You can if your architecture is the complete opposite of what intel offers

low power but doesn't scale too well with frequency

that is great for servers

[ashen spindle]

Ehh even servers need some degree of single core IPC

[thick elk]

I really hope they don't try to win with vendor lock-ins and other shady tactics.

IPC sure but you don't need cores that push to insane power figures and 5ghz

so a more efficient core that may be capped a bit lower is still great.

[wheat plume]

here we go again .-. need to learn WPF for a project due next week

[crimson wigeon]

WPF in 2020

[wheat plume]

yeh .-.

we arent allowed use windows form but it seems WPF has a GUI designer much like the forms one

[ashen spindle]

it's fairly simple and similar to winforms

and they are opening it up with netcore I think

[wheat plume]

idk what that is

[ashen spindle]

.NET Core

[wheat plume]

oh

duh

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah it's more "modern" and lets you do fancy crap more easily

[wheat plume]

so thats why its called "Windows Presentation Foundation"

[crimson wigeon]

Just hope you like data binding

[wheat plume]

huh?

[ashen spindle]

lets hope you wont't need to learn MVVM or any of that, but maybe you already had it

[wheat plume]

I need to sign in AGH fine

I know, I skipped it

but if I need to activate it

[crimson wigeon]

You do, full fat VS requires you to be signed in else it won't stay activated

[ashen spindle]

.. you already had an account for when you used c# in the past why does this even matter

[wheat plume]

that account ran out at the end of September

[crimson wigeon]

I don't think accounts expire

[ashen spindle]

how tf did you make an account that runs out if the default account is valid forever?????

its just a microsoft account

[wheat plume]

default account?

I guess Visual C#?

[ashen spindle]

sure

but here you also get a gigantic product for free and you only need to sign in for if you need it longer or cetain things

and the account you make is free

dont see an issue here

[wheat plume]

issue is my account no longer activates it

[ashen spindle]

are you sure

[wheat plume]

there are 2 of the same entries here... ?

[ashen spindle]

Lana

please

read what it says

[wheat plume]

oh VB

[crimson wigeon]

Reading is overrated

[wheat plume]

:')

idk honestly

never got tested for anything

im sure I have something, I have issues speaking sentences without using the wrong tense or version of a word

I need two screens so badly,

[crisp granite]

dual monitor time!

[ashen spindle]

use your laptop as one?

[wheat plume]

wat

[ashen spindle]

use your laptop as one

[wheat plume]

thats got hdmi output

[ashen spindle]

so either see if you can use it with just a cable or put windows on it and use it as a wireless monitor

[wheat plume]

now I got to figure out this sample project

this shit looks less modern than winforms...

[ashen spindle]

I mean, you can certainly ask for a better look and get a much more complex sample :p

[crimson wigeon]

Ah yes looks like someone snuck in a Vista era sample

[wheat plume]

thats the microsoft sample project :')

https://github.com/Microsoft/WPF-Samples/tree/master/Getting Started/WalkthroughFirstWPFApp

[ashen spindle]

bit outdated on the look but you will probably like the site for looking up stuff and such https://www.wpftutorial.net/

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah probably a good idea to actually explore those kinds of resources, I didn't back when I was mucking about with WPF and did some truly horrendous things

[ashen spindle]

it's a bit weird because many tutorials seem to follow MVVM or some other model and it's changed what people think about those models, what is "in"

[crimson wigeon]

What's wrong with MVVM

[ashen spindle]

nothing per se

but if one is following mvvm and another tutorial is using mvc or whatever it's not as easy to follow I feel

[ashen spindle]

finally, a review of the latest AMD product is live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY8NLAfNi_M

[reef tundra]

That is some realistic looking graphics

[karmic imp]

Yo guys.

Some of you might be able to help.

I have a project I'm currently designing.

A brain child born of looking at VR backpacks while wearing my wireless headset.

I already have a few ideas on how to make it happen, but. Y'all know of a good way to do a low latency USB passthrough over WiFi? I don't need the full 5Gbps of USB 3.0, but probably could use a solid 400Mbps connection over at most 30 feet of 5GHz.

Right now my best guess is, NoMachine remote desktop and passthrough

I know NoMachine is capable of high bandwidth low latency passthrough, and I bet the latency will be even better over direct WiFi connection, but it'd be more energy efficient if there was other methods

[ashen spindle]

so what exactly do you want to do, a custom protocol to transfer usb data so you have basically a wireless usb plug?

why wouldn't wifi 6 work?

[karmic imp]

Doesn't need to be custom, just needs to be effective. It would literally be a USB passthrough - some way to take the input of a USB device, transmit it over WiFi and make it register as a USB device on a target computer as if it was physically connected to it.

Wdym wifi 6? Explain how that'd work. Keep in mind I can't change the USB protocol simply because it's an existing physical peripheral on one end lol

[ashen spindle]

I was thinking of wifi6 bc I'm pretty sure that has enough bandwith for what you listed with 400mbps

[karmic imp]

OH YES for sure

That's the primary carrier plan

it's less about the bandwidth of the medium and more about protocol/methods to make sure that bandwidth is used effectively and latency is kept to a reasonable level

like I'd say... Maximum 20ms delay as a hunch, probably lower.

Since as I said failed to mention, it'd be to passthrough the video and audio signals of a VR headset

And I know even 2.4GHz might be fast enough - the specific VR headset actually would work over USB 2.0

[ashen spindle]

so basically you want to make a vive wireless adapter ?

[karmic imp]

So it doesn't use more than 480Mbps of bandwidth

Basically? Oculus Quest but the principle is the same really

Realistically if the method works it should work with any headset

...

At least any headset that can connect via USB. Which I have no idea how many of today's headsets do. Is there any headsets that still use a dedicated HDMI connection?

[ashen spindle]

have you looked at the wireless adapters for the rift from tpcast and such?

[karmic imp]

I just did and it looks like they're not available anymore lol

Ridge was absolutely lousy for the Quest

[ashen spindle]

good chance they stopped production since the rift is discontinued I guess

[karmic imp]

And looking at the prices of similar devices, I could do it cheaper with my method

And with a longer battery life

[ashen spindle]

I can't really think of a simple way to do it without making basically a copy of it, have some controller convert it to a wifi signal and have a reciever that listens to it, I dont know if there are thing out there that just do it but I doubt it

though I am also due to work currently filled with a hatred towards networking mostly due to marketing bullshit to I might be looking at it a bit too pessimistic lmao

[karmic imp]

lmao.

I'll definitely just be giving remote desktop USB passthrough a try then, for now

[cursive summit]

I love leaks

[reef tundra]

oh no its leaking

[cursive summit]

Is the i7-8086k a limited edition run of the 8700k but a lot higher binned?

I remember that thing launching as limited run

But I forgot what it is

[ashen spindle]

ye

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[reef tundra]

Perhaps.

[reef patrol]

Undoubtedly

[reef tundra]

Strong point

[ashen spindle]

aaand its official https://twitter.com/AMDNews/status/1321037160292769792

AMD News (@AMDNews)

AMD to acquire @XilinxInc, creating the industry’s high performance computing leader. https://t.co/JoQ8ePybNC

Twitter

[reef tundra]

lol

[old marlin]

rip intel a bit more

[reef tundra]

duopoly in the semiconductor industry dream is even closer

maybe now Intel will pickup the slack and update the ui to current decade

[ashen spindle]

what ui?

and most of this is much more for stuff vs nvidia than intel, though it definitely helps against both

[reef tundra]

The nightmare fuel called Quartus which is from Intel's subsiduary Altera. the main competator in the fpga industry

Bought them in 2017 or 2018 or something

oh it was 2015 damn. even worse.

The installer caused bsod for some people lol

[cursive summit]

Is xilinx an important acquisition?

How would AMD benefit from this?

https://ir.amd.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/977/amd-to-acquire-xilinx-creating-the-industrys-high?sf239269550=1****

Oh good god

I knew I should have invested into their stock

This is better than bitcoin..

[ashen spindle]

you could compare it similar to intel getting altera or nvidia getting mellanox

bit more than mellanox I guess

[reef tundra]

Xilinx is the biggest player on the fpga scene. Which is growing somewhat the last few years for AI, 5G and other high-end functionality.

[thick elk]

It is more similar to altera and intel, as together the two companies largely control the FPGA market.
So I'd say mostly rip Nvidia in this case.

[ashen spindle]

intel has done bascially nothing with altera since they got it, dont think that changed anything for nvidia

[thick elk]

I guess, neither AMD nor Intel are companies that push for big vendor lock-ins

they can however leverage altera and xilinx if nvidia ever tries to lock them out with ARM.

[ashen spindle]

they had no option to do so, intel had no gpus to use with xeons, amd had no cpus that anyone would use in servers

[thick elk]

In general intels other businesses are still pretty open, intel network chips used on amd and so forth

[reef tundra]

Nvidia would have a slight advantage for owning arm aswell, lowering the costs for the licencing of hardcore processors on the zync product line eg.

but why bother when you can just collect royalties

[crisp granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XaOeLPztN4

[crimson wigeon]

Alright what's this clickbait about

[halcyon moss]

its a decent card

[crisp granite]

this is actually a fairly positive review

[halcyon moss]

but the ndas are annoying and meant to blast coverage

[crisp granite]

trades blows with rtx 2080ti with better RT performance

[crimson wigeon]

Alright cool give me tomorrow already

[crisp granite]

less than half price

All I needed to know

I'm lining up at my local pc parts store tomorrow night

[halcyon moss]

AMD anouncement tomorrow

[ashen spindle]

3060 ti seems to be quite a good option tbf

[thick elk]

I find all this rushing to buy these cards pretty stupid, just wait a bit, it's often not like a few extra weeks or months matter that much in the grand scheme of things.

[crisp granite]

to me it does

rocking a laptop that is quite literally dying before my very eyes

[wheat plume]

I love Dave

[crisp granite]

the rtx 3070 is better than I thought

I expected it to be rtx 2080 super levels

but it's rtx 2080 ti levels

epic

[ashen spindle]

.. that's pretty much what they said on their event

[crisp granite]

and I believed it would fall short

like all marketing campaign promises do

but it didn't

[pale sigil]

👀

last 14 days

[ashen spindle]

ofc not, the presentation was quite clear there

there is such a thing as using favorable results, or not being clear you mean RTX results etc. and then there is lying that would cause you to get a lawsuit lmao

[crisp granite]

no

[pale sigil]

AMD tomoz right

[ashen spindle]

yes

[crisp granite]

but will the AMD cards be on shelves this weekend?

[ashen spindle]

idk, they only ever said before the consoles and the first console is on nov10

[crisp granite]

so possibly

but highly unlikely

[ashen spindle]

not like any nvidia card is on an actual shelf right now

[crisp granite]

actually

my local canada computers has one RTX 3090 TUF Gaming

$2279.99

fucking hell

[elder jackal]

bruh

what are the prices for the 30ti's?

also the 70 and 60

[crisp granite]

ti's haven't been announced yet

70 will be $500 USD

60 not announced yet

[ashen spindle]

60 ti is most likely 100$ less than the 3070 and comes out november

[hard thicket]

i wonder if there will be a 60 at all

i rather expect a refreshed 2000 series

would kinda make sense

[ashen spindle]

there will be a 60

20 series refresh makes 0 sense

[hard thicket]

how comes

it wouldn't be anything new at all

considering the mess that has been done with the 1650, 1660 etc

[ashen spindle]

yeah but unlike that, the entire stack of rtx 30xx will have RTX

so just make smaller dies of ampere for lower cost cards

[hard thicket]

has it been confirmed that its lower cost ?

like i've not heard much about how well the yield is at all

considering the current supply dilemma aswell 🤔

[ashen spindle]

.. yes? a much smaller dies is much cheaper, then you get it from samsung on a much cheaper node

you would need at elast like a 2070die to put it into a 3060 so that would be extremely expensive

[hard thicket]

okay have to point that out, pretty sure no one beside nvidia thenself knows the precise costs of manufacturing the turing dies or the ampere dies, it's a little bit of a tinfoil conspiracy, but i personally highly doubt that they'd show anyone the exact numbers of that

due to profit and well yeah profit.

[ashen spindle]

its no rocket science that a smaller chip on a cheaper node is cheaper, than a bigger die on a more expensive node

[hard thicket]

well doubt that it's that simple either, dont get me wrong

[ashen spindle]

how so

what else would there be to it

[hard thicket]

i am no expert in lithography processes but due to how both manufactures use different approaches in manufacturing their dies definetly does make a difference in their effective yield they get

just my personal opinion to that

[ashen spindle]

ok but that doesn't change that SS is vastly cheaper than tsmc, and that a smaller die is cheaper from both a yield and raw cost perspective

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/3XaOeLPztN4

That title

[ashen spindle]

has been posted

[cursive summit]

Sorry for necroposting then

[wheat plume]

now HOW tf do I use this shit?

[halcyon moss]

wtf is that shit even

[wheat plume]

VisualVM

apparently you can see how long it takes for code to execute with this

[halcyon moss]

oh, JVM

its a profiler?

[wheat plume]

yeh, i guess so

we werent told how to use this

or how to install it

[halcyon moss]

doesnt intellij have that?

[wheat plume]

but we need to use it for project

idk

[halcyon moss]

pretty cool though, profiling is quite hard

[fickle ore]

fooking lian li lancool II mesh nowhere in stock

ordered it 2 weeks back

wonder if I can get it intime for zen 3

[crisp granite]

there are some other great cases for airflow

as well

[cursive summit]

Still a full week until Zen 3

Then until Zen 3 delivers

So you've got a good 2 weeks extra

[fickle ore]

;_;

[cursive summit]

Unless it's from China

You should get it

[ashen spindle]

it's been in stock for >2weeks...

[cursive summit]

They shipping Zen 3 already?

[pale sigil]

No

Nov 5th

[ashen spindle]

in stock != shipping

[pale sigil]

Oh

[ashen spindle]

it just means unlike rtx, shops have it on shelves and ready to sell

with one french retailer accidentely selling some last week lmao

[wheat plume]

it works?

[crimson wigeon]

I don't believe you

[cursive summit]

As an employee, I'd pocket one of the Zen 3 chips and just leak data online

Then "silently" return it

Karma > job 🙂

[ashen spindle]

then you have an unsealed box you cant return for selling, great idea

[urban lynx]

tech stuff is monitored closely and often insanely protected

especially such new releases

especially because of such, to minimise leaks, and to prevent company espionage

[ashen spindle]

yeah... except one french store already sold someone one last week lmao

[urban lynx]

happens ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/oHpgu-cTjyM

Watch party lads?

[ashen spindle]

yup, terrible management and I hope every managing position gets fired after the release

[cursive summit]

This seems to confirm 5 games out of 10

Probably

If there will be 10 game perf benchmarks listed, these might be one of the games

Good selection I'd say

Not going for the typical benchmarky games but new releases

That'd leave Borderlands 3 as the 6th

[urban lynx]

i think of these 5, far cry 6 seems the most interesting to me

[crisp granite]

same

[ashen spindle]

I'm hyped for godfall

[cursive summit]

Godfall seems uninteresting

What even is rift breaker?

[crisp granite]

I'll definitely get Far Cry 6 when it drops on steam

[urban lynx]

quinty pls explain to me what godfall is

[ashen spindle]

I loved the godfall gameplay trailer during E3

[cursive summit]

FC6 will be boring unless it continues FC2 or FC3 legacy

@urban lynx Warframe/Destiny but melee only

[ashen spindle]

yeah, looter slasher kind of game

[urban lynx]

[cursive summit]

Dunno from reactions people didn't seem too invested into it

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzKOQ0enWfY

[cursive summit]

If it's free then maybe

[ashen spindle]

ps5/pc game

[cursive summit]

3080Ti has been revived

[ashen spindle]

yup

[crisp granite]

meh

[ashen spindle]

to bad it's basically useless

[cursive summit]

Soo 3070Ti and 3080Ti? Sounds like Nvidia is in trouble

[crisp granite]

something for the $1000-$1200 PRICE POINT

the caps lock

why can't you be stepped?

[ashen spindle]

just unbind your capslock lol

or make it something else

[crisp granite]

my board doesn't allow that

[cursive summit]

Imagine caps lock wasn't lock but caps trigger

One press = one capital

That'd be frustrating

[urban lynx]

i just want a gpu to play cp77 on...

[ashen spindle]

im using this https://github.com/samhocevar/wincompose

to make my capslock usefull

[cursive summit]

@urban lynx I can send you an 120$ RX 580 8GB from local markets

[crisp granite]

that looks like work @ashen spindle

[ashen spindle]

I mean if clicking download and hitting install is work, I guess

comes with a lot of pre built combos

[crisp granite]

and I can fix it my way

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban lynx]

where u living vex?

[cursive summit]

East EU

[ashen spindle]

I can send you my 1080 when I get my new card, but it might crash in games when you don't overclock it

[cursive summit]

Depends on what GPU you really want we have cheap as chips used market

[crisp granite]

same

rx 570s and 80s for 120 cad

[cursive summit]

580 >>> 570

Albeit CAD is much lower than EUR

So it equalizes

[crisp granite]

I've seen both at that price

but shipping will kill anything from canada

so...

go with the EU cards

[cursive summit]

Damn what the fuck is this

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats the same prices you find on ebay here

[cursive summit]

2x 1080Ti

[crisp granite]

SLI is dead

why would you do that?

even in 2016, that was pointless

[ashen spindle]

advert doesnt say it was a pure gaming rig

[cursive summit]

32GB's of RAM isn't gamery

Seems like a mini mining rig of sorts / workstation

[ashen spindle]

def not mining lmao but yeah, all out gaming/work seems plausible

[thick elk]

32gb is not that uncommon for gaming rigs, especially if your budget allows for 2 1080ti's

[zenith sonnet]

According to Steam it's like 7% or so

[wet solstice]

has anyone tried using this with a daw to simulate velocity? like how hard you press is how hard the instrument hits type of thing?

[cursive summit]

This is big

[fickle ore]

b550 unify/unify-x vs x570 tomahawk :I

kinda want the unify but need to see vrm/board temps first

[cursive summit]

I wish Sapphire made motherboards

They do make certain embedded products, but not consumer motherboards

Sadly

[fair gull]

how does a rock make stuff

[old marlin]

how does a fruit make stuff

also the AS rock already makes motherboards

[fair gull]

they dont they only make shit

and as rock only does it AS a rock

probably wearing a costume

would explain their good costumer care

[old marlin]

the fruit made one good mobo

too bad it is locked to a bad OS

[fair gull]

lies

fruits cant make good stuff

[old marlin]

I must say

they make decent hardware

and then ruin it on every other occasion

[fair gull]

so decent ruined hardware

[old marlin]

basically

[neat oriole]

[reef tundra]

holes make it go better

[neat oriole]

Yeah that’s why they’re called speed holes

But I am glad steelseries is taking a jab at the ultra light market

[halcyon moss]

I am still angry at them for the sensei crappy scrollwheels

[neat oriole]

Aerox 5/9 seems to be shaped like an ambidextrous rival 600, which was one of the most comfortable shapes imo, so it has potential

[old marlin]

Only the 3 wireless is confirmed until now to actually release

5 looks like an r600 which would be bad

9 looks like a worse naga pro

Big nope from me

Weight isn't amazing either

[halcyon moss]

170 usd for a mouse 😮

[old marlin]

They started putting useless ridges at the top

Which just make them more uncomfortable

Don't take any feedback at all

A shitton of leaks

Actually the second leaked prime in a store already

Different packaging and all that

Still not an official product or release date btw

Prime mini is the most promising so far imo but unsure if it even exists by now

[hard thicket]

im still avoiding those hole mice

all due to cleaning issues

especially after a summer season when it's super sweaty

[ashen spindle]

4 more hours till Wang Punch Man delivers

[cursive summit]

25 mins presentation

Fuck's a "Wang punch man"

I only know Saitama

[ashen spindle]

congrats you found out what the joke plays on

[cursive summit]

Waitama

[ashen spindle]

¿

[cursive summit]

So who's the Wang punch man here?

More importantly why?

[ashen spindle]

https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/leadership-david-wang

[old marlin]

@hard thicket I don't avoid them, but they are lazy design

that is why I like the burst pro lol

[cursive summit]

Oh right David Wong

What

The fuck

[old marlin]

uhh yea doubt

[cursive summit]

All info is here but like Wtf

Wait those are RTX 2080S

The original post was deleted

But it does exist on wayback

[ashen spindle]

so basically a combined test has more points with weaker gpu and better cpu

nothing new really

[cursive summit]

What am I lookin at here

[ashen spindle]

results

[crimson wigeon]

Just a few more short hours..........

[wheat plume]

https://itsfoss.com/antimicrox/

Hmm
This is interesting

But it's built into Wooting! + Analog

[ashen spindle]

80 minutes to go

[crisp granite]

for what?

wait

[ashen spindle]

destruction

[crisp granite]

that RX69420 launch

and I doubt it

I'm sure the cards will be competitive at each price point but not much else

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ you're welcome to be shown otherwise

[crisp granite]

ok then

granted

if the RX cards are readily available, they will smoke the RTX 3000 series

[crimson wigeon]

Sure thing brah

[crisp granite]

tell me I'm wrong

that a card that you can get at MSRP is better than one you can get for 3000% of MSRP

[ashen spindle]

not gonna blame you for doubting it btw, I think rdna1 was a dumpster so skepticism is valid

[crisp granite]

and the claims of doubled power efficiency from GCN seems unlikely

not like that matters much in the grand scheme of things

[ashen spindle]

I mean, we have proof of that already

[crisp granite]

actually?

[ashen spindle]

people like to forget we got quite an in-depth hot chips talk about the xbox SoC which for the most part is just RDNA2

[crisp granite]

Zen 2 and RDNA 2 iirc

[ashen spindle]

yup

obviously won't translate 1 to 1 to how its put on a dGPU

[crisp granite]

with 16 GB of GDDR6 as both System RAM and VRAM?

I still don't get it

[ashen spindle]

but you can just take the changes, apply it on a 5xxx card and have a good estimation

[crisp granite]

true

[ashen spindle]

I mean the cpu part doesn't matter, we know enough about zen2 that you can quite accurately remove powerdraw and everything from it

[crisp granite]

yeah

but GPU performance pinned it at 1660 to 2060 Super levels

apparently

[ashen spindle]

uhhh what

but regardless, even if that were true it wouldnt matter

[crisp granite]

this was reporting from 6+ months ago

I don't care much for consoles

[ashen spindle]

yeah seems a bit older, also as the consoles obviously would use a cut down size, that doesn't matter for extrapolating data to the 80CU models

[crisp granite]

how many CUs do the consoles have?

[ashen spindle]

its 36 for ps5

dont remember xbox

[crisp granite]

oh

looking at performance of RTX 3080 and 3090, the core count doesn't provide a linear increase in performance