Heads yes
#🔌│tech
wheat plume
neat oriole
Street pricing is more like 4k
true quest
your hands develop eyes to compensate for the lack of vision
wheat plume
Those look uncomfy
neat oriole
They’re pretty comfy
wheat plume
No padding against your head
neat oriole
Doesn’t need it
true quest
the lack of padding is what makes it seem comfortable
neat oriole
Suspension straps are great
true quest
suspension is the way to go
neat oriole
They conform to the shape of your head to distribute weight evenly
true quest
unlike pads which press the center top
wheat plume
I think the clouds are comfy
Except I should get replacement earcup pads
ashen spindle
smh 4k, amateur pricing, what are the prices for the sennheiser super expensive ones? 20k$?
neat oriole
Wrong
wheat plume
They are not very firm anymore
neat oriole
50k
ashen spindle
ah right
wheat plume
O.o
ashen spindle
wheat plume
50 grand for headphones.... Wow
neat oriole
Some people pay 200k for a speaker
wheat plume
O.o
true quest
they come with their own dac or some shit
neat oriole
Not a setup, just one speaker
wheat plume
O.o
neat oriole
And they almost always suck
neat oriole
The Orpheus has its own tube amp
ashen spindle
and then you get into the area that has no price https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq4LRFPyiq4
neat oriole
It’s very fancy
The only reason high end headphones cost so much is low sales volume
wheat plume
That is the best thing about audio products
If they sound good
It doesn't matter if they are old af cause the audio woot change from them
ashen spindle
the orpheus are hand made at like 10 a year or something low like that iirc
wheat plume
The headphones dankpods uses to compare other headphones to
wheat plume
Thought you said 6xx to specify the entire 600 range
Didn't know they had a pair literally called that
neat oriole
They’re good value
crimson wigeon
Maybe I should get that
neat oriole
And sounds pretty good
crisp granite
how much are they?
crimson wigeon
Currently using HD 598 and it's great buut I'm really not impressed by the ear cushions tearing again after just a few years.... actually it would probably have the same problem
wheat plume
I'm just saying
An audiophile was very impressed by the clouds 2
Made me happy to hear that
wheat plume
:') no
neat oriole
I mean you’re meant to change pads like once every 2 years
neat oriole
220 USD
wheat plume
Hardware Canucks
crisp granite
yikes
crimson wigeon
Yes let me just get replacements oh wait none are in stock anymore guess i'll have to get clones
neat oriole
It’s probably a lip on the hyper x
crisp granite
use a pybar and a hammer
neat oriole
It’s probably a lip
wheat plume
I've lost them xd
I had these headphones for 4 years
crimson wigeon
02:37
crisp granite
19:37
wheat plume
What
wheat plume
crisp granite
anyone here play fallout new vegas?
chrome estuary
@wheat plume what phone do you have again?
wheat plume
Mi Mix 2S
I got it brand new for €220 with my carrier and it's unlocked so any sim from other carriers can work in it also
chrome estuary
I'm almost tempted to go with like a OnePlus Nord or some shit
wheat plume
Maybe 5
Because android 11 is the start of its 3 years update cycle so you'll get an extra android version vs the 4A
chrome estuary
yeah but it's expensive
wheat plume
Although if you get a nicely supported xiaomi phone you can slap a custom rom on there and have android version six year into the future
I shouldn't have android 10 but I do now
And there are already 3 android 11 roms for it too
I like the lyrics feature on youtube music
But it's not there often
chrome estuary
yeah i've seen that
holy shit the poco f2 pro is nice
the x3 is even nicer
the only thing is ips lcd instead of amoled
wheat plume
Yes yes! Just remember you'll probably get some ads in the ui sometimes
Wait nvm
Idk if the global version has them
wheat plume
Xdd
I tried lineage
Don't like it much
I offer pixel experience plus or EvolutionX
chrome estuary
I don't like the bloated bullshit
wheat plume
Pixel experience is not bloated LEL
chrome estuary
eh never heard of it actually
wheat plume
Comes with like 7 apps
chrome estuary
but i was comparing to stock
wheat plume
Yeh
Comes with less apps than stock pixel phones do
chrome estuary
but yeah the fuckin x3 comes with a 6000mah battery and a 732G. expandable storage and headphone jack. 120hz ips screen. and at like 300$
wheat plume
6000??!!
chrome estuary
the NFC comes with a 5130 or something like that
wheat plume
Ohhh
Luckily I don't have to worry much about that in ireland
Just make sure you get the global version
chrome estuary
I think mine is fuckin up cause my data randomly disconnects and demands I reconnect but I can't.
wheat plume
Ofc they do
Their main market is Asia and USA
chrome estuary
here's the OnePlus Nord
wheat plume
What website is that? Seems so much better than that crap I was using
chrome estuary
idk if it's any good
it's the first thing to pop up
if the s20 fe wasn't so god damn expensive... I'd probably snag it
wheat plume
Pixel 5 then
chrome estuary
The pixel 5 is 700$
chrome estuary
The FE comes with a 120hz screen, expandable storage, better screen, better CPU, bigger battery, and it's fuckin the same price
wheat plume
Oh..... Rip
chrome estuary
oh and let's not forget you can actually buy the fucking s20 fe already instead of waiting.
oh i was looking at the normal FE
not 5G
wheat plume
Ar least the 5 isn't as pathetic as the 4 with that shitty 2800mah battery
chrome estuary
I don't
wheat plume
5G in 2020? nah
chrome estuary
yeah and if you don't have a phone that can do LTE, get a newer phone
What about HSPA & +?
I almost never see HSPA so they might've done the same here.
But I see fucking LTE and LTE+ constantly on my note 9
even my fucking note 4 had LTE
Get that fuckin FE
man I want the fuckin FE Now Locke
I just can't justify that price
I was gonna use my credit card to get a new phone so I can start building my credit up but I have a 500$ limit
true quest
550 credit limit gang where u at
chrome estuary
I wonder if I could do partial on my fuckin credit card and partial on my bank card
I could've gone higher but because I've got a neutral credit, I've got a fuckin sorta prepaid credit card thing through my bank
oh the FE doesn't have a damn lineage release
like come the fuck on, it's supposed to be the FAN EDITION. Fans would want this kind of shit
wheat plume
Its too new rn to have much custom roms on it
And Samsung phones are very tricky to unlock too
Because of knoxx and other things
chrome estuary
It can not be that much different than the S20, S20+, or S20 Ultra
wheat plume
You would think
But they can be
The redmi note 8 and the redmi note 8t have seperate versions of each rom despite the only difference being the latter has NFC
chrome estuary
Hell might as well go with the S20+. It's basically the same fuckin phone
misty pier
is 5g even worth it
they haven't really rolled out many 5g towers where I live currently though, only 4G
crimson wigeon
Yes it's amazing it makes everything possible!
Everything will be connected and it will be superfast!!
misty pier
mmm yeah.. sounds like what marketing wants me to think
chrome estuary
Well until I find a good phone with what I want, I'm stuck with a potentially buggy note 9
shadow minnow
There is one thing that really sucks about zen 3 CPUs, and that is pricing. 300$ for 6 cores can set really bad trend for pricing, being even bit worse than intel.
shadow minnow
Although, it is better than xt ones, because 3600xt was priced worse and had bit worse gaming performance i5 10600k
zenith sonnet
@shadow minnow Well, to be fair, the 6 core 5600X is, for most workloads, better than a 3800X
The 3800X only wins in workloads that anyone who actually does those things would buy at least a 3900X for
And anyone who's lower budget can still get a 3600
wheat plume
Like me....
shadow minnow
Thing is that we did not get price/performance increase, as people who had 3600x budget can not buy 5600x.
Same as when nvidia Turing launched
ashen spindle
wat
zenith sonnet
5800X, 5900X, 5950X all are better price/perf than their predecessors
shadow minnow
Yeah there is some price/performance increase, just not in lower end
ashen spindle
so wait for the 5300x or whatever will come later
zenith sonnet
So is the 5600X, but the comparison is skewed because the 3600 existed at a MUCH better price/perf ratio than the 3600X/XT
misty pier
don’t buy it if you don’t need it, it’ll drop in price over time anyways
zenith sonnet
Buy it if you want it
wheat plume
Idk what to do with my old computer
If getting a new cmos battery revives it maybe it could be a server
although IDK how to take the motherboard out, everything is screwed into place
and really tightly packed
ashen spindle
do you need to take the board out to replace cmos battery?
fair gull
angle grinder to the rescue
wheat plume
LOL no
also, is the cmos battery literally just a watch battery?
cause the one on my new PC is
I can see it on the motherboard very clearly
or am I seeing something else
fair gull
its a cr2032 button cell
there are some boards especially with laptops and sff pcs that use special cells tho
wheat plume
Oh
fair gull
u can prob find that out by googling tho
fair gull
id recommend ebay personally
wheat plume
Oh gosh
reef patrol
Next stop... well goal I guess.
Need to order an iPad LCD to HDMI converter board and figure out if I want a Raspberry Pi inside or something more like a NUC.
wheat plume
NUC is hella more powerful
fair gull
what
wheat plume
and not that much bigger when you factor is cooling and a case for the Pi
reef patrol
Also a lot more expensive 😄
wheat plume
true
reef patrol
The initial plan was to revive it to run what it would when it lived.
Which is... black and white era games 😄
fair gull
was about to say a nuc is hella more expensive
ashen spindle
NUC is also a form factor description.. not really about whats inside
fair gull
an the pi4 can already have 8gigs ram
reef patrol
Don't really need the RAM for emulation anyway. The small 1GB is more than enough for anything the Pi4 can emulate anyhow 😄
reef patrol
Huehue
Might buy a used Pi first and then consider a NUC longterm.
Gotta get the LCD situation sorted first.
fair gull
hope the mac was broken to begin with
reef patrol
Acid damage on the mainboard.
But I did take everything out without harming it.
The parts that work can live on in another Mac
wheat plume
Im so happy :DD the landlord for my housing estate is switching to a better internet provider, so maybe I can actually use the wifi once that happens
cause rn its too unreliable
fair gull
ya was about to say hope the working bits go to other macs
reef patrol
Now if only I had access to a 3D printer.
Then I could make a mount to use the old floppy drive for an SD reader 😄
reef patrol
ashen spindle
@fair gull you have a UDM as router/switch right? do you just have server stuff from them or also experience with their camera/doorbell stuff?
fair gull
i dont have a udm
ashen spindle
could've sworn that was you who said that
ashen spindle
so no clue if their camera stuff works well etc.?
fair gull
from what i read it does function quiet good
ashen spindle
ye I'm warming up to it, DIY solution with a NAS and off brand cameras just is too much work in an area I have no experience in
just trying to find someone who uses it to figure out if there is a catch anywhere
ashen spindle
ye thats why I'm inclined to trust them
fair gull
i could imagine the only "catch" u might say exists is the software/cloudkey
but a simple rpi can replace the cloudkey
crimson wigeon
just buy the google nest stuff you trust google right :^)
ashen spindle
Ideally I wanted to avoid using wireless solutions but that's not feasible here sadly
walls are soo thick I just cant put cables through anywhere lmao
misty pier
there’s powerline but that may work well or... like dogshit
fair gull
unifi even has phone systems wot
misty pier
like I get 20 megs down but I only get like 3-5 on my powerline adapter
ashen spindle
well I don't have a powerplug outdoor anywhere so that wont work either sadly lmao
but good idea
misty pier
yeah, debating about running a cable under the house to the switch in the office
ashen spindle
ah I found the catch
seems like none of their options support an option to safe the recording on an sd card in the camera
urghhh I would really prefer having recordings stored on the camera as well as a nas or smth similar, guess DIY solution is the only way
cursive summit
misty pier
yellow mouse
thick elk
These themed mice can often end up pretty cheap once the game in quesiton loses relevance. So that may be worthwile at that point
urban lynx
oh that mouse that also is available in a lovely pink
also it's only costs like 10 more...
thorn latch
how do i use python in discord agAIN?
crisp granite
that razer viper ultimate looks sweet
would you rather they be real screws?
good point
but this is based on a futuristic game
safe to say that they would improve the screw head designs by then
I'm sure I'll see that screw on a bunch of the game's weapons
like that ghetto-ass looking shotty screaming my name
in the gameplay promo stuff
I just wait for reviews
If the game is playable (76) and interests me, I'll get it
I mean, they can tell if the game works
I'll give them that
thanks
urban lynx
you're welcome
crisp granite
we are when we get games that don't work
not true
I'm still pissed about a game I bought 2 years ago
they fixed the bugs, they didn't fix the game itself
nice
I find that if a game really sucks, I only notice in the first hour or 100 hours in
urban lynx
game i played the most this year? 🤔
i'd guess csgo, minecraft, anno 1800
urban lynx
it changed
crisp granite
for the better
urban lynx
i only really started understanding and making use of enchantments like, near 2 years ago
urban lynx
i usually lose motivation halfway through, due to my whole set of mental illnesses
crisp granite
so true
oh
I now realize I haven't played any game released this year
no really good ones have come out yet
now every kid who played doom eternal will be super hyped for the next one
misty pier
didn't play much since I was broke this whole year until the check came in
crisp granite
and will steal mommy's credit card to buy it
as well as V-bucks
that was a thing in the dark ages?
jk
I get it
grubhub or some shit
urban lynx
i never did that
reef patrol
Bike? 
urban lynx
i did drive drunk like 60km though in the middle of the night
crisp granite
nice
urban lynx
lol. the girls i tend to have infront of me ON FOOT in the drive through at burger king will tell you otherwise
or the guy behind me
i honestly thought they would get turned down. but they didnt.
where you from?
ah so the states.
wheat plume
You have a windows key anyone? I need one -.- the digital one on my account is gone apparently
misty pier
who.. takes a bike to a drive thru?
i think i have a spare key from my college, but I think they locked me out from obtaining more keys
ashen spindle
What do you mean is gone, windows license keys don’t just vanish
reef patrol
can't ride your bicycle through the drive-thru, something about security or lawsuits or something
@prisma crag Go inside?
What a barbaric country.
wheat plume
What do you mean is gone, windows license keys don’t just vanish
@ashen spindle they only last a year
ashen spindle
What
urban lynx
the only places that closes the lobbies at night is the gas station. and not every does it...
on the other hand, we dont have issues with homeless, cause we dont have that many caused by our system
wheat plume
Can you change the hardware it links to?
ashen spindle
Are you not using the same Microsoft account anymore? Or did you never link the windows activation to the account?
wheat plume
I'm using the same account
Only have one
It was linked to my account
I have digital licence
That's what my last windows install said
ashen spindle
Ok idk what you did, but just use the 90 day free trial and reinstall after if you need it longer
You install an os every other day anyway
wheat plume
It should work :/
This is new hardware though
Maybe the digital account is still linked to that too
urban lynx
i mean, i do not condone certain people that buy a key for like 15€ on sites that are shadier than a spot in a bunker in a mountain on a rainy day in the middle of the night
crisp granite
idk man, 150 canuckistani kopeks is a lot of money for an OS
ashen spindle
shes only using it for uni work anyway so just use the 90day free time and repeat the install
wheat plume
I want it for game actually
reef patrol
i mean, i do not condone certain people that buy a key for like 15€ on sites that are shadier than a spot in a bunker in a mountain on a rainy day in the middle of the night
@urban lynx Since Microsoft decided my key was only valid till I changed a motherboard, I stopped feeling bad about this entirely 😛
crisp granite
pc for game!!!
wheat plume
Xd
reef patrol
Or when they tried to force all Office users to pay yearly subscriptions to make sure no one kept using old versions for too long.
crimson wigeon
Wouldn't uni give you the education version anyway or is uni too poor for that
urban lynx
@reef patrol mood. ngl.
makes me kinda hate it. cause the motherboard is something that usually needs changing eventually too
reef patrol
Wouldn't uni give you the education version anyway or is uni too poor for that
@crimson wigeon In Denmark you get the OS for free, not the Office sub 😄
urban lynx
and for their plans to have win10 like a very long lifetime OS? yeah get fucked microsoft.
reef patrol
The very same OS you already have on your laptop anyhow 😄
ashen spindle
idk, just link your windows account to your microsoft account and it shouldnt matter if you switch the entire pc
reef patrol
It's such a chore to link and unlink though.
ashen spindle
sure or you just keep it linked
wheat plume
idk, just link your windows account to your microsoft account and it shouldnt matter if you switch the entire pc
@ashen spindle I had ;_;
ashen spindle
well apparently not
wheat plume
It said on my laptop when I had windows
"This is licensed by digital key linked to your account"
crimson wigeon
That's not a path to free license anymore
reef patrol
That means it found your license online, Lana 😄
wheat plume
Yeh
I've signed in with my online account during install
Its in the account settings already
crimson wigeon
And if you're logged into the proper account and all you should be able to run the activation troubleshooter thingy and it might pick up on that
wheat plume
but fast ring seems like a very lana thing
@prisma crag it would if you didn't have to set all the telemetry to maximum
ashen spindle
just block it??
man you daily linux and act like navigating and change windows settings is vodoo work
wheat plume
And if you're logged into the proper account and all you should be able to run the activation troubleshooter thingy and it might pick up on that
@crimson wigeon how?
crimson wigeon
Don't ask me I've still not built a new PC so hadn't had to fool with that
reef patrol
You can always troubleshoot your activation if Windows can't immediately find the license.
wheat plume
How I troubleshoot it?
reef patrol
On...the activation page 😄
crimson wigeon
wheat plume
Hmm....
reef patrol
wheat plume
Once with boots up again I'll try it
Yay!! It let me say "I changed hardware"
And it's active now
reef patrol
wheat plume
OH FUCK YOU WINDOWS
MY LINUX INSTALL CANT CONNECT TO WIFI NOW BECAUSE WINDOWS MUST HAVE CHANGE SOME DRIVER FOR IT
crimson wigeon
lolwut
wheat plume
;; HOW I FIX? ;; HELP
ashen spindle
easy, first you figure out what happend before you randomly blame windows for everything
dapper ridge
type dmesg into a console
and grep things like wifi
or your adapter name
dmesg | grep wireless```etc
crisp granite
google-fu mastur here
dapper ridge
can you confirm that is your wireless card?
crisp granite
bow before zhe mastar, ngh
dapper ridge
yes but is it that card
wheat plume
Not sure
crimson wigeon
Probably doesn't matter, just read the answer
dapper ridge
eh, does not matter ultimately
wheat plume
The solution should work the same
crimson wigeon
TLDR: fast startup is nothing but trouble
wheat plume
Lemme boot back into windows
dapper ridge
fast startup is likely the problem
wheat plume
Nothing fast about the boot speed currently
Its on a spinning circle for the past 20 seconds
dapper ridge
I had the same issue with my sound on my last dual boot
have you fixed the bios time issue yet?
wheat plume
Wow that took a long ass time to boot
crimson wigeon
And another possible solution https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201319#c55 mmm.. sysfs tricks
wheat plume
Turn off this shit?
dapper ridge
yes that should be off
wheat plume
Ok
Booting back to Linux
Hang on a sec
crimson wigeon
It's incredibly pointless anyway unless you're using spinning rust
wheat plume
Wat....
crimson wigeon
Yes
dapper ridge
eh
dapper ridge
try again, boot into windows in then back into linux
I find it often works in twos
just to make sure
wheat plume
O
Right
Ok
I need to setup grub also
I've changed the grub delay to 0 but I'll need to change it back now and hope grub will see windows now
dapper ridge
do you have the right packages installed for grub to see windows?
wheat plume
os-prober? I must check
I assume a distro that has grub enabled by default will have that
Yeh
It does
dapper ridge
I mean I would almost assume that but I am a "Btw I use arch" guy
wheat plume
:') I use arch
crimson wigeon
That's a rather default thing to have included and probably not necessary in a UEFI system anyway
dapper ridge
I personally use rEFInd
crimson wigeon
Me too
crimson wigeon
GRUB2 is just omega complex, I miss the days of simple config files thus rEFInd it is
wheat plume
O
wheat plume
Need to save this and run the grub update command
dapper ridge
hardened arch logo
wheat plume
dapper ridge
windows logo
dapper ridge
nah
I think its safe to ignore
probably just a partition of an unknown filesystem
I dont know how you laid out your partitions so I cannot speak with confidence however
wheat plume
Ayy
That worked
My partitions are easy
One ssd for linux
One ssd for windows
That's it xd
dapper ridge
what partitions
windows has like 4
and linux has from like 1 - 10 depending on how crazy you are
wheat plume
I just choose the drive on the windows install and it made two
One for the OS and some other one
I think my linux has 3 partitions
The windows cursor theme is horrible
Ew...
dapper ridge
well whichever ssd is your primary, ie nvme0n1, that is not recognized by grub
wheat plume
True :')
dapper ridge
so, are you using like manjaro or something?
wheat plume
ArcoLinuxB
ashen spindle
but for how long is the real question
ashen spindle
doubt
wheat plume
I can prove it
dapper ridge
Ive been using arch on my laptop for about 2 years, since I bought the device
ashen spindle
if you got your pc couple days ago, how can you possibly prove that you've run it for very long
wheat plume
Cause I've had it on my old computer too
But gnome desktop version not plasma
Y it think windows on NVME?
crimson wigeon
Because that's where your EFI system partition is
reef tundra
nvme is not windows related. It is a standard for namespaces and storage medium
One way to know where windows is installed is by looking for their specific filesystem
lsblk --fs
can help you with that
nvme is typically seen with ssd's and m.2 drives
ntfs is their filesystem. Linux nor GRUB doesnt natively understand this format so you need add the package from the repo
Has anyone gotten the native lsp working in neovim?
misty pier
i upgraded to that wifi chip months ago
wheat plume
I hate the windows install screen -.-
It doesn't tell you the names of the drive
I literally has to guess
misty pier
the realtek wireless chip is poopy
cursive summit
You are trying to install Windows?
wheat plume
Although drive 1 had two partition
So I figured that was my linux drive and installed to drive 0
cursive summit
Finally going back to the humanity?
reef tundra
No you have sinned
cursive summit
Lana you mentioned Nvidia is more stable on Linux than AMD?
wheat plume
Idk
I figure AMD would be cause their drivers are open source and built into the kernel
vagrant marsh
ha. amd drivers being stable
cursive summit
Did you know in terms of code, on Linux AMD have over 2M lines of code, while Nvidia only has 100k?
vagrant marsh
im active on the microsoft community discord and i can tell you for sure, amd drivers arnt stable.
ashen spindle
cool but I doubt on the microsoft discord they are talking about linux drivers
cursive summit
On Linux I heard good things
wheat plume
Did you know in terms of code, on Linux AMD have over 2M lines of code, while Nvidia only has 100k?
@cursive summit o.o
vagrant marsh
actually, linux is talked about alot.
wheat plume
They all talking about shit it is?
vagrant marsh
its not an official discord. its a community discord. however, there are some real employees from microsoft on it
cursive summit
Well apparently 10% of the Linux size is just AMD's graphics driver
wheat plume
Oh shit
vagrant marsh
not at all. i dont follow all conversations, alot of them ask about linux related problems. atleast 1 woman, a german uni student of all people, knows linux inside out
reef tundra
They need to balance the security vurnabilities posts with something that doesnt make 1000 security risks
wheat plume
O.o
vagrant marsh
since the tech support of that discord is community run, you dont get only windows questions.
though yes, those are the majority of it.
reef tundra
Ya, like abitrary remote code execution with no workarounds or mitigations using just an website with the javascript payload that works even with windows server 2003 and up?
only on windows will these amazing deals be found.
valve pls fix
wheat plume
the windows 10 cursor
is ugly AF
like holy shit
ashen spindle
then change it
fair gull
easy fix dont torrent
ivory geyser
Lana come on, just use the P-hub instead, torrent are so 2000s. 
chrome estuary
all torrents aren't pirating
wheat plume
^^^
reef tundra
The joke is on them i replaced my webbrowser with vim
And my vim can now do lsp's
i can now get scolded at my spaghetti code in c in realtime
wheat plume
Why the wireless ones cheaper??
pliant shard
40ms low latency connection
this could be beneficial for someone running a lower refresh rate monitor
nova carbon
bt version has a smaller driver and doesnt have boom mic, some internal mic it looks like @wheat plume
tender sparrow
I was under the impression it was just because the new edition came out and has some upgrades
neat oriole
Ew razer
zenith sonnet
https://i.redd.it/4nhxpd8qnjs51.jpg
That's weird
zenith sonnet
3900XT and 3950X are tied in gaming performance
Assuming they did not do any benchmark shenanigans, and we have no reason to believe they did, they are showing that the 5950X is about 8% faster than the 5900X in these 3 games
Is the 5900X limited by power? Do those games benefit from more than 24 threads? Or does the 5950X maintain higher boost clock on the best cores due to better binning?
neat oriole
Probably better binning
zenith sonnet
But the 3950X also has significantly better binning than the 3900XT
reef tundra
cpu machine goes brrrrrrrrrrrr
crisp granite
I love how they use far cry new dawn as a benchmark
just cuz it's cpu bound most of the time
reef tundra
We need to know how fast it can render a large fortress going from peak to total decay because someone pissed off someone and caused mass infighting
zenith sonnet
I like that they included AotS
reef tundra
compiling with gcc is cringe
crisp granite
recore?
that game was interesting
oh
there was a game called recore
ah
typo
neat oriole
Fwik even people like amd or intel or NVIDIA need permission from game publishers to use their titles in these presentations
That and some games just don’t have a benchmark mode
That might be true for first party graphs yes
zenith sonnet
Might be that those 3 games benefit from more than 6, but no more than 8, cores being on the same CCD
AotS is one of the best benchmarks out there
But I don't even know if it has gameplay or not
Also, silly reason, but maybe AMD skipped the Ryzen 5700X to avoid confusion with the Radeon 5700XT?
reef tundra
ohhhh yea mister krabs.. I got the ncurses library working
It was littery just adding an -lncurses as argument. With the power of 2000's documentation i can take input and show text
halcyon moss
5 years is not old
crimson wigeon
Oh neat I remember that thing
old marlin
oh
yea looked cool pack in the days
iirc it was even capable of housing a 120mm rad and have quite a lot of power thanks to it
aka a 9590
cursive summit
People are talking about a Navi Nano
I would love a new nano
Vega Nano never released
cursive summit
I'll buy one off of him
ashen spindle
just put a bigger battery in then zzz
cursive summit
HAH
Pursuing the "5G" marketing gag instead of actually functional hardware
Who the fuck cares about 5G, or even better who uses it?
4G's enough to be good
ashen spindle
I mean, I'll be happy since I hoped they would add it last year already
and it's true 5g is easier to market than higher refresh rate screens
but just give me the option zzz
cursive summit
Another dead ass iPhone
cursive summit
Go android?
ashen spindle
so I think I'll get that replaced and give it to my mom
cursive summit
Stop supporting Apple's marketing?
ashen spindle
they all equally suck in some parts so I might as well just be lazy and stick to what I'm used
cursive summit
Dunno I see no reason not to go for Poco x3
thick elk
It's also very much true that running at 120hz with current display controllers really does hurt battery life.
For marketing you pretty much need to have 5g on a high end phone.
ashen spindle
does the poco x3 come with 5g? as much as its a joke I do need it bc work
cursive summit
Nope no 5G
But it's budget phone with high end features so fuck Apple or Samsung I ain't spending more
Especially if Apple does dare to say goodbye to USB jack
wheat plume
ashen spindle
oh right no usb jack would mean I cant use my wired earbuds any more
hmm that might be a reason to not get one, guess we'll see tomorrow
old marlin
we may have bought a tape storage server for 20 euros
and it came with 12 tapes installed
ashen spindle
wow who did you scam
ashen spindle
wait is there still data on those tapes
old marlin
currently looking if there is
just the tape carriers alone are over 300 euros a piece apparently
ashen spindle
hey uh, get me in contact with that guy? maybe he has some other deals I could make use of lmao
old marlin
nah
we just bought a ton of servers from him
flipping has a ton of money behind it
cursive summit
So a very important question is
Does no USB jack mean complete water immunity?
That is an interesting compromise
ashen spindle
complete no, as much as apple would like to seal their phones so you cant repair anything
old marlin
also we usually don't get any drives
cursive summit
Cause ngl I wouldn't mind having a completely waterproof phone I could shower with
And be assured it won't die due to water
ashen spindle
could be neat
but I dont want it, people are glued to their phones too much already lmao
cursive summit
I don't even use my phone that much
But I would like to just place it in the shower itself for tunes
And at the same time wash the phone cause you know, hygiene
ashen spindle
Rip no lottery win
ashen spindle
so still a good deal you got there
old marlin
yup
even if we didn;t wanna use it
we could get a couple hundred for it
just one of the tape carriers in it costs more than 20 euros
fickle ore
pretty nice, like 80% of my computer time is word/excel/browser/discord stuff these days
ashen spindle
meh
that article says basically nothing about it
thy say what the got with the psu but not what they got with a normal psu
like what
fickle ore
In contrast to ATX, ATX12VO power supplies and mainboards only work with 12 volts. In our measurements, this halves the idle power consumption.
reef patrol
(And completely gimps SATA and Molex xD)
thick elk
Basically, but it's absolutely true that for a large portion of power supplies the lower voltage rails are not handled very efficiently.
Ultimately moving towards a future were this bagage can be dropped is fine by me.
in the transition period awkward adapters are the norm
Or like a lot of other things this never get's into diy space
reef patrol
I'd be a lot less annoyed with it, if it didn't add as many power connectors as it claims to save 😛
Removes 24pin...adds two power connectors right next to each other to compensate. Adds another SATA connector going out of the motherboard (for each device)
thick elk
In my system all it would essentially add is extra power for sata.
I really wish this move was done earlier with sata 3 so moving forward you could have a smaller sata power that just carried 12v
ashen spindle
they claim those 50% but the only 2 numbers are from using the 12vo configuration
so that doesnt really show what the other values would be
article is a bit shallow, heise usually does a better job
reef patrol
And then there's the much bigger issue with needing power conversion on the motherboard, which according to Intel means ITX is not possible.
And then there's that thing about motherboards being the weakest link as is - I don't really want MORE power going into them for further risk 😄
Didn't Linus even admit that some PSU manufacturers already did something similar to 12VO -IN- the PSU already xD
thick elk
Really there is nothing stopping people from having something like a split psu or otherwise a internal psu that does the 12v to 5 and 3.3
basically this is a bit of an extreme example: https://seasonic.com/connect
but you can do the same with the 12vo standard
ashen spindle
or we could just have 1 standard and not use 36 different standards bc nobody can agree on one thing
reef patrol
Indeed.
thick elk
But sometimes it is time to move on and not carry bagage from the past century.
12-vo is a good break imo especially since sata becomes less and less relevant.
fickle ore
Delete SATA please
ashen spindle
Oh I am not necessarily against moving to it, just didn’t like the split psu stuff you mentioned
ashen spindle
Ehh sounds ok I’m just worried it will stick around for longer bc of market segment X or so
thick elk
maybe, either way it's electrically pretty easy to do so if the psu makers themselves don't do it, some company certainly will.
fickle ore
Is 16gb of ddr4 enough these days when I build zen 3 in a month?
I'm thinking ddr4 4400CL19 set
ashen spindle
4400 seems like a waste if from what we know it uses more or less the same IF as zen2
so I'd say wait for reviews if 3600 is still the sweetspot
thick elk
If you want to optimize for memory you are better off getting dual rank performance wise
fickle ore
gaming
reef patrol
Until we know what Zen 3 can actually run... 3600 for sure.
3000 series has serious problems with RAM overclocks beyond that point.
fickle ore
4400CL19 because I oc it to 3800CL14
thick elk
Going high end memory I would go 32gb instead of 16gb, sure lower clocks but if you are going to spend at least get a bit more.
ashen spindle
just get some good rev E and you get there without needing to pay for 4400 binned prices
fickle ore
that 4400 kit is like 130€
not too bad
idk if thats bad tho havent followed ram prices
rev E can do 3800/14?
ashen spindle
get some crucial ballistix for 90 and you get there
fickle ore
what model?
ashen spindle
fickle ore
oki ty
thick elk
also relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25NW8cHNrgA
if you want to get 4x 8gb instead
fickle ore
thanks I actually saw that yesterday while browsing on phone but it was too blurry, forgot it so will watch now
DR 3800/CL14 would be sweet if its possible even
ashen spindle
best to wait for reviews to see how IF clock behaves, not like ram will be an issue to get
ashen spindle
think thatll be in an upcoming video
this was more of a showing his test validated his thoughts
extended to 30 minutes bc BZ can't make a video below 25 minutes lmao
thick elk
He can, he just has to do a sliding car video on a less than 30 minute track
crisp granite
people hate on standardization?
ashen spindle
ye 7 W compared to watt
idk what my pc uses in idle
yes I read that when it was linked earlier
doesnt offer any comparison numbers
old marlin
yup
reef patrol
You're ADDING cables with your new system, young man 😛
Your argument is silly 😄
ashen spindle
wasn't my point, my point was it doesn't offer a number for a normal psu
reef patrol
If you're chasing those ..0000001 % differences go nuts.
But YOU're the one making it difficult 😄
fickle ore
if I didn't care about high fps I would just get a 3700x and pleb 3600/CL16 😦
reef patrol
You're not going to see improved FPS by chasing timings.
crisp granite
1 fps difference, twice the headache
crisp granite
that is a nice waterblock
fickle ore
1 FPS difference, you say?
reef patrol
fortnite
crisp granite
people play fortnite?
ashen spindle
... tahts on an intel system where it scales a lot more than it does on AMD
crisp granite
I thought fortnite was for lobotomites
fickle ore
AMD should scale more with ram speed tbh
fickle ore
nah thats not DR
@ashen spindle no AMD scales more because it has more latency so the faster ddr we go the lower latency we end up with so the scaling is better and gets worse the lower latency we get
ashen spindle
did you just mix up speed with timings/latency or are you trying to tell me going above 3800 on amd makes sense
fickle ore
I just found a reddit thread where ppl are saying late 2019 and 2020 ryzen 3700x's get up to 1933-1966 IF 😮
Neither
Just that pleb timings on zen 2 vs pleb timings on intel.. gives more performance for the AMD
ashen spindle
but still, no point in sayin what matters till we get the hardware on hand/reviews
fickle ore
I cant write
going from pleb timings to good gives AMD more performance is what I meant
ashen spindle
yes but that's because memclck = IFclck, not bc of the ram speeds itself like on intel
fickle ore
Not entirely
ashen spindle
the majority comes from it
bc its faster ram vs faster ram and faster interconnect
fickle ore
AMD zen 2 starts at 70ns vs intel 30-40ns so the scaling is more extreme for AMD as we get from pleb timings to good timings.. Sure IF plays it's part there but it's also because AMD starts at higher latency
ashen spindle
sure but that's also bc intel uses a ring bus vs the CCX/CCD design on AMD etc. that's not just memory anymore at that point that influences the numbers tehre
fickle ore
but its different on zen 3 due to difference cache arrangement and 2CCX vs 1CCX. Zen 3 should have lower memory latency by default having the unified cache arranged better
Yeah yeah
vagrant marsh
@fickle ore the fuck. 2666 10 faster than 3200 16?
fickle ore
But yeah I'm getting 5800x/5700x so if I can get 100 extra fps or 80 more avg fps, yeah ill pay 100$ more for a ram kit
ashen spindle
you're not getting 80 more from going from cl16 to 14 though
fickle ore
3800/14 DR vs 3600/16 SR could be a lot tho
vagrant marsh
every fps counts
if i cant game at a framerate my screen cant even handle, its not worth it
pliant shard
ryzen 5000 might get a few hundred extra mhz fclk speed
ashen spindle
unlikely
pliant shard
being able to run a 4200mt stick would be nice
pretty sure fortnite isn't
doom eternal probably is
vagrant marsh
btw. i moved from 16gb cl16 2 lane to 32gb cl18 4 lane, and my fps increased with an average of 5 across all games 😄 simply by going from 2 lane to 4 lane.
pliant shard
it's not even 4 lane
ashen spindle
its the same IO die and they already confirmed to press that memory sweetspot is around the same as on zen2
vagrant marsh
then i mean that
fickle ore
@ashen spindle matured process could be like 1966-2000 IF clock for now
vagrant marsh
i purposefully didnt say channel cause i know what dual channel is. i thought it was called lane
ashen spindle
if it would be I dont think they would tell people that memory is about the same
pliant shard
it's important you speak 100% correct when you play the game of telephone
ashen spindle
what do you mean you put your dual rank GPU in the tripple slot RAM?
fickle ore
Also my personal pet-peeve: People talk about game optimization not understand what it is
like mmorpg gamers think a game is badly optimized cuz its cpu bound
pliant shard
i was told MHW was cpu bound and that's why i was getting fps issues
meanwhile sitting on 8700k and 1070 ti, mhw couldn't even use 40% of a single core and more than 20% of my gpu
just dogshit developers
fickle ore
a game is ALWAYS bound by something, always. It's either the memory, the cpu or the gpu. You can even change that yourself with the provided options.
pliant shard
a few things go into optimization. mainly there's developer retardation and a secondary intentional retardation
such as in the case of Crysis
they intentionally made it optimized like garbage to eek out as much visual fidelity as humanly possible at the time
fickle ore
Like fortnite players calling their game shittily optimized because you can hit 400fps on CPU, but GPU utilization shows 40% :kekw
pliant shard
but it also doesn't scale well with newer hardware
fickle ore
They want it to be GPU bound
pliant shard
thinking
looks to me like they saved a lot of money on the color palette
7 years ago
the gameplay footage doesn't look like their fire simulation is all that special
or that there's any simulation at all
just clips into the ground
and you're mostly just fighting the same phimosis creatures
you're right. nothing is representative of gameplay until the game is released
not a very good demo
not one i would release, but maybe other people think otherwise
frontlines fuel of war demo was fun
hard to get into a shooter game that requires you magdump your opponent for a kill
900 person war but like 50 or a hundred at the highest sorta camping around and maybe fighting
reef tundra
That is why you organise
fair gull
i am sure eve online easily eats 900player battles
pliant shard
if i want to larp i play arma though
fair gull
for breakfast
reef tundra
Oh yea? Do you know every geneva convention so you have the highest warcrimes per minute in the game?
fickle ore
planetside 3 when
actually it's in the making 😮
lol
yuea
dl'ing planetside 2 atm, been years since I tried it
reef patrol
i am sure eve online easily eats 900player battles
@fair gull EVE tends to die when that happens though
It just can't handle that many ships in a single location without severe time dilation.
PS kind of skirts that problem by requiring you to defend a wide front line instead of single massive battles.
Too easy to hotdrop behind enemy lines and kill their supply lines.
Used to be my old clan's speciality back in beta. So much fun seeing an entire faction rage over losing a map to 20 people
pliant shard
also
the r5 5600X is launching at $300
i don't see why it would change from what amd said
5000 series cache size should also help make ram speeds matter less
pliant shard
if i were to get 5000 i'd try for a board i can run 4x8 in
or an itx and 2x16
i've been thinking about it
i haven't used more than 16 in a while
but i no longer run an android emulator and a w10 vm at the same time
while doing stuff
like running minecraft with 8gb allocated
mm
the latest and greatest
or when they aren't possible on the flavor of the month cpu line
i mean amd is great, it's a godsend, it's whatever people want to make it out to be. but i imagine if they ever lose their status for even 1 generation they're back to bulldozer days
maybe
but what about ARM then
ashen spindle
rip arm
pliant shard
i think amd is looking into arm and nvidia already purchased whoever
i just bought samsung s20
i was looking at google pixel 5 for so long but jesus
it should come with a card that says google really doesn't give a fuck
pixel 5 is a downgrade from 4
and possibly 3
third rate chipset
60hz
budget king is probably a chinesium phone
good
i'll never understand
they put a 855 or 865 in
2k or 4k screen
and all this other shit, then give you usb 2.0
and the usual software suite
also
pixel 5 has 128gb of storage and no sd card slot
my music takes up 100gb
what are they thinking
someone should develop a sim card that doubles as an sd card
tender sparrow
Pixel 5 is basically Essential PH-2
pliant shard
when you use a 120hz screen it's hard to go back to 60hz
even on a phone even browsing the internet
reef patrol
Can confirm. 90hz phone. Wife's 60hz feels SO slow.
chrome estuary
yeah but fucking Pixel 5 is also 700$
chrome estuary
The xiaomi Poco x3 is a 500$ phone with a 300$ price tag
pliant shard
it's only positive is being designed for google fi
chinesium has other issues
such as usb
actually
the pixel 5 also has fucked up usb
usb 3.1 instead of 3.2
power delivery 3.0 instead of 2.0
chrome estuary
I'm still looking for a new phone that I actually want
I'm debating on one of the newer OnePlus
like maybe the 7 or some shit
pliant shard
the only oneplus i ever looked at was the 5
it's true, because who has headphone jacks
chrome estuary
samsung
pliant shard
well i'll take a larger phone
pliant shard
chinesium
chrome estuary
just because google and apple are idiots, doesn't mean everyone is
chrome estuary
I prefer larger phones. The note 9 is probably a little big for my tastes but I've gotten used to it
pliant shard
which note 9
chrome estuary
galaxy
pliant shard
mmm