get a adapter bracket and get 4 fans 1/4 the size so you put 24 fans in 
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
perfect lel
old marlin
old marlin
?
fair gull
- standing for a certain browser name
ashen spindle
fair gull
gaming browser of everyones choice
fair gull
yes
thick elk
At least there is some hope for humanity
old marlin
gamer browser and office
gamer office when
I mean
can I complain
I have an alienware laptop from work
fair gull
well the office was an after thought cause now that the customers.son has this pc he can also do his homework there instead of dads pc
cursive summit
Can't wait
Also AMD next gen CPU's are confirmed to be 5000 series
Good riddance, I like the shift in naming
ashen spindle
28th
cursive summit
According to some people
The presentation is only 25 mins
Correlates with the previous rumour it's only gonna be half an hour
Not bad, Nvidia's presentation was also somewhere near 30 min mark iirc
halcyon moss
how much can you tell about it
cursive summit
@halcyon moss What?
The Zen 3 launch?
They'll launch 5800 and 5900 towards end of October, and the rest (5600/5700?) later on, in November iirc
Should be really powerful
cursive summit
You did that to yourself
Why'd you buy something ahead of a next-gen launch?
Always wait for the launch, prices fall
cursive summit
That'd be what in USD?
crisp granite
$250-ish?
cursive summit
For a 3600XT?
Sounds about right
And it's definitely not EoL
A very capable CPU
Would you want to return it to save a dollar or two or get a new gen CPU? Sure
If you can
ashen spindle
no point to speculate now, we dont know prices/when a similar priced one is availible etc.
wait for the show in 2 hours and see if you think giving it back and waiting is worth it or not
crisp granite
I'm worried about bottlenecking, I'm gonna use an rtx 3070 at 1080p and want to get 100% load on the gpu
crisp granite
yup
but I want great 1080p 144hz with rtx and all the fancy stuff for years to come
so it's not too crazy
reef patrol
The problem is indeed the CPU at 1080.
3080 is bottlenecked even by the high end Intels.
ashen spindle
not with RTX featues 
reef patrol
Hehe
ashen spindle
and if you are really cpu bound you can also do super sampling etc. so it switches to gpu bound, if you want to be gpu bound you can be
misty pier
I'm not going to pay for the day 1 pricing like I did for my 3700x 
zenith sonnet
If the 5000 series is only 10% faster, it's a meh
For sure
I'll most likely wait a few weeks
Unless I can get a preorder in before prices rise
misty pier
they usually don't throw down any offers with day 1 launches, just the cpu itself
like free games or something
zenith sonnet
We'll see
misty pier
yeah, hopefully this is something good
5000s got apus with 8 cores right?
i don't remember if it was for something else or 5000
misty pier
gotcha
shadow minnow
Anyone here can help me with table top choosing?
@digital cliff check channel where I tagged you 👀
@digital cliff Would this be good table top? (For pc, monitor, soundbar, and all the other things on it?)
https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/gerton-table-top-beech-50106773/
Also what about this table legs?
https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/olov-leg-adjustable-black-30264301/
But I would prefer to have like 160.80cm, not sure if I will find anything good for that dimensions though, did not find yet
yes that would be good
@digital cliff thickness however is not mentioned on that site so not sure if it is 4cm
@digital cliff Is that okay?
Okay, sorry
Probably going to order it. I hope it will be wide enough
About the legs, these look like from some metal material, and have 60-90cm adjustable height which is nice
if you like beech, I’m sure it’ll be fine
What?
Why?
What material do you like?
what country are you located in again
@digital cliff Slovakia, but sent links to English site so people understand 😄
I may want to paint it, not sure yet
Or if I just found any table top from wood in my country which is 160.80cm I would rather go for that but I did not find one
The thing is that these are lot bigger dimensions which makes them more expensive
I am checking that, most do not.
I know Slovak language and still found just one site offering cutting service
Also, which type of wood is best?
Like oak...
And if I am painting?
I am blind, nevermind
Yes
I thought you are saying sth else, and did not realize
crimson wigeon
Excellent can't wait for ridiculous product names so they talk more about "the competition"
cursive summit
1:20 from right now
crimson wigeon
Audio quality LUL
pale sigil
xD
crimson wigeon
Kinda digging this scuffed audio
ashen spindle
audio seems fine on the youtube stream
crimson wigeon
Yes but it's also like half a minute behind
ashen spindle
so for twitch stream they are using the wrong audi channel smh
crimson wigeon
Also I depend on the cancer chat
ashen spindle
ehh im enough on twitch so I disable it for big streams lmao
pale sigil
Single thread 
crimson wigeon
Best single thread performance? 
pale sigil
xD
misty pier
thhis is boring
crimson wigeon
Ah yes more prediction with twice the vulnerabilities
thick elk
Yay performance per watt, it's such an easy stat to inflate
ashen spindle
not for intel
misty pier
ok maybe 5000 is a pass for me
thick elk
They can, just clock the core half as fast and performance per watt goes up quite a bit
ashen spindle
why a pass, whats your current one?
thick elk
but yea copy pasting the same architecture you can't get a lot improvement on intel's side
pale sigil
4.8ghz on 5900x 
thick elk
*5900x
misty pier
thick elk
shadow of the tombraider, already favors amd
misty pier
ok well that's all I came to see then
ashen spindle
yes its a cpu not a gpu
shadow minnow
Ouch that audio is terrible (AMD presentation)
spiral belfry
Out of my cave I come (and very off-topic to what you guys are talking about), anyone here used the Magento API (via Oauth) before? 😂
pale sigil
Single thread 
true quest
it's fine
misty pier
muh single threads are supa fast
thick elk
well that was a weakpoint so it is meaningful
spiral belfry
I might have to XD all the amd talk is happening
crimson wigeon
-3% INTEL WON
ashen spindle
want to have 4k benches where it changes 0%?
true quest
im certain 1080 remains the most prevalent resolution
shadow minnow
I want to see 4k
ashen spindle
sad we dont get 5ghz memes at least
reef tundra
5ghz is a meme in inself
pale sigil
reef tundra
Seems fine
misty pier
thick elk
Intel at this point can only compete on price
ashen spindle
intel needs to reduce prices to be the budget option, otherwise the budget opiton is price reduced zen2 cpus lul
reef tundra
Intel is fucked by manegement
fair gull
@spiral belfry the fuck is magento
reef tundra
From x-men
fair gull
the cousin of magenta?
thick elk
Thing about intel is, they don't care as much on the desktop anymore.
Especially not on diy.
spiral belfry
@spiral belfry the fuck is magento
@fair gull Google ❤️
fair gull
isnt intel more about server and business now?
thick elk
server laptop and enterprise
reef tundra
The engineers care but shareholders and executives dont want to take risks
ashen spindle
intel cares about LAptop and OEM, but if DiY does well, it goes over into OEM
fair gull
@spiral belfry ah php thats why i havent heard of it
pale sigil
hypeeeeeeeeeee
thick elk
They already confirmed that officially.
pale sigil
misty pier
shroud looks nice
misty pier
why is twitch ahead
ashen spindle
750 or 799 not sure
crimson wigeon
Not 8K
ashen spindle
but it was 7xx
misty saffron
how many cpu generations on am4 now
ashen spindle
zen, zen+, zen2, zen3
fickle ore
450$ for 5800x shiiet and no 5700x
misty saffron
weren't there some fx cpus on am4?
fickle ore
oh well
spiral belfry
@spiral belfry ah php thats why i havent heard of it
@fair gull Yeah, I was hoping someone would have used it in here and could help me with it XD
fair gull
should the question be about how many cpus on a given chipset and not socket?
pale sigil
i hope there is a 5700x
cursive summit
Well it didn't look that good
CPUs perform on par with Intel finally, but are priced also badly
299$ for cheapest SKU
ashen spindle
yeah, zen2 is not EOL so below that you can get a price reduced zen2 cpu
cursive summit
RX 6000 seems to do great though from what they showed
misty saffron
should the question be about how many cpus on a given chipset and not socket?
@fair gull that works too
welp there goes my 3950x then
fucking amd
fickle ore
well given that you can beat intel by handily now with 450$ its quite cheap
fair gull
iirc am4 has multiple chipsets and some dont support all cpus
misty saffron
wasn't it up to the manufacturer
ashen spindle
the chipsets would, just the bios/agesa versions not
cursive summit
The Radeon card they showed off is performing relatively similarly to RTX 3080
fair gull
ya so its an amd decision
cursive summit
Tie on Gears 5, loses out on 9 FPS on Borderlands
misty saffron
how much is the card though
cursive summit
So we have an inbetweener between RTX 3070 - 3080
fair gull
with raytracing or without
cursive summit
No clue, they showed a "sneak peak"
misty saffron
hopefully cheaper than 3080
cursive summit
Will most definitely be cheaper
shadow minnow
Good products but horrible presentation. The audio...
misty saffron
i wonder if they came up with their own dlss competitor though
ashen spindle
audio was fine on youtube where most people watched
misty saffron
because that's one way for them to become competitive
fair gull
@shadow minnow prob audio from a new ryzen cpu :kappa:
ashen spindle
I assume they will, probably using DirectML api in windows
shadow minnow
Even on YouTube, one of presenters had no basses in voice just heights
ashen spindle
best summary: " To put it another way, in just over a year, AMD’s IPC gains beat out Intel’s 2015-2020 IPC advances. They are giddy for a reason."
fickle ore
prolly beating Intel 2011-2020
misty pier
audio didn't sound bad on my end
misty pier
tables have flipped 
crimson wigeon
better put them back then ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
cursive summit
We'll see how the 5600X and 5800X perform compared to 10700k
They didn't share a single slide on their perf
Which is suspicious
misty saffron
well now we all can justifiably call intel shit
cursive summit
Wait for Rocket Lake-S™️
ashen spindle
yes wait 6 months
cursive summit
Rocket Lake will defo kill AMD in performance
But AMD is releasing Zen 4 in 2021 too
misty pier
now the 6-cores cost nearly as much as my 3700x at msrp
cursive summit
It's literally a flip of performance leadership every 6 months
ashen spindle
this just in, if you only wait 6 months, you might get something better
crisp granite
yeah
ashen spindle
yeah except after rocket lake, which is a) still on 14nm and b) maxes out at 8 cores, comes alder lake with the shitty big.Little configuration
cursive summit
Well it looks like if you have a Zen processor, you shouldn't upgrade until Zen 4 at least
ashen spindle
that will be a fuckfest
misty pier
yeah I doubt the jump is big from 3000 to 5000
cursive summit
We'll see how the 5800X does with SMT off
ashen spindle
depends on how well memory scales etc
misty pier
the gpus on the other hand.. quite interested in seeing more
ashen spindle
if you can scale it much higher you could gain quite a bit more
after all we didnt see anything on IF changes
cursive summit
If you have leadership, you always try to squeeze out cash from your buyers
Look at new CPUs
Meanwhile Nvidia is fucking AMD left right and center
So expect cheap cards with good perf
fickle ore
@misty pier you just saw 46%-50% increase in cpu bound games for a few games from 3900x vs 5900x 😛
and its not big?
kek
cursive summit
Comparatively cheap, 650$ for top GPU or so
The best rumour is, the best Radeon card they have is actually under top secret protection
crisp granite
haha
ashen spindle
ah I see, you are trusting videocardz on their shitty rumours lmao
crisp granite
BIG NAVI has 20898709890708 stream processors
cursive summit
Videocardz is relatively reputable
crisp granite
great for 720p 60hz gaming
misty pier
dunno, can't believe what I see until the real benchs come around
crisp granite
noice
cursive summit
Typically they come a week prior to release?
So roughly at the same time of AMD's GPU presentation
ashen spindle
what, no not even nvidia keeps it that close
you mix it up with when they got a full driver perhaps
shadow minnow
cursive summit
I want to see something like SmartShift for Zen 3
RX - Ryzen in tandem beating shit out of everything
cursive summit
So 5600X is the "X" SKU
ashen spindle
also, I think they mentioned intel a total of 0 times
cursive summit
That's not half that bad
ashen spindle
intel should learn from that about their presentations lul
cursive summit
They only mentioned "i9-10900K" once
ashen spindle
definitely the best AMD presentation I've ever seen
cursive summit
They were too busy stroking their ego to talk about Intel
Intro was just "Yes, we are good"
ashen spindle
too bad a 10 core doesnt make sense with the chiplet design
a 1v1 beatdown of the 10900k would be fun
ashen spindle
probably at launch or slightly before
crimson wigeon
But where the Threadripper at and is 128 cores a possibility
ashen spindle
no
cursive summit
128 cores?
ashen spindle
well
cursive summit
Not likely
cursive summit
We might get 192 threads though 
Very unlikely
But there have been weird 3-way SMT rumours
ashen spindle
nah no smt3/smt4 for zen3 also not on servers
pale sigil
Im going to try and pre order but I'm gonna have to use the amd flash kit thing
As I don't have other ryzen cpus
ashen spindle
why flash kit what
crimson wigeon
Gotta upgrade the UEFI AGESA whatever so it supports the new CPU
ashen spindle
what are you trying to do because whatever it is you are doing it wrong I bet
pale sigil
Amd offer a cpu in the post to allow upgrading your motherboard
ashen spindle
no no not that
pale sigil
Because as you know you nerd a previous ryzen cpu
pale sigil
X570 with a 5600/800x
ashen spindle
so you are buying a new board
cursive summit
The paintjob is nutty
ashen spindle
you are buying a brand new board yes?
ashen spindle
no not you
cursive summit
But this thing is 229$ at least
crimson wigeon
get rid of that weird stuff at the top and add MORE USB
ashen spindle
I'm trying to stop callum from whatever he's doing bc he's doing the wrong thing
crimson wigeon
Yeah wouldn't they prefer if you beg whatever place you're buying the board from to upgrade it for you or something like that
pale sigil
Yes a new board but I'm saying in case
Ye they should has the firmware on
I know
But in case I might have to get the kitn
It's why I'm avoiding the mobo as long as possible
crimson wigeon
Or buy the refreshed variant
ashen spindle
they are literally advertising refreshes with compatible bios
fickle ore
@ashen spindle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/661477027878273026/763806023429390406/unknown.png any guesses for the BFV figure? gpu bound fluke? 5900x not being single CCX
pale sigil
They are?
pale sigil
Same price?
ashen spindle
there is no x670 
pale sigil
Usually cost more
crimson wigeon
Perhaps that BFV thing is a meme like there's a ~fancy Intel exclusive fast path~
ashen spindle
no
pale sigil
Or w.e
cursive summit
What were these weird ass rumours about X670 too?
misty saffron
It's literally a flip of performance leadership every 6 months
@cursive summit except amd is growing performance much faster
misty saffron
if that trend continues
ashen spindle
you can literally use a b450 one right now and flash it if it was q-flash or what they call it, without having a cpu installed
so just get a board that does that if you are so paranoid
pale sigil
True
ashen spindle
you 100% will not need a upgrade kit
ashen spindle
ok now i've stopped you from doing stupid shit I can take a look at what I got pinged for
fickle ore
yeah damn right
plush summit
intel is dead
fair gull
no?
cursive summit
The process is underway, and we have already begun providing our motherboard partners with the software code to add Ryzen 5000 Series support for 400 Series motherboard BIOSes.
You can expect the first beta releases of these BIOSes to be available for download starting in January 2021. The BIOSes will be made available directly from your preferred motherboard vendor when they are ready – exact timing and availability will depend on the development, implementation, and test schedule for your specific motherboard vendor and model.
Only in 2021?
Bruh
fickle ore
haha 2nd class citizens
ashen spindle
so instead of not at all you get it 1 1/2 months later
urban lynx
i own a motherboard with x570 chipset... am i good for now? 
ashen spindle
yes
cursive summit
Sad noises
So effectively, buying B550 and X570 is useless from January onwards since Zen 4 drops AM4 altogether
fickle ore
No..
cursive summit
Sure seems so
ashen spindle
as for BFV @fickle ore I'm not sure, I cant find if most benchmarks for the game are done in dx11 or 12 so maybe that places a role
cursive summit
B450 will be a lot cheaper than B550
fickle ore
@ashen spindle Oh yeah shit right, you can switch between dx11/12 in bfv
urban lynx
so amd will move on from the am.4 socket?
cursive summit
Starting next year yes
Which is why I see no point in going B550
Get a good B450 board, something like Ryzen 7 5800X, and sit out the next AM5 cycle
ashen spindle
because maybe you need pcie4, or can only get a 550 board in your region for a decent price etc.
fickle ore
@ashen spindle BFV is pretty well threaded so my guess is, even looking at that zen 3 vs zen 2 only 5% diff so prob gpu bound or memory bound --- 5800X might've shown bigger difference with 1 CCX
ashen spindle
could also be something driver related, maybe they tested it with big navi and that had some issues there or so
urban lynx
i think i'm being good for a bit with my 3900x until the am.5 stuff is a bit more established at least i hope. lol
fickle ore
true true
ashen spindle
support yes, its not enabled on any of them
cursive summit
I really see no reason right now to even upgrade the motherboard
Just wait for Zen 4
ashen spindle
its disabled and you cant use pcie 4 on b450
fickle ore
ofc there is no reason to upgrade but Im not gonna buy a b450 when I can get b550
crisp granite
now
fickle ore
and save a measly 20-30$
crisp granite
it's been out for a few months
ashen spindle
i think i'm being good for a bit with my 3900x until the am.5 stuff is a bit more established
at least i hope. lol
@urban lynx yes, so whenever you need an upgrade in the future you can potentiall stay with your board and get enough of a boost, or change both in like 2+ years, depending on what you need at that time
cursive summit
The fact they are dropping AM4 is sad, but understandable
ashen spindle
anyway I'm making lunch and will get some intel tears as a drink with it
cursive summit
Dunno I see a big waste in investing into B550 when you can just get some shit like A520
And just wait for Zen 4
ashen spindle
because sometimes you need specific ports, want vrm cooler etc.
fickle ore
you dont invest into pc parts
cursive summit
I can live without B550 for a year and pick up a full set of AM5
fickle ore
just buy a new system when its worth it
first gen AM5 will not be a big increase
maybe gen after that
cursive summit
Considering AM4 is nearing EoL I see little reason in going for 500 series
If AM5 is anything like AM4, B600 might be a great pickup
fickle ore
ill still buy 550/570
cursive summit
Wait wat the fuck
No non-X variants for Zen 3 CPUs?
Fml this needs additional investigation
ashen spindle
Makes sense, my personal assumption is that non-x parts came from not perfect yields and that has easily improved by now
cursive summit
Gamers Nexus is dropping weird signals, but I guess this is partly AMD's fault
According to him "AMD told us they have no new parts beyond the initial 4 SKUs for the time being"
But he suspects they might roll out new ones after launch
cursive summit
Not gonna come
ashen spindle
^
ashen spindle
„ better product doesn’t cost less, customer complains“
crimson wigeon
B-b-but Intel promised like 10 GHz 15 years ago
cursive summit
I was also promised 1080Ti performance for 199$ 5 years ago
Where are my cheap cards you fucks?
I really want to know how much it really costs them to make a single CPU
And how much is the markup for Ryzen 5000 series
cursive summit
Yeah to manufacture a functional product
ashen spindle
look at wafer costs for 7NM on tsmc, and 12nm on GF for the IO die, figure out how many thet can fit on a single wafer, then add costs of them together + some spare change for the rest of it like heatspreader
ashen spindle
no you posted it twice
cursive summit
Discord's misbehaving
ashen spindle
smh
cursive summit
Yeah it uploaded it and it disappeared
Smh 1 gbps internet buys you nothing these days
ashen spindle
crisp granite
yikes
cursive summit
Fml the prices are insane
Zen 5000 doesn't look that bad anymore when you look at this shitty conversion
Who the fuck cares about sharpening in a game that has an anime style?
crisp granite
exactly
cursive summit
Sharper titties isn't a bad thing to look at, but show something more cinematic, like Death Stranding
cursive summit
Ngl I want to see Fragile with Sharper body parts
AMD doesn't have enough Sharpening to truly make her character pop
Nvidia all the way
Nvidia. Sharpen the titties.
crisp granite
YES
reef patrol
RTT Ray Traced Tiddies.
cursive summit
If they actually advertised that in the slides
I would buy the card out of meme value
crisp granite
RTX Tits
cursive summit
Assuming the titties are actually, you know, sharp™️
crisp granite
I would buy a $2000 CAD GPU just for that
it may cost me half a year's savings but it will be so worth it
crisp granite
Canuckistan
cursive summit
I don't think they want to sell RTG
That'd make Nvidia actually happy
Isn't HD 7970 still a great card?
For the price at least?
vagrant marsh
why isnt there an EVGA ryzen 5 3600? or an ASUS 10900k?
ashen spindle
wat
vagrant marsh
why is it, that only graphics cards are released by other brands, but not cpu's?
ashen spindle
are you buying a chip from evga or a pcie device that has a amd/nvidia chip on iot?
reef patrol
Well for one because the die is... it.
You don't have an awful lot of surrounding material.
Back in the day when you used addin cards for RAM and CPU however.
vagrant marsh
i want a freaking Viper Gaming Patriot ryzen 9 5900x!
crisp granite
boomer speaking
reef patrol
Or being able to unlock cores and multipliers by bridging components on the CPU itself.
crisp granite
everyone be quiet
reef patrol
I remember turning a Duron into an Athlon for free. Which was like... 1200 to 1700Mhz for free by using a graphite pencil 😄
My dad was so proud.
crisp granite
that is actually cool
imagine upgrading your gpu with a pencil and 20 minutes of your time
misty saffron
mansen where did you get the ddr5 sticks lol
reef patrol
Huehue
crisp granite
its ddr1, right?
reef patrol
I think so? Just called DRAM. Max of a whopping 4 Megabytes in total 😄
Each stick was a Meg.
crisp granite
noice
pale sigil
Bruh
fair gull
thats not ddr1
pale sigil
Don't get me started on DDR5
reef patrol
Oh right. DOUBLE. I forgot that 😄
reef patrol
Mhmm. You're right
fair gull
none of that double data rate bs
ashen spindle
misty saffron
ddr stands for definitely dynamic ram
ashen spindle
ddr = double dynamic ram
fair gull
tmw u need to buy 2megs of ram for star wars x-wing
crisp granite
2 megs...
fair gull
crisp granite
time to get a loan
fair gull
i mean i removed a 240meg hdd today from an old web access pc in a library
dunno why they dont reuse it
like
240megs is enough for anybody to store all their word documents ever
am i rite
reef patrol
I still have my 486DX2 rig for some reason
@prisma crag g...gggggiiiib
pale sigil
ashen spindle
r/amd aka "whaaa they price it fairly and are not a charity, I wanted them to get bigger so I can pay less for more performance"
I don't /want/ to pay more, but I can make sense of the better product costing more ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wheat plume
thats so american
fair gull
μCenter
ashen spindle
ok now show me how Angström Center looks like
wheat plume
LEL
ashen spindle
Å
fair gull
the center of a group (usually reffered to as) G consists of all those elements x in G such that xg = gx for all g in G
wheat plume
this is what irish tech stores look like
fair gull
so its a micro center
ashen spindle
ofc why would prices drop a month before, unlike gpus cpu's are not EOL when a new generation comes
like some zen+ stuff is still getting produced
cursive summit
DDR doesn't stand for dynamic RAM
fair gull
nice ram
misty saffron
what's the funny part
wheat plume
I need to find a way
to swap the discord and notification icons
CAUSE THIS IS REALLY ANNOYING
ashen spindle
?
reef tundra
You change the desktop enviourment for one without a drawer or atleast one you can finely control. expands brain
wheat plume
its interrupts the system tray AGHHHH
ashen spindle
I... have no clue what you mean lmao
reef tundra
My drawer is a bunch of zsh/bash files that I command
wheat plume
I mean, the discord icon doesnt match the style of the system tray icons
but
its also inside the system tray and not beside it
reef tundra
I disabled most notifications, most of them are useless anyway
crimson wigeon
When I was still using Plasma I skated around this by using the separate notification icon plasmoid
tender sparrow
Only virgins buy Intel
fickle ore
19% productivity 28% gaming increase for 5900X iirc
ashen spindle
no just 19% ipc
fickle ore
Do I really have that bad memory these days
ashen spindle
ipc then translates with clock increases to more than 19% gains sometimes
wraith cove
Its better so buy it thats wot matters
fickle ore
yea avg. 19% ipc gains + few mhz + hardware security hole fixes + new instructions + larger cache ---> 50% in LoL and 46% in CSGO for a 2 CCX product
wraith cove
Def retiring 3900x for the 5900x for csgo jump alone
fickle ore
Not sure you want 5900x for csgo
5800x might be better for csgo with its single CCX, even if it boosts 100 mhz lower
wraith cove
I only play it semicasually and use system mainly for music production. Its a nice workflow boost
Kinda considering 5950x even...but at 799 thats just like...wait for TR get more ram...etc etc territory
wraith cove
Can throw my 8086k laptop out the window if its big enough boost lol
vagrant marsh
jesus christ
helping someone with fixing his problems. A driver causing issues. dumps dont tell which driver specifically
crimson wigeon
At least you're getting dumps
And does putting it into WinDbg give you any more detailed analysis
zenith sonnet
Ouch
crimson wigeon
You haven't missed anything important 😉
zenith sonnet
Guess I'll be getting two 5950X's
harsh grail
can anyone help me fix my keyboard
lol
its worked with gta before perfectly but then i stopped for a while and after a few updates it didnt work anymore
and i got no digital input at all just regular keys
it still has analog working it just doesnt work with gta even after doing everything ive done before
ashen spindle
https://gamepad-tester.com/ do the analog bindings work here
harsh grail
its prob just gta problem but its done this before where it just stops working for gta
1 sec let me see
what does work mean
like the analog works pressure sensitive and stuff
says im pressing right trigger
reef patrol
and i got no digital input at all just regular keys
@harsh grail Umm... Digital IS normal keys. As in regular keyboard keys. 😄
Just making sure we're all on the same page.
harsh grail
ok lol well
i have the touch option on my keyboard
so the pressure sensitive definitly works
ashen spindle
yes, make sure digital input is disabled on the analog profile
ashen spindle
yes you want that disabled
ashen spindle
now it should work (within in the limitations that gta always had)
ashen spindle
well yea thats the point of it, it now only acts as a controller, with the keys mapped to what you assigned in wootility
harsh grail
tthey are assigned
i told u it worked before
all binded to
like w binded to whatever
ashen spindle
yes so if you now press whatever you set to "right trigger" is now only right trigger and not also "w"
if you are in the game you might have to restart it
harsh grail
right trigger
w
is what its binded too
so if i restart game it will start working>
?
ashen spindle
it should
harsh grail
if it does ill be confused cause i could swear i tried it with everything
but i havent restarted it yet
so idk
ashen spindle
yea I had issues with it when I forgot to start it while having the right profile set up
harsh grail
i just find it frustrating every time i stop playing for 2 weeks it stops working
but i came here so lol
still no response
ashen spindle
I mean I doubt they patched the game and removed the option to have it work at all
harsh grail
do u have it set up in gta?
ashen spindle
I had, havent touched the game in forever
cba with all the shit updates and hackers
harsh grail
i will like u if u would try for me
ashen spindle
I dont even have it downloaded
ashen spindle
I played the casino heist with friends when it came out and was done after a couple days when I did all challlenges related to it
btu ye, if you have digital keys off, controllers inputs bound, it /should/ work idk why it doesnt want to
harsh grail
OK MAUBE THIS HELPS
this keyboard
does nothing
not on discord
or naything
when in other mode
if its supposed to then idk
ashen spindle
yes, because digital keys are disabled
thats the way its supposed to work
bc otherwise you would have controller input AND the key you are pressing
so in games like gta that don't like that, you need to do it or it never uses the analog input
harsh grail
hm
ok well
idk why wont work
it has worked before
a while ago
i got the keyboard only 8 months ago
or 9?
idk christmas
ashen spindle
nah it's just that gta sucks in regards to analog support
ashen spindle
I mean it works, but it's always been a bit annoying to have it set up correctly
harsh grail
yeah but i dont mind that slong as it fucking works at all
ashen spindle
try #archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards the supposed place for it, maybe someone else remembers a solution to whatever the issue is
harsh grail
cant seem to find anything from how far i looked anyway
ashen spindle
I meant post your issue there again and wait if someone responds there lol
thick elk
He is really learning the clickbait game, but it's fine because the content is good.
ashen spindle
the more I think about it, the more I'm loving the gpu teaser at the end
not because of the performance of it being good/bad or w/e but bc it is either big navi or not-biggest navi and that means one of the leakers are heavily wrong bc both sides insist they know which one it is
thick elk
I think it's also a clever way to make some noise, telling a little bit and at the same time really nothing at all.
ashen spindle
I think nvidia are also walking in circles losing some hair "is this the best and we got lucky or is this the lower one and we are fucked"
thick elk
I personally think nvidia will still hold the lead, either way it's quite a big step up from rdna1, be it on bigger gpu's but still.
ashen spindle
it's also the first "real" navi
as rdna1 was still 50% gcn
so it should be a nice base that they can work on now
meanwhile people are mad bc they don't use brain
yes, we should totally beat up lisa bc the best product on the market is not 50% cheaper than the competition
crimson wigeon
herpderp
thick elk
It's the fastest cpu on pretty much every front, of course they are going to bump the price vs one that was not.
If intel ever wants to compete or just generally over time the prices will drop. Seems to be AMD's strategy, keep the older stuff around as a more value option.
ashen spindle
like AMD is no charity, we need intel around so amd doesnt become the monopoly, just because since athlon they had to be the budget option, doesn't mean they like that position lol
thick elk
I think architecture wise intel can put up more of a fight than they are doing. They should accept being the budget option and try to undercut amd on pricing in the desktop.
Sadly I doubt Intel wil go that route and will just keep trying to win over OEM's with nice large contracts.
ashen spindle
They won’t because they need the premium look, as right now they are 100% focusing on servers and laptops. On laptop they can compete bc amds refresh cadence on laptop cpus is shifted bc they needed to get ground in desktop first before they could expand
And in server intel is lucky that the market adapts veeeeery slowly
And for now they do have CXL stuff and duh on the horizon with Saphire rapids on 7nn that people are willing to wait for it and not fully ditch them yet
On server side
I actually hope their 7nm stuff works (with the current delayed timeframe) bc then we should have very nice competition that casues prices to be nice and low
zenith sonnet
That GPU shown was competitive with a 3080, which excels at 4K due to memory bandwidth, with presumably simple GDDR6
Gonna be interesting to see full reviews and benchmarks
wheat plume
And now Ladies and Gentlemen, for your viewing pleasure, im going to whip out this gorgeous 6 incher and take you on a full on tour
tech spurt 2020
He stroking his soft 6 incher
wraith cove
The camera holes still 2 big
ashen spindle
ah another weeb adds sarah to a list
wheat plume
I need to take a size comparision of this and my old PC
cause its SOOOOO much bigger lel
and muchhhhhhh better
ashen spindle
that is, in fact, what she said
ashen spindle
@reef patrol give me your opinion on Jim's newest take, no need for reviews if amd just discloses performances gains
reef patrol
No clue. I don't care about press conferences. I care about reviews 
ashen spindle
def a hot take, didn't expect anyone to complain about amd disclosing more info that companies usually do lmao
zenith sonnet
So, AMD achieved all that on the exact same process with the exact same IO dies that Zen 2 used? Makes it even more impressive
And makes sense. With means they've the full team working on a DDR5 IO die for at least a year and a half now?
Seems I was right to buy a good X570 board and B-die sticks last year 😁
pliant shard
intel gladly announced ddr5 before amd
not that it means anything
i think it's just compensating for no pcie 4.0
then again b550 doesn't have 4.0
zenith sonnet
That's, relatively speaking, an even larger aquisition than ARM by Nvidia
cursive summit
What's xilinx?
vagrant marsh
Amd talked about amd product? Nonsense. They should have mentioned the intel i7 11085h kb rrs ea sports cpu more
ashen spindle
seems like people have been talking about it since nvidia entered talks with arm https://amdinvestorblog.com/2020/08/13/august-13-2020-can-should-amd-buy-xilinx/
seems like a good purchase that makes them compete a lot more against intel/nvidia in server space
old marlin
who tf thought it would be a good thing that I can't close this window without living in fear that I reboot a server by clicking it
ashen spindle
lmao that is the most unclear translation they could've chosen
old marlin
idk what the button does
ashen spindle
me neither
old marlin
does it just open the update menu
do I reboot the server
taking down a fileserver for like 20 minutes
yea I can't
it is always on top
can't even get taskmanager in front
the user just has to rely on the window not breaking
nvm
esc closes it
ashen spindle
huh looks like the amd/xilinx deal started being in talks ~2 years ago already
5 years and we got like 0 products from it, gj intel
meanwhile xilinx is up 17% since the news
17% from a story in the making for 2 years leaking out a bit
market makes no sense
meanwhile we might get real big issues in the tech world
APIs might become copyrighted
stupid boomers making laws they dont understand bc the lawyers cant explain it properly ffs
ashen spindle
ahh it's good to know who the biggest intel shill disguising himself as a journalist is
Twitter
makes for good guaranteed comedy every single time amd does something
shadow minnow
And?
You can hit 5.5 ghz with it
You can not with AMD
So this are valuable numbers for people who are gonna OC
ashen spindle
you are completely missing the point
shadow minnow
Only thing is that these numbers do not look legit
cursive summit
So you need to OC to hell to beat Ryzen 5000s stock score?
Assuming it actually is stock?
old marlin
he claims an IPC improvment
of something we haven't heard any performance numbers about
ashen spindle
that guy is the biggest intel shill known to man, this is him assuming intel works perfectly from now on with better results than ever before
shadow minnow
However 10nm superfin is really good. Wondering what performance will alder lake have
shadow minnow
10nm superfin may even very likely be superior to TSMC 7nm
ashen spindle
yeah it's so much better that they can't get it to work for more than 25W laptop chips
if it would be better we would get tigerlake not rocketlake on desktop
cursive summit
Is Tiger Lake big.little?
cursive summit
Is the whole point of big.little jamming low power parts into an LP package?
Or what?
Cheap manufacturing?
shadow minnow
7nm EUV? most likely not
@cursive summit yes. 10nm at it’s own was supposed to have higher density
ashen spindle
mixed ideas, one part is the idea that you don't need a big chip for every single task so you can put lesser tasks on it and have more cores, lower tdp bc the little cores wont need as much power
shadow minnow
10nm superfin is very likely bit better than 7nm EUV. Can not compete with 5 no though
ashen spindle
no they are bringing it to desktop too
shadow minnow
We will see when 8 core tiger lake comes out
ashen spindle
which everyone calls retarded
cursive summit
I don't see Alder Lake competing with AMD Zen 4 on 5nm
ashen spindle
the small cores dont even support AVX512 so the entire cpu cant use it unless you want to use janky software scheduling that could mess it up
cursive summit
Iirc the only 5nm process available is 5nm EUV right? @ashen spindle
shadow minnow
It will be out sooner than zen 4 so maybe can compete with zen 3 but I doubt it will beat zen 4.
The question is if rocket lake s can beat zen 3
cursive summit
It most likely can at least match it
Rocket lake's most likely going to be Intel's 10 series enhanced
Good perf for a good price
ashen spindle
N5 can use EUV on more layers but it is not required
shadow minnow
And tbh, if it beats zen 3 it will be quite impressive as rocket lake uses node lot less dense and lot worse
cursive summit
Intel is prolly really going to rub the price uplift in AMD's face
Uncertain times
ashen spindle
yeah good look rubbing in price uplift if you max out at 8 cores with rocket lake
when you had 10 before
cursive summit
I see Intel doing really well in low power computing, but losing the HPC crown permanently
shadow minnow
Rocket lake’s most likely going to be Intel’s 10 series enhanced
@cursive summit rocket lake going to be tiger lake back port using different arch than comet lake
cursive summit
We'll see AMD dominating desktop and high power laptop, while Intel probably snatches ultrabooks and shit
At least that's the trend we are nearing towards
Which is rather sad tbh
Is there any news on Intel server CPUs? Or did they suicide after 64 core Epyc released?
shadow minnow
I am really not sure what are we going to see. Maybe Intel get’s defeated, maybe they will come with sth like AMD with zen, and maybe ARM will be already taking over CPU market then
cursive summit
I don't see ARM doing jack shit
shadow minnow
I think MacBook Pro 13 using ARM may be most powerful laptop of it’s size
ashen spindle
tbf intel and amd are in about the same position right now in regards to server space
they both have one gen (ice lake/Milan) before the next big thing using CXL interconnects and all that
yeah the arm book will be the best if you make it some 13.539473543 inch size so it's the only one in its size
otherwise lol nop
shadow minnow
It will be. Apple silicon is powerful even in iPad Pro and comparable to many 13” laptops
shadow minnow
In MacBook there will be even more high performance cores
Was discussing bit with reliable leaker and he said new ARM MacBook Pro 13 is going to be lot more powerful than previous ones, even for gaming
ashen spindle
yeah its so powerful apple compared their new ARM cores to 2 gen old stuff bc otherwise it would be single digit improvements
wow
ashen spindle
... yes?
shadow minnow
A13 is already powerful enough
cursive summit
Do they make non-mobile CPUs?
shadow minnow
And A14 is also power usage focused
Do they make non-mobile CPUs?
@cursive summit they are switching from intel in 2 years
cursive summit
I know
ashen spindle
yeah thats why they compared A14 to A12, not becuase it barely changes anyything vs A13
cursive summit
But you expect an A14 Bionic upscaled to be good enough against Ryzen 6000?
ashen spindle
lol nope
cursive summit
"Apple silicon has advantage"
shadow minnow
But I expect it to beat this gen mobile stuff
shadow minnow
Not true
2022 is end of switching
First products coming now or 2021 early
MacBook 13” expected to be first
crimson wigeon
Maybe announced in the upcoming event 
?
shadow minnow
Shitty iPads?
Bruh
even most people who prefer android phones say iPad = best tablet
ashen spindle
but not because of the cpu
cursive summit
That's a weird way to spell Dell XPS 13
shadow minnow
Bruh just stop arguing about things that are obvious
cursive summit
That's also a really weird way to spell Acer Flip and Spin
And an even weirder way to spell Lenovo Yoga
Yeah have fun spending apple tax
cursive summit
I had a look at the pricing and realized I would never buy one
I'll just get a 2-in-1 that's not Apple related
ivory geyser
I wouldnt buy anything from apple even if it was 2x quicker and cheaper than the rest just because it is apple
crimson wigeon
While I will never buy anything Apple I'm definitely curious to see how their more unlocked CPUs fare!
crimson wigeon
yes
old marlin
at least the keyboard is good
urban lynx
^ mac
old marlin
if it is claen
urban lynx
dw, already seeing myself out
misty saffron
tbh people who prefer android tablets have never tried ipads