Especially when you have no clue what you are doing
#🔌│tech
cursive summit
Like me
So fun you spend hours identifying problems, make more in return, and fail the assignment cause "The array wasn't working"
spiral belfry
its php
@wheat plume PHP is bae
halcyon moss
php is 💩
halcyon moss
🔪
reef patrol
Which works in both ways because bae is poop in danish 😛
wheat plume
LEL
halcyon moss
but, tbf, havent touched php in 10ish years
reef patrol
same.
It was all the rage back in the day when WoW was in its prime and everyone used PHPbb and such to have their clan forums and such.
cursive summit
Funniest word I ever heard is poepje
cursive summit
Apparently in dutch calling someone poepje is calling them a "little shit" while also expressing affection
How does that work I have no clue 
wheat plume
omfh
reef patrol
In a nutshell - A way to organise programming applications in a ... err... logical sense.
halcyon moss
model*
reef patrol
Lots of modularity, keeping things separate in layers et cetera.
halcyon moss
i threw most of my study books out, terribly outdated
wheat plume
the word diagram is there so many times, that its not sounding like a real word anymore
and just D I A G R A M at the very top
halcyon moss
everything inherits from diagram
wheat plume
Indeed
halcyon moss
halcyon moss
Not that im aware of, but it completely watchable
i got a download of all stargates, and sure, season 1 - 6 is not HD. but it does just fine
(can't stream it legally anywhere in NL)
wheat plume
when she gives you c# code
doesnt realise its not Java
leaves the call for 5 minutes so you all can run the code and see what it is meant to do
code doesnt run cause its c#
halcyon moss
meh, should be an easy port, as they are the same language :p
wheat plume
c# = microsoft java + too many FUCKIG DATA TYPES
I use MicroBrains IntelliC to code my apps in Java#
plush summit
arm is now shit
because nvidia has decided to take over everything and make linux a pain in the ass
ashen spindle
Join the resistance and use LEG™️ instead! For greater leaps than your arms could ever make!
wheat plume
:')
plush summit
what if i wanna use DIC®
spiral belfry
because nvidia has decided to take over everything and make linux a pain in the ass
@plush summit When wasn't it a pain in the ass?
shadow minnow
Would be interesting to know how would apple and google look today if google did not decide to make android that similar, maybe with help of Schmidt.
The thing is that at first this companies did not see each other as competitors, google founders even wanted Steve Jobs to become CEO, and apple offered google few employees, as Google was at start just software based, and google co founders and Jobs were friends.
cursive summit
What is B460?
Why is B460 being talked about?
Ahh
Intel shit
I thought B450 was refreshed to B460 or something
ashen spindle
That is one part where I don’t like amds decision to just copy the names
Sure call them R3/5/7/9 etc but having sich similar board names ist just unnecessary confusion
But speaking of intel, looks like rocket lake is not coming this year anymore but rather Q2 2021 
Sorry, they said 2020 launch, so Q6 2020 
reef patrol
Intel started that fight iirc.
ashen spindle
I think amd started it with something so intel had to skip a generation to not have the exact same name?
Could be wrong but that’s what I remember
cursive summit
That was AMD stealing from Intel
I mean "stealing" is not really exact
More like "adjusting" their naming scheme to reflect their performance grade
The motherboard naming scheme is a clusterfuck
So are GPUs
ashen spindle
Yes making it easy is fair, trademarks I already posted about it, I like it for their CPU’s, not how they have done it with boards
thick elk
It makes sense from a business perspective. AMD was mostly wiped out from the minds in the cpu space, they needed to have a naming scheme familiar with intel.
ashen spindle
You can make it similar without having it be basically the same so the other one needs to change/skip something
thick elk
$1000 power button, here we go.
reef patrol
shadow minnow
@pale sigil iPad Air 😄
reef patrol
Looking at either an old Mini 2/3 or an iPad Gen 3/4
reef patrol
Sure as heck used to be.
shadow minnow
It is cheaper than pro 😄
thorn latch
pale sigil
oh?
reef patrol
That was a low priority emergency I guess 😄
neat oriole
Just give it a few years callum
reef tundra
rip
reef tundra
Windows?
reef patrol
I -hate- browsing Aliexpress and co.
Actual specs are missing 99% of the time 😄
Refresh rate? Who needs to know that.
And on the few that actually state it... 25ms
urban lynx
i dont think i even took a look at ali express
misty pier
crts make some weird high pitched noise that irritates me
forest sphinx
That viewsonic elite xg 270 is apparently as close to crt as you can get with an ips panel
reef patrol
crt master race
@prisma crag The CRT in my Macintosh Classic is dead. And it makes zero sense to find a working one 😄
crimson wigeon
GaMeRs ChOiCe
reef patrol
Don't mind higher resolutions. But it has to be 4:3 and 8"
Any bigger physically and it wouldn't fit.
iPad LCDs are just a fraction too big (9,7") except for the minis - which have their own issues.
ashen spindle
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-rocket-lake-s-500-series-motherboards-roadmap-leaked anyone waiting for HEDT intel upgrade? Wait a lot longer
Threadripper really caught them offguard if there is nothing till 10nm coming lmao
thick elk
I don't think it's just that they got cought off guard, they simply have nothing they can offer that would be competitive with threadripper.
Only thing they could do is compete on price.
However I do think their actual production costs per cpu are a lot higher as well.
forest sphinx
Yeah cause they do monolith as opposed to chiplet yeah?
thick elk
Also because of the performance per watt of their 14nm process. Sure rocket lake may improve that a bit but end of the day there is only so much power the chips can pull.
ashen spindle
No they 100% got caught off guard, threadripper from my knowledge was an idea one team had randomly like a month before launch and pushed it, so there was literally not even time for it to get leaked to intel as it wasn’t even planned
forest sphinx
Well I mean yeah. They had the lead for so long and they havent used it to really crush amd like they could have
thick elk
First gen threadripper but we are quite some time away from that.
thick elk
They still would have faced the same problem if they did see it comming though
forest sphinx
see you in a few years on that 14nm+++++++++++++++
ashen spindle
Mhh no i think they could’ve at least had a better start to mitigate the impact TR had so it wouldn’t run away like it does now
Don’t think we would see more cores or anything just a better strategy than skylake-X was
wheat plume
https://youtu.be/BcDGVcO_tZU?t=667
enable TRIM for ssd or nah?
reef tundra
It has a lot of notes which pretty much end up as: data loss if done incorrectly
Also not all ssd's support trim..
wheat plume
surely a "gaming" NVME ssd will support it? :P
they actually advertise this ssd for gaming...
reef tundra
My nvme ssd does support it but havent done anything with it.
If bits fail just move on to the unused bits works fine in EEPROM so SSDs should work the same principle or i will call the CEO of SSDs to be angry and tell that EEPROMS are better
lsblk --discard
can be used to check for trim support
if the DISC-GRAN and DISC-MAX are not zero it has trim support
if you force trim on a non-trim device it will work.. just the data will end up missing
If you want maximum performance it is bloat
wheat plume
reef tundra
reef tundra
ISA bus?
wheat plume
no idea what that is
reef tundra
that is 80's 90's era shit
reef tundra
before pcie and pci
wheat plume
do I want to allow it to generate this ?
wheat plume
no idea....
I hit enter at the default options for each thing
they all default to yes except one of them
reef tundra
amd family 17h seems correct atleast. seems to be the amd chipset cpu sensor
wheat plume
yeah
reef tundra
ytop
it has thermal monitoring
and is a tui
oh lol, nvme ssd has a thermal sensor that I can read apparently
wheat plume
this fan speed control arch wiki page is confusing me
reef tundra
using lm-sensors?
reef tundra
is the kernel not handling it correctly already?
wheat plume
fans seem to be running always fast
reef tundra
odd, cpu load in check?
wheat plume
hm?
reef tundra
cpu not at 80% load somehow
reef tundra
how much?
reef tundra
the high usage is from start up and settles to few precents when idling?
wheat plume
moving a windows around makes the cpu spike
reef tundra
doing nothing makes it settle to few precent or not?
reef tundra
ohh ok. mine is at 1% currenly. 0.5% for webcontent ree
That should be normal. What does the CPU sensor read?
maybe the sensor is fucked and reads insane values.. they are resistors afterall (cheapos atleas)
wheat plume
I added a lil cpu usage widget
playing youtube video in chrome and typing this, it getrs to 12%
reef tundra
I dont track it other than having ytop on one of my monitors
wheat plume
ytop
reef tundra
yes
wheat plume
wow
reef tundra
top is an old one
pretty much process handling (killing, freezing, viewing)
htop added more functions
oh ytop got deprecated last month
wheat plume
It stays on this screen for almost a minute sometimes when I shut down the computer
ashen spindle
try removing that thing it mentions on the screen, "arch" sounds like maleware 
reef tundra
That means that it expects an interrupt handler but none was given
reef tundra
interrupts are pretty much: drop everything and do this now. context switch even outside the OS systicks
atleast if they are hardware interrupts
software can be more nicer by waiting for a systick
It also allows for Priority Inversion which is even more of a headache
wheat plume
so what can I do to make it shut down as fast as possible?
wheat plume
the last line says something about the nvme drive
ashen spindle
shutdown -h now maybe?
reef tundra
I use sudo runit-init 0
ashen spindle
actually dont know what -h does I just know it shuts down my vm and thats what I need lul
reef tundra
or dmenu which i have a script for the handle the shutdown, reboot, sleep,lock etc
wheat plume
I put the application style back to breeze but its still using kvantum
reef tundra
ashen spindle
guess im doing the right thing and not causing any damage with what im doing then :p
reef tundra
shutdown does its job by signalling the init process, asking it to change the runlevel. Runlevel 0 is used to halt the system, runlevel 6 is used to reboot the system, and runlevel 1 is used to put the system into a state where administrative tasks can be performed (single-user mode). Runlevel 1 is the default, unless the -h or -r options are specified.
it pretty much goes past the init process and completely kills and shutdowns the system itself
ashen spindle
yup sounds like what I want
reef tundra
it pretty much forces all cpu instructions to stop
forced stop
Good for administrative control. when you want to show who owns the os
wheat plume
So sometimes
For no reason
This os tells it to go into run level 1 when you tell it to shut down?
And that's why it waits there for a minute or so
reef tundra
It tells systemD to shutdown by signalling
but systemd is too busy with making security risks to notice
reef patrol
Huehuehue... MSI scalping consumers 😄
old marlin
what do they do now
reef patrol
Subsidiaries are by definition part of the main company 😛
And they were given access to MSIs main stock.
reef tundra
Not enough shell companies used then.. shame on you MSI. get more legal fuckerery to avoid this
reef patrol
pliant shard
then again leave it to the chinese to try to scam an extra $1500?
reef patrol
MSI are Taiwanese.
thick elk
MSI is free to sell the cards at whatever price they want, I really don't mind this practice personally.
pliant shard
taiwan, you mean china?
reef patrol
I mean Taiwan. :3
thick elk
Republic of china
pliant shard
there's something that handles the pricing
i don't think they just go off of demand
because if they did all the 3080s would be going for over a thousand dollars
and they'd still be bought out
reef patrol
MSI is free to sell the cards at whatever price they want, I really don't mind this practice personally.
@thick elk Sure. The real trouble is that the subsidiary were basically leeching off of stock going to suppliers who already had orders going.
reef tundra
No.. you confuse the legal system enough that the original owner gets obscured enough that you cannot link them together definitatively but the money wont care. it will go to the obscured client. Saves on taxes and lawsuits
thick elk
That's fair, taking away from already placed orders is bad.
reef patrol
Still waiting for an actual confirmation of my TUF order. Apparently the backorders are in the couple thousands here.
thick elk
If however they decided, from the getgo, you know what let's just sell our cards for $1000 in the at launch I would be fine with that.
reef patrol
I definitely wouldn't have 😄
pliant shard
for each 3080 to have been purchased by someone, with zero backorder
reef patrol
I paid roughly 900$ - MSRP for the FE.
pliant shard
i didn't want to wait but now i'm waiting for whatever amd manages to shit out
sounds like you're a yuro
reef patrol
Yup.
pliant shard
you know
it's funny
i can get a 3900 hundreds cheaper than you guys
but if i want to have that hosted in a server in a datacenter
it's like 200% more expensive in murica
shame really
reef patrol
Socialism isn't cheap, comrade 😄
reef tundra
While the hardworking laborour is working without his graphic cards the bots are buying all the cards for just being lucky to have his 82381th preorder request accepted before the working plebs can even blink!
thick elk
Pirces in europe for cpu's are not that bad, at least were I live, it's just that 21% vat does make it more expensive.
pliant shard
i don't want to colocate
frankly i only need a handful of really powerful cores at any given moment
so i don't mind all the fuckery that comes with the gray area between a vps and dedicated server
reef tundra
Lets annex some factory while reading das kapital with the bro's
reef patrol
Anti botting has begun for real here. They're limiting orders, and cancelling orders with multiple orders for the same address. 😄
pliant shard
networking is just expensive here
electricity doesn't come cheap either
commiefornia
15 cents a kwh
reef tundra
(North?) Germany has to pay sometimes to deliver their power, if i remember
reef tundra
most of it is taxes lol
companies do have to pay for apparent power, while consumers dont
Lets nuke reno to see if nuclear physics still work
just like i test gravity sometimes
pliant shard
thick elk
Anyway low taxes on power usage is one reason there are a lot of datacenters in the Netherlands.
pliant shard
us govt loves wasting money
reef tundra
mental basin
It’s crazy when a company gets caught accidentally like this
It almost never happens
These news are honestly so spicy and fun
So many pissed 3080 enthusiasts about to rise up
pliant shard
i think there's some projecting in there
mostly people who couldn't buy the 3080 or amd buttfuckers
mental basin
Probly
crimson wigeon
Of course, there's profit to be made when people are willing to pay scalper prices for some reason
cursive summit
misty saffron
why did the playstation logo sneeze
sigh
i get a feeling the s in ps5 stands for ssd
thick elk
Don't worry about that, by the end of the generation it will just be one indie title.
reef tundra
"We like python"
old marlin
yea can see the PS5 pro with 2TB of storage
at least the series X has expandable storage
ashen spindle
.. you know you can use normal ssds they vetted in the ps5?
ashen spindle
you can upgrade the ps5 storage
ashen spindle
yes, you dont replace it, you can add one
old marlin
where
old marlin
PS5 storage will be expandable with off-the-shelf SSD
But these will need to be PCIe 4.0 SSDs and be certified by Sony
ashen spindle
yes
old marlin
so effectively no price difference
ashen spindle
that is all information we got in march from the first tech talk already
old marlin
prices for xbox storage have been reasonable
actually
a bit more expensive than usual
but not extremely
also when will people get that it is not just about cpu power or TFLOPS
ashen spindle
if it were a normal ssd maybe, a mass produced product fit for one thing? idk I feel like they should've been able to get that cheaper
old marlin
ashen spindle
yeah gl with that
pale sigil
Like?
pale sigil
It aims to focus on 1440p which imo is a sweet spot
pale sigil
If what they claim is true it’s great
old marlin
1440p is never GPU bound?
pale sigil
It’s great
old marlin
series X is the better model
ashen spindle
callum did you forget to scroll down chat or something
old marlin
hardware wise
pale sigil
Forget no? Didn’t bother? Yes
old marlin
ashen spindle
also lul @reef patrol we might make fun of matt but this is still good content https://twitter.com/MConnatserAPC/status/1313851767055093761
reef patrol
cursive summit
Hey I got a chuckle out of it
But no way in a million years Intel employees would miss out on saying one of the coolest words in english vocabulary
"Confidential"
reef tundra
One way to confirm a rumour
cursive summit
I feel like it's a privilege to be able to say "Intel confidential"
reef tundra
Intel's sneaky sneak
cursive summit
Intel to Rehash CES 2020 Presentation in January, Replace Mentions of Tiger Lake with Alder Lake?
Tiger Lake DoA?
Bruh
old marlin
reef tundra
Some rat
reef tundra
He will scurrie away with intel's Secret™️
old marlin
fab and development does not call out leaks on twitter via mail
reef tundra
Currently calling the customers of the microsoft technical support
ashen spindle
no but they definitely have security people also in those places
old marlin
reef patrol
Taking bets - Crappy OEM components again? 😄
old marlin
100%
reef tundra
When nzxt gonna give that free pc to twomad
reef patrol
I wish some of the other manufacturers would copy it without the proprietary connectors.
Just to shut them up 😄
ashen spindle
releasing intel systems the day before AMD's next launch
reef patrol
When nzxt gonna give that free pc to twomad
@reef tundra He has two or more systems. I doubt he needs more 😛
reef tundra
But it broken
reef patrol
"broken"
reef patrol
The dude is about as IT literate as a boomer 😄
It's probably a really simple thing.
Besides - Linus gave him a swanky new pc
old marlin
reef tundra
dude, that aint the boomer mentality luke smith instilled
misty saffron
what the fuck
reef tundra
holes == better
old marlin
yae
misty saffron
sounds very reliable
old marlin
no holes = no cooling at all
ashen spindle
I mean its just a 3d render not necessarily an actual product
old marlin
not like passively cooling with aluminum chunks is already not so great
for high end boards
reef tundra
If there is a hole it means they removed the useless material
misty saffron
weird how they are so proud of cam
old marlin
the renders with covers have holes
misty saffron
their software is a joke
reef patrol
Howso?
old marlin
230 USD msrp
reef tundra
not even stuffed with usb ports
misty saffron
3 usb 3 ports
chrome estuary
What the fuck. I've got like 6 USB3 ports. Two 3.1 and I think 2 usb 2
misty saffron
great motherboard
reef patrol
Who needs that much USB. Honestly xD
reef tundra
also why the usb-c port so exposed?
misty saffron
i got like 8 ports total and they're all used
old marlin
I have 4-5 ports in use pretty much all the time
chrome estuary
Yep
reef tundra
seems like they just did that last second or the cnc router fucked up
misty saffron
or usb-c was an afterthought
reef patrol
yeah it's cheaper to just make A-holes 😂
@digital cliff Most likely just a re-used plate from another board from the OEM.
wheat plume
Besides - Linus gave him a swanky new pc
@reef patrol worse PC than the one he had already :')
reef tundra
But that would be intelectual property theft
old marlin
at that pricepoint
reef patrol
I assume Linus fixed up his existing PC.
wheat plume
he might have later but not in the video
old marlin
you can get this
or this
for an IO
completely disregarding the whoel rest of the board
reef patrol
That's like... three times more USB than I need 😄
thick elk
I always think in lines of motherboards I buy for work. here it's 3 display connectors or a big fat nope from me.
old marlin
?
reef tundra
They be saving bank by skimming on the connectors costing like 10-15 cents
old marlin
why do you want 3 display connectors on a high end plattform
fair gull
i have heard the n7 z490 only as 4layer pcb
thick elk
It's just what my mind jumps to, of course you don't need them on high end z490 mobo's
reef tundra
CPU can create a kernelmode buffer to create graphics.. or the internal gpu
old marlin
The N7 Z490 includes WiFi 6 connectivity and utilizes all PCI express lanes available from the CPU and chipset so everything works as intended.
wat
reef patrol
reef tundra
Imagine using all 60 lanes
fair gull
for wifi
reef tundra
from the cpu alone
old marlin
that is weird
thick elk
However shit CAM may be, I am sure Gigabyte makes worse software.
reef patrol
Oh yeah. CAM is bounds better than mobo software.
old marlin
ehhhhhh
reef tundra
chipset makes their own pcie lanes from the lanes it has to the cpu
misty saffron
cam is required if you have nzxt hardware though
old marlin
CAM is a huge pile of dogshit
misty saffron
well, for aios at least
old marlin
but asus has that extra spice
old marlin
to make software as bad as humanly possible
reef patrol
CAM is a huge pile of dogshit
@old marlin Which says more about the mobo manufacturer software than NZXT.
misty saffron
motherboard software is barely used
misty saffron
did they pick the worst asrock motherboard as a base or what
reef tundra
Why they be hating on cam. I like my cam shaft in the car makes it go foward
misty saffron
asrock has decent motherboards
misty saffron
but this looks like shit
fair gull
its a modified asrock/asus layout so u dont instantly feel like its asus/asrock
old marlin
to be worse than CAM you have to either be fundamentally broken
or just be COMPLETE dogshit
reef tundra
Like intel
fair gull
have u seen the code i write yama
reef tundra
fair gull
thick elk
Gigabyte software simply will not work for anyone at some point.
Their rgb software got a weird random downgrade. Sure it doesnt kill your cpu but it certainly is very bad.
fair gull
Although the N7 Z490 is NZXT's latest motherboard on the market, the ASRock OEM does the heavy lifting regarding the firmware, with all the hallmarks of an ASRock BIOS, with a custom NZXT GUI. The interface includes a black background with grey and white text, with some vibrant purple accentuation.
Yes the goto is my favorite command, it makes my dogshit coding working
fair gull
and shitty layout
reef tundra
and second-hand drivers from greg the crackhead
misty saffron
reef tundra
muh custumisation
misty saffron
this is exactly how much ram software needs to control fan rpms
anything lower is impossible
fair gull
looks like a nice electron app
crimson wigeon
BuT uNuSeD rAm Is WaStEd RaM
reef tundra
Mesa happy with my msi. many zoomies it gives, joy i have
old marlin
Lol
reef patrol
No issues with my MSI either...but I mean... I didn't exactly pick it.
fair gull
@crimson wigeon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNxPVj0hejg
old marlin
Windows memory allocation is a weird beast
fair gull
idk works fine with c
reef tundra
I choose my mobo cus the socket matched and it is white
misty saffron
200 fucking megabytes for fan speed software
crimson wigeon
Hot take all these "fan control RGB OOOH" softwares are dogshit change my mind
misty saffron
meanwhile fl studio: https://up.hw.gl/8lGV5A1Cqk.png
old marlin
Allocated ram is not wasted tam
fair gull
like if theyd just write software in c,c++ or c# even
the ram management would be tons better
reef tundra
Discord: succccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc memory
reef tundra
Because it is a chrome tab
fair gull
thats why chrome, electron and chromium suck
fair gull
just write a good piece of software insteadof just using webbrowser to render them
misty saffron
like fuck, if you REALLY want your app to be a web page
use some lightweight chromium-based library
fair gull
doesnt exist lol
crimson wigeon
Lightweight and Chromium don't go together
misty saffron
pretty sure there was one
reef tundra
Chromium is performant due to its heavyweight
fair gull
u could use node-canvas and handlebars tho
thick elk
Anyway RGB-Fusion 2.0 is absolute garbage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMdOpp1pZus
fair gull
to render webpages locally
misty saffron
do you need performance for a web page with buttons lol
reef tundra
just disable javascript it is a dissapointment to its parents anyway
reef tundra
Most recent windows remote code execution used javascript to work
lel
affected even 2003 server
misty saffron
its more the scriptkiddies ruining it
@fair gull what do you mean you don't need a library that compares strings???
old marlin
People haven't aeen the worst yet though lol
misty saffron
fair gull
yes
cause its easier to replace a module with exported interfaces
that changes what "equal" means
old marlin
Alphacool fancontroller
fair gull
than rewriting all equality checks
reef tundra
Morty nuke us all mortis we need to die mortis
misty saffron
88k downloads definitely suggests it's not just enterprise code though
reef tundra
Just compare the pointers and return true or false based on that
fair gull
its used by some enterprise grade packages
old marlin
Only controllable with an app i would have expected as a result from a middleschool project
fair gull
each dependencies is a new download
since the module recursively installs needed modules
thick elk
The issue for me with all those modules is that you suddenly add a lot of points of failure / potential issues.
fair gull
i mean worse yet is this languaged called PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor
reef tundra
Job assurance
fair gull
i hate php
but i have to use it
and usually i just abuse it to include headers in all webpages
reef tundra
and php hates you back sweety :)
old marlin
@fair gull my brother still has that alphacool fancontroller
fair gull
poor soul
reef tundra
Good job, better than php/html soup
old marlin
Seen the app?
fair gull
i really wanna convert to razor/asp.net
old marlin
But with a slider
fair gull
the slider makes it a controller
reef tundra
Use c instead its like assembly but doesnt want to seppaku immiatly
reef tundra
C
fair gull
i built a webpanel in it
and it works
plus in c its way too much work to build a webserver being able to run on any os
fair gull
i need a website tho
reef tundra
R
fair gull
U
reef tundra
G
fair gull
G
reef tundra
N
fair gull
I
reef tundra
G
fair gull
G
reef tundra
E
fair gull
Arrrrr!
reef tundra
you ready kids!?
old marlin
fair gull
reef tundra
misty saffron
i don't know why but whenever somebody spells a word with 1 letter messages i always expect that word
reef tundra
Which word?
We were just yelling letters
these are not the words you are looking for
misty saffron
ah mb
reef tundra
Are U good game ni🅱🅱a arrrrrrrr?
fair gull
yes this is a christian minecraft server
reef tundra
We have an admin and they are not afraid to use /tellraw to fake ban you
proceeds to burn the cross
We needed some room for our jesus statue
wheat plume
vatican MC server??!!
reef tundra
By the grace of god
wheat plume
when building an AUR package....
thick elk
Imagine using gentoo
ashen spindle
sounds like linux
thick elk
Normally the vast majority of packages are precompiled, on Gentoo you need to build almost everything from source.
Nice and all that you can change a lot of compilation flags and optimizations but not something for normal desktop use.
Interestingly enough Chrome-OS is build on gentoo, making gentoo the most popular distro in desktop space.
halcyon moss
Runnig gentoo for a while teaches you alot about linux systems.
Never again will i run gentoo :p
Just plain Ubuntu will do just fine
thick elk
I installed it once but never really used it, compiling was just too much a hassle, Also wanted to run systemd for some reason (not fun either)
On gentoo that is
wheat plume
sounds like linux
@ashen spindle sounds like Gentoo
reef tundra
The aur also builds from source often
reef tundra
The aur is pretty much a file that tells where to download and compile the package.
ashen spindle
yeah I just stick with ubunut, my stuff runs on it, the VM runs fine and I can easily google commands I need and find results lmao
thick elk
For a lot of packages there are also binaries.
thick elk
I usually just grab binaries if they are available even on aur.
reef tundra
That is litterly what the buildfile automates
you can even add non-packages to the pacman
tawny prism
reef tundra
allows you to manage it more easyly
tawny prism
Craigslist is sort of badass sometimes
thick elk
I created my own PKGBUILD once or twice, never added it to AUR though.
ashen spindle
nice, what socket is that
thick elk
For binaries it still can automatically get the latest version which is still nice.
reef tundra
Seems server grade pcb
tawny prism
2011-V2
reef tundra
rip the xeon pentium
tawny prism
I'm building it as a workstation.
reef tundra
Xeons are a meme btw. pretty much aliexpress and fanboys thinking that xeon is always better than amd cus amd sux loll. ending up with some out of date xeon pentium from 2005 with no level 3 cache and burning cpu
tawny prism
Eh, Sandy Bridge are still pretty competitive
For gaming I've seen some correlation with that, the 2009~2011 Westmere/Nahalem (x5000 etc) chips hit the point where they're bottlenecks on anything over an RTX1660
So sadly they're in the "I guess they'll be a good match for someone to browse Facebook" category of salvage
reef tundra
Some games are more cpu bound than others. and some dont even multithread/multicore so for those game single core performance is all that matters. Servers love more cores as that means more connections at the same time
tawny prism
The real advantage to Xeons is if you have the chops for it they're ludicrously cheap.
reef tundra
cus you can write them off in one year
tawny prism
And E-recycling. Server farms dump CPUs and memory by the truckload. Universities do the same with Workstations from HP, Lenovo, and Dell
reef tundra
Because they are on paper worth 0 within a year
so why not sell them and make infinite more money than they are worth on paper
tawny prism
Less than nothing, it costs more to run them watt-to-cycle wise than the new shit so you lose money keeping them.
Also they don't even sell them, they pay people to take them with stuff like toner cartridges and batteries and write it off as e-waste.
reef tundra
That is the variable cost, depreciation applies to the base 'fixed' costs
tawny prism
And then someone with a warehouse stockpiles it and makes more money selling it for cheap as hell, and someone like me repurposes it
reef tundra
Technically the computer of one year old contributes 0dollars to the company value
tawny prism
Oh yeah, that
reef tundra
yea, the depriciation
tax write off
which is one year
doubt that servers are updated && upgraded yearly
tawny prism
But yeah, I've been getting people into t5610's for schooling and working from home for 120~200$ and still making 20$/hr after for what I put into them after material
Saves them 400$ on an i3 rig from best buy for a machine that runs better
urban lynx
guy that repaired windshield damage on my moms car wanted to convince her that her wipers needed replacement.
bitch, i replaced those myself 2 months ago when i drove it.
reef tundra
They wipe => they work
urban lynx
it was raining today
even my mom said she didnt have any issues with them while driving there
guy also said he "disinfected all surfaces he touched"
as he just got out of the car literal seconds after he parked it outside the garage.
reef tundra
*with wd-40
urban lynx
i mean my mom dont really care about that disinfection of the surface stuff
but still really bold of him.
reef tundra
Garages are known to be scummy
urban lynx
guy literally just had like two containers welded together on a parking lot
and is part of some big "chain" for window damage repairs
he also only found one of the two damaged spots on the windshield.
reef tundra
Small cracks can be filled with some resin large ones need the whole windshild to be replaced
and the front windshield is removable by using the legs and pushing from the inside
pops right out
broken but doesnt need heavy machinery
urban lynx
yeah it's one of these resin services
reef tundra
Thats just a fill and fine sandpaper job
urban lynx
yeah it took like half an hour
me and my mom went into some clothing store in the meantime
crimson wigeon
autoglass repair, autoglass replace
urban lynx
carglass, yeah
reef tundra
Hardest part is getting the resin in the first place. the stuff itself is just pour, UV lamp/heat and sand it down untill flat and sanding is too fine to see
urban lynx
you can still kind of see where the damage on the windshield was
but as long as it gets my moms car through the inspection on friday, all is good. i guess.
reef tundra
Because they dont care often enough to put a vacuum or pressure on it so bubbles and uneven finish is to be expected. Plus the glass and resin have a slghtly different reflactory index so edges will be hard to make invisible
The most important fact is if it will hold like the old glass would and not crack further acting as nucleation site
urban lynx
¯_(ツ)_/¯
it's my mom cars to be fair
so i dont really care that much
i probably would look into a replacement windshield first before
but i assume those are super expensive to a degree
reef tundra
They expensive
Its custom large multilayered glass,polymer,fiber,etc part. That is never cheap
Also good to know is that the door windows are made differently compared to the windshield and have their weakspot on the edges. Hardend glass is known to shadder spotaniously when the edge is just slightly touched.
urban lynx
my front windshield window glass apparently is about 220€
ashen spindle
tomorrow not today for ryzen
ashen spindle
idk
ashen spindle
you want them to hold an announcement nobody knows of so everyone misses it? 
pliant shard
nah i just think it's hilarious
crimson wigeon
Can't wait to see how much they're gonna talk about the competition
pliant shard
and i'm mostly talking about the entire sequence before this
fuckin lighting up r*ddit
ashen spindle
I mean, not as bad as nvidia with their 21 days thing
pliant shard
i dunno. hard to beat the uh
ashen spindle
I really dont care about reddit posts, I go to reddit to make fun of people using reddit if at all
ashen spindle
oh yeah in the past they were definitely worse, "poor volta" "jebaited" etc.
pliant shard
the product should speak for itself
ashen spindle
as much as I'd like to see 0 marketing, I can understand them needing to have it to sell stuff :p
and so far I'd say amd did the least marketing while probably having the best products out of the big 3 lul
pliant shard
eh it's mostly the fault of the consumer that companies spend so much on marketing
wow linus lied to us about the 3090 being a gaming gpu!
ashen spindle
like intel just "announced" rocket lake a day before zen3 release despite it coming Q2 2021
I'd say amd telling you a month early that they will show zen3 is quite tame in comparison there
pliant shard
what's the last hurdle for ryzen
uncore clock?
i'd like to use some 4000+ mt ram without getting punished for it
ashen spindle
well we will see higher IF clocks
thick elk
Latency is the biggest weakpoint in general
zen 2 helped here with more cache but gaming is generally a very latency sensitive application.
So lower latency higher clock speed should be the key.
Higher IF clocks would help here
unified CCX also helps
ashen spindle
we will see lower latency, but we will need to wait to zen4 for really low latency, when they supposedly go to a monolithic design for non server market again
also, relevant article : https://www.anandtech.com/show/16143/insights-into-ddr5-subtimings-and-latencies
thick elk
yea latency has been pretty much constent for quite some time
ashen spindle
compare the latencies, you only actually get more from higher clocks if you get tight timings with it
pliant shard
would be nice for ddr5 to come out already
thick elk
Not really prices go up, early ddr5 will not have much of an advantage
ashen spindle
same again, read the article and look at ddr5 latencies :p
for gaming it wont change anything for a while
other applications that use actual transfer bandwidth sure
thick elk
It will help with gaming (on a IGP)
ashen spindle
:p fair point I guess
wait lmao is this for real
the rocket lake announcement isnt even on an intel site, its a medium post
LMAO
3/4 marketing fluff and one sentence of info
wow
crimson wigeon
Sounds about right
pliant shard
commitment to gaming
ashen spindle
I mean, I guess intel really is cutting costs if they cant host a page long pdf announcing a product on their own site anymore
pliant shard
oh no no no no no no
thick elk
That Avengers contract really hurt them financially.
ashen spindle
lmao
pliant shard
i've read parking tickets more interesting than that
reef tundra
Hello, we intel, giv money
pale sigil
I know what I’m getting
pale sigil
Ye 😦
reef patrol
ashen spindle
but that means you wouldn't get your card till like mid/end of november at least
bc my current plan is getting an amd one if nothing major is wrong with it
reef patrol
My watercooling stuff for it ships late Oct, so... Nov isn't far off from being able to use it anyhow 😄
ashen spindle
ah, here we have close up views of that nzxt motherboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dr3HkdPLgc
urban lynx
so the advanced ones of the nvidia 30xx series comes end of this year?
reef patrol
Maybe - I kind of doubt it.
Same chip, just more VRAM
So they'd be cutting into existing products.
urban lynx
i need new gpu for cp77 though 
ashen spindle
do you need it for launch or for when it's playable
reef patrol
Don't we all. If I get a confirmation for my order before it comes out, I'll definitely shelf the game till then.
Might as well see RTX for real 😄
ashen spindle
it's also more of a "we got the bigger schlong" move since AMD is supposedly having 16GB variants
the 20gb is barely mattering for games, unless you do like heavy skyrim modding
pale sigil
I just want DLSS 😦
Which is why I’m very no going to AMD
I’d only go amd if it’s significant
urban lynx
i kinda wanna play right from launch
the only bug i ever caught upon a game launch was doc mitchells exorcism move
ashen spindle
yeah I'd prefer non-proprietary upscaling over dlss trying to sell you something(that is still cool), as the second coming of cuda cores
then I take it you didn't play witcher 3 sarah lul
pale sigil
If I can get higher FPS without losing noticeable quality am happy
pale sigil
I almost avoid all game launches now
pale sigil
It wasn’t actually me this time
ashen spindle
pale sigil
I think mansen is trying to have his channel dominate
reef patrol
pale sigil
ashen spindle
I'm fine with this :p
reef patrol
wheat plume
I downloaded the latest bios, I assume its not the version I have already? im not too sure what version bios I have
oh shit
thats the bios for the model without wifi, need to get the right one
reef patrol
Fascinating... Had issues with my internet stalling for a few seconds constantly. Figured it was a cat vs cable thing.
Changed from Google to Cloudflare DNS last night... gone!
wheat plume
Should I increase the voltage to ram? Cause I set it to run at 3200MHz
ashen spindle
does it run without changing it
you got 3200 ram right?
so just enable the xmp profile
wheat plume
How
ashen spindle
in the bios
ashen spindle
look for it idk
sick urchin
XMP might be called AMP on amd boards
ashen spindle
dont use the search funktion and look with your eyes
wheat plume
APM?
ashen spindle
urghh ofc they need to constantly change the names
thick elk
Could be some big outage somewhere in the network infrastructure (mostly ddos attacks)
Chaging to another dns provider can help here because dns traffic is routed differently.
I have seen the same in the past.
reef patrol
In my case it seems a bit unlikely, since we're talking like a year at this point 😄
crisp granite
what gpu is that?
fair gull
2070 super
crisp granite
noice
fair gull
this was build when rtx 30 was still rumors
reef patrol
Not bad. Using a 240 rad looks a bit silly in the Dynamic though 😄
fair gull
ik but that was their choice
reef patrol
Also... clearly visible corsair sticker in the front
fair gull
cant remove shit from rads
thick elk
No intake fans?
fair gull
and cramming it in to the left was weird
reef patrol
It's a sticker. I mean...you literally CAN 😄
fair gull
no company policy
fair gull
im only allowed to peel of the plastic stuff
fair gull
well its not about voiding the wareanty
BUT we did have some nut cases that complained about stickers not being in the expected locations
old marlin
prob more about permanently altering the product?
fair gull
so we just arent allowed to move them
@old marlin more or less
its basically some idiots ruining it for everyone else
old marlin
have a friend that works at a retailer in paris and does a lot of builds for customers
the choices some people make 
fair gull
well i have to fix tons of builds before even making an offer
old marlin
liek specifically asking to put their air cooled gpu in a vertical slot
choking it at the glass panel
fair gull
usually wrong fan combinations with corsair hubs and shit
old marlin
lol
fair gull
thats what i get to fix
thick elk
Well consider this, if you can't manage to build your own pc, you are probably also not very good at picking the parts.
old marlin
yea
fair gull
also i dread custom builds cause most come here with a config made on the mifcom website
fair gull
some are so "smart" they crop out the top and bottom
old marlin
LDLC has an online configurator at least
thick elk
In this particular case not adding aditional case fans is pretty questionable.
old marlin
and even good powerupllies
ashen spindle
wonder how fast you would've fixed the error with my build when I build it first, the cpu died on me on day one
fair gull
mifcom also has a configurator but its shit
while it makes the coolers and psus fit
it doesnt even know how many fans fit in a case
old marlin
was pretty surprised to find out that they went to seasonic to get powersupplies and offer basically only those in their prebuilts
just so people don't get shit psus
fair gull
someone wanted 12fans in a 6fan case
old marlin
thick elk
fan stacking is fun
fair gull
how the shit would i do that?
old marlin
just put 2 on every slot
fair gull
double team em?
old marlin
yes
old marlin