when it's mass produced in gigantic margins so it should be a lot cheaper?
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
- you can then resell the games since the x has a disk etc.
cant really count a samsung price lmao that's like 30% brand tax
ashen spindle
ok but also absolutely irrelevant in the topic bc its pcie3?
idk, think china started that? prices are going down regardless still so didnt really follow it
doubt it, it's just at the size where it takes forever
nobody said xbox is expensive?
I'm laughing at the price for the storage upgrade
comparing it to samsung prices is like me complaining about a phone and you compare it to apple prices
nope
yes
sony barely does it, you need an ssd that is having high enough speeds and they are testing them to work with it
karmic imp
I'm pretty sure that's the whole point.
I don't think they're going to make the Android mistake, especially not with how much shared code the XBox and Windows have
ashen spindle
feel like if they have ones form that long ago thats not really a lot of cases
<300 lawsuits over 25 years? idk sounds not crazy to me
and the page lists settled/closed ones if you dont filter etc.
idk if they commented about storage for non games
did they confirm that?
ok don't answer then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ok so why suddenly assume either one then xD
for games
karmic imp
Also just thought I'd post this here because ZSA is an awesome company.
I launched an inquiry about possibly releasing the files for the ErgoDox EZ (that was before I knew of the Moonlander) if the company went down.
CEO himself answered, confirmed that all files for all products would be released if the company went down, and as a sign of intent also sent me the STL files for the Ergodox EZ.
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/AzorFrank/status/1309135810495684613 
guess AMD is also enjoying the rtx launch
Twitter
crimson wigeon
Can't wait to see if these tweets are going to age like milk
ashen spindle
ye...I hope not and dont think so
but who knows, amd in the last years were the best at shooting themselves in the foot
zenith sonnet
Frank again talking about how they try to make sure there will be stock
I mean, they could technically have millions of dies in stock
They've already made what, over 25 million XBOX and PS5 chips?
old marlin
how many XBOX are planned to be made?
cursive summit
PS5 is roughly 10-15 mil, so I am guessing around the same
old marlin
PS5 count got cut to 11M iirc
cursive summit
They denied those rumours
old marlin
from originally 15M planned
cursive summit
But who knows
Sony's saying "Everything is fine boys, the yields are doing just fine!"
7nm isn't failproof for now so yeah, some chips get ruined
old marlin
obv
cursive summit
But I do think they have at least several hundred k cards prepared
And I'd guess a million or so Zen3 chips
vagrant marsh
alright u guys. buy a poco x3.
cursive summit
I will
vagrant marsh
lets start a smartphone revolution. we want cheaper phones. we dont want 2 apples ruling the top
and the poco x3 is alot of phone for a very cheap price
cursive summit
zenith sonnet
Considering the 3950K sold 100k units worldwide in the first month
They probably have closer to 10 million chips total
cursive summit
What the hell is shadow gray? 😄
I kinda wanted that cool blue one
@vagrant marsh
vagrant marsh
hmm?
cursive summit
Is it possible to disassemble the phone and replace the battery?
vagrant marsh
maybe with a professional kit
cursive summit
If the phone provides that capability, I am all in for at least half a decade
I have a soldering pistol
vagrant marsh
i did that with my lumia 720 once. the screen was stuck on the phone with double sided tape or something. had to heat up the phone. did that with a hair dryer
cursive summit
What are we trying to melt here?
cursive summit
Why? 
vagrant marsh
just hold it at a slightly longer distance
to make the glue soft
most screens are stuck with glue
cursive summit
Didn't they stop gluing phones?
vagrant marsh
i dunno
vagrant marsh
which self respecting phone has the ability to take off the back nowadays
well. the nokia 3310 maybe
XD
cursive summit
Don't disrespect The Brick
vagrant marsh
i wouldnt dare
reef tundra
freezing the glue would also work for some. It makes the glue non-stick when too cold
li-ion batteries are not that happy with freezing temperatures though
some people have used lasers to burn off the glue
but what can a 10k laser not solve?
And they are not going out of this life without blasting the world to hell
Got some li-ion 18650 batteries lying around
mmmm
angry chemisty it is
reef tundra
car battery is too much
12v
needs a stepdown converter
That is 972*48=46.6kWh
mmm
a lot
Imagine all that enegry being released at once
That would last like 10 years
asuming daily charge/discharge cycle
hissssssssssss
oh right, lead acids have acid to keep level
li-ion works or burns down
no inbetween
Anger bois
sometimes turning to flamethrowers
vagrant marsh
any1 here maybe knows how to get rid of onedrive completely? i removed it, registry and all, but some games still continue creating a map called onedrive and put their savegames there
reef tundra
Atleast it wont update mid presentation lol
wheat plume
windows has turned into an abusive spouse at this point
@prisma crag FUCKING YEAH :')
wheat plume
xd
vagrant marsh
appearently, windows register had all the default paths for folders set to onedrive
sooooo, i simply removed onedrive from all the paths. restarted the pc. and apperently it did the job
well, the fix i googled said only to do it for the register called Personal, but i saw alot of stuff redirected to onedrive, so i removed onedrive from every register
shadow minnow
Twitter
ashen spindle
nope, doing that is post-damage damage control, it would just make it a bit better rather than purposefully misleading
shadow minnow
But better is still better than not better at all
ashen spindle
it's still marketed as a gaming card, they are not going to rename it
so yes, adding workstation support should happen and would be nice
but unless they also rename it and market it as an actual titan, it's still something to be critical of
especially with sudden 8k marketing the day before release
shadow minnow
The thing is that they told it is for titan users, while it does not have titan drivers that many people could have been expecting
ashen spindle
they were very clear during the presentation, that it was titan-class which was quite obvious that it's just going to be a cashgrab from gamers with too much money
ashen spindle
... yes because previouslt it was marketed as a titan card not as a gaming card
that just happend to sometimes be "worth" it for games
thick elk
GN's video was all about 8k gaming being far from a real usecase for the card.
linus still promotes 8k gaming
thick elk
Except you won't get playable framerates rendering at 8k
shadow minnow
Not now. But further in future...
ashen spindle
yeah in the future when we have 3 more generations of gpus
crimson wigeon
Depends on the games and graphics...
thick elk
also I think higher ress for vr mostly depends on eye tracking and foveated rendering
true quest
hd gang where u at
ashen spindle
regardless, adding workstation stuff is a bare minimum they should do imo, given they also gave it the nv link adapter?
true quest
at 500 fps
crimson wigeon
Yeah, SR-IOV plz
ashen spindle
but even when they add it, I still don't think you shouldnt criticize the card anymore, that's the point where I disagree with LTT
shadow minnow
The great AR glasses would imo have to have:
2 8k120/240 displays using OLED/hologram technology
Self tinting glass so you can experience things with black background
Camera and LiDar of course
thick elk
If they didnt do the whole 8k gaming marketing bs and just sticked to mostly the facts I think it's fine as a halo product.
ashen spindle
yup
shadow minnow
I still do not think it is fine
So bad value and no titan drivers not okay
This can be worse value as titan rtx when you consider no titan drivers
I hoped for 15-25% perf improvement in 4K gaming, It has 8-15% 
ashen spindle
how do you expect 25% more if it has 20% more hardware
that's actually impossible
even with perfect scaling
shadow minnow
VRAM bandwidth should be also counted in
ashen spindle
yeah about 2% ok
shadow minnow
I think it was 1650 super that was highly improved by just higher VRAM bandwidth?
ashen spindle
I dont even know where to start if you think those situations are even remotely comparable
shadow minnow
I said 15-25. 15 would be imo really reasonable
ashen spindle
25 was literally impossible under perfect scaling
zenith sonnet
It has more like 4-9% better perf at 4K gaming than the 3080
8-15% is probably true for OCed cards like the Strix
timid chasm
When are we getting info for new AMD chips? Early oct?
ashen spindle
except that's with the spanish 21% VAT
ashen spindle
so it's 10-20 bucks above the msrp, not really news nobody expected
timid chasm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgs-VbqsuKo
@ashen spindle So good. So. So. Good.
ashen spindle
favorite part is where he opens the hand to ask for more bills because the first batch of money isn't enough to say it's playable
timid chasm
That's what made me look to see if anybody had mentioned the video yet, haha
ashen spindle
tldr, crashes at high freq can be from lower quality caps used by some AiB for the first wave
reef patrol
Well at least the issues occur so soon, instead of warranty end.
ashen spindle
and most likely only for the first batch from some models, so should affect even less than the 2080ti pressure issue did
still shows what a rushed joke this release is
reef patrol
It is extra sad since the delay was nVidia dies, not the rest of the readily available components.
No excuse other than cost saving here - So I hope a ton of the cost of repair and replacement is sent to the CEOs 😄
reef patrol
EHHHHHH
ashen spindle
drivers ready 3 days before sales means some early models are in the store by the time you would've found this internally
reef patrol
Drivers or not, you should be able to 100% load a GPU.
ashen spindle
yes and they can do that with a stresstest thing nvidia provides, but that's just for thermals, doesn't really allow you to see instable OCs caused from non-heat related stuff if I understand it correctly
reef patrol
Again - I really don't see how a manufacturer of GPUs cannot do low-level, load and stability testing, even without OS level drivers.
It's not a specific render API causing issues or anything. It is literally capacitor issues - hardware.
ashen spindle
¯_(ツ)_/¯ I'm basing it off of what igor said in his video
ashen spindle
to a degree, you didn't have specs that close to the maximum of a card for releases usually
ampere was pushing thermals/power etc. much harder than any card I can remember
shadow minnow
I decided I am going to make custom PCB to get Sata or molex power connector to USB qc 3.0 capable of different voltages
I want to make it slim so I can put it into backspace of case.
reef patrol
3080 and waterblock ordered. Time to feel poor for months 😄
ashen spindle
well, hope you'll enjoy it and won't have buyers remorse soon
what model did you order?
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol Reason for not waiting out the crashing issues and/or RDNA2 reviews
reef patrol
Eh?
-
I have this thing called warranty. It's a lot easier to RMA a card you have, than not have a card at all. Not like I can just buy one at will.
-
AMD are more than welcome to announce and show benchmarks before my products are shipped. We're talking late Oct.
ashen spindle
would you mind answering my question or did you order a mystery choice 3080? :p
ashen spindle
ah solid choice I'd say
reef patrol
EK just released the block for it today.
And... the TUF is pricematched to the FE, so... cheapest 3080 out there.
Which helps when you've got 250€ of watercooling needed on top 😄
wheat plume
ElementaryOS will be getting a "Dyslexia friendly" font for their next release if you want it
but it looks so strange to me, does it really help if you have dyslexia?
reef tundra
It depends, the idea is that it makes it harder to read forcing the brain to put more effort to actually read the text. In the hope it helps with dyslexia
wheat plume
ooo
zenith sonnet
It's not about being harder to read
Letters get a larger weight at the bottom, making it easier for dyslexic people to differentiate between for example b and p
wheat plume
oohhh
thats neat
the contrast is a bit low though
not in the headlines though for the button labels
reef tundra
Unfortunately, no direct evidence has been found regarding the benefit of any one font (2) --although they have found that children learning to read benefit from larger text sizes. This may be due to variability among participants and hidden variables, such as familiarity with typeface. For example, one study found that the control font was read one word-per-minute faster than OpenDyslexic, but Arial is a fairly common typeface that participants were likely to have used in the past (4).
https://www.readandspell.com/best-font-for-dyslexia
ashen spindle
https://videocardz.com/press-release/alphacool-announces-eisblock-aurora-water-blocks-for-first-custom-geforce-rtx-3090-3080-models @reef patrol incase you would prefer those and can still change the order :p
reef patrol
Yeah I did see those. But I'm not a big fan of the design.
ashen spindle
just saw it news from today and for the card you got so I wasnt sure if you knew 🙂
reef patrol
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol Think the new Cryofuel is suitable for long term use?
reef patrol
I've used solid since it was released. No issues here.
Switching to their new RGB variant with the 3080
zenith sonnet
I'm thinking of switching too when I change something
Most likely the CPU first, though
Although I wonder if I can get a better CPU block
vagrant marsh
you know. with the availability of the rtx 3000 series, big navi doesnt has to be bigger or better. it just has to be available.
ashen spindle
meh, stock issues should be mostly resolved by then
after all it's not a failure rate or smth keeping them on low yields
zenith sonnet
It will be available if Frank Azor is to be trusted
reef patrol
after all it's not a failure rate or smth keeping them on low yields
@ashen spindle Erm...
ashen spindle
?
reef patrol
Wasn't that literally the case? Samsung who makes the dies had dreadful success rates on each wafer.
That's why 3080 stock was so low. And predicted to be.
ashen spindle
uhh let me check if I find the latest article I found about it
reef patrol
There are US distributors for WC parts though, Locke.
ashen spindle
hrmm I might have mixed up "no bad yields" with "yields not known" bc I can only find that last part
but given 8nm is in prudction since the end of 2017 even in slightly different form, I doubt they had an intel10nm issue on that node that it's in all that time not fixed?
especially since it's a modification of SS 10nm and not a new node
ashen spindle
fish are a lie from the government to spy on you where they cant monitor you with the birds that are also only drones
wheat plume
Still no miui 12 for redmi note 8 ;_;
vagrant marsh
get a poco x3 😛
wheat plume
That was too much over the price mom wanted to spend on a phone
She maxed out at €150
But she spent the extra €5 for this one
vagrant marsh
and what did it get ya? miui 11!
ashen spindle
kinda feel like her mom is using aobut 0 features of either one anyway
vagrant marsh
"look at this facebook post danielle made. She just posted a picture of her child holding a fork. she is so quirky"
wheat plume
she doesnt even know how to book tickets for mass
despite me keeping that page on a tab for her
she has like 5 tabs of that website
and she cant figure out how to reply to a text message, because she thinks older texts are the new text cause you see them all in the message thread
vagrant marsh
well, not every millenial man or woman has technological insight
wheat plume
my aunt is better
she has used a laptop and ipads before
and can download things and search and book and buy online and she has a phone with tap to pay now to pay at stores with her phone
misty pier
nfc is some cool shit
vagrant marsh
yup
misty pier
i forgot to bring my debit card with me one day but I had it handy on my phone
vagrant marsh
i tried paying by phone a few times now. too bad my bank app requires you to type a pin for payments more than 25 bucks.
misty pier
i'm glad most point of sale stations systems include nfc now
true quest
only place where i've used it and watched it work was at a walgreens
misty pier
gotcha, my card has nfc support but i'd rather use my phone
opal crystal
Are there any good mmo mice on the market? Corsair scimitar broke after <1 yr, razer naga trinity just looks silly, logitechs thumb buttons seem oddly placed. Any other good company?
crisp granite
the new razer naga is actually quite good
but I haven't used it long enough to say it can last a long time
glossy panther
alphacool
i have a cooler from them
performs great but the method of mounting it is god awful
wintry mica
Unfortunately all of the off-brand options use the Logitech G600 button layout with buttons that are mushy and difficult to press. If you're coming from a scimitar your best options are buying another scimitar or switching to a Naga of some form.
Make sure to RMA the mouse if you can even if you decide to get another one. Having a functional spare is better than having junk.
proud nacelle
I currently feel like throwing this piece of trash laptop outside a window. I've been trying to install Linux on it for at least a good couple days, to only find out that there is a bios bug and there is no fix to it. There is a work around, but dear god...
It's only this laptop I've had issues.
Not any other I've previously or currently own.
Eh? Works fine for me.
Ah well, yeah
That's for any device.
That's why you keep another one near by.
If you have android and you are rooted you can also use that as a boot disk.
Just another reason for me to hate x86 with a deep passion
old marlin
@opal crystal naga Trinity/pro is the best option by far
Only mmo mouse with modern parts and decent build quality
tender sparrow
Scimitar Elite supposedly has better build quality. Been using it for a while, no issues
old marlin
Wouldn't trust that factory and corsair with a mouse tbh
Also scimitar sidebuttons feel like trash imo
Like a mid 2000s downsized phone keypad
reef patrol
Manufacturers skimping, and nVidia not doing proper QC.
Everyone's at fault here.
Mass RMA incoming. And they can't re-sell the affected cards as new either.
"We wanted to skimp harder, but we had to semi skimp"
Also they aren't POSCAPs. It's a brand, not a type of capacitor. So... whoever wrote this is a marketing major, not an engineer 😄
ashen spindle
idk, seems like a nvidia issue, don't see how it's the AiBs fault when they were the first to figure it out (after launch)
even the cheaper option in a BoM should mean that it runs with no issue, otherwise why would you tell your partners this is what you can use
glossy panther
actually
isn't the instability caused at overclocking frequencies
and only at overclocking frequencies
if it isn't stock it doesn't matter, no?
reef patrol
Your card will basically crap out and crash to desktop if the boost clocks exceeds a certain level.
Which is possible on factory stock cards.
glossy panther
or artifact or crash to restart
i'm aware of the effect i'm just wondering the cause
ashen spindle
the cards boost higher by themselves if cooling is good enough without you doing anything
reef patrol
Well at least now we know why 😄
glossy panther
karmic payback for nvidia hairworks
ashen spindle
rushed launch has issue, what a surprise :p
reef patrol
Not rushed. Skimped.
glossy panther
they could've taken 1 year or 10 years
doing what they did
AIBs are just in a tough spot aye
well okay F1 is a good game
that's fair
ashen spindle
I dont see how it's skimped if nvidia said that pcb design is ok
glossy panther
AIBs are trying to cut costs
ashen spindle
and AiBs found out it isn't after launch bc they couldn't test before
reef patrol
Again - Both parties at fault.
AIBs for wanting to skimp beyond design specs given by nVidia.
nVidia for not doing due dilligence.
glossy panther
iirc there aren't specific design specs given to AIBs
reef patrol
There are.
ashen spindle
but they are not skimping beyond design specs
reef patrol
AIBs are REALLY hardlocked.
ashen spindle
nvidia said those options are good
reef patrol
Yes - Yes they are Quin
glossy panther
they're hardlocked yes
but they aren't given actual guidance, they're just told what's acceptable or what isn't
reef patrol
"Your board has to look like this at the core - no deviance"
That's being told 😛
ashen spindle
on the BoM it lists either variant of capacitor, it doesn't mention at least 2 of each or smth
reef patrol
It lists the loads - So picking components known not to be able to push that is obviously not good 😛
It's too early in the morning for nVidia apologists.
ashen spindle
wut, I'm blaming nvidia for this, not apologizing them
reef patrol
You don't sound like it. And again - AIBs could have done their job here as well 😄
You mean 3090, Locke? In theory yes.
How would we know? They don't physically exist yet 😄
I'll bet they do the due dilligence for those cards.
ashen spindle
I literally said
nvidia said those options are good
aka nvidia approved the design they should know doesn't work since they had much more time than the AiBs and should've been able to test that already
reef patrol
And... again... (for the love of Jobe) the AIBs tried to skimp in the first place.
glossy panther
nvidia's done a lot to make sure their FE cards really are considered better than AIB
too much in fact
they keep getting more expensive, margins get lower
for AIBs
reef patrol
It's like saying bank robbers aren't at fault, because the police didn't catch them 😆
ashen spindle
so if you get a list and the list says "here you need 6 caps, you can use A or B" how is that skimping, it doesn't say you need at least 2 of the more expensive ones
glossy panther
hot take
ashen spindle
do you still call that skimping? because then we just disagree on the term
reef patrol
I give up. 😛
ashen spindle
you just had to say yes or no but ok ¯_(ツ)_/¯
reef patrol
You're repeatedly ignoring the fact that they were given a footprint and a load level expectancy.
They skimped. It's that simple.
ashen spindle
and not enough time to validate everything in time before launch yes
glossy panther
the $699.99 FE boards seem to work well enough
reef patrol
They had plenty of time.
glossy panther
the $720-730 aibs having issues
zotac makes nice mini pcs
they can get out of the gpu business though
actually their mini gpus weren't bad either
nvidia apologists is a good one, didn't expect that after how burned most nvidia fans got during the release. then again they shouldn't have been vibrating that hard with consumerist energy
glossy panther
i blame it on the american political climate. it bleeds into any sort of competition between a set number of parties you can choose to have an affiliation for, especially when those parties come in pairs
such as amd vs nvidia
i'd rather have as many fuckers in the ring
bring in intel and whoever else wants to join in on the fun
intel produce graphics cards, nvidia produce processors
actually it's quite a scary position amd is in i think
and i have my stock in them
👀
ashen spindle
I blame a lot of issues with arguments online on that shit system the us has tbh, it really rubs of on everthing and simplifies it down to A vs B when its not that simple
look those can't be explained by anything xD
glossy panther
it probably just bottles up to our competitive nature that comes naturally
it's just amplified by the powers to be
glossy panther
mmm
700 buck monitor
spicy
i regret not getting 27"
1440p high refresh rate
not in the market anymore though. not until this one explodes
or i get an offer i can't refuse
mmm
i love 1440p
it's the sweet spot
scaling is terrible, so i leave it at 100%
glossy panther
3080 now, 3070 later
doesn't feel all that bad on a 1070 ti even feels quite good
$700 monitor
work?
certifications are expensive
after all
i got the dell one that was pushed a while ago
165hz 1440p not a very nice panel
actually
can regular cards even push hdr 600
or rather
10 bit colors
ashen spindle
nvidia opened up 10bit for non titan/quadro cards late last year
glossy panther
non titan
just in time for the 3090 they kept pushing as a titan not really a titan a gaming card not really a gaming card
ashen spindle
nah it was a bit before the super launch iirc
would fit, but no tinfoil this time :p
or maybe it was just for opengl apps and games could already do it?
not too sure on it
wheat plume
homework time
wheat plume
She wants us to code this
Yet she doesn't want the project folder
We have to copy paste the code from each class into a word document -.-
urban lynx
uh...
reef tundra
UML is a mistake
urban lynx
is your teaher like... stupid?
i mean, i get that UML is like, supposedly making it easier to understand stuff...
... but seriously, nobody actually uses it in a work environment. and if they do they got a program that converrts existing files into one...
reef tundra
Use vim to confuse the bits and make the teacher give max score cus its too good
urban lynx
too bad uml is what is requested in the educational system <.<
reef tundra
Most projects don't need full uml models to give everyone the idea of what the project is
wheat plume
She wants us to sketch a UML diagram from the description she gave us
then write the code in IntelliJ
Then use PlantUML to make a class diagram
Then send her a photo of our sketches and the code and class diagram in a document
reef tundra
Plantuml is better suited for R as their functionality goals are similair enough
Plus fancy interactive shit from R
wheat plume
oh shit
I was going to just sketch the class diagram that PlantUML generates
but thats not a UML diagram -.-
AGGHGHGHHGHG
urban lynx
i mean... given from the exercise, it doesnt seem like anything complicated
just a bunch of boring line drawing
wheat plume
its not, but idk all the exact specifics to a UML diagram
like when I need to use arrows or a number to signify things
urban lynx
...
reef tundra
Uml is fucking vague in its defination. Most of my professors gave no flying fuck about uml and its conventions. Just make it clear what the fuck the logic behind the code is
urban lynx
i'm currently wondering if i learnt a different kind of UML diagram, because honestly right now idk what you mean with numbers
wheat plume
It is vague AF -.-
sometimes I see that methods are included
sometimes they arent
sometimes the data type is included
sometimes not
i'm currently wondering if i learnt a different kind of UML diagram, because honestly right now idk what you mean with numbers
@urban lynx the numbers to show how many things a class can have
reef tundra
Its not even consistent to itself. With other diagrams contridicting the otgers
wheat plume
so like a student has one course but a course can have many students
urban lynx
i just realise it's been a while since i had anything to do with UML diagrams 😓
reef tundra
Also it is officially a state shartdiagram
reef tundra
The conventional methods
urban lynx
i remember we used some program where we did the classes in, and with a press of a button we got a uml diagramm thingy
tbf, i always only did the coding
urban lynx
just gotta find yourself some over achiever, 4-years-younger-than-you classmate that sits next to you, who is willing to do that, cause the coding itself bored him too much
wheat plume
We have to use PlantUML to get a class diagram
but we need a UML diagram too in handwritten form
why must it be final???
crimson wigeon
But that says may be, not must
wheat plume
oh
reef tundra
In java final means that the variable is constant and read only if I remember correctly
reef tundra
and now use the contructor to make the person at initialisation
wheat plume
huh?
crimson wigeon
And make a random generator so you can easily have hundreds of them
wheat plume
oh, you mean this
reef tundra
yea
makes working with shity objects much easier
functional programming OP please buff
wheat plume
crimson wigeon
I tried functional programming once, it didn't function
reef tundra
Then it is a user error
wheat plume
XD
crimson wigeon
Yes, perhaps it didn't function in my brain
reef tundra
but forcing objects everywhere is an absolute maronic thing and cry every time when I have to be anywhere close that maroonacy
crimson wigeon
Yes
reef tundra
Sometimes inflating the code with 2 or 3 times compared to functional approach
for 0 gain
oh now it a object that has two functions very nice.
and 2 more to initialise and cleanup that mess
also java should be a dead language for being pure bloat
crimson wigeon
Yes
reef tundra
c# gets a pass for its .net framework
vagrant marsh
hello, this is methods, how are you doing?
wheat plume
:') shut
vagrant marsh
😛
reef tundra
I would like a method to decontruct this entire mess called objects
vagrant marsh
windows. it just works.
reef tundra
Untill it doesnt then pray to bill gates a restart fixes it
wheat plume
The windows update recently broke my sisters install
and my friends -.-
but for my friend , booting into the boot menu and loading windows that way fixed it
reef tundra
Wellcome to the updater killed my windows again
wheat plume
^^^
reef tundra
windows updater was the reason i switched fulltime to linux
never failed me once
to that is epic
and it updates without annoying me, inconvinient timing or AI to update itself
wheat plume
I only had one time where a linux update broke shit for me
And it was when I manually tried to upgrade the nvidia drivers
reef tundra
And linux doesnt use 50% of my memory
always
Also someone yesterday had a presentation
mid-presentation windows updater came by and forced an update
took like 30minutes
lmao
wheat plume
ono
reef tundra
also one suprising thing about linux is when you tell it to shutdown it just does it. No waiting, off
wheat plume
oh she said inches, time to convert 6.1 feet to inches
reef tundra
no 5 to 15 minutes voodoo shanting from windows trying to shutoff
wheat plume
When I had windows on my laptop
and went to shut it down
the screen was fully off but the lights on the keyboard was still one for like 30 seconds longer
I had to wait before closing the laptop those 30 second
reef tundra
and linux is even able to handle sudden powerloss without corrupting to the moon and back with its journaling
wheat plume
I aware of that one.... the amount of times my mom shut off the power in my room without notice at night when she wanted me to get off the computer -.-
Maybe thats the reason my CMOS battery is fucked and wont boot
wheat plume
how tf I use PlantUML in IntelliJ?
I have the "PlantUML Integration" plugin installed
reef tundra
Use the magic of R and plantuml to fix
wheat plume
nu, we must use Java
opal crystal
I'll give a look at the new naga mice, thanks for the input!
wheat plume
xdd
oh, new...
AGH ok
wat...is this a class diagram?
oh, I do it myself....dang ok
thorn latch
Indians never lie, always helpfull
@reef tundra thanks
urban lynx
can i like just... mention how ridiculous this TV seems?
like, seriously?
i cant even
ashen spindle
.. you mean the transparent one from LG from CES 2019?
ashen spindle
are you sure they didnt just get the panel and rebranded it?
ashen spindle
not a single article seems to mention the transparent LG screen from 2016
wheat plume
I know Zach has a video of it
ashen spindle
ah yes... zach... the tech guy... I totally know who zach is
wheat plume
JerryRigEverything
cursive summit
Alright the rumour mill is going crazy
Navi22, which is the smaller Navi21, is now apparently matching 2080Ti perf
Navi21 will apparently outperform 3090
What a time to be alive
crimson wigeon
Yeah I've heard this before
Better just wait for real benchmarks and avoid disappointment
ashen spindle
yeah I dont trust that one either
given those numbers are not matching what the people who accurately leaked ampere are spoiling about navi, I think that is some random forum post
crisp granite
I think that AMD needs to compete on a feature level too, because the RTX 2000 and 3000 cards have a very rich feature set while AMD RX 5000 cards have comparatively little
that's really the only reason I'm going NVidia this time
ashen spindle
bit early to decide that without knowing what they will launch is it not? 
crisp granite
true
I'm saying they should
I'm going with DLSS and RTX
because it's proven
I don't want to pay $1200 to beta test for AMD
ashen spindle
rdna2 has raytracing and will support more titles because its the same as on consoles
crisp granite
I remember reading an article a while ago where a developer said that the consoles were too weak for ray tracing
they may have meant at 4k
but I'm still skeptical
ashen spindle
yes it's not really something you get for series S or that you will get multiple features in a game and rather only reflections/GI etc.
cursive summit
People forget that AMD has something akin to DLSS and shit
But no one talks about it
crisp granite
actually?
ashen spindle
but still a much wider install base than just rtx gpus
crisp granite
true
ashen spindle
AMD has RIS yes but that's not really akin to dlss2
cursive summit
Just run FidelityFX
crisp granite
dlss will eventually work with all titles with TAA
or almost every game
that is a selling point for me
ashen spindle
RIS/CAS is cool stuff but the current feature sets isn't really the same as dlss
I assume they will show something to have a competition there on rdna2 release
cursive summit
Remember AMD's been hiring like crazy
ashen spindle
but the current stuff is not competition
cursive summit
Like before they were definitely underdogs, but with Zen cash influx
And a whole lot more talent
We'll see where this goes
ashen spindle
we saw where it went with intel gpus
cursive summit
AMD's mostly copying, but hope they do start to innovate
Plus I really don't expect much driver issues
Like 50+ new job listings for software engineers alone were listed
ashen spindle
yeah most of that is for data center/supercomputer drivers though
cursive summit
I remember one of my old friends got a call from AMD to work as their benchmark guy
They pay 10$/hour
crisp granite
in what currency?
cursive summit
American currency obv
cursive summit
10$ an hour??
That's multiple times higher than some European countries hourly wage
ashen spindle
yes and average american salary is 25/hour
ashen spindle
unless its for a remote job bc then conversion of currecny etc gets weird with taxes
crisp granite
and that is barely enough to live
cursive summit
pale sigil
tbh
depending on the price of the 3080ti id consider navi
if its on par of the 3080 and a lot less im all game
but i dont see that happening
Imagine a card without rtx
GTX and RTX range
with lower prices
i just dont give a shit about ray tracing
though i will admit DLSS is just a huge leap
ashen spindle
well whats your monitor
yea there it's fine, for my 3440x1440p my 1080 is starting to struggle
if it wasn't ultrawide I'd probably not need an update here either
I'm fairly certain you'd change your mind if you were to use a good new monitor now and had to go back to your current one
1080p60 on TN I assume?
well, before march I would've suggested to go into a shop and just look at a 2k monitor and get some impression if you want to upgrade
but I'm not suggesting that when I'm not leaving my own house
urban lynx
i mean i would. if the only electronics store within 1h of driving would have any monitors that seem okay and arent like 30% over what i'd pay everywhere else
ashen spindle
well, to take a look you dont need to buy it from there
urban lynx
what i'm saying is, they dont even have anything above 1080p in store
ashen spindle
well, depends on the price you are willing to pay :p
I mean, if this is the first result I feel like with looking into it there should be one that fits the criteria for you https://www.amazon.com/AOC-CU34G2X-Frameless-Immersive-Adjustable/dp/B07ZB2TNZZ/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=xiaomi%2Bmi%2Bcurved%2B34&linkCode=sl2&linkId=c86a060cdc52411d95ab5cc9ca53849a&qid=1601145716&sr=8-1&tag=hardwunbox-20&th=1
uhh not really
VA is a very great choice nowadays
and has the best contrast
urban lynx
is "low latency" truly importante?
ashen spindle
to a degree yes, has diminishing returns after a while ofc
urban lynx
i mean i get it, input lag is annoying.
like, i'm looking at you, csgo
reef tundra
but it was your fault the awp shot a blank shot at the enemy
ashen spindle
VA or even ips in the beginning was just not suitable for gaming bc the input lag was terrbile, not just for csgo sniper levels
reef tundra
Most latency is coming from our neurons and brains processing the signals
urban lynx
like, i watched a friend earlier, and his shots LITERALLY went through the enemy into the wall behind.
which you could see AFTER that enemy moved further on their path.
reef tundra
I believe this is around 20ms, thus we all life in the past
urban lynx
is there any recommendable monitor to me? I'd like like, low latency, low cost, at least 1080p, and maybe more than 60Hz pwease :3
urban lynx
doesnt cost me like half of my months salary
which, defined by my net, is actually around 300
ashen spindle
urban lynx
wow. that's 1440p right quint?
urban lynx
so quintosh sent me a 1440p 144hz monitor, for about the same price as the
1080p ?240hz? Asus VG259QM ... 🤔
ashen spindle
current state of gpus https://twitter.com/i/status/1309817777595781120
urban lynx
nvidia and amd both at the same time nuke itselves?
while intel just like... slowly crawls to the next state?
ashen spindle
drivers/low speed/maximum thermals
ye that version is 550
a bit above 330 for the other one :p
urban lynx
yeah no. i'm not spending an entire months savings for that
so the question is, what do i want more? more refresh rates?
or higher res?
does csgo count? 🤔
ashen spindle
feel like 144 is realistic in more titles so I prefer the mix of 1440p and 144hz over unrealistic high hz you dont always reach
urban lynx
i think the 1440p one is slightly cheaper either
define "competitively"
why not 60hz?
ashen spindle
(for a secondary monitor it's still fine but not for the main monitor)
urban lynx
so you say my +10yo monitor is bad? 
... i mean, it runs on vga 
and i'm hyper aware of how much vga sucks
ashen spindle
anyway the monitor I linked is what two friends recently got and they both like it quite a lot so I can vouch for it to work/look fine
urban lynx
tbh i'm highly likely on getting the one you linked to me
though... it is only available as 27" to me?
ashen spindle
yeah the 24" one is for 1080p variants iirc
urban lynx
oh it doesnt?
ashen spindle
for the most part yeah, there are bigger/smaller ones but tehy usually cost a bit more bc they are rarer
urban lynx
56cm are how many inches?
i'll have to rearrange my entire desk anyway
the linked monitor only has amd free sync, right? no gsync?
ashen spindle
yea it doesnt have the module but you should still be able to use gsync, reddit says it's "certified"
but that I can't confirm, from the two people I know that got it, one has a amd card and I couldnt convince the other one to see if it works lmao
urban lynx
... how important even is gsync? 🤔
ashen spindle
depends, if you can reach you monitors framerate or exceed it, you dont need it at all
does your fps drop below 144 on your monitor?
crimson wigeon
Turn off all desktop composition and tear-free etc and then drag a window around, instant tearing
urban lynx
oh right.
amazon does not get along with paypal, right?
ashen spindle
you could try the AMD windmill demo fi that exists for linux
urban lynx
... guess i gotta use my paypal credit card 
ashen spindle
iirc it was just called amd windmill demo, a thing they released so you can look for screen tearing and test if your free sync works
nvidia had a pendulum demo iirc but agian, idk if its on linux
urban lynx
ngl. i like the usage of paypals rate payment... makes purchases seem less big
at least they dont impact you at once with a big hit
wheat plume
Possible design of descendant rom for android 11
ivory geyser
halcyon moss
they are very round on my android 11
wheat plume
wat
thorn latch
lana what county you in
ashen spindle
if those are a "possible design" I doubt they are lanas own screenshots
oh shit, we got some leaks for the AMD gpu releases
urban lynx
what is it compared with nvidia?
urban lynx
... help, me not know nvidia numbers / not sure where to find it
oh i just see that
october 2010
ashen spindle
urban lynx
sneaky
reef tundra
radeon hd is back lol
fair gull
bro they even come with 2 dvi ports
nvidia gonna lose this
damn i remember when gpus had shit printed on them
ashen spindle
the virgin 8nm gpu vs chad 40nm
ashen spindle
wait I need to go check, I think a 6870 might've been the card I had in my first pc
pale sigil
Lol I had the 6850
reef tundra
b
ashen spindle
yup, XFX 6870, stashed away in the box of my gtx 770
fair gull
ashen spindle
so laptop->6870->770->1080->rdna2(probably) for me lul
fair gull
for me it was (multiple nvidia cards pre gtx 6xx)-> r9 290 -> 2080ti
i think it was @solar hinge who got my r9 290
ashen spindle
I remember the laptop, it was great, I could run release minecraft for about 7-10 minutes before it would overheat and shutdown
fair gull
lol
before i got my r9 290 i wasnt able to play mc with more than 10fps
with the r9 it ran but after a year i got microstutters
never found out if it was cpu or gpu related tho
solar hinge
Indeed I do have it 😁 it's in my pc at my parents place @fair gull
fair gull
cause i moved the entire rig to a friend except gpu
and got a new pc
@solar hinge hope u have a better experience than i did
or ur parents
ashen spindle
While we're on the topic, anyone want to buy my 1080? it works absolutely fine(*)
*Might require undervolting to not crash during gaming
solar hinge
Wqi haven't had issues with either gta v or apex
fair gull
so it was my poor i7-4790k
ashen spindle
uhh if you are serious let me check what used prices are atm lol
would not be before end of next month though, not selling ti before I get a new one
ashen spindle
analog cpu clearly
fair gull
i didnt know cpus had that
glossy panther
would be nice if amd magically had good product
you know what's crazy
how hyped up the 3080 was and how burned people were on launch
mostly of their own volition, and partially because lol nvidia
but now amd is trying to one-up them in more ways than just the good ones
there's no market for ambiguous tweets about product outside of reddit
urban lynx
tbf i wasnt exactly hyped for the new gen.
i was just waiting out my time, knowing no matter what, buying a 2080ti might do end up a mistake in face of the (then) upcoming announcements and releases
and now i just wait a little longer
longest i can wait though is till CP77 :P
glossy panther
cp77
oh right
that game
i think i saw some gameplay it looked like that mad max game
fair gull
callum
pale sigil
My Xbox ONE controller wont work with xcloud but my PS4 controller will
fair gull
pls never drive irl
glossy panther
for a second
pale sigil
You try playing on a phone
glossy panther
i thought you posted a screenshot of cyberpunk 2077
thorn latch
@pale sigil are you only in this channel?
cursive summit
I will upgrade to Ryzen 5000 series once they are out
pale sigil
I dont get it, this controller works with steam stream but nothing else.
cursive summit
Or even RX6000 series if they are cheaper and good
pale sigil
No why, im an admin so im literally in all.
thorn latch
i only see you active in here
crimson wigeon
I rate the rig empty/10
thorn latch
i wana see the hidden channels
thorn latch
how do i get voluntters
reef patrol
Seems like solid choices, @cursive summit
thorn latch
mansen
reef patrol
Maybe buy the GPU used. 😆
thorn latch
i asked you a question in questions btw
ashen spindle
uhhh @cursive summit are you sure you posted the correct link
thats just the generic pcpartpicker link so I think mansen saw whatever he last had in his list lol
wheat plume
my friend cant have a wifi card in his computer because the place where the GPU is mounted doesnt leave enough room for a wifi card to slot in
-.-
GG CoolerMaster GG
so he is stuck trying to use a dodgy wifi card that has barely any functional drivers
ashen spindle
.. so the case is at fault for an oversized gpu cooler? or what exactly is wrong
reef patrol
Yeah was about to say. That is 100% your case 😄
wheat plume
its the cases fault for sure
reef patrol
He can just buy a USB based wifi solution.
ashen spindle
ok, what case is it that the case is at fault for the gpu/mobo layout not working wiht it
wheat plume
one sec, I get link
pale sigil
does this person not have an m2 slot
wheat plume
I just knew cooler master was in the name
pale sigil
Also the case is small so its more their fault
should be enough room
to add a card though
cursive summit
Ah
wheat plume
the case is narrow af
my friend has a smaller but wider case and he can fit a wifi card
ashen spindle
yeah I dont see how this case is blocking a second pcie installation?
pale sigil
i think they are using the GPU in the second slot?
cursive summit
Roughly 1200 euro list
pale sigil
am i correct Lana?
crimson wigeon
I rate it Noctua/10
pale sigil
and something is covering the first
wheat plume
idk , I could ask
pale sigil
Can vouch for that cooler
cursive summit
I like the Noctua DH-15
wheat plume
I wasnt there when he built it
pale sigil
@cursive summit get the black version
thorn latch
9400f>3700x
ashen spindle
yeah looks like a good build
just make sure the mini itx board has enough ports for the needs
pale sigil
thorn latch
cursive summit
I am such an AMD boy, even if you asked I couldn't name what is Intel's current motherboard series called or their sockets
pale sigil
Wait for new ryzen cpus
cursive summit
@thorn latch Nice bait
ashen spindle
please dont link uselessbenchmark
crimson wigeon
Ah yes userbenchmark the best most accurate source
thorn latch
wdym
cursive summit
Nah he's baiting
pale sigil
I dont think he is baiting
cursive summit
Sigh
ashen spindle
its a trash website with heavy bias for intel because they get a lot of intel marketing money
pale sigil
i think he just actually views it as a valuable source
reef tundra
jabaited
ashen spindle
its not accurate at all
ashen spindle
yes thats why I'm explaining why its shit
thorn latch
is it not good?
ashen spindle
no
pale sigil
No
ashen spindle
the website is very useless
thorn latch
what
cursive summit
Lemme find the link
fair gull
yes and no id say
the website is not a good comparison of just cpus
but i personally would say a good average of cpus perf in the wild
cursive summit
UserBenchmark is biased. As a result, they have been banned from /r/intel and /r/hardware, and have been restricted at /r/AMD.
Why?
Upon the release of the Ryzen 3000 series, they adjusted their ranking system to a different one that isn't any longer representative of real performance. When called out, they accused their critics of being "anonymous call center shills". Rigged or falsified benchmarks are destructive to the PC ecosystem: builders (and sometimes even entire companies) fall for these fake benchmarks, build worse PCs, and starve out the creators of good hardware. No industry ever got better by giving all the funding to the loser.
ashen spindle
they optimize their website so it shows as the first google result for as many search options as possible, they are making this to make money from ads mostly
wheat plume
would this case have enough room for a wifi card?
https://www.komplett.ie/cooler-master-masterbox-q500l/20942634/product/3109
cursive summit
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/66768/userbenchmark-adjusting-cpu-rankings-pandering-intel/index.html
thorn latch
ashen spindle
you cant oc the cpu so why waste money on a z390 board
thorn latch
ram overclock#
cursive summit
fair gull
what is this garbo they trying to pull
cursive summit
How the fuck is this real
9600k which is non-SMT shite
Is pulling ahead of 3950X
pale sigil
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07L5YRYF4/ can someone give this a quick look
fair gull
oh noe tplink
glossy panther
mmm
cursive summit
Though I heard you might better making your own router
crimson wigeon
What do I have to sacrifice on that altar
cursive summit
With APs
glossy panther
fuck no
thorn latch
glossy panther
terrible fucking processor
thorn latch
i have a 7700hq
reef tundra
if it begins with intel is aint good
reef patrol
The 8350 is better than nothing...but not by much 😄
cursive summit
Just buy Apple certified cables :kappa:
glossy panther
i'd take an 8350 over an 8550U
reef tundra
glossy panther
apples and oranges but man
cursive summit
Cause it's a quality product
glossy panther
mobile processors
cursive summit
:kappa:
glossy panther
mmm
reef tundra
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA APPLE QUALITY HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
ashen spindle
8350 works well with the new nvidia gpus, both draw enough W to heat your house
reef patrol
cursive summit
Jokes on you, Tiger lake is nice
glossy panther
i'd take a 10600K over AMD
thorn latch
my uncle spent £1500 on a 5k mac thinking they dont get viruses
reef tundra
Cus mac dont allow the user to do anything
glossy panther
can't you break mac open
ashen spindle
yeah Tiger Late will be able to have a nice presence on the mobile market for about a quarter till new amd APUs come out around CES
thorn latch
my uncle spent £1500 on a 5k mac thinking they dont get viruses
@thorn latch all he got was a rx570x
cursive summit
The new AMD CPUs will still be useless to me since they don't seem to have USB4
In late 2021 the rumoured first Ryzen chips with USB4 are coming
I need that good solid eGPU
thorn latch
what do you need usb 4 for
cursive summit
Cause USB4 is Thunderbolt3 certified
reef tundra
thorn latch
what you gonna do with that
reef patrol
Nothing an addin card can't fix, Vexx 😄
thorn latch
its in efficent
thorn latch
by not gettting an ultrabook
reef tundra
via the magic of pcie over copper wire
cursive summit
I need an ultrabook you fool, otherwise I wouldn't talk about it
Hey it's better than the other insults
cursive summit
Same
thorn latch
@cursive summit its the price of 30% of a pc just for a case