he even ate snow to conceal his breath
#πβtech
reef tundra
The end was marked by an explosive round to his face nearly killing him
Us army be updating their gear a lot lately
the frag granade, pistol are also getting updated
its like 800 grams dam
for all the infantry? not just the snipers?
That seems a little very overkill
5.56 nato seems fine as most situations
and more international support
vague memory of it or it seems familiar atleast
seems interresting, claims recoil would be increased neglegeble while having way more stoppingpower
minimal loss of magazine sizes
Like it matters when it misses
lol
same reason why drums are 'better' cus more ammo lol. but box magazines would be the same count. While not being as bulky and expensive
and less jamming
mgs intensifies
machine gun crew has 3 men anyways to keep the machine gun shooting
box with belt fed would be more effective instead of drumbois
How is it in continues use like in suppression doing?
reef tundra
ashen spindle
gee I wonder why 42 tabs need some power :p
fair gull
i wonder i wonder
ivory geyser
@pale sigil kinda thinking it might be because you are using Brave tbh
zenith sonnet
Nvidia now officially blaming scalping bots for the mess they made 
pale sigil
@ivory geyser Nah firefox > brave > rest
cursive summit
Tor > firefox > rest
Wait no
Radeon browser > tor > firefox
Amazing
Pure perfection
ashen spindle
shit like that is why im still not 100% certain they wont fuck up they gpu launch again lmao
cursive summit
Nice stock
ashen spindle
thats not really an issue
cursive summit
We are talking about the launch you walnut
Product's another question
Eh Nvidia's had a fair share of botched launches
ashen spindle
extremely high demand is not really an issue from the manufacturer?
and when was the last great gpu launch from amd lmao
cursive summit
"Extremely high demand", more like "Our store doesn't have jack shit of protection so bots stole everything"
zenith sonnet
As if a company the size of Nvidia couldn't accurately access market demand
ashen spindle
bots made it worse, if there were no bots it would still have been sold out
cursive summit
Not in 1 milisecond
ashen spindle
also nvidia is selling a minority of FE cards, majaority goes out to AiB
zenith sonnet
Or wouldn't know that bots became more sophisticated
ashen spindle
so the bot protection or stock on the nvidia store really didnt matter
zenith sonnet
Meanwhile, low supply was rumoured before launch
crimson wigeon
So I don't know anything about any of this but why not allow orders anyway and just jack up the shipping estimate so people can just wait in line without having to bot it and such
zenith sonnet
Guess the rumours were true
ashen spindle
because the bots are not a big issue people are just mad and are looking at something that's always been happening
cursive summit
"Bots are not a big issue"
ashen spindle
more orders taken by bots? sure, but not like 5 million
cursive summit
Sure, scalpers completely didn't steal a shit ton of cards
ashen spindle
not a bigger issue than usually if you want me to specify it
zenith sonnet
Well, according to Nvidia, they only had enough supply to give 50 stores worldwide a limited number of cards
cursive summit
Microcenter didn't get any
zenith sonnet
If that's not short supply, I don't know what it
cursive summit
At most from what I heard, 7 cards were sent to retail stores
Yup 7 first come first served campers got cards
Rest hard to wait extra 24 hours
zenith sonnet
Mindfactory, one of the biggest German retailers, did not get any so far
cursive summit
People were right about the launch, it's a soft launch
They don't have the cards to hard launch it
zenith sonnet
They just wanted it out before AMD, so they could say 'first'
cursive summit
In few months time to demand might stabilize
ashen spindle
ah yes, really limted gpu supply of 7 gpus
cursive summit
Eh AMD's been making RDNA2 cards and Zen3's since early this year
ashen spindle
doubt that one
cursive summit
Though the fact they use same wafers for everything is very concerning
TSMC's on their tip toes just to try and make the required wafers
ashen spindle
what makes you think they are actively making rdna2 cards since early this year lol
ashen spindle
mhm where
cursive summit
Fuck do I remember where I read something half a year ago
ashen spindle
I mean if you want to sell a story that means they have stockpiled cards for over half a year without anyone leaking anything, that seems not realistic at all and would be a huge waste
cursive summit
Last I heard only last week RDNA2 cards were sent to Shenzhen for drivers
ashen spindle
last week is a lot closer than "since early this year"
cursive summit
That's the chips being made
ashen spindle
so they have chips laying around doing nothing is what you are trying to tell me
for 6 months
having chips lay around as dead weights for months, while partners dont even have a BoM as far as we know with status of like 2 weeks ago, doesnt add up
I mean I would hope so
means they have a competing product
200$ gpu aint competing with a 3080
cursive summit
A day ago 6900XT was rumoured to compete with 3090 and cost 499$
ashen spindle
yeah thats called a fake rumor
cursive summit
Reminds me of the times RX 480 was rumoured to be 199$ for GTX 1080 perf
Yeah that aged very well..
Alright I couldn't find what I exactly read
But Zen3 early samples appeared April-May
And June was when they went mass production
ashen spindle
cursive summit
June28th in earnings call Lisa said console chips went mass production
And very early 2020 was AMD fighting for more 7nm fab capacity
ashen spindle
console chips are zen 2
cursive summit
So yeah they are good 4 months in production, 7nm chips
ashen spindle
you mean console apus
cursive summit
Console chips use RDNA2
ashen spindle
yes that has about 0 correlation with rdna2 dekstop cards
zenith sonnet
Seems like AMD just snatched another 13 000 wafers a month
ashen spindle
they even use a slightly different process for these chips
cursive summit
Few days ago TSMC allocated even more wafers yeah
Would be interesting seeing AMD completely take up TSMC and also most of Samsung's fab capacity
But Samsung 8nm isn't as advanced as 7nm EUV yet
So they can't just mix and match
ashen spindle
why would AMD go to samsung and lose the opportunity to develop with TSMC
cursive summit
And I bet TSMC aren't going to send production plans
Not in a million years
Last time AMD stuck with a foundry, Glo-Fo died
But they're doings bits with TSMC, 5nm is on track
ashen spindle
... sticking with a foundry and having the foundry yourself is nothing alike
cursive summit
Is Glo-Fo still irrelevant?
Last I heard they don't have 7nm yet
They do have a mature 12nm node
ashen spindle
yes, only 6 billion usd revenue, very irrelevant
density and yields are good indications
cursive summit
.5nm or sham
ashen spindle
uhh, they dont want to gives us that? that's news to me
ehhhh
I think right now it was just easier to go wider than deeper hence we got better cores and more of them, but that's more of a one time thing
not liket amd's plan is going to be 512 core consumer cpu next
zenith sonnet
They technically could go the ASIC route for gaming
Similar to how the PS5 will feature an ASIC core for audio processing
karmic imp
to be fair
"not giving us gaming processors"
the problem isn't that we don't have gaming processors - we have GREAT processors
the problem is that the gaming industry is lagging behind, refusing to multi-thread properly
There's only so much power we can get out of a single core safely
Theoretically the core limit is... stupidly high
reef patrol
There is also only so much a game developer can put in parrallel before needing serial processing π
zenith sonnet
Well, problem is they hire quantity over quality
karmic imp
Definitely
But yeah in theory, with proper multithreading procedures... there's a LOT you can process in parallel
ashen spindle
can't really refuse to do multicore stuff when decades there was no real cpu with many cores :p that takes time to adjust to
zenith sonnet
They need better developers, not run-of-the-mill coders
karmic imp
Quintosh, we've had multi-core processors for at least 15 years now
ashen spindle
yeah 4 cores were the max for gaming focus though, with games needing to run on dual cores
and there was no indication that intel would change that really
zenith sonnet
Doesn't mean you can't think and plan ahead
karmic imp
Counterpoint: Planetside 2 had massive multithreading support.
Granted, their method were flawed because modern Ryzen CPUs break the game, but the capability was there
ashen spindle
I mean yeah in theory we always had HEDT parts you could use to test scaling, but if you expect a roadmap of 10+ years of 4 cores as the main target audience, would it really be smart to work towards using more?
karmic imp
Also technically
yes we had 4 cores
BUT
with hyperthreading
we've had 8 threads forever now
Most games use 3 at most from what I've seen - main processing, audio, networking
ashen spindle
how long were people saying "an i-5 is enough for gaming"? intel cut of HT for that line and that was what most people bought
karmic imp
I literally never heard that but you could be right.
Which makes me dislike Intel even more
ashen spindle
I'm not arguing there was no point where they could(or in hindsight should) have started to focus on it more, but from a point in the past, when you look at what you expect 80%+ of your players to use? don't thinkg it's right to blame anyone there
zenith sonnet
So what? Only because i5's couldn't do more doesn't mean the devs have to make or use engines that can only work with 4 threads.
karmic imp
For instance, Godot has indefinite multithread support, implementation left up to the developer
zenith sonnet
It's like those games that don't support widescreen because the devs were to lazy to implement proper resolution scaling
ashen spindle
sure, but godot is also only 5? years old comapred to unreal/unity or similar ones and has a different focus
karmic imp
Widescreen?
I play some games that don't even support high-resolution 4:3 or 5:4. Like the highest the devs implemented was 1024x768
Meanwhile there's this one game from 1999 that takes 1080 like a champ right out the box
reef patrol
But... 1024x768 IS 4:3 π
zenith sonnet
Patrician 3 π¦
karmic imp
Yes, but it's low resolution
reef patrol
Time to remaster. Or emulate π
karmic imp
Windows doesn't even RUN in 1024 nowadays
reef patrol
Uhh... yes it does π
karmic imp
(Also, Godot being 5 years old is irrelevant when Unreal was, as far as I know, rewritten basically from scratch for 4)
ashen spindle
looking up godot on wikipedia, it was 5 years, but it was only 2018 when they had the V3 release that came with PBR rendering and evertyhing big, so it's only 2 years, it makes much more sense that it then takes a much bigger look at multicore support
ashen spindle
and UE4 was something they worked on in 2003, there was no ryzen in 2003 lol
karmic imp
nevermind
reef patrol
Unreal 5 is on the way π
karmic imp
I'm not holding my breath
ashen spindle
5 is more like a bigger update+ licensing changes
karmic imp
Unreal is wholly inappropriate for my works anyway. Unity is closer, but PhysX makes me mad
karmic imp
My games are pretty physics heavy so that's a no-go for me
crimson wigeon
But I thought PhysX was magic that handles zillions of physics objects flawlessly at the same time and it can even be hardware accelerated!
ashen spindle
cpu physx != gpu physx
karmic imp
ashen spindle
but have you taken a look at the new physics engine they are using with the DOTS unity approach? might be more for you
karmic imp
That's another thing that pisses me off. NVidia can go die in a fire.
No I haven't been following Unity
DOTS?
crimson wigeon
And yeah I know I'm more about the tech demos and promises about PhysX before Nvidia bought it all
ashen spindle
they are introducing a new way to code you game basically, especially for big project that will cause gigantic performance boost options
DOTS is Data-Oriented Technology Stack
crimson wigeon
Ah yes, buzzwords
ashen spindle
using ECS( entity component system) and a burst compiler
well sure, but you gotta name your new stuff
if you want the quickest look at it yourself, download the megacity project they showed of
karmic imp
ehh. I'm not fond of showcases lol
ashen spindle
sure but you can see the source code and maybe figure out if its for you
karmic imp
but yes, what's this new physics engine? are we talking brand new?
or did they switch from PhysX to Bullet/Havok
ashen spindle
with dots you can chose between havok and a unity physic solution
karmic imp
...
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
lol
karmic imp
I've been a Havok fanboy since the Shockwave demo days
ashen spindle
DOTS/ECS/burst compiler is what you want to look for then
karmic imp
I even poked them about getting the physics engine for implementation but they never got back to me since I'm not a studio yet
Is it fully out yet or are they just showcasing a future release?
ashen spindle
uhhh it depends, they started to do a more package based approach instead of having one giant engine with everything
so I dont know which one as I'm still using 2018.4 for what I need to work on lul
which ones are out of early acces *
ashen spindle
recently changed, but no clue as I dont have to deal with that lul
karmic imp
you're staying under free or you've got a grandfathered licensing scheme?
ashen spindle
no I'm just a junior dev at my company so that doesn't matter for me lul
ashen spindle
local one that makes games/ app solutions/useless 5g apps etc., nothing interresting
karmic imp
aaah, generic mobile app mill then
crimson wigeon
So how does 5G enhance your game?
ashen spindle
please don't, that's what I'm struggling to figure out lmao
zenith sonnet
Enhanced marketing
ashen spindle
like some projects are nice and other are the usual marketing stuff to get research funds that just dont make sense lul
if you want to look at some marketing for one project https://www.5gsolutionsproject.eu/
I'm working on something nice there, but no comment about some other parts lul
but back to unity, DOTS is something that you can really use to make use of multicore stuff and all that fancy tech, but you'll need to completely change how you create your code and project structure
karmic imp
I'll def have a look at it
Still really appealed by the MIT license of Godot though ahah
ashen spindle
I'm more pragmatic in that regard Β―_(γ)_/Β― but yes that's definitely a nice aspect if it's relevant
crimson wigeon
Mmmmm.. SDFGI, doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely as SVOGI though
reef patrol
π
old marlin
razer got new keycaps apparently?
cursive summit
Doubleshots yeah
karmic imp
what's doubleshot?
old marlin
apparently fully ABS for that keyboard
crisp granite
I'm talking doubleshot PBT
like the razer PBT caps from the huntsman line of keyboards
who uses abs caps in 2020?
reef patrol
Have.
crisp granite
yeah
reef patrol
You can order them from the website. And apparently there's a layout that works with Wooting.
reef patrol
Most Razer and Corsair boards do not.
crisp granite
true
reef patrol
Hence the need to pick... I forgot what board.
crisp granite
mass production?
it's not like gmk
no
the caps are nice, no defects, nice legends
old marlin
solving
crisp granite
I tried acetone under the escape key
old marlin
ez mode
crisp granite
not abs
old marlin
it is mixed
so it might not solve easy
well
the other doubleshots were
the ones on the blackwidow v3 pro are just ABS
no mixing here
for better rgb
not my words
crisp granite
on my huntsman mini, the caps are all pbt
crisp granite
probably not
crisp granite
those pudding caps
old marlin
not especially high quality usually
nope
but all with shinethrough are mixed ABS and PBT
or a PBT outer shot
with an ABS inner shot
this for example
is not PBT
crisp granite
I noticed the legends getting a little oily
crisp granite
those caps are beautiful
crisp granite
HyperX makes PBT pudding caps
old marlin
usually takes a while
ik a guy that got his razer "PBT" to shine in 5 months
hyperx resells pudding keycaps
doesn't make them
reef patrol
ABS gets shiny, PBT gets shiny. Your finger oils is what decides how fast that happens.
reef patrol
My Miami set that is like... 3 years old now. Like new still. Even has the sandpaper feel on most keys.
old marlin
shine through on PBT is barely there
reef patrol
I mean shine through
@prisma crag PBT can't do that. You need the POM layer.
old marlin
would just look terrible
crisp granite
it feels like POM under the caps
for the inner mold of the razer "PBT" caps
same glide on my fingers as a Novelkeys cream stem
noice
the caps snobbery thing is lost on me
just get PBT, replace when shiny
crisp granite
the razer opus?
crisp granite
oh
crisp granite
I tried the deathadder
old marlin
blackwidow v3 pro seems ok for a wireless mass production mech
crisp granite
but it uses the razer switches
old marlin
ye
crisp granite
which are pretty bad
crisp granite
are the new greens actually tactile?
because early razer greens were the noisiest linear I know of
and same with the oranges
the yellows are ok
better than cherry mx reds at least
old marlin
new linears are dampened
dunno how well obv
thing is
name me another fullsized mech
where I can trust that I'll be able to at least RMA it in the time I have it
crisp granite
um
I haven't used a full size in years
I don't know any good ones
I remember the matias tactile pro being quite good
old marlin
not wireless
like
only option is G613
with "tactile" romer g
uhh yea i'd rather no
oh and G915
crisp granite
dang
that moonlander looks awesome
I might get one and throw my black inks in it
same
but I've been looking at the ergodox for years
just dreading the learning curve
crisp granite
are the keycaps ABS or PBT?
reef patrol
Which?
crisp granite
for the Moonlander
reef patrol
Weren't YOU the one who brought up Moonlander? I'm talking about ergodox keycaps π
reef patrol
π
KAT Cyberspace. It's ended. But GBs open up every so often that have Ergo sets.
https://kono.store/products/kat-cyberspace
Bit of a hacker theme. The legends have translucent material in them.
Kono is just one of the re-sellers.
It's a group buy.
Got mine from MYKEYBOARD.eu since they ship from EU.
Was only 87β¬ for base set and ergo.
crisp granite
noice
reef patrol
Just saw this being offered up on FB. What a unique looking keyboard π
reef patrol
It looks like a thinkpad.
fair gull
ya thats pmuch thinkpad keyboard for pc
urban lynx
ah right. i usually use the 
emote as like an /s
fair gull
ng i didnt even see that emote
old marlin
I forgot what tex called those
the yoda is the smaller one
shinobi?
ah
shinobi was the metal version
kodachi is plastic
karmic imp
you know what makes me sad
the fact that nearly everyone is moving to tenkeyless formats
I don't wanna leave my numpad behind :c
reef patrol
I'm not. I need it for old games π
I'll most likely have my Lekker as my daily driver, and my Ergodox as the "gaming" meme keyboard.
For shooters and such.
karmic imp
by "everyone" I meant keyboard manufacturers
though that ergodox sounds like it'd be fun to use
I swear I'm basically turning into a keyboard collector lmao
I should definitely look to find somewhere where I can just buy unattached switches so I can test them out lmfao
karmic imp
'cause like.
I bought this Vulcan 121 because it advertised the Titan Browns as "like MX Browns but sturdier" and
these do not feel nearly as tactile as I'd hoped, if at all
I need me a typewriter keyboard
old marlin
lol
well
I can tell you
they are slightly more tactile than MX browns
you can still get a model m
that switch was used very similarly in actual typewriters
wheat plume
we used pug, express, nodemon and css to make this today in Web Frameworks class :D
pug is strange
its HTML but looks like css in some ways
karmic imp
I know. Unicomp Classic is also on my buylist
But I just saw on NovelKeys that I can legitimately buy MX springs @98g so I might just make custom blues/whites
Buy myself an ErgoBox and swap those springs out
But you say that the Titan Browns are more tactile than MX Browns?
MX Browns must be SOFT AS HELL THEN
Worst case scenarios.
Switches are literally just that, switches. And we got access to good 3D printers.
I'll reject manufacturers' realities and substitute it for my own
karmic imp
@reef patrol hot damn thank you for making me discover the ErgoDox. It looks like I'm gonna be making it my new forever keyboard
reef patrol
My variant.
And this glow in the dark set of keycaps for maximum 90's hacker meme π
karmic imp
That looks like neither the EZ nor the Moonlander. That a Gen1 ErgoDox?
reef patrol
It's the Infinity. (Mass)Drop
reef patrol
It has an oldschool LCD you can program images to for different layers and the default pic. The wristrest was an addon. The entire hand has a bottom plate, and the plexi rests bolt down into that,.
No IC logo on mine - I got it as a review sample so it may have been a pre-production.
karmic imp
aaaah looks like it was a limited drop.
Drop would seem SO interesting if I could afford to spend that much money at the drop of a hat lol
reef patrol
It pops back up every so often. Kono has a waiting list you can join. Might be an ergodox subreddit or something you can sub to.
It's an open source design, so anyone can take it and make their own sub-variant. The Infinity is one of them π
karmic imp
Ehh. Moonlander looks more up my alley anyway.
It's got the "Any" key. What more could you want? π
WAIT
THE WHOLE ERGODOX DESIGN IS OPEN SOURCE?
reef patrol
The ergodox EZ is the "luxury" premade model. It has feet and everything.
https://github.com/Ergodox-io
As far as I understand, yes.
karmic imp
Like. I knew the firmware was open source, and the switches were industry standard
fuck me they do have specs for the PCB and case
fuck meee
where has this been all my life
reef patrol
karmic imp
It's 100% my new forever keyboard. Anyone knows of an open-source mouse? π
karmic imp
...
And I just realized the irony of what's happening.
@reef patrol you made me a liar. because of you my next keyboard will be even smaller than a tenkeyless. To atone for my sins I'm buying an external keypad. πππππ
I'm probably ordering mine on October 9th
reef patrol
karmic imp
...actually that depends entirely on whether the website is in USD or not
because I might need to save up a 2nd paycheck
crisp granite
I'm definitely getting a moonlander
it fills all of my requirements
including PBT caps
karmic imp
I mean
I'm nowhere near techy enough to do that
but the plans for the PCBs are online, and Wooting got a "game API".
What I'm saying is
it's probably 100% possible to make a Wootlander by swapping out the PCB to be Flare/Lekker compatible and implementing the API into Oryx
or the firmware or whatever
crisp granite
do lekkers use standard pin outs?
wait
nope
of course they don't
true
if we find out how the lekker pcbs work, we could just make a moonlander layout and put it in, the moonlander is hot swap, so the switches themselves won't be hard
yup
well
until then, I have an order for a moonlander
that should be good till I can fit it with lekkers
or any contactless switch
karmic imp
I mean
Hopefully it's not a bannable offense, but the pinout of switches can pretty easily be tested and reverse engineered, same for the output ranges, at which point it's a matter of writing the firmware for it
wdym
ah see
crisp granite
bullshit
karmic imp
I didn't say anything about the PCB side of things
It's probable Wooting has an actual processor - maybe a Cortex - on their PCBs to process the analog input
I'm talking purely about the switch level
crisp granite
the adjustable actuation works by measuring a hall voltage, at a certain level, the switch actuates
karmic imp
Because realistically I can see the switch working 2 ways.
It's either got 3 pins (+v, gr and out) or 2 pins and acts as an optically-driven varistor
Yeah as I said
Wooting probably has actual processing. Basic voltage detection can be done with just an integrated chip
crisp granite
can't the just make firmware that allows the keyboard to measure the voltage in stages
multiple actuation points
karmic imp
Nope. At least not in a way that will make sense to Windows
crisp granite
ok
karmic imp
https://www.dummies.com/programming/electronics/components/electronics-components-how-to-use-an-op-amp-as-a-voltage-comparator/ this is probably an idea of how the SteelSeries variable actuation works. It literally just changes the "reference" voltage
Literally zero processing. Just a bunch of power going through IC's.
karmic imp
Call them pins, contact pads, whatever you want. It's a component, it will have an interface to the PCB that's soldered on. And if it's got that, it can be removed, analyzed and reinstalled elsewhere.
crisp granite
no pins or contact pads
crisp granite
that is all pcb-side
crisp granite
the pcb is the sensing assembly
karmic imp
I find that VERY unlikely
crisp granite
karmic imp
It would be incredibly difficult to manufacture a PCB with integrated hardware
That's fine.
Just unsolder the actual detection part from the PCB then.
karmic imp
lmao
it's really not that hard. a touch harder if it's surface mount, but nothing that steady hands and a magnifying glass can't fix
I'm talking worst case scenario
crisp granite
true
karmic imp
Of course if Wooting's willing to sell switches and sensors on their own, it's even less of a problem
crisp granite
then everyone and their dogs will be making custom keebs with wooting switches
I'm all for that
if they do, then I can just hook it up to a controller with qmk and stuff that in my moonlander
karmic imp
Tbh if I can find someone to program Cortex firmware, I'd be down to do the hardware side of custom analog keyboards
karmic imp
I'm just a newb at software and the USB interface standard scares me
But I can design a PCB and assemble stuff
vital bobcat
Will there be a way to use wooting switches in a custom keyboard?
That would be endgame.
vital bobcat
I mean, not always.
karmic imp
Yes, always
vital bobcat
If they donβt sell the switches separately then you canβt.
karmic imp
Wrong. You can buy the keyboard and desolder the switches from the PCB.
vital bobcat
I thought they were hotswap?
karmic imp
Wooting is
vital bobcat
And donβt they have sensors in them?
vital bobcat
Hm...
Seems like a lot of work, but I guess youβre right about there being a way.
karmic imp
Yep. Exactly what I was saying.
Though I will add an addendum:
"Unless the company has spent stupidly large amounts on R&D to implement measures that would prevent the disassembly/usage of components, there's a way if you're willing to put in the effort"
I wouldn't be surprised if Razer had some hardware access management bull on their keyboards for instance
ashen spindle
take this warning kids, dont listen to the Linus WAN show in your car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_smL4VrG9bE
ashen spindle
it is somewhat ironic that linus in that moment is asking about "who to blame for killing" [SLI]
(nobody got injured there)
reef patrol
Yeah 60 is a bit more than city limits π
You can kill people ramming them at city level speeds though. π
You don't need to run into people at 60mph to kill em though.
I mean... us pesky pedestrians kind of have to cross the roads now and then.
"You should have looked out"
Ah yes - The classic shifting of blame π
It doesn't change the argument that a collision at those speeds can kill you. Entirely ignoring the situation around it.
halcyon moss
design better roads :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1l75QqRR48
reef patrol
On that we can agree - People in traffic generally don't pay attention.
If you have buildings on either side of the road, you're going to have to slow down to 50kmh around here. You're in the city.
If you need to go somewhere fast, we've got roads going around the city centre for high volume traffic π
halcyon moss
that vid describes that pretty well
he has an other vid on that :p
suburbs are hell
car hell
Decent bike infra is a lot of work to get right.
don;t go to Copenhagen for best practices :p it achievable but def not the best
weird, because kids do bike a lot right?
there is also nothing to bike to..
anyway.. time for a game of The colonists
halcyon moss
very different kind of cycling we do here π its part of the commute, its not recreational
old marlin
?
pale sigil
Kid learning engineering and electrics etc then there's me on my phone playing among us
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4vrtzXaAec
I love how good people can do deepfakes without access to the actors.
crimson wigeon
What is this advertising reeeee
pale sigil
I just hate selling second hardware in general
ashen spindle
?
reef patrol
I think Callum posted in the wrong channel. I assume it was meant for #πβsecret-funsize-shenanigans π
pale sigil
Correct
shadow minnow
zenith sonnet
zenith sonnet
Anyone not waiting for RDNA2 was going to buy Nvidia for the brand anyway
reef patrol
I know people who have bought full systems with 2080S/2080TI 's because 3000 series was out of stock in minutes.
I also know that ASUS downright lied to suppliers about how many cards they had ready for shipping.
ashen spindle
lul
karmic imp
cries in low-budget
ashen spindle
given amd is slated to release navi2x for the entire stack, should also get a nice option there :p
zenith sonnet
I really hope this is their Zen 2 moment for GPUs
karmic imp
Oh man.
If it is
I'm gonna be so happy
Intel's dominance being challenged was already beautiful, if they can take NVidia down several pegs, the future of computing doesn't look so bleak
But yeah. I got a 1st gen Ryzen 1700X and a 1080, I don't think I'll be upgrading for SEVERAL years unless I get significantly financially lucky
zenith sonnet
I just hope they go all out with a HBM2e beast of a card that competes with the 3090 on performance
Don't care about the price or power draw
karmic imp
I do care about the price.
Power draw me either though, power is cheap here
zenith sonnet
But who knows, we'd be lucky if they can match the 3080 again
karmic imp
But yeah I do want an affordable option. Not everyone can afford to be a computer enthusiast
zenith sonnet
Came close with the VII, then the Supers came
karmic imp
Like seriously though
For a price higher than my entire rig cost, I'd only get raytracing and marginally better performance.
ashen spindle
well, depends on your resolution etc. I can imagine for 1080p you get more form a better cpu than a better gpu
karmic imp
Even at 4k it's still not worth doubling the cost of my rig.
But then again you did make me realize I do have a whole series of bias regarding game development on that front so I'll be quiet lol
reef patrol
I just want that 3080 for some SOLID 1440P 144FPS gaming.
ashen spindle
I mean, if x% improvement is worth it or not is subjective anyway :p
reef patrol
My 2080 can't quite pull that off without some significant reductions in graphics. Especially sandboxy games.
karmic imp
you know I'm kinda curious to know what kind of work you guys do to be able to afford these toys
ashen spindle
I mean, I spend money on basically nothing Β―_(γ)_/Β―
reef patrol
you know I'm kinda curious to know what kind of work you guys do to be able to afford these toys
@karmic imp I don't have any other hobbies or vices. π
karmic imp
even then
reef patrol
At my old work I could realistically set aside money to buy a 3080 every two months.
As a student.
karmic imp
...
I did also remember one very important fact
I forget other countries don't get price gouged like Canada either lol
reef patrol
Oh I wouldn't say that..
A 3080 is around 1300CAD here.
Might be slightly less for the cheapest models.
karmic imp
...okay that's even more bollocks
because even at "only" $1100CAD it'd take me months to save up for it lol
reef patrol
After paying taxes, rent (utilities) and setting aside money for food, I had roughly 600-650CAD a month.
To spend on any kind of luxuries, clothes, PC stuff et cetera.
reef patrol
karmic imp
you know, back on the topic of using Flare/Lekker switches in custom keyboards, and the Wootlander.
I just realized it's an even better idea than I thought - the Moonlander's default firmware already has options to use keys as mouse input so that you don't have to move your hands. Imagine how much control could be had with analog switches instead.
(Which reminds me, I might just try a keyboard-only gaming setup since the Wooting's analog buttons mean I could have the equivalent of two joysticks worth of analog control easily.
Or more.)
...
You know what's a game I want to play with a Wooting now?
Mechwarriors.
reef patrol
Waiting for the next big patch to land before playing Mech 5.
The fact that you don't even have radar is just beyond me π
reef patrol
Nope.
You only have the HUD - and that only spots stuff in front of your cockpit. You can pull up a big circular map of the ... well map, but it doesn't show targets.
Nor do any of your allies report their targets on your HUD.
They're adding this however.
solar hinge
3090 or bust
vagrant marsh
mods already added it tho
i think. 1 mod does add radar but i cant remember if its working
and appearently the epic store launcher is broken as hell
the games i install through epic dont show up on apps & features in windows. because they dont show up there, windows search isnt finding them.
yea, it was supposed to work like that, but i think they didnt continue working on it cause it got confirmed the dlc for mw5 would add it
i dont know what chaff is
i know who jeff is tho
vagrant marsh
today i found out that games installed through the epic store arnt showing up on apps & features. because tehy dont do that, windows doesnt officially recognizes their install. thats why i couldnt find mechwarrior 5 through windows search bar
vagrant marsh
doesnt. it starts egs first
ashen spindle
even with games that dont need egs that happens
sadly no space invaders this time
vagrant marsh
omg
rtx 2000 all over again
that taught me really well. never buy the first batch
crimson wigeon
Am I tripping or did someone move this channel down a spot
true quest
think youre right
ashen spindle
@pale sigil @reef patrol 
pale sigil
Idk what you're on about.
ashen spindle
either one of you could still fix it
frozen anchor
smh
pale sigil
Yall are losing it again.
ashen spindle
just move the channel back up
true quest
literally unusable
reef patrol
Veeeery sus.
true quest
delet server now
reef patrol
What tasks did everyone do?
ashen spindle
uhhh I was doing a scan
true quest
i was reporting data to game talk
ashen spindle
think it was mansen, self report andy
reef patrol
vagrant marsh
i was installing a virus over the network
reef patrol
NGH reported it!
vagrant marsh
tbh, that meme grew old the moment i saw it. i watched 1 meme complication, it had only 1 meme of that game, and almost instantly i got recommended 5 different streamers who played that game. nah ah youtube.
reef patrol
It's a great game. But you watch it for the personalities, not the game.
The deceit is what makes it enjoyable. Just like Mafia and werewolf.
karmic imp
Better than Mafia and Werewolf
Both of those games, you have to worry about who is what - could be the little girl, could be the hunter
Among Us has two roles. The good guys and the bad guys.
I highly recommend. First game basically ever where I enjoy lobbying up with randos.
urban lynx
has flashbacks to TTT
karmic imp
it's basically EXACTLY TTT except with no guns and more structure
cursive summit
Has flashbacks to the time I bought gmod but had no friends to play it with
Mega sad
cursive summit
true quest
cant wait for the second game to drop doe
karmic imp
THAT'S EVEN BETTER
urban lynx
huh. always figured i had more
true quest
mayb decimal is a bug
crimson wigeon
Yeah sounds credible
karmic imp
Fingers crossed
vagrant marsh
correct
you can buy a game on steam, install it, refund it, go offline, and continue playing it, and there wont even be hours logged on your account.
ashen spindle
as much as I would like it, there are about 0 leaks of the actual performance of rdna2
vagrant marsh
yup. its just people claiming there are leaks and it will be more powerful
personally, i wouldnt mind if it were. however, im connected to the green team for a while now. im not sure if i can switch taht easily. its not like cpu's
you can easily switch cpu's and expect the same from them. but graphics cards. i mean, could be the same as gsync/freesync thing. nvidia's raytracing might not be the same as amd's raytracing
ashen spindle
ofc it's not one is using a proprietary version of it with extra hardware while the other side is not wasting die space for custom hardware that gives 0 benefit for other usecases
thick elk
I think the best estimate would be conservative: 3070 level optimistic: a little above 3080 level realistic: trading blows / a bit behind the 3080.
That being said the 3090 in practice is barely faster than the 3080 so there is that.
Power consumtion is most likely also a bit lower so equalized for power, it would not surprise me.
thick elk
I mean pessimistic yea
ashen spindle
I think the big part for beating the 3090 is if it is a memory controller for only gddr6 or if the top sku will have HBM
thick elk
The way I wrote that was utter garbage, I am however not going to change it now.
ashen spindle
bc 16gb gddr6 will lack the bandwith to compete for stuff with the 90
but if its 16 gigs HBM with 80 CU that could beat the Titan in titan workloads as well as rival in rasterization
thick elk
The large cache is suppositely the way the card deals with lower memory bandwidth. I do wonder how that would work out in practice.
ashen spindle
sure for gaming and such, but the 90 is basically a Titan and for tile based rendering or similar stuff you sometimes just needs raw size/bandwidth
thick elk
the 3090 won't be very relevant for gaming for sure. But I don't think AMD even tries to aim for the 3090's niche much with this release.
ashen spindle
doesnt matter how niche it is, if you want to claim "best" you need to have the halo spot
feel like thats more something nice for the devs than something that ends up mattering for the game, not really that input sensitive in an mmo
fickle ore
well it boosts dps/hps and devs can make a harder game with smaller timing windows.. I guess
But the main benefit is..
Can play at high quality.. Dont have to put lowest quality for more dps
Raids are super laggy usually
ashen spindle
honeslty an mmo with such tiny timeframes for anything aside form unintended combos should be trashed as terrible design lol
ashen spindle
nono I get it, I still feel like if such little difference ends up relevant in any way, you have bigger issues to deal with first
fickle ore
PC A with 10 fps in raids vs PC B with 200 fps in raids (lowest setting)
thats 100ms vs 5ms variance
So you reduce damage a mob can do because your non-competitive players will be at 10 fps
otherwise they complain game is broken
cuz can't heal fast enough
ashen spindle
uhhh I'll still stick to my point lol
ashen spindle
and in the end nobody cared and I'm willing to bet that guy deserved the ban
ashen spindle
does it even state that you need your account active to use the oculus?
frozen anchor
they are banning people for making fake accounts?
ashen spindle
like it wouldnt surprise me if you could still use that account to log into oculus stuff
pale sigil
@ashen spindle Also ive been banned on fbook 3 times in 1 year for no reason.
Every time i reviewed it they said it was a mistake.
ashen spindle
ok, again, does that prevent you from using the oculus
bc if not that doesnt matter
ashen spindle
.. thats not my question
pale sigil
No
ashen spindle
ok thats what I've tried to figure out the entire time xD
reef patrol
In similar news - My Twitter account has been flagged for "suspicious behaviour" and now I can't do anything with it. Fecking algorithms
karmic imp
Soz.
Looking into that, I'll be keeping an eye on HP for VR.
Not because of the Reverb G2 - it looks nice and all, but.
Motherfuckers managed to put a RTX 2080 level computer in a BACKPACK FORMAT.
vagrant marsh
Soon β’οΈ
I traded my 1070 for a 2070 as soon as it came out. Big mistake. But i wanted dem 1440p frames
Would ave been better to go for a 1080ti
old marlin
?
cursive summit
He's basically saying Hopper should be the real architecture
vagrant marsh
30 series seem a bigger jump than 20 series
old marlin
2
vagrant marsh
- Super 1.
cursive summit
Well Hopper on 5nm is rumoured to come out next year
Sooo if you can wait, you should prolly wait
vagrant marsh
Ofcourse i can wait. But i aint gonna.
Need dem sweet doom 4k 80 fps
4k on 2k screen
No wait. My tv is 4k. Only 50hz tho i think
chrome estuary
I still want a 3080. I've got a 1080 now and I think it's giving me issues
cursive summit
neat oriole
I suppose NVIDIA was talking about RTX performance
Didnβt they say the 3080 was twice as fast as the 2080 only in RTX and it was like specifically Quake RTX and Minecraft RTX
reef patrol
Yep
neat oriole
Also that graphic is kinda confusing, is it saying the 3070 is as fast as a 2080S?
neat oriole
The lines are just confusing
ashen spindle
Itβs just approximations that slide leaked out from an AiB
neat oriole
Yeah seems like it
neat oriole
Yeah
reef patrol
The lines are just confusing
@neat oriole Not really?
neat oriole
Idk, I thought they were meant like markers along a scale
So I guess the 3060 is gonna be a tiny bit faster than a 2080
Thatβs not bad
old marlin
crimson wigeon
Hmmm optical switches where have I seen that before...
ivory geyser
40x faster... ok xD
ashen spindle
VG has been known for like half a year
ashen spindle
6nm is just refined 7nm
cursive summit
Navi2 on mobile?
ashen spindle
intel is using 6n for XE HPG
cursive summit
Intel's advancements in iGPU tech is basically useless
Navi2 will just blow it out of the water
USB4 as well
So Thunderbolt finally is on AMD devices
Looks like 2021 computing will be very exciting
ashen spindle
we dont really know how much navi2 improves on vega for APUs though
not the same vega as on pc so how much better it is is barely known
old marlin
@crimson wigeon well unlike razer roccat has their own molds for those
and the switches are fine tbh
ivory geyser
I like how all the gaming companies go on about 100mil clicks on a key switch without mentioning the LED lifespan for it
old marlin
@ivory geyser one is MUCH easier to test
crimson wigeon
Nice
old marlin
and roccat users are the kind of guys that complain if their mousepad is worn after 6 years
and then proceed to leave a 1 star amazon rating
because it already died after 6 years
ivory geyser
Wut xD
old marlin
yes
cursive summit
That Palit looks amazing
wheat plume
I really love the arcolinux aliases, they have really nice ones for youtube-dl
zenith sonnet
4% - 6% - 9% faster than a 3080 at FHD - QHD - UHD
And all that for the low, low increase in price of 115%
shadow minnow
Rtx 3090 opinions
zenith sonnet
^
ashen spindle
it's a titan, runs as expected, marketing was stupid as usual
zenith sonnet
Totally not just a Halo product without real purpose
It's not a Titan, though
It's 'Titan-class', meaning gaming performance and VRAM of a Titan, but none of the workstation benefits
Oh, and price
fickle ore
even 3080 is bad, runs hot, uses to mch power, scales like shit and costs too much
and probbaly high rma %
ashen spindle
genuinely wonder if it went like this: "hey we already have a titan rtx what do we call it" "hey what about we dont call it titan so stupid gamers will buy it even more" "wow good idea, they already buy titans for gaming, now we might get even more"
zenith sonnet
It's already started
People start crashing of the 3080's boost too high
ashen spindle
wont have a high rma rate because not a high ammount of purchases happened 
but ye, its basically a vega64 launch on green side
ashen spindle
yup because they blindly trust marketing
zenith sonnet
Fortunately, not many are lucky
pale sigil
Ooft my friend got the 3090
ashen spindle
please call him an idiot from me
pale sigil
All because of the struggle he had in fallout 4 when it came to 4K mod textures and vram
ashen spindle
shadow minnow
it's a titan, runs as expected, marketing was stupid as usual
@ashen spindle it is not
No titan drivers
ashen spindle
yes I know
shadow minnow
Which would be beneficial
shadow minnow
It is like say rtx 2060 is quadro rtx 6000 without
zenith sonnet
Well, 4k mod textures do the same thing to Skyrim
Could crank it up to use 13.5GiB of VRAM
At QHD
ashen spindle
callum tell him a 20gb version of the 3080 is coming soon for much cheaper lmao
I wouldnt care if it were just his money, but this will just end up with nvidia being able to repeat this and end up higher pricing everything in relative terms once again
zenith sonnet
And RDNA2 will most likely come in 16 GiB variants as well
ashen spindle
if he wants a titan to do fallout modding the titan rtx was already a thing
pale sigil
He can do what he wants
zenith sonnet
That's not how this works
You gotta call people out for being stupid
Or they will never know their faults
And others will see it as right
ashen spindle
Sure he can do what he wants, I still hate it because it will cause bad results for me too lul
misty pier
his money 
ashen spindle
His money for this purchase sure, Iβm complaining because it means I need to pay more than otherwise next time around :p
misty pier
ah yeah, scalping is still going on right?
zenith sonnet
Some 'friend' you are...
misty pier
heard the same fate happened to even these cards for crying out loud
ashen spindle
Ofc, this one has only a fracture of the stock compared to the 80
usually titans have low stock and low demand, now they market is as gaming so it's getting hardcore scalped Β―_(γ)_/Β― here's to hope people will get mad at nvidia here for it
ashen spindle
while mostly true, not accurate with 1000usd for the 2080ti
since 1200 was the lowest you could get
I blame amd for not being able to stop halo products aside formt he first ever titan for a few months
nvidia called it a titan in the release, it's not even hidden
crimson wigeon
π π
ashen spindle
yeah, halo product at that time, not really wrong
like that seems like a clear option that is valid for gaming
calling it a gaming card or not doesnt relate to the titan name, if it's better in that task (gaming) then its a valid option
if its 79 instead of 75 frames for 1000$ more? then not really
zenith sonnet
Twitter
zenith sonnet
New rumour: Zen 2 APUs with a 5000 series name
One appeared in the AOTS benchmark database
ashen spindle
ok but that is normal, you have games where the titan was similar to the 690, other it was much faster
zenith sonnet
Lucienne, aka Renoir refresh
ashen spindle
so if in your usecase the titan was much better, it very much was a valid option
the 3090 is 10% better in best usecase
but the 690 was?
670 also isnt on your graph
vagrant marsh
sup guys
zenith sonnet
3090 is stupid, AMD confirms no paper launch for RDNA2, 3080s crash left and right,
@vagrant marsh
vagrant marsh
so just your average day in disappointment country.
zenith sonnet
Oh, and AMD did not clean up their naming scheme, Renoir refresh will be Zen 2 with 5000-series names
wheat plume
fucking hell....... this guy angry -.-
ashen spindle
yup and I sure as hell aint reading a word of it
wheat plume
same...
vagrant marsh
wtf is a DE>
wheat plume
:P you a WM guy?
vagrant marsh
im a horny 30 year old gamer, dont expect me to understand whatever about anything
wheat plume
XD
wheat plume
OOOO, this looks funky and I like it
misty pier
ashen spindle
yesn't
cursive summit
RTX 3080 smokes this shit
ashen spindle
without workstation drivers
cursive summit
Way to pay double for fuck all
Eh I'll keep my eye on 3070 and 3060
3080's nice, but not nice enough
ashen spindle
take a look at cuda cores, do the % of how muhc less cores it is, take a bit less bc slower memory
and you'll know the area it will land in
ivory geyser
@cursive summit 3060ti π
cursive summit
Heard they are getting rid of the "Ti" suffix
Now it's only "SUPER"
Which honestly does give you a better idea than "Ti"
ashen spindle
vagrant marsh
wutt?
ashen spindle
first result is a bit less
vagrant marsh
oh. was that the requirement
pcie 4
yea, but your regular pc doesnt use all that speed
ashen spindle
yes but this is an xbox