I mean... no image. It could be flashing you an SOS and you wouldn't know ๐
#๐โtech
reef patrol
reef tundra
any m.2 slots used?
raw steeple
i mean even if the bios was wrongly going to mobo displays, you've tried both]
reef tundra
amd ryzen has no integrated graphics so dont expect it to
reef patrol
Here's the checklist:
Both power cables into motherboard (NOT an 8pin cable, specifically the 4+4 pin EPS)
CPU aligned correctly (aka. not rotated - golden triangle)
Toss one stick of RAM in to troubleshoot
Graphics card in, power cables in, HDMI/DP from graphics card to monitor
Does it turn on? (Front panel connector)
If you've done all that...something is wrong.
raw steeple
and this is why fixing pcs for a living is pure pain
calm sparrow
Thanks for all the help youve given me tho
reef tundra
Is there a buzzer sound?
raw steeple
best of luck!
calm sparrow
There is no buzzer sound so hopefully thats a good thing
reef tundra
Yea, that would mean bios has failed some check
raw steeple
i had a problem not so while ago and had to rebuild due to a faulty power supply so problems can arise
reef tundra
How much can the psu supply (in watts)?
calm sparrow
430w
reef tundra
That might be cutting too close...
reef tundra
yea, bios wont allow the GPU to run at high power at boot
The motherboard has it if the specifications is correct
`Please follow the steps below to troubleshoot according to the Q-LED indicator :
A. CPU LED light is always ON after power on(indicates no CPU or CPU faulty)
B. DRAM LED light is always ON after power on(indicates no Memory or Memory faulty)
C. VGA LED light is always ON after power on(indicates no Graphics Card or Graphics Card faulty)
D. BOOT LED light is always ON after power on(indicates no boot device or boot device faulty)`
calm sparrow
the most painful thing about this is managing these cables
reef tundra
that is why it is recommended to test the basic assembly before putting it into the case
calm sparrow
I should have done that but at the same time im just trying to get away from my chromebook as fast as possible
reef tundra
and cables become quickly a mess and should be managed as soon as possible to make the unplug reroute stage easier
plus if it wont even boot outside the case it wont work with one
raw steeple
also don't spend hours making cable management amazing without prior testing because oh boy it will make you angry to re-d it all
re-do*
reef tundra
get it booting as fast as possible with as little as possible
makes diagnostics easier
and more manageble
raw steeple
agreed
reef tundra
and less wires everywhere
raw steeple
ans we all make mistakes, the comment before is about me doing that
reef tundra
and some overtighten the screws ๐
calm sparrow
thankfully I have been careful about overtightening
raw steeple
cool
calm sparrow
Stop only a bit after you encounter resistance
Not like a full stop but just resistance
reef tundra
when it begins to touch the pcb
raw steeple
i thought more did this with the cooler installation
raw steeple
im wondering if my 1080ti will run cyberpunk at a decent frame at 3440x1440
going to have to wait for some benchmarks i guess
reef tundra
but most pc;s will not be on washingmachines so sould be fine
calm sparrow
It's nearly a three day weekend so I think I'll continue further tomorrow and take things slower
raw steeple
frame-rate*
pale sigil
Get a 3080 
reef tundra
or two
raw steeple
lol i want one
calm sparrow
How much do they cost
calm sparrow
My build is cheap but it will do if it works
reef tundra
cheap != bad
raw steeple
despite my 1080ti worth less now, it's a good thing that owners have a good upgrade path
calm sparrow
I have to agree on that
reef tundra
bad is hardware that cant be changed and functions poorly
calm sparrow
It's around .9-1k usd
reef tundra
you can always upgrade by upgrading the gpu and if it is good hardware it should work without too much hasle(if at all)
raw steeple
make sure you have a decent psu
calm sparrow
I may go for an upgraded psu to go well with the gpu
reef tundra
also 900 to 1k is quite the budget
calm sparrow
my current one is the gtx 1660 super
reef tundra
good budget tho
reef tundra
xx60 is generally a good gaming on a budget
raw steeple
going from 60 to 144hz monitor has changed my mindset
i now want 120 in games not 60
lol
raw steeple
flight sim is for you!
reef tundra
not especially great but ultra on 4k with 144 fps is very expectations to beat even the best of hardware
1080 60fps on high sould be achievable for most titles
calm sparrow
I really dont see the benefit in 4k when the human eye cant even make out the difference from 2k
reef tundra
it can, but you dont realise it directly
4k on my 15.6 inch is noticible
but gpu wont like that
calm sparrow
The main reason I went so cheap is because my dad's a cheap fuck so convincing him on it was a pain
calm sparrow
4k on a tv makes some sense yeah
reef tundra
144 is ๐ฆ
calm sparrow
144hz?
reef tundra
it makes it feel sooooooo smoooooth
raw steeple
i regret not doing it sooner
reef tundra
i am playing silver 1
calm sparrow
How powerful of a pc would it take to run goddamn yanderesim at 1080p60
reef tundra
also known as trackpad or smurf ville
a quantum computer
it has really bad optimisation problems
calm sparrow
A guy who had a really good like super computer found that GTA5 runs better on high settings as well than yandsim
reef tundra
it mostly comes from the ui renderer rendering invisible ui for every object in the entire map
the buttons prompts
even testing for objects far away
calm sparrow
I feel bad for that one guy who converted all the code for yandev only to be rejected because "its foreign to me"
reef tundra
also known as "I AM GOD AND HE DARES TO DEFY ME, I WILL SMITE YOU WITH MY SKILLS".
or it can mean "let him worry about the code as i have no degree in programming and he does so probably knows what he should be doing "
CRT be like: hello zoomer i am boomer and i go ZOOOOOOOOOOOM
Also great it finnaly is in C# and not javascript the imposter varient of edmescript.
Where things go deprecated to live on a daily basis to just go back again
Also heard that he got a full body "hug" doll.
Twice
wheat plume
reef tundra
as he broke the fist one
with the proof either very eloborite or damning
Mac has the same roots as Linux and what if they run mac under linux?
wheat plume
But to use adobe software???
To make basic document reports??
And they also get funded by google to help make chromeOS
reef tundra
and if the foundation is so bad for it and make your own foundation
wheat plume
Do google just see a bunch of linux foundation employees using mac and iphone? Anytime there is a meeting with them?
reef tundra
you can also fuck these companies over quite easily
make foundation, grab money
fork and abondon
and these companies dont like open source as it doesnt make them money
and greed will consume
and adobe can rot in hell for their greed and gluttenous lust
steal from the rich and give to the masses
reef tundra
because they are a service company not software
wheat plume
and adobe can rot in hell for their greed and gluttenous lust
@reef tundra adobe are the fucking worst
reef tundra
and services in corperate settings make a shit ton
and their service is for most companies the best option as you would know that they are aleast experts and will get the job done
red hat is known for its security focus nature and who would know better than the ones who maintain it? With the thirdparty you dont know if the settings are all set correctly, updates are most recent, security is setup correctly and not bare basics. So why spend a lot of money and it might be done good or hire red hat to set it up correctly. But feel free to do it yourself and even check out how it works, maybe hire red hat for a lesson about it.
Also the "not our problem" is null as they are the ones that can change what they want and again its open source so changing the code to fit your needs is possible
Also service contract are expensive jeees
Some products are litterly only expensive due to the service contract with it, Which makes the lives easier who have to work with it
The 24/7 service every day of the year, call to solve is really mice for executives as they dont have to worry about it not working, if the company is working in good faith*.
wheat plume
The lack of incremental updates in EvoX sucks when wifi is so slow
wheat plume
O.o
reef tundra
aarch64
not technically arch as in it is independant project but uses the same package manegement so pretty much arch
wheat plume
uses the same package manegement so pretty much arch
@reef tundra
That will piss off A LOT of Arch users :') I nearly got banned from Unix porn for saying I used arch but I was actually using Manjaro
reef tundra
haha idiots
Dont even know why arch is arch
pkgbuilder
that is the good stuff the rest is bloat
Manjaro is fundamentally arch
you can even turn manjaro into arch
altho why
installing and switchout out is easier
Manjaro is arch + QoL features(which may be bloaty, but work and make drivers and starting out way easier)
pretty hard to just teach someone the entire boot process and how systemd differs from xorg(or the difference in wayland and xorg and that sometimes they can coexist) or what a display manager, window manager or desktop enviorment and what each one specifically does. Or how to solve systemd from harming itself
or what a device, partion, filesystem or lvm are
New users are welcome and are recommended to start with the 'easy' distro's first and if the disto hold your hand too much to replace it with a lower down disto/install. If you want to learn or want to finely tune the system you can but you dont need a icbm missle to break a stick in half
If that bothers you go work at it support for a few weeks
then try to argue how the user will learn it
reef tundra
I started with Manjaro aswell. I am no fool, that cant see whats ahead but continues to speed anyway cus it is coool. to later end up in the news as the worlds biggest loser
While not even knowing how to drive
Also those who RTFM people stop it. You are useless and toxic, at least link it then the correct page/
wheat plume
Ikr...
reef tundra
give information RTFM is not that
it is a read the manual answer while you are telling them the power cable is broken
also there is not really THE manual it is a manual that can be done
the wiki is a index of index to pages so good luck with finding what you need with no info
and sometimes the brain is just unable to read and skips over the text not realising it
Much easier to tell them to follow the installer and reboot and it should work
Then slowly introduse the concepts as needed
as a wiki is structured
Change as they need it to change and make it what they need it to be not the coomers wet dream
also when does an arch system become the manjaro system if you kept installing the seperate tools and added them to arch?
What does it take to be the manjaro system
the logo in neofetch?
or the self reported distro system name?
but what they do have is the aur and pacman with pkgbuilder so that is something
wheat plume
Can you get the mhwd stiff in plain Arch ?
reef tundra
you can
wheat plume
The stuff that auto installs nvidia drivers and kernels and stuff
reef tundra
but then again
wheat plume
Ohh right on
reef tundra
it takes quite some work
wheat plume
Oh..
zenith sonnet
On the topic of RTFM, if it's in a Wiki, you should have checked that first...
reef tundra
if not done with some premade scripts
Then can they aleast give the page where to look
and not "somewhere"
zenith sonnet
Lots of people ask questions all the time they could have easily answered themselves with a wiki query
reef tundra
Then give the generic instructions how to use the searchbar
wheat plume
The bigger issue is when they ask you for log files or whatever and you have no idea what they mean or how to get that information
And you can't ask so you give up
reef tundra
Then ask for the log files with the generic instruction to get them. even a bot can be used to get the posts ready for answers
or checkboxes with the type of problem which always need a log file to be only postable with the log file
or to make those posts hidden for the users that dont want them
or make a special distro to seperate the users and give it a lot of helper tools to get going
but instead of helping or helping others, they press special buttons type 4 letters in caps post it and then continue on
mmmm that is pretty much the average 4chan thead lol
wheat plume
:')
reef tundra
POST 3 IDIOT YOU KNOW RULES>!>!>!>!>!>!>>!>!>!>!>!> IT HAS BEEN 3 SECONDS ALREADY !!!!!
wheat plume
LEtS USe AdOBe To CReaTe a BaSiC aSs SlIDeShoW taLKiNg abOuT lInuX KernEl HisTorY whILe alSo usINg MaCOs
reef tundra
Imagine having to run bloat to run a presentation with text which makes the laptop take off
XD
opening powerpoint alone is reason enough to panic and blast the fans at 100%
It knows what is about to happen
WACKY EFFECTS
also never buffer anithing
so animations are nice and choppy
and ooh boi dont try to use links as they will bare;ly work and make it lag like the processor does something
calm sparrow
i may not be as dumb as to overtighten shit, but I was rarted enough to forget about the 1tb hard drive leaving me with 250gb, not bad, but fuck do I feel stupid.
reef tundra
install on the 250gb and clone the installed os later to the new 1tb
calm sparrow
Neat
reef tundra
as it would be no problem to expand the storage than to shrink it :). Just add the unused new space at the end of the 250gb and if the system wants use it how it pleases. but the exact order file systems etc should work the same as for a larger hdd
and filesystems can be fragmanted to still function. But it would be good to run a defregment tool to sort that out when filesystems get repartisioned
or make the new room a games partion and use it for games
It can be useful to have some hdd with the games on there as steam should recognise them(if added to the install locations).
Making it easier to play games on other devices without having to redownload them
reef tundra
aw hell yea we got a reference pcb. สทสฐแถฆแถสฐ แตโฟแต? very epic indeed
end up only being a pdf with the sizing. To show their appriaction
ashen spindle
to think the first big navi hint comes from fortnite lmao
6000 series branding "confirmed" I guess https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6000-big-navi-teased-in-fornites-easter-egg
old marlin
best packed psu I have seen ngl
ashen spindle
lol
ashen spindle
hermes?
reef patrol
That uh... that wouldn't have been shipped around here.
It would have been assumed broken out of its box.
ashen spindle
idk I could see hermes or amazon logistic not give a shit
reef patrol
I meant postal - Anyone handling that would have taken it back to their shipping centre calling it damaged ๐
ashen spindle
yeah I know, I dont see most drivers for those two caring about anything except getting the job done fast
reef patrol
Beats having to deal with the recipient complaining about the broken package.
ashen spindle
so they'll just deliver it without signing idk
reef patrol
No such thing here. In hand delivery, or you get to pick it up at the closest postal dropoff spot.
Unless you very specifically sign a "not our problem" disclosure thing where they can drop it somewhere specified in the agreement.
ashen spindle
I think its the same here usually but with covid it just got worse with deliveries not caring about that
anyway, for a more tech related thing
looks a bit like rivertuner stats?
but nice to have it from the vendor directly as an option
esp since its vendor agnostic
calm sparrow
Fucking christ, I took today to take out some of the parts so it'd be easier to see what i fucked up
I am going to see whether i did something braindead like put the usb plug in the wrong port
calm sparrow
After some investigation with my friend, I have indeed recieved either a bad psu or a bad motherboard
Because the cpu cable is stuck to the fucking mobo
ashen spindle
I guess that's fine and just weird then
ashen spindle
modular psu up until pickup lel
old marlin
Lol
vagrant marsh
well, this will be my last day of gaming
tomorrow im gonna return my pc for repairs
ashen spindle
curious decision to do that on a weekend
vagrant marsh
not at all. i dont want to send it with a delivery service. i dont trust those degenerates that dare to call themselves delivery men/women. ive seen vids of the abuse. im not gonna take the chance. so coinsidentally, i need to pick up my parents tomorrow from their holiday. which just so happens to be in the same direction the store is located at. so i pick up my parents, deliver the pc, wait there for bout half an hour and if they cant fix it in that time they will keep the pc and i will be on my way home and wait for them to send it to me.
ashen spindle
sooo in the end its most likely still staying there over the WE bc there is no way they are open sunday
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ashen spindle
are you sure its a pc shop not a barber shop
vagrant marsh
could be.
pale sigil
Maybe they cut hair on the side
vagrant marsh
i once bought work boots from a tire center ๐ maybe this is a barbershop that sells pc's
yes
maybe he meant that they wont fix it on saturday, closed on sunday, and then continue working on it, wasting a day of not having a pc
ashen spindle
yup
vagrant marsh
but that is under the assumption i dont have another pc
ashen spindle
given you said its your last day gaming
vagrant marsh
true. i dont have a pc thats capable of playing the games im normally playing ๐
vagrant marsh
yup. i still have an intel pc usb stick
dont ask me why, it was on a huge sale at hte time
maybe it works with geforce now
maybe it wont work at all, i have it laying in the trash box for some time now
with all the old electronics i never use any more
no, cause it aint getting recycled anyway. throwing it away would be wasting it away, atleast now i still have a use for it 'sometime' in life
you never know when someone comes to your house and ask for 5 power cables
i am organized. thats why i keep it all in a box
vagrant marsh
how could you even check a defective cpu
replace it with another cpu and see if the problem persist? XD
zenith sonnet
Put it in a known working system and see what happens
vagrant marsh
i dunno what the shop will do.
zenith sonnet
Do just that. Or try a known working CPU in your system
vagrant marsh
i dont just have another cpu lying around
zenith sonnet
The shop will have one
vagrant marsh
yea
zenith sonnet
Also, Nvidia marketing: let's benchmark a game that's vram starved on the 2080 to make the 3080 look better
vagrant marsh
2080ti has 11gigs, 3080 has 10gigs
zenith sonnet
Independent benchmarks will look good, but nowhere near as good as Nvidia wants you to believe
2080 has 8 GiB
vagrant marsh
yea, but its not compared with the 2080, but with the 2080ti
vagrant marsh
even the 3070 is compared with the 2080ti, delivering the same power for almost a third the price
zenith sonnet
3080 Ti will come 4-6 months down the line, when they need it
vagrant marsh
i dont think rdna2 will add much value over nvidia
i mean, amd themselves say they had new hardware that can top the 2080 ti.
zenith sonnet
It will be competitive in perf/watt and perf/$
vagrant marsh
that means they didnt look beyond the 2080 ti
zenith sonnet
Can it beat the 3080 and 3090? We'll see
zenith sonnet
We have no idea how AMDs raytracing will perform in benchmarks, though
vagrant marsh
amd makes rdna2 after nvidia came out with the 2000 series, which means that is their goal. toppling the 2080 ti. they said so themselves. its not rumors. they say rdna2 will be better than nvidia's 2080ti. however, now nvidia came with hardware that is mid-range market that tops the 2080 ti.
which means that once again, AMD isnt focussing on be ahead on the market, but be as good as
zenith sonnet
That makes no sense
zenith sonnet
Nah, they had plenty of lead in the past. Adoption is another story
AMD is usually the one to bring new features to the market
vagrant marsh
yes, and whatever lead they had, they lost it big time
sure, 1 AMD has to fight 2 companies. nvidia and intel
but even with their 'our stuff are for the masses' the masses aint willing to change to quickly.
ofcourse, im not just blatantly hating on amd. i upgraded from the 6700k to the 3600 cause it was better value than what intel came up with. still does. 10000 series are hardly to be called an upgrade. just throw more power at it.
however, just 1 generation of setbacks, is that enough to persuade the market to go for amd? just because intel's 10nm is a bust, doesnt mean their next gen's are. though its impressive AMD uses 7nm, intel still seems to be able to hold its own with 14nm. whatever advantage amd had, they seem to not make use of it, atleast only partially. 7nm is half the size of 14nm, yet the gains arnt twice as much.
does that sound illogical that when you use half the nm, the gains arnt twice as much? they should be, right?
5700xt is 7nm. 2080 ti is 12nm. the 5700xt should be better, right? then why isnt it? what is holding AMD back?
why is amd afraid to lead by design?
they done something innovative, but somehow squander it
ashen spindle
5700xt is 7nm. 2080 ti is 12nm. the 5700xt should be better, right? then why isnt it? what is holding AMD back?
@vagrant marsh holy shit I wish I had as much confidence in anything as you do into marketing numbers
can you even tell me what the nm number represents and where the differences are
reef tundra
Mmm yes 3
vagrant marsh
reef tundra
Great number
vagrant marsh
lets put it this way. amd is on 7nm now. intel is still at 14nm and is able to match it. what will happen when intel uses 7nm? will they be able to outclass amd's 7nm?
please tell me if that sounds logical or no
ashen spindle
I repeat, can you tell me what these numbers mean
vagrant marsh
smaller nm means more stuff per area
ashen spindle
congratz, you completely fell for the marketing name
vagrant marsh
then you tell me what it really is
nm is nm no?
how can nm not be nm
if nm is not nm then they market it wrong
ashen spindle
because ever since FinFet, which intel introduced around 28nm iirc, maybe 32, transistors are no longer planar but go up vertically so you can no longer define the characteristics by gate length anymore
ah, 22nm, mixed that up for intel
vagrant marsh
its youtube
ashen spindle
thats from some comic artist, I remember the character
vagrant marsh
ashen spindle
but idk from where
vagrant marsh
there
ashen spindle
ah right, shelby
vagrant marsh
Comic by Shubbabang
damn, that shit cracks me up every time. the face she makes at hte end
my humor is simple
BUT THEN WHYYYYYYYYYYY
ashen spindle
https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-manufacturers/samsung-foundry/8157-tsmc-and-samsung-5nm-comparison/ semiwiki is probably the best side if you want to compare foundry nodes
vagrant marsh
do they make a big deal out of the whole smaller nm thing if it doesnt hold true any more
ashen spindle
you see, there are suggestions to rename the nodes to comparable names
tsmc first came out with the idea, intel ignore it bc they had the lowest numbers, now thats changing and suddenly intel wants to rename the nodes
is it four years wide though?
I'd say in 4 years nvidia released 1.5 gens and not 2
lul fair
I'm just hoping they can make decent drivers bc that should be enough for rdna2 to win
at least the marketing team has a good start, the fortnite easter egg is better than what they did the last decade already
crimson wigeon
Never forget that awful Vega marketing
ashen spindle
ngl I have actually already forgotten it
and I think thats for the better
the first marketing piece for big navi was good so lets hope it stays on that road
calm sparrow
after further investigation and testing that it is most certainly my psu that's fault
calm sparrow
Thankfully
vagrant marsh
last day i can game and i waste my time watching the same youtube vids over and over again
i love myself
vagrant marsh
quintosh says marketing ruined my perception about nm
maybe your marketing only made me believe wooting was good
ashen spindle
if mansen was involved with marketing every kb came with a duck keycap I bet
ashen spindle
yes that was exactly what I thought of
pale sigil
Haha ye
As for marketing and wooting there isn't much of it
Marketing people sell lies :p
That's a sector I find extremely fun but have no respect for
urban lynx
... cant be bothered to open up my computer and dig out the psu from its own compartment
vagrant marsh
luckily i went for a 750w supply when i bought my pc. i knew the next gen could end up power hungry
most people probably got around 600 tho
thick elk
Still a good 600w should be enough most of the time with a 3090
vagrant marsh
maybe if your cpu doesnt use too much
sharp tusk
750w if you have something like 10900k spiking at 300w
urban lynx
i just opened up my excel table where i had listed my stuff, there is a 650w one listed, but with a link to a site that i know i didnt order it from
thick elk
even then a good 600w can handle more than 600w on the 12v at least a bit, I only think it would be a problem if you plan to combine furmark with prime95 small fft's or something like that.
sharp tusk
650w is fine if you have any consumer ryzen
thick elk
10900k running at spec is also perfectly fine
thick elk
I also have 650w, I really should get something to measure my power consumption at some point
xfx ts here
reef tundra
Marketing is the art of bending the truth untill it becomes what we want it to mean. Telling in effect lies but without the legal baggage attached.
https://media.tenor.com/images/80bfb0a97623d9ec65b834cd0874465e/tenor.gif
reef tundra
Peak currents can be the problem
thick elk
I don't have an UPS nor any way to measure it. I only have a thing to measure usb power consumption.
Most power supplies don't trip from small peaks unless they are really high.
urban lynx
i uh, idk how i'd be able to measure the power consumption
does this msi afterburner record it?
thick elk
Only really accurate way would be from the wall then take the efficiency into account, I just want to know out of curiosity mostly.
sharp tusk
you need power meter to the wall, the sensors are not reliable enough for that
urban lynx
thick elk
What Nvidia / the board partners recommend is also based on somewhat crappy psu's. Not the chinese ones that plain lie but the ones that say 750w while only being able to pull 600 on the 12v line.
reef tundra
Also called the inrush current and some devices can be very problematic for this. As the transformer is just a looped wire around some metal core thus a dead short would technically exist for a very short time while the magnetic field are being made and inturn create a countering voltage . But for some fuses they respond too quickly and will go into this on/off cycle if allowed to auto-reset
These are known to be enoumous amount of current not uncommon to see 1000 or more amps at the peak
sharp tusk
which is why you dont run PSU at the limit, and any decent PSU has safety measures for spikes
reef patrol
What Nvidia / the board partners recommend is also based on somewhat crappy psu's. Not the chinese ones that plain lie but the ones that say 750w while only being able to pull 600 on the 12v line.
@thick elk That's a dangerous assumption.
reef tundra
Some have cold starting feature to mitigate this
Pretty much using pwm and slowly giving it more power
Electro motors have the same issues due to the same setup but have this moving mass to deal with which has energy and really would like to dump it into your power supply ๐ a good few KV of it.
wheat plume
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PDL13XF
This is shady
misty pier
i should be good if i plan on upgrading later down the line
wheat plume
clearly a raspberry Pi but they dont call it that
wheat plume
idk
misty pier
where do you slot it into
reef tundra
there is a legitimate product that Raspberry has made and sold as the compute modules. The slot is from a memory sodimm connector (ddr2 slotten?) but this is a remake/fake/sneaky peaky like
ashen spindle
product titles also seems accurate
reef tundra
Pretty much the soc and essensial hardhardware and that is everything
might have been for the industry? but dont seem too successfull
yea, The Compute Module 3+ (CM3+) is a Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ in a flexible form factor, intended for industrial applications
wheat plume
LEL
reef tundra
ooh it has more gpio to make the power get overdrawn
wheat plume
Him: says shit made in china is shit
Also him: has phone that's made in china
reef tundra
Yes the chinese put in their ehhh china thing and ehhh china bad (real shady tho) and they self destruct for lols and giigles
wheat plume
Xd
reef tundra
you know that silicone could have on a chinese machine using chinese software that is also used in the chinese production. Which eh m8 it wont matter here you will do that it will still cut the backdoors/selfdestruction executable.
wheat plume
I'm surprised that trump still allows xiaomi and oppo and samsung and vivo and OnePlus to sell in america
Considering those are chinese too and he banned hauwei
reef tundra
yea, the government is pretty much a one of their board members. If any chinese company gets big they could to it which is really recomended
thick elk
I know that there are at least some, retro handheld consoles that use these, because raspberry pi emulator support is in a pretty good state. The compute module is a better formfactor than having a hole raspberry pi.
reef tundra
as eh, they want some of that dough and you dont want the police on the front door for treason do you, mr?
Which they will deny at all costs
wheat plume
Well
Samsung are korean
reef tundra
yes they are
and those countries have a big feud
mostly hidden from the rest of the world
Also japanese gvernment did a 
move
ashen spindle
and the others are fairly small, I barely know the name, so what would the point be to ban them
wouldnt really change much
reef tundra
Viernam vs china was also really bad for china
as they got their asses beaten
by some farmers with aks
that also fought and won from the US invasion
thick elk
Do note that vietnam still got a good amount of soviet support
ashen spindle
anyway, the fact that huawei makes phones is the smallest part of the issue, makes no sense to take a look at chinese companies just for phones
reef tundra
they mostly send guns, ammo, medication and food tho. Direct involvement would be an act of war
thick elk
China on the other hand had an army that was in a very bad state but I doubt they would have done that well without soviet support.
But that's just my poor knowledge about the subject so don't listen too me.
reef tundra
Are they having a short supply?
vagrant marsh
i think im ultimately going for this one
but its weird you cant pre order the rtx 3000. i cant remember a time where nvidia actively didnt allow manufacturers to not pre sell it
wow. creating a post asking about why you cant pre order the post gets automatically removed
reef patrol
vagrant marsh
well, im gonna shower and then prep my pc to go to the store.
jeruzalem, signing off
reef tundra
censorship is a good indication that they are hiding something and cant handle any backless or dank memiing
vagrant marsh
Interesting. As i install the old memory and stress test it to make sure its atleast stable, i notice the motherboard chipset fan isnt running.
reef tundra
uh did you connect the cable
vagrant marsh
Ahh, there it goes
reef tundra
lag
ashen spindle
sounds like intended behavior unless you run something that routes over it
vagrant marsh
I think high threshold.
vagrant marsh
Motherboard temp went from 35 to 36 and it kick started on
ashen spindle
dont really want to run the fan while its not really used
wheat plume
wish I knew this for my project....
reef tundra
you dont dont want to know java
ashen spindle
I mean yes its nice, but in the end just saves you a bit of typing
vagrant marsh
@wheat plume hi bob
wheat plume
ashen spindle
why is there a tutorial on this lmao
crimson wigeon
Doesn't that work by the methods simply returning the modified object (I haven't seen how it actually works)
wheat plume
this guy makes tutorials for a lot of concepts in Java
Doesn't that work by the methods simply returning the modified object (I haven't seen how it actually works)
@crimson wigeon yep
crimson wigeon
So it's not Java specific
ashen spindle
nope not at all
crimson wigeon
And I have a hot take I don't like that style very much
wheat plume
my members object has 23 variables
I wish I knew this
23 lines of code to make a new member
xd
to setup the information
ashen spindle
uhh that sounds like a case where you dont want to do this and set a reference once and then use that one
wait nvm I guess you can make it so it still works
ashen spindle
nah he just makes it so that the method call returns the student object
I really dont like that part
reef tundra
set pointer to most of that pathing and keep the first part seperate as they are functionally i,portant but wont be usefull in the actual code and only slow you down. also operations that are somewhat costly to performe sould be done as much as possible cashed. and changing it later wont be a nightmare as each time the name has to be correct etc..
type less do less and save time
ashen spindle
you are talking to someone using java, what is a pointer, what is performance :p
ashen spindle
ya
reef tundra
also why is the print so long it is being java
it is my debugger let me prinf in peace and off my keybinds it was or something.
untill learned the ide already had it build in
Also people are really trying to sell their gpu quite cheaply
why are they selling already?
wont they have no videocard for months waiting for release
ashen spindle
months is an interresting unit of time when they are out in 1/2 weeks
reef tundra
oh wait, realyl
reef tundra
because normally it would be like that for the hype to build up
ashen spindle
that has never been the case
build hype then release when people forgot about it already??
vagrant marsh
Maybe all the leaks might make it seem like we know about them for months
vagrant marsh
wheat plume
xd
reef tundra
wheat plume
im depressed
my computer is borked
I tried 2 solutions I found to fix it and no go
reef tundra
ha have more kernels
also arch kernel was somehow not working but the manjaro dit barely as i dont want to solve those dependancy cries
Pretty good for 2 months of nothing
wheat plume
wat
reef tundra
could be that I broke them last time and forgot what
wheat plume
oh
reef tundra
my memory is pretty bad but sometimes not
reef tundra
then it can remember very specific verbatum random fact that was overheard when waiting for the train weeks later
its great and not as sometimes its just repeating it and hoping not to forget it before i can write it down
wheat plume
I need new PC so bad
AGHHHH
I can afford a decent PC, a GTX 1660 TI
not a bad card
reef tundra
mm upgrade is usually better
wheat plume
boi, have you seen my PC?
reef tundra
oh no
wheat plume
good joke
wheat plume
good luck upgrading this
reef tundra
signle core, 1 ghz, ...............................................................................................................................................................
ashen spindle
almost lul
reef tundra
that is a cardinal sin against humanity
reef tundra
my eyes are sin
wheat plume
where you get that from?
reef tundra
atoms can be very non-performant
reef tundra
dont worry aboot it
wheat plume
a desktop version also
reef tundra
should be fine
wheat plume
are your eyes having a stroke?
reef tundra
the alien is making me have area 51 raid flashbacks
brave men to make the dream come true
wheat plume
I cant find a good spec list
ashen spindle
bc the specs are not good 
reef tundra
those usb ports are 2.0
wheat plume
the official document has them spread over many pahes
reef tundra
thats cringe
wheat plume
the front ones are, the back 2 are USB 3
reef tundra
when usb 3 was more expensive than usb 2
reef tundra
good version tho
wheat plume
It was before SteamOS cause it was meant to run SteamOS but it was delayed
wheat plume
So they put their own overlay ontop of windows and tossed in a wireless xbox 360 controller too in the box xd
wheat plume
brb I need food
reef tundra
and eh choose some random model
yea, the console gamers need more choice it was their biggest complaint
oh no that is the reason it was so popular
wheat plume
huh?
reef tundra
when they launched it wit like a lot of consoles
3 or 4 or n
which was a big problem already
which one to buy for the grandkids
It did make valve/+steam invest into linux for gaming
wheat plume
Valve are great for Linux gaming
proton is amazing
able to play so much games with little to no modifying by the user
reef tundra
it works wonders for the lack of documentation it has to work with
wheat plume
true true
Glorious Eggroll also makes really nice custom versions of Proton
for specific games
reef tundra
directx 12 documentation is hard to get i remember especialy the ones for the lower level drivers/api/dll/spyware/systemd/minecraftredstone/windows
wheat plume
o
reef tundra
I know, Why windows is there
wheat plume
maybe they think if there is too much documentation, people will be able to reverse engineer it
reef tundra
most definitely
wheat plume
and if that happens then they wont retain a lot of gamers :')
reef tundra
vulkan will suppass them with relly quickly
reef tundra
and that is epic
reef tundra
Epic has been corrupted by the china virus called tencent
ashen spindle
ah yes, I too hate the company that is trying to make live better for consumers
wheat plume
?
ashen spindle
why do you hate epic
wheat plume
Tell me anything that Epic do thats good for the consumer?
reef tundra
imagine typing 'yay' and updates
ashen spindle
they are literally in a lawsuit against apple and google so they are less of a monopol
reef tundra
epic was being anti consumer by forcing their platform
wheat plume
and taking games from steam
reef tundra
not even others were spared
wheat plume
even pre ordered games
reef tundra
gog got fucked as well
wheat plume
yeah :/
ashen spindle
yes they "took" 3 games for a limited time, maybe it was 4, I dont agree with that method either
reef tundra
but they smart. so money safe is here and no problen. we still have vodka
ashen spindle
you are also aware they made it cheaper for the consumer? they didnt try to take away apples cut and take it, they made it cheaper for the user compared to the apple option
reef tundra
also there were cases it did not
same price
they could litterly just not take any cut if they really cared
30% cheaper than steam
ashen spindle
... that's not really a buisnessmodel you want to promote
also, why do you think EA games are on steam again?
reef tundra
with a cashcow as fortnite could create the maerket they promised they would be
ashen spindle
bc epic got ubisoft on board so EA got a better deal, so due to EGS we have less storefronts
reef tundra
but it was lackluster and had very ,little value to add
or dump a lot into gog to make drm free games more popular and it has nice launcher
ashen spindle
but yes, because of the 3 or 4 times they didnt let you get a game on steam (for 6 months) when it was on there already, they really are a bad company
wheat plume
reef tundra
that tries to integrate with all
ashen spindle
yes they didnt instantly add everything to it obviously
it takes time to migrate an entire system
wheat plume
this was my fav racing game before I found Distance <3 https://store.steampowered.com/app/297860/SplitSecond/
memories
reef tundra
more like a year
ashen spindle
but take a look at the new star wars game
reef tundra
and suddenly
ashen spindle
you still need an EA account but you wont even need origin anymore for it
ashen spindle
and even if "worst" case devs dont forward any of the savings they get from a lower cut, it still allows them to get more and maybe make better games or make a sequel etc.
wheat plume
you still need an EA account but you wont even need origin anymore for it
@ashen spindle oooohhhhhhhhh
reef tundra
they added stickers and eh hoped they could just take exclusivity weeks from release
ashen spindle
like yes, of course epic is not doing this out of pure goodwill, they want part of steams share, doesn't mean the changes they want to make are not beneficially for everyone aside from steam/apple/google
reef tundra
but they were the good guys of the story
and the good guys fight the angry titan steam destroying the market by releasing vr experimentals
ashen spindle
I do have to say, sometime it's really hard to follow where your points are going
reef tundra
mmm could be that epic was doing a forcefull takeover but with digital storefronts while telling the public they were being the good guys
ashen spindle
I mean, a forcefull takeover with better conditions? idk where the issue would be
reef tundra
why not change that when you have that market share?
ashen spindle
because there are contracts, terms that people know, and people that would complain and just not use your platform anymore if you go back on your word
its not like steam will be stubborn and not change anything and lose everything
it only took EGS exsiting for a short while and suddenly you could get down to like 20% cut, albeit for very high selling titles
reef tundra
but are they going to keep doing those sales at that volume and that amount a year from now?
ashen spindle
ofc not, the change is only to keep the big guys on steam without them worrying too much about losing money, but it not affecting steam at all
it's 100% part of why EA is back on steam
the cut is on a per game basis, unless for special contracts
reef tundra
could and miight be a possible loss leader trick.
and if epic was actually cheaper compared to steam why go there?
reef tundra
It is quite ironic it only worsen the diversity thus missing their (epic) hope and goal with this move to create more options for the consumer...
Did they actually ever cared for the consumer? other than it being better for developers which might trickle down
ashen spindle
developers are consumers for epic
they have an open source engine, they just reworked the terms that make it much much better to use
helping devs or consumers in any form helps the other
reef tundra
If they would willingly vendor lock themselves to epic
reef tundra
using the unreal engine, the epic store
reef tundra
as that would save the 5% licencing fee
but would make you more reliant on epic in the process
which sometimes turns into a takeover
ashen spindle
no? just release it on both platforms then, if if 5% buy it on egs you still get more money
reef tundra
when the mask gets removed and they show their true intents
ashen spindle
unreal doesnt even make sense for every game to use
and whats the bad thing that would happen? oh no, everyone is using unreal and doesnt have to pay any fees
reef tundra
but could be geniune and they are just very bad intheir methods
because that makes them the monopoly
ashen spindle
their true intents is a mixture of wanting to make it better for everyone, which includes themselves and making money in the process
reef tundra
and monopolies raise prices because they can
ashen spindle
ok so should steam keep the current one and not change beause epic might become steam 2.0 10 years later?
doesnt make much sense
reef tundra
which they hurl themselves around
ashen spindle
you're getting into very unlikely scenarios, that completely ignore everything up to that point
its not like once epic has the monopoly, someone else couldn't do what they are doing rn
reef tundra
true monopolies will never happen as they would have to completely lock the market in
no one else may enter
ashen spindle
then I dont understand your point, whats the issue
reef tundra
The biggest are the exclusivity deals Would be the main one.
Their possible strongarming into the market
they are buying quite some companies the last 2 years
before that they last bought one in 2008
they are specin the unreal engine out
crimson wigeon
So what, are they gonna do the whole launch stream kind of thing in Fortnite?
reef tundra
they link to an article an found this on under that one https://hothardware.com/news/adobe-flash-microsoft-edge-browser-2020-support-end
big news
somehow
not the beloved flash player
also when was the last time i needed to use the flashpayer?
When minecraft is too difficult to play 
zenith sonnet
So many people are so salty AMD is so quiet
They want to feel affirmed that buying a 3000 series card is the right thing because AMD didn't deliver
reef tundra
Hello Mr. Octavian Morosan. I am contacting you as a representative of the NSA. Recent reports say that you are playing a children's card game and spilling PJSalt everywhere. The PJSalt is clogging our network and blocking our abilities to spy on you and the rest of Canadaland. I am going to have to ask you to stop the salt as it is a threat to national security. Please don't copy paste this official document. This is serious.
so, what is amd to do? corperate espionage?
shadow minnow
@reef tundra PJSalt on you
ashen spindle
Oh my god I got a genius idea
What if amd copies what fortnite does with concerts
And holds the launch ingame
crimson wigeon
Yeah, that would certainly be a first
shadow minnow
idk why people do not like that intel is still on 10nm when 10nm is better than TSMC 7nm
ashen spindle
because they are at a 5 year delay now
server market for example needs a roadmap they can follow for future upgrades, stability etc.
5 year delays when tsmc had at most a few quarters is not a good look
fair gull
so
ashen spindle
and it's not better it's similar
fair gull
what if intel is not really liking the 7nm
ashen spindle
their own or tsmc's?
ashen spindle
I mean 7nm was originally slated to arrive 2019
sorry
2017
but it just doesnt work
and they dont like 7tsmc so much that they are making their GPU on tsmc 6nm which is just 7nm whith miniscule changes
as for their own, you cant push something that makes no products lol
ashen spindle
the reason is the products dont work on 7nm lol
fair gull
thats a result of reasons
ashen spindle
yes, the reason is the process node not working, the reasons for that are manifold and the reason why intel is slowly dying
push for more and more features, higher density etc. which is harder to do and isn't yielding bc scaling is too aggressive, transistors to dense etc.
you're not getting any specific info if its like "7nm is broken bc we cant get the transistor to not break yet" unless you work on it, that is multiple NDA's deep
fair gull
ya but i think many people are just trying to push some shitty agenda of intel wanting to sell refreshes
when iAim personally more than convinced that intel would move to the next node if it was viable with what they have planned internally
ashen spindle
wait you mean like people think intel is stuck on 14nm bc they chose and they could move if they wanted?
that sounds like some downvoted-reddit comment conspiracy
fair gull
thats what i see tons of times tho
ashen spindle
wow first time I hear about it
fair gull
"why is intel still on 14nm if amd is already ahead"
might just be sheep that think they are deep into computers
but i have seen it a decent amount
ashen spindle
I think thats more people not understanding there are different foundries and the process technology is completely different
so you cant just use tsmc if your inhouse isnt working, you'd need to redesign it
fair gull
ya but the whole just generalizing of just naming nanometers for ur design
basically
it just fuels these things
cause well people just compare the numbers
ashen spindle
well, blame intel, they didnt want to change it when they had the lead and others proposed it ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vagrant marsh
Well, i delivered the pc to the store. Im now with my parents on a market fetching something to eat
reef tundra
the problems with the 7nm etc has mostly to relate to the yield presentage was very low and two cpu's/gpu would end up better in terms of die to chip ratio(the yield). Easier to delay it a gen and use bigger sizes to get the most out of the base material and be as cheap as possible (for the manufacturer)
most of the production costs are the die itself. Working on it is really cheap compared to material.
and it is a very faulty process aleady as they really onlyproduce one chip but disable failed parts on the chips to ttheir lower spec versions. to give the entire family group
wheat plume
konsole shows image previews <3 thats so cool
wheat plume
gimp doesnt seem to want to use the global menu
I got it to work before but I forget the packages I needed (plasma desktop btw)
reef tundra
exports?
reef tundra
also called the eviorement variables that are globally available to use.. it might have a varibiable that it checks on startup
wheat plume
idk, I fixed it last time by installing some packages, but I forgot what ones
reef tundra
https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/9kx06y/gimp_global_menus_not_working/
That should be fixed in Plasma 5.14. In the meantime:
Install appmenu-gtk2-module
Add gtk-modules="appmenu-gtk-module" to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0
(If you're on the older Xenial 16.04 neon replace appmenu with unity but there's a bug keeping the menu bar in Gimp's window from disappearing)
reef tundra
oh they changed again
wheat plume
o
reef tundra
oh no what if the package had the dependancies with it
wheat plume
I think it was these that worked
because writer can use it, chrome also
so GTK apps can work but not all do like gimp and firefox
reef tundra
desktop managers.. they are.. their owm mess
wheat plume
I dont have the patience to try to setup i3-gaps again
reef tundra
at least it will workif done
reef tundra
uh revert
wheat plume
huh?
It wont boot, that yellow flahing light issue is happening every time I try to turn it on
reef tundra
lvm could revert to some snapshot something else could be used to have a working copy
reef tundra
rip
wheat plume
according to others online, the cmos battery is fucked
and since taking it off to replace it on my PC involves remving the frame and motherboard AGHHHHH
reef tundra
cmos battery is mostly left for the rtc and functioning very low devices with wakeup
wheat plume
and the PC cant boot without it apparently
my friend told me got a watch battery to replace the one on his PC :')
reef tundra
but should not mean the entire compyer dies
wheat plume
those round flat ones
the SSD seems to be fine
I used smart tools to check the health and it said it was good
so thats not the issue I imagine
cause whe the PC booted, the SSD worked fine
reef tundra
cus it is non-volitile
wheat plume
hm?
reef tundra
doesnt need power to keep remembering data
wheat plume
oh right
reef tundra
like ram would
wheat plume
at least I hope its not the SSD .... last time I took the SSD out an slotted it back in, the PC booted fine ๐ค
reef tundra
it should put all important data on the nand chips and should be able to recover if it was not suddenly shutoff
wheat plume
unless the OS isnt shutting the PC down properly, then it was always shut down correctly
reef tundra
the data itself should be safe with modern filesustems with journaling
even mid transfer should allow it to recover to a known state
wheat plume
im not too worried about the data on it, im worried about having to buy a new SSD cause those are expensive af, this one cost me 140
reef tundra
it would be odd for the ssd to malfunction
reef tundra
for having no cmos battetih
wheat plume
yeh
reef tundra
Thats not s.m.a.r.t
wheat plume
one of these pakcages is taking a LOONNNNGGG time to build -;
reef tundra
lol
wheat plume
I feel like im using Gentoo with how long this takes to build
reef tundra
๐ข SLOW AND STEADY ๐ข WINS THE RACE ๐ข MODS CAN'T BAN ME ๐ข AT THIS PACE ๐ข
sudo sutdown now
oof
also aur sometimes actually builds from sources if needed make
so pretty much what gentoo would do default
reef tundra
hype
vagrant marsh
Just accept it @wheat plume . You love windows
wheat plume
Ah yes
Broken updates that can delete all my files
Shitty virtual workspace management
Not being able to theme it without third party software that can potentially brick your install
What's not to love
Ah yeh
Not being able to do basic window management like using the windows key and mouse to drag and resize windows when they can't be dragged by the titlebar
sharp tusk
it worked for good couple of weeks after 2004 update and now its fucked again
sharp tusk
figured i'd save some money by buying keyboard that has hotswappable switches ๐
vagrant marsh
Ohh! Buy a wooting! Heard they are great
sharp tusk
tried wooting one for couple of hours but linear55 is unplayable for me, hoping that wooting two + linear80 fixes things
ashen spindle
if that isn't enough you could always switch springs for heavier ones, someone here tried 250g springs at one point
ivory geyser
vagrant marsh
Isnt it weird you buy a keyboard and it doesnt work for you as you get it so you need to pay additional money to buy other springs?
halcyon moss
heh, here i am thinking the standard linears are already a bit to heavy
vagrant marsh
Yea, but you buy a keyboard, and then need to buy other springs for it
Like buying the base game, but need the dlc to like the game.
ashen spindle
your comparisons are a bit hard to follow, it's clearly a secondary point to the other features of the keyboard or the buyer would just get one with stornger springs
ashen spindle
its not like most people want it or the deafult option would not be 55g springs
ashen spindle
yeah yeah wait for amd or at least the 20gb variant
vagrant marsh
Zotac
pale sigil
@vagrant marsh and?
vagrant marsh
And?
Nothing?
What did i say wrong? I just said the brand name why do i have to justify why i said it ๐
ashen spindle
pretty sure they are hoping amd announces before a release so if needed they adjsut prices
you mean the hbm they are most likely not using?
or the one that they could use bc its not as expensive anymore as on vega7 launch?
eiother g6 will suffice or they use older versions of hbm that wont cost as much
I dont think they will top the 3090 but the 3080
reef patrol
vagrant marsh
I am tempted to buy the 3080, even if its just to make use of the full res of my screen
zenith sonnet
3080 sure looks like a good deal
But I'll wait for reviews
Also, Ampere cards might not move too much volume in the first months
Yields don't seem to be too good
ashen spindle
nda is supposed to be lifted a few days before launch for founders edition
and on launch for AiB
and yields are not that bad, should be all in stock after few weeks again
3090 stock not counting
zenith sonnet
RDNA2 also seems to be at least 3 months out according to some
Btw, AMD can also use GDDR6X, it's available to all
vagrant marsh
Samsung also is used for the memory chips?
ashen spindle
not for ampere
reef tundra
That nvidia engineer seems familiar. Very good lookalike of tge Rust developer https://youtu.be/OUgKU2One5g
ashen spindle
he's a hardcore dev thats for sure
also why goodbye rtg
unreal just has to implement the hardware agnostic variant and amd can do the same
which they probably will, given the first big navi trailer was in a fortnite easter egg map
misty pier
numbers, big numbers
reef tundra
Create a free and open source raytracing protocol/specification that allows universal interface to a driver module and allows any manufacurer to add or mevove features while still allowing generic usecases
crimson wigeon
Yeah, but I understand why people don't like motion blur, a lot of games tend to default to really strong blur that looks horrible