wtf
#πβtech
ashen spindle
has had one for like forever
vagrant marsh
i seriously never noticed
ashen spindle
most servers disable /tts bc it would be send to every person that has the channel open lmao
vagrant marsh
yamatoklok said emogy pepeshrug
ashen spindle
the new thing is that they added it as a context menu option
ashen spindle
no its disabled here ofc
vagrant marsh
damn. and here i thought i found a new way to troll people
ashen spindle
here enjoy hearing the tts of emojis
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vagrant marsh
boiiiii
wheat plume
WAIT.... YOU COULD DO THIS SOMEHOW BEFORE NOW?!
pale sigil
Got given this cute thing as a sample
useless like but maybe nice when just chilling
connects to my Alexa too
vagrant marsh
what is it?
vagrant marsh
thick elk
At the very least I think Nvidia will try to match the 2080ti in price
zenith sonnet
That's 999$ MSRP
thick elk
1199 for the fe card
ashen spindle
why would they match the 2080ti, have it cost more if people are paying for it
thick elk
1400 would also be the fe card
zenith sonnet
3090 is a Titan class GPU, expect Titan class pricing
thick elk
I meant it will not be cheaper than the 2080ti fe
zenith sonnet
No way
The 3080 might come close to 2080 Ti pricing, actually
GDDR6X is gonna be significantly more expensive than GDDR6
zenith sonnet
Not only the chips themselves, but also board design
It's I think QAM4 instead of 2, and that seems to be a bitch to work with?
thick elk
Either way speculating so close to launch is fairly pointless.
I do think 1400$ for the 3090 founders edition could very wel be accurate.
the problem with that is to run the starvr you need a lot more then just the gpu
ashen spindle
1400 for whats basically a titan card wouldn't be too bad
2400 is msrp for titan rtx I think?
its just not really a gaming card and they should make consumer cards cheaper and keep the two sepeparte more I think
so in comparison its a good deal, but shouldnt exist really
sure but thats not what they market it for with the RTX moniker now
now the put what used to be a purely GEMM card as new top end gaming card just to get the halo spot
zenith sonnet
It might be cheaper than other Titan class cards because it lacks prosumer benefits outside of the amount of VRAM it comes with
And it won't cut into Quadro sales
thick elk
Titans have a separate name for a reason, they are priced outside of the consumer range with often fairly little in the way of extra performance
to have a 3090 at the titan's price would be too much of a hike at once
because in terms of branding it replaces the 2080ti as the top consumer card
thick elk
yes that's why the name was reserved. However dual gpu cards have not been a thing for some time
and with their super refersh they moved away from the ti branding
ashen spindle
because in terms of branding it replaces the 2080ti as the top consumer card
exactly, clever marketing use to hike prices while have it look like a price decrease imo
zenith sonnet
It's still doing double VRAM, even if it's single GPU
thick elk
current tech just doesn't scale well multi gpu, this is also part of the reason why flagships have increased in price.
It's now worth it to create a more costly single gpu than if you also had dual gpu's at the top.
ashen spindle
speaking of, x90 was used for dual gpu for a while so I saw some people think its a gual gpu 
zenith sonnet
Still thinking it's DC rejects
thick elk
It's been 8 years since the last dual gpu consumer card from nvidia
ashen spindle
ehh, if you ignore that one titan I guess
but titans are weird, they are neither consumer nor prosumer really
thick elk
exactly, it also changes what they are every time
ashen spindle
really why I was hoping that intel gpus would work out and not end up shit like they seem to be lmao
needs more competition
I mean, right now you can have it run Folding@Home while not gaming or so
thick elk
AMD will be able to compete up to 3070 territory this time I think
ashen spindle
that would be embarrasing if its only that much lmao
I dont think it will be that bad
thick elk
They should be able to beat the 2080ti at least, I haven't looked into the improvement nvidia is going to make this gen
hence a pessemistic take
ashen spindle
imo the reason we get ampere before big navi, is because they will beat the 2080 ti at least
thick elk
Also wouldn't surprise me if the 3000 series is a paper launch or at least a very much understocked one
ashen spindle
nah thats not the case, the 20 series is EOL, a paperlaunch would just cause more people to buy amd
and if it really is samsung, they should have no capacity issues
thick elk
It would be more about timing than capacity. It still takes time to produce enough cards for launch
ashen spindle
sure but either process on SS or TSMC has been running for a while and they had the chance to stockpile chips
A100 has been shipping for a while now, so at least for some chips they were able to start getting them around the same time, if they could salvage them as lower tier parts
thick elk
I think they learned from their 5000 series release. Keeping their cards close to their chest for once.
ashen spindle
then again we might see no RTX cards that use the A100 chip even tuned down so maybe they did not start collecting chips since then
I mean marketing wise AMD already lost bc based on previous launches they will just sabotage it themselves again
thick elk
there is already quite a bit of information about their achitecture out there in the form of consoles and I assume the decent number of dev kits floating around.
It would just be a matter of how big / how high is the clock
ashen spindle
to we know the multi view is an rdna2 thing and not custom for xbox?
also, the talk we got from xbox is what makes me think big navi can be better than you think, it should be able to scale quite well
then take a look at ps5, that has some fairly high clocks for it that I dont remember, but that should show that it hopefully scales well for bigger cards too
lmao
thick elk
Console launches have always been notorious for their low stock
so having a preorder lottery makes some sense
Except for the Wii-U noone really bought that one.
ashen spindle
https://t.co/B4LOxO30bz oh right, tigerLate is coming the day after Nvidia
4.8 is actually bette than I expected, could be interesting
Iβf yields were no problem that might even beat amd since mobile is a year late in cpu uArch
pale sigil
im still kinda impressed with the integrated graphics lol
ashen spindle
?
pale sigil
ashen spindle
ye I cant wait for amd laptops with navi2, should be sick
van gogh should be a monster, if we get it in a decent laptop
thick elk
that will take a while, even now 30fps on high may still be below the current amd apu's.
thick elk
but that's also on zen2, then there is zen3 cezanne which still uses vega
ashen spindle
yeah but zen2 aingt going to be the bottleneck for gaming on a laptop lmao
thick elk
fair enough.
I do think van gogh is closely based on the console chips, just scaled to fit the form factor.
ashen spindle
uhh could be I guess
thick elk
supositly cvml is computer vision and machine learning, so possibly not laptop chips
ashen spindle
idk it gets weird there, the console chips use a different node than all other zen2 parts so idk how that would overlap or differ from van gogh
hmm what else would VG be then, early leaks of the name were as mobile chip
LPDDR is not what you use on desktop
thick elk
It's embeded, that's for sure.
ashen spindle
I guess it could be a range from laptop to SFF embedded designs
thick elk
or it could be that they added some hardware functions for ai and stuff
maybe that's what the label meant
cezanne being used for the h series / desktop apu's maybe
or just desktop apu's in general
ashen spindle
yeah, dont see VG be a desktop thing at all
CZ is just the direct renoir successor
zenith sonnet
VG could be a 'new' market segment
HTPCs with gaming capabilities that are a mix of console and PC
vagrant marsh
Imagine if the big navi's only equal the 3070 in performance and then nvidia is like : lets do a super
ashen spindle
Pointless speculation, that would mean they somehow regressed their uArch and made a better bride worse to
How did autocorrect turn node into bride...
vagrant marsh
I was rereading that sentence ahd had to think hard what amd and a 'better bride' had in common
I wonder if total war is gonna do a warhammer 40k sometime. Maybe redo warhammer soulstorm.
ashen spindle
I just realized with all the home office I can probably convince work that I need a new gpu, maybe then I can get a tier higher than I plan to 
pale sigil
@ashen spindle Right, stop right there.
How dare you abuse tax xD
for a gpu
no fair
ashen spindle
but it's not even a lie xD
pale sigil
You dont need a gpu for your job hahaha
ashen spindle
thats news to me
ashen spindle
currently unity development, might actually work with PhysX on a not so future project
ashen spindle
?
pale sigil
Tax
ashen spindle
is that an autocorrect from company
ashen spindle
companies still pay tax xD
reef patrol
It's so easy to avoid sales Tax though. Just gotta make a small company with no profits.
pale sigil
Not in the UK atm π
ashen spindle
my plan was to have them either buy it fully or buy it and I only pay part of it
would be news to me they dont pay tax
reef patrol
In Denmark sales tax is for consumers only. Companies still pay taxes on all of their stuff, but if you've got a small one man company, you can bill almost anything to the company
Just uhh... Don't write "Gaming PC" on the invoice
ashen spindle
I mean game developer pc should work should it not?
anyway, not my concern how much/if they can deduct it exactly
ashen spindle
non jokingly I should actually check in what is already known about that one project bc that might just lock me into gett amd/nvidia so I can use my pc and dont need to build over network or smth
misty pier
that's what my dad did when I got my PC stuff
he just put it with my educational expenses and it worked
ashen spindle
I mean I would've put it down as an expense anyway, but this might save me a lot more
vagrant marsh
Damn. Apple did ban the developer account of epic anyways
Does that also mean that unreal engine is banned from iphoes?
ashen spindle
nope this is the epic account not the unreal account
this is just what was expected
pale sigil
Doesn't this mean their actual certificate is fucked
pale sigil
no i mean
the app itself is no longer signed
so people wont even be able to launch the app
ashen spindle
they could remove it from phones if I understand correctly yes
but I doubt they will do that idk
vagrant marsh
Can they even play fortnite after it gets updated in real time?
pale sigil
No i mean
ivory geyser
Unreal is affected, Apple literally said they will ALSO ban Unreal engine by Epic.
pale sigil
Every IOS app needs signing every 7 days
ashen spindle
they are running seperate servers so people cans till play it yes
pale sigil
this is usually handled automatically
ashen spindle
no unreal is not affected ffs stop spreading false stuff
pale sigil
However if their cert is revoked then peope should not be able to launch the fortnite app now
ashen spindle
the latest ruling was the judge EXPLICITLY telling apple cant ban unreal devs that are not epic
reef patrol
Yeah so if they remove the Unreal account, they're going to be in some hot trouble.
ashen spindle
yeah they are not winning the case for epic themselves, apple isn't /that/ dumb
reef patrol
reef tundra
Apple has the money to financially ruin epic if they want
ashen spindle
yesn't
reef patrol
Epic has enough money to see any court case through.
ashen spindle
they have, but there is no way government would let them
reef patrol
Apple can't bully their way out of this one π
ashen spindle
they dont have a gigantic lead time like they had with qualcomm to bully them
reef tundra
Lawsuits are very expensive and apple can really drain them down. Those things can drag out for multiple years
ashen spindle
but can they drain epic, facebook, microsoft, maybe others, while under antitrust probing? doubt it
reef tundra
And they will need multiple lawyers to deal with the overload of paperwork in attemp to drown them
This is why slapp-suits laws exist
thick elk
Outside of the money involved I can see apple having to make at least some concessions, like allowing people to be notified that apple takes this cut.
Best case for the end user would be apple being forced to open up their systems to other app stores / side loading but I doubt that is going to happen.
zenith sonnet
Why don't they simply stop developing Unreal Engine for MacOS and iOS?
Then they wouldn't need Apple tools any more either
reef patrol
Because a lot of developers rely on Unreal...on Mac π
And Unreal kind of makes money on that whole thing.
zenith sonnet
Pretty sure they can develop their engine on other operating systems, like Linux, as well
reef patrol
They could. If they wanted to spend a ton of resources doing so.
But why do that when Unreal is free up to a significant amount of sales? And well known and well adopted in terms of resources.
Oh and ports.
thick elk
I can tell you especially for mobile games if epic decides to stop supporting unreal on ios, unity is going to grow a lot more popular.
for mobile games at least.
They can however afford to lose out on fortnite sales on ios.
I think epic is also banking on kids switching to android were they can still download it.
On samsung at least via the samsung store so without needing to sideload.
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol Not sure who or what you are talking about there
reef patrol
I don't know how to respond to that π
zenith sonnet
I'm pretty sure Epic can afford to move Unreal development to Linux without a hitch
Doesn't really matter if it's free or not
crimson wigeon
I think if you're targeting a specific platform you definitely do want to be able to do work on said platform
reef patrol
....
How the fudge would that help anyone who wants to develop for Mac? π
Pretty sure Unreal already has all the Linux it needs.
*With Unreal Engine, you can deliver content on a comprehensive range of desktop, console, and mobile platforms, including Windows, MacOS, and
Linux PCs
; PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One, Xbox Series X, and Nintendo Switch; and iOS and Android mobile devices.*
Sure enough.
vagrant marsh
ashen spindle
that might look realistic
idk didnt look at what it actually says
bc I see who that guy is, he's doing "leaks" as his only realy value on youtube and has been very inaccaurate so far
reef tundra
It seems kinda credible but shaky at best. The fact the channel relies on leaks and rumours is not good, the sources are all over the place(twitter, youtube, wikipedia, , he used his own tweet as source(what?), sources dont collaberate much, constant backtracking "not burn sources", the "a source told me that I trust" means nothing to the trustwortyness of his annonymous source (There is no reason to trust this source as we dont even know where the source got the information and we dont even know if this is firsthand information), the sponsor is shady(and probably illegal), "he knows" but did tell because he wanted to protect sources(easy to tell with hindsight) and if he really knew why did not he not sell that to a major publication that will protect its sources (also his) and offer a lot of money to get this information.
vagrant marsh
I think its cruel to see the 3070 only having 8gb, while he says there is a 3080 with 20gb. That is alot of difference.
ashen spindle
the 80 has 10gb for FE, 20 is only for AiB models
vagrant marsh
Now im not sure if that much is really neccesary in the first place. My 2070 mostly only uses half of what its got
ashen spindle
and its most likely only 20 bc amd is aid to feature 16gb so nvidia just wants the option to have more
vagrant marsh
As always
8gb. Thats what i got in the 2070. And it uses 4 most of the time.
With raytracing it goes up to 6gb i believe. Never seen it make use of the full 8gb
ashen spindle
1080p?
vagrant marsh
1440
ashen spindle
so it's clearly not skyrim hd mods or anything lul
idk I think the ram is fine, but idk if it might limit stuff in the not so far future
ashen spindle
I mean, I would not call that a graphics intensive game at all xD
vagrant marsh
it is, tho
ashen spindle
it should really be quite heavily cpu limited just do to the nature of games with large troops
vagrant marsh
would you consider bl3 graphics intensive?
reef tundra
A lot could be done in the gpu as many of the troops use the same calculations
ashen spindle
uhh not really, bl3 doesnt really have open areas or lot of details, it's just very colorful and unoptimized lmao
ashen spindle
guess its also not fair to just look at gpu heavyness, doesnt directly translate into big textuers being used
reef tundra
gpu is really good at making calculations in parralell but bad at context switching. gpu does more than graphics
ashen spindle
sure but the memory is only really used for graphics, and we're talking about if the VRAM on ampere is too little
reef tundra
the vram is also for the calculations
ashen spindle
after all, 8gb is what I have on my 1080 and that's not a new card really
sure but in the case of games you dont get high vram usage like in GEMM applicatinos
reef tundra
cpu can also use the vram
ashen spindle
cmon we are talking about common, realistic scenarios here xD
vagrant marsh
mw5 with raytracing
6gb of constant use with a big spike when it started the mission
reef tundra
yea? video encoding, decoding, fft's are commonly ofloaded to the gpu
ashen spindle
yea? video encoding, decoding, fft's are commonly ofloaded to the gpu
idk my games usually dont do a lot of that :p
vagrant marsh
it almost reached 8gb there for a second XD
ashen spindle
sadly that still doesn't mean anything, it show the VRAM that is being allocated, not what is actually used
vagrant marsh
so really, so far, the memory more seems to be fore raytracing. without raytracing, most a game will use is 5gb
ashen spindle
it could ask for all of it and only use 2gb etc.
granted mostly thats not the case but we cant just take it for certain
vagrant marsh
so mechwarrior 5 with raytracing has a constant load of between 6/7gb
reef tundra
A lot of games make a lot of use of the GPU that are not rendering the frame. Its a great thing to offload alu operations to as modern GPU's have 1000+ calculator cores in them that can be used. Often they even have specialised hardware to speedup certain functions.
vagrant marsh
so if the gpu is so powerful, and has built in ram, then why not use a cpu with the gpu, instead of having a cpu with a gpu.
like. turn things around XD
ashen spindle
what
solar hinge
nevermind m,e
@vagrant marsh
Done!
reef tundra
Because these cores are specific for paralell workloads and the gpu is not made to switch the operation per (sub)cycle
and cpu also has to control the rest of the system
constantly getting interrupted, keeping memory safe, handling multiple threads/cores that may have shared resources, monitoring of its operations(DMA transfers), intercommunication, trying to optimise itself(where to store a variable register, cache(1,2 or 3), ram. pipelineing and branch perdiction and discarding of the other, preventing priority violations relating to interrupts(lower priority can become the task over an higher priority task)
vagrant marsh
cheap and unneccesary. unless ur going for a 3090 that is, you wont reach 144hz on 2k
zenith sonnet
Gotta agree, my VII does me well at 144Hz
vagrant marsh
which games? minecraft?
ashen spindle
I have a 1080 and a 3440x1440 and get 144 on multiple games lmao
ashen spindle
No lol
vagrant marsh
you dont often hear people having a gtx 1080, xcuse me
ashen spindle
Look like an okay deal on that monitor, but gotta check reviews if it has any issues
vagrant marsh
rn, i got between 70-80 fps running bl3 in mostly high at 1440p
and thats also my target in most games.
reef tundra
also for minecraft there is a new redering engine that runs even better than optifine called sodium but it does lack de shader engine..
ashen spindle
You considering to get this monitor Tino?
vagrant marsh
my old screen did 144 and could be boosted to 165, and i rarely if ever seen fps go above 100 fps. and true, the 2070 non super isnt top of the line even when it was brought out, but it was still fairly powerful.
34" and qhd?
ashen spindle
See if hardwareunboxed, tftcentral or blurbusters have a review of this
Canβt check bc Iβm on phone
vagrant marsh
you can buy my old one for only 200 euro's how about that π
its this one
only 27" tho
and it got a scratch in the screen but you hardly notice it during play
zenith sonnet
@reef tundra Until it supports shaders, it doesn't seem interesting to me :p
zenith sonnet
@digital cliff Try to find out who the panel manufacturer is
Freesync Premium is good, though
vagrant marsh
cause ive had different types of screens so far and most of them look the same to me. so maybe my eyes arnt as sensitive as other people./
though i gotta admit this 49" is just beautiful
ashen spindle
No screenpanel type is a gigantic difference xd
ashen spindle
You could try to figure out the panel and see if three are other models with the same panel that got reviewed
zenith sonnet
@vagrant marsh That's because it's not native DX12, just a wrapper
ashen spindle
lol
vagrant marsh
well, the screen he mentioned has ips so i guess he wants that
acer nitro 34"
hmm. not sure if its about the same, but do a search on the Iiyama G-Master GB3461WQSU-B1
zenith sonnet
27GL850
vagrant marsh
atleast in this pricewatch its a little cheaper
zenith sonnet
@digital cliff Or do you want that Ultrawide silliness? :p
zenith sonnet
Not sure if LG makes Ultrawide NanoIPS panels yet
But as this time I wouldn't recommend any other panel tech
430β¬ for the 27GL850 (WQHD), so not quite as cheap as the thing on your sale
It's the only IPS panel tech which has so far actually has fast enough response time for 144Hz with an overdrive curve that's good all the way down to the low end of the VRR range
For any other panel, you got overdrive curves that are only good for a small range, e.g. 120-144Hz, but have heavy overshoot if you drop lower
Or they're simply too slow for 144 Hz
reef tundra
are ips panels able to reach those responserates and or framerates? I remember that ghosting was a big ting back when.
zenith sonnet
Gsync (physical module) could work around that by using variable overdrive, but it was only good on a very few monitors
@reef tundra LG's new nanoIPS is the first and only one that's fast enough so far
Would probably be cheaper to buy here and ship with DHL, lol
reef tundra
lcd's are quite fiddly in general.
reef tundra
or get a 100 match coupon to ddos your way to the top!
zenith sonnet
@digital cliff I know that feel
I settled on the 27GL850 to carry me over when something actually good comes along
reef tundra
we have a computer! with mouse, might i add
good service 10 bits/second very fast
just 1100 euros
its an ad for a fictional ddos service with a computer WITH mouse and capabilities unmatched! a whole 10 bits/second to win your game and disconnect the others!
Yes i can count to my IQ on one hand
acer is quite spotty with their quality. for others its fine and some get it rma'd 7 times until acer even gave up and gave the newer model
dont know how their panel qiality is but you dont want a bad one.
zenith sonnet
There's not really anything that's great in all regards
At least atm
There's a lot of promising monitors in the works, though
HDR1000/HDR1400 still need a year or two
reef tundra
Technology
ashen spindle
What do you mean, we have ups that can perform like TN, we got VA etc.
zenith sonnet
People were looking at price much more than quality
Only in the last 3 years new tech started to pick up
reef tundra
THere is only so much that you can do with a matrix of coloured pixels
zenith sonnet
98% of people are not aware about the differences between monitors
They buy what's cheap or branded and looks good in a showroom
reef tundra
pixels can be smaller than the human eye can see so innovating here is mostly wasted
refreshrates kinda
the everyday consumer doesnt really care if it is 120 or 60
I think that the professional and gaming the only driving forces are for innovation in monitors
where colour accuracy or high performance are desired
also the thing is what is the new technology? have we already invented the best type of monitor possible?
zenith sonnet
nanoIPS trades low blur and low latency for a little worse contrast
It's 800:1
But low contrast can be worked around with HDR
And backlight zones
reef tundra
I think the lcd has matured to a point where advancements will be incremental and hard to even compare and contrast. Maybe breakthrough could happen, we dont know.
Now it seems to be a game of tradeoffs
zenith sonnet
Nah
It's mostly about price
There's plenty of advancement to be made
But people want cheap above all
reef tundra
price is the main driver as features are suffient to make people content with it
reef tundra
Internet security tip: researchers finally found a way to prevent all virusses and be 100% immune to viruses. What they found out is unplugging the computer works very well and even virusses on the pc already will stop working. *your milage may vary
ashen spindle
wow, did not expect to see this on my timeline, GN is not the tech channel I expect celebs to watch lol https://twitter.com/TPAIN/status/1299934043421769729
Twitter
always nice to see tech reaching a bigger audience
halcyon moss
for a moment i thought you were Lana
ashen spindle
vagrant marsh
never heard of anyone called t-pain
wait, finland got the euro?
but they were a comintern country
estonia, latvia, lithuania, slovakia.
well, i never indepted myself into this at all, honestly. with countries like poland and romania staying out of it, it hought none of hte former comintern countries had the euro. or i did read up on it at some time but totally forgot about it cause im west european
soviet allied countries
i mean, its rather obvious that the euro is a western initiative
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/witeken/status/1300030021571162112 π€‘ this guy would be a hilarious satire account, if he wasn't serious and actually writes financial advice articles
Twitter
ashen spindle
its a typo
vagrant marsh
hu. twitter politics trending. antifa
ashen spindle
t is next to y
vagrant marsh
so he doesnt read what he types
RYX RTX you can pretty obviously spot the difference
ashen spindle
... I dont even need to ask if you use twitter, I got the answer
vagrant marsh
is that considered bad or good tho
ashen spindle
neither
vagrant marsh
alright. gonna watch guns akimbo. download it like months ago. time to finally watch it
fickle ore
Guessing it's rdna 2 for me. Nvidia prob gona price 3060 400$ kek
ashen spindle
and what if that 400$ card is outperforming a 2080 ti?
that still saying you go amd then
I dont understand the point of speculation with two variables, if you know performance you can say how much you want to pay for it, if you know the price you can say you only but it if it at least is as good as X
but we know neither
vagrant marsh
the speculation atm is that hte 3070 is outperforming the 2080Ti on raytracing. i mean. does it do raytracing as well? does it mean its as powerful?
zenith sonnet
My VII can also outperform the 2080 Ti in some workloads
Wait for benchmarks
It'll probably trail behind in FPS
ashen spindle
Nah if it would be a minor jump it would be a massive fail
vagrant marsh
the 2000 series are just hte 1100
the 3000 series will be teh 1200's
if htey kept the original numbering
they just use a bigger number to make it look like a bigger jump, but in reality, technology doesnt advance that fast
reef patrol
Well...they did it to remove RTX from GTX a tad more.
ashen spindle
if you only look at rasterization, sure it didn't improve that much, but from a general technical point it definitely was a bigger jump
vagrant marsh
adding AI to the gpu
ashen spindle
rtx implementation might be a big disappointment, but the tech is nonetheless impressive
vagrant marsh
not really. its combining existing technologies in hand held hardware. AI learning, together with increasing sizes of memory. the gtx 980 Ti released in 2015 and had 6gb of memory. 1080 Ti in 2017 with 11gb of memory. strangely, the 2080 Ti also has only 11 gb of memory but there was a ddr upgrade instead, but now we are talking about an excess of 20gb of memory for one of the 3080 variants.
with the 3090 having 24gb of memory
some of these graphics cards are starting to have more memory than some pc's have in ram
ashen spindle
I feel like I'm missing the point, what is the relation between new technology and higher vram capacity
vagrant marsh
i got no idea, dude
ashen spindle
...
vagrant marsh
i mean, obviously they are adding so much memory for a purpose. maybe to fuel the onboard AI to make the raytracing possible
but maybe nvidia is coming with something even more inventive than onboard raytracing
ashen spindle
I still dont understand how your point of memory sizes argues against me saiying new tech on turing is impressive
vagrant marsh
maybe cause the tech already existed
raytracing is nothing new, its used for movies way before nvidia thought about adding it to their cards
ashen spindle
...yes?
vagrant marsh
plus, movies are supposed to be foto realistic. maybe raytracing is much heavier there, than in games that are drawn
which gave nvidia the idea to apply it to graphics cards, using the miniaturization we are having
maybe raytracing in games is only like 10% of the raytracing they apply in movies?
i dunno
ashen spindle
the impressive fact is that they got tech added that makes it somewhat useable in real time, or to extremely speed it up for rendering by using RTX over cpus
it doesnt need to be a ground up new concept that nobody ever thought of to be impressive and a big change
vagrant marsh
maybe i should become a flat earther and just fake ignorance over the fact it goes way over my head π
ashen spindle
I mean, its not like I know an ammount I would consider impressive either, I just dont argue for or against a point if I dont understand enough about it xD
vagrant marsh
i like argueing tho. cause then others become involved and you can also learn stuff that way
ashen spindle
but you can do that without arguing a point that you dont even think yourself is true xD
shadow minnow
ivory geyser
My GF plays that with 6GB card with the HD pack...
She doesnt have the texture quality set on the highest level tho.
misty pier
the HD pack is kind of cool but it does chomp up my vram
reef tundra
Swapping the memory?
pale sigil
haha remember Titanfall 2?
reef tundra
learned it got released yeers after its release, great marketing
pale sigil
reef tundra
LOSSSLESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
we need the detail of the noise floor in the studio for imersion
crimson wigeon
That's not Titanfall 2 though
reef tundra
and play on vinyl as that makes it better somehow
reef tundra
the devs probably even messed up with that kind of release
oh no im in the 2 project again
reef tundra
heard it was good tho but EA forgot to market it i guess
ashen spindle
I'm guessing that part is at least partly source engines fault
pale sigil
new source engine when
ashen spindle
ivory geyser
Wtf xD
reef tundra
Also remember more buzzwords == greater product... yes with disruptive innovative market-leading blockchain dragchain chainmail words you cant lose money or something
I remember some companies valued ridicilisly high and were basically hoping that the funding would increase the stock price and run with the money
reef patrol
Not going with compressed audio was definitely an odd choice.
vagrant marsh
maybe it made sense at the time
i mean, there are plenty of pc's that are prebuilt, laptop, or otherwise just constructed ages ago by poor people
that arnt having strong specs
reef patrol
Uhh...
Compressed audio has been a standard since... the 486 era. Like ... Baldur's Gate 1. Early days of MP3s and so on π
zenith sonnet
I wish less games would compress audio
pale sigil
On the subject of games + tech
Im still impressed with Nvidias geforce no tech
i decided to try it out again after not using it for years
lose 2fps for replay to be on
impressive, so damn impressive.
reef tundra
compressed audio is trivial to do bunch of sinewaves doing sins and ffts are a wonderfull mess which is advanced math and great to look at without prior knowledge of trigometry, sigma, eulers formula, butterfly operations, imaginary numbers and great documentation from Intel Altera that is as usefull as the ikea catalogue in telling me how fpga should interprete imaginary numbers(2 variables) and combine that mess with the real mess to get the total mess and nothing works and Quartus is very helpfull and gives at least 500 warnings about something but when a real error occours it just point somewhere and tells me effectivly 'not good pls fix' on the wrong line number, Also dont use the window close button when changing settings and not use their special close button to not crash all its components(eclipse,qsys,quartus) all seperate programs btw.... Intel fix this please also avalon streaming makes me cry this might be a rant about crying about the great quartus but yea Xilinx does it better. also ppl's are op please nerf
shadow minnow
Is there any way to connect MB Pro to soundbar with HDMI eARC other than hdfury arcana?
thick elk
I don't think lossless audio is worth it at all in games. You can use something like 160kbit opus and have it indistingushable from lossless to almost everyone. Similar with a bit higher AAC.
Size wise it is still at least 4 times as large.
Lossless is nice for archiving / future conversion but not for end users imo.
reef tundra
also most will use cheap headphones and not studiograde with professional audio system usually
zenith sonnet
There's no reason to not let people have the best audio possible
reef tundra
just delete windows
zenith sonnet
Or that
reef tundra
its a file explorer wrapper anyways
also compression can be lossless aswell if wanted or you can romove high frequencies as they will not be audible and lower the precision and perfect
zenith sonnet
I assumed we specifically talked lossy compression
Nobody in their right mind would use literal uncompressed audio
reef tundra
also why not just download seperatlly for the user that want it lossless makes download lots smaller and user wont even notice
.raw
lol
now that would be epic. gigabytes of data with every sample one to one to enjoy the perfect recreation of the audio file
thick elk
The point for me is lossless does not come with any perceptable benefit, even with high end headphones or speakers. It does however come at a large storage / download size cost.
Therefore I'd argue it's not worth the trade-off. Optional download sure but don't include it.
shadow minnow
Is there any good usb c / thunderbolt to optical audio reduction (with surround sound support) for normal price?
reef tundra
why
shadow minnow
To connect MacBook Pro with soundbar
thick elk
I would say if you to optical any standard adapter should be fine
there should be no real loss going to optical
shadow minnow
Any recommended adapter?
thick elk
that I would not know exactly, just get something that is cheap. Maybe one chinese price bracket above the bottom of the barrel.
shadow minnow
Also, how big is difference in audio quality between HDMI eARC and optical toslink
reef tundra
but apple was so brave to remove all those ports and users just keep using adapters :angryface: but please continue buying the adapters they make a lot of money
if it is digital and can keep up the bitrate it should be the same...
thick elk
difference between hdmi eARK should be almost 0, only worth changing if you notice a large ground loop hum
shadow minnow
I mean, eARC should have 100 times the bandwidth based on specs
reef tundra
optical has less noise but if you dont need long wires it wont be noticable
thick elk
Technically the reason one would use optical in the first place is that any connection over copper generally shares a ground plane which can cary over a hum in some cases.
reef tundra
but optical is also very complex
thick elk
also range
reef tundra
and doesnt carry power
shadow minnow
What about that bandwidth?
reef tundra
if mains earth is properly used all devices should share the ground
thick elk
In case of computers you may get extra noise from the computer itself, for example I may hear a mouse wheel scroll on my speakers.
Generally though this would be something you fix after the fact.
shadow minnow
I want to use it with 5.1 system so wondering if toslink is enough, as eARC has so much more bandwidth.
thick elk
I would not bother with toslink unless you are having problems
Unless you only use it for audio and nothing else
shadow minnow
I mean, the thing is soundbar has just Bluetooth eARC and toslink
Bluetooth has too much latency for gaming
And only eARC adapter costs 155β¬
thick elk
in that case toslink
reef tundra
which is needed for a copper setup as they need a shared ground. optical does not need this i belive but this should not be a problem as they will share the mains as common ground and most electronics are grounded properly hopefully
shadow minnow
The question is if toslink will not be kinda βbottleneckβ with itβs smaller bandwidth
reef tundra
I would only go with optical if i need that soind 100s of meters away
few meters nah
thick elk
in practice it should not be a problem either way.
As for things being properly grounded, I have noticed first hand that that is not always the case.
For example it may be lower restance to go through the usb / hdmi cable to the powerbar than go through the pc / laptop psu. So any audio device connected with external power will pick up the noise.
shadow minnow
Any link to some HDMI IN / USB C to TOSLINK adapter (that does not add too much delay)
reef tundra
Battery powered devices but those are usually bluetooth enabled can be an issue
shadow minnow
Hope there is some adapter on stock in local shops here as my new speaker setup should arrive at Friday.
thick elk
Even on my desktop I have to use a ground loop isolator (or optical) because I will pick up noise from my mouse on my amplifier which is connected via my audio interface.
both are connected to the same power strip
reef tundra
also coverting from and to optical will add delay...
thick elk
Is it really that much
reef tundra
few nanoseconds prob
shadow minnow
How much in ms?
thick elk
less than 0.01
reef tundra
its pretty much blinking a laser into a glass rod
shadow minnow
Well, lot better than Bluetooth that adds like 100 ms
reef tundra
also delayed audio can be a non-issue as the brain tries to sync sound to what you see and enable for delay in the audio without feeling off sync. pretty neat.
thick elk
Standard bluetooth is too much of a delay, even when watching a video, you will keep noticing lip movements are off-sync
or at least I do.
reef tundra
jup, I have experienced that it is hard to even focus lol
shadow minnow
I tried to connect exact soundbar I am buying by Bluetooth to mobile and play game, and the delay was... really too much.
thick elk
Aptx low latency does make it usable but it's somewhat rare sadly
reef tundra
Bluetooth is complex for audio and wastefull.
thick elk
Biggest problem is the core audio protocols have not been up-to-date at all
reef tundra
A lot of work has to be dedicated in bluetooth in just the connection in between the devices
thick elk
bluetooth 5.2 should be a bit better at least. Honestly considering how cheap bluetooth adapters are and the battery life they still get the work is not too big a deal.
Biggest issue is the default codec is rather shit
reef tundra
and good luck with using it where people are and every channel has noise from everyone;s bluetooth devices
thick elk
I have not had too much trouble with a decent bluetooth adapter and my headphones.
Mostly that issue comes down to congestion on the 2.4ghz band.
bluetooth on 5ghz would help here.
or higher even
headphones don't need an insane range anyway
thick elk
anyway lc3 looks to be promissing so far
shadow minnow
I can not find any normal USB / HDMI to TOSLINK adapter selling in my country.
reef tundra
digital copper works fine, it either works or it doesnt
shadow minnow
There is no other way to connect my soundbar apart from 155β¬ eARC adapter
reef tundra
lol soldering iron does shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
shadow minnow
What?
reef tundra
add some "debugging" wires to connect the device but is quite involved
mmm it has same as hdmi? if it already carries the conductors it should just work as the eARC cable
thick elk
something like this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000244824209.html
Also do you really need eARC?
shadow minnow
No. I need USB or HDMI to toslink or eARC
reef tundra
eARC connector same as HDMI?
thick elk
there are also quite a few hdmi to toslink adapters for really cheap
reef tundra
if the connector and conductors are present and connected they should work interchangeably
thick elk
Anyway I am off to bed
reef tundra
Will this work with any HDMI cable? This works with HDMI High Speed Cables with Ethernet and the new Ultra High Speed HDMI Cable.
https://www.hdmi.org/spec21Sub/EnhancedAudioReturnChannel
pretty much any should do that have the connectors, probably china has it in the hunders
reef tundra
delay the brain to sync
jk
any competent video player should be able to change the timing of the audio and subtitles
it aint a high bar to clear but it does seperete the weak video players from the strong and forges mpv lol
just make it illegal to desync from video
but it illegal so it must work as crime is illegal and does not pay unless it is bitcoin
this is why cleartext is also fine to use as hacking is also illegal
smh no we only use systemd/systemd + gnu + linux around these part buckeroo
imagine losing sleep cus digital person not like the thing i like
looks up to prisoner who are you? player morphs into an ungodly figure you are not on the list, captain what should we do with it?
for those playing at home that was skyrim. and yes the dragon will live dont worry
also arnt cyborgs concidered to be human(or organic in nature) but with mechanical mods(inorganic parts)?
Believe the correcter term would be android which tries to imitate organic lifeforms.
but i would like 2 more arms it would make it easier to hold 4 items
have two keyboards at one to double the performance wow
zenith sonnet
Zen 3 ready BIOSs rolling out
ashen spindle
interresting, no virtual link/type C connector on any of the ampere picture leaks
wonder if that connector just died?
ashen spindle
I doubt 3ish years ago a 2tb ssd was as cheap as its now lmao
pale sigil
oml
Mansen
Pls
@vagrant marsh
Samsung - used for years and was my OS
NVMe - Replaced Samsung drive
Sandisk 240 - Linux SSD
Sandisk 500 - Got before my nvme, it was for my games alongside my OS on samsung
now i just have a cluster fuck of ssds
with no use
As soon as i open the blinds 
Sun is shining against pc
reef tundra
hehe my cpu is around 50 c now
also lol C6 is being utilised 10% as the rest are nearly 0 % utilisation
oh its the python3 interpreter... lol
bpytop is great in functionality but ah no python pls
misty pier
my cpu is always at 50c no matter what
itβs weird
is zen 2 always this hot at idle
ashen spindle
sounds normal
misty pier
ok thatβs reassuring
pale sigil
Zen 2 is weird
ashen spindle
I got <40 but its also liquid metal and a NHD15 so Β―_(γ)_/Β―
ashen spindle
it really isnt
pale sigil
Oh right ye you have ryzen
ashen spindle
no I have an 8600k
misty pier
yeah I see some people get a lower idle temp
meanwhile my chip just loves 50c no matter what 
ashen spindle
sure you could get a better cooler, reapply thermalpaste etc.
or just not care as long as load temps are fine
misty pier
yeah under load it only gets to 65C
ashen spindle
im still confused
reef tundra
mmm, it dropped to 40C as python was kill'd nice. Always reading 50 could be weird,, sensor gone bad, driver or it is allowed to operate at 50C as preferred temparature(scaling and cooling to achieve this, if performance is allowing this) as semi-conductors have decreasing resistance with higher temparature(generally, really simplified, complex as it depends on the doping). It should self-regulate to its best temparature and should only be worrysome if it is having thermal runaways
ashen spindle
lmao 1 day before release and now people come out wiht faked "leaked slides" lul
not even worth doing that this close
wheat plume
soooo how do I buy a CMOS battery? and how do I replace it?
fickle ore
walk to shop and buy and its socketed on the motherboard
fickle ore
wheat plume
oh right
I havent seen that on my computer
I will look later
could it look like this also?
reef patrol
Think... DOS
The first Xbox is the most recent thing I can think off with a leaky battery
wheat plume
seems they look like this on my PC
fickle ore
@ashen spindle RE: why rdna 2 vs nvidia 400$. Mainly it's just the price bracket why I will go AMD instead, I suspect they will have a good card in the 200-300$ bracket. Even if NVIDIA 400$ bracket is better than 2080S, It's irrelevant to me. Just need something new in the 200-300$ bracket
reef patrol
You should be able to order one with wires like that from ebay and such. It's basically just the same battery with the wires soldered on.
reef patrol
You won't need to,
wheat plume
oh
reef patrol
Like I said. Should be possible to buy a battery like that from ebay and such.
wheat plume
found it on amazon
ashen spindle
ehh then you still want something from ampere I bet, I doubt they release full stack if all we know so far is 2-3 SKUs and 1-2 are for high end lmao
the 580 is still around bc amd doesnt generally do a full product stack refresh
fickle ore
@ashen spindle Nah I'm done with Nvidia overpricing on principle..... Although I think AMD is draw call limited in dx11 vs Nvidia due to single threaded driver vs nvidia's multithreaded..
ashen spindle
I mean that's your deal, but if you are done on principle it shouldnt matter how ampere is priced at all for you then?
fickle ore
It does, if I can get 3060 for 200-300$ I will get it unless AMD's offering in that bracket is better
400$ is too much for a graphics accelerator for me
ashen spindle
Β―_(γ)_/Β― again that is fine but imo it's still pointless to specifically speculate about z, based on x and y when both are not set yet
ashen spindle
well yeah, but usually just about one point at a time if nothing is know, im not telling you you cant do it, I just dont see the point in it
fickle ore
"It is not an overhead, that was a term used about 5 years ago and it kind of stuck around. GCN as architecture does hardware scheduling leaving the multithreading to the game devs while nvidia has a more proactive software solution integrated in the drivers. If a DX11 title is not well threaded (meaning it does rendering on a single thread) Nvidiaβs solution is superior since it will split the workload and not let one core get clogged and drag framerate lower. But if the game is naturally well threaded from the studio, Nvidiaβs driver ADDS overheard because their drivers steal cpu cycles for unnecessary scheduling. Thatβs why you see this behavior in fully threaded games like BFV where high end geforces struggle a bit in 1080p but stretch their legs once the resolution increases. Anyway this applied to GCN, Navi is different and more efficient."
interesting
I need to check specific game and decide based on my most played game I guess
well yeah, but usually just about one point at a time if nothing is know, im not telling you you cant do it, I just dont see the point in it
@ashen spindle Yeah we can see when they both launch 8)
crimson wigeon
And if you're feeling lucky you can try DXVK, it might even give a boost in DX9-11 games
ashen spindle
ah tomorrow in two hours https://www.twitch.tv/nvidia
wheat plume
this man thinks plasma desktop hasnt been developed in 3 years
I was reading their new blog post 3 days ago of changes they made in the last week
misty pier
π
reef tundra
gnome is pretty much dead after their pr stunts
wheat plume
its not dead....
reef tundra
KDE is chugging along doing their thing oretty good
pale sigil
KDE is poop tho
wheat plume
I love plasma
other than its awful UI design guidelines
if plasma guidelines were as good as gnomes, Id like it
pale sigil
Saying gnome is dead is like saying Microsoft Office is dead
wheat plume
^^^
vagrant marsh
Gnome is dead
halcyon moss
pr stunts?
wheat plume
gnome aint dead tho
pr stunts?
@halcyon moss They said basically that racism towards white people wont be listened to in their workspaces
and other things
believe they dont believe that people can be racist to white people
vagrant marsh
Racism is in all forms. Especially black vs white cause they got a real hate for white people
Tho that hate is very exagurated by the media.
Black man killed! Lets leave out he was a drug junkie and a child rapist, he is black and he got killed thats all you need to know!
Its like the media wants another civil war
Maybe the media is controlled by putin
reef tundra
Rage and anger sells tho, ethics aside needed
zenith sonnet
Measured at 4K UHD with DLSS enabled on both cards, the RTX 3090 is shown offering a 100% performance gain over the RTX 2080 Ti in "Minecraft RTX,"
Lol
vagrant marsh
isnt that dlss 2.0 being upgraded as it goes being at its hight when the rtx 3090 releases, when compared to dlss 1.0 back when the 2080 came out
i mean, in the games that got dlss 2, you really notice the difference between it being on and off
reef tundra
native 16k lets go
vagrant marsh
i wonder how much k the human eye can see
cause you cant go sharper than the human eye
reef tundra
you can but it is wasted effort
vagrant marsh
you need to make leds as small as cells
reef tundra
one big led and small filters
vagrant marsh
i mean, looking really closely at my screen right now
very faintly, you can make out the squares. its not 1080p so you dont see the red blue n green no more, but i do see the squares
i got a 4k screen lets try that
ohh, its very hard on that sucker but you can still make out the squares
meaning 4k is still not small enough
reef tundra
The eye doesnt work as a camera would tho
vagrant marsh
The wording that you're looking for is "what resolution is human vision." "K" just means "thousand" and is used to refer to the roughly 4,000 vertical columns of pixels in a 4k display.
And the answer is "human vision doesn't work that way." A monitor has some number of individual pixels that are each equivalent and are each the same size, spaced evenly across the screen. The human eye has different sensitivity at different locations in your field of view.
A rough estimate of the average eye is about 576 million pixels. If we kept the same aspect ratio (ratio of width to height) as a 4k display then this is 32,000 by 18,000 pixels, so you would perhaps describe this as "32K". However, not all of that resolution is available at once. For the information available at a glance we're actually only getting about 7,000,000 pixels worth of information. The rest of the data comes from being able to move your eye and having your brain stitch things together. That's about the same resolution as a 4K TV, but your eye distributes the pixels differently.
still, imagine a screen with a pixel density so small its as sharp as a human eye can be.
32k
reef tundra
Believe that the brain also does a lot of noise filtering which will smooth the preceived image
vagrant marsh
plus, only the center part of your eye looks sharp. the rest is motion blur XD
imagine screens that as a whole are as sharp as that center part of your eye
like, a military vehicle with 32k screens surrounding the driver, he can actually look at the screen, and see a bird flying in the distance as sharp as he could with his eye.
reef tundra
and signal delay of ms and is processing a lot of frames simutaniously to make things like motion work
and the eye has a blind spot where the brain just fills the gap
due to the nerve connecting there
ashen spindle
@old marlin what are current options aside from mira for light mice?
just viper?
it looks fine, but isnt that an older sensor?
ashen spindle
I never remember which one of them is the new one
old marlin
well
ashen spindle
I just saw its a different number
old marlin
33xx is generally good enough
fickle ore
Atompalm
fickle ore
old marlin
XM1 and viper are probably the most rounded package rn
I personally also love the KPU
fickle ore
rn't there like 100's of chinese clones atm on the market, all light
ashen spindle
ye I know rjn but I dont use his list anymore, he's on a weird rant against "copied" designs etc, so I stopped using his list
vagrant marsh
get the 49" samsung :p
anodized aluminium wheel. on a plastic holder
lol
i once bought a set of knifes from Wish for only 20 bucks. im ashamed to admit that these knifes perform better than the 20 bucks per knife you usually buy locally
this set of knifes even came with free scissors, and even they perform better than the more expensive brands of scissors
im like, this is the only good purchase i ever got out of Wish, and i nourish it forever
old marlin
@prisma crag 
DON'T get a G100S in 2020
a "flawless sensor" list in 2020 is kinda weird either way
G402 is on that list lol
without anything else
yea
G100S is a good mouse from almsot any aspect
besides sensor
and an internal weight, easily removed
sensor alone makes it bad enough for me to favor a G203 with a worse shape
also there are a lot more mice with a falwless sensor
fair gull
tbf
a custom rom fixes the sensor up
its basically just a fucked firmware
but also in fairness its not easy to mod the g100s
old marlin
yea
fair gull
i like it tho
old marlin
gl putting a custom rom on
fair gull
theres a guide to using a different mcu
old marlin
it is bad enough for people to cram a g502 in it
fair gull
and they even have the firmware for it opensource
i wish i could find the post
but i def saw pics and code
and someone with too much time on their hand
old marlin
because people realized that smaller mice perform better in FPS
fair gull
im good with my default g100s tho
old marlin
I mean there is open source fimrware
fair gull
and ill use it till its literally unuseable
old marlin
if you put your own MCU on it you can put whatever on it
also model d is never a small mouse lol
I have large hands
lol
you sure?
mine might be a bit smaller
wider and thicker though
vagrant marsh
i dont have especially large hands, but i need to feel like im holding a mouse
i cant stand how people like small light mouses
old marlin
although I mysteriously have a ton of muscle mass
vagrant marsh
yea, those night at the gym got nothing to do with that
old marlin
not even sure where I should have gotten them from genetically
vagrant marsh
im trying to lose weight over here. though im not particularly fat, im still overweight. when you have reached the point where you cant see your dick when peeing you really feel like its time to turn things around, ya know
old marlin
well my bmi apparently will be stuck at slightly overweight forever
I only have to get it down there
vagrant marsh
appearently my bmi is only in the healthy zone when ive reached 74kg. at one point i was at 88kg. after a week of simply outright quitting any kind of eating candy or chips. one week, i went down to 84kg. 4kg lost by simply quitting eating pure fat. now im at 79.6kg by simply eating as few stuff as possible. i admit, sometimes on a saturday is still eat a bag of chips.
but im happy im slowly losing weight, instead of gaining it
fair gull
i think a hunger diet isnt a really healthy way but thats just my opinion
vagrant marsh
not really hunger diet. in hte morning i eat something random, like sausages on a bun, or left over dinner, or a ham cheese grill sandwich, whatever i got at the moment, then during the longer break at work i only eat a sugerless vegan bar of gingerbread, which taste weirdly good. then when i get home, i got a full plate of dinner of veggies and meat. every day meat with my dinner.
the only thing ive really changed is i stopped eating stuff on the side.
so, when i work i burn off alot of energy without adding anything to it.
and im a welder, not having an office job so i do burn off the energy :p
i think i started this diet bout 6 months ago. i dont go to a gym. im an introvert gamer, so besides work i dont do anything to lose weight, so its a slow process, but im still losing weight slowly while not massively changing my life so im not complaining
pale sigil
Well im kina being similar
Cutting down but not to much and slowly losing weight overtime.
I lose around 2-9 poun
vagrant marsh
exactly
pale sigil
depends on if i do anything physical
Like helping around the house etc
its good but its also a bitch maintaining long term
vagrant marsh
yea. my mum also lost weight and she says the same thing. losing weight is the easy part, its maintaining that weight. cause you can easily get distracted, eat a little bit of this, and a little bit of that, and poof, weight gained
pale sigil
losing weight is the easy part, its maintaining that weight
Yesnt, depends on the person haha
crimson wigeon
Yeah I decided to reduce my eating years ago and have managed to maintain my new low weight
fickle ore
@prisma crag why shit on something what you even dont know?
it's a mouse designed in US and software is US too
No?
this is a 2 guy company based on USA
Eh no
software/fw is in-house stuff, like wooting
it should be pretty obvious
vagrant marsh
what are we talking about?
fickle ore
I dunno he doesnt like that factories reside in china or somehow that equates to a bad product
vagrant marsh
dude. everything comes out of china
fickle ore
yep..
vagrant marsh
made in taiwan? nope. 99% made in china
made in south korea? still china
yes, manufactured in america with global components
AKA CHINA
says who? maybe the guy is a complete retard brother of the guy who directs the factory doing his mum a favor
how do you know?
ofcourse there is a quality control, but not everyone controls as well as the next guy
and just cause it says american made doesnt mean its better. the only difference is that htere are more rules to follow
and as long as they abide by those rules, then yes, quality in general is better but cannot be assumed
my samsung 49" screen is made in taiwan with global components.
no bad pixels, the screen works as intended
so im happy
49" screen and not a single dead pixel
now thats quality
i had so far 2 screens that had atleast 1 dead pixel, luckily, 1 screen was fixed with the old 'smash the side of it and it stops flikkering' fix
good!
1600x1200 screen?
thats old. 4:3. you hardly see that these days
why not just go 1080p like most people tho?
want to buy my 1440p 27 inch? it got a scratch on the center of the screen but its cleaned out so hardly noticable when gaming on it. only 200 euro. and i say euro cause im european, so with shipping costs its probably gonna be 400 XD
freesync 2.0
alot of freesync 2.0 screens can also gsync
well
its a grey area
nvidia says that they need to certify the screens, but technically every screen with freesync 2.0 and a displayport connector can gsync
vagrant marsh
alright
tomorrow is the big announcement
tomorrow we will finally know how deep nvidia is gonna fuck us in the wallet
crimson wigeon
Not enough I feel
nova carbon
as deep as possible 
prob 700 is my budget, but we'll see. im very upset that the memory sizes is going down this gen unless you get to top tier, new gen consoles has 10GB dedicated to gpu right? so i sort of expect at least that much if i want to have my gpu last me a while
maybe the play will just be to get like a 2080ti secondhand
vagrant marsh
if only big navi could give us the guarantee that their drivers work atleast as good as nvidia's
otherwise they sport a good bang for buck
if only the bang was bigger XD
nova carbon
im really worried that stock issues will make big navi basically a non competitor for nvidia at least for a bit after big navi launch
zen 3 might even be delayed
ashen spindle
why would zen3 be delayed
nova carbon
just somethign i read let me see if i can find
but in terms of
logistics its probably somethign to do with yields and how much shit is launcihing all at the same time all coming out of tsmc
ashen spindle
but yields are as expected if not ahead of curve
nova carbon
yeah so i make no claim to know all the statistics about silicon yields coming out of tsmc thats why i used the word probably, its just a logical guess
ashen spindle
.. but if you produce as expecte or better, where is the dealy coming from?
nova carbon
again it was a fucking guess
jfc
the articles were kinda old so probably out of date info for zen 3 delay
hmm i gotta tell my friend
slender rain
It's a bad sign if a cable comes from the mouse pad
ashen spindle
need like 800w gpu to saturate that monster psu
wheat plume
UwU
zenith sonnet
@prisma crag Why is that thing only Gold?
At that attage I'd want at least Platinum or Titanium
Gold is, what, 87% efficiency? That's some 200-250W of excess heat, lol
sacred shoal
this massive breakthrough is 40% better than our previous cards OwO
vagrant marsh
Moar rtx!
crimson wigeon
RTX ON
vast moss
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/CDemerjian/status/1300606302209675265 how to summarize issues with linux AND amd drivers in one discussion lul
Twitter
ashen spindle
well yeah that part wasn't clear hence my point being about amd drivers and not amd itself
but it doesnt quite speak for linux, if you need to compile your own version of an unreleased kernel to have your laptop function lmao
vagrant marsh
Yea. With linux.
With windows, the laptops would work just fine. So he either bought windows laptops or clean laptops, put linux on it and assumed it would work. Which it did until amd pulled the drivers.
So yea, rip native linux amd support.
I mean
Less than 1 percent of steam users got linux. Unless vm's arnt counted, in which case more people use steam but vm windows to get their games to play.
ashen spindle
ofc vms dont count, but also this is not about gaming so idk why you bring out steam numbers
vagrant marsh
I know that 1 percent of a million is still alot of people. But is it big enough to dedicate time and resources on
I meant that there arnt alot of people using linux appearently
Though steam isnt everything, its on a hellotta machines so the survey can be fairly right when seen globally.
ashen spindle
uhh yeah not even close
why would I install steam on my linux work laptop for example
vagrant marsh
Thats a good point.
shadow minnow
If I did not want to use my pc for gaming, I would go for MacBook or iMac tbh
ashen spindle
chrome OS for all the chrome books doesnt support steam for example (afaik at least not yet) and you're not going to VM on those things
vagrant marsh
I dont think that chrome books even have dedicated gpu's. Its all apu's so cant do much high graphic gaming on it
ashen spindle
? nobody ever mentioned dedicated gpus
vagrant marsh
So...you want to play call of duty cold war at 10 fps on a chromebook if you get it to run on it
shadow minnow
I mean, consoles also have APUs and have really good gaming performance for APU
vagrant marsh
A chromebook obviously isnt bought for dedicated gaming
ashen spindle
I really dont follow you, my first point was that linux and amd drivers have issues, and as anectodal joke here you have both at the same time, my second point was then about steam not showing the entire linux userbase, which you literally just confirmed with your last sentence
vagrant marsh
I still think its a fairly accurate indicative of the balance between OS users
Not every windows work laptop got steam either
Not every macbook got steam on it
So you can say of every work laptop it doesnt have steam
Would that change the numbers on the survey? I dont know
But the survey does show of every pc that does have steam installed on which os it is
shadow minnow
Also there are quite a lot of mac users who play games using Windows VMs for it as VMs on Macs are quite good.
vagrant marsh
Again, i dont know how far vm's influence the numbers.
I just take them as they are. 1% of its users got a linux os.
There are currently 20 million steam users logged in. So 200,000 people using linux. Thats still a big number ofcourse.b
shadow minnow
Yeah, there is problem with Linux, and that is one loop:
Not enough users -> not enough drivers, games... made for it
Not enough software -> not enough users
vagrant marsh
Yup. Linux is an OS for the tech savvy that wants to challange itself
crimson wigeon
Yeah AMD is rather slow at getting the bits into the kernel & Mesa, so if you're using very new hardware you're gonna need very recent kernel & Mesa..
ashen spindle
I wonder whats causing that, is it the plastic due to the heat?
or is it just the sound of the magnetic arm moving the laser
reef patrol
Probably a combination. I imagine the laser makes some noise, the arm does, and the reaction from the heat burning away the surface also does some.
pale sigil
So damn satisfying
halcyon moss
Most brand new laptops don't have everything working super well on linux for about half a year..
ashen spindle
you just not gonna follow up after mentioning leaks/spoilers for something? xD
crimson wigeon
Secret leakz
ashen spindle
Old news and fake