Unity really cannot into object caching and rendering. Gotta implement some harsh fog and cutoffs.
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
if they were to redo skylinies with the newly added DOTS features it would handle a lot more, and again, the stuff that is resource intensive in skylinies is not what a mmo would hit the most
reef patrol
Could you rip out enough core components from Unity and make it work? Sure. But is it Unity at that point then?
Most Unity games I know the developers, do nothing but rant about needing to essentially blow up Unity and rebuild it using third party solutions even for simple things.
pale sigil
Same
ashen spindle
do you know if they use DOTS/ECS for pantheon? @fickle ore
pale sigil
Though a lot of ones I know have huge boners for Unreal in general
fickle ore
@ashen spindle When was that added?
ashen spindle
I didnt ask if they started with it, it was added fairly recently
fickle ore
Sry don't know, how could one spot it?
ashen spindle
only if the devs talk about it
fickle ore
not via watching how many cores/threads a processor uses?
ashen spindle
nope
fickle ore
I'll ask around..
ashen spindle
bc I could see them, being a big game that makes use of it and unity thus developing it with them in tandem for example
fickle ore
Could be. They have hinted Unity helping them in some aspects
ashen spindle
dont think any big games has yet made use of it, so it would also be very good pr for unity
fickle ore
All I want is the new framerate-independant input system added, so I can play with highest graphic setting and still get responsive keyboard input for combat
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDQlfM4K2R4 @fickle ore
didnt watch but I guess thats DR at 5k cl18 :p
oh wow nevermind, it's 16gb single rank sticks
thick elk
Well you did comment about 2x 16gb not being single rank. So there is that.
ashen spindle
didnt know they made SR that big now
thick elk
I was thinking it may exist but I was to lazy to look it up.
Makes sence though 8gb sr has existed for quite some time and tech does move forward on this front as well.
ashen spindle
I just didnt expect them to put it into existance with DDR4, thought that would be a ddr5 release thing
thick elk
DDR5 is still some time away for even major server adoption so It makes sense from that perspective
ashen spindle
some time? both intel and amd putting it out next year
thick elk
Oh yea, time moves fast
misty saffron
fuck steelseries
the amount of solder they put on the micro usb port in arctis 7 is just unacceptable
no wonder the port on mine started working only in a certain position
reef patrol
The real crime in that sentence is Micro-USB
vagrant marsh
maybe im gonna uninstall windows 2004 update
or atleast rollback defender. it identified a torrent as a trojan, which in my windows 7 experience wasnt a good experience
anyone remember that time when microsoft shortly declared war on illegal downloading? god, i hated that period
crimson wigeon
Better just disable it entirely
reef patrol
They never stopped.
If you as much as think about having KMS software on your PC, Defender acts like it's a nuclear device. It goes into full panic mode.
frozen anchor
@fickle ore is that moue actually even available now or is it already gone or not released yet
fickle ore
@frozen anchor fall shipping ;I>
frozen anchor
weird that theres so little info about this except that
thick elk
While the video was fine I still don't like the idea of look at old videocards in general being sponsored by Nvidia
urban lynx
so apparently there is a recommendation of a 850W psu for the up coming gpu'S?
pale sigil
god old gpus are so ugly
thick elk
Noone had a window in their case so why bother, it fit the rest of the pc nicely
lofty lintel
why pay 1400 for a 3090 when you can just build your own gpu
ashen spindle
so apparently there is a recommendation of a 850W psu for the up coming gpu'S?
@urban lynx the 12 pin from seasonic shows that text, but it's more likely to be related to using it with an 850W psu to guarantee stability or something, cable is only for seasonic psu's anyway
basically means nothing but with more and more amd fanboys crawling out of the woods, gotta make everything nvidia bad ofc
aka, we have no actualy news or leaks about it
reef patrol
The Seasonic cable definitely provides more power than a 3090 needs.
It's just a modular cable that happens to use the 12pin standard.
ashen spindle
"standard" lul
reef patrol
😄
Cable not designed for 3090 as much as the 3090 is designed for 12pin, and they mention the PSU wattage like they usually do for the entire system assumption.
pale sigil
just a few more days
thick elk
I wonder if nvidia is going to increase performance this generation and not just add things on top of their product stack like with the 2000 series.
zenith sonnet
@urban lynx 3090 will draw between 300W and 525W, probably high 300s is my guess (if single GPU)
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/ryanshrout/status/1297937233958375424 tiger lake news day after ampere? nice
too bad its only mobile parts
thick elk
It does look at least somewhat promissing.
ashen spindle
sure, I just really dont care about laptops lmao
zenith sonnet
I have my doubts it can keep up with Renoir
thick elk
Mine is still on skylake 1.0 so yea, laptops are not my focus either.
zenith sonnet
Particularly with how flexible it is
urban lynx
@zenith sonnet 300 shoukd be managable to me 🤔
guess i'll wait till end of sep. though. at least
thick elk
From the leaks it does seem intel possibly gets to parity on the gpu and wins again in less threaded workloads. vs zen3
zenith sonnet
It could also be a dual GPU card. Haven't seen many in recent years, but it's a '90...
ashen spindle
thankfully for intel the laptop chips are a bit behind on amd's side, so they will compete with renoir in the laptop space even when zen3 is out
and tgl will beat renoir at least
it's just yield/scaling issues that prevents tgl to come to desktop
thick elk
Just because it scales to 65w doesn't mean it's optimal at 65w
thick elk
regardless intel will still be fighting 8 cores wit ha quad core. Even if it wins single threaded a bit it is still a tough sell.
zenith sonnet
And probably 100% higher prices
ashen spindle
4 cores? I dont remember any recent leaks about core counts for tgl
thick elk
official intel slide: https://images.idgesg.net/images/article/2019/05/2019-05-08-33-100795892-orig.jpg
not even a leak or anything
ashen spindle
... thats ice lake
thick elk
derp wrong image
ashen spindle
lol
8 cores at 65W at a later date is what I'm able to find
ye from the hot chips talk it looks like tgl-h will have 8 cores but they might first only launch -u with up to 4?
crimson wigeon
4 cores is all one needs
thick elk
As far as I know intel didn't talk about more then 4 cores for the u series chips I assume they would hint about that at least.
ashen spindle
yeah the u series wont get more than 4, 8 will be -H
ashen spindle
but 8 cores at 15W also wouldn't make much sense
thick elk
for zen 3 it does because a single core works rather well at those power levels.
ashen spindle
zen2 you mean, and thats more of a byproduct of the chiplet design
thick elk
derp yea
pale sigil
Guesses on GPU prices to come?
ashen spindle
no guess exist and wont till release
ashen spindle
I mean there is speculating and leaking and then there is random guessing
reef tundra
3 dollars take it or leave it
thick elk
Generally prices are finalized as late as possible.
Of course there will be a ballpark figure but it's mostly based on what the competition is doing / demand.
ashen spindle
god I wish I could get big navi with nvidia drivers
fickle ore
if 3060 is higher than 400$ fuck it im gona go amd
ashen spindle
is that 400 before or after tax
fickle ore
with tax im eu bro
ashen spindle
how tf am I supposed to know if you use $
thick elk
As a linux user I would not mind ampere with amd drivers, wanna trade.
fickle ore
.$€£
thick elk
I don't care about cuda and amd linux drivers being mainlined are pretty stable as far as I know.
Anyway I think people hold too much value in the name Nvidia gives the card.
ashen spindle
yeah it works on linux bx there it's not amd itself making the drivers 
thick elk
they do develop a large part of it but they don't have to deal with cleaning up their mess with driver updates.
generally the update mechanism is assumed to be a large cause of issues.
ashen spindle
Yes, Titans
fair gull
lel
thick elk
Anyway I still think it's kind of stupid to just look at 1070 = 2070 when in reality the 2070 was a replacement for the 1080 in terms of price.
To me the best way to look at things would be the current € 500 nvidia card vs the new € 500 nvidia card and so forth.
It's not like people will suddenly spend a lot more on a gpu. 300-400 is still on the higher side for the average buyer. Or I at least hope they won't suddenly spend a lot more just because the name changed.
fair gull
dual 3080tis here i come
reef tundra
Quadro if you dont like having money
ashen spindle
for a consumer choice you should look at the price, from a pure tech point you should look at what die type it is (104,106 etc.)
what do you mean higher pricing, that was all 4d chess obviously /s
god I hope I wont see bullshit like that again
thick elk
but even the die can be missleading, if they decide a more costly die is worth it because there is demand outside of enterprise even these can move down.
I must admit that there is value in looking at the most expensive thing as well but when comparing further down the stack price for price is a better measure.
reef tundra
4D? I am playing 5D chess
ashen spindle
sure but usually only adds a suffix to the die nomenclature or similar, doesnt usually move the stack, so for comparing it from a tech point its usually still the best choice
tech point = youre not looking at it to decide to buy it but actually just for tech is what I mean
also my gpu seems to start having issue so I guess perfect time to upgrade lmao
sometimes after gaming for a while I get a total freeze, doesnt happen if I open afterburner and set my OC profile
I undervolted it and upped the fan curve so I assume either of that "fixes" it
thick elk
My last upgrade was because my 7950 died after a 5 year overclock at the max voltage afterburner would allow
ashen spindle
heh thats a good lifetime for that much voltage
thick elk
28nm could handle quite a bit, I did have very minor degredation over time lowering the clocks a little bit.
ashen spindle
also I wonder if you can easily view who booked wafers at TSMC, I wonder if next year we get ampere super cards that are on tsmc and not samsung so the supers would be actually a nice upgrade potentally, at least in efficency
or if we get hopper next year already with amd putting on pressure
thick elk
I think nvidia is banking on having a sweet deal with samsung quite a bit but we shall see.
ashen spindle
sure, and I assume if by then SS has a better option they might take that, but if not and we dont get hopper, I could see them going away from SS at least for a bit, to bridge the gap till hopper and have a better look vs amd
I just hope we see decent prices and an update to gforce experience that it no longer needs a login lmao
oh, also till we then get the first reviews I am also eager to go though the leak twitter and make fun of the youtubers that just posted bullshit
wonder when we will get to know what that part is
pale sigil
RE: Prices
I really dont want a 3060 😦
if it wasn't for the fact i upgraded to 1440p i would have kept my 1070ti a year or two more
so this time around i wanna go full on so i dont have to worry for much
ashen spindle
but once again, that makes no sense to say xD we dont know the specs for the names, what if a 3060 also gets a lot of vram and is ideal for 1440p etc. the 60 might not be much worse than a 70 or whatever
pale sigil
i dont have much faith
ashen spindle
imo you should wait for big navi anyway and not get a gpu next month
ashen spindle
good
pale sigil
ill get one when i can get my entire build prob Jan
Wot
why
🤷♂️ i dont play consoles so to me it seems bizare to want one
i considered getting one to sell at a large price
I have a PS4
but i bought it when god of war came out 😄
why
if it aint broke dont fix it
i love the controller
tbh
so much
sinful dirge
Size wise and coating wise the Xbox controller is still great but yeah feature wise not so much
Tho couldn't care less for rumble I turn that off instantly but having buttons that don't drift after a while would be nice
weak lynx
Does anyone know if switch films fit into the wooting flaretechs? Im thinking about getting a wooting one and modding the hell outa it, just trying to see if theres any problems with the switch and switch films. (like if the prism gets in the way or other stuff like that)
ivory geyser
I didnt manage to get films in them.
frozen anchor
doubt you need films
ivory geyser
But I had some second-hand 3D printed ones - genuine films might fit better.
But frankly, they are quite tight as they are.
I agree with Kuuube here.
weak lynx
oh, ok ok. Thanks!
Im also gonna put an SA keycap set on it, so I hope the low profile doesnt make people want to kill me
xD
ivory geyser
Hey man, it is your keeb! :D
frozen anchor
did you just say SA and low profile in the same sentence? that is illegal
weak lynx
I know... and I cant wait to break the law @frozen anchor
but not gonna lie, gmk's look pretttty nice on the wooting on ngl
reef patrol
pale sigil
I'm questioning my life choices right now
Routines to turn my fan on +/off every 15-30 min
zenith sonnet
I'm curious to see what CTR can do for my 3700X
zenith sonnet
Haven't looked into how it works, but my guess is that it's just some advanced automatic undervolting that tries to find the lowest voltage without triggering clock stretching
And any reported performance gains are simply due to the fact that Zen 2 boosts higher and higher the cooler it gets
And maybe freeing up power when it hits a power wall
misty pier
what's CTR?
wheat plume
I wish all IDEs had this features, it tells you everywhere a method is called from
ashen spindle
hey you're finally starting to make use of visual studio features, nice
wheat plume
yeah, I had to use this to cleanup code that was created by accidently double clicking labels and boxes and whatnot in the designer xd
Would this be considered hard coding?
im using this to fill up a combobox in another class
ashen spindle
uhh sorta yea
ashen spindle
wut
wheat plume
I have a database table with all the counties in Ireland so that I can use that to fill in the combo boxes in the update and add member forms so you can select what county you are from
Ill need to do the same for the statuses too :/
and now ill need to add all this to the document :/ add a new diagram for the new table and include it in the DFD diagrams and relational schema
UGH -.- this project is stupid
IS STATUS A KEYWORD IN SQL???!!!
ivory geyser
Ngl, adding such things to DB sounds like an overkill to me
wheat plume
yeh
it is -.-
cause they will NEVER CHANGE
but she doesnt want hard coding
so this is the only solution to that
I even have a database table for counties
ivory geyser
What is a country changes its name? 
halcyon moss
pycharm has that feature too, ctrl + b
countries change more often than you think
but.. lets not start about timezones
ivory geyser
Like for real, my country changed its official international name like... a year ago.
wheat plume
O.o
ivory geyser
From Czech Republic to Czechia
wheat plume
ooohh
halcyon moss
Things created by humans, change
ivory geyser
Except for war, war never changes... 
halcyon moss
yes it does :p
ivory geyser
wheat plume
I hate oracle DB, your username and password to ligin to the DB are in plain text
at least trying to connect using C# it is
halcyon moss
most of the time with databases right?
crimson wigeon
I think that's the standard way of doing things, how else would you connect?
halcyon moss
how is this the case?
crimson wigeon
(you would definitely put the address and login details in a separate config file and not have it in your code though)
wheat plume
this is the DBConnect class we made
halcyon moss
yeah config file, fetched from env.. that kinda stuff
halcyon moss
but thats usually more deployment stuff, for local dev this is fine for now :p
ashen spindle
I mean, you somehow need to login obviously, and for a uni project it really doesnt matter that the pw is in the file and not a seperate .dll or something
crimson wigeon
Wouldn't it be more efficient to keep a single connection open and reuse that instead of making a new connection for every query
halcyon moss
make a singleton!
wheat plume
O, I should have put all that into a method to call and pass the SQL query to
THat would have been smarter
instead of copying these lines each time
the only change is the SQL query
halcyon moss
that function can keep some state, only reconnect when needed
wheat plume
it closes connection after the query is run
halcyon moss
yeah but why
wheat plume
so to not have 1000000 connections open at once when not needed anymore
LOL the lecturer gave out to me about Ram usage using .Hide() instead of .Close() when exiting a Form.....
her laptop ran out of ram
does she have 1GB ram???
I only have 4 forms in my project
and only one can be opened at a time
halcyon moss
tbf, connection pooling is an optimization.
wheat plume
anyone willing to do a small photoshop edit
I need to add a table to this diagram and its an image
ashen spindle
why do you need PS for that
ashen spindle
.... paint?
wheat plume
im too stupid
frozen anchor
you could literally use powerpoint and screenshot and crop the graphs
ashen spindle
open picture in paint, paste image of the thing onto ti, save picture
wheat plume
I got the table copied in gimp, I need to edit the text in it and create an arrow to the other table
wheat plume
how I make arrow in gimp
halcyon moss
gimp is not the best tool for that...
wheat plume
then what is?
frozen anchor
you need to download a script or download a vector arrow or something
ashen spindle
wheat plume
I dont have it
ashen spindle
you uninstalled paint? lol
wheat plume
I didnt remove anything except onedrive and teams
and the candy crush it preinstalls
ashen spindle
im pretty sure paint is still a default thing on every windows version
foggy solstice
There's no tool to draw arrows in GIMP, but you can just draw an arrow.
What kind of arrow you looking for?
frozen anchor
cut a square in half for the head of the arrow and use a rectangle for the tail maybe
wheat plume
a curved line with a solid triangle at the end
foggy solstice
Use the ink tool for the line, the triangle you'll just have to draw with the pencil or brush.
You can make it solid with the bucket tool.
wheat plume
im using paint 3d :')
ashen spindle
I mean I guess that is good enough to draw lines
foggy solstice
Inkscape is probably better, alright. You can draw arrows with it.
ashen spindle
idk just get default paint back again
foggy solstice
By the way, what happens when you do Win+R, type in mspaint and press enter?
ashen spindle
paint net is overkill for making an arrow and entering text
might as well stay with gimp then imo
foggy solstice
So is GIMP.
ashen spindle
just google how to install paint since it seems to be gone
wheat plume
thanks windows
foggy solstice
By the way, what happens when you do Win+R, type in mspaint and press enter?
wheat plume
ashen spindle
you probably used one of these "remove bloat" scripts when you installed windows and that also removed paint I bet
frozen anchor
i wonder if all the mspaint downloads on google are actually the real thing or just viruses 🤔
misty saffron
coincidentally it's the same people who blame windows for "not working properly"
foggy solstice
You probably deleted it from the system32 folder somehow.
wheat plume
ive not used a debloat script on this install
maybe removing paint3d got rid of paint?
ashen spindle
should be seperate
foggy solstice
Don't think so.
frozen anchor
what if you just throw this in system32
foggy solstice
Check system32 and sysWOW64.
wheat plume
sysWOW64? :') wtf is that file name
misty saffron
no not really
foggy solstice
I haven't checked, but that's what I reckon.
misty saffron
syswow64 contains 32-bit libraries and executables
reef patrol
Friend wants me to take a dead Macintosh Classic and put a Raspberry Pi inside. Sounds fun 😄
misty saffron
wow64 stands for windows on windows 64 pretty much
foggy solstice
Makes sense. It's related to the 64-bit thing.
misty saffron
system32 still has 32 for compatibility
wheat plume
I got a semi curve in inkscape
itll do
now must try to make a tiny ass solid triangle
foggy solstice
wheat plume
aha I found that link also xd
halcyon moss
this chat has been incredible :p
frozen anchor
oh thats actually really easy i suggested inkscape but really had no clue how to draw an arrow in it lol
halcyon moss
next option is to print, scribble with pen, scan
inkscape: draw a line, pick the arrow ends
frozen anchor
just have a tablet and draw it ez
halcyon moss
frozen anchor
wow im so good at drawing
wheat plume
XD
wheat plume
wtf is an OSU tablet
frozen anchor
just a tablet that i play osu with
its just a normal pen tablet lol
but i cant draw just because i suck
This is what osu is btw https://youtu.be/pafoDiH16q4
frozen anchor
copy and paste?
halcyon moss
what the fuck is that? is that a game?
quick time events, the game?
you just press numbers?
frozen anchor
lol you have to click the circles when the circle closing in on them is right on the hitcircle
halcyon moss
ah, rsi
frozen anchor
lmao
foggy solstice
So basically, yes.
foggy solstice
Free stuff only, nerd.
wheat plume
When I try to export the image as PNG in Inkscape
crimson wigeon
Choose a valid area then
frozen anchor
make sure you are exporting the page not selection
frozen anchor
check what size youre exporting as
if its something really big it could take awhile
or if you have a ton of points
wheat plume
its still not done exporting
frozen anchor
for really big images when i export as png they are smaller not sure why
frozen anchor
i was getting a 8mb png that end up being like 50mb jpg
ok if i put quality really low its lower but the one gets distorted a ton
lemme do 100 quality and see
crimson wigeon
Yeah it really depends on content, simple things like that should compress really well with png
frozen anchor
im using gimp with just default export settings so idk
frozen anchor
trying to find a massive image to test this for me did google remove the size filter i cant seem to find it just basic small medium and large image filters
ashen spindle
does it have any transpacrency settings that would get removed maybe?
and ye google dumbed down the image settings
frozen anchor
stupid
ashen spindle
very annoying to find 2^x images now
frozen anchor
cant even search for 4k+ images now
large counts 1080p
like thats even large
oh apparently this exists https://www.google.com/advanced_image_search
foggy solstice
PNG can do weird things though. It'll sometimes seemingly at random increase the filesize to three times what it ought to be.
frozen anchor
hmm for this it does actually compress smaller
this is the image that i was using earlier that wouldnt compress very well as a jpg
its too big for discord to load so you have to click it and open original
ashen spindle
the resolution I will be gaming on with my new gpu 
frozen anchor
lol i made it as a joke for a discord im in where theres this one channel that everybody spams "vc" in so i made an image with about 600,000 "vc"s in it
if you zoom in you can see all of the induvidual VCs
im actually really surprised that i managed to compress that down to 8mb though
thick elk
About the export settings for jpg, this is about what I use most the time:
minus safe exif
frozen anchor
yeah thats what i usually use but for some reason that makes the 12480x12480 image i put above ridiculously big
thick elk
well with just cv in there you generally want to not use jpg
frozen anchor
hmm
yeah im not really sure how the compression stuff works
but i think its weird that making that image a jpg makes it 25x larger
thick elk
jpg is a garbage format anyway, way to old but still used because alternatives never took off.
it makes it larger than png but not than the raw image
png's compression algorythm is just more efficient for simpler things.
frozen anchor
ah
thick elk
Still amazing that an image format from that's almost as old as I am is still actively used.
reef patrol
Because of the compression.
And because "everything runs it".
PNG or ... WebM have been strong contendors, but can't really fight the "but what if it won't show on X shitphone?"
fair gull
bmp is the format
literally runs everywhere
because is literally just an array of pixel values
reef patrol
thick elk
I do think webp is going to make it at some point.
Older format suffered from why include a formats that's never used / why use a format that's never compatible.
However nowadays with dynamic loading webp gets at least enough reason to be used, eventually all relevant devices will support it and a switch can be made.
Just requires apple to not be apple for a bit
wheat plume
^^
thick elk
yes I know xkcd 927
crimson wigeon
AVIF though
thick elk
Actually apple does seem to want to implement it. At that point its just waiting.
vagrant marsh
ok im on the pc now
kuuube, did you simply copy paste something alot of times? i thought it was supposed to be that picture above it
frozen anchor
no lol
frozen anchor
thats the image that i was trying to compress as a jpg but didnt work well
vagrant marsh
frozen anchor
if you zoom in you can see that its VC copy and pasted nearly 600,000 times
vagrant marsh
yes...
frozen anchor
lol i made it as a joke for a discord im in where theres this one channel that everybody spams "vc" in so i made an image with about 600,000 "vc"s in it
https://images.hdqwalls.com/wallpapers/anime-bird-sky-scenery-8k-5a.jpg if you want the image that i had in gimp
vagrant marsh
so ive put the pic on my 4k tv and put teh res also on 4k and now it looks like pink.
vagrant marsh
yea, but ive made it smaller in the browser to this size
but 2k screen isnt dense enough, but the 4k screen is, and now it looks like 1 solid blob of pink
vagrant marsh
yea, now you can see more difference between the cv's
fair gull
my disappointment is ruined
and my day is imeasureable
im sure i fucked up that meme
frozen anchor
haha
misty pier
🔎
frozen anchor
haha
think about how much pain it took me to make it
it was awful
i was sure id crashed gimp many times
but idk somehow it worked
ashen spindle
some companies always register trademarks early without even knowing what they are selling
see all the registers for 5900xt 5750xt etc on amd most recently
only thing it really shows is that MSI believes a gpu launch is close
I think 3 or 4 SKUs will be announced on the event, one launching mid sep, one or two end of september, AiB's around the same time for basic variants
GEMM goes BRRRR
yeah, I mean in pro space the rtx stuff wasn't a scam and they could actually speed up stuff by moving it to gpu from CPU calculations
ehh not really, gotta be able to ask for extra money with quadros
why not make gamers pay quadro prices and double quadro prices
thick elk
Would be interesting to have some comparisons of the average price of gpu's sold at one of the big retailers over time.
I think ultimately pricing right now comes down to three things:
1: The average consumer does not simply look at price vs performance in a uniform fashion, so when a card is a bit of a worse deal on average it's market share will not drop to 0
2: neither amd nor nvidia are agressively persuing more marketshare by lowering their margins
3: consumers are willing to pay these higher prices in large enough numbers.
ashen spindle
geizhals has prices over time for individual parts, pretty sure there are site that easilt collect that
thick elk
What I would want to see is the average price gpu's in general are sold at over time.
So to compare you would have to look at sales volume as well.
As high end models have gone up in price did the actual buyers move with the gpu branding or with equivelent prices.
I could do something with the steam hardware survay but that is rather international and also includes a lot of sales from other regions and also laptop parts.
vagrant marsh
but why
ashen spindle
frozen anchor
impossible has to be real clearly
vagrant marsh
besides, one of the ps manufacturers already showed the 12 pin connector
its actually rather small
ashen spindle
wait you were serious?
LMAO
I mean, not I totally believe this, the 12 pin is for the 3080, the 3090 will come with an integrated psu of 850watt just for the card, so you can just plug the card into the wall
it all makes sense now, the new cooler is bc the backside is just a full PSU
misty pier
gotta power that mini computer with a direct line to the wall
fickle ore
kek doubt have money for gpu when I buy 8khz polling mouse
frozen anchor
which one
oh where are you in the world
i got one a bit ago
you should be able to get one if youre quick enough
no its out
its been out for a long time
its near impossible to get one though because they sell out so fast
i just got really lucky so i got one
i dont really care too much about the resolution
and in most games i cant run fast enough for that anyways
i mostly bought the monitor for osu
tbh i cant feel a big difference between even 60hz and 240hz in fps games
but for me in osu its huge
well i can react to circles appearing faster and stuff like that also but it didnt feel like a bit improvement in fps
i cant run every game at 240+ fps but the ones i can or even the ones that run around 160-200 i dont really feel a big difference from 60hz
well if i play a osu on 60 it feels awful... idk its weird
proud nacelle
Why the hell does having a load on a HDD freeze explorer? nonsense.
proud nacelle
Also compressed audio files shouldn't exist. They are a pain in the ass to extract.
old marlin
all audio files are compressed 
old marlin
ah
well different thing
but tf2 had raw audio files
for all languages
which then got replaced by more compressed ones later on
and the file size shrunk a couple gb
proud nacelle
tbf
at least they have tools which are usable to extract said files
like gcfscape
unlike say, other formats.
not to mention valve actually ships a gcf commandline tool
old marlin
supposedly more tiring
zenith sonnet
The only times I ever had problems with my unusually dry eyes was when I was using contact lenses for 16h+ in front of the screen
Too dry to wash all the dirt away in that case
zenith sonnet
Meh
I don't believe it
And even then, it doesn't sound like it' worth the tradeoff
reef patrol
Today's shower thought - What if Epic is trying to shake the hornets nest so much that Trump bans Tencent investments and void them. 😂
ashen spindle
tencent has a 40% stake, not majority
and afaik their funding series have been where they got most of their money and those are done transactions
reef patrol
40% is a LOT of influence.
And they can do the old "buy shares anonymously" thing 😄
Those 40% has also risen astronomically in value since Tencent bought them for peanuts.
ashen spindle
you do know they are not a publicly traded company? much much harder to buy that anonymously
ashen spindle
yeye
ashen spindle
slack ez
old marlin
please no
wtf was that other one called
guilded?
yea
now let's see who tf made it
reef patrol
ashen spindle
apparently nvidia will drop a trailer today that will confirm the 12 pin
reef patrol
apparently nvidia will drop a trailer today that will confirm the 12 pin
@ashen spindle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEzI02SKALY
People are already hating on it.
ashen spindle
oh nice, I'll watch it after this devcom talk is over
watching a talk about the AI they made in surge2 right now
reef patrol
And with good reason. What the fuck is that angled, poorly oriented port. It's like nVidia wants to combat WC.
halcyon moss
@wheat plume https://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/
reef patrol
I hate whoever designed Apple keyboards 30 years ago. The spacebar has the dumbest mounting mechanic I have seen on a mech to date.
thick elk
Listening to the video I hear the team struggling with the amount of power the card needs to pull.
reef patrol
One central Alps switch, and then a weird "pipe" on the left offset that just helps with stabilization. So far so good.
Then you have the metal bar approach...which is nigh impossible to actually click into place when you're trying to put the spacebar back on.
halcyon moss
this is a post from 2008, haha
reef patrol
I gave up after a solid 10 minutes.
wheat plume
Or on another plattform
@old marlinhttps://developer.chrome.com/multidevice/user-agent
old marlin
@reef patrol alps stabilization is weird
Seen that in conjuction with costar stabilizers AND a dead switch
To stabilize one spacebar
reef patrol
I am this close to selling it on, unless I can find someone showing a way to pop those back in. Without them the spacebar just bottoms and gets stuck. 😦
old marlin
uhhh
I know how to get them in
it is a bit weird
taking it out of the case can make it quite a bit easier
old marlin
you basically have to align the spacebar on tope of the space and switch
and then push in the wire with a small screwdriver
that is what I always did at least
reef patrol
Tried the screwdriver approach. Just isn't any room to do that - And the stab wire keeps moving away. 😄
But maybe with the entire case "off" I might be able to.
reef patrol
Again - No room 😄
old marlin
rip
reef patrol
As soon as the spacebar is aligned with the "dead switch", the gap is too small to do anything meaningful.
reef patrol
Peg. Thank you
ashen spindle
huh that video was uh unexpected? Obviously a marketing video but still neat to get a few looks into something they usually dont talk about
reef patrol
It'll help make the fanboys go "But look at all of the tech they put into it" when they hear the price 😄
ashen spindle
yea...
thick elk
To me it mostly looked like engineers explaining how they had to deal with a card pulling a million watts.
ashen spindle
sure, but that feat is still interesting to hear about :p
thick elk
Indeed, it was actually not bad at all.
ashen spindle
after all, put an amazing heat sink on a lower power card and you can run it even quieter and such etc. it doesn't mean it has to now always get power hungrier
as for the weird angled 12 pin, idk, I'd have to see it on an actual card, the size looked weird on the drawing, could still be an annoying placement or maybe it makes it easier to plug in? I dont build enough pcs to make a guess there
thick elk
Looking at the placement I think it's mostly put that way to optimize for boardspace. With that fan on the back the pcb has to be shorter.
I don't think it will be too awkward, fairly similar to just having the connectors on top, maybe a bit better but not too bad imo.
reef patrol
No single slot blocks for FE that's for sure.
ashen spindle
oh you mean for watercooling?
reef patrol
Yep.
proud nacelle
@prisma crag .pck, .bnk and .wwise/.wav. extracting them requires quickbms and some quickbms scripts, bnkextr, wav2ogg, revorb and a hex editor. Quickbms extracts the files from .pck, bnkextr extracts the .bnk files, quickbms again with a different script to convert .wwise files to their correct name, ww2ogg to convert .wwise to .ogg, revorb to fix files and then finally using a hex editor on the extracted .bnk files to match them with the .ogg files. I have 18263 ogg files. just to try and find some fucking unreleased music. life is pain
Also doesn't help that certain said tools don't exist on the internet anymore and I have to get them from shady places. this is fine.
vagrant marsh
ashen spindle
aka manual OC
vagrant marsh
this overclocks with the press of a button.
ashen spindle
well yes but no
vagrant marsh
it circumvents manual overclocking
reef patrol
It's like auto OC. But actually good 😆
vagrant marsh
well, i already maxed out the oc of my cpu so i wont need it. might give it a try some time tho.
ashen spindle
you still need to set certain stuff you dont know, its not gpu boost 3.0 equivalent
reef patrol
Aside from setting a few things in BIOS beforehand, it is more or less hands off. And those things are explained.
vagrant marsh
well, you need to adjust bios to allow the program to do its own overclocking, but those are the only stuff you need to adjust
reef patrol
Keep in mind this still isn't released.
ashen spindle
and only for 3950x and up of minimal use,
reef patrol
This is still hours faster than trying to tweak each individual core, not to mention requires zero knowledge.
vagrant marsh
no, all zen 2 amd's
reef patrol
That's just wrong, Quin 😆
vagrant marsh
seriously quin, watch the vid before you type anything more
it explains everything
proud nacelle
@prisma crag appreciate it, but I already made my own hackish solution with bash. I will definitively use that for next time however, never even knew that was a thing.
ashen spindle
they literally say it's mostly for zen2 with multiple CCX
reef patrol
"more" which isn't "only"
vagrant marsh
every zen2, the more ccx you have, the better hte results, but it works for every zen 2 cpu
ashen spindle
I never said it doesnt work anywhere?
reef patrol
vagrant marsh
fair gull
reef patrol
I'd hardly call a "up to 10%" boost minimal use. Will it work for everyone? No. But you're not exactly spending any time on it either.
ashen spindle
just that with their result on the 3970x I think it was? I dont see you getting anything that is not normal deviation for a 1ccx chip
yes
vagrant marsh
5 minutes in bios. and then 2 minutes installing this program and ryzen master, and hten you press a button, let the program run its course, and behold, overclocking done for you.
reef patrol
Look at it this way - it does the boring work of testing all of your cores for you. That's a lot of time saved.
Didn't want to OC? This does it for you and safely.
ashen spindle
nobody said otherwise Locke 😅
zenith sonnet
From my understanding the tool does not OC?
zenith sonnet
Oh? How much?
reef patrol
As much as it can within the specifications given.
ashen spindle
all I said is that nobody will know what to put here if they wouldn't understand OC'ing anyway, so it's mostly a tool to make it slightly faster, it's not a gpu3.0 where you literally let the tool do the thing was my entire point xD
vagrant marsh
they dont have to
the tool does that for you
you literally only have to press that button that allows the overclock. the tool does the overclocking for you.
seriously quin
watch
the
fucking
vid
ashen spindle
I did on release
ashen spindle
jesus christ im not saying it's broken and doesnt work
vagrant marsh
you say people are confused by hte numbers
anthony explains the tool does the numbers for you
you can tweak the numbers if you want to, but the tool does all the overclocking for you
it detects when your cpu becomes unstable, which cores become unstable, and overclocks it safely
reef patrol
I feel like 99% of the conversation could have been solved by Quin watching the video.
vagrant marsh
yes!
ashen spindle
which I did on release two days ago...
reef patrol
The tool picks settings for you based on known tests. That means if the Devs don't have a chip in hand, it can't do that. But they can help you guess if you contact them.
It literally IS that.
ashen spindle
I'm saying the tool gives a 1.3% on a 3970x, which has 32 cores so that's 4 CCX right? and the tool operates on ccx level, meaning you should expect less on a lower chip
reef patrol
It gave that on THAT specific die.
As explained in the video, they've seen results of upwards to 10% - And that was with (as I understand) safer settings, not "enthusiast overclocking"
Again - Automatic tool gives you anywhere from 0 to 10% free boost.
ashen spindle
10% on a 3990x? I dont recall where they said that was seen on
reef patrol
ON A CPU
ashen spindle
yes on what cpu
reef patrol
Mister "I watched the video on release" 😛
ashen spindle
so on what cpu did they achieve it on?
ashen spindle
very nice answer
ashen spindle
.. then give me a timestamp? the result they got in R20 was the 1.3% I talked about
vagrant marsh
on a 3970x, which the creator of the tool himself didnt test the program on yet
ashen spindle
..yes, I'm waiting for what cpu the 10% was achieved on because that can change or support the argument I want to make
vagrant marsh
ask him?
reef patrol
To hand the answer on a golden plate (you lazy bastard), they show results of a 3900X and a 3960X in the video.
ashen spindle
70 you mean?
reef patrol
I know what I said.
ashen spindle
zenith sonnet
How many fucking ads does he have in that short clip?
ashen spindle
ok so you talk about the data they got from usmus and not their own
reef patrol
Yeah - You didn't watch the video
Because the percentages are what Linus said Usmus said they had achieved.
At no point did Linus claim theirs did that...
ashen spindle
no I interpreted you saying "they've seen x" as they have actually seen that and not got the data from someone else
reef patrol
The software isn't released. There literally is only the developer who has it! Reeee xD
ashen spindle
except they got it so they could've very well tested it on more than the 3970x???
reef patrol
Note to self: Quintosh never watches anything they claim to. Just watch the entire thing and hand them everything on a platter. Because fuck if they want to do any - ANY - research 😄
ashen spindle
sure..
reef patrol
You've literally done nothing but confirm that.
vagrant marsh
just kidding quin
ashen spindle
yes the entire time I skipped over the first parts because I was looking for them showing their own data on it, because that''s how I interpreted what you said
reef patrol
So you didn't watch it. Thank you.
ashen spindle
I did on release, I did not fully rewatch it now, because I misunderstood what you meant, so why would I watch the intro again, if I thought you were referencing to something at the end
what I wanted to get at, is that just based on what they've seen, a 1.3% increase on a chip with twice as many CCX as the AM4 chips offer, you would not get really much out of it, if you just click the auto tune compared to ryzen master or whatever the amd tools for it are. It's nice to have something that offers intel XTU features and auto tests it, but it's not like you would get equal gains to gpu 3.0 implementations without knowing OC stuff
now if the 8% on the AM4 chip is not the exception then it might be better than what it looks like right now even without knowing more things about OC
but sure, feel free to say me misunderstanding what you meant, means I am to lazy to watch a video
reef patrol
Good.
zenith sonnet
I think chips are more thermally limited will benefit more
Particularly those running >60°C
My 3700X already boosts to 4.4 on all cores, sometimes 4.425 on the best 2
But is actually limited by power draw on nT loads
plush summit
if [$var != "/dev/sd[a-z]"];```am i mising something?
for some reason the data stored in var is printed instead of returning false if not inline with "/dev/sd[a-z]"
thick elk
regex in single brackets?
thick elk
tried double square brackets?
if it's specifically bash
didn't know [a-z] worked in this form
plush summit
aparently it does
im writing a script to install linux quick and dirty
double brackets doesnt change anything
thick elk
btw ideally you'd use "$var" or "${var}" in general because if there are spaces things can break though possibly not in this case
crimson wigeon
Also add spaces so the brackets don't touch, might sound stupid it probably is but shell scripts in general are dumb so that might matter
plush summit
tthe script usecase is assuming the user knows what they are doing
thick elk
oh yea spaces, didn't see that one
that breaks things
could you post a bigger part of the script
plush summit
i had to rewrite it because the base linux installer has bash only
i wanted to script it in fish
thick elk
this should work: if [[ "$var" != "/dev/sd"[a-z] ]];
thick elk
also you need double square brackets for this
plush summit
why?
thick elk
because it's a bash feature
basically certain features require the [[ ]] it's a different way to process
btw what I posted will also match /dev/sdgtfo
thick elk
that should seem to work
plush summit
it does not work
thick elk
did you make sure there is a space between that and the brackets because I tested it working
plush summit
now it throws a syntax error
thick elk
#!/bin/bash var="/dev/sdc" if [[ "$var" != "/dev/sd"?[a-z] ]]; then echo true else echo false fi
plush summit
yeah
thats what it is
it still allows for extra characters after the last unspecified character
thick elk
?[a-z] is a single character match
thick elk
Another thing to note though I do not know if it's relevant is you won't match nvme drivers the way you are doing.
for example I have /dev/nvme0n1 and /dev/nvme1n1 as drives
plush summit
i dont have nvme drives
proud nacelle
I remember having this issue with [X-Y] arguments
Sadly I don't remember how I fixed it
plush summit
is it just bash being stupid?
proud nacelle
No. It's just the documentation for said thing is wrong
plush summit
wll thats shit
thick elk
maybe version differences because my sample works for me as it should
plush summit
sucks if anyone wanted to use the documentation
proud nacelle
Can you try using the busybox shell instead?
plush summit
this script wil be run with zero install
proud nacelle
See if that would work.
reef tundra
just use the * wildcard
proud nacelle
Doesn't the wildcard just give everything though?
plush summit
yeah
reef tundra
Yes but there should be one for one character
thick elk
?* should be similar
reef tundra
? (question mark) this can represent any single character. If you specified something at the command line like "hd?" GNU/Linux would look for hda, hdb, hdc and every other letter/number between a-z, 0-9.
proud nacelle
? is a single character. Any
reef tundra
plush summit
i just want a single character
proud nacelle
No wonder your script isn't working
plush summit
from a-z
reef tundra
You can define /dev/sd*2 go get every /dev/sd that has been numbered 2
Giving 2 wildcards means it has to match the wildcards with something
reef tundra
?* means atleast two characters
plush summit
why does that work
proud nacelle
Because
You are trying to take a random char
And then trying to use [a-z]
So assume you have /dev/sdX
? gets the X
thick elk
oh yea, I usually just default to regex, or * infinite expansions
proud nacelle
but [a-z] finds nothing.
reef tundra
A wildcard has to be met with something
proud nacelle
Since there is no [a-z] after X.
plush summit
logic would have me specify that i want a character and then the range
i guess thats different here
proud nacelle
However
If you had for example
/dev/sdXX
It would work
But we are talking a fuckton of drives to get over /dev/sdXX
reef tundra
or the admin just defined that as such
reef tundra
and partions are a thing
proud nacelle
Udev generally manages that
Yes but partitions are numbers not /dev/sdX
Partitions are /dev/sdaXXX
proud nacelle
Well that's a you problem then
plush summit
this is a dirty script just supposed to be used for my own small systems
nothing more
if others want to tweak it and make it better they can
proud nacelle
Also LordBloat, they kinda have to follow convention AFAIK
Unless you symlink
Since AFAIK the kernel enumerates files as /dev/sdX internally.
So unless you change the kernel, goodluck not having /dev/sdX.
reef tundra
The last image that was send requested for two characters after /dev/sd. First wildcard is anything the second has been limited to a-z. Thus /dev/sdaz would match but /dev/sda1 will not as the second wildcard is not met which does not accept nothing
plush summit
to pass characters into other programs like gdisk i need to echo them?
proud nacelle
echo "things to be done" | gdisk
reef tundra
fdisk
proud nacelle
Unless you are running a program that already outputs to stdout
fdisk != gdisk
one is mbr other is gpt
plush summit
mbr is obsolete
proud nacelle
not for ssds tbh
plush summit
cfdisk is what i used to set my system up
but this is command line only
cfdisk is a ui
proud nacelle
ssds haven't reached >2tb yet with reasonable cost
plush summit
still
reef tundra
or 'sudo dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sd* && su nobody'
plush summit
guid is better than having an mbr and partition limit
proud nacelle
Well tbh
Unless you're making custom partitions for /var, /usr, etc, you're likely not gonna hit that limit
But you do you
plush summit
i just make a custon partition for boot home swap and root
boot swap and root will be on the same drive
thats my setup anyway
reef tundra
I have three partitions for my system root, boot, home
reef tundra
do make sure the swapfile has no holes tho
proud nacelle
true that
reef tundra
Be resourcefull use minimal programs to get stuff done
reef tundra
You can also use dd to burn iso's
proud nacelle
dd live iso's
reef tundra
yup
But it is a blunt instument and hopes the user is somewhat competent to make sure it is safe to do so
It will write null to the root if told so
pale sigil
Mage
ashen spindle
Mage
reef tundra
It is always good to first use man on the command to learn what you are doing
proud nacelle
ehhhhh
yesn't
the smaller the program the more possible it is to read man
the bigger, the more impossible.
reef tundra
-h or --help should be working with most normal programs
proud nacelle
-h generally does it
reef tundra
-- is a gnu thing
proud nacelle
tbf
i use -- since - options are a mess
not to mention capitals vs lowercase options
some have very drastic differences
thick elk
So what are you actually trying to do exactly?
It remends me of some crappy thing I wrote a year or so ago.
A script on a bootable usb to automatically add an extra partition to fill the rest of the drive.
reef tundra
bootstrapping?
proud nacelle
reef tundra
You must throw this ring in the vulcano lol
crimson wigeon
Modern fdisk does GPT though
proud nacelle
True
reef tundra
fdisk does gpt no prob
proud nacelle
But depending on how old the program is...
Rather take no chances tbh
Never know
thick elk
when using fdisk in a script you should use sfdisk
reef tundra
I like rolling dices where can i enter?
proud nacelle
a live production environment.
reef tundra
Need to feed that gambling addiction somehow
I love pushing to master without a branch merge it just saves more time
proud nacelle
reef tundra
I dont like those odds change it to % 1 or im out
thick elk
Reminds me of a large mess I made cd / and then rm -R *
Luckily I could recover from what I lost before I noticed
reef tundra
Also use shred way more epic ness
proud nacelle
I also accidentally used rm -rf on my hdd directory once...
thank god for recovery utilities thou
thick elk
I basically wanted to wipe an external hard drive I mounted on /mnt but forgot to cd there and ran it on / instead
reef tundra
Luckly you had setup the privelages correctly and did no damage 🙂
crimson wigeon
Imagine not using root for everything
proud nacelle
imagine not being in single user mode/using a single user kernel
reef tundra
Imagine a world where you dont sudo su on .bashrc