yea I am asking on the discord
#πβtech
sick creek
π
shadow minnow
Also, this may be interesting if it is truth
old marlin
ok scam prices
electrophoresis yellow is the same price as purple ano
electrophoresis white is 80 USD more though
same discount on all of them
ashen spindle
yes bexin we've went over this earlier already, its ampere release
sinful dirge
which will most likely force win 10 2004 which is absolutely garbage
ashen spindle
what
fair gull
21 years
win10 2004
sinful dirge
win 10 2004 has a ton of latency you can't turn off updates anymore at all (great idea in a business environment microsoft) other things dont work anymore
ofc its ampere i'm talking about the hardware going to need win 10 2004
fair gull
in a business env ud have a win server controlling update rollout
old marlin
@sick creek yea their discord is completely useless
ashen spindle
I'm talking about the hardware going to need win 10 2004
what
sinful dirge
yeah which isnt possible under win 10 pro cause they took away that option @fair gull
fair gull
what
crimson wigeon
wut
fair gull
ofc thats available
fickle ore
@sinful dirge Where do you think Windows 2004 has latency?
sinful dirge
no it can be delayed under enterprise managing but group policy edits are ignored since 2004
ashen spindle
nonono , why would it required 2004
fair gull
all my customers that run 2004 and a winserver still only get updates when i want it
sinful dirge
ok they did fix that then
one update did mess that up i havent been keeping track of 2004 as closely
fair gull
if windows servers and their policies would be ignored windows would literally anger the entire industry they focus on
businesses
sinful dirge
on win 10 pro they get ignored after a month with updates forced off in gpedit
sinful dirge
well lots of info in here LOL
ashen spindle
can we go back to why you think the latest windows is needed
sinful dirge
some of the new features most likely will require 2004 but its not 100% sure
but if enough people complain they will do like what happened to some other hardware where they did patch in for older versions
ashen spindle
ok so what you wanted to say, is that on older windows version you maybe can't use all the features
just like you can't use rtx on older builds that dont have the windows RT api
wow what a surprise
sinful dirge
depends on how far they push it
fair gull
i wouldnt be aware of anything 2004 brought that wasnt in 1909
graphics related that is
Update less: Last year, we changed update installation policies for Windows 10 to only target devices running a feature update version that is nearing end of service. As a result, many devices are only updating once a year. To enable all devices to make the most of this policy change, and to prevent confusion, we have removed deferrals from the Windows Update settings Advanced Options page starting on Windows 10, version 2004. If you wish to continue leveraging deferrals, you can use local Group Policy (Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Windows Update for Business > Select when Preview builds and Feature Updates are received or Select when Quality Updates are received). For more information about this change, see Simplified Windows Update settings for end users.
business specific btw
sinful dirge
ah gotcha that wasnt in the build i tested for enterprise glad to see thats back
fair gull
theres very small changes in terms of graphics stuff
most interesting would really be the dx12 changes
sinful dirge
@fickle ore win 10 has added latency to the kernel since a while ago mostly the spectre / meltdown changes
cheers for the link @fair gull
reef patrol
Not touching 2004 till my game experience is fixed π
Two games I played got fucked up hard.
ashen spindle
is this going to be another discussion like the nvidia thing where people complained about added latency in the nanosecond range?
fickle ore
@sinful dirge Mostly the latency is with Intel, not AMD. Yeah sadly I think AMD take a bit of a hit
sinful dirge
true
honestly what i'd wish most for is microsoft doing what apple did a while ago and go directly to the hw
ashen spindle
again, can either of you please provide any numbers for this latency hit
sinful dirge
atm no : my 1909 rig is not plugged in
ashen spindle
dont need exact numbers, 10ns, 10ms range etc.
fickle ore
calculate it
Since you seem to include me in this (although I had no part), MSI mode was a 5% diff in synthetics.
The things he talks are different but also 0-400% differences
ashen spindle
just wanted to make sure we're not having a brainded argument again bc it adds 15ns of latency
fickle ore
Nobody ever was talking about nanoseconds
ashen spindle
yes yes, remember the talk about intel HT adding latency to nvidia drivers?
fickle ore
I always talked about microseconds and milliseconds, which are very large time windows in computer time
Nanoseconds are something different
sinful dirge
for averages the nr's are not that far inbetween 1709 and 2004 however the spikes are pretty different between both versions
ashen spindle
?? how am I twisting words
fickle ore
If you insist I talked about nanoseconds in the past
ashen spindle
I'm pretty sure it was you who argued about the inlte HT/nvidia driver latency
fickle ore
Yes? And who said the difference was 15ns?
ashen spindle
ok the 15 was made up bc I could only remember it was double digit ns range
fickle ore
No
ashen spindle
the only data anyone ever linked was a link to nvidia forums and there it was in the nanoseconds, nobody ever was able to link anything else
old marlin
@frozen anchor sound test is HPs 
fickle ore
0,2 microsecond ISR latencies (NON HT) vs 200 microsecond (0,2 ms) latencies with HT enabled a few years ago.
I could screenshot it for you if I cared, but you can also do it yourself via IDLT
But it's perfectly normal. Virtual cores add some latency.
ashen spindle
idlt?
fickle ore
ashen spindle
interresting,a lso cant test it since I have no HT
fickle ore
read MSI mode's effect on bench
some recent talk about nvidia drivers https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/wbinvd.433540/ that I talked couple years back
ashen spindle
hey nice, actual numbers, not "it adds latency" and I have to find numbers myself
fickle ore
Sorry I'm too lazy
ashen spindle
no this is fine
but the last 3 times this discussion came up here nobody could be arsed to post numbers and just argued "its worse"
fickle ore
yup, sounds like me
sinful dirge
Yeah sorry that I'm not giving nrs I'm currently backing up my main rig to ship off a broken 9900k
ashen spindle
then I posted its in nanoseconds range and there came no "no its worse" just that that was bad enough already
no its fine
just wanted to make sure it's not just a difference in an academic setting
sinful dirge
9900k with die to ihs heat transfer issues throttles under stock with a 360mm rad lol
Gotcha my biggest gripe with 1909 and up is still no fixes for terrible memory management forced vsync due to full screen optimizations and a few others
fickle ore
This is the worst offender and has only got worse. This is a pic from 2019
And a lot of mitigations since
sick creek
@old marlin lmao well you should be happy
sick creek
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
sinful dirge
@fair gull the problem is when there are multiple offenders just a few are outliers
fair gull
as a frame of reference https://discordjs.moe/uWGerOpYMT.png
sick creek
i have a drop ctrl high profile with holy pandas and i love it
old marlin
yea
sick creek
and sa keycaps
fair gull
this is such a small time that i cant even really relate it with ms
sick creek
i think that's a matter of opinion
in comparison to this keyboard i'm on now, the wooting sounds like a $5 keyboard
fair gull
at 5ghz default boost we are sub 100ns https://discordjs.moe/scayovrLmS.png
old marlin
welllllll
a gmmk beats it in sound
my womier beats both easily
also beats a drop alt or ctrl
sick creek
again... you're going off 1 video 1 set of keycaps
old marlin
in sound at least
yea
gmk
which should be one of the best for sound
the gmmk has some OEM profile ones
sick creek
so you think they have the same exact mic setup
old marlin
so thin ablated ABS
no
the gmmk one is worse
i have NEVER heard HPs sound that bad
sick creek
so why bother making the comparison
sick creek
i'm not worried about it lmao
old marlin
they majorly fucked something up
fickle ore
@fair gull I don't think you understand it that well. What when there are thousands or hundred of thousands operations going on at the same time?
fickle ore
notice? where?
sick creek
it's a cnc milled chunk of aluminum, it really can't be that bad. i think you need to get it in the hands of someone like chyrosan before you can really make a judgement
fickle ore
throughtput? sure? avg fps, sure? Science simulations? Sure
fair gull
i havent noticed a dent in any of it that would make me go "huh this is shit"
sick creek
i think based off of two crap videos it's not worth making that jump
old marlin
this is bad for example
good mic setup
so you hear the flaws better lol
yea
any video of HPs sounds better
like ANY
sick creek
yea but you dont know if the mic quality is affecting the sound negatively
i mean they are chinese lol
old marlin
well it would have to remove the signature of the switch
COMPLETELY
it removed the whole reason why people get HP
sick creek
which is?
old marlin
the sound
old marlin
well you bought it for hype
sick creek
wat
sick creek
thats not why i got em
sick creek
yes you are in my head
old marlin
tells me how much you know
sick creek
you know exactly why i bought them
old marlin
I mean you bought a drop keeb as well
sick creek
yes because i liked it
i also pre-ordered the CFTKB mysterium v2
because i liked it
old marlin
?
sick creek
i didnt buy cyberboard for the sound
old marlin
are you telling me a drop alt or ctrl was carefully designed?
sick creek
i bought it because it's ridiculous
sick creek
haha as if i give a shit what the pcb looks like
sick creek
keyboard works, who cares
old marlin
what matters is the thought put into the board
fair gull
autorouting of doom lol
sick creek
ok so design your own
old marlin
sick creek
i dont get it
sick creek
ok then...?
reef patrol
What are you on about? That looks awesome π
fair gull
i think actually... most autorouters can do better than that
fair gull
backed by million dollar company
cant afford 5$ autorouting sub to a decent ai rotuer
old marlin
or copy an existing design
sick creek
sounds like you should start being nice to people then instead of imagining you can do better
fair gull
bro
old marlin
I can do better though
old marlin
exactly
fair gull
this is top notch lazyness
sick creek
it's a TKL keyboard 
reef patrol
You people are making me want to mute the channel. It's like an endless whiny complaining record π
old marlin
ig bad design gets rewarded
sick creek
π oh because it's mainstream
old marlin
"why do you care"
reef patrol
We care - We just get incredibly tired of your go to response being "it bad - I do better". π
sick creek
dude if you want to manually create your own PCBs and cry like the curmudgeon you are
old marlin
sick creek
then go for it
fair gull
still have a kbd design somewhere
old marlin
liek I said
fair gull
give me sec to find it
sick creek
yes yes now be quiet
old marlin
yea ok
reef patrol
Ahem
reef patrol
Show off your board in #archived_wootstations or PM me your Lekker order mail confirmation. Won't take many seconds to fix. π
old marlin
how long did that take?
fair gull
5minutes of google
old marlin
3 minutes including opening the programm and file?
fair gull
lol
fair gull
like u can literally find free gerber files on the net
old marlin
now just copy some korean design
fair gull
with better routing
fair gull
sinful dirge
lol @fair gull thats kinda sad tbh
fair gull
even has a joystick
vagrant marsh
now call it a logic tech and sell it on Wish
fair gull
old marlin
and people buy it cause randomfrankp used it
fair gull
even the firmware is in the repo
old marlin
thanks
10/10 design
very carefully made
saved the 0.02 cents in labor not picking a decent autorouter
old marlin
nahh too much effort
fair gull
like 50,60,70% and fullsize
fair gull
but literally nothing hard about using a decent autorouter
the hard part would actually be shematics and firmware
not routing the shit
old marlin
but I guess nobody cares, just save the 2 seconds and do this
fair gull
psure this might not even really be routed with anything
but the "go round stuff like holes"
and then just do shortest path
fair gull
i bet we could sell an open source keyboard for cheaper and make more money
lol
as a "solder yourself" kit
not even assembled
old marlin
and now have enough money to make and sell it
SMD is cheap enough
if I had 2k I could make and run a board that sounds better than either of those
for under 200 USD
fair gull
do it
fair gull
ask some company to sponsor you
old marlin
won't happen
got no design background
am still in training
nothing of financial worth as a security
so maybe in a few years when I earn more than 1k after tax
not as simple as "just do it"
but apparently not having enough money or being able to design makes you not being able to comment on it
fair gull
also thought about doing some pcb/hardware dev and selling it but more in the direction of modchips and/or rom replacement cartridges for old consoles
old marlin
well you usually can't do such stuff for monet
and I'd feel horrible for ripping people off with imate clones
fair gull
no like
as in
what redherring does for example
boards that basically can accept the original rom
and just make the games last longer
so that failing hardware like cpus etc isnt a problem
old marlin
which shrinks your target group even more
yea ik
but I could just go to work more
and get my overtime paid out
I'd get more money
fair gull
ya but less freetime and enjoyment
i just enjoy doing schematics and pcb design
and related firmware
old marlin
I would enjoy designing it
but not getting the final product makes it not so fun for me
even getting it as a decent 3dprint would be expensive
shadow minnow
Person who noticed this is 5Head
ashen spindle
old marlin
shadow minnow
So Quin is also 5Head 
fair gull
id guess its old news
shadow minnow
They went with 21 year 21 day marketing today so not that old
fair gull
at least 4.5hrs old
shadow minnow
Wow so old
fair gull
we already added 20cores in those 4.5hrs
and researched 200gbase-t copper transfer speeds
reef patrol
FML
Ordered a Corsair case and a Corsair AIO...but the AIO is too T H I C C to fit.
Never buying a discount Corsair case again xD
fair gull
cant be too thick ever
reef patrol
Not rad thickness sadly. The tubing part extends down into the GPU, unless your case has enough clearance above for fans.
shadow minnow
@reef patrol this? 
sick creek
F
reef patrol
35$ mistake shortterm.
sick creek
was this also to get around the asetek patents? lol
reef patrol
I can probably sell it later.
was this also to get around the asetek patents? lol
@sick creek Definitely. The pump is in the rad side thing not the pump head. Just look at how slim the head is.
reef patrol
At least I can two day deliver an air cooler that will definitely fit instead.
Then I'll just sell the H45 on.
old marlin
deepcool did that better
pump is in a second chamber above the coldplate
not sure who makes them
old marlin
oh yea it is no bodge
where does ek come from?
slovenia
lol
counder is called edward kΓΆnig, suspiciously german name
reef tundra
Very cubic and yellow stripe
old marlin
Looks very ek
reef tundra
that is a lot of memory used... closing the browser helps a lot
vagrant marsh
well, today my screen is gonna arrive. in 2 up to 5 hours from now
im so exited π
ashen spindle
"Founders Edition and custom designs will launch simultaneously" nice, that's another point nvidia does well again, amd not having AiB partners at launch always sucks
ashen spindle
sure, for devs that's true, but so far im only a customer :p
reef tundra
I mean if the drivers dont work
ashen spindle
sounds like an amd issue
reef tundra
amd has better drivers than nvidia in linux. Especially with older tech
ashen spindle
linux
reef tundra
bsd
ashen spindle
so basically open source drivers aka other people that are not amd made the drivers better, right?
reef tundra
amd also works on the driver with the public.
ashen spindle
idk if amd would be doing most of it I dont understand why it would be so much worse under windows
reef patrol
I ar smart persun
reef tundra
why not fraps and unlicenced hypercam?
reef patrol
Codex included a kickass chiptune track without mentioning artist...so I uploaded it to YT to see if it could recognize it π
Oh that would be galaxy brain level. I'm not THAT smart.
reef tundra
We need to stay civilised!, gentleman. and add a long intro with that trance music from 2010 youtube
reef patrol
Oh I also had to enable a VPN because Google are in a legal battle with the Danish music industry...so 99% of music videos are blocked atm π
reef tundra
That moment 99% of music is owned/licenced by a single entity
reef patrol
Eh it's more of a licensing agency.
They make sure all Danish artists get the money they're owed when their music is played. But since everyone taps into it (Sony etc..) if legal trouble occurs it shuts everything down globally.
reef tundra
The perks of monopolies
reef patrol
I can't listen to US based artists who are under Sony's label, because they are under "KODA" here.
Monopoly...or a union. Depends on how you look at it. But it's definitely disruptive rn 
In a nutshell. KODA wants more money their way (thus artists) per track played. YouTube wants to reduce it (due to falling and revenue and interest from viewers)
I'm kind of with YT on this one, since even with the reduction YT wants, they're still paying more per "play" than Spotify on their free version (w/ ads)
reef tundra
nothing new. Labels always suck as much money as they can get away with, even from the artists
reef patrol
KODA also have a bad rep in general. They are kind of Mafia like when it comes to retail stores using music.
reef tundra
Would not suprise me if artists see less income even if youtube will pay more
cus "bad times"
reef patrol
If you don't pay a subscription, they will sue you. And they count music playing "in the back" if they can hear as much as a whisper from the front desk. Or if you're doing tech support on a customers PC that requires it to play music.
And they will just back draft your bills. So if you cancelled your sub in January, and they do a surprise visit in July where they claim to hear music...yep. Billed from Jan and forward.
reef tundra
Even the mafia had simpler terms of service. Your money or your kneecaps
Was it not innocent untill proven with accuser having to proof guiltyness? they can claim what they want, but I would not take a paranoid schizophrenic at face value
reef patrol
I mean technically since they're suing you, you have every right to defend yourself.
But lawsuits aren't cheap in lawyers bills. So most just fold and accept the billing.
Especially mom and pop shops.
Can't defend yourself in a prolonged lawsuit if you're bankrupt from paying a lawyer.
reef tundra
slapp suits
Even when you are wrong you are right
just will them out of existance
big companies never fail to anger me. They just always turn faceless and greedy, strongarming anything they can.
halcyon moss
Linus hating on Nvidia, linus hating on Intel
ashen spindle
tbf Linus also hates on intel, at least on AVX512 (correctly so imo)
reef tundra
Dont discriminate hate everything equally
but then again intel doesnt really try to be liked. They just ignore everything and go along
halcyon moss
and their cpu bugs
ashen spindle
tbf they just have a few more, everyone has some right now
amd ahs less because they basically didn't have any cpu's for years 
halcyon moss
new PSU seems to make my system more stable, it atleast does not suddenly turn off when running star citizen
halcyon moss
it was a be quiet psu, 530 watts. should have been enough.
reef tundra
it never seems to be able to die alone but has to bring the entire system down first
halcyon moss
now a seasonic 550watt psu
reef patrol
Yeah unless you're pushing a 2080 or something that Be Quiet should have been plenty.
reef tundra
Get a reliable brand
reef patrol
Be Quiet are reliable though π
ashen spindle
always go with seasonic, quality partner of wooting π
halcyon moss
it was old though, survived 2 systems
reef patrol
And I say that even though I actually have one of their PSUs in for RMA right now.
A high end one. Their Platinum rated 650W. Just rotten luck.
halcyon moss
oof, pricy
reef tundra
My friend tried to skimp out once saved like 30 euros and bragged about it.. few months later psu dead and pushed mains though the 12v lines killing pretty much everything
reef patrol
Free is free. And I had a Seasoning platinum to replace it with π
halcyon moss
never seen a psu tester plastic thingy
reef patrol
A what now? π
reef tundra
multimeter and 10ohm power resistor is all what i need
halcyon moss
halcyon moss
never seen that before :p
not that useful. but interesting
reef patrol
Commonly used for custom loops.
reef tundra
if you miss the power button for some reason it could be usefull
reef patrol
Let's you start the pump and let it run without risking damage to the PC components.
If they don't have power, they won't fry from a leak.
halcyon moss
hmm, cool
reef tundra
That is what we call safety feature
halcyon moss
should i also plug in the bluray player π€
reef tundra
add a flowmeter to activate relay so components can only run if the pumps are moving enough liquid with a temp meter that shuts it off anyway when liquid gets too hot
halcyon moss
now to shove back all the cables so i can close the case... and the cable mess is nicely hidden
reef tundra
use wireless cables my dude
halcyon moss
ooooh! 
reef tundra
boneless wireless power and data
vagrant marsh
wireless power and data?
reef tundra
yes. innovation waits for noone, so we need to acchieve the peak
realisticly,, tho. wireless power.. is going to be a distant future for PCs. kinda much to transfer 400+watts with most likely microwaves or lasers. Data, possible but is kinda counter productive as it will be worse than copper or glass.
maybe possible with water cooled pc,s using the flow of the loop itself to power the device π€
but why bother when copper exists
zenith sonnet
Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium or go bust
shadow minnow
iPhone 6s Plus discharges so fast on iOS 14 when gaming, nearly 80% in 2 hours 
ashen spindle
have you considered thats just heavy usage on a fairly old phone with prob not a new battery?
reef patrol
Yeah iPhones are notorious for needing new batteries after a year or two of "heavy" use.
Especially after the update that made them clock down if the battery was considered weak.
I have swapped SO many batteries in the 6-7 generation.
ashen spindle
I'm still fine with my 6s plus but I dont really game on it
82% max capacity according to the os
reef patrol
Original Apple battery?
ashen spindle
yup
reef patrol
Not bad.
reef patrol
The % is useless. The remaining mAh isn't.
Gotta go into the settings and see what it measures.
pale sigil
D R A W
ashen spindle
.. where do I find the mah in the settings?
pale sigil
IN THE DRAW
halcyon moss
taht revolver ocelot looks like 47
empty wren
% means shit
Current is better measurement, though not sure how you can pull that on an iPhone.
pale sigil
Forgot what they are called but you plug the main charger into it then that into the phone
Which measures the capacity
shadow minnow
That sounds like there is sth special going on, does not sound just like normal new gen GPUs.
ashen spindle
sounds very much like a normal event to tell you what tehy did so far and then announce ampere
ivory geyser
@reef patrol would be funny to see optical GPUs come out of nvidia.
ashen spindle
tf is an optical gpu
fickle ore
Ehh doubt it's viable cuz you need copper to fiber to copper converters and do that conversion many times within PC, until you have everything in fibers (all parts). Besides electricity travels slower in fiber than copper
conversion takes too much time
NVIDIA IS NOOBS on bad samsung 8nm
boo boo
crimson wigeon
POCOPHONE SHOT ON POCOPHONE F1
crimson wigeon
Why leave that watermarking on
vagrant marsh
im not rich. i still live with my parents, tho they do ask me to pay 400 in rent each month, other than gaming i dont have much to spend anyways.
better than having a house on my own. who the fuck can afford a home in the netherlands. only if you struck gold and are a server director for google or something
houses are really expensive, both when buying a house or renting one. im not willing to give up 2/3's of my salary just to say i got a home of my own. who the hell wants to live in poverty?
instead, i can afford nice things like this
i had to put fov to max not to have her butt up my face
this is the screen when only doing 2560x1440
vagrant marsh
so yea, the vertical scaling isnt that great
but hey, it supports 5120x1440 atleast
i can click on this res in options. i had to alt enter 5x to stop the flickering but eventually it worked normally
three kingdoms also does quite well on this res
π©
maybe later, its quite a hassle to get the picture to picture mode working and then disabling it
some games dont support the resolution at all, like mechwarrior 5
this is scaled 2560x1440
normally you would see the entire cockpit of the mech. this is with max fov
wheat plume
I dont even want to know how much that monitor cost
vagrant marsh
1160
wheat plume
O.o not as bas as I expected
vagrant marsh
and that was the cheapest offer XD the average is 1290
wheat plume
whats the ratio?
vagrant marsh
32:9
wheat plume
O.o
ashen spindle
just because the 5 games you played with that effect exist, doesn't mean every game suffers from that lmao
I do, I just dont stretch them but keep it at that resolution Β―_(γ)_/Β―
vast moss
wow, three monitors side by side
even more wow, actually
I wonder if I can play any games in 3840 x 1080
though given my current setup, that would not be practical at all
old marlin
I am almost 100% certain witcher 3 uses multiple cameras
vagrant marsh
i fixed mechwarrior 5 tho
so this is at max ingame fov 120
and this is when i changed the config file directly with fov 140
so, it somewhat fixed the vertical stretch
so maybe that is the problem with most games doing ultrawide, that the fov has to be higher to compensate
chrome estuary
Is that the CRG90?
vagrant marsh
it certainly did. im gonna be honest, you feel more immersed when your entire view is nothing but the cockpit of a mech. makes you feel more like you are inside of it. especially when i did the mission, walking around, shooting and stuff. it felt more realistic
samsung c49rg90 yea
chrome estuary
I'm fuckin jealous ngl
I actually bought that monitor. But it was right as the riots kicked off a few months ago and everything went to shit. I got charged a shit load of money because of 'relocation' costs since Amazon kept trying to find a 'safe' place to ship it from.
well after the 2nd time it happened, i told them to just refund me and cancel the order.
misty pier
i couldn't really get an ultrawide that big at all since it might cave my desk in from the weight
or just won't fit at all
chrome estuary
I could make it fit. I've got a big ass desk
vagrant marsh
me too. ive made my own desk since i work at a metalshop. its more sturdy than all those lauzy ikea desks
vagrant marsh
lets see
do i still....
weird
only picture i could find, but that is the tabletop
chrome estuary
nice
vagrant marsh
and then i made 2 square feet, bolted everything down and its quite sturdy
ofcourse its a little bit heavy since its all metal, but it aint supposed to go anywhere
chrome estuary
I wish my desk was made so it could disconnect on the corner and be moved in two pieces
reef patrol
What monitor is that?
chrome estuary
but no it has to be all once piece
reef patrol
Asking for a friend.
chrome estuary
The sexy sexy CRG90
chrome estuary
I'm envious, I almost had it too
vagrant marsh
@reef patrol samsung c49rg90
but there is also the samsung c49rg94, which is a little bit cheaper and...pretty much the same to my knowledge
i took this one over the 94 because only freesync 2.0 supports gsync. and the 94 has only freesync 1
so if you got an amd, its not that much of a problem
vagrant marsh
also, its freaking hard adjusting from a screen half this size compared to this screen. im like, i expect my mouse to be rather fast from 1 end of the screen to the other end, but on this screen it takes twice as long XD
vagrant marsh
yes. a 400 dollar keyboard with a coiled cable
vagrant marsh
last time ive seen a coiled cable was with my granny's dial up phone
old marlin
ok
vagrant marsh
man, those things sound hollow
reef patrol
Jesus Christ Yama. Not this again.
old marlin
if you get an aftermarket cable you can get them coiled
reef patrol
reef patrol
Switches still aren't included.
old marlin
yea ik
reef patrol
Those tests aren't super useful.
old marlin
are for neither
the switches in the cyberboard typing test are trash
still sounds like crap
also 10/10 mic setup
vagrant marsh
it sounds like 2 hardened rubber pads are hitting eachother
old marlin
what do I expect from a project backed by a multi billion dollar company, that scams all the guys that bought an anodized one
old marlin
lol ok
reef patrol
Does it appear as two distinct desktops?
vagrant marsh
yes
reef patrol
Monitors I mean
vagrant marsh
but the thing is, windows seem to recognize them as being 2 screens next to eachother
look at that menu, it reacts like its 1 solid menu, not 1 menu that got split up between 2 screens
its because of the screensaver, otherwise you wouldnt know there were 2 seperate monitors there
but in every other sense, they react like 2 seperate screens. a game only plays at max 2560x1440 cause that is the screen size
wish i could make it more intuitive tho, that you hit a button on the screen and it changes from picture by picture to 1 solid screen. the problem is, because you got 2 screens connected, your pc sees 2 screens. so if you use only 1 screen, the other screen isnt shown, but can still be interacted with
which means that programs can spawn off screen XD
plus every time i switch from 1 big screen to picture by picture mode, nvidia control panel didnt save it.
chrome estuary
envy
ashen spindle
but do they have anyone who can make quality monitor reviews
would need to be a side channel thing for them
nobody on the main channel will watch stuff that cares about srgb deltas
sounds like something they might've done on techquickie already?
not sure
thick elk
For monitor reviews my main source is still tft central but they are not the fastest / most frequent.
On youtube hardware unboxed is somewhat decent but yea good monitor reviews are few and far between.
frozen anchor
i think rtings has some pretty good reviews
vast moss
Seeing that I have an X570 motherboard as I didn't want to wait for B550 (oof), I figure I may as well use the capabilities of X570 to make it worth the upgrade; for one thing, I'm looking at PCIe Gen 4 SSDs, and so far in mind I am looking at a Seagate FireCuda 520 and Corsair Force MP600; which would be a more ideal purchase? Also, is there anything else in particular that uses PCIe4 or otherwise has a benefit on X570 compared to B550?
My motherboard, for reference, is the ASUS Tuf Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi)
ashen spindle
wait till ssd's with speeds like in the ps5 are out so you dont get a expensive ssd that can't handle ports later on is what I'd do
vast moss
I see. By "can't handle ports later on" you mean...?
ashen spindle
ps5 (and I guess xbox) are using ssds with minimum speeds to work
so its more likeyl that eventual ports will require the same or at least run much better if those specs are met
and so far you cant buy an ssd with the speeds ps5 will use
vast moss
I see
thick elk
From what I heard / read storage speed on pc will be less important as there will be more memory / video memory available especially in the future.
The main reason the fast storage on the new consoles is to rapidly stream textures and other assets from storage to memory.
If you have more memory available you can store more in memory requiring less fast storage.
That being said there may still be a point where having a decent nvme ssd will help.
As for the pci4 ones the most important factor is sustained performance over a reasonably large amount of time.
Most of the current pci4 ssd's can mostly allow for fast bursts which would not be that useful for streaming large amounts of game assets in.
I also wouldn't worry too much about future proofing an ssd as storage prices per tb will go down over time and the amount you need for games will go up.
reef patrol
The PS5 literally uses super fast NVMEs as cache drives though.
Not sure where you got "so much RAM" from.
zenith sonnet
My PC already has three times the RAM the new consoles will have
They need fast storage, and it'll still be barely enough
zenith sonnet
Haven't been able to max out my 16 GiB yet
13.5 was the highest I've hit in a game yet
zenith sonnet
Tbf, that was modded. Never seen a game exceed 8 GiB with vanilla settings yet
halcyon moss
i had one, but i cannot remember which one it was..
shadow minnow
I can get to 48gb with modded Minecraft
reef tundra
It would not be too hard to get dedicated (de-)compression hardware for PCs. FPGAs or ASICs on the PCIe bus as coprocessor for the IO instructions (which it would compress or decompress as need be) are probably the most likely solutions.
PCIe better work on its bandwidth sustained if needed as it would otherwise mean that total failure of the system with the CPU depending on it to access the system RAM, sata controllers, audio devices, usb controllers, bridge adapters. Then again 16 lanes of PCIe mean that it has 16 serial busses that can work indipendant from each other or as a 16bit paralell bus or any other legal configuration of lanes. PCIe 5.0 is going to be available soon with it being ratified and first controller presented late last year. PCIe 6.0 has been announed in development last year. With the trend of each revision doubling the bandwidth.
The bursting would only concern someone when the PCIe bus is busy and 65,535 outstanding commands fill the IO queue (per I/O Queue total of 65535 total supported). One command would be a read request of 4KiB at a time. note: PCI 4.0 can have around 2 GB/s per lane of traffic. NVMe Specification does not care for amount of PCIe lanes the NVM subsystem has. M.2 specifation however defines PCI (3.x or up) 4 lanes + one SATA 3.0 as maximum per interface. Currenly ssd over NVMe is the the best interface that it specifies, which is the PS5 ssds seem to be as well. But there is always the level 1,2 and 3 cache if speed is that critical to be needing even faster. connected directly on the cpu pcie lanes (not the chipset provided as this is marginally slower with abritration). But then it would be better to get another graphics card or upgrade over this, if drivers dont have support.
NVMe base specification: https://nvmexpress.org/wp-content/uploads/NVM-Express-1_4-2019.06.10-Ratified.pdf
PCIe and M.2 is handled by https://pcisig.com/ dont have it on hand.
wheat plume
ashen spindle
no real news there
vagrant marsh
i mean, that is why america is banning tiktok no
wheat plume
:')
reef patrol
i mean, that is why america is banning tiktok no
@vagrant marsh Except that's not quite how that order went.
In fact the order is so vague and unspecific that Riot games might be affected and banned.
Imagine that 
π
ashen spindle
not really. white house confirmed the order only blocks transactions related to wechat
yes they probably didnt even know about epic/riot etc. but it's not affecting them unless they change it
reef patrol
Until they actually specify what that order actually means it won't affect anyone.
ashen spindle
only matters if MS or whoever doesnt buy it till then anyway
hope they dont and it jsut gets shut down
reef patrol
That implies them wanting to sell it π
ashen spindle
selling it or having the business closed, what is more likely?
reef patrol
I don't think they'll sell it, and will sue if Trump tries to shut them down.
ashen spindle
funny part is that twitter is also in talks
meanwhile, remember vine, the same thing as tiktok that twitter shut donw? xD
old marlin
@reef patrol apparently tencent related companies are unaffected
Only tencent themselves is
So wechat
reef patrol
apparently
old marlin
And wechat pay
reef patrol
That's the whole point. The order is too vague to be used in a legal sense.
reef tundra
dont think that they can sue Trump as president
reef patrol
It's the US. They can sue someone π
old marlin
Path of exile
Epic
List goes on
From what i got told by Americans it is only tencent directly though
reef patrol
They wouldn't be suing him anyhow. They'd be suing the state.
It's not like trump can push this through by himself. It has to be stamped by congress or somesuch.
Regardless of what you think of the data collection claims... A president having the potential power to ban any company from operating on their soil, and proceeding to blackmail them for ownership.
That's not going to go well longterm.
ashen spindle
uh, isn't that the point of an executive order, that he can circumvent congress
reef tundra
patroit act will justify this somewhere
ashen spindle
like I agree no president should have that power, but thats how the us always has been, most of the previous ones just had enough humanity in them to go the normal legislative process instead of using an EO
reef patrol
Well no - It really hasn't.
wheat plume
anyone else having the issue where pamac just freezes at 95%?
reef tundra
pacman
wheat plume
I use pacman for updates xd
thjis reminds me of the old windows ad :') IT COMES WITHG REVERSI!!!!!
ashen spindle
"Presidential executive orders, once issued, remain in force until they are canceled, revoked, adjudicated unlawful, or expire on their terms" so I guess congress can change it, but only after it's in effect already, so it would be needed for tiktok to stop business if nothing changes
reef tundra
Tiktok is also being resistive and is suprised when it gets banned as a chinese based company with serveral national safety concerns. Not even willing to allow auditing to happen. They may claim Chinese government has no access to that data but that would ban them from China. So fair they get banned then
fast crown
what a dissapointment this mouse has been :\ First the knob stops working and now middle mouse button has doubleclick esque issues (I have opened 2-4 tabs at times, and holding it down it might reset the point from where I get to scroll up pages etc)
roccat leadr btw
reef tundra
They could also make a us based shell company to make it much more harder to enforce this order legally
ashen spindle
not really, just make an new EO or change the current one to include that new shell
reef tundra
But the shell follows the regulations
Then they could scream it was unjust. They followed the rules and still got punished. But now, it like a pub banning the drugsdealer for his shady bahaviour.
ashen spindle
no they could just ban the shell interacting with china so they can't scream it unjust etc.
ashen spindle
then they basically need to sell it and at that point it's a public deal and they cant just sell it to a shell company for a $
reef tundra
It would just market as the US version
ashen spindle
I mean amd did the shell thing to sell zen1 cpus to china kinda and also stopped, bc if they wouldn't have stopped it on their own it would've been put on the list
reef tundra
They demanded the IP to be able to sell, right? With most likely reason that they want to steal and copy it.
ashen spindle
doubt it
how many things did google copy that they then shut down
this isnt an ip you can take and expand on, you could only make a succesful copy if you shut it down
so why bother buying it in that case
reef tundra
That is a very common demand from China and then copies begin to pop up a lot
But they dont want the blame of encouriging and facilitating this
ashen spindle
it hapens a lot i just dont see how that would here here
zenith sonnet
I really wonder
Why haven't AMD or Nvidia introduced a hard FPS lock in their drivers yet for VRR users, akin to RTSS?
AMD have Chill and FRTC, but neither works for that usecase
And I believe the Nvidia limiter is even worse in that regard
zenith sonnet
My OP3 can do that
wheat plume
seems blocky
ashen spindle
looks fine? but idk if that was a sarcastic or honest comment
pale sigil
Sarcastic
zenith sonnet
But tbf, Discord heavily compresses that image
pale sigil
I'll mirror it then
zenith sonnet
jpg artifacts all over the place
zenith sonnet
That's even more compressed
zenith sonnet
Went from 372 KiB through Discord to 202 KiB through google
zenith sonnet
Looks alright
Iso blur could be less, though
reef tundra
use .raw instead π
reef patrol
Pupper π
zenith sonnet
I dunno why companies make it so difficult to transfer quality images over the web
It's not like they eat that much data, compared to video traffic
reef patrol
It adds up fast.
reef patrol
Case in point : I uploaded a pic to Imgur a while back that got viral. It has currently used 130GB of bandwidth alone.
old marlin
is my assumption correct that SSHDs are terrible for games?
cause everytime you have to load something that isn;t in the fast cache the HDD has to spin up again
making access times gigantic
ashen spindle
my assumption is SSHDs are terrible in general
old marlin
lol
just ripped mine out
got a 2TB HDD from work that was not needed anymore
not even a lot of hours
halcyon moss
better than normal hdd probasbly
old marlin
nah
the regular HDD would already be spinning if you read data from it
so you get the regular access time
halcyon moss
better in some cases*
old marlin
well
only until you need something from the HDD part
and then it just gets MUCH worse
the stuff I need on an SSD goes on an SSD
halcyon moss
if the disk isnt spinning
old marlin
if it is ok on an HDD I put it on an HDD
reef patrol
The trouble with SSHDs that you have zero control over what gets cached and thus speed up.
thick elk
I would say that but also the SSD cache is really small in most, considering the price of small sdd's even at their peak.
if you had like a 2tb hdd + 256gb ssd you would at least have a decent bit of cache to work with but no you get something like 16gb of ssd space at most
reef tundra
Hype
pale sigil
OMFG i fucking hate ISO
thick elk
I have gotten usd to it, though the small left shift still sucks
old marlin
rip
reef tundra
Disconnect the power if liquids got in and wash it with clean water afterwards dry as much and as fast that is possible.
reef tundra
...
reef tundra
yea, I try to keep my electronics as far as possible from any liquids
thick elk
I litterally have my glass of water behind the keyboard
reef tundra
I will knock it down and murder everything no matter how much I try to avoid it
old marlin
rip
reef tundra
Ultrasonic baths are magic for liquid damage
pale sigil
more sad to learn my proto type woot A key is broke
old marlin
oof
pale sigil
hmm
its pretty good
condition wise
dont see any signs of internal dmg
90% oF the liquid poured onto my desk x\d
when i lifted it
haha
reef tundra
Better than in the keyboard
reef tundra
uh ooh some key being shorted or confused?
misty pier
i keep my drinks far away from my mice and keyboard for that reason smh
reef tundra
one test is to look if the infrared led is on using a smartphone as they can often detect Infrared (usually very pink on screen). Good as sanity check when working with infrared
some will have the ir filter so those wont work, but they are quite rare as it costs money while most wont notice the effects.
reef tundra
oohhh
errr
mmmm
yes
make sure the soap is also washed off
mostly just wash with clean water afterwards
ohh keycaps, not the pcb and switches?
Washing keycaps is pretty satisfing to play with
misty pier
is that vivaldi android
i wish it can come to ios
it's nice, but I want to switch over to android to see the other side of things
thick elk
I mostly had to use ios for things it's not particulary good at. Typing passwords on the default keyboard, debugging weird safari issues, moving files between it and non apple devices.
So yea my opinion is not particulary positive.
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kK6CBJdmug nice, more solid evidence to proof amd fanbois are still just lacking braincells
thick elk
Realisticly AMD being smoother is probably a placebo reinforced by the perception ryzen is smoother.
Placebo's are powerful things and should not be underestimated.
ashen spindle
Yup
sacred shoal
tf is "smoother" supposed to mean
zenith sonnet
Basically, more consistent frame times and lower latency in games
Something most people will feel when upgrading to a better CPU
The only point they got is that some of the fixes intel had to do to fix their sieves caused worse performance and some microstutter at times, particularly on the older uarches
ashen spindle
smoother usually means you feel less stutter, so consistent frame times etc.
most cases as said in the video it's just a new pc so it feels better and r/amd thinks the cpus are "better" than intel in some weird way
vagrant marsh
And in multi threaded programs amd mostly does better, but in gaming intel stil performs better.
ashen spindle
Eh, wouldnβt say the 10600k is ahead by only a margin
But besides that one, others arenβt really worth it
reef patrol
Gotta include motherboard in the pricing.
And unless you don't mind being stuck with low speed RAM, you're going Z.
But yes - The FPS difference is pretty minor at this point.
fickle ore
Ryzen WAS smoother back in 2017 when this discussion was relevant. Intel's best processor was 4C back then and ryzen with 8 cores was smoother in frametimes aswell was the speculated percieved smoothness of having USB ports on CPU die (which was one of the original arguments)
old marlin
well
you can't just say "they are smoother in frametimes"
it is very dependant on engine etc
ashen spindle
you know very well, if more cores made it smother, that was bc more cores if apps could make use of it, no bc "ryzen"
and a lot of people also said windows etc. felt smoother
which was bs in attributing that to amd
old marlin
more cores make it smoother
since the game doesn't have to share 4C/8T with all other applications
ashen spindle
so at most, for the 4 months before CFL, amd was giving an option that allowed you to get more cores that could potentially cause higher 1% lows with lower fps in games
and not really a "smoother" experience elsewhere
also in the intro of that video you even see someone compared 9th gen vs zen2 so it's not a 2017 argument really
old marlin
fickle ore
and tbf bigger cache makes it smoother
storage -> pci4 -> cpu is also smoother than storage -> pcie3 -> chipset > pcie 3 > cpu
Less hitching π
ashen spindle
oh I fully intend to switch to zen3
but that doesnt mean im delusional about how stuff works
how does a bigger cache make it smoother if frametime is not lower or more consistent
fickle ore
bigger cache obviously shows in frametime in games that take advantage of it
ashen spindle
ok but since basically no game does that, as shown in the video, it therefor is not "smoother"
fickle ore
Do you argue against direct nvme ssd access on ryzen vs intel?
halcyon moss
so the age old wisdom of wiping your harddrive to make windows faster still stands
ashen spindle
no I argue against interpreting 10ms on ryzen vs 10ms on intel as ryzen being smoother
fickle ore
dawd why do you think ryzen is faster than intel in CSGO? Cache.,
halcyon moss
the biggest fps change in that video was clearly having a "clean" windows
ashen spindle
the stuff you mention can lead to lower frametimes/more consistency, but if it doesn't, then it doesnt make it smoother
fair gull
having the potential to be smoother and being smoother are 2 different beasts imo
fickle ore
I'm not arguing for cases when nothing takes use of such things, im not stupid (or maybe a bit)
ashen spindle
well right now you are because there is around 0 cases of this being used anywhere
fickle ore
xdd
nearly all games use storage, especially non-lobby based games. Lobby based games can use cache to improve frametimes
2-0 to AMD
ashen spindle
yes but that big cache is already being used to catch up to intel, without it zen2 would be far behind
its not like zen2 is about equal with intel and then has a bigger cache too
if your frametime without fetching anything is 10ms vs 15 ms, and then intel has smaller cache so it needs another 3ms to fetch something, 13 is still less than 15 in the end (random numbers yes, more about the general idea)
ashen spindle
on pc nothing is getting optimized to that level, that would be something consoles get, so maybe that trickles down to amd cpus on pc, but /right now/ amd is not "smoother"
fickle ore
Yeah if you're playing SP ports ofc not.. Find PC only games
But then again you're looking at those SP port benchmarks anyway
ashen spindle
if you compare 4c vs 8c, thats more cores being smoother, if you compare 8c vs 8c, amd is /not/ "smoother"
it definitely /can/ be smoother but it aint, also intel can be smoother too it just depends on optimizations currently
fickle ore
To know the level of the smoothness you need to put IHS surface under microscope
ashen spindle
bold of you to assume I'm not using direct die cooling
fickle ore
@ashen spindle https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/i8uw6f/the_ryzen_is_smoother_misconception_1445_in_the/ did you see this already?
fickle ore
Can't wait for better PCIE 4 based nvme drives
Although wish I could fork over cash for a PCIE 4 optane drive from micron
That access latency
ashen spindle
I mean, yeah that will be nice and make stuff better but I cant imagine any game where that is the cause of the worst frametime spikes
making the already consistent parts "more consistent" is nice but not the thing you notice
fickle ore
Have you tried open world SP games or mmorpgs? Know that hitching when new vistas/scenes are being loaded? Ever played BDO?
ashen spindle
does witcher 3 and gta5 count?