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ashen spindle
old marlin
people might be able to "unlock" i5s etc
ashen spindle
god I just hope its fake
crimson wigeon
I don't know, would be a shitton of effort if fake
ashen spindle
yeah but have you seen instagram
thats literally what people do for attention/a living
pale sigil
"drop 1"
ashen spindle
now for other news that are a bit better, this is a good write for NVME tech https://www.anandtech.com/show/15959/nvme-zoned-namespaces-explained
ashen spindle
also a good show of which website has some integrity and is waiting with the report etc.
ofc tomshardware is showing to be utterly garbage once again
oh god and today is day 1 of defcon, guess the day makes sense now too
crimson wigeon
Eh I'm poking around a bit, the .exes definitely have legit signatures so they gotta be real
ashen spindle
yeah sadly seems that way
reef patrol
thick elk
misty saffron
last yoke
compiler optimizations are fun
gcc once optimized out my initialization for a loop variable
and i wondered why i got segfaults
ivory geyser
This is some gourmet shit lol
ashen spindle
ok tomshardware is one side for being stupid and promoting it, now I see "news" sites actually including the link to the files... how stupid can you be, enjoy your lawsuit
pale sigil
reef tundra
Publishing leaked source code? They lookin to get sued? It still cannot be shared/published due to copyright, without explicit written permission. It would be next to impossible to win those and settlement(outside of court) is hopefully the cheaper option. But brah, those leaks real? Intel is really on a speedrun to stop existing. Not only is the competition better in performance and price but they destroy their trustwortyness and reputation with that. Hard to be trusted to handle sensitive data with hidden backdoors in the blackbox of Intels sourcecode. Is it AMD's birthday or something?
ashen spindle
not really the case because backdoors can both be malicious "state spying" or just the normal talk to have a programm run correctly
reef tundra
The problem with backdoors is that it does not care about who or what is using it. Its not rare to see backdoors being used without any notice that it was. With no one knowing how many were using it and what they used it for. Whether it was maliciously used or not or internal communication. The term itself has one common meaning for general public: really bad and intentional security weakend. Great for conspiracys theories to appear to even further the panic. So either really terrible naming, security concerns (or a troll). Really bad for optics regardless. With Intel this is not the first time that security was questioned. And reputation damage tends to stick. Intel must be carefull with the response (or nonresponse) to keep the damage minimal (or make it worse). Also remember that no system is totally safe, everything is hackable and crackable.
Guess we need to wait for official response or credited expert examination reports for more information.
zenith sonnet
The problem with backdoors is inherently flawed design.
zenith sonnet
May take a while until we see the full extend of the leak, though...
Takes a while to comb through 20GiB of data
crimson wigeon
And that there is more to come, apparently
ashen spindle
might also literally just be a "backdoor" for one dev around his own stuff to work easier with no implications etc.
if its really 20gb it'll take a while to go through it
ashen spindle
idk
also not sure if tahts 20gb today ot 20 in total, since there will be more parts of this leak
but either way it'll be a while till we see the fallout of this
and just pray it won't be /that/ bad
halcyon moss
i hope it wont result in intel cpus all being leaky buckets
ashen spindle
I just hope they find the person really soon
and that that person gets a very big sentence
really dont want to see this again from either intel or anyone else
fickle ore
2500MHz speeds on renoir IF 😮
old marlin
Schematics, Docs, Tools + Firmware for the unreleased Tiger Lake platform
I can already see some chinese company mass producing tiger lake before intel does
reef patrol
Doubtful.
ashen spindle
they are lacking the tools
reef patrol
It takes a LOT of fabrication space to make CPUs. And they'd need years of figuring out the process and finesse to get decent output.
Not to mention efficiency. Gotta make sure as many chips on a wafer are useful to recoup costs.
Also lawsuits 
ashen spindle
ASML is the only company making the EUV machines and they dont deilver to china
old marlin
does it require EUV?
ashen spindle
I think so
old marlin
oh ok
ashen spindle
even if it doesn't, china's semi foundries aren't at the density of 10nm
ashen spindle
hm?
old marlin
why did intel haveto make a press statement over that
just found an article about that
where intel said that 7nm won't have the problems of 10nm
because they will use different lithogpraphy
ashen spindle
uhh I think it's because there are nodeshrinks both at intel and others, that are going down in nm name but are mostly just optimized process
old marlin
btw
ashen spindle
I dont remember which one at intel it was, but tsmc 12nm is basically 16nm
old marlin
how tf did the intel stock not dip with the leak
ashen spindle
I dont think the market understand the implications of it yet
ashen spindle
what do you think I've been doing lmao
old marlin
lol
ashen spindle
ofc on the day I buy in it dips 2% 10 minutes after I buy just to show me the middle finger
but still very much worth it already
old marlin
lol
ashen spindle
aand more bad news for intel, a variant of plundervolt can be used to damage/potentially kill the cpu or at least cause crashes
no big deal for situations whre plundervolt is patched, but it can also be used on older chips apparently, that dont have SGX
and thus have no patch for it
reef tundra
zenith sonnet
ashen spindle
basically just messing with the voltage on both locked and unlocked cpus, so depending on how good the vrm is etc. it can be worse or less severe
zenith sonnet
If Apple can ban game streaming for BS reasons, why are web browsers allowed in their app store?
crimson wigeon
Technically they aren't, they're all just Safari wrappers
reef tundra
brah,
zenith sonnet
But does it not allow you access to stuff they can't curate/control as well?
crimson wigeon
Probably
reef tundra
browser can do a lot of things
zenith sonnet
Even execute arbitrary applications 😮
reef tundra
file://
and you have a file browser
Apple being Apple, it looks like why. Absolute control over the device and the software. But might be a little risky to do. They got a lot of money to burn and the law is vague enough to find something to sue over. Or Apple loses customers as google and microsoft drop apple support to be petty.
shadow minnow
It has positives to do what apple does, mainly security
So many android apps using exploits...
ashen spindle
haha if only
shadow minnow
Also, IDK why cloud gaming should be feature it gives 0 sense
reef tundra
It is just hidden enough to be censored enough
ivory geyser
It is quite obvious that apple is doing this on order to have time to prepare their own cloud gaming platform.
ivory geyser
Because they could make money
shadow minnow
No.
Apple will use same architecture of CPUs everywhere
So they can play same games
reef tundra
That would be really anti-competetive and really be a great way to dig a grave to ban and have a cloud service
ivory geyser
Well of course they would allow the competitors on the platform AFTER the launch.
shadow minnow
And when mobile chips are already powerful enough, what would that cloud gaming be for?
ivory geyser
A month or two.
After the craze is over.
It is not just phones, it is also Macs
Macs have a REALLY hard time running a lot of AAA games
shadow minnow
I mean, why cloud gaming on mobile when mobile has enough power and supports same apps
macs are coming over to arm
shadow minnow
And you can not know how powerful that will be, as no one knows
ivory geyser
Not other phone games
reef tundra
it is so great you can see the battery drain in reallife
ashen spindle
yeah at like 5 fps maybe
shadow minnow
Devs will have to change that
ashen spindle
arm is not a magic ISA that works at 5 watt the same way it does at 90watt??????
if they use arm or x86 doesnt matter
shadow minnow
Also, why does not Linux support RT when even macOS does
reef tundra
it does
shadow minnow
if they use arm or x86 doesnt matter
@ashen spindle it does
ashen spindle
no
shadow minnow
Intel is on 14nm
ashen spindle
ok?
ashen spindle
you are mixing up so many different things
ivory geyser
The issue here is that you flat cant play Windows AAA games on Mac even nowadays. Once they switch to ARM, it will be even harder.
reef tundra
x86 is bloated and ancient trying to be as backwards capable as possible
ashen spindle
the ISA used is absolutely irrelevant
shadow minnow
That is problem, and reason why ARM will be better @reef tundra
ivory geyser
Regardless if it will be better or not, it will still not run Windows games
ashen spindle
any ISA will be better at a higher power envelope, so a desktop arm chip will still vastly outperform a phone SoC
shadow minnow
Devs may start coding for ARM more
shadow minnow
It
reef tundra
it is when comparing RISC and CISC architectures, with todays method kinda RISC in idea. But a lot of transistors are wasted on trying to still be CISC.
ashen spindle
ok, what kind of black magic is arm using, that a phone will be able to have the same performance as a desktop?
please tell me what you know about it
shadow minnow
Did I say phone will be as powerful as desktop? No. I said phone with A14 will be able to run 1080p 120fps
ashen spindle
why cloud gaming on mobile when mobile has enough power and supports same apps
reef tundra
Small instruction set, more registers, less translating instructions
ashen spindle
thats what you said
shadow minnow
Yes I did
And?
Same apps as other macs (I doubt apple will do x86 cloud gaming cause of marketing ...)
ashen spindle
now please tell me where I can buy a phone that can run RDR2 at that resolution with 120fps
reef tundra
With a battery of 15 watts or something like that?
ashen spindle
IDK why cloud gaming should be feature it gives 0 sense
ok so you just countered your own point
shadow minnow
I said every app arm macs will support
ashen spindle
k
shadow minnow
And I doubt apple would do x86 cloud gaming as it would be bad for marketing arm
ashen spindle
also why are we talking about a random reoslution that isn't even there on an iphone
shadow minnow
It is nearly 1080p
ashen spindle
1242 x 2688 is near 1080p you say?
shadow minnow
Kinda 
ashen spindle
if you rounrd 160% down to 100% I guess it is
reef tundra
for the scale of phones 720p is fine and dandy
ashen spindle
?? no because you dont have your phone as far away as your monitor
reef tundra
but the monitor is not as large as your phone
ashen spindle
I think the closer thing would be VR where you directly look at it and you need a really high resolution to not notice it
reef tundra
8k for the microscope users
zenith sonnet
I wanna see a streamer try cloud gaming on VR 
reef patrol
Can't wait... (Mine has Eng/Jap legends though)
warped dove
Are those legs (feet) or levers (buttons)?
reef patrol
Feet. It's a render from the Ergodox EZ. I have an Infinity which has a different frame but same key layout. 🙂
Mine's like this.
The EZ variant has the feet. It's their special product.
My Infinity is a different variant - It has a flat bottom but also has LCDs on both hands you can program.
ashen spindle
no I linked to my post where it was a reddit post collection of what subs got hit 😅
reef patrol
sacred shoal
shadow minnow
@sacred shoal no lol
ashen spindle
Bc a non throttled 10900k has like 100W peak tdp more?
plucky bone
I wish itbwould say how many watts of cooling laptops had so you did not have to research one every single one
old marlin
cooling is not that simple
sinful dirge
^
old marlin
I wouldn't say that being able to cool a 9900k so it is able to still boost quite a bit is the "bare minimum"
yea dunno what in that one is
I have the first of the new area 51ms
oh
M17
that thing is flatter than a razer blade pro btw lol
so compare it to something similar
if you want a laptop with desktop parts they have one
10900k wasn't out by the time it was last updated
I wouldn't say that this is bad
has rather thick finstacks as well
aka
clevo ODM laptop
only one of the biggest laptop OEMs in the world
and XMG ain't exactly a new brand
ashen spindle
xmg was schenker right?
old marlin
yes
you probably have seen something like sager etc before
they make almost any laptop that isn't from a gigantic company
old marlin
sager is US
also old af
hey clevo build quality cought up a bit
only behind like 5 years
pale sigil
Ill give you a wooting one German as a token of appreciation
shadow minnow
This will not be possible to be removed
shadow minnow
shadow minnow
Normal pre installed apps can be completely removed, but not these. Maybe via debug, but that for normal people...
Also, what phone do you have?
shadow minnow
Wondering how much did Facebook pay them
pale sigil
Probably not as much as you are thinking
shadow minnow
I am actually not thinking how much as I have no idea
pale sigil
Ah
shadow minnow
Idk How much do companies usually get for such a things
plush summit
XD
fair gull
i can already smell the amd fanbois
wait for the amd fanbois to spin this into some anti intel shit
zenith sonnet
This is like a general vulnerability
ashen spindle
yup very likely to happen
fair gull
xea the amd fanbois dont care
intel is the only bad ones out there
as we all know amd processors are the most secure devices ever
0 flaws
ashen spindle
perfect security, perfect drivers, no weakness on amd
zenith sonnet
At least you can't, as of today, literally kill AMD CPUs with vulnerabilities
ashen spindle
never since they existed
fair gull
if you have driver issues with amd there must be an intel device somewhere in the system
prob the ssd
zenith sonnet
I fixed my blackscreens (again)
Turns out Afterburner was the problem
I disabled my Realtek 2.5G NIC and am using the intel 1G one :p
ashen spindle
the intel x86 ISA are probably made to kill amd cpus
fair gull
yes
ashen spindle
intel planned it since before amd was a thing
fair gull
obviously
zenith sonnet
I have an UV that's stable when applied through Wattman
But I set Afterburner to apply the same UV on startup
That caused my Blackscreens
ashen spindle
bet my gpu not liking the heat so I need to undervolt it is also caused by my intel cpu
zenith sonnet
Dunno why it is, but AMD 7nm stuff seems to be a LOT more sensitive to a lot of small things
fair gull
i use intel and nvidia no heat issues so it can only be that
zenith sonnet
I do not think the drivers are actually bad
fair gull
we established the drivers are perfect and its just intel hardware in the system that causes issues
ashen spindle
might not even be the hardware, what if the intel cpu has microcode to detect amd drivers and makes them malfunction?
seems realistic
zenith sonnet
What about Nvidia's CPU PhysX?
I'd actually trust them to do something along the lines :p
fair gull
na they arent intel
ashen spindle
what if intel is making LAN chips to detect incoming amd traffic to intercept it and manipulate it 
fair gull
i was wondering why i cant open the amd website
zenith sonnet
They don't need to intercept traffic through their NICs
They got enough backdoors in Windows to manipulate even intel-free systems
ashen spindle
oh I got an idea, what if intel is in the 5G chip buiness to spread covid with it in areas to block tsmc, then use it to spy on everything afterwards
fair gull
this is #intel-conspiracies now
ashen spindle
more like #intel-realities
pale sigil
Finally I can have WiFi outside
ashen spindle
bet it was caused by the intel 5g causing him to self dox
fair gull
ashen spindle
Look @fair gull https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/08/snapdragon-chip-flaws-put-1-billion-android-phones-at-risk-of-data-theft/ even more cases of intel sabotaging competition
ashen spindle
already got a fix bc i have an iphone and they arent affected 
ashen spindle
bc im prety sure I'd know if apple would use qualcom chips
fair gull
i only play azur lane so idc
plucky bone
I only read manga so idc
shadow minnow
Do you think we may see 4K 240 lg OLED with DP2.0 next gen?
zenith sonnet
Nah
shadow minnow
Why? 😄
vagrant marsh
alright, i bought a 49" 5120x1440 screen. only 1160 euro.
reef tundra
According to VESA under DP 2.0 Configuration Examples:
Single display resolutions
One 16K (15360×8640) display @60Hz and 30 bpp 4:4:4 HDR (with DSC)
One 10K (10240×4320) display @60Hz and 24 bpp 4:4:4 (no compression)
Might be possible but.. close to the edge
but then again 2 ports is a thing
shadow minnow
4K 240 30bpp = possible
8k 60 30bpp requires same bandwidth
alright, i bought a 49" 5120x1440 screen. only 1160 euro.
@vagrant marsh which?
vagrant marsh
the Samsung C49RG90
shadow minnow
What refresh rate does it have?
vagrant marsh
120
and 4ms response time, but i dont play fps intensily. what im most interested in is the so called picture by picture mode, which allows you to set up the screen as multiple screens. so, it could split up in 2x 2560 x 1440
shadow minnow
I prefer two monitors for that tbh
vagrant marsh
yea, i got 2 monitors right now atm, but i think one big center screen would be more to my liking.
shadow minnow
I do not like idea of no space in middle
I mean, no space without lightened pixels
Also, for that price, why did not you go for g9?
shadow minnow
I do not understand why did Samsung start with so much false marketing
vagrant marsh
from what i understand, the g9 odyssey has 240hz refresh rate, and a react time of 1ms. on 1440p gaming, you need atleast a 2080 super if you want to have a stable framerate of 100+ on high settings. i mean, the 1440p screen i got right now CAN BE BOOSTED UP TO 165 HERTZ!!!!! which would be nice if i had a game that could solid deliver that kind of framerate at 1440p
ashen spindle
just play csgo lol
vagrant marsh
so, they make the screen more gamer like, slap some rgb lights on it, on the back of the screen. you know, the side you never see?
so i aint gonna pay 400 bucks more for rgb 😛
shadow minnow
I hate the misleading and false marketing part
You can say specs are for futureproofness (which is bullshit cause of not good enough ports)
vagrant marsh
if i wanted to, i could have gone for the samsung c49rg94, which is identical to this one, 100 bucks cheaper, but it doesnt come with freesync 2.0, which means it wont be g-sync compatible and nvidia being a child pussy version of apple, gsync is a must
vagrant marsh
technically, any screen with freesync 2.0 and a displayport connector can use gsync, but no, nvidia stalls supporting those screens cause "we still own the tech, therefor we can be douches about it"
on the other side, manufacturers have to pay nvidia high royalties to make gsync supported natively. i dont think any new screens came out in the past 2 years that natively support gsync cause its much and much cheaper to use freesync
ashen spindle
also kinda of the fault of monitor makers that it just takes forever to implement newer HDMI verson
we could've had VRR for a while in monitors
shadow minnow
@vagrant marsh the thing is normal g sync monitors require g sync module
frozen anchor
cant they be compatible just not certified?
reef tundra
In general like any certification it only proves that it passed the standard that the certification tests for. But it costs money to get it certified, they can demand changes, random bs terms or refuse to certify cus lol. Dont know what freesync or gsync requirements are but Nvidia aint known for their generousity and having the Fluke mentality.
reef patrol
Indeed. And that's what most of them do now.
Nvidia themselves gave everyone the opportunity to not have to buy the modules and still be considered gSync compatible to the point of being able to slap it on the box.
shadow minnow
G sync compatible at least tells sth, VESA HDR certification is kinda joke , even monitors that do not pass requirements can get certified
sinful dirge
Alot of certs are a joke tbh
reef patrol
Definitely - I'd argue that in the case of Gsync it's pretty important. A lot of monitors can't handle it with really "fun" results 😄
My AOC monitor isn't certified or compatible and it will flicker very hard if I try to enable it.
sinful dirge
biggest problem is the inconsistency AUO panels have
i have both a pg279q and an mg279q technically they use the same panel but different scaler
early freesync scalers honestly sucked
i ended up rmaing the first of my mg279q's and the replacement was actually worse than the first one several dead pixels several smeared and backlight bleed
my pg279q has the backlight too close to the screen but nothing else wrong with it so its hard to justify sending it back
timid chasm
Do any modern motherboards output 5v/3a with their usb or are they all just 900mA?
zenith sonnet
Reviewers have also shown that Horizon saturates the PCIE bus and has unusual VRAM/RAM access behavior. PCIE x8 can cripple the performance of even 2080 Ti's in this game.
Finally we need PCIe 4.0 x16 :p
reef tundra
add more lanes
vagrant marsh
MOAR lanes
wheat plume
MOAR LAYNZ
shadow minnow
I was thinking about getting 4K 144 monitor, and waiting for 4K 240 for second monitor, but when I see how good lg cx48 is, I am thinking about it
vagrant marsh
as prices drops, and graphics cards become better, sure. but atm, i would still go for 2k
shadow minnow
I really want deep blacks
So it being OLED is also big point for me
Also all the extra tv like features, Apple TV.. and the thing with ambient light
But as I am buying at the start of next year, next gen will be announced then, so I hope to see smaller version would be also nice if it is cheaper. Another nice thing would be 240 hz which is not problem for OLED
vagrant marsh
i dont think any game at 4k would be able to reach more than 100 fps, even with the next gen graphics cards
fair gull
snake at 4k
ashen spindle
there are a few that can already do it with current gen
fair gull
shhhh
ashen spindle
I didnt say you can do it with an igpu...
I just said it's already possible which it is
fair gull
what my laptop wont run any game at 4k 120fps without dedicated gpu?
trash companies
smh
vagrant marsh
how dare they to sell you 4k 60 fps laptops
fair gull
i wanna see ur intel or amd igpu do 4k 60fps lol
vagrant marsh
my 3000G can beat your 2080 Ti any time of day
fair gull
100%
ashen spindle
also >tomshardware lol
shadow minnow
Why is there no smaller OLED yet? I hope 2021 LG OLEDs will have option under 40”, idk why are there no such a OLEDs yet, as poi should not be problem (as phones already have high ppi OLED screens)
shadow minnow
Smaller OLEDs are usually cheaper even with higher ppi
For example Look at lg lineup
pale sigil
i mean in general expeensive to make
to expensive to cater to a very small customer base
fair gull
exPEENsive
misty pier
why you want oled anyways
frozen anchor
Better colors probably
shadow minnow
why you want oled anyways
@misty pier more things...
Especially contrast and blacks
The thing is that I live in room, where it is really dark at night, so IPS blacks are gray for me
Also, OLED has good response time...
And as this is OLED TV, it also has lot other nice features about it’s own OS.
And LG OLEDS are g and free sync compatible
shadow minnow
There are just too many burn in problems with things like HUD in games
fair gull
if ur game is running 24/7 for a few years then maybe
personally have only seen burn in on monitors that get blasted by the sun
pale sigil
I could not be comfortable playing on OLED
fair gull
for prolonged time
shadow minnow
Should take about 400 hours for OLED to burn in when you have HUD in game
fair gull
plus lcds dont really have burn in the way crts do
its more like it takes more energy to change the crytal state
but technically fixable
for example cranking it with full blast white or smth
should theoretically fix it
vagrant marsh
what about qled?
shadow minnow
QLED sucks
Especially as marketing term
But to the point why it sucks, for example when you have white text on black, there are kinda light gray places next to text which they should not be
Also, for example g7 and g9 have false marketing images, and in reality have just 8/10 zones which sucks, and can cause things like this
wheat plume
definetly
ashen spindle
they literally recalled the g9 bc it has production issues..
vagrant marsh
yea, but the pic he shows shouldnt happen in normal every day use.
if that happens you just claim the warrenty
shadow minnow
This is caused by just 10 lightning zones
zenith sonnet
That's simply IPS glow and is a known downside of the panel technology
Not a reason for a warranty claim or refund
halcyon moss
probably if he moved the mouse the zone moved too
shadow minnow
It is a VA, and secondly, yes, it moves based on mouse - based on what lightning zones must be on
halcyon moss
easy solution is to never have a black screen 😉
ashen spindle
I know IPS has a thing called IPS glow, this might have something similar, not too familiar with what exactly that monitor uses
fickle ore
bAcKlIGhT tech
daring nova
ashen spindle
well yeah its not ips glow, as he just said its VA, idk if that has similar stuff though
ashen spindle
lol
reef patrol
Pic
fair gull
ik was maimai
ashen spindle
https://videocardz.com/newz/xbox-series-s-confirmed-through-leaked-irobot-white-controller well I guess its basically official now that there will be a cheaper/weaker xbox version
aka, reason why playstation won the "console war" once again
pale sigil
its prob gonna be no disc version
ashen spindle
it's weaker hardware, disc or not doesnt matter
zenith sonnet
Rumour has it, it has a weaker GPU, but comparable CPU to the XSX
ashen spindle
how does ps5 have a weaker version when the SoC is the same???
zenith sonnet
The literally only difference is the presence of the disc drive
pale sigil
the link you sent doesn't prove anything other than there being a different variant
is what im saying
ashen spindle
youre not marking a console as a different version if its just a disc-less version
pale sigil
idk man
ashen spindle
the weaker version has also been "known" through leaks for months
the only question was if they go through with it/release it
pale sigil
wasn't there also a cloud based console "leaked"
ashen spindle
not more than a vague rumor afaik
wheat plume
Android 11's screen recorder is great :DD but this is modded to work on 10
wheat plume
I can't get 11
halcyon moss
true
wheat plume
My phone won't get it
So if people make custom roms on 11 for this phone then it'll be ether gsi or a port from another xiaomi phone that does have 11
pale sigil
why though
I dont get it
Like i wish i didn't get MIUI 12 now
All just because of a new android version
that made barely any difference
Security patches will always come through
Every android version is starting to feel more pointless
ashen spindle
so Horizon Zero dawn not only requires really good GPU's but it even shows how weak the Vega gpus are lmao, a vega64 basically gets the same results of a rx580 lul
wheat plume
11 is a major overhaul to notifications and some other quality of life additions
AND FINALLY A SCREEN RECORDER
wheat plume
yeah
pale sigil
Just wait it out
wheat plume
its what 10 should have been...
wheat plume
12 is only in stable since the past week
ashen spindle
21 days would be 31st, so a day after gamescom? guess that'll be the announcement date
ashen spindle
?
pale sigil
The next series of gpus
ashen spindle
I mean that will depend on your expectations lmao
pale sigil
To not be the rtx series again
ashen spindle
then it should meet it lmao
ashen spindle
chicken egg problem
- no competition
rdna2 will be nice an so will be rdna3 so that wont happen again the next years
pale sigil
I wish AMD wasn't so poop in the GPU dept
ashen spindle
will change this year thankfully
pale sigil
I just want a card that doesn't cost 700 quid
ashen spindle
so an iGPU?
ashen spindle
? the super series at least is decent value
ashen spindle
relative to anything you purchase it's decent value
how else do you define it
I'd like to buy it for 20$ yes sure
pale sigil
Point is i dont wanna have to spend 600-800 for cards that used to cost less
That came out wrong
ugh
ashen spindle
so you dont want to pay more for less/equal improvements
pale sigil
Cards have only gone up because Nvidia control the market.
ashen spindle
yes so its more expensive to relatively get more performance, you dont pay more for the same
pale sigil
idk man
it doesn't cost them as much as it does us to increase performance
They just increase it because they can
Im coming across retarded here
im just trying to say GPU price hikes are a joke and shouldn't be going up and up
ashen spindle
uhh that's a very random take, that it doesnt cost them as much
ashen spindle
again, chicken-egg problem with raytraycing
halcyon moss
i blame the bitcion bubble
pale sigil
i mean
old marlin
old marlin
I remembered when everyone was disappointed about rtx performance
when it made the same step up as most gens before
was just expensive af
pale sigil
the bump was less than the previous gen
old marlin
no
ashen spindle
a lot of people expected the maxwell->pascal jump again which was a bigger bump than most before
old marlin
oh yea
forgot that
pascal was an actually very good gen
although the big jump was made for most people by habing good vram instead of whatever the 970 had
ashen spindle
turing had basically a till then "normal" progression + rtx
ashen spindle
but people have fish memory so any increemnts before pascal might as well not exist
old marlin
idk what they expected
ashen spindle
sure the prices for 70/80/80ti were a joke, but that's caused by no competiiton
old marlin
yea
I mean it was a terrible gen for price/performance
since they were so expensive
but people made that "jsut buy a 1080Ti" joke a lot
while it was true for most gens
ashen spindle
hence my earlier comment, that only the super version really made sense for value
old marlin
the super version was great
everyone that bought the cards first felt like an idiot
especially 2070 owners
ashen spindle
im still torn if I'm happy that they will be out this year, or sad bc it will be worse than if they would've waited to make them on tsmc
guess for competition it's best this way
old marlin
who tf is that
ew dirty corsair shrug
BEGONE
can't upgrade my 2080 either way
am VERY fine with the performance I get
ashen spindle
o
well im prob selling my 1080 to someone so I can get a upgrade
it works fien and all but some games I cant get the 100fps for my monitor
3440x1440p is quite demanding lol
old marlin
rip
ashen spindle
oh, I have the feeling the next rtx seris will the 21xx not 30xx
ashen spindle
the announcement is in 21 days and that's exact 21 years after the first ever geforce cards
ashen spindle
would fit to jensen just to fuck with leakers to randomly decide that tbh
old marlin
lol
ashen spindle
and then they could take the amd 7 approach where they milk 7nm everwhere, vega 7, 7.7 for announcements etc.
crimson wigeon
2121 $?
ashen spindle
I mean depending for what SKU that would be cheap
ashen spindle
its true for the 3990x :p
ashen spindle
which btw was originally costing 3950 but they adjusted it for marketing jokes
im just glad we are about to get new stuff and its official and not just rumors now
thick elk
Ian Cutress claims he suggested it.
Either way it is the recommended selling price so it does not actually have to be a change in the price the stores pay
ashen spindle
well yeah, amd uses msrp, intel shows 1k unit pricing etc.
old marlin
both makes sense for their marketing strategies
thick elk
I personally wish everyone would use something like 1k unit pricing. As much as intel can be shitting it's a fairer way of presenting price
ashen spindle
yea I dont care what the retailer pays for it tbh
people who can make use of 1ku pricing already have more info anyway
thick elk
With things like cpu's the retailer margin is pretty slim and is often below msrp.
old marlin
amd is more consumer focused
for the hype train
they have products to back the hype
so they make sales
thick elk
Then you have apple who practically sells it at msrp to their retailers
ashen spindle
margin for literally everything in the tech space is slim
thick elk
1k or x amount of unit pricing is a better indicator.
For the more expensive things like laptops and phone's not just parts the margin is often higher though.
But yea for a cpu it's often not a large margin. Still the margin does differ between products and manufacturers.
ashen spindle
a better indicator for what?
old marlin
well parts are not that good of an indicator
also biggest margin usually is at the retailer
while an EVGA or asus gets usually low single digit margins on gpus
a retailer gets a much better cut
thick elk
It's a good indicator for the lowest price you can get it for online. basically 1k unit price + tax + a bit of margin.
old marlin
"a bit"
ashen spindle
ok so why not list the price that I can actually get it for?
instead of some random number that is below what I need to pay for it
old marlin
why not both though
thick elk
Most things I see online are sold below msrp
ashen spindle
thats fine too
old marlin
yea
prices get weird after that
a lot of stock shifting
clearing out stock
looking at how well stuff sells
etc
1k unit pricing doesn;t help in the long run
and it also drops steadily
thick elk
I just think if a manufacturer specifies the price it sells it's product for instead of what it expect people to pay for it you can more easily compare before availability.
ashen spindle
msrp gives me a good indication for the price at launch, 1ku prices gives never gives me any indication
thick elk
But I will give you that something like 1k price would require more knowledge of the typical margins in a certain product category.
ashen spindle
yes, hence my comment that people who can make use of that alreadt have more info and thus could get info of that price even if its not listed in the release docs
old marlin
they usually have the same margins everywhere
you can calc the money intel asks for fro mtheir msrp
ashen spindle
you meant to put amd in that sentence?
ashen spindle
that reminds me, what's the last time we've seen a nvidia roadmap?
vagrant marsh
pascal?
old marlin
lol
ashen spindle
last one I can remember was pascal yeah with volta shown as future uarch
old marlin
?
ashen spindle
nah we already have maps with rdna3
misty pier
🤔
old marlin
in perf at least
misty pier
wonder how good these are going to be
misty pier
media keeps hyping both of them and I’m not enjoying it lol
old marlin
they probably won't be
with a few poking out as being good price / perf
regional pricing makes it even weirder
ashen spindle
nah I think with nvidia rushing out ampere amd has a much better battle this time
misty pier
hopefully the drivers would be nice and dandy
misty pier
I want to give amd a try later on in the future
old marlin
by updating them
halcyon moss
very little issues with my 5700xt
misty pier
yeah it’s smooth now right?
ashen spindle
I want them fucking fix their drivers so the stock price can go up more
zenith sonnet
They're still nice
The 7nm cards are just a lot more sensitive to outside factors
halcyon moss
just anecdotal..
old marlin
yea they are not bad cards
they are just a bit lagging behind in most cases
in price/perf
and that varies with regional pricing
btw @zenith sonnet were you a shidenkai user?
halcyon moss
better price/perf for me than nvidia. Also was burned by the 970 :p
halcyon moss
it was a good card though
old marlin
4gb became more important
zenith sonnet
I was getting black screens because I used Afterburner to automatically apply a UV on startup that was stable when applied through Wattman on my VII
Guess how long that took me to figure out?
zenith sonnet
And yes, me Shidenkai
old marlin
since you could get a 250 euro card to beat it
yea, razer released something similar
but seemingly more durable
will report back when I get mine later this week
ashen spindle
I mean, I dont remember any nvidia cards/driver in the recent years to cause issues like the vii/5700 has in some cases, some people still cant really use their 7 bc its still blackscreen, rdna had issues that could crash your entire system if you start a vr game
old marlin
yea they had some memory issues iirc
nothing world ending
and got fixed quick
mostly lagging behind with shadowplay, which I don't use
old marlin
U L T I M A T E
thick elk
I am sceptical about the price for price performance improvement but we shall see.
old marlin
well we have to know prices for that
halcyon moss
i just hope the price comes down in general
halcyon moss
good for everyone
old marlin
halcyon moss
well.. except nvidia, but screw big corporate :p
thick elk
Though I feel like they should offer better performance for the same price than their current generation even if amd does absolutely nothing.
Alternatively they just push dlss and raytracing as more powerful and hope to get people to upgrade that way.
That being said I do expect rdna2 to force them to move a bit at least.
old marlin
they probably will 2 months after launch
ashen spindle
it already made them rush it on samsung instead of using tsmc so ampere is weaker just to be launched before rdna2
thick elk
Yea but the prospect may force them to move a bit in advance.
ashen spindle
they are not pulling an intel and start to lose their lead without doing anything
misty pier
hggg I wanted the vii when the new zen was released last year but it wasn’t particularly good I heard?
shadow minnow
From leaks, AMD does not expect to beat 3080 ti, but does except to beat 3080
ashen spindle
what leaks are that lol
misty pier
yeah I don’t trust leaks atm
ashen spindle
the vii was a gamble, fine for some, others still can't run it without blackscreens lmao
shadow minnow
For example Moore’s law is dead said that
ashen spindle
yeah but 20gb on ampere
shadow minnow
And I mean, I also personally do not think AMD will be able to beat highest end nvidia card this year
thick elk
Vii from what I know was basically an enterprise card sold to consumers because they had nothing better and nvidia was expensive enough to still have a little bit of value in the consumer space, be it not a lot
misty pier
isn’t it going to be more expensive though with more of it?
zenith sonnet
I got two VII, both great <3
ashen spindle
nah its not hbm so not /that/ expensive
misty pier
ahh gotcha
ashen spindle
and basically what qlum said
as for prices, jensen likes to decide them the moment before he announces them so nobody has a plan what they will be
zenith sonnet
HBM is great
I can just drag the OC slider all the way to max 1200 MHz and free performance
I think it goes until 1300 or so with mods
misty pier
🤔
halcyon moss
meh, don't really care if AMD beats the top of the line nvidia. Too expensive anyway.
fickle ore
Only card I'd consider is HMB2e but doubt they'll do those this year. Maybe next
zenith sonnet
And it's great to have 16GiB of vram
Modded Skyrim to use 13.5 GiB and it's glorious
ashen spindle
talking about a vii I assume? you're only jealous bc we dont ahve someone with the permanent blackscreen issues here :p
zenith sonnet
Tbh, permanent black issues on the VII I haven't heard about
thick elk
The driver situation on linux is better than on windows from what I heard. But still it makes sense that the driver support is not that great.
zenith sonnet
Maybe they're using Afterburner as well?
ashen spindle
also dont forget that at one point they removed a known issue with flickering despite it still not being fixed
think that was fixed in june, so just a year after release or so
oh wait that removed issue might've been a vega frontier edition issues not vii
I tend to forget Frontier edition bc it was an even worse card to release
thick elk
Frontier edition is at least more similar to the base cards, I would expect less issues. Radeon Vii is a separate chip on tsmc's 7nm
Do note that I have not looked into the driver situation at all.
ashen spindle
FE was like a 64 but worse in applications that are not mining/datacenter stuff
and also costed much more
you were basically able to pay more to get a first look but in worse than it ended up etc.
thick elk
I know as a card to actually buy it was pretty terrible full price, just the driver situation I'd expect to be similar to to 64
with Vii that was worse
ashen spindle
then it was listed again but not fixed later etc.
idk, weird card
marketing is the other point aside from drivers amd needs to work on
at least on gpu side
bc man they suck, and have a super competent pr team for cpu? thats just a bad look
thick elk
To me AMD's gpu and cpu devisions still seem like 2 separate companies with fairly different policies.
ashen spindle
ye
pale sigil
what game is that
ashen spindle
ff 14 I think
found even more details that are making it more likely they might call it the 21xx series
@old marlin
21 years ago the 256 series was the first geforce series
and 21*256 = 5376, the supposed shadercount for the titan or whatever the highest model is
ashen spindle
I mean, I can nvidia pr to be more on the line to follow amd's 7 marketing than intel so its more likely imo
reef patrol
The Cyberboard just launched on IndieGogo. 410$ for VERY early adopters, 610$ otherwise.
If only I had that kind of fuck you money 😄
reef patrol
Yeah the EA price is a lot more manageable.
75% isn't my favourite size, but the look is awesome.
frozen anchor
yeah
old marlin
also that spacebar 
frozen anchor
haha yeah it sounds so different
reef patrol
To keep the LED chip memory I imagine.
Guess it made more sense to keep it in RAM and use a CMOS 😄
old marlin
sounds pretty stupid to me ngl
reef patrol
Seems cool to me. No worry of wearing down the flashable chip 😄
Sure seems to be roomy enough to fit it.
reef patrol
Eh... same end result. I respect the unique approach 😄
sick creek
battery is for bluetooth afaik
it has bluetooth 5.0
but led panel will only function plugged in
sick creek
they last for months
old marlin
not even rechargable
they last for months to power a low power device
not a constant bluetooth connection
old marlin
not wireless keyboard
also copnstant connection
not just a single IR diode giving a short blinking signal
or a single cmos chip just keeping it's data
sick creek
my wife has an ipad keyboard case with the same type of battery and she uses it mulitple hours a day. it has been going strong for over 6 months
so i honestly dont know what you're talking about
old marlin
with a button cell?
sick creek
bluetooth keyboards do not keep a "constant connection"
yes
the timeout on them is short, usually under 30 seconds
reef patrol
I mean... My logitech mouse lasts like 6-12months on a single AA battery.
sick creek
you desperately want to be right here, i get it, but my experience says otherwise
reef patrol
Re-chargeable?
old marlin
nope
sick creek
in any case, 99% of people using this board will be plugging it in for the pretty lights
so i think it's silly they added bluetooth in the first place
reef patrol
Here's a thought - Go ask the folks making it 😄
old marlin
with a modern wireless connection
reef patrol
I'm sure they have specs and testing.
old marlin
the folks making it were not able to provide the information what switch they used on their soundtest
@sick creek they did not add bluetooth to it though 
no antenna on the pcb
shadow minnow
Looks like ultimate countdown really must be sth big as nvidia ampere when even asus comments it with hype
old marlin
no mention on the kickstarter
old marlin
idk
sick creek
definitely a 
moment
sick creek
no you arent lmao
old marlin
what you say makes no sense in this context
sick creek
what doesnt make sense
that a bt keyboard can last months on a button cell?
cause they do
sick creek
dude there are so many features they didnt list
old marlin
and using a button cell for it
sick creek
if you were participating in the discord, they were making changes constantly up to the final iteration
sick creek
👍
reef patrol
Literally go ask them since you have such a hard time with it xD