🔌│tech

[vagrant inlet]

Order order order

[shadow minnow]

Should I really? I am thinking about it

[reef patrol]

https://youtu.be/eeIgiq50t3k?t=849

Modern problems require modern solutions. How to avoid getting copyright struck on YT. 😆

[shadow minnow]

How to avoid paying too much for fittings

[misty saffron]

wooting uses cherry stabilizers right?
the question is will we have gateron stabilizers in le as well

if so - great news

[vagrant inlet]

@shadow minnow you mean, how to avoid buying too many fittings without paying too little? 😆

[shadow minnow]

I mean how to avoid paying for fittings

For a long time

[vagrant inlet]

just order thousand lool

[shadow minnow]

They would cancel it 100%, I would rather order smaller amount, if I wanted

[vagrant inlet]

Just for lolz I would order 100 of them and wait till they ship @shadow minnow and then order more

Since then u get ur original intended amount for free + if u want more 😆

[ashen spindle]

pretty sure any halfway decent backend of a shop catches that and or cancels that

[shadow minnow]

I mean, they would probably fix it till then

[plucky bone]

@shadow minnow is it a bug?

[shadow minnow]

Not sure, but I know about 2 people who successfully ordered it

@plucky bone so if you want, you can try

To order, and who knows

What will happen then

[shadow minnow]

You can try it one person from another discord ordered 20

[plucky bone]

Melt it down for raw material LUL

[shadow minnow]

Order it

[old marlin]

They don't have that much stock anyways

[shadow minnow]

Not anymore

[plucky bone]

Wtf I tried

But shipping costs 200$

???

[shadow minnow]

Too much

Try 100 fittings

[plucky bone]

That was what I did

[shadow minnow]

You must live in bad location

[plucky bone]

Ah, nvm itbdidnt update 200$ for 1000 40$ shipping for 100

I live in Norway

[shadow minnow]

My friend had 17$ shipping to Slovakia for 80 fittings

[plucky bone]

Lucky

How many fitti gs do you even need for gpu and cpu?

10 ish?

[shadow minnow]

10-20

So you could have probably build 80 systems from that 999 fittings

[plucky bone]

[vagrant inlet]

@shadow minnow what website is that

[shadow minnow]

@vagrant inlet Ekwb’s official website

[plucky bone]

I pussied out, I literally have no use for watercooling as I am a poor student that want to build a custom mechanical keyboard and repair 3 of my road racing cycles

[reef patrol]

[plucky bone]

@reef patrol hey :)

[pale sigil]

I used to be a poor student

Now I’m just poor

👀

[plucky bone]

N I C E

I am thinking of contacting one of my lectors that is responsible for the new PCB maker, and print my own custom PCB

Maybe I can get some hall effect sensors ordered in

[thick elk]

Okay I may want to go custom loop at some point anyway, so I just yolo'd it.

shipping to the netherlands was also just 9 euro's

30 fittings and a fan splitter

[plucky bone]

Lucky

I wish I lived in switzerland or someplace closer to mid EU, basicially everything you order in Norway is expensive because we are outside of eu regulations(something something)

.

Are hall effect sensors the same as sensors used to measure speed on bokes and cars?

Bikes*

Fun fact lekker in norwegian means pretty

[shadow minnow]

@plucky bone custom PCBs are not that expensive, you can get 10 for 2$

@thick elk I wonder if they will cancel all orders or not

[plucky bone]

@shadow minnow ah yeah thats why I am thinking of printing one at my school, I can even make it black and gold :)

[vagrant inlet]

@plucky bone well, lekker means tasty in nl

So if u call someone lekker in Germany or Netherlands ull be classified as a cannibal 😆

[frozen anchor]

nah you can taste someone without being a cannibal

[halcyon moss]

I'm looking for a usb-c charger for my wife's laptop, a dell xps13. Would also be nice to charge my laptop once in a while (a x1 extreme)

does anyone know some good ones? 🙂

[fair gull]

any usb charger with pd and enough wattage will do

they auto regulate

so just enough wattage for the more power hungry of the 2

[halcyon moss]

ok, i got that, but what would be a good solid, sturrdy model ?

[thick elk]

I think they will cancel it but if they don't 13 euro's for 30 fittings and a fan splitter is a really good deal.

[shadow minnow]

My friend ordered coolant, “ordered” 80 fittings and paid 25€ for that

[reef patrol]

I fully expect every single order to be cancelled 😛

[shadow minnow]

@reef patrol not everybody has money for these expensive fittings

[thick elk]

Same here but at least I kept it at a somewhat reasonable amount of 30 fittings. A bit more then you generally need but still reasonable

[old marlin]

You should still fully expect all of those orders to be cancelled

[shadow minnow]

I do 😄

But I am not sure how is it legally, and also, if it was not just special offer till fitings are sold out.

I mean, we will see if some people get order numbers which would make it hard (if not impossible) to ekwb to just cancel orders

[thick elk]

From what I understand in prior cases. It is legal to try and buy it at the price but it's also legal to cancel the orders.
Only if they ship it there is no way back for them.

[shadow minnow]

There is nothing illegal about ordering sth for written price for sure

That has nothing to do with customers

I mean, it is legal to order sth even for unreasonable price is not it?

0€ is imo more reasonable than 7€ for just one fitting

[frozen anchor]

do you not have to agree to certain terms when ordering? they might have something saying they can cancel for any reason

[shadow minnow]

@frozen anchor I did not find anything about that, but I was just jumping though text, before my friend ordered it

But I think it will be hard to them even when they ship it just to companies shipping it to customers. So when you got tracking number, you will probably get fittings

I mean, when they will ship it out to for example dhl warehouse, it will be already hard for them to cancel order😄

Maybe they would send some mail than, saying if you could kindly send it back

Not directly

[reef patrol]

EK packs everything themselves 😄

[shadow minnow]

I had some orders with complete tracking, it usually goes from ek warehouse to shipping company warehouse, and than company ships it.

[reef patrol]

Those orders aren't leaving the EK warehouse without someone looking at the "100 free fittings" and going "Yeah we should ask someone"

[shadow minnow]

It is not directly to customer

It usually goes to one shipping warehouse (store nearby), than other from there (customer nearby), and than it goes to customer

[reef patrol]

It is also not to a "DHL warehouse". It is "picked up by DHL and then shipped to you with however many stops needed along the way - Yes some of those are sorting facilities"

But DHL isn't Amazon for EK here.

Everything is still stocked at EK.

[shadow minnow]

I know

[reef patrol]

So... not sure what your argument is 😄

[frozen anchor]

eh i think its just a misunderstanding and there is no argument

[shadow minnow]

I mean, if they will already “give” it to dhl, it will be harder to cancel orders

@frozen anchor true

[reef patrol]

Well... duh? 😄

Once the order leaves the warehouse it is final.

But it won't be shipped out to begin with.

[shadow minnow]

That is what I meant by that.

But it won't be shipped out to begin with.
@reef patrol I mean, they still did not fixed issue on website, so I think there is high chance of some orders going though.

[reef patrol]

It's the weekend.

Most companies do in fact not work weekends.

[shadow minnow]

True, I hope EK does

[reef patrol]

They .... still won't need to.

Like I said. They don't have a robotic warehouse that just fills orders and ships them.

It's all manual 😄

[shadow minnow]

But that does not mean people packing orders are checking all prices. 😄

They may just pack products they should and send 😄

Just than they will notice there was high demand for fittings, and after they will find out why...

[reef patrol]

Oh I fully expect them to check the orders.

EK isn't Amazon. It's pretty low volume.

[shadow minnow]

As it is Sunday, they may ship it out tomorrow morning

[reef patrol]

Anyhow - Pointless to argue. We'll see next week 😛

[shadow minnow]

Maybe even tomorrow

I am interested to see

What will happen

[frozen anchor]

tomorrow is next week lol

[reef patrol]

...

And a week is not a single day 😛

[shadow minnow]

Mansen why did you ping admins?

[reef patrol]

Because I enjoy your suffering.

[shadow minnow]

Thanks mansen

[reef patrol]

You're welcome

[shadow minnow]

I did not think you are such a person that wants to see others suffering, I trusted you, and I was supporting you when others thought you changed some nicknames. Thanks @reef patrol

[plucky bone]

1. Lets hope part time summer employees work the first shift and is le meh ship it

Ok, I got a technical question (a bit fun maybe)

So if this is how a hand soldered matrix looks like

Then how would 5 rows connected to a multiplexer look like (like wooting)

[fair gull]

you wouldnt use multiplexers normally

the way multiplexers (the ones i know) reduce the pin count is basically by clock, latch and data pins

so you basically send/receive a data stream from the multiplexer

meaning the firmware is usually designed around using multiplexers to begin with

normal switches dont benefit from multiplexing at all imo unless you wanna do some crazy 2000 switches 1 usb deal

even then prob easier to integrate a usb hub and multiple MCUs

multiplexing does make sense for smth like the wooting tho where you have more data than just on/off

its pointless would just result in worse performance overall

showing a diagram like this wouldnt help either

as mentioned u dont just conntect them and they work

[shadow minnow]

Diagrams can be helpful

Problem being discord compression caused that text on image is impossible to read

[fair gull]

text would vary depending on used multiplexer and their pinout

its from this tutorial https://www.instructables.com/id/Multiplexing-with-Arduino-and-the-74HC595/

which could be done entirely without the multiplexer

and is in the opposite direction

[shadow minnow]

Tony try to send that image again. I want to see that diagram

[fair gull]

open the tutorial

its literally from there

anyway for a normal mechanical keyboard the only time u might need a multiplexer is rgb leds

[plucky bone]

@fair gull I am asking because I was too late to get the Lekker, so I wanted to make my own if possible

[fair gull]

so modify the w1/w2

[plucky bone]

And needed multiplexing because as youbsaid you need to read the input from each single switch

[fair gull]

they also use multiplexers

[shadow minnow]

You can get wooting HE then (same switches, just different colors)

[plucky bone]

Ah, one with HE magnets

[frozen anchor]

yeah the wooting HE uses all the same hardware as the lekker

or will i mean

[plucky bone]

Not the sensor tho

[shadow minnow]

Everything same apart from colors

[frozen anchor]

it will use the same sensor

[shadow minnow]

And keycap materialized

[fair gull]

literally same pcb and switches

[plucky bone]

Ah my bad, I missread

But then I have to wait till 2021

[frozen anchor]

if anything gets changed it will get changed for the better

but it will probably be the same

[fair gull]

as if designing a halleffect keyboard urself would be faster

not to be mean

but it takes tons of time and prototypes(money)

[shadow minnow]

Lekker edition may also get delayed to 2021

[fair gull]

i dabbled in pcb design and mcu programming

[frozen anchor]

nah

[plucky bone]

Ill jist get my teachers to sponsor me Kappa

[fair gull]

id guess i need a good 4 or 5 years to get smth close to lekker

[shadow minnow]

I have problem. I can do PCB designs from data sheets or anything, but I am not able to do much programming stuff

Although I did interesting arduino program once

[plucky bone]

Last semester we made a pcb for one of our projects, and our university jist got a brand new PCB maker 😎

[fair gull]

idk if they are happy with tons of new pcbs being thrown out

especially since pcb ordering is cheap af

[shadow minnow]

I designed PCBs and learned it on my own

[fair gull]

same

usually ud use breadboards tho to prototype the circuits

and then make a pcb out of it

cause cheaper

well "cheaper"

depends on if u count in time and effort or not

[plucky bone]

Ofcourse we have those too to test out stuff, but most of that I can do in multisim

[shadow minnow]

But I want to learn into more details about pc PCBs designing, (like mobo...) and I can not find place / school to learn it 😦 , any recommendations?

[fair gull]

diy

or hardware engineering

[plucky bone]

@shadow minnow join me in electrical engineering

[fair gull]

@plucky bone so multisim a multiplexer and mcu

and then find out

[shadow minnow]

Problem is I am not good enough at programming to actually try if more complicated PCBs I would do work.

[plucky bone]

@fair gull I would, but my stationary computer is not here :(

[shadow minnow]

@shadow minnow join me in electrical engineering
@plucky bone I want to study that on university 😄

[fair gull]

pirate it like most people

[shadow minnow]

But university is kinda still far away for me 😄

I mean, I am still at high school

[plucky bone]

@fair gull pirate what?

[fair gull]

multisim

unless you have a student license already

[plucky bone]

Uh, I can just download it, but I cant use it on my mac

[shadow minnow]

Which kinda sucks as there is actually nothing to learn about Pcb things in school where I am at.

[plucky bone]

My stationary PC which is compatiable and powerful enough to run it is 6 hours away at my university flat

[shadow minnow]

wait so how old are you bexin
@digital cliff I said that few times 😄

[fair gull]

bexin is 12

[shadow minnow]

No I am not lol

[fair gull]

right 11

tomorrow 12

[plucky bone]

@shadow minnow come to my university in norway and you can make your own PCB and print a titanium case and keycaps for your keeb :)

(might be a little expensive tho costs 3000$ just to start it lol)

[shadow minnow]

@plucky bone tbh I really like Norway, and I was thinking about going to study there, maybe live there later on, although I live in Slovakia

@fair gull again? not original anymore

[fair gull]

ofc it is

[plucky bone]

Cool, like peter sagan

[fair gull]

youre eternally 12

really hope bexins parents read the discord tos

[shadow minnow]

No fleimi, do not trust tony

[fair gull]

tino trusts tony

and tony trusts tino

[frozen anchor]

bexin is lying he actually is 12 and doesnt want us to know

[plucky bone]

@shadow minnow my frien who is from Polen who I often study with is taking computer engineering and electrical engineering at the same time, and you learn alot of coding while doing EE too

[fair gull]

poland*

[shadow minnow]

He is bit.. ill, just look at Tony’s head

[plucky bone]

Ah, sorry it is Polen in Norwegian

He kind of looks like that tbh

[fair gull]

theres nothing to find in my head

[shadow minnow]

True

[fair gull]

except rgba(255,255,255,255)

[shadow minnow]

No brain there

[fair gull]

exactly

dont trust anything i say

even multiplexer shit

who knows maybe i multiplexed my brain long ago

[plucky bone]

Actually learnt alot about multiplexers last semester LUL

[fair gull]

still asking how to use them

learnt alot about them last semester

[plucky bone]

I just asked how it would look like PepeHands

[shadow minnow]

oh 12
@digital cliff as I said, not going to say exactly, but I am between 15 and 18 yo, please ignore tony

[plucky bone]

Oh, do you think wooting will give me their schematics for their circuits?

[fair gull]

see my plan worked

he told us

[frozen anchor]

hes just trying to fool us

we all know hes 12

[fair gull]

ya

[shadow minnow]

Tony I already told that few times

(How old am I)

[plucky bone]

Brb gonna email wooting for schematics :)

[fair gull]

yes

12

gl with that

[shadow minnow]

I also told I entered my real age into discord so I am probably not 12

[fair gull]

u can be under 13 if ure parents agree

so ure 12

stop trying to lie to us

[shadow minnow]

No I can not

[empty wren]

Most likely 16 if not 17 yet

[fair gull]

how about u give us an md5 hash of ur age

we can just use a calculator and the "calculate md5 hash collision" key to get any answer we want

[shadow minnow]

1. they can agree if I am between 13 and age of legal consent 2. It is actually not possible if my parents just agree.

[plucky bone]

Btw why does the wooting one use 5 MCUs or is that A/D converters?

[fair gull]

last time i read the tos they stated that under 13 is possible with a written ok from the parents

[shadow minnow]

Of course fleimi, definitely

[plucky bone]

Ah, nvm I am stupid. Ofcourse those are A/D converters because it is a analog keyboard

[shadow minnow]

@plucky bone there is just one mcu, we even know exactly which

[fair gull]

i mean

its not hard to read of letters and numbers of a chip

[plucky bone]

I am blind

Cant you see my black glasses

[fair gull]

nope must be blind too

[shadow minnow]

LE should use same MCU

[fair gull]

there

some better close ups of the w2 in this case

[plucky bone]

So the only difference in the LE is the sensors

[fair gull]

no

[plucky bone]

Thanks I am forever grateful

[fair gull]

different mcu

different sensor

different key design

different pcb layout

different leds

[shadow minnow]

Same mcu

[fair gull]

cant be

cause 16mb storage

[shadow minnow]

They told on stream

That is extra chip

[plucky bone]

I meant only circuit wise, sorry

[fair gull]

i mean

id have guessed they upped to a new chip

for some faster speed

[shadow minnow]

But they told on stream it is same mcu, and that they used “external” storage

[plucky bone]

So like added more memory to the pcb

[fair gull]

seems like it

[shadow minnow]

Before, they used just internal mcu memory

[fair gull]

could have gone full overboard then and used smth super crazy like nand flash and a nand controller

[shadow minnow]

Now they are using some 16mb flash

Or some other 16mb storage

[fair gull]

nand is a type of flash

[shadow minnow]

I know

I hope new layout that should come after HE will not be too good, and will not get me to buy new kb lol

[fair gull]

ill buy the he

no matter what

[plucky bone]

Same

But after HE

[fair gull]

still need to get w1

and korean gamer edition

[plucky bone]

Thats the one I bought

20$ off 😎

[frozen anchor]

are you collecting all the wooting boards?

[shadow minnow]

I do not have that much money to throw away. No reason for me to get HE when I have LE

[fair gull]

@frozen anchor thats the goal

[plucky bone]

@shadow minnow what if it is TKL :o

[shadow minnow]

They said it is not

[plucky bone]

Well, now I am sad

[shadow minnow]

But that people who want TKL may want it

[frozen anchor]

tkl HE comes out after full size HE

[fair gull]

well they will one day prob make a tkl

[plucky bone]

I hope they make TKL and external num øad

Pad

[shadow minnow]

I hope to see some dark blue PBT double shoots from that - brand to put on my LE

[fair gull]

external numpad less likely

thats what the fullsize is for

[plucky bone]

Or the num pad on the left side

I need my mouse space

[shadow minnow]

Well, we will see what is the new layout going to be

@plucky bone just buy bigger table

[plucky bone]

@shadow minnow what brand? Gmk?

I have a big table its just uncomfortable for me

[shadow minnow]

No, wooting said that they want to do some b/d brand keycaps (not sure how is it called)

And I hope to see some good Doubleshoot PBT , Lekker body colored keycaps, not that expensive even if it is not from wooting. I could not find any 😦

[plucky bone]

I mean double shot is the most expensive type of keycaps

[shadow minnow]

You can get some for 30/40$

[plucky bone]

Just get GMK solarised 290$ :)

[shadow minnow]

Only way to get PBT with transparent letters and dark blue color

Is PBT doubleshoots

[frozen anchor]

the transparent letters arent pbt

[plucky bone]

Isnt pbt just the plastic used?

[frozen anchor]

yep

pbt is stronger than abs and doesnt shine as fast so people want it

[shadow minnow]

It is possible to make transparent letters on PBT with doubleshoots

[plucky bone]

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=5910

I just googled, shouldnt be that hard to find dark blue backlit keycaps

[shadow minnow]

It is hard to find ones with right color, and all keys dark blue

[frozen anchor]

taihao has two sets like that and they are opposites

so if you buy both you get a full set

[shadow minnow]

That is too much

Money

[frozen anchor]

idk maybe you should just buy the ahegao set thats in the lekker channel

only $30 lmao

[plucky bone]

👀

[shadow minnow]

You mean that anime ones?

[frozen anchor]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001265203882.html

yes

idk it seems cheap for 5 sided dyesub for that may keys

maybe because its not in color

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/heu-not-impressed-chloe-but-why-disgusted-gif-4513526

[halcyon moss]

yup.. that gif is it

[plucky bone]

I just emailed one of my professors about making an analog keyboard 😎

[reef patrol]

[plucky bone]

And now for something completely unrelevant

I really like listening to christian von coeningsegg speak about technology

[vast moss]

Rain back at it again with the recommendation requests, oh boy
I'm thinking about getting a VR kit for my computer to play some games in VR when possible. In particular, I've been looking at the Oculus Rift S, the HTC Vive Cosmos, and the Samsung HMD Odyssey+ kits. Any of these I should get, or perhaps avoid? If so, why?

So far, I'm leaning toward the Rift S, though I can't say I'm all that fond of the idea of throwing my money at Facebook.

[ashen spindle]

that + oculus quest if you want to have one you can use without a pc

[vast moss]

The standalone functionality of the Quest seems tantalizing, but I don't know if I'd really use it.

[ashen spindle]

it can be nice, but you need to get a cable if you do want to use it from pc and hardware is a bit below rift s so it be a standalone

[vast moss]

I would probably play most of my games on PC anyway, as I want to keep it to Steam unless there's something I really want on the Oculus store that I can't just get on Steam.
I would just do wireless connection to PC but my Internet is severely prohibitive of that, so I'd have to pick up an extra cable to use the Quest on PC. Apparently the official one is $80, unless I wanted to get a much cheaper but possibly worse cable.

[ashen spindle]

Then it sounds like rift is best for your

[misty saffron]

been using my rift s for a while, had pretty much no problems with it

except for that static frame bug and obvious limitations of that type of tracking

the bug has been fixed though

[vast moss]

I see. So Rift S, then?

[ashen spindle]

Would be my suggestion unless you want to go up the price quite a bit

[misty saffron]

if that is your first ever vr set - sure

gives you a great idea of what vr is

[vast moss]

Trying to keep the price subdued because it's my first VR kit and I don't yet want to spend a bunch on it, but maybe later on if I really get into it I'll upgrade

[vagrant inlet]

@vast moss get the rift S, it was my first headset too

1. Easy setup 2. Easy to use

3. Feels great

4. "cheap?" other kits are 500+$

[vast moss]

I see

[misty pier]

thought about buying those WMR headsets a while back

much cheaper than the rift, but they're all gone now

[ashen spindle]

also shit quality for the most part

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

WMR was alright

They were pretty cheap and that was got a reason

But they weren't shit

[wheat plume]

Finally :')

It looks good now

[misty pier]

I should've picked it up long ago but my financial status wasn't particularly well

the only option I have now is to buy a rift s or get a secondhand

[pale sigil]

cv1

[vast moss]

I picked up the Rift S new for $400 when I could have maybe gotten the Samsung Odyssey+ used for less; OK choice or bad idea?

[misty saffron]

It looks good now
@wheat plume ehhhhhhh

still didn’t get the shadow strength right

[chrome estuary]

So what? At least it doesn't have this horrid pseudo fuckin 3D/2D mix of styles entering the uncanny valley

[misty saffron]

can’t argue with that

[vagrant inlet]

@vast moss it's an OK idea, the odyssey sucks compared to the rift S

You wouldn't know if the odyssey was your first and only vr kit

But I have the rift S, vive, and I had a odyssey (although I sold it, because I noticed that it sucked really hard)

Rift S, vive and valve index are the flagships of vr

Valve is the most premium while the rift S and vive are easily consumer grade

[vast moss]

Odyssey or Odyssey+? I heard the plus model made some improvements, but if the Odyssey wasn’t great to begin with then I trust the Odyssey+ isn’t great either :/

I went with the Rift S, but I would have gone for one of the Vive kits if they weren’t as expensive as they are.

[ashen spindle]

hence my opinon they dont make sense, rif s/quest as entry, index as top end package, Pimax as other premium option, dont think anything else makes sense

[vast moss]

I looked a bit into Pimax, and while I saw headsets, I didn’t see anything about controllers. How would they work?

[halcyon moss]

vive/index controllers

[vast moss]

Ah
So a reasonably expensive kit all things considered?

[ashen spindle]

the pimax is a standalone hmd, they just make the head part, not tracking/sensors/controlelrs etc.

[timid chasm]

isn't pimax always super fucking behind on delivery dates though?

[ashen spindle]

well that was the issue, now I dont know if that got better and its just covid causing delays etc.

also, if its on stock somewhere there wont be delays:p

[timid chasm]

Odyssey+ was also another one I was considering but ultimately decided meh

[halcyon moss]

My lenovo explorer is "okay". but its giving me motion sickness

[timid chasm]

I think maybe it was 2-camera tracking and potential issues with lining the controllers up

I've had VR overload the past 5 days or so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYf3bGmyFU

I watched that shit twice, lol

[timid chasm]

I've seen basically no VR headsets in stock in most places btw. I think best buy may have the Rift S but otherwise I haven't seen much

[old marlin]

I like the rift s btw

Better experience than the actual rift imo

[timid chasm]

I've heard the quest has some mediocre performance even when using the link and that saddened me a bit

[old marlin]

Lot less sensitive to being seated incorrectly

Yea dunno about the quest

[timid chasm]

otherwise that was going to be my go to

which is annoying since then it just becomes like any other

and I just can't do base stations for tracking atm.

[old marlin]

I mean

Rift s has none

[timid chasm]

Right I just mean for my reason of not buying any that use it

[old marlin]

And it's inside out tracking seemed to work very well

[pale sigil]

Quest is dope

And link is great

I'm blown away that I can also play over WiFi quite nice

Ofc isn't as nice as playing via wire

At least not in my router

[chrome estuary]

Im gonna wait for this supposed Quest 2

[pale sigil]

If it has an IPD

🤣

[ashen spindle]

from the images it looks like it wont

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/qrS1JU1C-YE?t=658

that startup video omfh thats cool

[ashen spindle]

intel not even making real announcements for the 10850k bc its a admission of 10900k not coming out good enough

[wheat plume]

https://www.skikk.eu/en/desktop/mini-thunder how so smol yet has an RTX 2060?

[reef patrol]

[old marlin]

actually not

3 slot cooler

needs a 2 slot one

any of these would work

[reef patrol]

Most likely a custom SKU.

With custom cooling stuck onto one of the small ITX cards.

[wheat plume]

Hmm

[reef patrol]

You uh... can't.

Not sure where you got 8 watts from 😄

A 1050(TI) can run on the 75W given through PCI-E. But above that you need a cable.

[ashen spindle]

https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-changes-technology-organization/#gs.bbpejx

heads be rolling

[plucky bone]

Tk:dr please

[ashen spindle]

murphy fired

mayberry leaves at end of year

leading people of the 5 big teams now report to CEO directly

[shadow minnow]

I do not know any of these names

[chrome prawn]

that startup video omfh thats cool
@wheat plume I miss that startup video.

I think he's wrong about the resolution though. IIRC the 17" was always 1200p; it's the 15" that had an option of 1440x900 or 1680x1050 (with the option of matte or glossy display)

[wheat plume]

idk man xd

They brought back that startup sound in Big Sur...sadly its disabled by default but just go to sound settings to get it back

[sacred shoal]

@ashen spindle I love how they don't say he's fired but they praise all mayberry has done and simply say "as a result of these changes murphy is leaving in exactly a week"

[halcyon moss]

god i hated that startup DUUUUNG sound

[shadow minnow]

Why does noctua make just bad looking fans, apart from few

They imo could have lost more than half of customers for some products

[old marlin]

they know that people buy it even they don't look good

so it is basically to rub it in the face of other companies

they also instantly get recognized

[shadow minnow]

There are many people that see these fans as ugly

[old marlin]

yea

that is part of the reason why they are ugly

[shadow minnow]

And just rather go for worse performing better looking fans

[fallow bison]

"This contrasting brown color makes Noctua a very well known fan maker, why would they change colors if that very color gives them free advertising. Even though some people might be turned off by the color, the performance they advertise makes up for this."

[old marlin]

since people buy them despite that

[fallow bison]

pure marketing

[shadow minnow]

For example nf a12x25 - performs so well, if looked like Corsair ml/ll imo nearly everyone buying these fans would have bought it

[old marlin]

also they would just look generic af otherwise

[shadow minnow]

But lot less people buy it cause that marketing

[old marlin]

just ask noiseblocker

[fallow bison]

Well Bexin, apperantly not

else they wouldve stopped

[ashen spindle]

you not wanting to buy bc color does not equal "a lot less people"

[fallow bison]

theyre not dumb

[old marlin]

ye

it works quite well for them

since people recognize it

[shadow minnow]

Apparently yes. Just there are still many people buying it, but not that many

[old marlin]

if you saw a pc build

and it had these fans

[shadow minnow]

They have enough sales but imo would have had lot more if they had normal looking fans

[old marlin]

would you ask why they chose those fans

they wouldn't have more sales

since they would look generic

the image I sent in

are noiseblocker black silent pros

actually good fans

nobody knows them though

[shadow minnow]

They could have made it look like Corsair ml fans - do not look generic and perform quite well

[old marlin]

since they look generic af

[shadow minnow]

I am not saying it should be all black

[old marlin]

corsair ml still looks generic

[shadow minnow]

No

[old marlin]

they do though

[shadow minnow]

Not the color versions

[old marlin]

even gentle typhoons do

[shadow minnow]

Same with ll’s, and many other fans

[old marlin]

ok

[shadow minnow]

They look quite different from all the other fans imo

[old marlin]

you compare an rgb focused fan

to a performance focuses fan

[shadow minnow]

I am wondering why is there no fan focused on both

[old marlin]

why isn't every car a hydrogen van?

[timid chasm]

because they explode

[old marlin]

most eco frinendly and useful

they don't though

[shadow minnow]

Best performing fan with LEDs is probably Corsair ml

Strange thing is that even though they made RGB version, RGB version has smaller max rpm and worse performance

[old marlin]

nope

ek vardar

better radiator fan

since they either just 1:1 copied gentle typhoons or use the same OEM design

and for case fans arguably eloop rgb

they behave a bit weirdly though

noctua knows why they chose the colors

[shadow minnow]

If nf a12x25 looked like Corsair MLs I would have just bought it

[old marlin]

since they are instantly recognizable

if they just made another same looking fan nobody would know them

[shadow minnow]

I mean, you recognize these ugly good performing fans

[old marlin]

yeaa

that is the entire point

brand recognition

if you removed the corsair logo from mls

then who tf would know what they are

[shadow minnow]

I would

[old marlin]

if they haven't seen it before

[shadow minnow]

They have differences

[old marlin]

ok

new corsair fan gets leaked

no logo

no indication who is going to release it since it is made by a big OEM

would you recognize it?

for noctua 100%

that is the entire point

[shadow minnow]

If it looked like ML refresh I would

[old marlin]

wowee

"if they release the same fan I would"

gg

[shadow minnow]

If you are trying to recognize these it is not that hard though , I mean, I see MLs in lot of water cooling builds

[old marlin]

generic af though

[shadow minnow]

Same with aorus monitors, no one talks about them too much but they are in many tech videos used/in background

[old marlin]

or are you seriously telling me that this design is not generic?

aorus monitors aren't all that great though

[shadow minnow]

I mean colored version

[old marlin]

wowee

[shadow minnow]

aorus monitors aren't all that great though
@old marlin they are not, that is why I am wondering why so many techtubers use these

[old marlin]

2007 pc fan

because of hype

same reason why they use MLs

[shadow minnow]

Well, MLs are one of the best

[old marlin]

ehhh

for rads

no

for case

no

[shadow minnow]

In test, they usually take 5th place

[ashen spindle]

also they often get samples they then just use what makes most sense to use

not whats best

[old marlin]

wowee

5th place

[shadow minnow]

Which is not that bad compared to many many other fans

[old marlin]

in probably not so great tests

[shadow minnow]

I mea, in test when they test best performing fans

[old marlin]

gn uses them because they have a ton

[shadow minnow]

You have lot worse fans

[old marlin]

and they don't break

when anything comes in contact with them

[shadow minnow]

And MLs are imo best performing good looking fans

[old marlin]

that sounds like you know all fans on the market

[shadow minnow]

I know all good performing ones, was searching for these

[old marlin]

ok

so you know eloops?

or black silents?

[shadow minnow]

I mean, I like look of MLs, and as there are not many Better performing fans, I know how the better ones look, and imo none of these looks better

[old marlin]

yea

as a rad fan vardars are better

with rgb

[shadow minnow]

I do not like look of vardars that much tbh

[old marlin]

ok

so it is not about best

but what you like

[shadow minnow]

I mean, look is always subjective

[old marlin]

might as well ask the other way around

why does corsair not make better fans than noctua?

they have a bigger budget

[shadow minnow]

I really like look of white Corsair MLs, perfectly fits my build color scheme

[old marlin]

ok

I'd prefer better fans

also rad fans are a pretty stupid topic in the first place

[shadow minnow]

why does corsair not make better fans than noctua?
@old marlin idk, a12x25 are newer, technology changed a bit

[old marlin]

since watercooling makes little sense

yea

ax12x25 has been coming for like 2 years

and was publically announced like a year before release

noctua is comparably open at computex with current development processes

from when they announce a product to release corsair can probably start development and release them before noctua does

[shadow minnow]

Imo brand recognition is not that valuable, especially not when everyone looking for good fans already knows about noctua

Making good looking fans can imo bring them more than just brand recognition

[old marlin]

noctua is just over 10 years old

and they had to make a name for themselves

also "good looking fans"

like ml?

so generic af

not even the eloop is well known

[shadow minnow]

Generic does not mean bad looking

[old marlin]

and they got a very unique design

yea

generic means you don;t stand out though

if you aren't known for cases, powersupplies and memory already

you can't get known for a generic fan

[shadow minnow]

It is enough to stand out with performance. Imo it is better to be normal than stand out as ugly looking, when already everyone knows noctua

[old marlin]

you say that

but then don't buy the top of the list

again

the eloop is not known

and has been around for years

[shadow minnow]

Does eloop make better performance fans than noctua?

[old marlin]

only case fan with a close off impeller

actually very good performance

pretty quiet as long as you don't have anything directly in front of it

and was released quite a while ago already

nobody gives a single fuck about them

[ashen spindle]

Imo brand recognition is not that valuable
m8

[old marlin]

nobody knows noiseblocker

nobody buys noiseblocker

and they have been around for longer than noctua

or alpenföhn

same deal

very similar market

has been around for a while

nobody knows them

bequiet eventually got recognition with weirdly rippled fans, powersupplies and cases

[shadow minnow]

Everyone knows best performing fans company though, and now they will not forget even if they will not push forward brand recognition

[old marlin]

nobody knew them before

again

nobody gives a fuck about noiseblocker

[ashen spindle]

Making good looking fans can imo bring them more
so what you are saying is "if they woud focus on another market, they could sell more there" no shit, but if they dont focus on their other market they then lose that so whats the point

[old marlin]

and they were one of the best performing

[shadow minnow]

But now they already know and they will not forget

[old marlin]

noise normalized the best performing

at the time at least

[ashen spindle]

But now they already know and they will not forget
yes but what about new customers, they then would only see generic fans and dont develop that recognition

[shadow minnow]

The new customers will still hear about them from tech videos...

[old marlin]

no

because no tech youtuber takes a look at them

[ashen spindle]

and you are insane if you think the majority of customers watches tech videos

[old marlin]

sorted for most viewed

jayz made a video on them

6 years ago

[shadow minnow]

People who do not watch tech videos probably buy prebuilds, or just ask for advice, and will never get to know noctua

[old marlin]

not true

[shadow minnow]

I did not know noctua my first 6 months when I was learning lot about tech, and started being interested in it.

[old marlin]

a lot of people look at written reviews

or what is most bought

recognition helps

always

[ashen spindle]

man you really need to stop thinking that everything is 100% as you imagine it to be from anecdotal evidence

[shadow minnow]

I just gave example

[old marlin]

oh yea completely forgot that the eloops also got sold with phobya branding

not even that helped

[shadow minnow]

I mean, many people I know interested in tech just little bit, but wanting to build/buy pc do not know noctua

[old marlin]

yea

they buy for brand

aka corsair

aka ml gets even more known

wowee

[shadow minnow]

They do not buy for brand as they do not recognize most of brands.

Although

[old marlin]

corsair

is big af

it is the first thing they see for cases powersupplies coolers and ram

[ashen spindle]

many people I know
anecdotal evidence

[shadow minnow]

I had trouble explaining friend that intel is so bad value for 1000 € pc, and is maybe worth it 1500+€. Although he knew nothing about tech, he has seen intel in some build, and he just wanted it. Took me long time to explain to him.

[old marlin]

yea

he can see a noctua fan

and recognize it

he can't see a generic fan

and do the same

[shadow minnow]

He does not recognize nearly anything

Apart from intel

[old marlin]

he can with ncotua though

that is the whole reason for the color scheme

[shadow minnow]

He can not because he never saw such a fan

[old marlin]

[shadow minnow]

Most of the people just buying PCs really never saw most of brands, and do not recognize it

They may know razer, Logitech, asus that is most of the time all

[ashen spindle]

yes but if you have ever seen a fan in shit brown, you can recognize that but not if you see one in default colors

you dont even need to know its noctua at taht point

[shadow minnow]

Even when these people may recognize it, they probably will not ask about these furthermore as they just see it as ugly fan, not knowing performance. They also have no way of knowing it is just from one brand

[old marlin]

they will ask why someone would use an ugly fan

and the only reasonable answer would be that is is better in another way

[shadow minnow]

True, some of them will ask, but some of them will just not care, and not ask

[old marlin]

they can recoginze them though

they would not be able to if it was mls

that alone makes the difference

[shadow minnow]

They will maybe think it is budget build and these are some budget ugly no brand fans so they might not ask furthermore

[ashen spindle]

yes not every single person will then go noctua bc of it

but there will be some

as opposed to 0

[urban lynx]

ngl, if i see that full white fan, i'd just wonder why i should build that into my case, as it wouldnt exactly fit the looks either.
... i mean, like 90% of cases i feel like are black / full black all over anyway... and pretty much all the components too

and then there is this single, standing out white fan?

on another note: I hear a lot of people talk about alpenföhn.

like, so far of the ones i know irl have or had one already

[ashen spindle]

think here in germany alpenföhn is a bit more known than elsewhere bc local brand

but thats just a guess

[urban lynx]

... might be 😅

[shadow minnow]

What is alpenföhn? 😅

[fair gull]

big ass coolers

[urban lynx]

that there is the model brocken 3

[fair gull]

https://www.alpenfoehn.de/

[urban lynx]

basically their models are named after mountains

[fair gull]

arent they all mountains in germany

[urban lynx]

no, not all

they have mountains from all over

[shadow minnow]

I never heard of alpenfohn before

[urban lynx]

olymp, black ridge, etc

[fair gull]

@shadow minnow cause german

its one of the most sold coolers in my store

besides corsair watercoolers

[urban lynx]

your store?

you own a store?

[shadow minnow]

[fair gull]

practically yes

officially no

[shadow minnow]

That means?

So you does or not?

[urban lynx]

probably owned by someone else, but that someone else doesnt bother as long as it runs

[shadow minnow]

@fair gull

[urban lynx]

like, "you keep it running, yes? then i'll piss off to some island somewhere and dip my ass in some water"

[fair gull]

both my employers work beside me

but i have almost all the rights here

except

taking money from cash register/vault

otherwise i have a say as much as them in everything pmuch

even employing people etc

[shadow minnow]

That means you can take things from inventory that should be sold?

(Probably not)

[urban lynx]

i mean, he can probably buy his stuff for cheaper, since technically he can order them in the stores name or something

though of course... would the tax collector like that? no.

[shadow minnow]

What store is it tony? @fair gull

[fair gull]

@shadow minnow i can but i dont

pc service and office supplies

we also do laser printers from kyocera and utax

servers

and networking

we also sell cash register and pc registers

[urban lynx]

regarding printers... would you say toner printers are a bit outdated?

[fair gull]

u mean laser

laser printers take toner cartridges and burn the toner onto the paper

its the most efficient printing for offices etc

the only more efficient thing is big printers which use drums or whatever they are called

pmuch like money printers

[ivory geyser]

Laser printers are awesome.

I had one for 15 years, still going strong lol

[urban lynx]

we have some old toner lasers from kyocera, but the toner ends up often leaving lines and other stupid stuff. it gets so dirty all the time. it's worse when you try to scan some of the barcodes on them

i gotta head out for a bit now, or i'll be late for the appointment

[ivory geyser]

@urban lynx you need to give it new toner every few years

Or it starts doing that

[urban lynx]

we replace the toner cartridge near monthly

[ivory geyser]

o_o

[fair gull]

thing is

[ivory geyser]

Must be an overused printer then

[fair gull]

u also have to replace drum kits, fusers etc

after a certain mileage

otherwise u get lines or dots

or general bad quality prints

[urban lynx]

we easily print about 100 pages daily

usually more than that

[fair gull]

seems good use for laser than

ink will be tons more expensive

and slower

[urban lynx]

cant exactly tell numbers though, it varies

i mean i'm aware that ink is even worse, but i figured there might be one that didnt exactly need something like toner cartridges

[fair gull]

we do 200+ each day

with printers 20yrs old

[urban lynx]

i mean our sublimeal printer is worse XD

i put a piece of carton between a thing that is supposed to keep the roll of the labels straight, but it ended up getting them to the line thingy that does the heat, and ended up glueing itself stuck

got annoying since it nearly meant reprinting every other label, cleaning the whole thing, and repeat

[old marlin]

we had people at 2000+ pages a day at one point

like single persons

[fair gull]

we have that too

they have rather big printers tho

[old marlin]

well

[fair gull]

and they do lots of finisher stuff

[old marlin]

those persons did not

[fair gull]

like stapling

etc

[old marlin]

was no room for it

was for communication with a customer

[urban lynx]

the guys in the office upstairs got two of these big printer, copy, scanner combo units that stands on its own

[old marlin]

sicne they all are very uhhh

antiquated

we convinced that customer to switch to digital transfers

which we can directly input into our ERP system

[urban lynx]

i'm off now, i'll be too late otherwise

[fair gull]

@urban lynx

like this?

[ashen spindle]

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-TGL-Linux-Power-Limit4 >4 cores TGL with optional 105watt TDP 14nm++++++++ not so efficient anymore

[wheat plume]

name of display: :0

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

hmmm.........

I guess its better than forcing that area of the screen to be black in software

[plush summit]

@wheat plume one thing i wished to do was set a custom display profile

but i dont know how to go about doing it

[wheat plume]

no idea either

[halcyon moss]

:0

it gets interesting when you run your x env on an other machine 😉

[shadow minnow]

Some people I know got tracking number from ekwb

Free fittings

Looks like they are going to fix it though

Got fixed

From ek’s admin statement, if you did not order crazy amount like 999, you should get it 😄

Congrats to everyone who bought it, you saved quite a lot of money

[fair gull]

@wheat plume isnt that just like samsungs infinity o display Shit

or whatever its called

[urban lynx]

@fair gull yeah similiar to those. though either you are really tall, or these printerrs super small.
though we downstairs only got two small print only ones we got standing in the shelf near the staircase door

[fair gull]

they are 120cm heigh roughly

and smaller due to being directly on a extra casette option instead of a rollable thingy

base cabinet = thingy

using a base cabinet instead of extra casettes u add another 20-40cm depending on the base cabinet

[urban lynx]

huh

okay

[halcyon moss]

omg an Ninox Astrum update

[fickle ore]

yes

[wheat plume]

@wheat plume isnt that just like samsungs infinity o display Shit
@fair gull kind of
But Samsung had a black area between the cameras

[fair gull]

thats part of the camera assembly

was more about the whole screen going round camera cutout

instead of just a complete cutout to the edge

like the first phones had

[short cove]

Guys I could use some help

Those EZ debug lights on my mobo seems to turn on at random for literally no reason

[reef patrol]

While the system is running normally?

[short cove]

yep

like I am using it

and it lights up

this time it's the boot light

last few times it was VGA

even tho none of the things that would cause it to light up is actually broken

[zenith sonnet]

Late to the convo, but a reason Noctua doesn't just do colours is that it affects the plastic

Look at how much trouble they have just getting it black

[short cove]

i don't mind beige i rarely look at the case unless some dumbass light is on

[zenith sonnet]

The NF-A12x25 chromax will not even be black, they can just get it to be somewhat darker grey

More dye and the plastic malforms during use

[short cove]

if they want different colours they can just get some other brand's fan lol

it's not like you have to buy noctua

@reef patrol

this is on as i am typing

[fair gull]

have u ever googled the meaning

or tried a bios update/reflash

[short cove]

I did look it up

indicates the booting device is not detected
or fail.

but at the same time it used to light up for VGA for literally no reason

[fair gull]

try bios update

[reef patrol]

If your PC booted the LEDs lose their labelled meaning.

[short cove]

That's

Odd

So what should I do about it

[ashen spindle]

nothing unless it really bothers you

[short cove]

It doesn't really bother me

My PC works and I really don't want to mess with it

Can you elaborate on that lose their labelled meaning thing?

[reef patrol]

If the PC booted, then obviously there isn't a BOOT error

[short cove]

Well it also wouldn't have a VGA error because the PC is working

[ashen spindle]

I'd imagine is just random signals that just light it up with no specific reason

[urban lynx]

wasnt the discussion about this noctua not why nobody is buying it? and now we're at "buy another if you dont like the color?"

also i can kinda only use my computer when some light is on. blame my mom for that.

"being at the PC without any other light is bad for you"

"your eyes will be ruined"

[short cove]

I mean it's blinding

I'd always turn on a bit of light

[urban lynx]

look at me now mom, i was at the computer for so much, and i dont even need my glasses anymore. lol.

[short cove]

I just don't like it when there's only the monitor on

[urban lynx]

i usually have some of my ceiling lights on

[short cove]

Well I'll leave it on in case that there actually is a failure @ashen spindle

There's a switch on the board that lets me turn those LEDs off

[ashen spindle]

didnt know that lol good to know

[short cove]

@zenith sonnet is there any source on that?

[proud nacelle]

Anyone know where I could find the sabertooth 990 fx r2.0 com port adapter? I hesitate of just buying a random adapter off the internetz since I am not sure if it would be compatible with the serial port (AFAIK there can be two lines which are switched and that just breaks everything).

[reef patrol]

The what now.

[proud nacelle]

Com port

White little piece on the motherboard for serial.

Manual states that an adapter for such exists. Can't find it.

I could buy a random adapter off the internet but I am not sure if those two lines are reversed or not.

[reef patrol]

EBay or bust I guess. That motherboard sounds ancient.

[proud nacelle]

Well it is ancient

[short cove]

Wow I have no idea they had some much engineering in a fan

but they can't make those silicone mounts actually work right

[proud nacelle]

I can't find it on ebay. That's my main problem.

[proud nacelle]

Is there any way I could figure out which way my com port is wired at least?

[proud nacelle]

Further searching and I have found so called COM port adapters, but they aren't made for my specific model. They are however made for different ASUS boards.

[ashen spindle]

have you considered using not outdated hardware

[proud nacelle]

Just because it's ancient/outdated doesn't mean it's garbo.

Not to mention I don't want to upgrade.

[ashen spindle]

never said its garbo, just harder to get stuff for bc its ancient

[proud nacelle]

True that

But it seems like it was never made or something

Even though it specifically states in the manual "The com port module can be bought".

[ashen spindle]

I mean I dont think I ever used one lul

in the manual from when

[proud nacelle]

Latest manuel for the mobo.

Not sure the date

[ashen spindle]

latest manual from 2001 wouldnt mean much

[proud nacelle]

January 2013

Oof.

:reee:

Motherboard manufacturers really need to up their manual game.

[proud nacelle]

Well

Good news

[reef patrol]

Anyone know of any EU based custom paracord mouse coord makers? Need some new cables for my Ergodox.

[proud nacelle]

You can figure out if your motherboard serial port is AT/EVEREX or DTK/INTEL by using a multi meter and this website https://pinoutguide.com/Motherboard/rs232_header.shtml

[proud nacelle]

i hate sticky keys and it is god awful...

[vast moss]

There should be a way to turn it off if you're on Windows

[proud nacelle]

Oh for sure

I'm just saying it popping up in a match is the worst thing possible.

[vast moss]

I disabled the shortcut because it popped up once while I was playing a game. Now I don't have to deal with it again

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah I'd assume everyone disables it the first time it's triggered (if they don't need it, that is)

[vast moss]

What does it do again?

[proud nacelle]

Prevent you from accidentally enabling it

[frozen anchor]

for me it was off by default

[proud nacelle]

It name says what it does

If you have a sticky key

It will prevent it from spamming the key.

[vast moss]

I see

[ashen spindle]

amd earnings call in 15, after intels call I am very intrigued how this one will go

maybe some more specific zen3 dates will be known

[proud nacelle]

The ASUS Sabertooth 990 fx r2.0 use the AT/EVEREX pinout.

Thank god for multimeters.

[vast moss]

Here's a fairly odd question, I think: in Windows, my C: (OS) drive is Disk 1, whereas my D: drive (game library) is Disk 0. If my C: drive is an M.2 and my D: a SATA, is there a way I can swap it such that C: is 0 and D: is 1?

[reef patrol]

Your motherboard dictates disk 0

This is also why I always - ALWAYS unplug all but the OS drive during reinstall. Since Microsoft tends to put bootfiles on disk 0 even if it isn't OS.

[vast moss]

When I reinstalled Windows (had to in order to use my key as it was an OEM one) I don't think I did, but it seems the bootfiles aren't on D:.
Here's what Disk Management looks like for me in case it helps

I have my D: drive plugged into SATA_2 iirc, and my C: in M.2_1.

Guessing there's nothing I can really do, though, if it's dictated by the motherboard. All right then. Thanks

[reef patrol]

Not to my knowledge, no. 🙂

Windows doesn't care.

[empty wren]

Guessing there's nothing I can really do, though, if it's dictated by the motherboard. All right then. Thanks
SATA apparently takes priority

[vast moss]

Apparently. Wonder why, seeing that M.2 is usually people's main drive if they have one

[reef patrol]

Old standards.

[empty wren]

I guess you could try this Rain though I doubt it would be effective, power down your pc, unplug the sata device and then turn it back check disk management.

[reef patrol]

Won't change it.

[empty wren]

Yeah, I guess registry stuff could if someone wanted but........

[reef patrol]

Mnope.

Motherboard straight up tells all OSs that Disk X is Disk 0.

[empty wren]

oh so not even windows determines this

[reef patrol]

That's what I've been saying 😄

[empty wren]

i know you have but like you know grub for linux

[vast moss]

I started with my M.2 in M.2_1 and SATA in SATA_1, but I later tried moving SATA to _2 to no avail

[reef patrol]

Linux sees them in the same way - But it doesn't matter. It's up to the OS to decide where it puts "C"

[vast moss]

so yeah, guess it's a lost cause.
And it gave me the choice where to install Windows (and thus, put C:) when I originally installed Windows.

[reef patrol]

Yep. But it'll still install bootfiles to Disk0 😄

At least if you're doing it oldschool Legacy mode instead of UEFI.

[vast moss]

Will it? The msdownld folder is empty
and I'm pretty sure this is UEFI but I'm not certain

[reef patrol]

Not files you can see.

And you're most likely using UEFI anyhow 😄

[empty wren]

wait Mansen what would happen if he backuped up his games

used dism to clean up the drive

[vast moss]

So if I were in Legacy, then if I removed the HDD, would it prevent me from booting my computer?

[reef patrol]

Legacy uses the boot sector. So... no idea? Never used DISM

I assume it just installs a new WINDOWS folder and renames the old.

[vast moss]

Disk Management says C: is responsible for boot

[reef patrol]

"C" is a Windows term.

The harddisk/SSD's boot sector tells the BIOS that there's something TO boot, and then points to the partition.