🤔 what is that?
#🔌│tech
wheat plume
fair gull
shed cry that it complains about too much stuff
@wheat plume linting enforces rather specific coding style
as in spaces after each comma but not before, line breaks, braces in certain places, spaces before anf after braces, trailing commas, unused vars, trailing commas, empty line at end of file and what not
depends on how its configured tho
wheat plume
oo
fair gull
linting also has these line length limits
thats what the rulers are for
so you can style code accordingly
keeping readability in mind
cause not everyone has a 10m wide monitor
halcyon moss
readability is key in programming
fair gull
id argue its kinda shit tho that theres a necessary hard wrapping attached to the column rulers in intellij
the same way tabs are better than spaces for indentation
having a column ruler is better than not having one
fair gull
can they?
halcyon moss
depends on the linter/language
fair gull
guess i dont make any never saw it pointing out errors or mistakes
only crys about empty line at end of file
which im still not used to
ashen spindle
resharper for example can point out a lot
halcyon moss
for example in JS, starting a line with a ( can have some strange uninteded behaviour
fair gull
can it
wheat plume
overkill hosts file
fair gull
more like "not using a pihole"
ashen spindle
you can host a pihole online and route everything through there
wheat plume
hm...
fair gull
shoukd provide secret agend ad block dns for here
halcyon moss
node is smart and intepretets that as 2 seperate statements
paste it in a browser console
enforcing semicolons fixes this ofcourse
fair gull
looks like an actual compiler problem tho
cause js doesnt specify ;
but smth like (await x())()
is completely valid
halcyon moss
nope this is JS
fair gull
async function x () {
return new Promise(resolve => {
setTimeout(resolve, 2000, function() {
console.log('Hello')
})
})
}
async function main() {
(await x())()
}
main()
works no issues
so yes its valid code
halcyon moss
thats not what the issue is
fair gull
simple () is just an expression
yes that is what the issue is
js doesnt see that "aa" is a string thats supposed to be assigned to global.a
halcyon moss
( can be part of the previous expression in js
fair gull
so this is a clear problem of the parsing and lexing
tbf tho you usually dont put expressions into ()
cause such on the fly defining and executing is not necessary most of the times
id understand smth like a = aa
causing this
but neither a = 1234 nor a = "abc" should cause this since both arent valid function names
ashen spindle
I think the main point is, smth like this can have unwanted effects and your normal editor isn't catching that
fair gull
the editor clearly does a better job than the js parser here
halcyon moss
its valid js, it is very weird to do something like that though
fair gull
i might dm a guy who works on node and v8 so he can look into why the parser doesnt catch on to this
halcyon moss
BUT it can happen
fair gull
rn it could yes
halcyon moss
theyre not gonna change this, its valid JS. someone probably relies on this :p
halcyon moss
on in the string case yes..
but it can be anything on the previous line
yuore technically right, but youre missing the point
halcyon moss
... and thats where linters help
fair gull
not writing shit code would prob also help
halcyon moss
thats besides the point
ashen spindle
idk js so I cant talk about this case, but sometimes you just dont know or forget an interaction and make a mistake like this, so you write non shit code by using the linter
your point is kinda like "why use a profiler if you could just write perfect code"
fair gull
async function x () {
return new Promise(resolve => {
setTimeout(resolve, 2000, function() {
console.log('Hello')
})
})
}
async function main() {
let a = "abc"
let func = await x()
if (typeof func !== "function") {
return
}
func()
}
main()
in an actual use case
ud write code like this
instead of just shortening it to (await x())()
halcyon moss
fair gull
even of you place the semicolon behind "abc" you get tons of other errors not even the linter would complain about
and the traces dont help either
cause youd just get "PromiseResolve is not a function"
gg
or PromiseReject
ashen spindle
ok other point, I had a for loop where I needed to access something from a list, at the iterator index. Later I needed to move that to another thread, by doing so the actual execution was in another scope and I forgot about that at the moment. Then resharper was telling me that I'm using the iterator out of scope which may lead to potential unwanted results (which was correct here)
ashen spindle
ofc not
fair gull
it also doesnt replace getting rid of bad coding habbits
halcyon moss
most linters also do a bit of static analysis these days
ashen spindle
I dont code in shit ways and then use autoformat to change it, I code the way I know it, if resharper tells me "hey this could be better" I take a look at it, and if it is better, I then use that from there on
fair gull
resharper is a code analysis tool isnt it
ashen spindle
it has multiple things, analysis too yes
fair gull
apparently linters are not even meant to give code style errors
lint, or a linter, is a tool that analyzes source code to flag programming errors, bugs, stylistic errors, and suspicious constructs.
guess i never actually used a linter then
ah wait stylistic errors right near the end
huh eslint actually just provides stylistic error checking
ivory geyser
Eslint can also be set to actually auto-fix your code too
fair gull
doesnt that just enforce styling rules tho
as in "no trailing comma" -> removes trailing comma
at least thats what the fix command did in the cases i tried it
almost forgot to reenablr the semicolon styling rule in eslint
phew
fair gull
?
i disabled the semicolon enforcement for testing the whole thing that sparked this
basically as if not using eslint
clearly eslint didnt care that this technically produced non working code tho
ivory geyser
I am a little confused. ESlint is used for JS and JS works without semicolons in 99% cases
ashen spindle
o no, opened a twitch stream and got an ad
I hope it was just a one time issue of my adblock not coming in fast enough
old marlin
@reef patrol seen this https://www.velocifiretech.com/product/dumang-dk6-ergo-v2
reef patrol
That's... actually really interesting. I wonder if latency sucks with all of that weirdness with detecting keys like that.
frozen anchor
hmm they say that it has 1ms
reef patrol
The price though... yikes 😄
ivory geyser
That is some absolute next-level mad-ladery
fair gull
@ivory geyser #🔌│tech message
thats where it started
and my point was eslint is purely for styling
thus linting wont fix that
ivory geyser
Well most importantly, good JS going to a browser should go through transpiler anyway.
What you write most of the time with JS is source code nowadays.
fair gull
why would you transpile it tho
ivory geyser
Because you want it to be minimized or because you need to support older browsers that dont support new features. Or because you want to write in TypeScript instead of JS, but browsers cant read it, so you need to get it to JS first.
crimson wigeon
Yeah gotta have that IE6 support still
fair gull
lol no i basically only code for FF, chrom and safariman
ie can go die
ill just redirect anyone with incompatible browsers to firefox or chrome download
easy fix
proud nacelle
the whole blacklist/whitelist thing is a fkin joke.
same goes for master/slave
and any other non-sense of the like.
old marlin
@pale sigil kind of, what do you need
chrome prawn
I did not like the foam tips that came with it, felt even worse for fit
@halcyon moss
Comply is the best foam company.
crimson wigeon
Hey Linux nerds what's the secret trick to recording line in and mic in simultaneously, on Windows this is ez pz just works.. Linux I have no idea what ALSA / PA incantations I have to write
crimson wigeon
I'm only interested in audio
crimson wigeon
No I want it to work properly as 2 separate inputs
That I can then plug into whatever I want
wheat plume
oh, im not sure
the most advanced sound stuff I had to do was to try to get also mixer setup right with that stupid hard to use command line UI
proud nacelle
@crimson wigeon arecord should do the trick. be sure to also mess in alsamixer. if arecord does not work, try using two of them and merging them after. first go into .asoundrc and configure your main "input" device to be both line in and mic in to be merged to be that device. then, use arecord.
crimson wigeon
I don't want them merged I want to keep them separate
proud nacelle
well, the best thing I can think of is to both record them at once and merge them at the end
there might be other possibilities that i am unaware of however.
JACK could also be a possibility. Have no experience with it though so ymmv.
crimson wigeon
Jack is amazing but it only gives me one recording source
proud nacelle
Wish I could help you but I can't. More than likely your configuration is wrong.
crimson wigeon
Alright I'll reword it: currently in Pulse I have one source, which I can switch between all the ports... I want 2 sources so I can have 2 ports at the same time
proud nacelle
No clue then. Sorry.
I will admit that you're correct about the Windows part. Audio in Linux sucks.
wheat plume
windows cant use my headphones when I plug them in unless I reboot :/
proud nacelle
USB based headphones?
wheat plume
audio jack
wheat plume
still plays via laptop speaker -.-
crimson wigeon
As in here I want another "Built-in Audio Analog Stereo"..
ashen spindle
We’ve been over this, it’s gotta be some driver issue or issue with the laptop/headset, not windows most likely
wheat plume
yeah some dell crap
proud nacelle
@crimson wigeon so just to be sure, you do not want to mix audio as a single input. you just want two inputs instead of one?
crimson wigeon
Yes
proud nacelle
The easiest way to get both as a seperate device would be just to use ALSA.
I am not aware of any other way
Unless you got a 3.5mm to USB or some other non-sense that pulseaudio would like to play nice with.
If you don't mind me asking what are you trying to do?
fair gull
id guess record 2 audio signals
proud nacelle
Well yeah but what for? If he's trying to do that then ALSA can do that just fine.
He doesn't want to merge them either.
fair gull
prob for mixing later
cant imagine many reasons otherwise but only they know what it really is
proud nacelle
I mean if you go into alsamixer you can set both devices as inputs and use both.
Then just use arecord on both.
crimson wigeon
Various audio shenanigans, I'd prefer to keep it in Pulse (and perhaps Jack) so it's compatible
proud nacelle
Then I don't know anymore. I did all I could. Unless @wheat plume decides to become a PulseAudio master, you're more than likely SOL. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Also search engines.
crimson wigeon
Hmmmm... I've kinda gotten it to kinda work but the quality is mud butt 🤔
Now I wonder if PipeWire handles this better 🤔
fair gull
@golden girder so explain why you think its superior to use the source code part for binaries
golden girder
It seems to me that your intention is just to denunciate me and because I give a shit about that I can't care less to discuss about that.
proud nacelle
At the end of the day the binary is still out there, so what is the problem?
Saves the trouble of anyone needing to compile it manually. Just be thankful.
shadow minnow
Ordering https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/meshify/meshify-s2-tempered-glass/Black-tgd/
should be here this Friday
Planning to do some modding of that case
First thing is that I will probably “build in” wireless charger
Do you have Any ideas what modding to do?
misty pier
could add in those cheap displays that show your stats or whatever
like comp temps and all that fancy shnazzle
shadow minnow
Good idea, if I can find some simpler way to do so, I will 😄
shadow minnow
@misty pier do you know any simple way to do it? I mean, would be best if there is some display that connects just with usb, and has software for it.
misty pier
some people bought those displays that work with raspberry pis
reef patrol
It's honestly easier to plug in a small panel traditionally.
misty pier
hooked via hdmi and micro usb i think?
proud nacelle
Most people use small raspberry pi displays
misty pier
i've thought about getting something like that for my case
proud nacelle
Cheap, easy to install and quick to get.
shadow minnow
That meshify s2 case imo looks so good
misty pier
wish fractal refreshed their older itx cases
wheat plume
Large ass Google update
Wtf is happening??
ashen spindle
have you tried googling what the google update changes
wheat plume
Xd I'm going to
fair gull
psure that destroys the internet
nova carbon
no phanteks love pepeHands
i think in terms of usability and features phanteks might be top atm but their aesthetic could use work
pale sigil
Damn
empty wren
Like I get the design looks refreahing
pale sigil
ivory geyser
500 
reef patrol
If only I had lungs to spare to sell xD
halcyon moss
that keyboard is upside down
reef patrol
Better? 😛
timid chasm
There's gonna be a wooting two HE wtfffffffff
misty saffron
okay but where is insert
can’t cheat in my favorite online video game after school man :(
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtR-8qCdwrA
The Wooting HEhhehehhhhhhhhhehehehe
sharp copper
🤐
old marlin
@reef patrol I actually expected a higher price for that lol
warped dove
They actually done did it
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zephyrgaming/zephyr-gaming-mouse
with a goal of only $5000 how the hell do they actually expect to make a profit after all those design and tooling costs and a RRP of $150
Kinda looking forward to rocket jump ninja tearing it apart
warped dove
Wooting with watercoolin when?
@digital cliff it would simply make sense, but it's Chinese companies that use this strategy chronically. This appears to be a Honk Kong group of graduates, the culture is very different there. Also just the production costs and marketing must have cost them tens of thousands already. I've been hearing about it for months.
The goal is pretty meaningless, they have 34 days on the campaign to go
they might be delusional about that success of the project
but also think about school/university/college
Is that taking tens of thousands of dollars of "loss" (debt/cost) for no reason?
No it's experience, practice, learning, investment in people by the government/individual
pale sigil
Lol what
warped dove
New creators start with lossy products all the time
Not good for consumers I fear, unless it's actually a good item
old marlin
not the zephyr
such a stupid concept
the media quotes they give are either only based on public material or say that it isn't very useful
158 USD
WTF
old marlin
not at all
short cove
What is that weird paste that comes with an AMD wraith stealth cooler
It's all dried out but there's no film protecting it
fair gull
iirc the standard paste that comes with all stock coolers
the dried up shit thats usually stripes or a square
altho i think its supposed to be this stiff/dry
short cove
It feels like some sticky paper
fair gull
i once heard somewhere that its so weirdly non fluid so it doesnt move around while shipping meaning its "perfectly" applied when assembling
ashen spindle
does anyone know of a good place to go to look for a good office chair
proud nacelle
second-hand stores
proud nacelle
ah, my bad then.
short cove
ikea
anyway I have a more powerful cooler installed so I can actually inspect the stock cooler
coooommmmm'
pale sigil
xD
misty pier
i mean look up some ergonomic chairs and see if there's some legit reviews for those
or just get secondhand ones
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
so like herman miller partnered store or a step below that?
fair gull
not herman miller but that price range
ashen spindle
well normally I'd consider it, but I'm not using trains atm
and since I dont have a car that means no travel :p
fair gull
tbh idk why people spend like 50€ on their chair but 4grand on their pc
ashen spindle
yeah I dont mind spending more on something with 12 year warranty that I use like 90 hours+ a week
fair gull
same... if my current dauphin breaks ill prob get either another one or even move up the range
this one is actually a hand me down
still works
20years going strong
technically same
ashen spindle
did you make your own chair?
fair gull
my dad got the one im on rn from the time he was working at simens in germany
fair gull
samsung s3 neo maybe
they are rather small and iirc rootable
ya has twrp available
thats a given obviously
phones are getting larger again and soon enough
theyll go smaller again
watching videos
tbh tho its super nice to type on bigger phones
na imma get a motorla razer for work phone
razr*
the v3
in blue
i had one
sadly
broke it
dang
not even expensive
thick elk
€ 0 is also what I paid for mine, though that is not entirely fair. I can basically take stuff like that from work in general if I want to.
It's 19 years old but It's just very comfortable for me at least.
crimson wigeon
Yes but then knox is permanently tripped so you can wave goodbye to everything requiring safetynet and such
(but that's the case with most devices now, in the name of "security" you're not allowed full control of your device, how about that)
proud nacelle
knox is a joke
thick elk
Magisk generally fixes safety net checks
proud nacelle
samsung health can still be used by changing a line in a file
crimson wigeon
for now
thick elk
Tripping knox can also make it a bit harder to claim warranty or at least it was the case in the past.
proud nacelle
If you're buying secondhand it doesn't matter anyway
Just stay far far fucking away from any Sony branded device though
Those things are fucking nightmares.
pale sigil
Well
crimson wigeon
Of course if you're not using any Google apps and whatnot anyway it don't matter, root away, install custom operating systems and enjoy a liberated device
pale sigil
They have some good headphones
thick elk
Didn't sony have this problem with the camera getting shit after root or something?
fair gull
yes
proud nacelle
eitherway if you want good pictures go use a dslr or something
fair gull
id still have a sony if they didnt remove the headphone jack after the xzpremium
that and not enough storage
thick elk
I personally don't care much about the base storage of the device as long as I can fit my 200gb music library on a micro sd or somthing.
more then 200gb is rare anyway
thick elk
or rather at least 400gb to keep some buffer
thick elk
I just hope they will make the phones less long, I really don't see the need to stretch it behond 16:9
having a shorter wider phone would be much nicer
but sadly more screen diagonal is more better
proud nacelle
I mean at this point just give us tablets with cellular capabilities for crying out loud
fair gull
those exist
proud nacelle
But are rare
fair gull
not really
so is samsung
and apple with their tablet phones
they all way too big
z3 and xzp were nice sizes
the new ones i didnt even look at
well samsungs 19:9 isnt much better
apple is also 19:9 i think
not sure tho
but this is part of the reason why i want to get a razr v3i
just way more comfortable to use all day at work
plus no way i get distracted by random apps and shit
proud nacelle
What pisses me off the most about said "dumbphones" are they aren't even that fucking dumb anymore.
fair gull
battery prob still drains crazy fast
proud nacelle
Yes but that's an older model
I'm talking about ones with 3g/4g capability.
They aren't even remotely dumb.
proud nacelle
2g is better imo
less battery usage
better coverage
my experience with 3g/4g is awful
I wish they would have killed off 3g instead of 2g.
2g is still bloody useful.
thick elk
From what I understand there where plans here to get rid of 3g before 2g
proud nacelle
@thick elk exactly what I was referencing
also fleimi the 5310 looks way better than that 3310 redesign imo
3310 looks like a child's phone ngl
fair gull
i have super bad experience with 3g aswell
i have super dope 2g and 4g coverage
i get better 5g even than 3g
proud nacelle
fleimi one crazy idea
just buy a 2g modem
can't get dumber than that
@fair gull 5g...
Well
At least they don't have these fancy animations
I consider that a win in my book
Can anyone identify what these two ports are used for? 56150 and 4886. If it helps they're both on UDP. Update: 4886 is related to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888268 .
reef patrol
2G is ... the standard for phone calls in Europe last I checked.
fair gull
T-Mobile is the brand name used by the mobile communications subsidiaries of the German telecommunications company Deutsche Telekom AG. The brand is active in the Czech Republic (T-Mobile Czech Republic), the Netherlands (T-Mobile Netherlands), Poland (T-Mobile Polska), United States (T-Mobile US), and in Hungary (Magyar Telekom).
reef patrol
Best coverage, more than enough bandwidth for the main purpose of a phone.
fair gull
and yes 2g from telekom works absolutely fine
anywhere
2g also doesnt really have data?
thats 2.75g
aka edge
2.5 is GPRS
if u have an e
on the internet thing
its edge
i see it all the time
anyway 2g is the pmuch gold standard for making phone calls
never had that with telekom.de
like 2g is literally everywhere
(using germany as example cause i know theres a tool)
old marlin
@fair gull can assure you that that is not accurate 
fair gull
well if u zoom in u get more holes
but generally telekom has the best 2g coverage
in germany
fair gull
i dont really care about mobile data myself
old marlin
I would have to go to the nearest bigger city
fair gull
cause the only times i could use it is at home and work
old marlin
well I don;t care a lot as well
old marlin
but I have dead spots on all streets around my village
fair gull
T-Mobile US has postponed shutdown of their 2G network until 2020.[33]
LOL
t-mobile us doing the dummy move
old marlin
well if they fully replaced it
fair gull
2g should stay the call standard imo
unless actually better coverage through anything else
old marlin
uea that is what I mean
if they replaced it fully there is no reason to really keep it
fair gull
i highly doubt its fully replaced
old marlin
I hate all that 5G hype in germany though
since the 4G network is still VERY lackluster
and 5G will only replace that network
fair gull
4g network is actually more solid than 3g
old marlin
not in my experience
fair gull
well im going of of the general coverage map
old marlin
I almost never have 4G
old marlin
I usually have HSPA
old marlin
at my hold home I couldn't use paypal 2fa
old marlin
my dads place could only get 16k DSL or LTE from the neighbouring town which was behind a hill
and data cap on LTE was 30gb
fair gull
@prisma crag cause the government usually doesnt build internet lines
old marlin
refills were 10 euros
fair gull
the providers do
old marlin
that was in 2014
reef patrol
Hawaiian islands are small enough that they could cover it in a wifi internet solution fast 😄
fair gull
doubt
well you see
avacon breitband gmbh (broadband provider from a german gas/electrical company) is spending a bit over 100mil € rn
to connect my small rural place
and the next town over
plucky bone
Yo, new here so not sure where to post, but I cant find where 80 black switches in the store for the korean keyboard
fair gull
not really far apart
but apparently
laying down internet cables and fibre cables and building new infrastructure costs
a lot
plucky bone
Do people also lube/film the switches?
plucky bone
Cool
plucky bone
:o
fair gull
idk what they are called
but people used the paper breadbag clips
with the 2 wires on each side
these ones
but out of the thin plastic
cut away the wire and apparently they were the exact fit
plucky bone
Hmm, that seems like a hack/bodge type of thing to me
fair gull
ya but apparently made the stems more stable
fair gull
people also put thin rubber at the bottom out point
old marlin
lost my loose flaretech switches
fair gull
decreasing range but dampening the sound
old marlin
otherwise I would have tried filming them
fair gull
someone tried and said they werent able to get the housing to clip together
plucky bone
@old marlin aww
fair gull
altho i was sure someone else tried successfully
old marlin
depends on the films ig
plucky bone
Get like 0,01mm film haha
fair gull
would need to be super thin
frozen anchor
with tight switches you dont want to film them
fair gull
like sellers tape kinda thin
old marlin
yea if the films are that thin it makes no sense anymore
plucky bone
Yeah, I did not understand why people were filming switches at first, but I guess some brands have loose housings
fair gull
i mean there is a super super tiny amount of wiggle in the housing
but prob not enough to contribute to overall noise
fair gull
id be more concerned with maybe shimming/filming the switch and housing
cause thats where a ton of wiggle room is
obviously
old marlin
frozen anchor
stem wiggle doesnt matter as much though
fair gull
@old marlin the flaretech switches have so much wiggle i barely hear it when holding besides my ear and wiggling the housing
have to really focus to hear it
ton of rattling when mounted tho due to tolerances in the holes of the topplate
maybe ill try to make the quietes wooting ever one day
including films between the housing halfs
like 2 layers of sellers tape or so
plucky bone
Ok, I remembered on of my questions was that normal keyboards use matrixes for which key is being pressed, and when you have a 60% keyboard you would have 64 switches which is 8x8 matrix whereas bigger keyboard would need bigger matrixes. Would then the 60% keyboard have less input lag/response time?
frozen anchor
most keyboards will have 1ms response time even with full size
plucky bone
Wooting one is connected to a 6 line multiplexer, so its not that relevant to a wooting keyboard
plucky bone
I am not sure myself I read it here https://blog.wooting.nl/what-influences-keyboard-speed/ maybe they only said you could fit a 60% on 16 connections to reference so.ething, and maybe the only thing that is arfected by going to larger matrixes is the memory of the MCU
But anyway, its not that important since wooti g keyboard does not use it
fair gull
i think that was a general calculation to keep with the checkerboard thing
of the chessboard
plucky bone
Ah, that makes sense
fair gull
but generally the biggest problem is connecting all the wires to the mcu
ivory geyser
What is this? A talk about modding Wooting?! 👀
fair gull
general question i guess
about input lag
but
the question should have been about scan latency
plucky bone
Ah
fair gull
aka how long it takes till the keyboard even knows that a key was pressed
theoretically
with fast enough components
you could reach sub micro second scan latency
but expensive
very much so
ivory geyser
Get a USB into PS2 adapter for maximum speed!
plucky bone
Take my money pls
fair gull
ps2 is prob a good decision since it uses hardware interupts
ivory geyser
Yep
PS2 will wipe the floor with any kind of scanning increase xD
Simply because of how it is made
fair gull
ps2 will interupt any cpu
no matter how many ghz
its like a girlfriend
ull obey
no matter what
plucky bone
The theory is that PS/2 interruption is a faster input connection and USB polling. But in practice this doesn’t have to be true anymore. It’s very hard to find any PS/2 compatible keyboards and computers these days. Even if you make use of a keyboard that has it, it doesn’t guarantee it’s faster than USB polling.
It said that in the post
fair gull
ud obviously build a keyboard that has ridiculous scanning rates
and ps2
plus surprisingly many gaming keyboards still have ps2
for very odd reasons
old marlin
can;t remember seeing one recently
fair gull
plucky bone
Ps/2 wooting keyboard next?
fair gull
but yes the ideal keyboard would prob have some kind of ps2/usb combo shit going on
that would be the true ultimate keyboard
reef patrol
Let - It - Die 😄
reef patrol
neon pawn
What is the accuation point when I put my whooting one into tachyon mode?
fair gull
1.6mm
pale sigil
Oh we are talking about Ps/2?
fair gull
earliest point
pale sigil
Let it die
fair gull
ps2 is nice
plucky bone
I was about to build a custom mechanical keyboard, maybe even print the pcb at my school, but now I am seriously contemplating getting wooting one and maybe swapping the keycaps/modding it a little
fair gull
id do both
make the best keyboard ever
the best parts
have it have usb and ps2
and buy a wooting
plucky bone
I dont like RGB, I kind of even want to turn of the LED's that indicate my pc is on
plucky bone
An tacheon drive?
ivory geyser
@plucky bone Wooting is pretty easy to mod, since there is no contact between the switches an the PCB - it is all just screws.
plucky bone
:o
ivory geyser
No soldering or even the normal version of hotswapping.
The switches have literally no pins.
At all
They just float mid air
It is all lasers!
fair gull
well
plucky bone
Can I make it super silent so I only hear the keycaps THOCC against the leyboard?
reef patrol
This post by hotswap gang.
fair gull
@plucky bone u can even silence that
plucky bone
Niice
ivory geyser
@plucky bone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JacvpiaT_y4
fair gull
by putting rubber into the low point of the stem travel
and putting orings under the caps
both reduce travel distance and range
but can greatly silence it
frozen anchor
if you wait for a wooting HE board it will be much quieter anyways
but you gotta wait awhile
frozen anchor
the switches are made from different material
ivory geyser
Ohhh, right
frozen anchor
the case isnt quieter though
plucky bone
What does HE stabd for?
frozen anchor
hall effect
ivory geyser
Hall Effect
plucky bone
Ahh
fair gull
high explosive
plucky bone
Like hall effect thruster
frozen anchor
its basically the lekker but not exclusive
ivory geyser
It uses MAGNETS!
fair gull
@plucky bone no gmod in here thx
old marlin
like hall effect sensor
plucky bone
I had a project about hall effect ion thrusters AMA
Even the new ion proppelled air plane from MIT
Cool
I really admire people that work in that field shame I could not fi d anything in Norway, so I went for electrical engineering instead
pale sigil
Nerds
plucky bone
Lol
@prisma crag thats cool
Do you have any recommendation on what to do after I finish my EE degree on what to do from there if I want to delve into aerospace?
@frozen anchor do you know when that will be released, should I wait for the HE to release or buy one now and have fun modifyi g it?
frozen anchor
it will probably be early 2021
and idk if you should wait that depends on how much you can spend on kbs
you could potentially get a lekker if you get on the waitlist or get one second hand and you would have it around november
plucky bone
@prisma crag thats sweet, i think I saw some rocket competition on twitch once idk if it was in colorado tough.
@frozen anchor whats the difference between the lekker and the normal? I was thinking of getting the wooting one TKL
And modding it with different keycaps
plucky bone
Ah i see, is it a TKL of the lekker edition?
misty pier
one uses magnets and the other uses lasers
ivory geyser
There wont be any other TKL keyboard model for at least a year.
So if you want TKL and you like Wooting, Wooting one is your best option.
plucky bone
Ah I see
ivory geyser
At least in the coming 12-16 months
reef patrol
Wooting Two - HE and Lekker all have the same full size keyboard style.
ivory geyser
Maybe longer
There is likely to be a HE TKL version eventually.
But we dont know when.
And even if
plucky bone
@prisma crag Donyou think I can apply for a job in aerospace with only an EE degree or do you think I need something else too?
Nice
I got interested into mechanical keyboards a week ago and was prepared to spend 300$ or more because I did not like my full sized one as I was slamming it with my mouse
ivory geyser
I would say Wooting is a good solution for a decent prebuild.
plucky bone
Hmm since wooting one uses laser and HE would use a magnet does that mean the only thing you have to replace for the keyboard to last indefinite is the spring and maybe the keycaps?
frozen anchor
well the spring probably wont need to be replaced for an incredibly long time and if you use pbt doubleshot keycaps they shouldnt need to be replaced anytime soon either
pom or pps keycaps would make that last even longer
reef patrol
Since half of the switch is soldered to the PCB. No.
You cannot simply turn a Wooting 1/2 into a HE board.
Flaretech will stay Flaretech. Gateron HE will stay Gateron HE. No changing that.
ivory geyser
@plucky bone the lifespan of the keeb should theoretically be somewhere between 10-34 years based on how long the PCB will hold.
Since the PCB can eventually mess up or the IR diodes will eventually give out
plucky bone
Pom or pps lasts longer than double/tripleshot ? @frozen anchor
frozen anchor
longer than pbt yes
ivory geyser
Anything double-shot lasts basically forever
frozen anchor
pom and pps is singleshot only though
ivory geyser
DOesnt matter what it is made from
ivory geyser
Well ok, assuming you wont break it
frozen anchor
you wont wear off the letter sure
ivory geyser
Yep
plucky bone
@reef patrol ah, no I did not mean that just that they don't have the actuation point that gets pushed øike on standard mechanical keyboard
@frozen anchor pom and pbs and a paintbrush so you can reapply letters hehe
Or those letters that are on the front of the keycaps
frozen anchor
true but most people who buy those just use the blanks
and also pps is incredibly hard to find anyways
i want some though
ivory geyser
PBT is perfectly fine unless you are a true keycap gourmet lol
plucky bone
Lol
Ok I think I have it
I get the wooting one TKL, the wooting lekker edition and make a custom mechanical keyboard for a laugh
ashen spindle
you can only get a lekker if you are lucky now :p
frozen anchor
and have an empty wallet
yeah if you want a chance at the lekker you gotta go add yourself to the waitlist
plucky bone
Ok, ill sign up now and order the wooting ine at the same time :)
Like who needs a heavy wallet anyway
Oh sweet, I can get the korean version for cheaper :)
ashen spindle
cheaper and +10 to the weeb stat :^)
plucky bone
Hehe
I am actually interested in learning korean, so maybe it will get easier to type
wheat plume
reef patrol
What a strange and wonderful dude that founder 😄
wheat plume
IKR
reef patrol
I vaguely remember Spoony talking about him and the series.
wheat plume
spoony?
reef patrol
Aka. Noah Antwiler.
wheat plume
idk this person
reef patrol
proud nacelle
Gonna jump back to a discussion that was here earlier : 2G is phased out yet most "feature" phones are 2G only. What gives?
shadow minnow
Wait what?
proud nacelle
For example the re-released nokia 5310 that fleimi was talking about. It's a 2G only.
proud nacelle
I still don't get why they killed off 2G to begin with.
lavish falcon
it's all about maintenance of multiple type of network using different type of antenna. When there's no profit keeping the whole network, why even bother? That and it helped sell even more 3G / 4G / LTE phones
zenith sonnet
2G isn't really usable either, for anything more than text messages 🤷
halcyon moss
2g is used a lot for IOT stuff
reef patrol
Mhmm. Widely used to send SMS messages for status changes in smart homes, alarms and such.
halcyon moss
"smart" power meters and the likes too
shadow minnow
Best gaming keyboard for under 100$?
reef patrol
A used Wooting One? Huehuehue
chrome estuary
I got a Razer Ornata V2 and it's pretty nice IMO
Plus I got a 20$ steam gift card with it for free so shrug
wheat plume
I got woken up at half 8 by the doorbell being spammed
I went to look outside and saw a guy there waiting at the door and petting our dog so I go open the door and he's from some new broadband company for rural Ireland
Asking if this house has or ever had a landline phone so we could be able to sign up for their "fiber optic internet" later on
Apparently it's also a government funded company hmmmm
Why would you need landline phones for fiber? It would require a new line right?
wheat plume
True...
old marlin
Could be that in your region the put hollow tubes at the time they installed landline phones
So they could just install fiber by blowing it through the tube
crimson wigeon
That too
wheat plume
Yeah that's close to what he says
He says it'll still work if we had a landline before also
I don't think this house had though
old marlin
Rip
halcyon moss
maybe its a requirement in the contract that only houses previously also serviced can be upgraded
wheat plume
Maybe
ashen spindle
would make sense, government funded usually means it has some retarded restrictions/rules
old marlin
lol
we got a fiber upgrade at work
city funded
no attachments added
we just have the ability to get more than 16k now
halcyon moss
kbyte?
old marlin
kb/s
halcyon moss
oof
timid chasm
Tell me what VR headset I should consider? Not seeing much of a reason to consider something like a Rift, Vive, or Index with those crazy prices. What do they do that something like the Odyssey+ doesn't that's worth that price hike?
ashen spindle
imo there are only 3 to consider, Index if you want the best package and the probably best controllers, Pimax5k+ or up if you can find it in stock and have enough gpu power, or a Oculus, either rift s/go
reasons: better tracking and oculus also has some nice stuff on the oculus store like Robo Recall
and if any game does something more special that might need certain features, nobody is going to add that for a unkown vr hmd
timid chasm
No way I could justify spending 1k on a VR headset though. Maybe the rift s
I like the pimax's stats but that gamery look
ashen spindle
I dont know the prices for the pimax, as they are usually out of stock and imported, but they have the biggest FoV which is why they are great despite me generally not liking 3rd-part type stuff
I mean, you actually dont see it at all while you use it
timid chasm
most are 700 usd+ I think but one is 450
yeah but I have to see it eventually and its hideous
oh baby
they had an addon though for hand tracking?
ashen spindle
look, I already dont understand people who chose a cpu cooler based on looks, I have 0 understanding for chosing a vr headset based on look and not specs
oculus enabled earlier this year ye, dont really know who else has it
timid chasm
If it just works with games that might have me, haha
if it's game specific and relies on support then meh
timid chasm
I didn't think that far ahead I just got antsy inside
ashen spindle
the oculus quest is also nice if you want something that can work without a pc and still use your pc games with a cable
prob the best "entry" option imo
wheat plume
https://youtu.be/EtuDS0ntaJY ExcEPT in NeBRaSKA
wheat plume
idk....
timid chasm
oh
vagrant inlet
@timid chasm I myself own the vive and the rift S and go... Rift S is the best one I used so far, no tracking equipment needed, comfortable and the screen's just crisp and soothing. The vive's screen has godrays i could see from the northpole and the screendoor effect (its like seeing through a screendoor) is unbearable. I can count the pixels on the vive.
The go is the same as the rift, just a tad more uncomfortable and the cable's flimsy (and expensive) if u want to connect it to your pc
60-80$ for a usb c cable
ashen spindle
you dont need the official cable, just make sure it meets spec and you get it cheaper
ashen spindle
Twitter
EOL for 20 series, so I assume we get ampere announcement in 2-3 weeks
if we end up getting ampere before big navi that'll hurt amd...
ashen spindle
???? what
wheat plume
ooohhhhh
reef patrol
nVidia tends to do drivers years after cards go End of Life.
ashen spindle
same with amd
reef patrol
Pretty sure 800 and 900 series are still receiving stuff.
ashen spindle
you mean 700 :p
wheat plume
I think my card is stuck with 440 drivers now
I checked the website
I have 440.100 and cant update to newer
ashen spindle
yes think 500 series is the last
I just meant 700 because 800 doesnt really exist :p
reef patrol
OF course they do.
wheat plume
i have the 860M
ashen spindle
yes mobile only
reef patrol
They still exist 😛
ashen spindle
pfft laptops are just a fake pc sold by the government to control us
reef patrol
crimson wigeon
ashen spindle
800 series is just a weird abomination, 3 uArchs and numbers used for mobile only
crimson wigeon
Indiegogo, so yeah probably is
What if they're somehow shipped with a critical bug, like calls not working
it's 2020 you delegate that to the users
urban lynx
i mean, i've read it days or weeks ago that the next gen nvidia cars are most likely being announced in early august, since a lot of the first founders editions are likely to be shipped late august / early september, with the rest following september / october
ashen spindle
yes, gamescom was suspected to be where they announce it like 2 years ago, but uh, ya know, that aint happening now
zenith sonnet
https://i.redd.it/mn6eprrgykc51.jpg
Much meme, much truth
plush summit
not with my experience
ashen spindle
what
zenith sonnet
What?
proud nacelle
@digital cliff updates should only exist for fixing bugs. features on a feature phone make no sense.
urban lynx
my more recent experience with amd and nvidia drivers is, that i notice the nvidia software more, partly not knowing why it seems like it's bloating my computer with a ton of "features"
ashen spindle
geforce experience is not part of the driver
or just not install it from the start
ashen spindle
yeah ok that part is a bit excessive for normal usage
proud nacelle
Not to mention do you actually need the drivers?
urban lynx
it kinda installed itself from the beginning
proud nacelle
If not just let Windows install the default drivers
wheat plume
the spacing between the menu bar items is broken ;-;
proud nacelle
As in does he need the drivers for playing games or not?
urban lynx
but tbh, once I'm away from the 750 i might want to try out this shadowplay
oh intelliJ 
wheat plume
this happens in all apps tho
ashen spindle
you know that drivers are not just optimizing stuff for certain games but also in general, and add stuff like integer scaling etc.
wheat plume
no spacing between the items ;-;
ashen spindle
or fix security issues etc.
proud nacelle
Quintosh, the default drivers work just fine for regular web browsing.
I've used them before.
ashen spindle
if someone just does webbrowing they probably never even touch the drivers
urban lynx
i think for only doing web browsing one can also use onboard graphics 🤔
proud nacelle
Yes but then again they also have default drivers.
Not to mention not all processors have onboard graphics.
ashen spindle
almost every laptop has though
ashen spindle
??????
yes your argument is valid if someone just uses it for webbrowing but it makes no sense here
proud nacelle
Ok well
He can use DDU to clean the drivers up
And use NVCleanstall to not install all the garbage that comes with the nvidia drivers.
ashen spindle
yes im certain the 5 kilobyte from extra stuff in the drivers is what was described as "bloat" and not the stuff in geforce experience
proud nacelle
I mean it is bloat.
The NVContainer is not needed.
At all.
Not to mention it has telemetry.
ashen spindle
ok but you are just talking points nobody mentioned
proud nacelle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
reef patrol
No reason for iGPU if you have a GPU 😄
proud nacelle
Plenty of reasons for iGPU even if you have a GPU
You can use your iGPU and pass your GPU.
People do it all the time.
Not to mention iGPU's are more efficient.
So no point in letting the big GPU do tiny tasks.
reef patrol
I'm talking laptops.
Plenty of arguments there to choose a non iGPU CPU for a gaming laptop.
Yes - Even on the desktop environment.
ashen spindle
ehhh, often the top cpus also include an igpu
proud nacelle
I mean sure if you don't care about battery life
reef patrol
AMD
proud nacelle
In which case you might as well bring a sffpc.
reef patrol
You're acting as though a dedicated GPU sucks power out of the wall socket on the desktop. xD
ashen spindle
I mean for a gaming laptop your amd choices also have an igpu
reef patrol
Yes - Costing you CPU performance.
proud nacelle
Mansen, ever heard of AMD?
reef patrol
No are they a Tibetan tech giant?
ashen spindle
then zen2 laptop cpus are all APUs?...
urban lynx
if not mistaken i could have used my old amd cpu with the integrated graphics as its own monitor output and my normal gpu for another, neither interfering or taking ressources away for the other
proud nacelle
You are correct
reef patrol
The iGPU still eats system RAM.
ashen spindle
third, technically possible, and practically worth it isn't always the same
ashen spindle
well, look at the responses and you find the hardcore linux users tino :p
proud nacelle
unless you're running 1gb sticks
and i'm not even sure if those exist
that's irrelevant
And if you dislike them so much, disable them in the BIOS.
ashen spindle
idk, caring about 5W difference and the difference in ram it makes seems equally irrelevant to me
proud nacelle
Blame the BIOS and the drivers. Oh and the kernel too.
ashen spindle
(or just blame mage)
fair gull
sorry mr warlock
proud nacelle
ashen spindle
an axe? lul mage? more like barbarian I guess
proud nacelle
I hate all of you equally
ashen spindle
proud nacelle
Tbf the only reason I have this name is because of @pale sigil
pale sigil
why
fair gull
proud nacelle
See at least fleimi is nice. Unlike some of ya.
ashen spindle
damn tino, how did you trick him into thinking that
fair gull
altho it would be kinda funny playing an mmo rpg with mage if hes actually a mage
"whos pulling the adds away? le mage will"
proud nacelle
eh normally play wizard or mage
one those two
but not the reason i picked this name
eitherway mmo rpg ain't my thing
fair gull
ok mr barbarical magical wizardlock
proud nacelle
You know sometimes I wonder how you're still alive.
ashen spindle
How did we even get here from me saying new cards prob announced in like 3 weeks 
ashen spindle
Ah there were some blocked messages, didn’t notice that on the phone from the side
ashen spindle
Idc, I just wish discord would have a feature where I just don’t see anything instead of „x blocked messages“ like just don’t show me anything
proud nacelle
Well
There are options to block those popups
But that involves ublock or a userscript or a css styling
ashen spindle
Yeah better discord or so but I’m lazy and don’t have any of that
pale sigil
you know damn well why