DLSS looks good in some places, but shows artifacts in others
#πβtech
reef patrol
sacred shoal
laughs in parallel port
reef patrol
Does it matter? They're not real π
old marlin
well
uses 2 pins for it
wait nvm
that was 8 pin
wait what
afaik that is 75
and not 150
ashen spindle
its 75 spec but it can deliver more, just like the pcie connectors
ashen spindle
hence the whole deal with people mad when amd went way overboard
ashen spindle
its from 2005 tbf
reef patrol
Doubt it could have changed DOWNwards π
All of the articles I can find agree with 75W on PCI-E 3.0 with "up to" 300 on PCI-E 4.0 ports.
ashen spindle
not the technical limit no, but the spec to what you should draw/is recommended
reef patrol
Never trust the one site that disagrees with everyone else π
ashen spindle
I dont trust techpowerup anyway lmao
frozen anchor
probably just a mistake doubt that would be intentional
vagrant marsh
well, i desided to buy a new sound card after all. i tried to play on the onboard sound but...
how can you guys play games with such flat low quality sound :p
frozen anchor
some boards are better than others
vagrant marsh
arnt all realtek chips the same?
pale sigil
Basically
vagrant marsh
so they are all mediocre then
meh. im just gonna buy a new soundcard and hope that the previous one was busted and not the motherboard.
i can return it if it has problems
frozen anchor
yeah i just use an external dac/amp right now onboard sound isnt great
vagrant marsh
yea, but most external dac's dont support multiple pins. i need that 5.1 π
wtf
got a mail i just bought a free game
frozen anchor
vagrant marsh
password changing time
reef patrol
vagrant marsh
sometimes my mail is acting weird and show like, a 3 months old mail but notify me like it just arrived, but this one really arrived just now
ever since that twitter hack im being wary as fuck
zenith sonnet
The 12 pin supposedly has 6x +12V
vagrant marsh
you know, in a sense its not a bad choice. tho it was already fairly standardized by having 6+2 pins, now you just have 1 connector, instead of having to choose between 1 6+2 or 2 6+2
cause we gotta have to accept the truth, these things are gonna be eating more an more power
ashen spindle
not really, if there was no drawback to more power besides costing more, we already would have had that in the past
silicon degradation, heat dissipation issues etc.
vagrant marsh
yea, but those are also improving
ashen spindle
ehhh, there are physical limitation as to how they can improve as long as we stay on silicon
reef patrol
Are we still discussing the hoax? 
ashen spindle
it's not certain that its a hoax or not
reef patrol
Yes. Yes it is
reef patrol
You're... Kidding?
ashen spindle
no?
ivory geyser
What hoax?
reef patrol
The Chinese source everyone used literally had "also I made all of this up." In the article. 
It's a classic source bait example.
ashen spindle
yes I linked that post, that could also just mean they made the pictures and not that everything in it is fake
its not like google translate is very accurate with chinese translation
reef patrol
Ask someone who reads mandarin, and you'll reconsider.
ivory geyser
I have no idea what are you talking about
ashen spindle
can you read it?
reef patrol
I know people who can who have explained it.
ivory geyser
Which bloody article?! 
reef patrol
π
ashen spindle
it sounded like igor heard about it months back already though and not just from that apaprenlt fake post?
reef patrol
All he's pointing out is that we're overdue for a new standard.
He's not wrong...but usually there's a LOT of heads up on this.
3000 series don't have it. So we're a ways off.
ashen spindle
he said he heard about it in may already?
vagrant marsh
i dunno, these guys were talking about it
wouldnt be long before linus and such start doing it
and then the hype gets real
fair gull
plus 2x8 is 16
ashen spindle
vagrant marsh
cant pcie 4 power the low end cards?
reef patrol
Only if you have a motherboard with that.
It's much better marketwise to use connectors than rely on consumers to change motherboards.
vagrant marsh
the new intel motherboards can do pcie4, but the cpu doesnt support it yet, which makes people believe that the next intel cpu's have pcie4
i mean, once the tech is standardized, nvidia and the likes can bring out graphics cards that solely require the pcie for power
ashen spindle
they are trying to, its not confirmed yet, we dont know if intel managed it or not
also does pcie4 even increase the power you can get from it?
vagrant marsh
its just what i heard, that pcie4 would provide enough power for graphics cards
not sure if its actually possible
reef patrol
the new intel motherboards can do pcie4
@vagrant marsh
That's great and all - People are still using 4th Intel PCs for gaming.
You need to aim for the lowest common denominator, not the current "trend".
shadow minnow
It would not
I mean, there is no mobo with enough power to do so
If they like added 8 pin GPU connectors to mobo, it would be possible, but otherwise...
reef patrol
giggles in 8+8 EPS
ashen spindle
uh, no not really
uses less than the 3900x, extra 8 pins are usually for XOC or the pcie slots
reef patrol
My Z390 does.
Not that I should technically need it for a 9900K. Just means smoother power.
fair gull
giggles in server without psu
shadow minnow
I mean, if it is solid pin, you could still use it when LN2 OCing but I doubt many people will do that 
empty wren
So I get people may not be a fan of the cat ears headphone same store as keyboard set,
reef patrol
Anyone know what wavelength of UV is harmful? I've heard that it can cause blindness over time. Got some LEDs that are in the 390-400mm area.
shadow minnow
Hope starlink will not cost more than 30β¬
timid chasm
I thought it was gonna end up being like 80 usd?
shadow minnow
Some people call 80β¬ not expensive, but in my country, there is no internet over 25$, for 25$ u get 1000/50
timid chasm
Oh, 80 is just a guess
shadow minnow
I hope they will adjust it to countries
shadow minnow
Otherwise they would not have much βsalesβ in EU
timid chasm
Hopefully I can get at least 1 address in the beta this summer
shadow minnow
I also hope I can get beta π
timid chasm
Their main draw, imo, will be people who have either no internet option or shit options
shadow minnow
I am in region where I have 20/5 limited to 500gb, for 20$ and it is working half the time.
There is no better option
reef patrol
timid chasm
Yeah that sucks. Our speeds are dogshit
When I get security camera footage uploaded to my PC via ftp its at like 25 kbps
shadow minnow
So my friends also want to get starlink when it comes out, but if it will cost 80β¬ imo no one will buy it. I mean, if price would be 20β¬ instead of 80β¬ here, they will probably get 4-10 times more customers.
Compared to if it costs 80β¬
timid chasm
I don't see why they wouldn't offer different tiers at least rather than limit themselves 1 all or none
I know their satellites are much closer but I'll be amazed if they can actually manage 30ms latency
shadow minnow
I mean, I would be happy even for stable 50ms
timid chasm
I thought I read that they had to provide proof of 30ish for government funding but I'm not 100% on that
timid chasm
right but satellite internet at 30 ms latency seems super iffy
but more power to them if they can manage it
shadow minnow
I live in village, where there also is optical cable in some parts (not mine) but it has just 300gb data cap and is 25/10, for same price as you can get unlimited 1000/50 in nearby city
timid chasm
It's a bit insane how shitty internet options are for many parts of the world
crimson wigeon
Well yeah the cost of laying down the cables is immense and not really worth it... but watch if Starlink delivers, the ISPs are gonna scramble to improve infra everywhere
timid chasm
Either way, give me decent latency and decent speed and I'll pay the 80 because right now my only option when we move home will be like 5/2 for ~40/month
shadow minnow
I do not even need decend speed or latency (although it would be good). 50ms 20/8 would be enough for me if it is stable, and works.
shadow minnow
I just can not imagine downloading windows, all the games and software when I will be getting pc (this winter / at the start of next year, depends on rocket lake s). That will take eternity.
shadow minnow
Just few hours here. Internet can go up to 10gb per hour. But now, when some games are 100gb...
timid chasm
I think Modern Warfare is up to like 220Gb now haha
shadow minnow
22 hours
I am planning to buy 2 960 go SSDs and imo I will use at least one at start, so few days of downloading ...
timid chasm
~104 hours for the family to download that π
shadow minnow
Problem will be 500gb data cap, than it will slow down to 4mb/s
timid chasm
Yeah that's stupid on a slower connection
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol UV-A is generally harmless, UV-B is mostly harmless, and UV-C (which gets heavily filtered by the atmosphere) is dangerous
390-400nm is the upper end of the UV spectrum and not an issue at all. Also, if in doubt, use glass to block UV light
zenith sonnet
400-410nm will be visible as purple light
reef patrol
They're definitely visible.
reef patrol
So uh... where does that leave me π
halcyon moss
dead
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol Don't worry about it, it's as harmless as any visible light
reef patrol
short cove
Is NH-D15 too large for an m.ATX board?
The double fan looks more effective
Or is it entirely overkill for a 3600?
reef patrol
I've done it on an mITX board.
Your real concern is "can it fit in the case" π
It tends to hit the side panel on a lot of cases.
short cove
I'm planning to get a thermaltake S100
reef patrol
As for overkill... It'll let you run those fans pretty low with no noise or get you a nice OC.
short cove
Because the price is not exactly a lot more expensive I thought I might as well ask
reef patrol
The old metal and coffee model is pretty cheap. The black version is a bit pricier. Its a solid cooler though. I have two π
short cove
Hmm
ashen spindle
a d12 or smth smaller is more than enough for a 3600
halcyon moss
stock cooler is pretty quiet
reef patrol
If you don't plan for either, you can grab the NH-U12A.
It'll fit most cases and is their newest tech.
short cove
The U12A is quite expensive
reef patrol
Oh?
short cove
Actually more expensive than D15
reef patrol
Oh yeah. Never looked at price π
old marlin
NH-D15 overlaps your only pcie slot on mITX?
reef patrol
No.
short cove
My room regularly reaches 30 degrees centigrade would it be a good idea to get that extra cooling capacity then?
old marlin
I wonder what the new one early next year will be like
reef patrol
Apply some logic, Yama.
mITX has the PCI-E in the same spots as any other motherboard π
reef patrol
Nope.
old marlin
well they weren't ten years ago
reef patrol
old marlin
I wonder what coolers we will se as redux
Q1 2021 seems to be very exiting for noctua though
more releases than they usually have in a whole year
shadow minnow
I live in small village, which does not have street names, so I can not select it as address for starlink, what to do? π¦
old marlin
ehhhh
I know that not all have one
but those that don;t usually have blocks etc
for example
reef patrol
Those places deserve to be hit with a large mallet π
short cove
Wait I looked up the cooler
And they say there's a dedicated version of U12S for AM4?
Or that the chromax.black version comes with AM4 mounting hardware?
shadow minnow
Every road has a name.
@reef patrol not every π
old marlin
almost every noctua cooler is AM4 compatible
reef patrol
If it doesn't then there's usually a logical way around it for postal.
old marlin
if it does not
old marlin
but uses their mounting kit you can apply for a free AM4 kit
reef patrol
Both of my 15's needed the AM4 kit.
shadow minnow
It is like small side road that is new and does not have name.
shadow minnow
But there is not any road with name in my village
short cove
At least on their site, the chromax.black version is specifically stated to be compatible with AM4
reef patrol
Yeah that's just a guarantee that the AM4 brackets are included.
short cove
old marlin
only exception is the
NH-L9i
reef patrol
AM3 uses a different physical bracket.
pale sigil
My 15 one came with amd4
old marlin
old stock doesn't always have them
short cove
I'll be sure to specifically look for chromax.black
pale sigil
But ye you can ask for them to mail one
old marlin
if the cooler uses the mounting system, so any cooler besides the
NH-L9i and
NH-L9a-AM4 you can apply to get a bracket for whatever new socket releases
reef patrol
old marlin
nice
short cove
What are you referring to
zenith sonnet
My build will be outdated by the time I get fans for it
short cove
No use trying to keep catching
zenith sonnet
short cove
Meh since I can upgrade parts seperately I'm not stuck with the same parts forever
shadow minnow
There is no name π
short cove
You can call it the hook
frozen anchor
give them your coordinates
old marlin
wtf is listed on your id?
shadow minnow
I can not. I must choose from options.
frozen anchor
i would contact support if you can and see if theres any way to do it
shadow minnow
There is no link to support (or I did not find it)
short cove
Took me a but of time but I finally got my build list down
shadow minnow
Why is there no way to enter my address π¦
old marlin
soundcards in 2020 
what kinda receiver are we talking about
also if you want a cheap dac get the apple usb dongle
not even joking
for what though
crimson wigeon
I dunno my old 2011 motherboard has many 3.5mm for surround fun, never tried it tho
old marlin
toslink does it btw
yea
8
ah wait nvm
german wikipedia fooled me
only mention of channels was that ADAT does 8 with the same connector
vagrant marsh
cause i got 5.1 and i aint gonna use hte sipidif
not sure how to explain it. it makes the sound sound more...alive?
more full?
crimson wigeon
Ah yes crank it up to 32 bit 96 kHz for max placebo
vagrant marsh
hmm?
frozen anchor
48khz is the max you can hear or something like that i think
crimson wigeon
At that point why not go all in with 192 kHz
vagrant marsh
it cant go higher than 96 π€€
crimson wigeon
Lame trash throw it in the bin
misty pier
some real marketing right there
vagrant marsh
well, i like it. this is hte sound im used to π 5.1 actually sounds like 5.1. it got the ability to mute background sound when theres talking, and it just sounds way better than the onboard sound.
i just cant return to onboard, man.
the music sounds dirt ass cheap
and putting on a headset on also aint really an option. my ears start to hurt after a while if i do that
so having a good 5.1 speakerset with a good sound card finally takes the sound to a level of quality i find acceptable
if i google 6 channel receiver i get airplane parts lol
sacred shoal
@frozen anchor the human ear can't really hear over 20kHz but 48kHz is just above the nyquist limit for any reproduction of it
vagrant marsh
so how would that work.
i plug in my speakers here yea?
but how would i connect it with my pc. through hdmi?
sacred shoal
theoretically the difference between 48 and 96 might be audible but I have above average hearing and can't tell the difference between a 18kHz pseudosine wave and a 18kHz triangle wave outside of the artifacting from my shitty chinese earbuds
laughs in the fact that DOOM 2016 won't even start properly if your audio driver bitrate is set too high
zenith sonnet
vagrant marsh
mechwarrior 5 has the same problem. after a while sound becomes unstable and unleashes hell and damn nation until it poops out 5 seconds later
using a dubstep song to alter the bass options XD
also, another thing that crystalizer does. it solves the sound distortion you get when playing youtube vids in a higher speed
this song for instance is played at a lower speed than the original song. to have the original speed, you would have to put it at around 1.25x speed. but then the sound of the piano becomes distorted
with crystalizer maxed out, you dont hear it
fair gull
i dont hear any distortion at higher playback speed of that particular song
vagrant marsh
really? without crystalizer i clearly hear the sound of the piano distorted
well, different people hear differently i suppose
fair gull
the only thing id imagine u mean is the weirdly timed pauses
since theres no sustain but instant note cutoff
and increasing the speed makes the pauses weird
fair gull
^
fair gull
i never really got good hifi sound from it
old marlin
yea you can't
fair gull
i mean i can get the important shit from vynils
old marlin
mmh
vagrant marsh
i got a deezer subscription, but sometimes i resort to less than legal apps to listen to youtube songs that are played on an overlay screen
fair gull
like my beloved sabaton albums
old marlin
ehhhh
vagrant marsh
i only use deezers but the quality they got is good, i think
old marlin
it is
old marlin
imo not a lot of sense to go much further
old marlin
and deezer has a lot of artists as well
nova carbon
Cool ill check it out thx
old marlin
you can use deezloader with high quality settings for free 
vagrant marsh
never heard of htat
fair gull
vagrant marsh
which streaming service sounds the best? "plays all sounds through youtube"
fair gull
spectrals arent really necessary imo
fair gull
cause most of the quality is lost in compression
so even comparing waveforms can give u a hint with a 4x4
vagrant marsh
i think youtube quality is good enough tho.
when i listen to a song like this, i hear good quality
vagrant marsh
yea, but thats why i got a sound card with good software
old marlin
left channel is louder than right channel
nova carbon
44.1 flac is probably good enough for me
old marlin
also dynamic range of youtube is absolute shit
fair gull
theres no point in anything beyong 44.1
old marlin
which is very clear in that song
nova carbon
Ya i don't even think i can hear above 18khz anymore
vagrant marsh
yea, and thats the problem with the onboard sound. i heard all the defects
nova carbon
Let alone equipment limitations
vagrant marsh
but with my sound card, they are much less noticable
old marlin
could be
vagrant marsh
for 120 euro, it better aint shit
fair gull
thats pretty cheap tbh
old marlin
lol
nova carbon
The world of audiophiles 
old marlin
meanwhile apple dongle
fair gull
i mean
old marlin
why though
old marlin
quality improvement is minimal
fair gull
and some insane SNR
old marlin
realistically
fair gull
its studio grade
old marlin
anything above 24bit can get flaky
nova carbon
I just buy schiit stack
old marlin
shiitstack is a waste of money tbh
fair gull
i dont go above 48khz anyway
old marlin
high end dacs make little reason atm
nova carbon
O i get low end, i haven't tried anything over 100
The modi was really good compared to other dacs in its price range tho imo
I thought whole point of going external stuff is to reduce noise from other components
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/Dachsjaeger/status/1284059831738015744 the deathstranding implementation of 2.0 makes me hope the rumours of 3.0 coming with ampere are at least to some degree true, that would be sick
vagrant marsh
I dunno. Pcie soundcards always makes more sense to me. Its directly connected with the mb. How can you have a better connection than that?
old marlin
less interference
since you don't put it in a box where 400W of electricity are turned into heat
vagrant marsh
They claim its shielded :p
nova carbon
Shielding attenuates it doesn't eliminate
The general idea i think is to not have the analogue signal near all the other things that can cause interference, it would just be the digital signal which basically doesn't get detrimentally affected near all that stuff
Ive wanted to change to an optical out but id have to upgrade my dac for that
misty pier
I wished my motherboard came with optical support but it's itx
wheat plume
optical out is the only audio output on my computer apart from usb
misty pier
if I overpaid and waited for the x570 dtx board to come out then maybe but
onboard audio be yucky
old marlin
fair gull
its def not mainstream
old marlin
weird shit though
fair gull
ya
old marlin
some have it integrated in the 3.5mm jack
misty pier
huh
vagrant marsh
Huh
fair gull
huh
nova carbon
Yuh
wheat plume
is my PC
misty pier
i think my mbp has support for that
misty pier
when I ran windows on it the 3.5 port glowed red or something
fair gull
more like mini dildo
old marlin
also keyed directionality on the regular one
reef patrol
π
old marlin
completely useless
misty pier
kind of crazy how much weird tech is in this old mbp though
i have those old firewire and old thunderbolt ports
fair gull
@wheat plume bruh what weird pc u got that is has no 3.5mm jack
wheat plume
the really tiny one
misty pier
i think so
fair gull
the really tiny one?
fair gull
so laptop mobo
wheat plume
yeah basically
fair gull
in a pc case
misty pier
i wish this lappy is upgradable aside from the ram
fair gull
laptop and upgradeable are 2 words that cant exist together
old marlin
lol
wheat plume
CAUSE THE SECOND HDMI PORT IS INPUT -.-
wheat plume
then I need a GPU
wheat plume
oh that image is the newer model of the alpha
fair gull
with an hdmi splitter
wheat plume
it does have port 2
fair gull
just not 2 seperate pictures
wheat plume
no mine
fair gull
wheat plume
just not 2 seperate pictures
@fair gull no point then
fair gull
why its still dualscreen
misty pier
old old
wheat plume
the only adapters you find here are scart converters
misty pier
i wonder if i can still use them for things nowadays
wheat plume
what port is thaT?
misty pier
firewire 800 and old thunderbolt
wheat plume
my gosh
misty pier
i have no idea what the firewire port is used for
frozen anchor
well its not used for anything anymore
apparently its just for data transfer
so pretty close to just a usb port
old marlin
firewire is NOT usb
much closer to thunderbolt
but even more versatile
can even be used for networking
nova carbon
Whats the bandwidth tho
old marlin
800 mbit/s on that one
400 on firewire 400
1600 and 3200 were in planning
never entered the broad market though
nova carbon
I think its been around 10yrs since ive had a firewire port on a motherboard
misty pier
interesting
I never really used thunderbolt either
I only know about the new standard that uses usb-c
old marlin
ye
well firewire was easy af to use
if you can plug things together they work
you also can daisychain
pale sigil
I donβt
nova carbon
Yeah the ones in my mind are lightning and thunderbolt atm
Firewire also developed by them
sacred shoal
do they even really exist after USB 3 came out
proud nacelle
Lightning is better than usb c hands down
pale sigil
But never again since
proud nacelle
Even the iPod connector was better
ashen spindle
random rant, google images is the worst when it comes to transparent images
nova carbon
Lightning is a robust af connector imo, the only issue is the incable hardware required
old marlin
@nova carbon they did not develop thunderbolt
ashen spindle
I select transparent bc I need transparency, not images with a checkerboard in the background
old marlin
you can thank intel for that
nova carbon
It was joint i thought
proud nacelle
@ashen spindle try using a different search engine
nova carbon
Between apple and intel
old marlin
thunderbolt also never used their own connector
ashen spindle
no bc same results
proud nacelle
Can't you just use the image you want and then magic wand the rest of the blocks out?
Also the hardware in the cable is BS. It's just a way for apple to make more money out of it. and discord is down
nova carbon
Its not ideal for sure, it has to do with the reversibility and only digital signal going out that port right?
proud nacelle
whatever be the case usb c sucks. even micro usb was better than that
whatever be the case usb c sucks. even micro usb was better than that
aaaaaaaaaaaa
nova carbon
Im okay with usb c i just still like lightning better cause of how robust it feels, micro is way less durable i thought and non reversibility is aids
proud nacelle
lightning was always the superior connector imo. the connector itself never failed me. the wiring/shielding/pvc coating was always shit though.
i'd still take micro usb over usb-c though
nova carbon
I think lightning is probably better for ingress protection, but not sure
proud nacelle
also for non reversible, these exist
fairly cheap too
also cloudflare or something is apparently down
no surprise there
nova carbon
Ya but they are 3rd party things generally right
I want my phone to just have it default
proud nacelle
yeah. 3rd party.
then again wireless charging is also a great solution to not ripping out your wire from your charger. still, wireless charging is slow and less efficient
shadow minnow
It is not that slow
proud nacelle
the problem with magnetic charging afaik is that if you only have two poles, you have a 50/50 chance of having the positive on the negative and the negative on the positive. the phone would have to work that out
if you aren't using quick charge, it's horribly slow
shadow minnow
Why would not you use quick charge?
proud nacelle
no plug for it
they gave me an euro plug
also scratch what i said about magnetic charging
apparently they don't do it that way anymore
now they just use barrel connectors
shadow minnow
I would not have problem with euro plug
proud nacelle
also, if it's not broke, don't fix it could be why it ain't adapted. or cost.
shadow minnow
I mean, I was searching for mobo with QC capability and there are not too many out there.
proud nacelle
there are qc capable pci cards afaik
shadow minnow
Yes, but there are also mobos
Which is easier, especially if you want port inside case
I was thinking about moding fractal design s2 and adding wireless charger to part of it, but I would need QC usb for that π
I know that aorus master mobos usually have it
proud nacelle
π€ maybe not
grab yourself a qc enabled car adapter and use your psu rails to power it
very hacky but it might work
hell infact i'm pretty sure i recall seeing an adapter for that sort of thing
shadow minnow
These are too bulky, I would not have place to hide it.
proud nacelle
last thing i can think of is diassembling the charger and just soldering the connectors directly
shadow minnow
And they do not look too good. I mean, if I wanted I would probably be able to make some basic custom pcb for that, but I quite like aorus master mobos, and I am probably going to buy one so I will not need it.
proud nacelle
aight
shadow minnow
What is your opinion on AIO vs custom loop? I heard that custom loop needs a lot more maintenance than AIOs (which can apparently be just left in system for few years), but not sure if it is true.
proud nacelle
I ain't a watercooling guy, but, I don't see why a custom loop wouldn't last as long as an AIO. As long as everything is done correctly, it shouldn't matter. Β―_(γ)_/Β―
If you want to be on the safe side, AIOs are probably your best bet though
shadow minnow
I mean, one of possible reasons is some chemical reaction with liquid and sunshine, or light.
reef patrol
I mean... an AIO either works or it doesn't.
So... a loop will have infinitely more maintenance by definition π
proud nacelle
He has a point
If the AIO busts, you either buy a new one or warranty it
If a custom loop breaks, you can try to fix it.
reef patrol
As for longevity. I drain and refill my loop maybe once a year. So that's 5-6 hours of downtime give or take, since I want to rinse stuff out as well, maybe change a part.
If an AIO dies, you replace the entire thing. In a loop you replace the component. But everything is much more expensive.
reef patrol
You do loops if you like the looks or need that heavy overclocking / no noise potential π
old marlin
Tbh
Aio is kinda unnecessary
For almost anyone
Big air cooler is quieter, does the same job in most cases and costs less
proud nacelle
And doesn't have the risk of killing your components
Unless the heatpipe blows up, in which case, what the fuck.
old marlin
Not really possible
shadow minnow
I mean, 6 years warranty on AIO is enough
old marlin
Yea maybe with significant qc problems
nova carbon
I mean if u want to water cool ur gpu u gotta go custom, the pumps are wayyyyy better on custom
shadow minnow
@reef patrol do you have to clean water blocks when refilling loop of not?
nova carbon
Nd u can make custom look sexier
reef patrol
Depends on whether or not there's any build up.
proud nacelle
you shouldn't have to unless it's gunked up?
i mean you could rinse it to prevent the other coolant from messing up the other one if you are changing brands or something
that is if you're that paranoid
shadow minnow
But these new EKWB flow indicators look good
I was looking for good looking flow indicator, but did not find any while ago. But now, EKWB released these and they look really good.
But are bit overpriced
proud nacelle
sidenote: keep isopropyl alcohol away from acrylic/plexiglass/etc
nova carbon
I mean water cooling in general is pretty overpriced imo
But u gotta pay for sexiness
If u go aio route make sure you don't get enermax they are well known to gunk up within like a year and a half
proud nacelle
I mean he found a AIO with 6 years warranty
So I don't think the manufacturer will matter
nova carbon
Unlucky mine only has 5 yr
Only have it cause i think it looks better than a noctua :)
nova carbon
Nzxt z73 :)
proud nacelle
I mean if you go shopping on ali or ebay or whatever garbo, you can probably find parts for a custom loop with about the same price as an AIO
nova carbon
$100 for an oled screen
On the cpu block
I was looking and at best i was looking at near $300 for a basic custom loop
Whereas aio u can get like ~120
proud nacelle
shadow minnow
You can get best performing 360 AIO for 100β¬
nova carbon
I think arctic cooler makes some of the best price performance ones
I needed the rgb tho so i spent a bit more :)
shadow minnow
I mean, I would not mine spending bit more for better look
But when you can get best performance for best price, even I want good looking cooler so much, I will probably go with arctic freezer aio.
nova carbon
Its really hard to find in stock rn
shadow minnow
If there was same performing AIO that looks better, I would not mind spending 200β¬
Its really hard to find in stock rn
@nova carbon not sure where do you live, in stock in most of the shops in my country.
nova carbon
O its like impossible to find in the us
nova carbon
I wouldn't put too much weight into the vrm cooling on the arctic freezer esp if ur getting an aorus master ;)
shadow minnow
I mean, I do not mind that vrm cooling, but it also performs best with CPU temps
There is even noticeable difference
nova carbon
Yeah its a good cooler for sure and the price is π
shadow minnow
I just want good looking cooler with same performance
nova carbon
I just saying aorus master vrm is insane along with some of the most serious vrm heatsink designs by any mobo brand sans those uniblock liquid cooler ones
nova carbon
Yeah unless ur doing LN2 it wouldn't break a sweat
shadow minnow
If you were doing LN2, it would also affect PCB temperature, and vrm temp, so still no problem
nova carbon
Very few aio arent asetek, looks wise i liked the nzxt ones and aorus aios but they can be pricey and i think still perform under the arctic freezer because they are asetek
I ended up getting the ekwb aio but the cpu block is pretty basic looking, performance is fairly good tho
At least close to the arctic
shadow minnow
Tbh Arctic freezer aio is imo worst looking AIO
nova carbon
Just go full hard tube custom loop
shadow minnow
I am kinda person that does not like too many shapes, I like simple looking things like fractal design s2, I also do not like that two triangles on Samsung g7.
shadow minnow
Just go full hard tube custom loop
@nova carbon I mean, I would, but it is too expensive. Although I am going with high end parts.
Why
Would
You
Make
Best
Performing
AIO
Look
Like
This
?
nova carbon
To sidestep the asetek patent
shadow minnow
They can claim two first places. βWe made best performing AIOβ and βWe made the ugliest AIOβ
ashen spindle
because that looks just fine?
proud nacelle
right, forgot that people have different views of "what looks good and what doesn't".
proud nacelle
Yes
ashen spindle
sure but then it would cool just as well as that one and not better
nova carbon
Ya x73 is very nice imo
But how is there no cpu block that looks like an arc reactor yet
ashen spindle
im not saying this one should win any price for most beautiful looks or anything, but its not like this is the worst they could've done
shadow minnow
Just interested, what do you think is worst looking aio?
old marlin
ashen spindle
I never even considered looking at any aio pump and judge the look before now
old marlin
best looking one would be hard tbh
ashen spindle
also I agree with that one lmao, that looks terrible
old marlin
corsair looks cheap af
nova carbon
nova carbon
Oh there this bear one too let me seeeee
reef patrol
Hold up.
shadow minnow
@old marlin yeah that is bad
old marlin
this one is even worse
shadow minnow
@nova carbon bad, but not that bad, coverable by one piece of paper, and no weird shapes (my subjective opinion )
old marlin
lol
ashen spindle
like that is such a minor part of the pc, it's a chamber over the cpu to have waterflow, usually with a plastic cover so it's not exposed to light as much etc. I don't think I ever consider the looks of it over price or performance
old marlin
well
they all perform the same
so you should get arctic cooling
by far the best deal on asetek
nova carbon
ashen spindle
I've got a nhd15 and I think for my upgrade to zen3 that will still be more than enough lmao
nova carbon
old marlin
@ashen spindle oh yea no doubt
nova carbon
This looks like it was made in someones garage
nova carbon
D15 performance is insane, just some compatibility issues
old marlin
and came with fans on both sides
nova carbon
Yeah i think arctic cooling aio is far and away best value
But bexin cant look at it
shadow minnow
I do not like look of EKWB aio that much, that RGB part is ... still better than Arctic freezer aio though
nova carbon
Yeah the block is pretty basic looking i def prefer nzxt infinity mirror
old marlin
nzxt aios look like shit irl
nova carbon
I needed the rgb fans tho
I aint spending $80 on new fans that will just have shit static pressure
shadow minnow
I was thinking about RGB fans but so bad static pressure and airflow
nova carbon
Ya unless u spend like 100+ on fans alone
shadow minnow
Rather Corsair ml 120 whites, as I am going with bit frosted theme - light blue / silver
nova carbon
Ya and rgb white is trash generally
Rgbw pc components when
I have to tone down the blur by like 40% to get a reasonable white
Blue*
shadow minnow
I really like one thing about EU - warranty - if my CPU will be really bad at OC, I can just return it, get money back and buy new one
shadow minnow
You can return used products within 14 days without saying reason
reef patrol
Sure - Minus shipping and packaging reductions π
shadow minnow
No packaging reductions
reef patrol
In Denmark they can reduce your refund if the packaging isn't pristine.
shadow minnow
old marlin
would be hard to enforce in germany
ashen spindle
big shops usually dont care until you abuse it and then you just get banned from buying there again
old marlin
the law is usually a lot for the consumer
old marlin
so you could argue that packaging isn;t easy enough to open cleanly
reef patrol
Can't think of many products where this is arguable π
old marlin
?
reef patrol
There's nothing hard to open in a CPU box. Or a motherboard. Etc...
shadow minnow
How can steelseries just tell you you get 1 year warranty in EU?
shadow minnow
Yes
reef patrol
They can - Until you sue them π
shadow minnow
Same with eve (and even worse)
old marlin
eve?
shadow minnow
Not sure why noone sued steelseries yet, big enough company.
old marlin
btw
reef patrol
It's on a case by case basis.
sick creek
sue them for what
old marlin
german steelseries site has it listed as 2 years within eu
reef patrol
Just because YOU win a case, doesn't mean they change their tune. π
ashen spindle
do you want to sue steelseries for following the law or what
im kinda confused
this is the steelseries ruling btw
old marlin
english one as well
nova carbon
This a secret between u and me but i returned a motherboard with a cratered socket
old marlin
oof
sick creek
this is all moot- none of you are hiring a lawyer to sue over a <$500 part
reef patrol
We don't have to. We have consumer rights orgs.
sick creek
lol ok
reef patrol
And while you may have to pay something like 50$ to open a case, you get that back when they win π
ashen spindle
nobody wants to sue aside from bexin who got wrong information lmao
ashen spindle
how long did the AMD case for the FX processors take? feels like 10+ years lmao
reef patrol
That's a very different case though π
old marlin
we live in a country where a court can decide that "novody reads TOS anyways" and it is therefor not applicable
reef patrol
These cases are pretty clear.
"I - The consumer have two years of warranty. The seller refused this and told me I only have one year."
"Yep - Here's your money back and a slap on their wrist for wasting everyone's time"
This is quite possible in Germany. It's part of the EU set of laws π
old marlin
german law can be different
reef patrol
Not like this, no.
old marlin
and german courts are for sure
old marlin
well that is the case anyways
reef patrol
They're not wrong.
old marlin
if you have a warranty case
sick creek
yea so... go after your retailer lol
old marlin
you usually contact the retailer first
shadow minnow
But if you purchase from steelseries...
old marlin
they may tell you to get confirmation by the manufacturer
sick creek
man eu is a lovely utopia. imagine being a retail business with that policy. holy shit
reef patrol
You have NO warranty with the manufacturer in the EU, unless THEY are the seller.
shadow minnow
But how can they offer 1 year warranty if you buy directly from them?
ashen spindle
the reply does not equal SS telling you they dont cover 2 years if you buy from them directly....
old marlin
they do it out of good will
reef patrol
That's because it's two years***
The first six months everyone assumes that any defects were there from the manufacturer (unless clear user error can be shown)
The remaining 18 the burden of proof is opposite but rarely argued by sellers, unless again - Clear user error.
old marlin
they don't have to cover the first year themselves
sick creek
sounds like you should just buy a better product
old marlin
lol
sick creek
sick creek
i dont buy steelseries because i'm not a wannabe pro cs player
reef patrol
This is where a lot of consumers get it wrong.
EU gives you a legally binding WARRANTY. Manufacturers and sellers give you a GUARANTEE. They can do whatever the hell they want in a guarantee, (limited 5 year warranty stuff) but it can never be worse than the EU one.
ashen spindle
also my picture was taken from the ss support side directly and there they say 2 years
reef patrol
You think Steelseries is bad. Whenever I hit the change DPI button on my Corsair mouse, iCue goes nuts and disables RGB on my fans and changes fan curves.
sick creek
cause obviously the only way to reliably make sure the dpi changes is to refresh the entire configuration
old marlin
corsair is worse
steelseries still bad
prime btw
first leaked beta unit was in november
seems like it will finally hit stores 
sick creek
looks like a logitech g703
reef patrol
I also don't mean temporarily. My mouse rotates between a single "iCue" software profile and three hardware ones.
If I hit it four times it will go nuts 3 times and then fix itself when I go back to the first one π
sick creek
old marlin
but shit front
sick creek
i said looks LIKE
sick creek
yea well our penises are "completely different" but probably look similar (except size maybe 
)
sick creek
point is, its a basic-ass mouse
sick creek
of course not
old marlin
shape is probably better than g703
shadow minnow
I have g703 hero and this is imo very different
sick creek
lmao
old marlin
cause that is trash
sick creek
guys
settle down
it's different in the way that all products in a category are, i wasn't calling it a clone
sick creek
ya looks like a black intellimouse
old marlin
derived from this thing
old marlin
which was only discontinued because the manufacturer of the sensor stopped producing it
sick creek
i'm shocked MS didnt just buy up the MFRing
shadow minnow
I mean, if is different category (ergo vs non ergo shape is difference), it is more like g pro wireless
sick creek
microsoft's new peripherals are straight ass, i don't care what anyone says
old marlin
all of them are
sick creek
they are legit trash
old marlin
intellimouse pro is good
they didn't fuck around
and just straight up delivered what is to be expected
sick creek
i've tried them all in store and they feel like toys
sick creek
no software is good software
frozen anchor
1000hz is standard for good mice
old marlin
well you can reduce it
sick creek
yea tbh i dont care if a mouse is capable of 1000hz, i always set to 500hz cause its easier to aim
old marlin
original was kneecapped by being 125hz
shadow minnow
Because Microsoft did not fix mouse issues with Minecraft from 1.13+ yet
It is so annoying
ashen spindle
why are you reducing the scanrate and not your dpi π€
sick creek
^
frozen anchor
Those do completely different things too
old marlin
crossfire can't handle more than 250hz
ashen spindle
you said "easier to aim" so it sounded like it was just too fast otherwise and not that it was an engine issue
sick creek
no
old marlin
lol
sick creek
i did say that, yes, but that's not what i meant
i'm not, say, running at 16000 dpi and reducing to 500hz to make it go slower (not that that's how it works anyway, cause it isnt lol)
sick creek
no
ashen spindle
ok bc thats what it sounded like so I got curious lmao
old marlin
and apparently they didn't understand why people call their mice dated
and still claim that they make shit wheels because people do misinputs otherwise
sick creek
@ashen spindle the difference between 1000 and 500 at 1800dpi for me changes based on the game, but its more reliable at 500
because of the aforementioned game engine issues
ashen spindle
yeye it makes sense in that case
sick creek
like for ex. apex legends is awful at 1000
reef patrol
800 for life π