According to their earnings reports they segment the income in 3 parts:
Revenue in Productivity and Business Processes was $11.7 billion and increased 15% (up 16% in constant currency),
Revenue in Intelligent Cloud was $12.3 billion and increased 27% (up 29% in constant currency),
Revenue in More Personal Computing was $11.0 billion and increased 3% (up 4% in constant currency)
From: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Investor/earnings/FY-2020-Q3/press-release-webcast
Mostly cloud and bussinesses is their reported inflow and going to be their future. Also the data selling seems to be hidden or obscured.
#🔌│tech
reef tundra
fair gull
or not as lucrative as you all think it is
even as a private person you can buy perosnal info shit for super cheap
and get tons of data for a few dollars
reef tundra
Personal data can be very expensive
fair gull
depends on the person
ashen spindle
azure is getting bigger and better mostly bcs AWS is good and all but doesn't get updated, the prices dont get adjusted for better ahrdware etc. so makes it hard for not super big companies to stay there if azure is around
fair gull
u and me are pmuch worthless in personal data
azure is also easily integrated with VS projects etc
so even more reasons for bigger development companies to also use it
ashen spindle
ye they have an ecosystem to offer with office, teams, exchange, VS etc.
amazon has aws
fair gull
im almost sure most companies dont make anywhere close to enough money to stay operating with just selling personal data
reef tundra
Advertisers pay a fuck ton more to be able to get targetted adds
That is where the money is made
the information is only interresting if it allowes identity theft or it is a paypal/bank/credit account on the dark web
advertisers just want to target the groups most likely to buy
ashen spindle
yea but there are no ads in teams/azure/VS
fair gull
which is information thats not sold by 1 party
i am almost sure that data for targeted ads is rather cheap
due to how easily it is aquired by websites
actual indentity theft level fo data is way more valueable
cause not everyone got it
supply and demand
literally capitalism at its finest
scammers like the indepth personal data
and will prob pay tons especially for certain groups
like the elderly
ashen spindle
pretty sure its almost the same as the current strix is it not?
thick elk
It's not the same, there is 3080ti printed on there
nova carbon
I was hoping for some dank heatsink designs cause of the leaked stock 30 series leaks
This just has more metal accents
pale sigil
never liked assus design
ashen spindle
pretty sure the other images are just fancy founders editions
it's just a normal gpu after all so a tripple fan design is going to do well
thick elk
Asus makes their gpu's a bit too gamery
nova carbon
Needs more rgb
:)
The founders cards are gonna need to be cleaned like every 3 months
ashen spindle
if that is the one they go with
nova carbon
Ya
thick elk
To be fair my current gpu looks absolutely hidious
nova carbon
Its a pretty cool departure from the norm tho, i always appreciate the founder card aesthetics
fair gull
@thick elk does it look like this? https://www.bueromarkt-ag.de/bilder/grafikkarte_msi_geforce_gt_710_v809-1899r,p-v809-1899r,s-700.jpg
nova carbon
All industrial design and high build quality
thick elk
that would actually look better imo
the backplate is kind of okay, just the usual ugly backplate but he plastic on the side is just ugh: https://static.gigabyte.com/Product/3/5920/20160605141141_big.png
the side with the fans I really don't care as that is the least visible side anyway
fair gull
just paint over it?
thick elk
It's not about the color, it's the plastic that just doesn't look like it properly fits
but really it's just looks, I don't care that much
nova carbon
Thats part of why i like the founders cards, the fit and finish is impeccable
Dunno of any 3rd party designs that come close
thick elk
That being said you do have some major tradeoffs in terms of performance and noise
ashen spindle
honestly can't tell you because I've never looked at the side profile of gpus
thick elk
the side profile and the top are the most visible parts of a gpu
thick elk
if I go with a custom loop or with a setup where I can place it close to the motherboard sure but otherwise thermals are way more important
reef patrol
(Discord just scrolled down a page - Was referring to the pics further up=
nova carbon
And u pay a lot for the FE heatsinks
Well
I guess the 3rd party ones u can pay alot too but thats also for binning
thick elk
another thing for my next gpu will be that there is pretty much 0 chance it's going to be nvidia as I mostly use linux now.
ashen spindle
that argument makes no sense
even on linux they have the better drivers (for now) and it''s not like amd gets a sudden boost in perf on linux
thick elk
I really want to mostly switch over to wayland because of display scaling among other things. This has nothing to do with raw performance.
Just the nvidia drivers on linux are just annoying to work with.
most of the time I spend not gaming so having a good desktop experience is very important.
ashen spindle
so currently your desktop scaling is not working or what exactly is the issue
not really too familiar with whatever wayland is
thick elk
wayland is the successor to xorg, nvidia decided in all it's wisdom not to follow the standard set by amd and intel and push it's own thing.
This causes the support on nvidia's side to be pretty bad right now and makes switching unviable.
Under wayland you can scale per monitor just fine on xorg you cannot. Wayland has some nice improvements on firefox. Even ignoring wayland the nvidia drivers have some other issues as well because they are one of the few manufacturers not properly providing open source drivers on linux.
pale sigil
I love EGVAs 1000 series design A LOT
ashen spindle
idk what xorg is either, but the point is you can have 200% scaling on one and 100% on the secondary I guess?
thick elk
more like 125% and 100% 100% 100% but yea
actually my primary is 100% one of my 3 secondary's is 125%
Either way there is a reason why the most popular gpu on the hardware survay on linux is the rx 480 (probably also includes the 470 570 580 and 590) where on windows the gtx 1060 wins by a mile even combining these cards.
ashen spindle
sure, but there is also stuff like nvidia cards are mostly used by gamers and lol linux gaming, or CUDA which isnt on linux etc.
crimson wigeon
CUDA is on Linux
ashen spindle
WSL doesnt count
crimson wigeon
Infact it's one of the top platforms for it because of machine learning
ashen spindle
am I mixing it up with something 
crimson wigeon
Yes you are
ashen spindle
hrmm I cant remember what it was then
anyway, the most exciting rumor that floats around, is that nvidia is improving their software stack, not needing to log in anymore etc. because amd is much better in that area
truly the thing im most excited about lmao
thick elk
for both goes the software stack is not on linux anyway so it's not really relevant.
Outside of linux my general preference is to go with amd all things being equal. If only to restore the balance, that being said I did get my 1080 during a time amd just was not the best option.
ashen spindle
idk, as a single person customer I know it makes no difference who I buy from so I just get what's best for what I need
and yeah, obv the login doesnt matter for scaling, but my thought is that might also mean in general better driver/software support etc.
chrome estuary
holy shit not needing to log into nvidia anymore would be great
thick elk
Like I said all things being equal, so far my driver experience on windows has not been better one way or the other so if the performance is the same the price is the same and the power consumption is the same even on windows I would choose amd. If the sum of those parts would have favored nvidia yes I would have gone nvidia.
and with software stack not mattering I just mean Neither Nvidia nor AMD have their software stack on linux.
Nvidia has it's own minor utility for basic config (that is a general pain) and amd mostly relies on the open source world to do what it does best, creating the tools themselves.
ashen spindle
yea fair points, I also had no issues when I had my 7870, the only part where I heard amd gpu having mroe driver issues has been recently with vega/navi
thick elk
I also heard that they somewhat eleviated that lately and I am sure Nvidia has had it's rough spots on that front as well.
during the peak of the problems that was however a cause for concern
vagrant marsh
Sure. I mean, it wasnt a year ago nvidia had problems with a driver that made the mouse pointer stuck on the main screen while you could still move the mouse to another screen but invisible
However, nvidia took 2 weeks to fix that
Not 2 months
ashen spindle
sure everyone will sometimes have software issues, but Vega7 for example still have cases where they just have black screens, amd knew the issue, then in the latest driver it's just not listed as known bug anymore
like if you got a 7 and have that issue, you're just fucked
vagrant marsh
Or who could forget the botched first run of 2080Ti's that didnt work out of the box
thick elk
radeon Vii is kind of a bad card in that regard in general in terms of windows support. I certainly don't like how they handled that one.
ashen spindle
it's not really windows support, some of the card had issues that were fixed in april for some, then the other issues were known and since earlier this year no longer listed but are still present
obviously rdna2 drivers could be amazing and ampere drivers shit the bed for months, just based on the most recent experiences that's a bit unlikely
but that's why im happy AMD got multiple supercomputer contracts, because there they get devs from those teams that work on the drivers with them
thick elk
Are there any recent survays / recent rma rates that point to systemic problems on amd right now?
Because anecdotal some people are having problems can be somewhat biased especially if there was a problem before.
Also the issues on windows and linux are separate, most of those black screen issues seem windows specific are windows specific. It has to do with the way windows handles drivers and how amd handels that. On linux the drivers are part of the kernel and are more robust in that regard.
ashen spindle
I don't think either vendor has any big issues now, I don't think it's anecdotal if you just have so many more people complain about driver issues than 2080ti artefact issues etc.
but I cant say for sure if there are solid numbers on either anywhere
I just remember it because I saw someone posting on twitter a while ago how the adrenalin update that removed the 7 flickering issue didn't fix his blackscreening issue
fair gull
???
i mean i also like paprika flavored
but in general i like salty food
or more acidic foods
ashen spindle
What if the chips are faulty?
how does that matter in a discussion about drivers?
fair gull
what if the driver had too many chips and some alc
vagrant marsh
Drivers cant fix broken cards
fair gull
then the chips matter
vagrant marsh
@ashen spindle
ashen spindle
??? thats still a completely different point
vagrant marsh
What if the soldering of a chip is off a little. Driver cant fix that
Yea, but people complaint drivers are bad. But what if theres a manufacturing problem
crimson wigeon
reimplement said chip in driver
ashen spindle
I dont give a shit about hardware if im talking about the software???
vagrant marsh
-.-
ashen spindle
the argument was not if amd or nvidia is a better choice to buy or a talk about a certain model
it was about the software
vagrant marsh
Nevermind
wheat plume
pale sigil
Imagine using live tiles.....
wheat plume
^^
shadow minnow
wheat plume
apart from the icons for most of the apps
pale sigil
Didn’t even notice
wheat plume
Guy in video: tries to show off the transparency of the live tile backgrounds
Also that guy: uses the most plain wallpaper
shadow minnow
forsenCD transparency
wheat plume
hm?
ashen spindle
m8 you cant expect people to know what random twitch emotes look like
wheat plume
:')
it bothers me that the search box isnt also transparent like the rest of the taskbar
and its a pixel smaller in height that it too
SEE THAT CRAP
Taller* not smaller
frozen anchor
unusable
frozen anchor
switching to linux
ashen spindle
no I disable it so I dont see it
shadow minnow
Who design it WeirdChamp
wheat plume
it auto disables on its own if the taskbar isnt on the bottom
which annoys me, cause id like it on the top too
reef tundra
Windows just has a UI design issue in general. Mostly the consistancy bothers me, completely the "new" audio manager menu is useless beyond basic use so advanced settings, which is the old windows 7, to manage the audio devices. The godfolder on the desktop is real nice when using windows 10, luckly my Arch build does all that I require. The best part? I control the bloat.
frozen anchor
well if you want the decent audio manager you have to right click your volume in bottom right and go to sounds
but its not like it would be hard to just add "advanced settings" option to the audio manager
reef tundra
Also this reminded of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kmyWVnmjwQ
foggy solstice
Everytime I hear UI design, all I can think of is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AItTqnTsVjA now.
foggy solstice
At least you caught it.
fickle ore
adobe sucks ass
crimson wigeon
How so?
reef patrol
https://twitter.com/herrmansen/status/1279028526574981120
Todays PSA from yours truly. Block the 2004 update for as long as you can. It wrecks games.
reef tundra
Microsoft updater be like: hello there, update time
reef patrol
Gotta reinstall AGAIN to get rid of it.
wheat plume
I need to clean install 2004
Cause Oracle database fucks itself when
update windows
ashen spindle
why do you need 2004
reef tundra
it just works and testing is impeccable. No actual testers, professional in-house with hunderds of hardware configurations, needed here
reef patrol
ivory geyser
@reef tundra why dont you disable windows updates and leave them only on manual, on-demand approach?
reef tundra
Which they actually had in the past, untill the CEO of smartness thought that users are the best way of testing. Just stagger release and fix issues based on either insufficient information or GBs of data. Which might be hardware specific..
Tried that you can only hold the update gate so long
and security patches to default browser to edge are hard to disable
Best way is to firewall all microsoft servers.
crimson wigeon
I don't know what people are doing that gets them updates that resets default browser, never happened to me... hell I haven't even gotten the update to ChromiEdge
frozen anchor
i agree that windows is getting worse
reef patrol
One day when Linux can run games like Windows, I'll happily make the change.
frozen anchor
and linux keeps getting more and more appealing
reef patrol
But we're not quite there yet. Close though.
frozen anchor
all i need is low latency gaming that doesnt require me to hop through a ton of hoops and ill switch
reef patrol
Linus latest video on the topic was quite promising. It seems to be mostly DRM blocking now. And Denuvo mentioned going Linux compatible.
Iirc
frozen anchor
yeah that will make a lot of games conpatible
eac is used a lot
well eac isnt kernel level
frozen anchor
nah valorant anticheat is way more invasive
but atleast they actually let you close it now
crimson wigeon
EAC is kernel level
There is already a native Linux version
Wine folks are simply making wine able to emulate the needed kernel functions in userspace, which to me sounds like instant bannination
reef patrol
Valorant's Anti cheat is still bad. So many false positives. It blocked my RGB software. Final straw 
ashen spindle
idk tino you are the first person I hear that from
reef patrol
Also saw someone show it blocking Samsung SSD firmware app 
ashen spindle
also we don't know how how they make the linux version, it's not like they said it will work the same way on linux
frozen anchor
well i think vanguard is bugged for me... i turned it off yesterday and even after restarting my pc it wont come back and theres no way to re enable so valorant just wont load
reef patrol
😆
https://twitter.com/herrmansen/status/1279062553985978368?s=19
No more strobe lights. Goddamn Microsoft. 
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol What games does 2004 wreck?
civic spade
Yeah.. I'm going over to Linux and run Windows as a VM with a gpu passthrough.
Work on linux, game and exclusivities on windows.
And fuck dual boot
If something breaks, I won't have to cry and spend 2 hours before I can do important work again.
(Not that flashing is means for direct reinstall)
zenith sonnet
Only when alt+tabbing?
reef tundra
Hoping vulkan will get more use and support
zenith sonnet
vagrant marsh
something that the epic game store always amazed me with, how it can write more than it downloads
ivory geyser
It is unpacking
ivory geyser
Yep
frozen anchor
i think other downloaders just dont give you any stats on this stuff
so you never notice
ivory geyser
^
Believe it or not, Epic is actually trying to... transparent... on this.
As weird as that may sound
ivory geyser
Well it downloads files in compressed format and then unpacks them on your PC.
The unpacking takes longer than download on most PCs, because half of your HD/SSD's capacity is taken by the download and the rest by the unpacking
So the unpacking logically takes longer
ashen spindle
I mean steam does the same, look at the stats I get for this update im downloading
frozen anchor
well for my crappy download speed im sure my ssd would unpack it way faster than download
ivory geyser
Probably, SSDs are quick as hell
wheat plume
static robin
that’s stupid
wheat plume
Install Linux? Ten years of jail
Add a new part to your computer? Ten years of jail
Just like the new law in America
About adding backdoor to everything
But they literally mention don't install non OEM OS
ashen spindle
^
ashen spindle
so basically you just took it at face value without even looking at anything from it
wheat plume
There are coffee makers that literally will not work without specific capsules
So it's real???
reef patrol
It passed? Whoa.
ivory geyser
It looks one of those "out of touch with reality" laws.
reef patrol
Watch as the Mexican border towns on the US side become a haven for PC repair.
Utterly insane.
warped dove
Holy ***** that's horrenouds
Meanwhile Scandinavian countries are giving repairs shops 50% tax cuts compared to retailers
red oyster
right to repair pls
warped dove
"so basically if you built your own computer you get thrown in jail?" lol rough speculation
frozen anchor
nah but if you bought a prebuilt and fixed it thats where it comes in
reef patrol
Scandinavian? Not Danish for sure 😛
And... Linux? Heh
Next dream project. Semi 3D printed retro case that fits either Amiga or ITX PCs.
shadow minnow
Searching for table, that will fit two 27’ monitors, PC case (fractal design s2), and also keyboard with wrist rest. (not sure about color yet) Any recommendations?
ashen spindle
get a nice polished wooden plate in the length you need
wheat plume
boi, I guess you saw LGR's video?
ashen spindle
if you mean me, no
wheat plume
Mansen I mean
wheat plume
its really nice :DD
reef patrol
Expensive as all heck though. Doubt I'll be able to convince them to send a free review sample 😄
wheat plume
ahaha
X to doubt
Maybe if they see your twitter about how shit 2004 is then they might give you free sample
reef patrol
If it was a Corsair sized company, sure. But a small indie company like this? Noep.
shadow minnow
get a nice polished wooden plate in the length you need
@ashen spindle was thinking about that, not sure about price and where to get it though
ashen spindle
idk, any furniture place that sells tables, chairs, shelves etc. usually also has options for that
shadow minnow
https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/p/idasen-table-top-brown-40360991/
Probably not the best option but what do you think?
Also, what size would you recommend for table, that will fit two 27’ monitors, PC case (fractal design s2), and also keyboard with wrist rest. (not sure about table color yet)
ashen spindle
idk, I took measures of my corner and got two plates to fit stuff onto and have an L shaped corner table now
dont really know the sizes of your room
reef patrol
Keep in mind you can't cut those fibreboard table boards.
shadow minnow
I have quite large room. Question is what is okay size for that setup 😄 want it to have normal shape.
reef patrol
Here's my idea - Look on your local used goods sites. See if anyone's selling a hardwood table and go from there. IKEA sells plenty of good legs for boards.
Or go full steam for a used motorized table 😄
shadow minnow
And any recommendation about size from you? 😄
reef patrol
Depends on your preference really. My tables are around 2 meters wide.
OOF.... 390€ for a Fake Amiga case w. acessories (PSU, DVD drive) Got the Mobo and CPU...but OOF 😄
ashen spindle
measure what space you have, the width of the stuff you want to put on it etc.
shadow minnow
I do not have any special preference. Just do not want oversized table for all these things, and want table that can fit all these things 😄
ashen spindle
then take a look at the size of the stuff you want to put on it and the size of your room and figure it out man
like its not really possible to tell you what size makes sense without knowing how far away you like your monitor/ keyboard etc.
shadow minnow
I mean, problem is that even I am not fully sure😄. But I know I want monitors next to each other, but no idea about kb.
shadow minnow
get a nice polished wooden plate in the length you need
@ashen spindle will it be possible to just make hole to that wooden plate from bottom of it, and left few mm, for wireless charging?
shadow minnow
When I search for polished wooden plate it shows another kind of plates, Must use different keywords
ashen spindle
with polished I just mean that it's not fully raw so you can use it and dont need to worry about splinters or it breaking etc.
wheat plume
Mutter got a massive massive new ability
https://blogs.gnome.org/shell-dev/2020/07/02/splitting-up-the-frame-clock/
Can handle multiple displays
At different resolutions and refresh rates at once
Instead of just different resolutions
shadow minnow
Did Linus just start WAN show when it is 2:22am where I live... 💤
reef patrol
I mean he IS Canadian.
pale sigil
Now that I have vr again I have 0 motivation to use it again
empty wren
Half Life: Aynx?
pale sigil
I keep either having to do other stuff or forget 🤣
wheat plume
Now that I have vr again I have 0 motivation to use it again
@pale sigil send it to me :')
pale sigil
Nah
wheat plume
Xd
fair gull
@reef patrol why not bend one custom
reef patrol
Qué?
fair gull
theres these mounted tools for workbenches to bend metal
and im willing to say u can bend thick enough metal for pc cases
so a custom bended new case would also be an option
youd need to detail it with another tool tho for fine creases and stuff
but it might also be cool imo
and they are easy to self make if u got tools to cut thick metal plates and weld them
they arent any miracle device
reef patrol
I still don't follow the topic
reef patrol
Well... For one I don't have a machining shop
Or indeed any kind of room I could turn into a workshop. Also no 3D printer to make the front bezels.
I'd end up spending a lot more just getting tools to make one than buying it. 
The lid, bottom and back case are metal btw.
fair gull
ik
and its still a bummer
as i said
always a bummer
my current case has few plastic parts
but the ones that are i wanna replace
fair gull
my pc case is like 95% metal
the 5% are feet and the clips/frame of the frontpanel cover
ashen spindle
that's pretty metal
fair gull
ya but why screw on plastic clippers to clip in the front
just machine them and screw those on
the bezel round the front panel i kinda understand but still will change
and the feet im at a loss why those stilk use plastique
short cove
Oh boy those razer optical switches bottom out at such a shallow depth
It's either that or the springs are super light
pale sigil
Ethernet in my router is acting up, joys
short cove
Why the hell is it that the huntsman TE uses all these proprietary parts
Can't even take off the shift key without forcing it
The stabilizer is so weird
shadow minnow
Cause razer
short cove
Like I thought I broke something
Until I looked at it and saw this ridiculous assembly
shadow minnow
Razer and Logitech - OPP overpriced proprietary periphepals, but if you want some features, there is no other way to get them. (For example Logitech lightspeed technology, screen sampler....
short cove
Thank fuck I bought something I can actually fix myself
I almost bought some gaming brand keeb before I decided to ask around
How are you even supposed to clean the Huntsman TE then?
Are you supposed to leave all the keys with the stabilisers on the keeb and only clean the ones you can remove
shadow minnow
Razer is literally selling membrane kb for 100$
short cove
What is this shit with gaming brands and impossible to service products
shadow minnow
Not fully true
Apple does not usually sell bad hardware, just overpriced
But not bad by quality
ashen spindle
the macbook would like a word with you but is currently busy overheating
short cove
Have you tried those MacBook keyboards
shadow minnow
Good mic
And one of best trackpads
Have you tried those MacBook keyboards
@short cove that was quite a bad thing, but not that bad
short cove
Also aluminium build is nothing special, you might as well buy a think pad for the same money which is nearly indestructible
Thinkpads are much better built because they're business grade
Stuff made to last
shadow minnow
But windows sucks and makes it not that business grade
short cove
Eh I feel like business grade is less of a buzzword that aircraft grade aluminium
ashen spindle
you cant just argue about the OS if your argument up to that point is about the hardware
short cove
Business grade is more of a specific target demographic
Aircraft grade aluminium is used in basically everything
Lmao
thick elk
Also build quality as most people call it is mostly about looks.
For an actual durable laptop you would not go aluminium on the outside
shadow minnow
I mean just, I do not like windows, there are also things I do not like about Linux and mac (compatibility, software, hardware) that force me to use windows
I hate that most of companies do plastic laptops
short cove
I can say the X1C is made of carbon fibre reinforced polymer so it's better than aluminium
short cove
The design matters as well btw
You can have a shitty design that makes aluminium useless
You can design a plastic laptop that allows it to survive drops
Glass display also doesn't automatically mean good
Glass is much more brittle than anti glare plastiv
And is heavier
Even expensive monitors use plastic
shadow minnow
Overheating does not mean bad quality. All small laptops usually are underclocked
thick elk
Well there is the fan placement on the latest macbook
shadow minnow
Yeah on air, it is not done well
Still Apple has imo high quality products overall. And also not that bad software
While Logitech has also problems with software, same razer
shadow minnow
Not entirely true
short cove
So you see those absolute fucking garbage dual core i3 MacBook airs
shadow minnow
When software does not work it is objective
short cove
Those deserve to burn in hell
shadow minnow
When software does not work 50% of time it is objectively bad
And makes bad user experience
shadow minnow
Logitech g hub is exactly that, not working half the time
This is for example what I like about wooting - very good software
Well I never had issues with W10
@short cove I mean, all these things with drivers, scaling...
Also worse thing, Logitech does not even bother fixing software
G560 speakers - broken drivers, for 2 years
Still no fixes
thick elk
Some manufacturers can be even worse at times.
Canon for example has one of their scanners with a very broken driver in windows 10. On the US site they offer a optional fixed driver. They do not bother to roll it out to their other sites, or make it the default driver version even though as I could test on at least 10 machines the driver is truely broken on windows 10. And no the scanner was not discontinued at the time.
shadow minnow
That is one of things why I hate windows
If Apple just did not want ms office
They would have bankrupt
And there would probably be another os , hopefully better
But no
short cove
Suit yourself I'll never use subpar hardware
thick elk
I'll just stick to linux myself. Maybe I will start booting in windows again if I really want to play a game that does not work well on linux. But since I don't play online games that often and game support is getting better and better I have less reason to do so.
shadow minnow
I need windows for games 😄
thick elk
This is not the best option for everyone but it is for me
Over the past two years or so game support on linux has gotten so much better.
short cove
I'm sort of in the middle ground, I don't want garbage hardware but I also can't be arsed to learn to use Linux
shadow minnow
I want ray tracing 😄
ashen spindle
you already have it, play about any game from the last 20 years
shadow minnow
I mean, real one 😄
thick elk
Outside of gaming I generally prefer linux which I used for over a decade now be it not full time. So me gaming less and less / working for home is mostly what made my switch mostly permanent.
ashen spindle
?
short cove
Ray tracing is a meme now
shadow minnow
I prefer Linux / macOS
ashen spindle
games already use "real" ray tracing idk what a fake ray tracing would be
shadow minnow
But games... are forcing me to windows
short cove
Path tracing Minecraft memes
There's barely any real visual upgrades but tank your frame rate to sub 60
shadow minnow
Nvidia ampere will change that
thick elk
We will have to see, by that time amd will have their own accelerated ray tracing so we shall see how much better nvidia has gotten / how that stacks up to amd.
short cove
Can't wait until AMD gets their own RT and absolutely mops the floor with Nvidia
Fucking complacent dripfeed comapnies
It happened to shintel it won't take long for the same to happen to novideo
shadow minnow
That is pretty fanboish thing to say
short cove
It is fanboyish yes, but what I'm saying is true
ashen spindle
idk, for now the management of nvidia is not anywhere as close to being as incompetent as intel is/was so I dont see that happening
shadow minnow
True^
short cove
That would be a good thing
shadow minnow
Than AMD would raise price if no competition
ashen spindle
nah, good thing would be amd getting better without nvidia getting worse, if they can only get ahead bc the others are failing thats not a great competition
shadow minnow
AMD is same as any other company
short cove
I mean Nvidia not being trash
shadow minnow
They want money
ashen spindle
ah kk
short cove
Shintel only survives by laptop contracts and pre builts at this point
ashen spindle
sounds better than shitel though
thick elk
For market position if both in graphics and in cpu's mind share would equalize. For that to happen I think amd needs to consistently be better for some time. and not just better in bang for buck. On cpu's they are slowly getting there on gpu's they are ways off.
short cove
Fine
shadow minnow
Intel sels every chip they make
thick elk
Intel is just an old bloated tech company. IBM has been in the same spot as well, they will slowly turn around and possibly lose relevance.
ashen spindle
yeah and currently intel is basically failing in every area, not just CPU area
shadow minnow
Problem if they return is so many people becoming fanboys.
short cove
They're just complacent
shadow minnow
Of amd
ashen spindle
I really dont mind fanboys if that means the products I can get are better
I dont care if idiots are right or wrong
short cove
in the end consumers benefit
shadow minnow
It means exactly opposite
thick elk
In general AMD won the mind share on people building their own pc's but for oem's / laptops intel still wins and probably will for at least a few years assuming status quo
short cove
Forcing intel to stop dripfeeding would be great
Yeah because intel dumps CPUs at super low prices to OEMs
ashen spindle
but we've been getting good amd laptops so that is finally changing at least
thick elk
for laptops it's also just the first generation that beats intel really.
shadow minnow
Now AMD is only good option for CPU in pc under 1000/1400$
ashen spindle
the new shenker VIA15 looks like it could be a sick laptop, with just a ryzen and no dGPU so it should have insane battery
too bad its not one of the big laptop makers that first made this
short cove
I mean basic example
shadow minnow
Tiger lake looks very good for iGPU
ashen spindle
tiger lake looks very average
ashen spindle
ye
shadow minnow
10600k can be good though 😄
thick elk
in some ways but you are also paying about € 80 more over the 3600x for a marginal improvement in gaming performance
even worse if you compare the regular 3600
ashen spindle
or even more if you want to get true value, the 3300x is currently really good
thick elk
there are arguments why you would prefer to not go quad core right now though.
shadow minnow
Intel has only 2 competetive CPUs
I5 10600k and i9 10900k
I mean “competetive”
For best performance i9 and for best performance in it’s price point i5
Although they are not worth it if
You are not going for completely best performance in games
ashen spindle
yeah its best performance in its price point because amd has the same perormance at 100$ less lmao
ashen spindle
ok at that point we are at like 200$ more bc you need a better cooler as well
shadow minnow
For i5 you can get better performance even on air
But it is so small difference
Like 2%
So not worth it
ashen spindle
I doubt you can OC it any bit on the intel stock cooler lmao
shadow minnow
Most of people buy coolers also for AMD
ashen spindle
what people do or don't do doesn't change what the hardware does or costs....
thick elk
not buying a separate cooler is pretty common especially since the gains by overclocking the cpu are not that great and outside of that the stock coolers are fine. Most people don't even bother to overclock anyway.
shadow minnow
I mean, enthusiast market. Most people buy prebuilds outside of that😄
ashen spindle
what people do or don't do doesn't change what the hardware does or costs....
shadow minnow
I said, i5 is not worth it for 99% people
ashen spindle
you said " best performance in it’s price point"
shadow minnow
Yeah. For gaming it has best performance in it’s price point. No matter how bad value it is.
ashen spindle
yes my point was the 3600(x) is basically the same at 100 bucks less
shadow minnow
Price point of CPU has nothing to do with buying extra cooler or not
Yeah that is true
I am saying it has terrible value but +1-5 FPS so best performance at price point 😄
No matter value
And cheaper CPU being just bit worse
3600 is better value 100%
But even 1% means i5 has better performance even if it was 10 times the price 😄
zenith sonnet
People seem to really like those CML chips :p
wheat plume
Chrome Canary vs Chrome
64 bit is on the way
Just 3 version higher from the stable release
shadow minnow
Although wccftech is not very good overall, this article is goo at summing up what many apps do
https://wccftech.com/ios-14-exposes-apps-that-spy-on-your-clipboard-data/
empty wren
yeah but is it really going to make much of a difference on mobile
Just 3 version higher from the stable release
crimson wigeon
Yes now it can gobble all RAM on mobile too
misty pier
interesting, i have an app that auto-deletes my clipboard history for me
shadow minnow
Looking for some monitor arm for 27” monitor, that is wall mountable, can be restricted to be quite short, and will not be visible (covered by monitor) that offers swivel, pivot, height adjustment and tilt like features. Any recommendations?
thick elk
personally prefer to use desk arm as with wall mounting things get annoying if you have to move your setup even a little bit. As for recommendations most are fine if they have the features you want.
thick elk
I have something somewhat similar in terms of scripts, maybe these are useful:
I use mine to convert flacs into opus, copy mp3 to a separate directory and apply replay gain
and yes the copy mp3 one is a shameless copy - paste with things I don't need removed (mostly)
shadow minnow
@thick elk was also looking for some desk mount for max 100$, but most recommended amazon stand looks very industrial / office style, and would not fit my setup. Want something simple, can be bit gamer looking (but no red color )
halcyon moss
a bit of paint might work
thick elk
fair enough, personally I don't mind the more office style
wheat plume
chocolaty is so cool
install all your shit with command line on windows :D
I used to install intelliJ , openJDK, Discord
wheat plume
on my laptop
I need to for this project :/ -.-
oracle database and VS Studio
(Yeah, im aware oracle DB can be install on Linux)
empty wren
ashen spindle
thats VSCode not VS
wheat plume
^^
empty wren
oh so you cannot use it for the same purpose?
wheat plume
you can use it to write c# but not make windows forms with the gui designer
empty wren
oh i see
ashen spindle
VS is a full IDE vscode is more of an editoir
wheat plume
also, I do use VS Code on Linux as my text editor for code files
I use Kate as plain text editor though
misty pier
vs code 👌
wheat plume
xD
ivory geyser
A properly pimped up VSC can go toe-to-toe with most IDEs out there tbh
ashen spindle
sure or you just use VS from the start ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wheat plume
XD
https://youtu.be/w8eAZee-1W8 OOOO this is neat
it seems to use rofi to give you the options? cool
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtjvn19GorM bet linux cant do that, can it?
pale sigil
That's illegal
ashen spindle
yeah but its on a microsoft 32 socket server
pale sigil
You have people like that
wheat plume
its a VM apparently
pale sigil
Then there's me struggling with computer architecture
ashen spindle
ofc a vm, but still needs the 32 sockets
ivory geyser
Keep in mind that the LED is at the north part of the keycap, the closer you get to the south part the more the light will get weaker
short cove
Well I suppose this is the small downside I have to take
wheat plume
the korean version maybe
frozen anchor
looks like chinese keycaps
fair gull
thats japanese
frozen anchor
it isnt
wheat plume
can confirm, blocking ajax breaks the wooting store website
frozen anchor
100% its not japanese
those characters cannot be japanese
i said its chinese because the characters match a chinese keyboard even though this one has more
but finding chinese keycaps is nearly impossible since it only brings up keycaps made in china
really though its better to just ping @short cove since its their kb
wheat plume
wheat plume
Xd
If this wasn't antutu
I feel like people think that faster animations = faster phone
But it really doesn't mean that
empty wren
And people thought one plus was amazing
wheat plume
OxygenOS is really nice
empty wren
Maybe but OnePlus I am sure has some issues in there devices
That do not become apparent until use
That notification issue was a years long issue
Samsung someone told me has a similar problem at times
wheat plume
Notification issue?
wheat plume
Hmm
Background process killing
wheat plume
empty wren
How is OnePlus on top
wheat plume
Not sure
empty wren
I remember stuff died from them too
But Huawei literally blocks apps from writing in secure settings
And other crap
Lowers the resolution
Consistently
Also how do you think the mate 20 pro got 2 day battery life
wheat plume
Yeh ...
empty wren
Also it is irony OnePlus is at the top
8GB is not enough I guess
Makes me wonder how 8GB is minimum for a AAA game
wheat plume
Hnmm
empty wren
I see also one big problem in this more and more gigabyte gams
There is not much application to it
Chrome does not run the same way on mobile as on a full computing device
Games chalk up hundreds of megabytes
wheat plume
after a while it finally connected automatically once I turn the controller on and its great :D the first li ke 2 times I had to manually reconnect it
empty wren
The joy of wireless
empty wren
No removable battery is great
Though if the battery could be slightly bigger
Would be nice
Only thing Android I saw struggled with ram is xposed
And even that does not have many worthwhile modifications
empty wren
Yeah
Sometimes they add cook stuff
But it is mostly a a single tweak inside of package
wheat plume
.... we dont have batteries -.-
wheat plume
AGGHH
empty wren
Maybe if you get a play n charge kit
wheat plume
I was wondering when these were going to die
empty wren
Or rechargable batteries
wheat plume
is it regular micro usb?
empty wren
Yep
wheat plume
so I could plug it in and itll work?
wheat plume
lemme try if I can find a cable
empty wren
But you will barely charge the batteries
wheat plume
I got this controller from my cousin who has an xbox one
and he used it before me and I havent changed the batteries he had in it and played distance for like 5 hours since I got it
and they run out now
empty wren
How lucky you are
wheat plume
huh?
empty wren
Irony
wheat plume
what?
empty wren
I mean power
wheat plume
hm?
wheat plume
so I plugged it into my computer with micro usb and its got the light on so now I got to open the game and see if it works there
empty wren
What did you like from xposed?
empty wren
Oh okay then
wheat plume
also controller doesnt work
odd
wait it does....the game changed controller layout for some reason
empty wren
Well good now you do not need batteries
wheat plume
i hte the cable
empty wren
But your wireless controller is now wired 😂
empty wren
The fact it has a failsafe is nice
wheat plume
^^
empty wren
I wonder if sony has one too
Xposed brought newer Android design and features
To older devices which could not get the version
In some packages
wheat plume
idk
im probabl the most niche gamer
Linux
Arch Linux
21:9 screen
Using xbox one controller
:')
empty wren
So double Linux?
frozen anchor
i think just using arch already puts you in a niche category
frozen anchor
i know manjaro is used for gaming a decent bit
wheat plume
yeh it is!
i can tell why, its fast and comes with steam and nvidia drivers preinstalled
and its arch so you can get the newest drivers and things fasdter than ubuntu or debian
frozen anchor
Yeah
thick elk
It's not exactly arch but arch based. Mostly packages take a few weeks longer and there are different kernel options.
There may be some other differences as well. Personally I just stick to regular arch but if you prefer things to be preinstalled it's a decent option.
frozen anchor
I heard Manjaro also has options to use proprietary Nvidia drivers that are better than the open source
thick elk
Most major distro's do, open source nvidia drivers are garbage.
frozen anchor
Ah
thick elk
I mean most use it as the default
wheat plume
I heard Manjaro also has options to use proprietary Nvidia drivers that are better than the open source
@frozen anchor yeah, if you choose "non-free" in the menu that shows up before it loads the desktop when you boot from live USB, it will auto install the proprietary drivers
frozen anchor
haha
wheat plume
problem is, even razers own software wasnt able to cofigure the speakers....
it picked them up ONCE but never again
empty wren
@wheat plume
frozen anchor
ew
empty wren
Yeah but only way to get them live icons gimmick but kinda fun
wheat plume
I had a similar effect on an icon pack I found in the MIUI themes app
I didnt like it :')
shadow minnow
Looking for some monitor arm for 27” monitor (changed that), can be restricted to be quite short, and will not be visible (covered by monitor) that offers swivel, pivot, height adjustment and tilt like features. Any recommendations? 😄
misty pier
could check amazon and see what comes up
empty wren
fair gull
so i heard apple wants to start out as a health insurance company
ashen spindle
🤔
old marlin
yea
wo buys rocket lake
when the gen after that has a lot more CPU pins
which are desperatley needed
supposedly
ashen spindle
people who want/need to buy a cpu when they are out and before ADL is out?
ashen spindle
I mean we dont know how well rkl will perform really
fair gull
lga 2020 when
old marlin
can't be worse than 1151 
short cove
RKL?
halcyon moss
lets bbriviate all thgins so we dont know what were talking about anymore
ashen spindle
look I used it before I shortened it, cba typing out Coffe Lake -S Refresh everytime I want to mention 9th gen intel
halcyon moss
sorry
ashen spindle
no worries im just lazy lol
halcyon moss
its an a common annoyance of mine int he tech and gamer world that things are always abbreviated, like game names, i dont know what everyone is talking about, and often its ambiguous too
ashen spindle
yea I get that, on the other hand you rarely need actual uArch names/details if you aren't deep into the topic anyway
shadow minnow
@short cove because Apple does not have best trackpad
Also, tbh, I quite like that Fn Touch Bar
pale sigil
Out of the whole emptying my room of furniture and going gk paint it the most frustrating thing has to be removing all my cables from my desk setup
Christ, 11 plugs
And a 10 ethernet cables
Display cables, usbs etc
fair gull
its globbing but recursively
ashen spindle
it sounds like googling so prob some glob tool?
fair gull
glob is basically patterning filenames with wildcards
*.txt for example is a glob
just this
but
recursively
so found matching folders
also get globbed
and so on
usually u dont wanna do it recursively tho
unless youre building a file search on the entire disk
im still on the side of inplace conversion
and then deleting
so just a script that recursively converts and deletes
oh
why tho
i dont get mp3 to flac anyway
i personally use them how they come even on the go
thats why idc i got 1tb on my phone
not to mention i could stick an sd card in
yes
thats why i said
that why idc
i have the storage
i dont need to mingle with it
u got the music tagged?
so why all this work
just make the folder structure compatible with the tags
thats way you can even automate ingress
so it places it into basepath\musician\album
instead of all this weird globbing stuff you read out the meta data
and move it accordingly
cleaner structure and its reconstructable
obv fails as soon as u dont have metadata on a file
those should be in the meta of the files
not like its not setable
album covers in folder always sound like pirated shit
how will globbing help then tho
ud basically need to build an algo that would find the base folder of an album
sounds like way more work to me then having nicely tagged files
pale sigil
imaging storing music
pale sigil
Deezer Hi-Fi 
fair gull
lol
crimson wigeon
imagine not having unlimited data
pale sigil
ngh welcome to the eu
pale sigil
There are plenty of artists tho
fair gull
id rather save that money
crimson wigeon
Yeah that
pale sigil
i pay like 10 euro for 4gb
fair gull
i pay 60 for 20
pale sigil
the network im on is cheap
but its bad
4g is like 10 down
highest ive seen was 40
ashen spindle
I pay 0 for 1
pale sigil
if i was relying on my phone data so much i would not be with this company
is pretty much budget
ashen spindle
tbh thats the only good thing I got from vodafone buying up my old ISP, I go from 0.5 data in a month to 1 gig
not that I need it 
pale sigil
fair gull
callum btw what did u mean by "1411kbps is enough for me"
pale sigil
meh they changed pricing
fair gull
that is flac/wav
ashen spindle
uh oh, I only see this now https://www.anandtech.com/show/15892/sk-hynix-hbm2e-memory-now-in-mass-production I pray this doesnt mean big navi is using HBM again, it would fit in the timeline perfectly but would make it so expensive again...
vagrant marsh
i got deezer, together with t-mobile unlimited music
i pay 30 euro for deezer always, 10gb of data, and datafree music*
*only available for certain apps like deezer and spotify :p
i can extend my contract, and that will cost me...exactly the same
usually they offer you a lower price a few years later for having the same, but not this one
so im thinking of switching provider. Tele2 offers alot of data, but their network sucks in the netherlands
or this. when you choose an unlimited data package, you are also forced to choose unlimited calling/sms which costs extra. if you have unlimited data, you can also do alot of whatsapp calling and those bastards know that, so they earn less out of phone calling. so they make you charge extra for that to compensate
jesus christ. im seriously looking at other offers but none of them seem to be any better than what i got right now.
one of the providers even hid the fact that they got more data to give, but because of a 'special action' they wont show it to new clients
shadow minnow
What is better place for second monitor? On left, or on right from the main one?
frozen anchor
i would go on the right
but as long as you have your main monitor directly infront of you it doesnt really matter
crimson wigeon
Wherever it's more comfortable for you
frozen anchor
some people also put it on the top
fair gull
so whats the best way to cut a 4x4 straight with only my hands and a saw
timid chasm
No tape measure or anything?
I assume this is a cross-cut?
Literally just a saw? like no pencil?
shadow minnow
I mean, I am not sure how is it, and I can not try it before having my setup complete, and I do not want too small table to than not fit all these things
thick elk
What is best really depends on what you want / what looks best in your room.
Personally I have my 4th monitor on the right but that is mostly becase of the way I set things up.
shadow minnow
Any normal looking monitor arm/stand (not office or industrial looking) for 27” monitor?
orchid silo
shadow minnow
Does not matter
thick elk
Be caerful with those, I made the mistake of getting a tripple monitor one supposedly for 27 in while in reality I had to hack something together to even fit 1x 27inch and 2x 24 inch.
generally you should take something that can fit something bigger than 27 inch
shadow minnow
That amazon one is what I mean by office looking. I just do not like that look
thick elk
or look at the specs for the distance betwen arms.
And that yea
frozen anchor
what look do you want? thats the look most will have
shadow minnow
I mean normal look, can be bit gamer like, will send photos of what can it be like.
Can be like this
Can be even like this
frozen anchor
if you just want a monitor stand theres probably plenty of those
but monitor arms will always look like whats linked above
shadow minnow
This has all required features, But I would prefer sth smaller
I mean stand size
So rather monitor arm
frozen anchor
if you want an arm you wont get the sort of look you linked
theres basic looking ones like this though https://www.amazon.com/VIVO-Monitor-Adjustable-Articulating-STAND-V001/dp/B00B21TLQU
frozen anchor
just get custom built quantum monitor arm that can change size 👍
shadow minnow
Sounds great
misty pier
yeah I have the same one with dual arms
reef patrol
clip
20 minutes long
plush summit
LOL
timid chasm
@fair gull run a line on all the sides and cut along the line on each side separately
This would of be the best bet if you can get a straight line made. You can use the lines on each side to keep the saw in line and just do that on all sides
ashen spindle
eyy, we got a new codec, H.266 is finalized
shadow minnow
H.267 when?
crimson wigeon
ugh, absolutely proprietary
ashen spindle
sure and licensing might be a headache again, but feel free to show me a working, equally good open source standard that people can get around to use and not just one that might fit but isn't used by anything
crimson wigeon
AV1 of course
zenith sonnet
H.266/VVC Officially Revealed, Same Quality As H.265/HEVC At Half The Bit-Rate
And up to 10x the encoding difficulty
It's not for the average consumer (yet)
old marlin
Wtf
reef patrol
Encoding. Or DEcoding 😄
ashen spindle
eyy the XT ryzen cpus are out
as expected they are basically the same and not worth at all
overclocking potential aside
ashen spindle
nah its on the same node
misty pier
yikes
ashen spindle
just miniscule improvements on the side of tsmc so they can go for minimal higher binning
but minimal literally means, multiple tests to get 1fps more in a game
misty pier
huh apparently there's a 3800xt as well
ashen spindle
apus coming on 21st allegedly, those should be much more interresting
ashen spindle
rip MSI CEO
"The Taiwanese press reports that he died from falling from a building, causing head injury, although the circumstances behind the fall are unknown and subject of a Police investigation"
reef patrol
😮
lean oasis
noooo
shadow minnow
I mean, xt CPUs for gaming are actually less value for gaming than intel 10th gen
ashen spindle
barely less fps at much better prices isn't really less worth, it's "they still arent the best but have a way better perf/$"
shadow minnow
I am talking about xt CPUs. Nearly same performance at lot higher price. It is like, rather normal 5 3600, or if I want to spend more on more performance, than i5 10600k, but 5 3600xt should be no go CPU.
ashen spindle
its literally the same msrp
shadow minnow
But 5 3600 has gone down by price, it is much better value now
ashen spindle
retailers just have lowered the prices for the other parts, that just makes those cpus an even better deal
shadow minnow
Yeah, but msrp does not matter
ashen spindle
but if you were just to compare xt price vs intel counterpart, you still have cheaper amd cpu for basically the same gaming performance
and multiple places did reduce the other prices yes, doesnt mean the msrp changed, in many places they cost the same still
shadow minnow
I mean, all high end AMD CPUs apart from normal 9 3900x have basically same gaming performance, so 0 extra to get from buying higher end AMD CPUs, while higher end Intel gives you at least some boost in performance.
ashen spindle
yes that doesn't change that " xt CPUs for gaming are actually less value for gaming" is wrong
shadow minnow
There are actually Intel CPUs that have higher performance than more expensive AMD CPUs. I do not really understand why people are getting higher end CPUs than 5 3600 for gaming, when they want good value.
ashen spindle
higher quality silicon so better OC, future proofing idk
shadow minnow
More cores for future proofing is one possible thing, but there is nearly no difference in silicon quality
But imo rather get intel than, so you at least get better gaming performance. (I mean, starting with i5 10600k, and higher)
ashen spindle
I mean thats just wrong, every 3950x has a much better power curve than 3900x because it needs to stay in the same TDP
shadow minnow
I mean, I just do not understand why people overspend on AMD CPUs more expensive than i5 10600k for gaming, when they can get more performance from i5 10600k for smaller price (although there is no big performance difference)
ashen spindle
I cant really tell you that because I dont really see people doing that