It might be 13 years old but its got something a newer iMac doesnt....a 7200RPM hard drive
#🔌│tech
wheat plume
reef patrol
zenith sonnet
^ was about to say the same
It's also a much more modern chipset
Reminds me, though
To bad you're in Ireland
I'd have my wife's prior PC for sale, with a 4790K and a 380X in it
Might have just suited your needs
solar hinge
@wheat plume just saw the video about steam, why do you think he's confused about it?
his point is, in the rest of the world Valve hides behind "freedom of speech" and blah blah blah to not censor titles or remove them . yet in china they are willing to do so? means they're selling out big time and are being hypocrites about themselves
wheat plume
They still follow the rules of the government in the places they offer steam
How is doing the same for China any different?
young flicker
Do you not remember Germany's censored L4D for example? As long as another country's censorship laws don't affect my product then I don't care.
That said, fuck China.
solar hinge
because they have said in the past "it is unreasonable for us to censor the games and monitor everything. it is unreasonable to ask us to do this"
solar hinge
but for china it's fine, we can do it
zenith sonnet
In the Western world, supporting Freedom of Speech is politically correct, whether you agree with it, or not
That's why companies need to do it
solar hinge
@young flicker blocking certain games and changing some games to not include swastika's etc, is different from monitoring every letter that is typed and said in game
young flicker
Oh man.
misty pier
fx 👀
solar hinge
@zenith sonnet you can't yell "freedom of speech" and then go "#disclaimer, only applicable to the US"
young flicker
@solar hinge You realize that every foreign company that operates in China is essentially a whole separate business, right?
zenith sonnet
@solar hinge But you can do exactly that
solar hinge
i'm not a dumbass @young flicker so yes i know
misty pier
now 8gb is kind of the norm haha
wheat plume
cries in 2gb GPU
solar hinge
cries in ... "refreshing vram" ...2gb GPU
@wheat plume
zenith sonnet
cries in unused hardware lying around
wheat plume
cries in unused hardware lying around
@zenith sonnet build me PC from it and send me it?
zenith sonnet
I'm way to lazy about selling stuff I don't need any longer
split cipher
cries in APU
solar hinge
i'll take the x380 of your hand, depending on the price :p
zenith sonnet
@wheat plume I have a fully functional PC collecting dust
solar hinge
380x*
wheat plume
@wheat plume I have a fully functional PC collecting dust
@zenith sonnet .......boi
zenith sonnet
Not sure if I can ship that to Ireland,though
misty pier
shipping PCs overseas sounds kind of scary
zenith sonnet
4790K and 380X in it, 16 GiB
wheat plume
Yes it does sound scary
misty pier
even with all the packing foam it still might arrive broken
solar hinge
if you ship it individual parts in boxes :p
what is the price @zenith sonnet 😛
might have someone
misty pier
true
wheat plume
dissassemble it and ship it to me :P
solar hinge
ouch, when your company was founded in 2015 and the average tenure of your employees is 1year and 3 months 😐
pale sigil
Must be an intel machine
reef patrol
tough stag
ashen spindle
overpriced means there is something providing the same for cheaper which isn't really the case though
ashen spindle
its not?
fair gull
ya its not
im draining my bankaccount as we speak
for mafia which is coming soon
really hyped for it
timid chasm
steams not down here
fair gull
who even plays csgo these days
vagrant marsh
rumor has it the summer sale is supposed to start today. maybe they had problems changing the steam UI
timid chasm
steam stores working for me but other than that it seems almost entirely csgo related
ashen spindle
sale aint starting this week
vagrant marsh
oh ur right
timid chasm
I usually notice when I try to message the friends I don't have
vagrant marsh
its may, not june
fair gull
@timid chasm i feel you
wheat plume
hmm, what are benifits of a custom kernel such as liquorix?
crimson wigeon
"Liquorix is a distro kernel replacement built using the best configuration and kernel sources for desktop, multimedia, and gaming workloads."
wheat plume
I saw that on the website, it sounds really interesting
but I also know about Zen kernel
I need to find a comparision
it seems to only support Ubuntu ad Debian ;-;
the AUR version is some random person's port to Arch
crimson wigeon
Yeah that random person is the guy behind that patchset
wheat plume
seems Linus Torvald's key cant be trusted
crimson wigeon
Besides kernels are rather universal anyway
wheat plume
is this a sign its maybe a bad idea to install this?
crimson wigeon
The solution is to not use the gooey for everything
ashen spindle
are you building the entire thing on your laptop
wheat plume
how long it take? XD
ashen spindle
idk but did you think that would be fast
wheat plume
I thought it would be a compiled version but I think I expected too much from the AUR this time
zenith sonnet
I wouldn't really call Noctua fans overpriced either
Expensive? Hell yes
But do you get your money's worth? Also, yes.
ashen spindle
but the only other ones that are close to equal cost about the same so...
zenith sonnet
I fully expect having to spend almost 500€ on Noctua fans soon D:
split cipher
which case do you have?
ashen spindle
??? are you cooling your entire room or what
wheat plume
I fully expect having to spend almost 500€ on Noctua fans soon D:
@zenith sonnet O.o
zenith sonnet
4x 360mm rads
In two PCs
Regular NF-A12x25 are going for 30€
chromax will probably be 35 or 40€
Given how much trouble they had developing those
split cipher
and painting fans in black xd
zenith sonnet
Pls don't do that
split cipher
i ment noctua with painting their fans in black
wheat plume
I found a release page in their github, its 1.5MB download as a tar.gz file
if I tried to install that would it need to be built ?
surely the kernel isnt only 1.5mb large
5.4MB uncompressed
wheat plume
Ayyyy
my friend got magisk installed without custom recovery :D
im so proud of her
wheat plume
First thing she does is install the module to hide the android 10 navbar and fontchanger to install iOS emojis xd
young flicker
The future is now.
misty pier
like the only thing i kind of want from a sff motherboard is at least spdif support
misty pier
huh all of them are from asrock
vast moss
I'm looking at motherboards since they seem to be all that's left for my pc part checklist, and I'm looking at these two in particular:
https://www.newegg.com/msi-mpg-x570-gaming-edge-wifi/p/N82E16813144261
https://www.newegg.com/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus/p/N82E16813119197
I think I'd prefer the ASUS one because it seems to have better reviews, but the MSI one I can get immediately (it's in stock on the Best Buy site). Would it be a suitable replacement, or should I wait for the ASUS one?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7HQTx6 This is the full part list. Note that I already bought the GPU and it ran me only $260
shadow minnow
@vast moss imo you should wait for Ryzen 3 / Rocket lake S (and buy which will be better)
vast moss
Any particular reason?
ashen spindle
The msi tomahawk is prob one of the best options for your pricerange of boards
The x570 variant i mean
vast moss
WiFi enabled? I can’t do wired from my setup to the router
ashen spindle
Uhh idk
shadow minnow
Cause it is probably going to be more powerful, and have better value. And also with that, prices of older CPUs will be smaller. @vast moss
ashen spindle
Ye but it’s also still 6 months out and the future always has better options
shadow minnow
Yeah that is true. If he did not already buy GPU I think it would have been worth it to wait for AMPERE, because Nvidia GPUs were not refreshed for a long time, and AMPERE will be huge upgrade, but when he already has GPU...
vast moss
I already have a few parts on their way, and I would like to try to get it built soon as a birthday gift to myself
Also, I am trying to maintain something of a budget here, so the latest processors and such are a bit out of reach
Also, I did find a WiFi enabled MSI Tomahawk X570, but no listings on the major retailers acc. my search
zenith sonnet
It's just an example of a multitasking load
ashen spindle
ehh, it's like arguing you should use 720p for cpu tests imo
zenith sonnet
Not really
Having other stuff load the CPU while gaming is much more common than gaming at 720p
Wife has a Stream running while she games like 50% of the time
ashen spindle
no I meant using x264 for streaming is as unlikely
zenith sonnet
And I usually host servers on my machine
Eh, what's your point now?
That there are other ways to do what was done in the benchmark?
It's an example of a load that realistic, and serves the purpose of testing CPUs against each other
Sure, there are other ways to do it
That's why I asked for more of the kind
This could be a worst case, best case, cherry picked, or just about average
ashen spindle
my point is, by now that's not a realistic scenario anymore, I do want more multi tasking benchmarks too, but it's hard to get a good one going
if I understand streaming correctly it pins down more load on the primary core than another realistic multi tasked workload
zenith sonnet
Making it reproducible is the biggest issue
ashen spindle
yeah
zenith sonnet
I mean, playing a game, while discord is open somewhere, displaying a .gif or .webm that someone posted, having the game server run in the background for your multiplayer session, being in a voice call and having some youtube video playing on the other screen
That's happened to me
And it'd be interesting to know how the results differ from the running the benchmark on a clean system
ashen spindle
none of that is really multithreading, aside from client/server running
zenith sonnet
Sometimes you have two instances of a game, or games, running
Right, I also did that, in addition to the above 🤔
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet Playing overwatch is stable at 175fps when nothing else is running. Youtube video on background reduces my fps to 100-120 and very spikey..
this on a 4 core cpu HT OFF
ashen spindle
tf
fickle ore
overwatch is optimized for a 6 core and 4 cores are not enough
old marlin
you basically get that everywhere with 4C 4T atm
was the reason I switched off of a 6600k
fickle ore
might test today with HT ON
and this is with everything lowest possible config
yea, which is why I recommend a 8core these days
zenith sonnet
My 3700X seems to handle such loads quite well
old marlin
8T at least
fickle ore
dunno, have to test
old marlin
if you don't plan to do a lot at once
3300X
basically
if you can afford the 50 euros more for a 3600 it is worth it though
fickle ore
cpu bottleneck sucks ass, nothing u can do
ashen spindle
8600k here and I have none such issues, very surprised overwatch uses more than 4 cores
fickle ore
with gpu u can always lower resolution or setting
zenith sonnet
Maybe it's the cache, but Ryzen seems to see less of an FPS drop, at the same C/T counts
old marlin
could also be ram management
ashen spindle
on higher C/T it makes sense I think bc the ring bus on intel is slower than IF after a few cores
torpid monolith
Yeah bruh running a tab on a 4 core fucks my shit up
pale sigil
XD
fickle ore
yea ryzen generally seems to have better min fps than intel at the same pricepoint but lower avgs
Which is interesting
reef patrol
It's the architecture at play.
old marlin
ashen spindle
no? the cut was due to missplaning for bios memory sizes
man if you are actually trying to argue here" oh yeah it makes sense that they drop support, they want to call this v1 instead of v1.1" f off
zenith sonnet
What?
Those statements don't contradict, but rather support each other
https://www.speedtest.net/result/9504388767.png
Only thing I can complain about is not getting DOCSIS 3.1
wheat plume
cries is 8mb down
vast moss
sobs in 1Mb down
chrome estuary
cries in 6mbps down
young flicker
Man, hoes still mad about B450/X470.
Right. It's impressive how much AMD has been able to eke out of so little but nobody except maybe a niche enthusiast group of about .000001% of users cares how many watts their desktop CPU uses.
Well, and companies that host servers but that's a different beast altogether.
old marlin
ehhhh
logitech has good tech
and delivers fleshed out solutions
the end product isn't all that great though
imo
coral loom
get a rat
pale sigil
k ill buy an applee one
sick creek
@zenith sonnet yikes so i guess all the failed logitech products i've had are "good hardware" 
razer is the "apple" of gaming if you're talking about CEO's because MLT is a steve jobs copycat
all the way down to the shitty outbursts at employees and on-the-spot firings etc
only thing he doesnt have (yet) is pancreatic cancer
reef patrol
Touché
old marlin
lol
razer has some internal problems for sure
they make decent mice though
too bad the deathadder v2 mini is asia only
sick creek
lol internal problems? it's literally just MLT
he is a megalomaniac
there's a reason his company hasnt gone public. he would be voted off the board in 2 seconds
old marlin
lol
well he is teh biggest one
they have some more though
indirectly related to him
sick creek
it trickles down from him
he has set an incredibly shitty example for the rest of his employees
and yet somehow people still think he's akin to a god
old marlin
I mean
I have heard it from people working there
that he is more than just a handful
sick creek
yes i've read many accounts as well
i would never want to work there, ever
oh wait, apparently his company did go public
but the stock price is $0.149 LOL
maybe i'll buy $1000 in razer stock just in case
LMAO
old marlin
lol
wheat plume
First time this double press worked when I had a custom camera app installed
... Also why is it thinking i would want to use Snapchat? Xd
empty wren
Did you set it complete action using Snapchat ALWAYS
wheat plume
Nah
Camera xd
empty wren
Oh
Also the Snapchat option is because at least on Android you can link it link like that probably because it used to use the viewfinder
wheat plume
I'm surprised though because this is a custom camera app
It isn't the one that came with the OS. I'm happy it picked it up and can use it for this shortcut
empty wren
Oh that just works
wheat plume
It's a port of Google camera I like to use
empty wren
How many sensors do you have on the back?
wheat plume
Two
empty wren
Can it utilize both?
wheat plume
I think so
This OS maintainer used a different port to test both sensors.
I should install that one too and compare them
I'm using the san1ty port but it was tested in the pitbul1 port
empty wren
Okay, also speaking of custom roms wish I could use one. Too bad some stock features then do not work.
wheat plume
Everything works fine for me. I know a lot of people have issues with Android Auto in custom roms but I cannot use that app
empty wren
Hmm never used that and doubt I will.
empty wren
oh yeah i heard people incline on that one quite a lot.
Do you have Now Playing?
or Ambient Play whatever it is called
wheat plume
No
There is no rom with that feature
It's literally exclusive to pixels
;_; sadly
Even pixel rom , which makes your phone identify as a pixel 4 doesn't have that feature
empty wren
I see guess the bastards behind the stolen code cannot use it, so apparently there was a now playing feature in one rom
the team the pixel expericence team stole the code
wheat plume
What?
wheat plume
Google always pushed it as a pixel exclusive though
I mean
Custom roms have literally 99% of the pixel phone featured and more except now playing
empty wren
There was a mimic version made by developer
that worked almost identically minus no local library
wheat plume
Oo
empty wren
it was not Now Playing rather Ambient Play or soemthing on that name
wheat plume
The features I really only use on custom roms is the one to make the back gesture ignore the top third of the screen
And also to control media pkayback with the volume buttons when the screen is off
And if it has the option to remove album art from lock screen then I use that too
empty wren
The features I really only use on custom roms is the one to make the back gesture ignore the top third of the screen
Loved that when i tried it
wheat plume
empty wren
it made sense some firmwares even half removing it from one side
wheat plume
This rom also let's you hide the navbar
empty wren
eh i like to have a bar, just not the background
wheat plume
No
It makes the apps has the whole screen except for the status bar at the top
empty wren
yeah i know what it does
wheat plume
eh i like to have a bar, just not the background
@empty wren oh
I read that wrong
empty wren
that is okay
wheat plume
There is a magisk module to to what you said you like actually
wheat plume
I can't stand the longer bar :')
empty wren
you can even make it dot
empty wren
well alright
empty wren
hmm
wheat plume
I love orangefox recovery
And it looks much better than TWRP also
But I know about Seahawk recovery too and that looks super pretty
But it isn't very stable rn so I don't install it
wheat plume
Nope
It's got it's own features too like magisk installer and miui updated manager
And other things like forcing decryption so you don't get into issues with rollback protection
empty wren
seems like a modfied twrp then....
wheat plume
Yes
empty wren
which honestly is a wiser choice
wheat plume
It's really modified
empty wren
i just use twrp themes 🤣🤣🤣
wheat plume
Xdd I didn't even know twrp supported themes
empty wren
it does, there is debugging option for them
wheat plume
Interesting
wheat plume
It's very strange to be in the same telegram channel as the rom maintainer for your phone model
But also great so you can ask them any questions about the rom if you need to
empty wren
i would think so
wheat plume
Actually most rom devs are in it cause it's the xda channel
empty wren
could you search ambient play and see if anything comes up in the settings?
wheat plume
empty wren
wow guess it really is gone, well thanks
wheat plume
I've never seen a rom with that feature
wheat plume
O.o
vast moss
god, if that were me at home I'd just not even bother anymore.
empty wren
I am gonna just wait and download it later
vast moss
Heh, I could use something that fast rn
My speed varies by day, and I don't really use the speedtest as my reference, but I do know that my down with Firefox and Steam goes between 50 and 100 KB/s most days (some days as high as 150 and some as low as 10) and I don't even know (or want to know) my up
so yeah, I'm lucky to break 1 Mbps down, I guess
empty wren
upload usually sucks ass for everyone
vast moss
Yeah, it does
Right now the Internet's working on the slow side so I'm afraid to know my current down 🙃
empty wren
hmm, what is even funny is my carrier speeds were faster than this
vast moss
Yeah, mobile data's faster for me too quite often, but then again, it's hard to lose to less than 1 Mbps down
empty wren
yeah
i honestly would use the school wifi for downloading
or the library's
the school did not like people like me who probably start using game streaming servcies so they banned this year
vast moss
I often go to/near my local library; there I can get 1 - 5 MB/s
empty wren
nice
vast moss
My school put a filter in place to block things that would be distractions for the students, so a lot of game websites and other stuff kids shouldn't see were banned.
Though at university I don't think we have as much of, if any, filter
empty wren
i typed in shell shockers and my browser closed a at school
the next semester he did kinda lift it so i could play though
and also some year, he messed with a kid like: the student moved right and the teacher moved him left
Though at university I don't think we have as much of, if any, filter
that makes sense so long as the university does not censor stuff some do i think
vast moss
Some places might, but I don't think my uni does
empty wren
oh also last year i did play Assassins Creed Odyessy in Chrome and on a chromebook 😂😂😂
empty wren
I can't test it, though, as I've been home for over two months now
yep
like this is really amazing, despite being only having a license on valid there and needing to get new licenses
vast moss
I see
vast moss
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6fm83t Here's the full part list for a build I want to make. Everything's already ordered except the case, mobo, and wireless adapter. Any thoughts on those?
Yes, I was going to do a wireless mobo (I asked about it last night) but it was recommended that I go for a wired one and get an adapter of my own
zenith sonnet
Get a decent PSU. Like seriously, don't buy that
Also, at that price I'd recommend a X570 or B550 Aorus Master (latter not released yet, needs reviews) and G.Skill Trident Z Neo (B-die). But I dunno if it lacks any feature you need
And why is that 1070 Ti so expensive?
Oh, and swap the Evo for an Evo Plus or XPG 8200
And I take it you're waiting for Zen 3?
split cipher
you can put a 2070 super in there
zenith sonnet
Eh, honestly, at this point I recommend waiting on RDNA2 and Ampere
split cipher
me too, but if he wants the pc now
zenith sonnet
The expected leap is too big to invest that much in a card now
shadow minnow
@split cipher he must wait 😄 he will get such abetted value
split cipher
thats right
zenith sonnet
If anything, buy a 5500 to pass the time
shadow minnow
He said he ordered everything 😦
@vast moss refund it 
If u live in EU it should be no problem 14 days from when it comes 😄
vast moss
I live in US
split cipher
return it, if you can...
shadow minnow
What do u mean by wireless adapter for mobo? @vast moss
vast moss
The motherboard doesn't come with built-in WiFi, so I have to get a separate card if I want it (and I do need it)
shadow minnow
@vast moss I think if you did not choose mobo, there should be better options, especially for that price point. I am more interested in z490 mobos, so can not recommend x570 right now, but will take look at it. The one you have chosen has a bit week VRM...
vast moss
Would Z490 even work with Ryzen 3rd gen? I need something with OOB support since I don't have any extra CPUs
vast moss
And I would like to get this built asap
split cipher
z490 is for intel
shadow minnow
Nope, am saying that I am just more interested in z490 cause intel motherboards always get better features 😄
vast moss
I see
vast moss
Any particular reason?
shadow minnow
@vast moss what price do u want that mobo to be?
vast moss
I'd like to not go too far above $200 if possible, better if less tbh
split cipher
there is wifi for you, and its good quality
vast moss
The MSI Viävono just shared is probably right at the tip of my grace period
Ratings were mixed, but if you know the board and trust it, I'll take your word for it
Get a decent PSU. Like seriously, don't buy that
@zenith sonnet Any recommendations, then?
shadow minnow
Gigabyte elite WiFi also looks quite good @vast moss
zenith sonnet
Personally I went for a Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium
But those are like the best units on the market right now
And cost accordingly
zenith sonnet
Otherwise, HXi series?
vast moss
The current PSU is a Corsair already...
shadow minnow
Yeah, but low end, but you should not have problems with that. Corsair usually also cares about low end, so just let psu be.
zenith sonnet
Also, X570 Aorus Master is one of the best X570 boards
Got two, does great
Taichi is a good alternative
shadow minnow
He wants some around 200$
zenith sonnet
Oh
vast moss
Yeah, I'm trying to keep something of a budget here
vast moss
The one in the list was $150 for me, plus $35 for wireless card
shadow minnow
Aorus elite WiFi is good at it’s price point, gamer nexus also recommends it @vast moss
zenith sonnet
It's due in 2 weeks
vast moss
I would like to build this sometime in the first week of June, but if I can find a good budget B550 mobo in two weeks, I could maybe hold off
shadow minnow
Aorus elite currently out of stock on Newegg
@vast moss is hat country do u live in?
vast moss
USA
shadow minnow
Not too many shops I know about there 😄 but will take a look at it
Looks like it is out of stock everywhere 😦
vast moss
Ouch
Also, just noticed what "The one from list was 400" meant, but the mobo was $150 sometime in the past hour
shadow minnow
Yeah, prices of X570 going weird
vast moss
Yeah, it was on Newegg for $150 but it just went out of stock
I could get the MSI one Viavono shared, comes with WiFi and is $210
shadow minnow
Well, aorus elite is for same price, and more recommend 😄
Mean recommended by techtubers 😄
zenith sonnet
Maybe someone fucking up prices because they are confused with B550?
Gigabyte and Asrock are the top manufacturers for AMD boards
vast moss
On Newegg it's out of stock, though 😕
zenith sonnet
B550 is supposed to be released Jun 16
shadow minnow
But amazon and microcenter also out of stock
vast moss
Any chance there'll be a budget B550 mobo around launch?
vast moss
Again, trying to get this ASAP, esp because my birthday's coming up and I kinda want to make this as a gift to myself
Moreover, I don't really want a bunch of parts sitting around for a while
zenith sonnet
Ryzen 3000 XT is above your budget, anyway
Parts are probably out of stock because many people pulled the trigger after Comet Lake brought nothing interesting to the market
Maybe the 10600K for a niche of users
shadow minnow
Parts are probably out of stock because many people pulled the trigger after Comet Lake brought nothing interesting to the market
@zenith sonnet well, comet lake brought interesting mobos to market 🤔 like these new z490 mini its are so good (some of them, like aorus z490i)
zenith sonnet
To be fair, I dunno about Z490, but CML isn't exciting :p
Z490 is supposed to be expensive, though
shadow minnow
That new VRMs (mean 8. 90A on mitx, and few big companies started using 90 A) looks good imo. Also that tantalum gigabyte started using nearly everywhere.
vast moss
What would B550 bring to the table that X570 doesn't already have?
shadow minnow
Better price point
vast moss
Any estimations?
shadow minnow
Nope
vast moss
Hm
shadow minnow
At least from me, but can be 100-150$
But not sure about that
Can be more, I think not less
vast moss
hm
I'm considering picking up an MSI X570 Gaming Edge WiFi for $210
And less than two weeks? Someone else said June 16
Again, I would like to get this up and running as soon as possible, unless it would really be better to wait for B550
Pros/Cons?
As in the MSI Gaming Edge?
shadow minnow
Is it on stock ?
shadow minnow
@vast moss than probably wait, and order aorus elite or MSI one, depends on which one comes first on stock
vast moss
I'll keep following some of the boards to see if any come in stock, unless B550 happens to come first. Xeanoa claims "Gigabyte and ASRock are the top manufacturers for AMD boards"
ashen spindle
literally any of them can be fine, depends on the price range, some just have a shit offering while another one has something good at x$
like msi has both the worst vrm and one of the best vrms on another board
vast moss
hm
ashen spindle
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14161/the-amd-x570-motherboard-overview/39 here is a good overview sorted by features
just look for what you want/need and see if its in stock for you
only thing to not get is the msi x570-A pro
everything else is basically fine
vast moss
Here's what I'm looking for in a motherboard:
(a) budget of up to $200, maybe slightly over if need be
(b) two or more M.2 slots
(c) 802.11ac + Bluetooth (optional; I can get a wireless card if need be)
(d) compatible with Ryzen 3000 OOB
ashen spindle
d is always the case
vast moss
R5 3600
I don't have any other CPUs, so X470 or B450 is out of the question unless I can get one pre-updated
That was the one I mentioned earlier but it just went out of stock for $150
While breaking down in tears, [I] laughed hesitantly
shadow minnow
Is it WiFi?
ashen spindle
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13091/analyzing-b450-for-amd-ryzen-a-quick-look-at-all-the-motherboards/22 heres the list for b450 boards so you can check there for features
vast moss
I originally asked about getting a wireless when Locke recommended no, then the X570 Prime (I think) plus a wireless card and people told me to go integrated WiFi
mixed signals here, aaaa
ashen spindle
well, I'd tell you to get wired :p
shadow minnow
get aorus X570 elite WiFi when it comes in stock
vast moss
hm
So, not ordered by priority, here are the Mobos I've been considering:
ASUS Prime X570-P (+ wireless card)
Gigabyte Aorus Elite (Wi-Fi or no + wireless card)
ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus
MSI X570 Gaming Edge
Currently all are out of stock, and unless B550 comes first, any priority I should establish here for when one or more does?
All right, but what makes you say that?
zenith sonnet
3900X/3950X draw about 140W peak
Unless you do an all-core OC, which isn't recommended anyway
ashen spindle
you barely touch ryzen for overclocking anyway, doesnt do much for a daily system
vast moss
I currently don't intend to OC
ashen spindle
they are all fine, aside from the gaming edge, if you plan to upgrade that one will have potential vrm issues with higher core cpus
zenith sonnet
Only thing that makes sense with Ryzen is to release the current limit, so it can sustain higher all-core clocks
Everything else? Nah
vast moss
I might upgrade the CPU, but that would be a few years off, I think
zenith sonnet
If anything, you'd upgrade to Zen3
vast moss
Unless I find something for which I need more than R5 3600
ashen spindle
then get anything but the gaming edge
zenith sonnet
Think 4900X in three years
vast moss
So strike the Gaming Edge too?
ashen spindle
strike the gaming edge, dont strike the TUF
vast moss
Locke would disagree with the second half of that
zenith sonnet
Strike both?
Gotta start selection somewhere 😄
vast moss
Establishing priority for now
ashen spindle
but the vrms on it are fine and there is nothing else on a board that can cause issues for upgrades
vast moss
hm
I don't know what the first thing I upgrade would be; between 32 GB RAM, GTX 1070 Ti, and R5 3600 I anticipate all of those lasting me a few years
vast moss
Eh, I could use the savings. I've already pushed my budget a bit further than I was originally comfortable with
ashen spindle
well, for cheaper options you need b450 or wait for b550
x570 costs more bc pcie4 adds extra
vast moss
I'd do B450 if I had a spare CPU with which to update the BIOS 🙃
zenith sonnet
But, do switch the EVO for a XPG 8200
shadow minnow
What is that pc mainly for? Gaming or sth else?
ashen spindle
there are multiple versions that already support 3000 out of box on the 450 boards
the msi max series for example
vast moss
What is that pc mainly for?
1080p60 gaming, homework, light music creation and photo editing, Internet browsing, the occasional Prime95 run
zenith sonnet
I wouldn't do B450, if B550 is around the corner, the savings aren't worth missing out on the new chipset features
shadow minnow
Just full had 60? Then you must not spend that much imo 😄
vast moss
But, do switch the EVO for a XPG 8200
Any reason?
zenith sonnet
Faster, cheaper, better
ashen spindle
the point was more that either b series is just cheaper than x570
zenith sonnet
True that
shadow minnow
I mean, no reason for upgrade when ur components are already bottlenecked by Monitor
vast moss
I had someone recommend the 970 Evo for its longevity
ashen spindle
sure wifi 6 and pcie 4 ar eon b550 but he wont need that
vast moss
No? I don't have a local MicroCenter
zenith sonnet
@vast moss You go 970 Pro if you need longevity
vast moss
I can't really travel
shadow minnow
Or Corsair mp510
vast moss
I did just order the 970 Evo, so I can cancel that. Are you sure I should replace it with a XPG 8200?
zenith sonnet
Adata ASX8200PNP-512GT-C
shadow minnow
Not sure
shadow minnow
But SSD prices last winter were so good. 120€ for 1TB Corsair mp510, wish prices will return this winter 😄
vast moss
The SSD will be my boot drive, so good performance and longevity is ideal, but I would like to keep it to $100
vast moss
I guess $75 isn't bad (US store)
Esp when the 970 Evo was $100
Also, just to confirm, is this case ok? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074RC5BWV
I can get some case fans in case the one rear isn't enough
It says it can hold the GPU, and I would go for a mid-tower if possible
or if referring to the fans, the data sheet says 120mm and I found 120mm
Milkcrate?
It's definitely something
vast moss
A little larger in a few dimensions than I'd like, but it does look fascinating
But if I weren't to take the Milkcrate, is the Cougar still an OK choice?
zenith sonnet
I think not
But don't quote me on that
I'm not really informed about budget cases
vast moss
usually
ashen spindle
its fine, has some airflow, 3600 doesnt need 5 fans for airflow
zenith sonnet
APISAK reports that the 3800XT scores 25135 points in the FireStrike physics test.
Sounds legit
vast moss
"3600 doesnt need 5 fans for airflow"
The 1070 Ti might, and I could probably benefit from some for the M.2 drives I intend to put in
(I can grab extra case fans too, though)
zenith sonnet
With PBO set to +200 MHz, no current limits, and tweaked to hell and back RAM, I was able to squeeze 24400 points out of the 3700X
ashen spindle
nah m2 drives dont care, the gpu is fine enough too, case is good for yours
zenith sonnet
Dis a good bin, that 3800XT
vast moss
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GxFtYH is my current list.
(a) I would get the motherboard once it's back to $150, unless B550 comes first
(b) I got the GPU for $260
(c) I'd rather not spend much more if possible
Any more suggestions? (tbh I feel like we came full circle but also not)
zenith sonnet
Still not comfortable with the PSU, otherwise, looks alright
vast moss
The PSU is something. I could maybe get an EVGA BR 600W for a bit less, but I'm trying to not do more than $100 on PSU
zenith sonnet
How much is a Corsair 550W RMx?
vast moss
Still not comfortable with the PSU, otherwise, looks alright
I don't know if I asked already (if I did, I forgot), but reason?
$200 for the 2018 model
zenith sonnet
o.O
vast moss
no price given on the other 550W RMx
zenith sonnet
Goes for 104€ over here
ashen spindle
yea list is fine
vast moss
https://www.newegg.com/asus-pce-ac55bt-b1-pci-express/p/N82E16833320333 forgot about this, add this in if I go for a wired-only mobo. Is this OK too?
Good question, I don't know, maybe if I find something I can pair to my computer (like my headphones if I want to listen to music from across the room)
Also game peripherals, yes
namely Switch Pro Controller and DualShock 4
Can it? I had no problem hooking up the Pro-Con and DS4 simultaneously for co-op Hat in Time with my laptop
I see. I don't think I would do audio + con together, anyway
I see.
But what of WiFi?
shadow minnow
Your psu was ok, just maybe choose 650w version to futureproof a bit
ashen spindle
nah 550w is plenty enough
vast moss
So as it is, all that's left is to wait for mobo to come back in stock or see if B550 comes first
Everything else has been ordered...
timid chasm
You got a 1070 ti for 260?
vast moss
Yea
timid chasm
jesus
vast moss
Used, but $260
timid chasm
holy crap that board is pricey. Is that worth the money?wtf
vast moss
Well, $240, but then shipping and taxes
And no, I'm going to wait till it hits $150 again (it went out of stock)
vast moss
or till B550 comes out, whichever comes first
timid chasm
my buddy and I went B450 Pro4's from AsRock. 181 now but I don't remember what their price was
90 it looks like for mine
vast moss
I would do B450 but I'd need OOB support for Ryzen 3000, which is hard if not impossible to come by on the chipset unless I get used (though B550 is around the corner so maybe not)
timid chasm
get it from Amazon stock and it most likely has it
He put a 3600 in his and I put a 3700x in mine
ashen spindle
any b450 MAX from msi also has it as factory default
timid chasm
By now most decent places should have boards that have been updated already
But if you need it guaranteed on delivery then sure. Otherwise get an upgrade kit from AMD or try and contact amazon to confirm 3000 compatible out of the box
vast moss
How much would an upgrade kit be?
ashen spindle
nothing, just time/dealing with support
vast moss
hm
timid chasm
It's just an old supported cpu and you upgrade the bios with it
vast moss
I see
reef patrol
Upgrade kits? What upgrade kits 😄
vast moss
Upgrading the BIOS on B450 motherboards to support Ryzen 3rd Gen
reef patrol
I honestly thought they stopped shipping those.
vast moss
There might be a few left over
reef patrol
Hard to find old stock with 2000 BIOS these days.
ashen spindle
they barely do it bc as mansen said most are now updated before you buy them
vast moss
I see
https://www.newegg.com/asus-pce-ac55bt-b1-pci-express/p/N82E16833320333
https://www.newegg.com/asus-pce-ac58bt-pci-express/p/N82E16833320386
Between these two cards, which would be a better buy? Or should I find a different wireless adapter?
hm
I suppose I have a while to ponder it and find others since the mobo isn't in stock at a decent price yet (if ever again)
I should maybe sleep, though; it's almost 5 AM and I have been up and at this all night
reef patrol
Same card 😄
reef patrol
Maybe a tiny difference.
I'd pick the 2100 though
The real irony is that it's a wifi addin card, ADDED to a PCI-E Addin card 😄
vast moss
a couple pandas?
hm
I see
I suppose that if I get a USB I can attach it to my older computers too when I use them
Speaking of, I think I recall your sending a link to a USB hub; I followed it but it said an error occured
that one, yes
Oh, there it is now
$66, huh
Looks really nice but quite pricey there
guess so
hm
I see
Anyway, yeah, sleep time. Guess I'll keep these tabs open awhile and check again later
night
wheat plume
Wdym USB C is shit???
split cipher
cheap usb-c hubs are shit
orchid river
Strictly theoretical question: would it be possible to create low profile flaretech switches?
may be dumb but im just wondering if their inner construction even allows that
torpid monolith
You guys hear about the rumored launch of some AMD video cards this coming September?
ashen spindle
you mean the big navi cards that are expected for about a year now? :p yes
torpid monolith
Yeah
And the cpu refresh
I feel weird about it being called XT I kinda don't want that.
Hope the name is just a rumour
ashen spindle
I dont care lol better xt than xx or whatever
split cipher
or x+
torpid monolith
Ye fair
vast moss
ASUS Prime mobo's back in stock on Newegg; pull the trigger?
ashen spindle
which prime was it again
vast moss
I see
hm, must have been just one unit or smth because it was already picked up. Dang, waiting time agian
misty pier
stock is so low for everything haha
vast moss
Yeah, it was in stock for just a little bit but now it's sold out again
The mobo is the last part I need for my build, too
well, also the wireless adapter or card, depending on which I get
misty pier
can't run hardwire?
vast moss
Setup and router are in different rooms, and I don't think I can run a wire between them
misty pier
ah gotcha
some people use a powerline solution to hardwire their room
not the most fastest, but it is kind of reliable somewhat
vast moss
Powerline solution?
split cipher
powerline adapters. but there are not safe
vast moss
What about them isn't safe? I suppose the fact that it runs data along the electrical wiring?
vagrant marsh
well, im never gonna attempt to install overclocking software ever again
my pc was acting weird. sometimes it was stuck in a boot cycle. happened since i installed ryzen master. uninstalled it, thought that was the end of it. probably not. just did a windows reset and only now do i notice my pc is running normally again
ashen spindle
are you sure you only installed it and didnt change anything
that doesnt sound like you only installed it
vagrant marsh
ofcourse i used it. i did the auto overclocking
so appearently those settings still stuck somewhere maybe and caused all kinds of troubles
ashen spindle
well yeah of course...
uninstalling doesnt remove oc' settings unless there is an option for that...
vagrant marsh
well i thought it would. i mean, ive resetted my bios. my bios resetted itself XD i thought that was the end of it
fallow lake
Those settings are changed in the registry, you'll need to reinstall, set everything to default, uninstall and then restart.
vagrant marsh
i forgot registry -.-
ashen spindle
or just do it in bios so everything is only there
vagrant marsh
yea, im not gonna use software ever again.
fallow lake
Doing is BIOS is always better than software.
vagrant marsh
first and last time
ashen spindle
then again apparently some amd stuff works better in master than bios iirc
fallow lake
IIRC software can really only control voltage to the board, so it's not true OC.
ashen spindle
nah that's how it was years ago
vagrant marsh
yea. ryzen master can even change your memory clock while in windows
because bios is no longer bios but UEFI, its more advanced nowadays
but fuck that shitty program. never gonna use it ever again :p
how i missed those green bars
ashen spindle
nah I'd read up about it, there was definitely some stuff the reviewers said works only in master I just dont remember what
vagrant marsh
the turbo boost thing. if you set it in bios directly, it will be stuck to that clock. so if i put my 3600 on 4.3, it will stay at 4.3, while if you let ryzen master overclock, it will boost till 4.3.
i mean, from what ive seen on gamers nexus, the difference between a stock 3600 and one clocked to 4.3 is like, 1 or 2 frames in games XD so obviously overclocking a 3600 has no real use to it
WHY EPIC SO BAD
the epic launcher doesnt auto detect the already installed games
steam did 😦 but epic launcher doesnt
this is so tiresome
vagrant marsh
wawai?
vagrant marsh
i thought it was hu-a-wei
ugh. why couldnt they call it something simple like bob's phone service
empty wren
Yeah it does work, no gapps on my Nexus 6P.
wheat plume
Nexus 6C
ashen spindle
yeah I wonder why the chinese company called itself something that is probably very simple in chinese 🤔
zenith sonnet
Ryzen Master is probably the best monitoring software I ever used
And it wouldn't overclock anything unless you explicitly use it to change settings to overclocked ones
Some boards do that by default, though
Like, turn on PBO
vast moss
I have Vanced but ads show up on the feed; maybe I should downgrade to ver. 14 but I can't figure out which archive is right
young flicker
As someone who's been using Gmail since you still needed an invite, by the end of the year I'm going to have an alternative to Gmail, most likely my own email server, and then I'm going to drop everything Google for good. I'm sick of their shit. Even the search engine is garbage.
vast moss
I still use YouTube, and while I do occasionally use Gmail, I've been gradually moving over to ProtonMail
Why's that?
young flicker
I'd like to know as well out of curiosity.
I'm even going to host my own Searx instance. I've only seen a little bit but it appears to be superior to Google search in every way.
vast moss
I don't have the expertise to set up my own mail server, and even if I did, I don't have the speeds to constantly download new mail
young flicker
There's a difference between having control versus a company effectively reading all of your personal correspondence for fucking "marketing" at best.
Also while I don't think you were talking about me personally, deriding everyone with legitimate privacy concerns as paranoid hippies is dumb as hell.
warped idol
I kinda wonder, the technology that the wooting keyboard uses would be perfect for a 35% keyboard. Just imagine the q key becoming a 1 if you don't press it down fully to the second actuation point, that would get rid of the need for a fn key on these small keyboards 🤔
How come flaretech/proximity switches haven't been used by hobbyists and other manufacturers yet
young flicker
Fuck 'em, while I generally agree with them unless you're going to set up your own server then ProtonMail is probably about as good as it gets - I assume. I haven't been following.
vast moss
ProtonMail and Tutanota are the ones I hear recommended by people trying to keep their data away from companies that would use it for "Marketing"
vast moss
Looks like the X570 mobo I was looking at will be on back-order for 1-2 weeks; I suppose I should wait to see when it comes back in stock in case it's right before B550 boards launch?
vagrant marsh
@young flicker real men still use hotmail
i dunno. i got a gmail account because so far, google has been the most convenient for me. it makes random passwords for me, it stores those passwords, and i had to reinstall windows just now, i just install chrome, log in and boom, its like i was never gone.
but im not actually using hte mail part. unless im banned from somewhere with my hotmail account, then i can always use the gmail account to make a new one
same way i use facebook. i got facebook, but i dont use it. my account will show an imaginative name, and i only use it for fast account creation
young flicker
Yeah it's convenient but that convenience comes at a price.
vagrant marsh
what is the price?
ashen spindle
lol imagine thinking not actively using facebook means fb isn't tracking you
young flicker
lol imagine being such a defeatist that you use garbo logic like that
vast moss
Heck, even if you don't have an account, Facebook still makes a profile of you
young flicker
The price is your privacy and giving Google more control than they deserve.
vast moss
As they say, "If you aren't paying for the product..."
young flicker
You can lose your whole email account for any reason, even one unrelated to your actual email account.
vagrant marsh
i know about the tracking, and the 'pixel trackers' and stuff like that. but it hasnt hurt me so far
reef patrol
jumps in
I still trust Gmail to keep my mails intact more than if I paid for my own domain and mailserver 😄
reef patrol
That's not quite what I said though 😛
young flicker
Of course they'll keep them intact, they need to draw their "marketing" data from them.
If it was just an issue of uptime and keeping backups of course Gmail would destroy everything else.
vagrant marsh
gmail is a service provided by google, and google isnt exactly known to go down easily, or hacked easily, or ddossed easily, so i can trust that i can get into my gmail account 24/7 without inconvenience. same with my hotmail accounts. microsoft got good servers, no doubt about it.
sure, they sometimes do stuff, and hten you hear about it. "your info gets sold bladibladibla" but so far, none of that news seem to have affected me personally. so what if you see an ad that shows you cars you just searched for? what do you rather want to see, essential dildo's from amazon?
young flicker
wHaT dO yOu HaVe To HiDe?!?!?
empty wren
The price is your privacy and giving Google more control than they deserve.
Google deserves the right the lock you out of the email or even delete the email you use for everything for no reason at all though.
ashen spindle
sure if you are fine with what you pay you do you, but "it hasn't hurt me yet so it can't be bad?" is just a horrible stance
vagrant marsh
not really. i use vpn same as the next person. however, as a citizen of the united netherlands, im able to get away with certain illegal practices even if i wouldnt use a vpn but lets not cough cough dabble into such talks
reef patrol
I care more about knowing my mails don't bounce because of downtime (or I lose them altogether) than having Gmail read my mails.
It's not like I haven't already signed away my privacy with every other service I use already 😄
vagrant marsh
yea. the moment you use windows, they store stats of you. when you buy a car, your government knows where you are. heck, in britain every highway got security cams that follow you along the entire way
dont hear you making an issue about that
young flicker
@empty wren I can't 100% tell if you're being sarcastic but I think you are. If you are then that's some high quality sarcasm.
Do you really expect me to sit in here bitching about every privacy violation one after the other.
I have mentioned Windows 10's intrusiveness in the past. Good argument.
vagrant marsh
right
empty wren
If anybody was so concerned about privacy, putting it first place they would use Linux maybe the Kali flavor. You can build your own security with it and even test it out of the box.
ashen spindle
regulation is the issue not like people are saying nothing should use your data
ofc the state needs your data for some stuff if you buy a house area or whatever, universal facerecognition on every street on the other is not needed
young flicker
Agreed. Obviously.
vagrant marsh
then who am i, as the average joe that doesnt even care have to add to that 😛 i mean, im only 30 years old, been playing games before i could talk properly, been using the internet all my life. im not dead, no1 has entered my bank account yet, and im financially doing well. oh no, microsoft selling my data, maybe they will find out i watch weird fetish porn.
dapper ridge
how else will they create the Disto... I mean utopian future we all crave?
we need more cameras
and tracking chips
empty wren
and tracking chips
Already being tested by people.
dapper ridge
it's for the best
vagrant marsh
didnt trump like, yesterday, say they need to heavily regulate twitter, or even ban it, simply because twitter said stuff he said wasnt true? 😛
young flicker
This apathetic attitude is just regular pathetic in my opinion and is how Orwellian dystopias will pop up - or become normalised, as more than a nation or two are already on the verge. (Ignoring China and the like.)
vagrant marsh
i mean, democracy already seems to be fragile as heck
at the same time, we fear china becomes the new world power, while at the same time we crave cheap stuff and keep asking china to make cheap stuff.
so we like to exploit china for hteir cheap and expendable labor, but we just dont want to deal with the communism
empty wren
didnt trump like, yesterday, say they need to heavily regulate twitter, or even ban it, simply because twitter said stuff he said wasnt true? 😛
A lot media just uses clickbait or just reuses the same topic going over in the same, I cannot blame Trump wanting regulation on that. Too bad for him it will not happen. First Amendment states freedom of press.
young flicker
"Oh no, maybe they will find out I watch weird fetish porn" is a legitimate fucking concern if you were to, say, RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.
Just ONE example. Jesus it's not that fucking complicated just because it doesn't happen directly to you.
young flicker
Running for public office? You know that less than 1% controls the lives of almost 100%, right?
dapper ridge
not people
young flicker
@empty wren Trump is a whiny crybaby, he only wants that because they fact checked him. Dude is a bitch.
dapper ridge
build the wall
😉
make mexico pay
I know he failed his first term you guys
but he totes will get it his second try
vagrant marsh
so if i was some famous fellah running for presidency, lets say, kanye west, i say, im gonna let myself be elected as a president candidate, then sure, you need to watch your security. but usually, people like them has pulled alot of batshit crazy stuff, that ofcourse they want to hide, but htey shouldnt have done it in hte first place.
empty wren
Trump is a whiny crybaby, he only wants that because they fact checked him. Dude is a bitch.
Okay fair point as well. Though there is some bad media out there anyways.
young flicker
When Kaepernick was kneeling he was all "WHAT AN UNPATRIOTIC COWARD, NFL KICK HIM OUT" now it's all "COMPANIES CAN'T REGULATE FREE SPEECH REEEEE."
dapper ridge
@empty wren Sensationalism at its finest
ashen spindle
so you basically just said, if you do something you dont want others to know, you should just not do it, instead of expecting other people to not go into your privacy
vagrant marsh
besides, arnt americans voting those people into office? trump didnt exactly forced himself into the white house
he got elected
and thats the beauty of it
americans voted a batshit crazy person into the white house, who loves his twitter
dapper ridge
it was a practical joke I swear
vagrant marsh
thats 1 heck of a joke
dapper ridge
vagrant marsh
vagrant marsh
the joke continues!
empty wren
Machines pff, it is the electoral college.
young flicker
He lost the popular vote by millions. The Electoral College is its own beast but just as yet another example, giving private companies COUGH Cambridge Analytica COUGH all of this private personal information to manipulate people could never be bad, nooooo.
dapper ridge
inb4, the next election has the liberals blaming the coronavirus for trump winning the next election and pointing fingers at China for masterminding it
young flicker
Nah we liberals know that Biden is just shit. Not that Trump won't try to play dirty anyway.
ashen spindle
ok we are getting quite a bit away from privacy in technology
vagrant marsh
privacy in technology. letting your baby monitor getting hacked by some ruski
dapper ridge
decided on a different topic
empty wren
I almost wrote a research paper called "Is it time for privacy to die?"
Quantum cryptography would change that forever if what we know so far is true.
young flicker
My complete layman's understanding of quantum computing indicates that it would make digital privacy literally impossible.
dapper ridge
well, step one is you have to become and expert and host everything yourself and not use a single thing on the internet that could track you
empty wren
My complete layman's understanding of quantum computing indicates that it would make digital privacy literally impossible.
What makes you say that?
ashen spindle
so far we have people say it makes any non quantum crypto useless, others say it doesnt change a thing basically
we are way too far away from actually using it in any way
dapper ridge
I've heard some cyclic 256 encryptions would be defeated really easily by quantum computing, but that is as much as I have heard
empty wren
we are way too far away from actually using it in any way
I agree
young flicker
Basically from what I know you'd be able to crack any encryption in exponentially less time than today. For a completely off the cuff example encryption that would be practically impossible to crack now, taking thousands of years, would be cracked in a year or something like that.
dapper ridge
well, I dont think that is true
vagrant marsh
cant you just throw a threadripper against it?
dapper ridge
however some encryptions are definately subject
vagrant marsh
i mean, with the advances in chips n stuff. 4 cores 8 threads was something that wasnt even that mainstream, but was the average max that you could have back in 2015/2016
now, we got cpu's with over 20 cores
ashen spindle
man if it works, quantum tech is far beyond just going from 4 to 20 cores lmao
young flicker
Cold fusion has been 30 years away for 80 years. I don't expect we'll ever see that shit.
vagrant marsh
hell, i first wanna see those promising thorium power plants. yes, china makes a prototype. thats it
vagrant marsh
exactly
dapper ridge
and it makes the atmosphere really nice and smokey, gives it that smokey smell we all crave
young flicker
And it goes off into the sky and becomes stars.
dapper ridge
I dont know enough science to disprove you
vagrant marsh
i mean. in the netherlands, there was a discussion going on about green energy. in this case, bio energy. burning old plant life and using that to power electricity. so lets say, nutshells from brazil. how are those transported? using huge freaking containerships burning thousands of liters of diesel and leaving a whole stream of oil
yea, thats real eco friendly
dapper ridge
even if we do get quantum computing though, we will just replace modern encryptions with new ones
vagrant marsh
sure. everything evolves
young flicker
I Googled it really, really quickly and that's pretty much what it said.
What I said is true for RSA and encryption like that but other methods will supposedly be fine.
empty wren
i mean. in the netherlands, there was a discussion going on about green energy. in this case, bio energy. burning old plant life and using that to power electricity. so lets say, nutshells from brazil. how are those transported? using huge freaking containerships burning thousands of liters of diesel and leaving a whole stream of oil
Had a navy guy come last year to my chemistry class discussed a neutron star on earth.
vagrant marsh
say what?
young flicker
We could have nuclear today but it scares idiots.
empty wren
lets not do nuclear they burry the excess material in the mountains
dapper ridge
nuclear = nuclear bomb right
vagrant marsh
going nuclear is the quickest and most viable option to stop using fossil fuels to provide electricity.
dapper ridge
and nuclear waste from nuclear plants = super deadly right?
young flicker
Plus there's a lot of it, right?
vagrant marsh
hell yea
dapper ridge
NuClEaR pOwEr Is BaD
empty wren
say what?
They want to have an enclosed small artifical nuetron on earth somewhere.
dapper ridge
ah yes
vagrant marsh
thats why we need those thorium plants. its a little GrEeNeR than nuclear plants
dapper ridge
neutron star on earth
next thing we know is the atmosphere goes up in flames
and we finish off what life we had not yet driven to extinction
vagrant marsh
hell, you wont even notice your death
young flicker
At that point let's just build a Dyson Sphere, fuck it.
dapper ridge
I say we build a teenyverse
empty wren
next thing we know is the atmosphere goes up in flames
Yeah that is hopefully why they do not go f****** with that
dapper ridge
the next great filter is trying to make a sun on earth
vagrant marsh
isnt that what we are trying with fusion power?
dapper ridge
to a degree
empty wren
actually yes Jeruzalem now that i recall that is exactly that
dapper ridge
however it is more like a bigger florecent light bulb if my understanding about fusion power is correct, and it cannot create a runnaway reaction
shadow minnow
dapper ridge
click bait
ashen spindle
that video title is neither telling me what the result is, or even what the topic even is
so yes, click bait
dapper ridge
because I would rather a title be just "Intel 10900K/Overclock testing"
young flicker
I skipped to the last three quarters. 95 degrees Celsius.
misty pier
very warm
dapper ridge
thats about as warm as my fanless laptop
misty pier
could cook eggs on it
young flicker
5.2 GHz.
dapper ridge
pretty meh overclock ngl
young flicker
Regular-ass 240 AIO.
empty wren
lol my brain runs at 7mhz
Ever heard of overclocking?
dapper ridge
not sure if that is sarcastic or not
empty wren
it is
dapper ridge
thank god
yall read bout this:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/discord-client-turned-into-a-password-stealer-by-updated-malware/
shadow minnow
@young flicker u skipped badly 😄
It was on auto voltage
So info for u - 10900K:
Stock at 280mm AIO: 40-45C
5.2 GHZ : 60-65 C
With Cinebench R20
dapper ridge
not bad
shadow minnow
That is what I am saying
dapper ridge
my Ryzen cant do that
shadow minnow
But people are just meme-ing how bad the temps are while the temps are good 😄
vast moss
What's your Ryzen, Tayko?
vast moss
Oh, cool. I've been getting parts for a build of my own and I have an R5 3600 on the way
dapper ridge
I love it tbh
Ive been an intel lover for the past 6 years
but
decided to try AMD again
I dont regret it
vast moss
My current laptop has an i7-7500U, but for my desktop I'm going to AMD for CPU
dapper ridge
yeah, unfortunately all my laptops run intel for support reasons
dapper ridge
my last laptop could have been a ryzen 3000, but I decided against it because linux kernel support was literally a dumpster fire at that point
fairly certain I'd be fine now tho
maybe my next labby top
unless intel
ashen spindle
yeah but your current cpu is better than ryzen 3000 wouldve been
renoir is 4000, before that laptop variants werent great
dapper ridge
in my laptop Im running an i5 8600H I think?
shadow minnow
@dapper ridge about that arcticle, no mention about mobile phone discords 😄
empty wren
I want to see more ARM laptops and with better support
ashen spindle
same, I do also not want laptops with still bad cpus
reef patrol
The fun kind.
empty wren
ultrabook one most likely
dapper ridge
I mean hoestly it works real nice
ashen spindle
low power variant
dapper ridge
gives my laptop all the power I need
and it is pretty well supported by the linux kernel
so running with it is smooth
empty wren
gives my laptop all the power I need
empty wren
is that enough power 2x 1080 tis