and better gpu at some point doesnt give you more frames if you stay at 1080 or lower
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
if the game logic runs slower than the graphic, you cant get higher fps by having a faster graphic processor
split cipher
that is right, but if the latency is lower than your refresh rate/ fps, you cant notice it
fickle ore
lol plz
pale sigil
Imagine caring so much tbh
ashen spindle
yeah how dare we enjoy a topic
split cipher
aka nobody xd
pale sigil
Unless you're actually doing exports why sweat
ashen spindle
it doesnt hurt you so why care if someone does
like are people not allowed to get 1% more if they care enough about it
pale sigil
I don't im just saying I don't get it and saying what I think
ashen spindle
if you play a game for multiple hundreds or thousands of hours, you dont need to be at pro level to just have a better experience from better hardware etc.
old marlin
If you run as a sports
Why care about distance or times
If you don't do it ultracompetetively it doesn't matter
ashen spindle
sure, but getting good running shoes just make it more enjoyable for you even if you dont get 50s faster times on a 100m sprint
just the amount it matters at a lower level diminishes, but doesn't go away completely
warped dove
New generations of GPUs must provide better response times and stuff tho, I don't know exactly what, but something
split cipher
more fps, at least. if you are not limited by the cpu
ashen spindle
tbh the most interesting part of Ampere is already known, big, split up L2 cache that makes it look like a step towards chiplet design for gpu
old marlin
well it is closer to tying your shoes tighter to get a better time
it doesn't cost you anything
you don't really loose anything
you just get a slightly better result
the comparison
yea
reducing settings doesn't cost anything
you don't loose really anything
not like esports titles look good on maxed settings
and gain a slight advantage
depending on person the advantage can be instantly noticeable
well it is
but you don't necessarily have to swap
to get a slightly better result
it's like trying to drive a race with teh A/C on
sure a faster car gets a better result
but turning the A/C off still improves your performance
true
you also get less cucked by denuvo 
3300X is unlikely to be beaten price/performance tbh
as long as you don't make use of more threads
you get over 3600X performance
fickle ore
cause if 8 ccx is athing with zen 3 then 4300x might not be one CCX, so 3300x might actually beat 4300x
😛
That would be a bit weird 3300x > 4300x
old marlin
well
ashen spindle
wait what why would 4300 not be one ccx
ashen spindle
esp not for such a lower power one
fickle ore
but its 20% denser than current 7nm so it might be an issue, with 200mhz higher clocks on zen 3 O.o
we'll see
fickle ore
that quoted 17% IPC.. I wonder if that included the CCX change or not.. If it did then it's not that big of a change over zen 2
ashen spindle
we dont really know enough about cache changes and all else to guess about how ccx changes work out
given it's said to be a similar or bigger improvement than zen2>zen was I think it will be not small
fickle ore
30% faster than zen 2 for gaming 😛
ashen spindle
could be, since its higher ipc + higher clocks
fickle ore
higher cache too
fickle ore
right
Kinda on the fence about upgrading, due to DDR5 and PCIE 5, knowing that i'll have to upgrade again in 3 years
But I can't wait anymore on my sandybridge
ashen spindle
meh, pci5 wont matter for consumers for a while, we only just started pcie4 and that will only benefit us bc ps5 ssd really
fickle ore
Well increased bandwith -> reduced latency but only so slightly
Even with current graphics card you can move the information slightly faster between CPU -> parts
Unless you need redriver chips due to increased signal noise ratio
ashen spindle
I'll definitely go the zen3 + probably ampere route later this year, so if I get stuck in home office again afterwards I can do more lmao
and because I need to gradually lower the graphics to keep hitting my 100fps lmao
pale sigil
I lower it to but destiny is weird
If I have my graphics lower it won't use my GPU as much and j get less fps
But if I max it out I get more
Wot
I have 1440p on a 1070to
And a lot of games I don't have issues pushing over 100
Except for eye candy games like red dead
Which requires me to play high
ashen spindle
well my 1440p is ultrawide :p so its 3440x1440
reef patrol
Naw.
You have to literally agree to a form that says you know what you're doing, before you can download these BIOS updates.
AMD are making sure average customers will never update to these by accident. You have to knowingly do it.
fickle ore
reasonable
zenith sonnet
You know how that works. Anybody that doesn't understand what's being said will just agree
reef patrol
You have to visit a website and do it.
fickle ore
probably said website checks whether you have zen 3 or not X_x
reef patrol
99% of users never do that.
ashen spindle
its literally the same as b450 and zen2 etc
reef patrol
Honestly this is the best solution possible - Giving enthusiasts and (OEM) techs the ability to force the upgrade.
And prevents accidental bricking.
The motherboards simply cannot contain that many CPUs.
ashen spindle
prob will have upgradekits like last time etc.
reef patrol
I doubt it.
The upgrade kits were hilariously expensive for AMD. This is a "So if you agree to this thing we void all warranty. Your dumb fault."
zenith sonnet
What about those boards being sold second hand?
zenith sonnet
And the buyer to understand what it means
reef patrol
Not AMDs or manufacturer's issue.
reef patrol
It is pretty simple to say "I updated it so it only runs 4000 series CPUs"
zenith sonnet
They may look at the spec page of the manufacturers website, see their CPU supported, and not understand what it implies if the seller mentions the update
reef patrol
That... still is on seller/buyer 😄
reef patrol
If I had a car I changed parts in, I'd still be on the hook for any changes and having to mention it to a buyer.
I wish - I don't work at the puter' store anymore.
zenith sonnet
Whatcha doing then?
reef patrol
But yeah - Definitely seeing some 4000 series CPUs being sold due to bad private sales and dumb users 😄
Currently unemployed.
ashen spindle
so it's basically the same as last time there was a bios update needed, minus upgrade kits right?
reef patrol
Yup.
This time (nothing final) you will go to a website with a big, fat, warning and a "I hereby sign over my ability to complain loudly" before being able to download the BIOS updates that turn it into a 4000 series board.
ALL boards will ship with 3000 series as far as I understand?
young flicker
Just got my monitor! Hypeeee
split cipher
which one?
young flicker
The LG 34GN850-B.
split cipher
young flicker
I know, right! I'm not sure it's even supposed to be sold here yet but B&H had it listed so I snagged it. My first ultrawide. Cyberpunk is going to be so awesome on it!
Unfortunately I haven't put my rig together yet so I can't really put it through its paces lol.
split cipher
when will you put it together?
young flicker
I only need headphones *and a mic, and some things for the water cooling loop so hopefully within the next week or two.
split cipher
which hardware is in there?
young flicker
In an O11 Dynamic XL: ASUS Crosshair VIII Hero, AMD 3950X, 4x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo 3600 16-16-16-36 B die, an eVGA 2080 Ti, 2x2TB 970 Evo Plus, an eVGA 1000W Titanium PSU.
misty pier
that's a lot of high end components in one box
young flicker
I know, I can't wait. To be fair it's my first build in about a decade.
misty pier
what are you using it for?
young flicker
Oh and I forgot to mention the EK waterblocks for the 2080 Ti, and the EK Quantum Magnitude nickel + plexi for the CPU.
misty pier
pretty impressive though, how much is the total?
young flicker
I'll be looking at some dev work as well but nothing major right off the bat.
Oh, and the 011D G1 distro plate as well.
misty pier
😳
misty pier
can't imagine how much you'd be paying for taxes at that point
young flicker
Oh that includes tax thankfully lol.
misty pier
ah alright
taxes were not kind to me when i started building my computer last year around uhh
when the zen 2 and rtx super were launching
young flicker
I'm in the U.S., where are you?
misty pier
US as well
young flicker
Ah. I'm in Ohio so I'm not sure how it compares to the rest of the country but our sales tax is about 7.5%.
What did you end up going with?
misty pier
for hardware?
young flicker
Yeah.
misty pier
the 3700x and the 2070 super
young flicker
Niceeee. For a pure gaming build that's probably the sweet spot.
misty pier
would've opted for the 5700 xt but they only had blower cards at launch
young flicker
I'm sure you heard about the driver issues, too.
misty pier
yeah i was aware
young flicker
Hopefully AMD is super competitive this generation, I would've loved to go with them.
My first (built) computer was an Athlon 3200 and an X800 XL lol.
misty pier
my older computer i used has the rx 580 and that thing is a champ
never built my own computer until last year
young flicker
It's fun, isn't it.
Not to mention satisfying.
I felt like a 1337 hacker when I built my first one.
misty pier
yeah i wanted an extra challenge going with a small form factor case
young flicker
Oh Lord.
misty pier
plus i don't really look forward to expanding my system later on
just something with ample amounts of storage and power
young flicker
Sounds like it'll be a good fallback computer in about 5 years too. You know, for guests or multiboxing, maybe a web server or personal data hosting. Which case did you get? (Be right back, gotta run and grab food.)
misty pier
phanteks enthoo evolv itx
split cipher
thats a cute case
misty pier
yeah its small
ashen spindle
normally I'd say wait for computex
but uh, yeah
jesus, yes upgrade this year lmao
misty pier
you deserve something better
ashen spindle
so indirectly microsoft is supporting direct x on linux now, and tries to get cuda to work on it to
old marlin
BOOO M$ BAD
crimson wigeon
absolutely proprietary
young flicker
That's why I went with this ultrawide, @prisma crag .
When the 1152 zone displays have been out for a little bit I'll snag one of those.
Also, I feel like DirectX on Linux is HUGE.
ashen spindle
it's a step
young flicker
Are those distros? I've got no experience with and only tangential knowledge of Linux.
ashen spindle
WSL is the Linux built into windows
young flicker
Ah. The name implies that it's the other way around.
I didn't know Windows had Linux in it.
crimson wigeon
Also I find it funny that they're using Wayland for GUI app support, imagine that it being the default on Windows before Linux
wheat plume
Wayland works fine as long as you dont have a Nvidia GPU
although it lacks some features that Xorg has
wheat plume
FUCKING FINALLY
zenith sonnet
@young flicker Why not the O11 XL distro plate that came out recently? Even comes with a D5 pump
Also, unless you need it right now, I'd wait for next gen CPUs and GPUs that will launch this summer
Even if it's just for price drops on the current gen hardware you picked
young flicker
Do you have a link? The only one I’ve seen is the G1, the front distro plate I saw was for the regular O11.
I got a really good deal on the 2080 Ti so I’ll just flip that for a small loss and I’m most likely going to build a small server around the 3950X. Both when the new gen comes out.
I just ran to the store so I’m going to check out that distro plate when I get home. I just might switch.
zenith sonnet
I decided against the G1 in favour of a EK FLT Quantum res, because of the pump
I would have loved the new distro plate, but it's a few months late :(
young flicker
Ahhh, pre-order, that explains it.
Looks like that one goes in the front?
I do like the side config especially as a noob but a better pump is a better pump.
It was a bitch to order directly from EK when I did, though.
I probably would with that distro plate, I have a tendency to make things harder than they need to be.
reef patrol
Not sure if soft or hardtube. Very nice 😄
young flicker
It would probably be really hard to sell the G1, wouldn't it? I'm past the return date. And I wish EK wasn't so expensive to order from directly.
wheat plume
The processor in the 2020 iPad Pro is less powerful than what is in the iPhone SE 2020.......
wat?
coral loom
whats wrong with the G1?
young flicker
Oh God.
@coral loom As far as I know there's nothing wrong with it, it just has a less powerful pump.
coral loom
they just came out with DDC 3.2
mine is on the way, its more powerful than the 3.1
im running two rads, gts and gtx 360
young flicker
I haven't put mine together yet, I have a PE and an XE, both 360s.
"Able to support 1 CPU, 2 GPUs, and up to 2 radiators with maximum size of 360 PE in the top and a 360 XE in the bottom." From the page about the new distro plate. I would've thought it would support more. I'll only have 1 GPU but I do have those two rads so does that mean a third rad is out of the question, or that I would've killed my G1? Lol.
young flicker
Yeah, the one that came with the G1.
So if the support is practically the same does that mean that the D5 is just quieter and longer lasting?
coral loom
the ddc 3.1 will have no problem powering 3 rads, but will it be optimum? no, a D5 will have an easier time dealing with 3 rads
but why are you using a g1 + 3 rads. what case and how much space?
young flicker
Oh I'm not, I have two rads for the G1 and if I get the new Quantum Reflection I will probably get a third. If I'd already put it all together I definitely wouldn't switch so I got lucky with the timing.
I have the O11 Dynamic XL.
coral loom
yes same as mine
young flicker
I'm just surprised that the page for the new distro plate says it only supports 1 CPU 2 GPUs and 2 rads with the better pump.
I would think it would support three.
young flicker
Good to know. So working harder will kill it faster and make more noise but that's it? And by kill it faster I mean in the long run, not within a year or anything.
coral loom
no necessarily, noise depends on temps. it will likely run for a good 5 or 6 years
by that time you would have probably upgraded twice
or at least your custom loop
so no worries
EK has good QC
young flicker
Awesome. Thanks for dropping some knowledge on a water cooling noob. 🙂
young flicker
It's a small world.
The G1 looks so good that I wish they'd just make a version of that with a D5.
It doesn't help that they don't have any pictures of the new one in the case.
coral loom
you can get custom made dsitro plate with D5, youtube Radikult
pale sigil
"My internet is bad"
reef patrol
young flicker
Damn, I'm going to get lost in that guy's videos whether I buy anything or not.
torpid monolith
@pale sigil dude that is terrible
orchid silo
I guess this is OK, using a VPN.
torpid monolith
Better than mine bro
Especially on download speeds.
Although my internet has terrible consistency
crimson wigeon
Pretty much
thick elk
Also you'd think they would use the store as the repository but in typical microsoft fashion it's something else entirely
crimson wigeon
They failed to convince everyone put everything in the store
ashen spindle
pale sigil
I mean
Fuck me
im surprised they haven't broke before
ive abused them hard the last 12 months
They are stronk
only one wire failed after 3 years
rain talon
Mine ATH-m30x doing fine after 4 years, I dropped them for quite some times and still doing great
old marlin
would never order from drop again
ashen spindle
my sennheiser are also going strong for 7 years now
pale sigil
Apparently the higne failing itself is pretty common on M50xs and M40xs
old marlin
mine for 4?
pale sigil
But again i cant stress enough
old marlin
oe 3
pale sigil
being only the hinge after 4 years of abuse
old marlin
ordered 4 years ago at least
pale sigil
is amazing
old marlin
everything on them is available as a replacement part
old marlin
would get marble HD600 frame 
uhhh
I can get cups
and drivers
and clips for the cups that connect to headband
and headband
and the soft part on it
etc
goes on and on
rain talon
Ah, that's fine it's not a big crack to be afraid of
old marlin
high price are the drivers
rain talon
It's held up fine on metallic parts
old marlin
obv
rain talon
@pale sigil What's model of yours headphones?
wheat plume
O.o
shadow minnow
Intel comet lake s embargo has fallen
ashen spindle
uh oh roman broke intel embargo by 5 minutes
halcyon moss
woah, new ltt intro :p
shadow minnow
Comet lake looks quite good
ashen spindle
lol
shadow minnow
for gamers it is way to go
Interested what new architecture in next gen CPUs can do
misty pier
huh it's that time of the year again
ashen spindle
well, September is what people say for zen3
halcyon moss
the noise cancelling on my earbuds makes my mx browns sound super highpitched clicky
misty pier
never really used anything with noise cancelling before
oi I like the feel of mx browns
solar hinge
ashen spindle
gotta admit, comet lake is a bit better than I assumed it would be, not by a mile but a bit at least
and it looks like mid range intel can actually be recommended again
fickle ore
@ashen spindle so they actually fixed all their security holes in hardware?
I'm not recommending intel when AMD has 6x faster context switch times
ashen spindle
dunno about hardware mitigations, didnt see a table of fixes yet
the issue is, comet lake is a paper launch for most, so it can be recommended, but only if its in stock at not too high prices
fickle ore
what is it anyway? desktop cpu?
ashen spindle
well yeah, what else can they do before rocket lake
at least the boards are ready for rocket lake, same socket and can use pcie 4 with rocket lake
fickle ore
thx, just same ole crap then
ashen spindle
sure just for gaming it's still better till zen 3 comes for strictly gaming
fickle ore
Yea but still, not worth even a review, basically a rebrand
ashen spindle
yeah but its the first time we got confirmation the boards are compatible with next gen which is nice
it's mostly the i5/i7 variants that are interresting, because they "droped" down in price compared to previous ones so perf/$ makes them an actual option
fickle ore
I guess, atleast until zen 3
ashen spindle
yeah
zenith sonnet
"The one issue that Intel won’t escape from is that all this extra power requires extra money to be put into cooling the chip. While the Core i9 processor is around the same price as the Ryzen 9 3900X, the AMD processor comes with a 125 W cooler which will do the job – Intel customers will have to go forth and source expensive cooling in order to keep this cool. Speaking with a colleague, he had issues cooling his 10900K test chip with a Corsair H115i, indicating that users should look to spending $150+ on a cooling setup. That’s going to be a critical balancing element here when it comes to recommendations. "
Sums this up quite well?
ashen spindle
no because the good value parts in the i5/7 range dont have that issue?
fickle ore
watch people still recommend the 10900k
ashen spindle
the 10900k is only for you if you want max fps and money to burn, the good value is below it
zenith sonnet
Do the i5/i7 CPUs come with a stock cooler that can handle boost power/heat? Don't think so
fickle ore
funnily I think the best AMD cpu is 3800x
for gaming
same will prob go for zen 3
4800x
zenith sonnet
In fact, it's the 3970X, actually
But that's not really a good value
But it's the fastest, by a few %
ashen spindle
yes ofc they can handle it lol, its basically the same as previous gens at better prices and it worked there already
zenith sonnet
They can handle base clocks, but not boost clocks
ashen spindle
yes they can
zenith sonnet
The stock cooler isn't capable of more
fickle ore
zen 3 will be problematic to price.. 2 ccx will maybe get murdered by 1 ccx in gaming, but still be more expensive
zenith sonnet
I expect roughly the same prices for the same core counts
fickle ore
how do you beat a 1 ccx (4800x) with a 4950x for example (2ccx)? in gaming?
zenith sonnet
They're not putting more silicon in there
And the process improvements and increased manufacturing difficulty should somewhat even out
Oh, that you mean?
More I/O
3950X has twice the memory write speed of the 3800X
ashen spindle
we have no clue how IF clock will work on zen 3 and if there is something else thats new and similarly restricting etc.
so cant really predict if 2ccx will be worse than 1 or not
coral loom
10900K - dead on arrival, but has good base clocks actually 🙂
it looks really nice even at stock speeds, which is expected given how hard intel pushes it from the factory
ashen spindle
basing comet lake just on the 10900k is like just basing zen2 off of the 3900x, doesnt really show a valid picture for all SKUs
fickle ore
I mean you have to connect the CCX somehow and latency is proportional to the distance, so it can be predicted
coral loom
i take it you havent seen GN's video
ashen spindle
I saw gn's video, read the anandtech article and glossed over a few others
zenith sonnet
Eh, no stock for the 10900K, and 589€
3900X is 429€
'roughly same price' where?
ashen spindle
what the fuck are you on about now
also, if they make it so cross-ccx communication happens much less it could maybe be optimized that way, that the latency issues are not outdone by more cores, just as something that came to my mind
zenith sonnet
It's a paper launch, there's no stock, and current prices aren't even competitive either
ashen spindle
and you base that on the price of a single sku?
10700k for example has the same price as the 3900x and beats it in gaming, if you go for a KF you can get it 20-30euro cheaper
sure, doesnt change that in terms of gaming, intel still wins perf/$ at some points
not all, not by a mile, but they do
zenith sonnet
10600K seems to be no stock either
10700K the cheapest unit I could find in stock is 479€, 60€ more than the 3900X
ashen spindle
its not like they are a cpu only company anyway lmao
they wouldn't even be close to how big they are if that would be their only business
zenith sonnet
@ashen spindle That's tray, not boxed
You can't used the 'the cooler is adequate' argument with a tray processor
ashen spindle
box is 449 on the same site
if you are bringing in anti china you should be on the intel wagon not amd
zenith sonnet
Lol, would be nice to see another competitive party, but that's way off, I believe
ashen spindle
or are you forgetting they sold zen uArch to china to fund development for example?
yes that why I asked my question
reef patrol
I'm very pro CDPR. Wait..
ashen spindle
hehe
zenith sonnet
There the US doesn't support their companies at times of need, they go to the dark side, suddenly 'US scared because China CPU good'
ashen spindle
???? jesus christ are you going to answer my question or not
zenith sonnet
#🐸│memes
ashen spindle
ok mr robot go away and let humans have a somewhat decent conversation
you barged into the one that was happening and tried to push it another way while dodging a really simple question
yeah because this is tech talk and I really dont care about you trying to insult me based on a discord role??
wheat plume
I see evidence of an assertion not a question. Glad you don't dispute your purple role is completely void of any substance and only used to make you and @wheat plume feel special.
@latent mural why am I tagged?
ashen spindle
ignore it
wheat plume
does he have access to the channel this role lets you access?
ashen spindle
hahahahahah
reef patrol
Now now. We all know only orange and above are the COOL people who get to swing banhammers and poke fun at everyone.
zenith sonnet
I want a special colour too :(
Mansen, gimme a blueish one!
reef patrol
ashen spindle
if I wanted to be a volunteer mod I would be one already xD
anyway, this is tech talk, enough derailing
yes its a paper launch but you can still get i5/i7 sku's at the msrp price and they are competetive for games and dont run insanely hot
wheat plume
nah, you need the fucking fedora nice guy(tm) role
female species
Literally only shit a nice guy says
ashen spindle
also @zenith sonnet you do slowly start to remind me of witeken but for the amd side, I get you like amd, but it seems to me your glasses are tainted a bit more red than it should be
ashen spindle
on the side of dropping the chips? :p
fair gull
no like that while amd does force intel to produce smth with better performances amd also fucked up shit
in the current cpus
pushing the market to a new high this quick entails also making mistakes
neither amd or intel are perfect
live with it
ashen spindle
oh yeah definitely, didnt watch it bc I usually only watch LTT videos on more niche things bc cpu/gpu deep dives are better on other channels for me
lol
opposite is going to happen
rdna2 slaps
fair gull
@ashen spindle linux basically said that while this is what we needed intel is still a really god prosumer and professional product especially in the server side of things
ashen spindle
yeah thats not wrong
fair gull
ya but usually people now just hate intel
no questions asked
and amd is god for them rn
ashen spindle
yeah enthusiasts are a scary pack
esp amd fans have always been a bid rabbid, even through bulldozer and athlon etc.
jesus christ nobody here is relying on info from ltt, we are literally discussing his opinion, based on what we know from other sources
coral loom
people dont hate intel. People are happy to see competition
ashen spindle
nah enthusiasts definitely started to hate intel lmao
coral loom
Intel still outperforms AMD in single core. non negotiable, but I love that AMD is humbling Intel
its healthy
fair gull
like in the professional market which is where i mainly setup pcs etc i still go intel
just for reliability
ashen spindle
the issue is what GN pointed out, even when AMD does well they still throw stones at others instead of showing of their stuff
coral loom
worst case scenario, intel loses another 15% market share to AMD, and it will sit there for a while
fair gull
altho i am almost sure consumer market is not their main focus
uh no
ah ure one of those
where GHz is everything
and the rest is completely ignored
ashen spindle
uh, thats not the reason they did that, they did that because they couldnt get 10nm to ramp up, they didn't want 10nm to fail lol
fair gull
no?
i role a ton of servers for businesses etc
and
we tried amd epyc stuff
didnt work out
slowed down the systems actually
coral loom
For max gaming performance, hard to not go intel
coral loom
if youre value for money, then AMD
coral loom
+1fps lives matter
fair gull
this isnt about gaming u dunce
this is about in general
u are literally the prime example of unreasonable intel hate
coral loom
nah man
you ever tried direct die OC on intel?
if you havent, id recommend it, then we can talk gaming lol
fair gull
this devolved from actual professional view points of the market
ashen spindle
tf what are you trying to argue, direct die oc for gaming?
fair gull
to "I WANT TO SPEND LESS TO PLAY FORTNITE"
ashen spindle
where even is this discussion now
fair gull
well imma dip the convo was fun till the pcmasterrace came back
coral loom
the option is there , point still stands though 😄
fair gull
wait no one more thing @latent mural gz on becoming part of the meme
coral loom
i dont disagree that amd is great 🙂
reef patrol
Also delidding Ryzen is... not great 😄
ashen spindle
no longer an intel thing, since gen9 they are using STIM again
ashen spindle
idk for sure about lower parts, but 9900k and such definitely used stim again
coral loom
yes did
ashen spindle
they even marketed in their slides
reef patrol
Yep. 9th gen was TIM not Solder.
coral loom
9900K solder
reef patrol
No solder here sir.
reef patrol
Oh.... so it is.
coral loom
like i said, value.
reef patrol
I am derp.
coral loom
lol
reef patrol
I should know this - I have one 😄
coral loom
hehe
rockit cool direct die kit gives you a solvent that you apply to the die to melt the solder
i see some people using blades 😮 😮 😮
jk 😛
ok 🙂
2080Ti Sli , 9900K 5.2Ghz rip
dont worry man, AMD is awesome
😄
true, sold a single 2080ti
ashen spindle
he literally said it's not the value option so why are you trying to convince him it's not the best value 🤔
ashen spindle
probably enjoyed OC'ing too or direct die wouldn't be in the discussion
coral loom
direct die is the most fun youll have if youre patient
best project ever
super satisfying when youre at 5.2 and cpu hardly goes past 50's in game
lol this guy , have a good day man 👋
ashen spindle
nah, mostly limited by what unity supports
.net core has some really sick things I want but I'm holding back so I dont miss it when I need to do actual work
pale sigil
@latent mural
ok child with meaningless purple role, leave the adults to talk to one another
Chill my man
fair gull
@ashen spindle https://discordjs.moe/oSxRlczV-_t.png
working on a dashboard in aspnet cause i can reuse the db models
its all .net core
ashen spindle
ah neat
fair gull
for cross platform
fair gull
ya its a game server emulator so i wanted it to be linux and windows compatible
ashen spindle
I just hope unity doesnt take as long to get core as it was stuck on .net 3 lmao
fair gull
they might hold of for .net 5
ashen spindle
finally I can use c#7 features after like what felt like 10 years and I dont even code for that long
fair gull
like .net 5 is the next gen and it makes .net core redundant
and will prob kick .net core 3.1 out of LTS
ashen spindle
ah right I forgot 5 goes back to unifying it
ashen spindle
my guess is 2021 in alpha for unity then
fair gull
prob
but unity will prob adopt it slowly since it still wont do desktop apps natively
altho it can do console and asp.net on all platforms
desktop runtime is still win only
sadly
ashen spindle
its splitting up more and more to be modular/component based engine so that might help getting it in faster
crimson wigeon
crimson wigeon
Avalonia I tried using and it's pretty scuffed
wheat plume
is that related to maui linux?
fair gull
it has blazor support
yo
this might be dope
the only thing i dont get is them saying they target .net 6
crimson wigeon
Because it's nowhere near ready
fair gull
so
basically they are targeting a framework that doesnt even exist in a conceptual phase
ashen spindle
nice comparison btw for non gaming where intel still wins, mostly bc stuff like maya still isn't really optimized for amd https://i.gyazo.com/ea28d89fca80df0f64344219902fdabf.png
fair gull
@ashen spindle gaming only in here shoo shoo
coral loom
would be good to see how it OC's under proper water
and how it does in games
i think Intel took a big risk with this chip due to pressure from AMD
ashen spindle
well, you basically need good water to even hit the 5.3 TVB
and then you are a few % above the 9900k
coral loom
yea thats mad. I think Intel should have took it on the chin for a few years
and came back later
ashen spindle
nah, they needed a refresh in the midrange because 9600k and co didnt have HT on, so they had no chance vs zen2
and you cant just release midrange desktop cpus and not a high end one
that looks worse than waiting another 6 months for rocket lake
pale sigil
Can i get a TLTR on the intel situation
ashen spindle
same stuff as last gen, but better prices, at the high end few % better but high end chips drain shitload of power
coral loom
10900K will not OC well
the true winner of this range is 10700K
which is essentially a 9900K
ashen spindle
oh it will, roman already got it to 7.2ghz
coral loom
but can clock higher
talking about consumer level OC
and custom water
LN2 is diff story
ashen spindle
if you just go for a single core, 10900k will still have better binning
and all core its obviously harder bc more cores
coral loom
exactly what im saying. I think 10700K will out perform 10900K in games
since theres no games that utilise 10 cores
hell, even 8
ashen spindle
uh no, single core oc will still be better on the 10900k and that matters more for games
coral loom
doubt it, but only time and benchmarks will tell
ashen spindle
I cant find the slides right now, but I think the die thinning is only done on the i9 parts, and that should help it even more
coral loom
i hate to say it, but delidd 😄
ashen spindle
sure but that doesnt change it, still thinner substrate
unless you now suggest die sanding
coral loom
id like to see 10900K and 10700K delidded and tested in games
ashen spindle
but then I'd argue thats about as valid as LN2
coral loom
no sanding lol
ashen spindle
the thinner part is the top above the die, not the STIM lol
coral loom
you mean the IHS
coral loom
ah the actual silicon
yea that ashould def help
id like to see 10900K (2 cores at 5.4) vs 10700K (5.4 on all cores)
in games#
reef patrol
crimson wigeon
https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/a20ae0417f2d1e1a2c173f5eaf66a81974df0008 hm, wonder if this is how Linux focused software is gonna be doing Windows support in the future..
wheat plume
I
Love
MPV
orchid silo
@coral loom Sure, its with LN2
coral loom
its an LN2 board 😛
orchid silo
But 7000+Mhz for a 10900K is pretty great
coral loom
hell yea, its a great chip
coral loom
godspeed
torpid monolith
No duh. I'm just saying.
orchid silo
big difference between owned and made
zenith sonnet
AMD cut the price of the 3900X from 489$ to 410$ MSRP
vast moss
I suppose with Ryzen 4th gen around the corner it's understandable
zenith sonnet
Retail price should be below the 10700K now, and it comes with a decent cooling solution on top
vast moss
Yeah, I like that some Ryzen CPUs (or all? idk) come with a cooler packed in.
zenith sonnet
For the 3000 series, I think the 3950X is the only exception
Weirdly enough, it's selling well, even with its retail price of 770€ over here
vast moss
Nice. I live in the US, but I don't know its prices. I've been thinking of picking up a Ryzen 5 3600 for a PC build I'd like to put together, though
zenith sonnet
Why not a 3300X? Or do you need the extra threads?
vast moss
I like to use my computer for everything (including the occasional Prime95 run) but if it isn't too much of a performance drop I could sacrifice the extra cores and threads (I currently run a dual-core (i7-7500U) which isn't enough for lots of things, including my capture card)
tough stag
@golden girder i upgraded to the US434 Aten USB 3.0 Switch. Lighting stays on now and recovers. So its a USB 2.0 thing i guess.
Remember a lengthy conversation about USB Switches for multiple computers ...
zenith sonnet
MIght be better off with the 3600 then
Single thread performance is very close, but the 3600 is some 40% faster in multicore workloads
vast moss
I see
old marlin
@latent mural 
would be careful with the hati atm
they are declaring tons of them as fakes rn
just because one of their resellers exposed them as a money laundering business
wheat plume
It seems this version of plama wont show you the battery icon or percentage if you boot the laptop without being plugged in. I hope it at least tells me when its below 10%
I have Battery sset to always show in the system tray settings
wheat plume
this is the weirdest syntax highlighting I have ever seen, it permanently makes this white box around variables and method calls
buoyant tinsel
how can you work with those boxes.....
wheat plume
im not going to, im trying to find another color scheme I like
buoyant tinsel
I searched for so long, and then bit the bullet and modified the one that was closest
took days to get it allright
wheat plume
not bad
ashen spindle
I can recommend visual studio default dark theme
wheat plume
is that even in idea?
wheat plume
doing java in VS sounds wxrong to me
golden girder
@tough stag Good to know, I bought your old type to look into it. Found some things which will be maybe addressed some day when Jeroen has time again. I think the problem for the initial black LEDs is more a timing issue.
ashen spindle
wasnt g wolves the money laundering thing that hkgaming stopped working with
Twitter
they are waiting on amazon eu listing them or smth like that, should be soonish, its already on US amazon
wheat plume
ooo their Miami Vibe pudding caps are pretty
ashen spindle
well, mira-s is what I'm probably going to get
wheat plume
im worried about my laptop battery
51% health ;-;
reef patrol
Internal or not eternal battery?
wheat plume
laptop battery
wheat plume
internal xd
reef patrol
Ouch. Those tend to be proprietary and pricier.
pale sigil
Lol
My Laptop holds no battery because the charge port is fucked so it takes years to charge
wheat plume
o ;-;
pale sigil
ill fix it one day
its a bitch to take a part
just to put an ssd in there when i bought it took like 30 min
HP Laptops are just..... so anti consumer
wheat plume
hp = no
misty pier
at least with the older macs battery replacements are super easy to do
wheat plume
idk much
misty pier
if you could take the bottom panel off and access the battery then you could find a replacement for it
but there are those laptops which are like.. impossible to do DIY work on
ashen spindle
11usb a on back, nice
old marlin
not even fatal1ty USB port
misty pier
2.5gb lan though 👀
ashen spindle
nice nice
fair gull
also realized the pw field has the wrong icon
lol
best of all
the entire thing weighs less than 150mb since it preloads everything it should ever need in terms of code
so the only new memory it eats is stored user credentials
which is just 1 JWToken
fickle ore
@old marlin Not Asrock bro 😄
young flicker
Ha, Fatal1ty, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.
ashen spindle
asrock has been using it in their mobo lineup for a while now
young flicker
The last thing I remember is the sound card. I haven't been looking at mobos for a long time now, too.
Dude is probably like 45-50 by now.
I'm surprised people might care about a UT/Quake era gamer.
ashen spindle
39
old marlin
Ye obv
reef patrol
They paid for the name, they're going to USE the name 😄
Guessing they got a life long contract to his name, and just decided that Fatality sounded pretty neat.
thick elk
Pretty much, just looked him up. I always thought he was an overclocker, seems he is just a former quake 3 pro
It's not like the Fatal1ty brand caries any weight for Asrock as a motherboard series either
old marlin
well
he was impactful enough that asrock isn't even the only one that bought rights to use the name
maybe because he was the first "real" pro that even existed
ashen spindle
he was the first big name that pushed branding and such
reef patrol
It's a nice theme though. I had both of their first gen Ryzen ITX boards.
old marlin
I wish I had
could OC my MX300
on 1909 it isn't possible
or well not for me at least
so it is jsut some 2002 office mouse
wheat plume
ayyyyyy
orchid silo
@wheat plume MS Insider?
orchid silo
Well, what kind of application wants your entire source of data?
orchid silo
But where does youir above tos come from?
wheat plume
hm? this is in the Deepin 20 installer
orchid silo
HA! My bad, I really really missed to read those last 4 lines 😄 @wheat plume
orchid silo
I didnt know about Deepin20 before I read this 😛
wheat plume
ooohhhhhh
orchid silo
Yea, Im pretty far from being a Linux boi
wheat plume
fair
shadow minnow
I hope iPhone 12 pro will have 120hz, if yes I will probably buy it, I am now on 6s Plus
empty wren
better have a big battery to support that
orchid silo
Haha, thats some big dreams @empty wren
empty wren
the asus rog phone 2 is amazing
6000mAh and 120hz oled screen so i would hope apple would be able to go to 4500 lets say
orchid silo
Haven't Apple been minimizing the size of the bat every year since the 6S?
empty wren
actually the 11 pro series went up
orchid silo
To how many mha?
shadow minnow
Lol, battery are you sleeping under rock, every year from 6s, battery is getting bigger 😄
empty wren
shadow minnow
Leaks from Jon Prosser looked interesting, just to get that 120hz confirmed
orchid silo
empty wren
that is hella slender
orchid silo
100mha a generation aint much at all. But tbh, Pixel hot small batteries too.
empty wren
i get 5 hours with 20% left on pixel 3 xl i am satisfied
shadow minnow
And still, IPhones are getting one of the best battery lifes (mean by hours)
orchid silo
No they dont
orchid silo
Huawei are the top tier when it comes to battery life
empty wren
Huawei are the top tier when it comes to battery life
yeah with huawei on top but do you own one
shadow minnow
@orchid silo look at tests, at the time when 11 pro came out, it was second, right after Huawei I think.
Energizer is on top 😄
wheat plume
Energizer is on top 😄
@shadow minnow yes with their battery that has a phone built in
empty wren
anybody want a straight up rip of the chicago long bus with these springs
shadow minnow
yes with their battery that has a phone built in
@wheat plume
Lol 😄
wheat plume
:')
empty wren
this is what you call pocketable
orchid silo
Im a bit concerned with the new MS Duo phone, is supposed to have a prertty small battery
shadow minnow
I care mostly about iPhones 😄
orchid silo
I dont have anything against iPhones, they seem to please their users. I just feel a bit uneasy when they got the environment on such a lockdown.
empty wren
no wonder why jailbreak tweaks are so great there is just some kind of feeling when you rip off the forbidden apple and eat it
shadow minnow
One of the reasons I love IPhones is that they age really well, my 6 s plus can still run everything, even most demanding games at highest details
Also that 5-6 year software support
orchid silo
Hehe, that is the first time anyone with an iphone said that they age well with new os versions 😄
shadow minnow
I mean they last long 😄 (being good at performance)
orchid silo
Everything can do that. My dad uses Android 4.0 on his phone 😄
I think its 11.0 now.
shadow minnow
My friend bought huawei p20 lite, which was at that time for 50$ less, he had to play at lowest details, and could not even connect wireless headset while playing lol, while I was running at smooth highest details
orchid silo
P20 Lite was like what, 250 bucks? What iPhone costs 200?
shadow minnow
And by that what I said before, I mean that my 5 year old iPhone has still newest iOS which is sadly (wish more companies does this) unique for iPhones
@orchid silo my mistake, I mean 50$ less 😄
orchid silo
Which Iphone goes for 300 bucks? the new one for 399 is their cheapest ever, is it not? 😮
shadow minnow
And it was that cheap because this iPhone has not been new at that time, few gens older
I think there already was iPhone X at that time, so that is why it was that cheap 😄
orchid silo
Well, iphones have a long record of lowering their prices by ~$100 every new generation. And I suspect you bought your phone on a contract?
shadow minnow
I already had it from when it came out, I just checked price 😄
The think is that it was (If I remember correctly l) discontinued, so I mean prices from mostly 3rd party resellers
orchid silo
Still doesnt make sense to sell a new iphone for 300 bucks, since even 2-4 gen back can sell for $4-500 new. But enough of this, I feel like an asshole - Im glad you are happy with your phone 🙂
shadow minnow
What phone do you have? 😄
orchid silo
A P20 Pro ^^
Still dont really understand why I upgraded from a Honor 8. I just use it for music and a snapshot every now and then 😄
Tho, tbh, The LG G3 is the best phone I've had.
orchid silo
LG really made some great phones after they had all the X2 shit-crap.
coral loom
my LG wallpaper is like Watching Heaven
orchid silo
I hate to say it, but Disney made CW good.
coral loom
I have to set break alarms to move away from the TV
orchid silo
CLone Wars
Star wars
Clone Wars is canon, so it is star wars
Kek
Good juan
CW is directed by Lucas.
I rec. you not to do that
It was shiter
It is
Way worse
I kid you not
Well, Im not sure I can take you seriously since you said that you loved the 1-3 over CW. But The Force Awakens was pretty great imo. I feel it had to many plot holes while the story was Ok.
I guess you are one of the rares
Yea, I can understand you. I was born 92 but didnt see them until 2010 or so, and by then I had understood why they didnt live up o the standards just by memes 😛
Jarjar is pretty ok in CW, but I hate him in the preq.
And now I understand that you are playing the fiddle
Have you seen CW?
Well, CW is what the preq should have been, So I recommend it.
Even tho I skipped season 2 and 3.
/giphy jarjar
Sorry, not even giphy was interested in jarjar
Nåsa
wat about queeenie?
orchid silo
I agree @pale sigil
orchid silo
Season 5-7 was epic, the rest was so-so imo @pale sigil
reef patrol
😄
dapper ridge
orchid silo
vast moss
@empty wren how's this angle?
empty wren
empty wren
yeah that is where they fall short
but see how those keycaps there are very round in the center too
vast moss
Yes
empty wren
are they close to that
empty wren
but is very deep on each keycap?
vast moss
The caps are tall, and the top is rather indented
empty wren
okay, i am just having trouble believing you got keycaps of that caliber with a whole keybaord for around $100
vast moss
That's fair
It's surprising to me too tbh, especially because I've heard SA is particularly expensive
empty wren
well the real sa with all the rows
is very expensive yes
you seem to have the real sa minus all the rows which is okay since pbt for a long time would breaking tryin to do an sa profile proerply
vast moss
These are just R3 but dye-sub legends on PBT SA caps
empty wren
well that is still cool
vast moss
Yeah
empty wren
I bought a translucent sa set from a company that seems to not exist anymore anywaysa a 3rd party got their stock, not true sa, very small sphere to most keys, deep dish on f, j and 5 but they are tall and translucent pbt
vast moss
These have a deeper dish on F, J, and numpad 5 as well, but I suppose that's used as an alternative to the bump you usually get for home row indicators
empty wren
hmm then they may be better than mine a bit, mines mostly feel flat
vast moss
I can definitely feel the sphere on each keycap, with FJ5 a little more because of the deeper indent
vast moss
$100 (or equivalent)
vast moss
ah
empty wren
i got the black variant since these other colors were not properly painted
vast moss
I see
TBH I'd prefer blue to red by a long shot, but in the absence of blue I'd do black
I have a scheme I want to make for a full keyboard from WASD but I don't want to pay $60 for it, at least yet
empty wren
hmm
i wonder if the dark lekker scheme that was posted here could be manufactered by them it looked so wicked
vast moss
I don't remember it; mind referring me back to it if you can find it?
vast moss
empty wren
sweeeeeeeeeet goodnesss
vast moss
empty wren
does that not look loevely
chrome estuary
I absolutely love the wooting lekker keycaps
empty wren
yes those look great tooooo
vast moss
I love the way it looks
I am fascinated by the lekker scheme; I like the idea behind it, even though they're colors I normally wouldn't get. tbh I jumped on the Lekker train for the switches and because the board is limited run
empty wren
yeah that too
vast moss
also, this is the scheme I'm interested in getting from WASD
https://kbdfans.com/collections/cherry-profile/products/winmx-pbt-dye-sub-keycaps this set also looks really interesting
empty wren
keycaps like are art are subjective
vast moss
Yeah
I found a good set somewhere on KBDfans that was blue and black, but inverted so the alphanum was black and the mods were blue. If they were blue alphanum and black mod I would have gotten them
empty wren
hmm
vast moss
I mean, they do have light blue alphanum and black mod, but I'd go more for a blue like I just shared, which they have inverted
empty wren
okay
vast moss
yeah
orchid silo
@empty wren I assume your active on Eckharts disc too? :O
empty wren
may i ask what is Eckharts? so we are on the same page
orchid silo
Eckhartsladder is one of the bigger Star Wars and Halo channels on YouTube. And he has a discord channel where halo ist
Is discussed with people who likes it. I just assumed considering your name.
empty wren
😄 no i am not though thanks for the indirect suggestion. I do like halo, i grow up with it when in second and third grade I was gifted the original xbox from my father's friend. The reason my name on discord is the way it is, is due to my respect of how honorable Arbiter is, do not get me wrong John is great soldier who does not just follow orders. I just see Thel more representative of me and again i like halo. I could use RagedElimanator but i like to keep that as a gamertag. Also ✌️ thanks for noticing that.
orchid silo
Hehe 👍
chrome estuary
The issue I have with keycaps is most of them are for those disgusting 60%, 80% TKL keyboards
or at least most I see
vast moss
A good few are, but there are plenty of full-size ones to go with (some with options for almost whatever other size you want that has keys that aren't found on full-size, such as a 1u backspace)
chrome estuary
tbh i want 150g springs with the lekker keycaps
vast moss
You might be able to get 150g springs, but that's quite a bit
vast moss
I would use higher weight springs when I play rhythm games because, especially with faster, harder charts, I press harder and faster, but I think that higher weight springs would cause fatigue before anything else
empty wren
not if you have a wrist wrest
or am i wrong
because box navies normally cause fatigue i noticed with incorrect posture and support
vast moss
Maybe, but I already have one and use it. I'm thinking more finger fatigue by pressing hard on stronger springs
zenith sonnet
My PC is doing weird shit again
Earlier, when I launched Discord and Steam at the same time, it froze
Just froze
No BSOD or anything, it just froze completely
Not that thing happened again, where my PC powered off, and wouldn't boot again until I reset the BIOS
@reef patrol Halp