🔌│tech

[empty wren]

What is NFC or WiFI challenge?

[pale sigil]

and going back to sleep

not sure

xD

[wheat plume]

Tf is the WiFi challenge?

[pale sigil]

i likd guys

[wheat plume]

Oh

[pale sigil]

I bought The Dark Knight Rises for 9p!

[wheat plume]

I bet he does rise

[empty wren]

what can you do with swift installer, like how much can you theme?

[wheat plume]

what can you do with swift installer, like how much can you theme?
@empty wren yes!!

[pale sigil]

10/10 answer

[wheat plume]

You can theme any app on your phone and long as it's on a supported version

[empty wren]

so is it like a global hack?

[pale sigil]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[wheat plume]

Last time I used it, my Snapchat was too new so it couldn't theme it

[empty wren]

oh nevermind it sounds like substratum

[wheat plume]

It'll tell you what apps it didn't apply to

So you can downgrade them if you want

[pale sigil]

ignore http://mrpl.me/Xb1901b_rfK0.apk

[wheat plume]

oh nevermind it sounds like substratum
@empty wren it's not difficult af to use like substratum though and there themes are free

[pale sigil]

ignore 2 http://mrpl.me/T41902b_rf58.apk

[empty wren]

well i was curious what make swift installer stand out, i use substartum and have been coding my own theme to cover for apps without support

[pale sigil]

why is the vanced file apks

[wheat plume]

I love this feature

[pale sigil]

oh they changed how it works

[wheat plume]

why is the vanced file apks
@pale sigil you need to use SAI

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aefyr.sai

[pale sigil]

cool concept

or well

not a concept

cool idea

[wheat plume]

I hate it

It didn't work when I tried to install the root vanced apks

No matter what settings I tried

That's why I'm on the non root

[pale sigil]

i miss nitro so much right now

[wheat plume]

And have to install microg -.-

[pale sigil]

8mb limit is bullshittttttttttt

[wheat plume]

Yeh -.- its legit the only reason I hate about discord

[pale sigil]

its fine if we had one more booster

xD

http://mrpl.me/B11903b_rfO5.apks

[wheat plume]

I love miui 12 so far except the hotspot is unreliable af

It'll stop working after any random amount of time

Idk if it's because it's in beta or if it's a fault with this rom

[pale sigil]

i have to turn off mui optimization

[wheat plume]

O

[pale sigil]

reee

[wheat plume]

Why so?

[pale sigil]

all my icons broke

[wheat plume]

O.o

Wat

[pale sigil]

it did a lot

[wheat plume]

Oh it worked fine for me without turning it off

[pale sigil]

it reset all my permissions

and icons

[wheat plume]

Hmm

It's still on for me

[pale sigil]

booooo

taking forever to install

[wheat plume]

Oo

[pale sigil]

lana

is it meant to take ages

[wheat plume]

is it meant to take ages
@pale sigil Took 40 second to install Vanced

[pale sigil]

thats forever

[wheat plume]

I hate Sai

[empty wren]

ever tried to downgrade an apk with the newer version still installed?

[wheat plume]

Xd no

[empty wren]

that takes minutes

[wheat plume]

O.o

[empty wren]

and sometimes i feel like it does not want to work

[pale sigil]

i think it was a naming error

its worked

[wheat plume]

I felt like Sai wouldn't install Vanced the last day until miui showed me the app install prompt

[pale sigil]

my icons are borked af

ree

[wheat plume]

And then Sai finished

Hmm...

[pale sigil]

eh

fixed now

[empty wren]

do you get any other launcher glitches?

[pale sigil]

its because i disabled miui optimization

[empty wren]

oh

[pale sigil]

it reset all my perms and themes it seems

[wheat plume]

Omo

I forget I can't show anyone my notifications shade in miui

[pale sigil]

Why

[wheat plume]

It shows your location for the weather

[pale sigil]

Wtf

I have ads on YouTube vancrd

Why

[wheat plume]

There is always one at the top

[pale sigil]

No

[wheat plume]

But no where else

[pale sigil]

I never had this

[wheat plume]

Same

[pale sigil]

With 14

I can't deal with this 🤣

[empty wren]

is your notification panel like iOS too, meaning seperate from that quick settings panel

[pale sigil]

I can't stress how much I hate ads

Time to rollback

[wheat plume]

It goes away though

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-adventure-time-lemongrab-freakout-armflail-gif-5515437

one thing ive always wondered is how people have insane themes

that change their phones so much

i know icon packs are a thing

[wheat plume]

I miss Lawnchair

[empty wren]

There is an Xposed module which works for youtube but i will not recommend

[wheat plume]

Ew

Xposed

[empty wren]

yeah xposed

[pale sigil]

i remember a launcher i usdd years ago

[empty wren]

but the module works on the offical app which helps a little bit

[pale sigil]

where icons would be on the side

apps etc

youd scroll

it was cool

[wheat plume]

Ooo

That

Niagra

[empty wren]

KWGT and KLWP is what they may have used to make those insane themes

[pale sigil]

Niagra wasn't it

but similar

ye

[wheat plume]

O

[empty wren]

yep that looks like klwp with a kwgt widget

[pale sigil]

it is

So its widgets

basically

[empty wren]

Well it kinda looks like it, but here is the thing I think the launcher may play a part in this too

those icons could be a widget with buttons or it could be real icons

though the rest of the elements are liekly klwp

[pale sigil]

lol i think i own nova prime

[empty wren]

that would work for it

[pale sigil]

Kinda nice

[wheat plume]

Found a screenshot I took when using Lawnchair

[wheat plume]

Nice blur and icons

[pale sigil]

letti show an awful combo

[empty wren]

that is kwlp but i bet you it could be kwgt

[pale sigil]

By

xD

[empty wren]

ewww

[wheat plume]

O

No

Make it stop

[empty wren]

lawnchair with lawnstep?

[pale sigil]

i can make it worse

[wheat plume]

Lawnchair alpha prerelease and quickswitch

[empty wren]

oh right that

wish more launchers supported quickswitch

[pale sigil]

sec

[wheat plume]

You need quickswitch to make Android 10 gestures working

[pale sigil]

i can go deeper

NO LANA

[empty wren]

well a few but mostly it is for animations

[wheat plume]

Also I love Lawnchair even more now, I learned the main Dev is non binary

[empty wren]

okay........

[pale sigil]

oH EVIE launcher was nice

i used that for a bit

[empty wren]

I used to use a terminal app and typed commands to access my apps. My homescreen was aterminal window

[pale sigil]

i honestly dont like pixel launcher wannabes

never been a huge fan of stock in general

[empty wren]

I like the pixel launcher unpopular opinion

[wheat plume]

I used to use a terminal app and typed commands to access my apps. My homescreen was aterminal window
@empty wren lol I did they before

I like the pixel launcher unpopular opinion
@empty wren me too if it supported icon packs

[pale sigil]

its so boring

[empty wren]

i think it does, just not like the way people expect it to

[young flicker]

Boring is what people go for these days apparently.

So you're right in the curve.

[pale sigil]

It still reminds me of jellybeen

that shit was awful

[wheat plume]

Yes

[empty wren]

There is other aspects you can change with it via substratum

[wheat plume]

Android before version 6 was awful

5*

[pale sigil]

Jellybean

my god

[empty wren]

i loved the button design on 5

[wheat plume]

Wat was it?

[pale sigil]

i hated 5 too

[empty wren]

triangle, circle, sqaure

[empty wren]

yep that

[pale sigil]

thas not changed

[wheat plume]

Oh

I forget what a navbar is

[pale sigil]

i used a nav bar for a day before scrapping it for gestures

lol

[wheat plume]

Xd

[pale sigil]

on this phone i mean

[wheat plume]

Mood

[pale sigil]

which was my first long boi

NO LANA

NO

[wheat plume]

Long boi

LONG LONG MAAAAAAAANNNNM

[pale sigil]

Honestly

I dont like any android before 9

at all

[empty wren]

i hated 9

[wheat plume]

I liked it

[pale sigil]

i didn't love it

but it was a lot better imo

its when android became actually nice

[empty wren]

they removed so many options

[pale sigil]

im on about appearance

[empty wren]

oh okay

[wheat plume]

Me too xd

[pale sigil]

I couldn't stand android

before

[wheat plume]

I love the second material design

[pale sigil]

ive always had android and before that Nokias

xD

[wheat plume]

Their current one

[empty wren]

i miss the swipes on the big actvities

swiping left and right anywhere on the screen was nice

[pale sigil]

Honestly

im just a hardcore MIUI fan

[wheat plume]

Miui has nice features but I am not a big fan of the inconsistent design

Especially the font sizes -.-

Some apps have tiny font

Some have massive

[empty wren]

native applications or different tabs

[pale sigil]

Ahh

back in the olde days

xD

[wheat plume]

Ew

[empty wren]

that looks so bad

[wheat plume]

I understand why people preferred iOS

When Android looked like this

[pale sigil]

Because it was always better style wise

[wheat plume]

Yes

[empty wren]

yeah, though this does give iOS vibes

like how it tries to look industrial

[pale sigil]

Also thats android 2

btw

[empty wren]

cupcake

[wheat plume]

Android 10 will always be called Android Queen cake in my heart

[empty wren]

yep

[pale sigil]

I loved sense so much back then

[wheat plume]

vomits

[empty wren]

hopefully they can tell us what the next ersion was to be called in the QA

is that all from htc devices

[pale sigil]

Yes

Sense UI

[empty wren]

Honestly this may have better than stock android

[pale sigil]

obv my taste changed a lot

but i honestly preffered IOS over Android in terms of looks for years

ive only ever owned one iphone and it was like 7 months before it blew up

his was stock

at the time

vs sense ui

[wheat plume]

I did too until Android 7 and especially 9 and 10

[empty wren]

see that looks so awful

[pale sigil]

It was IOS 9 that won me over

[empty wren]

that searchbox ughhh

[pale sigil]

Or well won me back

Ok no actually

i used a HTC One and it was poop

I switched to an IPhone for a year which btw was sooooooo goood

I think i went from an IPhone 5 to 6 and the 6 blew up

xD

So i think i was on team apple for like a year and half

htc one was such a piece of shit

i had to deal with that phone for ages

liked the OS a lot tho

[wheat plume]

HTC are still shit

[pale sigil]

THe design was godly

[empty wren]

honestly i see what you mean

[pale sigil]

I fucking loved the HTC Ones design

[wheat plume]

I really want to like LG but I can't ;_; their upgrade schedule doesn't exist -.-

[empty wren]

HTC was such a pioneer

[pale sigil]

It was for a bit

It was the closest to not looking shite phone

[orchid silo]

I had the HTC Desire, the original one

[pale sigil]

i still have my htc one lol

MATE

HTC Desire

WAS

GARBAGE

I had a htc sensation

[orchid silo]

The desire was goodt

[empty wren]

HTC boom sound

HTC M9

[pale sigil]

sound was so good

[empty wren]

yeah and front firing speakers

[orchid silo]

The only thing which was shit, even tho it was pioneering, was the optical cursor on it.

[pale sigil]

can you guess the right phone

[empty wren]

lg v20

[orchid silo]

That was guud

[wheat plume]

Is the one on the right a Windows phone?

[pale sigil]

Is the one on the right a Windows phone?

give me some credit

[wheat plume]

I miss some features from Windows phone 8.1

[pale sigil]

you're all wrong

[orchid silo]

I so wish Nokia wasn't bought by Windows, if they went into Android they would still have been viable today.

[wheat plume]

Like system + app wide dark theme

The fancy animations
Double tap to lock
Double tap to wake
Customisable accent color

8.1 was smooth as silk

Then 10 was shit

[empty wren]

oih that

[pale sigil]

Screen is broken

easy to replace

but pointless

[empty wren]

cool device

[pale sigil]

i replaced the battery

very easy phone to fix

[orchid silo]

Key And Peele - Valets, are so good

[empty wren]

I tried seperating the oled/digitizer from the glass i failed

[pale sigil]

I had a Samsung S7

But that battery

my god

it tanked so hard after a little over 2 years

Was unusable

I loved my S7 tho

And Samsung OS wasn't as shite as it used to be

my god... anyone remember?

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But ye IOS 8 was a HUGE yes for me

i fell in love with it vs everything else at the time

or well IO7

[empty wren]

omg i rememeber that

so hideous

OneUI is pretty great though

[pale sigil]

So smol xD

This is my htc one

Still runs decent

[empty wren]

looks fine actually

does look small

nice the create folder is missing icons

[pale sigil]

XD

[empty wren]

i had a pixel launcher bug where i could make icons disappear btu they would take up space

like why

and i cannot use them'

[pale sigil]

My normal phone feels insanely huge now

[empty wren]

oh and another bug where I can put one icon into a folder and it takes a ll the space and the folder becomes a brick

yeah i felt the same moving on from my Moto E to Nexus 6P

[vast moss]

My normal phone feels insanely huge now
I have the opposite issue. My actual phone is an iPhone 6S and now, having a Redmi Note 8 on the side, at first the Redmi was big but now the iPhone is small

[pale sigil]

HTC one is 4.7"

Which is small in today's market

[empty wren]

4.5" screen moto e

[pale sigil]

The only thing I don't like about bezeless phones is the ultrawide aspect

[vast moss]

4.7" iPhone 6S

[pale sigil]

It's thinner but longer

[empty wren]

21:9 for the win

[pale sigil]

I just want a bezeless phone

Which I have

But it's 21:9

[vast moss]

Ack, I really don't like the corners on the Redmi Note 8 because they're rounded so some of the corner is cut off in programs

[pale sigil]

I don't mind if

[pale sigil]

Never really noticed it

[empty wren]

you mean this

[vast moss]

And I'd take a top bezel over a notch pretty much any day

[pale sigil]

Hate the notch

I have the M9T

With the popup camera

[vast moss]

The RN8 has a small notch for the camera and it's...ech. I'm the kind who racks up notifications, and they stop at the notch. It doesn't help when there are also indicators for the phone being on silent and headphones connected (I'd really like to remove those)

[empty wren]

Samsung also makes narrow phones 19.5:9

[pale sigil]

More like this

[empty wren]

that does not look so bad

[pale sigil]

Me like

[vast moss]

Those are small corners; the Redmi's are bigger

[pale sigil]

Not on about that

[pale sigil]

This is a response to thel

I like that phone too

[empty wren]

too bad it has a punch hole now

I like the notch, though i do see why you Rain really are annoyed by it.

Is anyone advocating under-screen cameras?

[pale sigil]

Nope

Not yet anyway

I'm not a huge fan of the behind the screen fingerprint also

Which I have

[empty wren]

I like the idea off the ultrasonic one, samsung or qualcomm or both failed though

the ultrasonic sensor should be natively very secure

[pale sigil]

I never use my front camera

EVER

[empty wren]

oh i see

neither do i when i do it is usually the ultrawide one

so i assume you want more privacy then?

[pale sigil]

No I just don't want a notch

[empty wren]

ah

[pale sigil]

Haha

Which is why I like the popup camera

[empty wren]

i would want it for privacy

[pale sigil]

The camera can't work unless it pops up and lights up

So that's as private as you'll get

[empty wren]

well it probably can

but imagine a hacker just sitting darkbss

[pale sigil]

Well ye

You'd see nothing

But no I think it has contact circuit

[empty wren]

yeah and the oppo find x has both on the motor front and back

[pale sigil]

So it only works when it's fully up

There's a delay

Because of it

[empty wren]

oh then if that is hardwired guess you are right

[pale sigil]

Sometimes I wanna snap it for science

But then I remember its my phone

XD

[vast moss]

I really don’t like the notch because it breaks the notifs, and that dang silent indicator takes up another bit of space (I like my phone on silent; I don’t need to be reminded of it)

[empty wren]

your notch is much smaller than mine

[pale sigil]

I hate them notches

[vast moss]

Yeah, it's small, but still.

[pale sigil]

More than the big ones

[empty wren]

i have the Pixel 3 XL

[vast moss]

If it's possible to remove the indicator that says the phone's on silent, please let me know because it's wasting what little space there is for the notifs

[pale sigil]

Is that the M9

[empty wren]

oh that sure Rain

[vast moss]

This? Redmi Note 8

[pale sigil]

Ah they have very similar designs

[empty wren]

look superstatus bar

[pale sigil]

I love my phone, I paid barely anything for it

[empty wren]

on the playstore

[pale sigil]

I pretty much never use my phone

[vast moss]

This phone cost me I think $165

[pale sigil]

Ever

[empty wren]

though I am not sure if it will work perfectly like on stock, in teh sense your status bar style may change

[pale sigil]

But I want a good one for the times I do

[empty wren]

best solution if you can get tasker

[vast moss]

Let me see what happens

[empty wren]

okay that app allows you to fiddle with the staus bar

there is option to amke notfiication go aroudn the ntch but ti did nto work for me

[vast moss]

And I got this device as an inexpensive alternative phone to use for apps and such to run better than my other Anroid devices

[pale sigil]

In

[vast moss]

@empty wren So which one should I get? Tasker or Superstatus bar?

[empty wren]

maybe start with superstatus bar since it is free

[vast moss]

All right

[empty wren]

they have a brightness on status bar slider in that app

[pale sigil]

Miui handles corners well imo

[empty wren]

which is so cool but breaks the sliding on the notifffication bar gesture animation

[pale sigil]

Also

[empty wren]

oh what about padding

[pale sigil]

@vast moss Google M9T and look the corners

[vast moss]

I will soon

[empty wren]

you may want to look into padding too rain, it could allow more notifications to fit

[vast moss]

Padding?

[empty wren]

yeah padding is the disatnce from the corners

at the top that is

[vast moss]

ah, I see

[pale sigil]

Padding is pretty decent

But I disable all notifications

On the status bar

[empty wren]

your corners look fine on the bottom

at the top they look as they should

[vast moss]

Miui handles corners well imo
Take a good look at that corner, though. It’s ever-so-slightly cut off

[empty wren]

i was against curving corners for the reason you lost space and the corners were nto near the frame

[empty wren]

you could move the icons closer to the end of the screen

[vast moss]

Aw, man, I miss special shapes and transparency in Android app icons

[empty wren]

yeah only launchers with icon pack support

[vast moss]

Had them on my Galaxy Tab A but not the Redmi Note 8

[pale sigil]

This is one the main reasons I sfolled using mh one

[empty wren]

kinda sad honestly i miss them normally too

[pale sigil]

My camera was possessed

[empty wren]

it is like it sees another dimensiooooon

[pale sigil]

This was a random issue that just got worse and worse on my HTC one

I never figured it out

[empty wren]

could be the upside down

anyways what i am lookign at anyways

i see a lampost

[pale sigil]

I kinda wanna figure out what it was

Nope that's just an led

😂

From my fan

[empty wren]

what??!?!?!?

[empty wren]

noo way dude

[pale sigil]

?

[empty wren]

such a difference

those corrupted pictures look like they were taken at an angle

and that light looked like a lampost one

[empty wren]

mind if i download your photo and use it to see if i can see what went wrong

[empty wren]

whoah

i think some part of your sensor failed

like maybe the part that is suppsoed to block out infra red

[pale sigil]

It changes color

Sometimes

Doesn't matter where you point it

If its dark

Bright

[empty wren]

whoah

[pale sigil]

Etc

It'll it'll always be like this

[empty wren]

so artisitc

[pale sigil]

So annoying

RE: dark mode

My phone has dark mode for everything

[empty wren]

htc?

[pale sigil]

No my current phone

With miui

[empty wren]

oh does it have darkmode amoled black for every app

including discord

[pale sigil]

Not every app

But discord yes

[vast moss]

Looking through SSB, I don't know how to remove that indicator, or really change anything. Messing around with it a bit says I might need a special permission, but I'm not sure quite how to get it

[empty wren]

amoled black?

[empty wren]

woah

that looks like high contrast though'

[pale sigil]

You do know anyone can run amoled dark mode in discord right

[empty wren]

@vast moss there be status bar icons somewhere it is a section

they can since when

[pale sigil]

Quite some time now

[empty wren]

ahh why did i not have that option

[pale sigil]

Because you're a peasant

[empty wren]

:S i am serious i was in ther recently

[pale sigil]

Spam tap dark mode

[empty wren]

whatever you still have grey on the header part

[pale sigil]

That's discord

[empty wren]

See

[pale sigil]

Huh

[empty wren]

Rain

And click modify after that

[pale sigil]

Anyway

Gotta go sleep lol

[empty wren]

well good night to you

apparently the camera sensor got heated up too much the cpu to some reports

[pale sigil]

Also using this HTC made me realise how much I love fast charging

You mean my camera?

[empty wren]

the htc one

[pale sigil]

So it's a flaw then

[empty wren]

yes

it may because it was too close to the camera

or soemthing else

the nexus 6p bootlopped because the joints got loose of the cpu

[pale sigil]

I remember the nexus 5 👀

[empty wren]

that was a good one too

[pale sigil]

Plastic boi

Budget King

[empty wren]

i saw someone with it before

though i never got to use it myself

@vast moss

[vast moss]

All right, I'm on that screen.

[empty wren]

okay so you can click on what i highlighted

then click modify when that appears

[vast moss]

Yep

[empty wren]

then select ringer

or whatecver it is called in the icons section

[vast moss]

Sound mode, but OK

Now do I follow the steps to grant the ADB perm?

[empty wren]

i will warn though ahead of time your sound mode will be disabled in the icon all

and yeah you will need to if it asks

so no silent/vibrate icon

[vast moss]

I keep my phone on silent all the time; I don't like ringers.

[empty wren]

well awesome for you then

if you want to run the adb command

downloads this https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/platform-tools

after you did all that make sure to press start in the app main activity screen

if the icon is not hidden

[vast moss]

Still working on doing the thing

[empty wren]

okay

take your tiempo bud

[vast moss]

Cool, thanks for your patience.

So, I think I got ADB set up, but I can't grant the permission. It says to run a specific command, but running that command yields an exception for not having another perm.

[empty wren]

hmm

can you screenshare mayve

[vast moss]

I can't do a full screenshare (not enough Internet speeds) but I can send a screenshot of PowerShell

[empty wren]

ah okay

[empty wren]

ah i see you cannot do that

add ./ in front adb

this a foreign set of commands

powershell no likey

[vast moss]

Oh, use forward-slash?

[empty wren]

well try that

but i see another error, which is troubling is the phone powered on runnign commands

[vast moss]

same result

[empty wren]

not sleeping

that is

[vast moss]

Yeah, the screen's on and all

[empty wren]

hmm

okay do this

[empty wren]

run

./adb shell

then run the rest of the command

do not run the adb shell part

after running it seperately

[vast moss]

same old

Should I give the GRANT_RUNTIME_PERMISSIONS perm first?

[empty wren]

yeah i guess

also what is up with the yen symbol

i see it in place of slashes

[vast moss]

My non-Unicode language is set to Japanese

[empty wren]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[vast moss]

for things like Japanese rhythm games and whatnot

[empty wren]

okay, i just found it strange you were entering that

[vast moss]

Yeah, I get that

[empty wren]

so did the runtime permission granting work

[vast moss]

I'm not sure how to do that, to be honest

[empty wren]

run what it is

[vast moss]

oh, I made a typo. dang

fixed the typo, still nothing

[empty wren]

i wonder if this is in settings thing

like how apps can display over

look for write system settings

in the settings of the app

or some similar permission

that should allow to command that we wanted to run in the first place

and to clarrify you go to the settings app and find the app in there

[vast moss]

This?

[empty wren]

not that

go back once

[vast moss]

Oh, to Other Permissions > Modify system settings?

[empty wren]

si senor

[vast moss]

excelente. let me check if it'll go now, or is there something else I should do first?

[empty wren]

not really

though i do not get why adb cannot flick that permission

[vast moss]

still, there be nada

[empty wren]

no

run ./adb shell

and then the rest of the command when the shell is on the phone

[vast moss]

All right, will do

still no result

well, same as always

[empty wren]

In the developers menu, you will find usb debugging and a bit more down the other one. I had to select both to get it working (mi 9t pro on miui 11 android 10)

from "Dxue"

[vast moss]

I got regular USB debugging, but to enable USB debugging (Security settings) I need to make a Mi account. thanks Xiaomi.

[empty wren]

wdf

also that is strange to me that there is a monitor on commands, i get why but to the developer/tweaker that is frustrating

[vast moss]

Yeah

[empty wren]

it used to be calledDisable Permission Monitoring

a lot people do not know about install from unknown sources so i do not know how they would get into the hiddne develepr options

[vast moss]

I've already enabled installation from third-party sources for some apps (I don't know if MIUI has an option to always allow it without having to go per-source though)

[empty wren]

well that is new to android

not on xiaomi specifically

that is good though

on my end i have usb debugging and that is it

[vast moss]

I suppose I should do USB debugging (Security settings) too, though?

[empty wren]

yep

[vast moss]

All right, give me a bit to make an account. Guess it's about time I made one anyway

[empty wren]

because it is a local big brother watching and tell uh uh uh

[vast moss]

Insert your SIM card
but I don't have one

[empty wren]

o.O

[vast moss]

This is just my alternate device; I don't even know if any US SIM cards will work with it
It's the international version, but still

[empty wren]

it said SIM not what kind of fsim

[vast moss]

Now it wants me to check my network connection. Sure, it's bad, but it's still usable right now.

[empty wren]

how fast is it?

[vast moss]

Usually in the double-digits of KB/s, sometimes triple. Not sure what it is at this very moment, but I can use Discord without too much pain, so probably not too little

[empty wren]

jeez

[vast moss]

Yeah. Not good for gaming or VCs, but OK for text chat most days

I live out in the middle of next-to-nowhere with a subpar ISP

[empty wren]

ah middle of nowhere

[vast moss]

yeah

[empty wren]

there were some projects to fix that, looks like they did not do their job

[vast moss]

Guess not

I'm running off Wi-Fi with no SIM card inserted into this device

[empty wren]

That sounds pretty cool Locke

[vast moss]

yeah. Maybe I'd use it on my actual phone if it weren't an iPhone

[empty wren]

is that why you are comfortable with miui

like it is not bad i put it on my Google Nexus 6p for a while

[vast moss]

I got the Redmi Note 8 as an Android device I could use to run games and such with not-sucky performance

[empty wren]

what iPhone do you use then

[vast moss]

6S

I mean, it's not bad, but I've had other android devices that are way behind on versions

[empty wren]

well on the topic of that, most devices i would say come with all the features day one

and people do not care about updates liekly for that reason

[vast moss]

These are devices running Android 2, 4 and 5

[empty wren]

so oems did not have to try

also android phones have a longer lifetime than an iPhone

not durability not updates but from the perspective of the target platform

[vast moss]

The 6S is still receiving updates. It was the oldest phone to get iOS 13 so I doubt it'll get 14, but for now it still seems to be getting updates

[empty wren]

yeah that will be a heavy blow

[vast moss]

Yeah, there went plenty of older apps

[empty wren]

because on the point of that some people use their phones until it is time to literally let go of them

and on the topic off older apps, newer apps support quite old android versions which what i mean as the target plaform

[vast moss]

Ah

[empty wren]

apps have more of an impact in the long run

like the dark mode i sent you

you may not have gmail dark mode but that app should awaken uit

[vast moss]

Hopefully; I have yet to check

also, I'm going to try using mobile data to see if it'll take my network connection

[empty wren]

okay

[vast moss]

Insert your SIM card

end of the line here, I guess

[empty wren]

what you need a sim?

[vast moss]

Yeah, as I mentioned earlier before having alleged network issues

[empty wren]

hmm, does your iPhone have one?

[vast moss]

Yep

[empty wren]

why not put it in there for a second

[vast moss]

I can try

Assuming I figure out how to open the SIM tray. Can I just use a paperclip?

[empty wren]

of course

[vast moss]

One of my older Android devices should have one in it too, though that's from when a friend had it

[empty wren]

maybe try that first, do not know why xiaomi needs to know your carrier

[vast moss]

all right, just a sec then as I get that phone out

[empty wren]

Is that beyond the US, I never heard of that

[vast moss]

USA! USA!

/s ofc

[empty wren]

Yeah sad how they charge organ prices for limited data and yet in the other regions people get cheap mobile internet

I know of data sims, that lock onto the data of that number

hmm interesting

[vast moss]

Older SIM, doesn't fit XD

[empty wren]

Google Fi does too, it has deals with a bunch carriers but they only offer a data sim with number sim.

Older SIM, doesn't fit XD
@vast moss from which phone

[vast moss]

Samsung Galaxy S4 mini

[empty wren]

okay cutting time if you want

[vast moss]

I can try the 6S next

[empty wren]

i wonder how many devices use the sim or microsim version

anyways in the future it will lose meaning

my phone has esim already

[vast moss]

6S's fits

[empty wren]

great

3D touch is so cool

[vast moss]

yeah

[empty wren]

i went into a tmobile store

and i got to try an iPhone 11 Pro Max and I compared it the iPhone XS Max

big difference in response

[vast moss]

I see

[empty wren]

3D touch was analog input for the iPhone basically

after you make your account, you will only need to run two commands

./adb shell and the rest of it

[vast moss]

yeah, I got the SIM inserted and the options enabled so I can go back

[empty wren]

also you can technically run the command on your phone

but i think it would need superuser

[vast moss]

got it

[empty wren]

amazing

now if you disable the toggle for the sound mode

does it make your silent mode icon vanish

[vast moss]

yep

[empty wren]

awesome

[vast moss]

thanks for the help

[empty wren]

of course, did you try the gmail thing

[vast moss]

not yet, let me do that quick

[empty wren]

yeah may as well hit two birds with one stone

[vast moss]

Nope, not there

[empty wren]

even after toggling dark mode

[vast moss]

Apparently Gmail isn't a supported app

[empty wren]

wow

[vast moss]

Yeah

[empty wren]

i wonder if this modified apk then

there is*

[vast moss]

Maybe, if they already have one for YouTube (Vanced)

[empty wren]

because an xposed module suppsoedly exposes it

wait you have android pie right

[vast moss]

yeah

[empty wren]

hmm

gmail is what version

[vast moss]

2020.04.12.307915656.Release

so latest on the Play Store

[empty wren]

https://teamblackedout.com/BlackedOut/

keyword BlackGmail7.9.24.170548882.zip

extract the zip, go into /system/app to get that apk

[vast moss]

App not installed.

[empty wren]

maybe uninstall the gmail app first

[vast moss]

I don't have the option

[empty wren]

damn

[vast moss]

yeah

[empty wren]

so it is preinstalled?

well then, i hope older versions can get dark mode in the near future

actually there may be one last way left

i will look into it

[vast moss]

Guess it is preinstalled

I can uninstall all updates to the app, but that's the extent of it

[empty wren]

well maybe try that

[vast moss]

App not installed.

[empty wren]

okay well then sigh, really wish there was an alternate vesion of this

[vast moss]

Yeah

[empty wren]

i will need to make a very small modification then

though it will be like a seperate app

[vast moss]

hum, ok

[empty wren]

so you would have two gmail apps

though at point you could disable the preinstalled one

anyways i will get back to you with it

[vast moss]

All right

[old marlin]

oppo phones now available at german vodafone

[hoary dock]

Telekom got the OnePlus'

so i think they got the better deal

[old marlin]

same company

also phones are a lot more expensive at telekom

from what I remember

https://www.caseking.de/hgc-osmi-3.1-aluminium-mini-itx-gehaeuse-weiss-geom-002.html

the more I look at it the more I don't like it

[ashen spindle]

so, are you still busy for the 20th @reef patrol ? or did you not get samples? :p

[reef patrol]

No stuff incoming rn 😄

[ashen spindle]

rip, or not, no need to set up LN2 then

[feral tinsel]

++++++

[young flicker]

https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/142474-purported-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-es-specs-revealed/

A YouTuber supposedly got their hands on either an engineering sample or the test results from an engineering sample.

[ashen spindle]

yeah I wouldnt trust that at all

I looked at one somewhat recent video and he was talking about amd must be confident if they "literally call their next gpu Navi 2X"

like if you dont understand that x is not meant as a twice but as a placeholder, I dont trust anything you "leak"

[young flicker]

Well that's that guy, this one supposedly has an actual leak of information taken from an engineering sample. Obviously any "leak" or "rumor" should be taken with a huge grain of salt but I won't be surprised if this is relatively accurate. Like the article about the actual leak says, AMD is forcing their hand.

[ashen spindle]

what? the guy I talked about is the one who supposedly has the 3080ti specs

I didnt throw in some random other guy

[young flicker]

Ah, okay I misunderstood that comment. Either way, if the leak is real the information is real no matter how dumb the guy may be.

[ashen spindle]

yeah I just dont dont trust him at all if he doesnt understand it, so all those numbers are just made up to me

and comments like "rdna2 forced nvidias hand" makes no sense, the entire design of ampere was done before rdna2 numbers in any form were known

[young flicker]

They could have easily offered cut down cards.

Anyway, I'll bet you five bucks for fun that they're accurate to within 10%.

[ashen spindle]

at most they could've gone for better binning from the get so so lets be generous and say 5-10% depending what chip we are looking at

[young flicker]

Okay, 5-10% better than they would have otherwise offered on top of the generational leap. In that context it doesn't sound ridiculous at all.

And to play devil's advocate for the guy when it comes to "Navi 2X" what could that be a placeholder for? 21? lol

[ashen spindle]

yes? 5700(xt) is Navi 10

like A102/A104 etc that nvidia uses for their cards

[young flicker]

Okay, then the point still stands than instead of it being Navi 15 or whatever, it's Navi 20-something.

[ashen spindle]

well yeah exactly

he thought it meatn navi 2 X as in twice navi

[young flicker]

So take that bet?

[ashen spindle]

what bet?

[young flicker]

"Anyway, I'll bet you five bucks for fun that they're accurate to within 10%."

Hell make it 5%.

[ashen spindle]

I saw the name of the source and closed the site because I think he has zero credibility lmao

so no, I don't care enough about it lmao

[young flicker]

Riiiiight lol.

"Nah that information is trash. Bet an inconsequential amount that it's trash? Naaaaah, excuse here."

[ashen spindle]

if someone who leaked GA100 in january/February literally posts "Who is "MOORE LAW IS DEAD" ? ? ?
Can you stop talking anymore ? ? ?" I just dont see any reason to trust that source?

[young flicker]

I'm not saying you should trust that source, I can't vouch for the guy. I said let's make a fun gentleman's bet of a measly five dollars that his information in this particular instance is relatively correct.

[ashen spindle]

but its not like I want him to be wrong or anything lmao I just said it's basically a baseless rumour, and those can randomly be spot on as well

[young flicker]

And somebody always wins the lottery.

It's not like we're talking about a game of guess a number one through ten.

(Or the lottery either.)

[ashen spindle]

at least no prices were mentioned, because those would've 100% been fake :p

[young flicker]

Right lol. I'd be willing to bet REAL money that they won't be cheaper but I'm still hoping that they'll be around the same price. Especially if AMD really can give them a run for their money. I don't expect that, though.

[ashen spindle]

I mean they would be fake because literally nobody knows it already

for Turing jensen decided on the prices backstage before the launch

[young flicker]

Yeah I heard about that.

[orchid silo]

Big Navi is expected to perform like 2080Ti at 700 buck or so, so there is hopöe

But who knows

[young flicker]

That's why I mentioned AMD's performance. I think the prices will be based on AMD's competitiveness this time around.

[ashen spindle]

yeah for sure

[young flicker]

A 700 dollar 2080 Ti would be pretty sick though.

[ashen spindle]

which is why I hope they make a good deal and also dont fuck up launch with issues again

[young flicker]

I guess when AMD bought ATi they decided to keep the driver issues lol.

[ashen spindle]

keep drivers, bring in PR failures

[young flicker]

All part of the long con to set expectations so low that anything decent is hailed as the second coming.

[ashen spindle]

well they had that going for them but then forgot to not fuck up afterwards again lmao

[orchid silo]

Well, AMD are the kings of value and have always been. While nVidia is still on top on pretty much everything than price in the GPU sector (5700XT is cheaper and performs a couple of percentages worse than 2070Super, but AMD aint got no 2080Ti monster), AMD vs. Intel is another story. Intel got 5-10% higher fps in games and some ST tools, but when you get 6 more cores and and 12 more threads for the same price (3950X vs. 10900K) with a 5-10% ST loss in just some tools, its a no brainer.

Always if you exclude Bulldozer

[ashen spindle]

the issue is just if they keep up that after zen3 when they are just the better option in everything

or if they just become intel

[orchid silo]

Yea, I get what you say. But since Intel is a company with like 10-15x higher revenue than AMD I kinda doubt that they will become as "lets keep 4 cores for 10 years before we improve it for the masses"-mindsety.

[ashen spindle]

hopefully not

bulldozer did get them a class action lawsuit after all and its not like that was an amazing product lol

[orchid silo]

@ashen spindle Damn, unrelated, but check this out. Just a minute or so https://youtu.be/p1PgNbgWSyY?t=1247

[ashen spindle]

lmao yeah I know that effect when I used to spin in my chair

[young flicker]

Can you guys recommend a good amp with multiple outputs?

[orchid silo]

pc or speaker system?

[young flicker]

PC.

Basically one for headphones and one for speakers. I assume mic amps aren't really a think outside of professional studios.

[orchid silo]

https://se.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blasterx-g6 perhaps

Got line in, line out, 3.5mm out and mic in.

Thats how I roll today

[young flicker]

That looks pretty decent but I was hoping for one that has individual volume controls. As for the USB headphone DAC/amp I've got a Modi Multibit and a Magni, but I bought the Magni when I wasn't planning on getting speakers and it only has the one output.

[orchid silo]

Schiit?

[young flicker]

I tried Googling it but my Google Fu was weak so I just kept getting car audio or unrelated stuff.

Yeah, Schiit.

[orchid silo]

So you just want a manual mic controller basically?

[young flicker]

The mic isn't really important it would just be nice as a bonus. I'm planning on getting a condenser mic and the one that was recommended to me is USB already anyway, so I guess that's pretty much a non-issue. My bad for being confusing. I mostly just want to have my headphones and speakers on one amp that lets me control the volume of each one individually.

[orchid silo]

Condencer mic = XLR?

Just get https://www.thomann.de/se/tc_helicon_go_xlr_mini.htm

[young flicker]

Damn that looks pretty fancy.

[orchid silo]

$170 aint that much

[young flicker]

I didn't mean it negatively, just that it looks really nice.

$250 and out of stock everywhere in the U.S. except Amazon which has one of those scalper-type sellers listing it for $500. Big lul.

[orchid silo]

@latent mural Well, depends on 3000-performance. Its not like the 2080Ti will cut its price by 50% to match it.

[young flicker]

You could have stopped after prices lol.

[solar hinge]

the 2080ti starts at like 1200

if they drop it to 700

[orchid silo]

Everything over 2070Super/5700XT is stupid imo.

[solar hinge]

it'll cause mayhem

your opinion doesn't really matter though 🙂

[orchid silo]

I kno2

[young flicker]

I managed to get a 2080 Ti for the price of a 2070 Super.

*SOME 2070 Supers

[solar hinge]

how much is it then?

[young flicker]

*Very few 2070 Supers lol

I hadn't looked into them.

[solar hinge]

2070 supers here start at like 500 something

so if you got a 2080ti for that price...

gimme one as well :p

[young flicker]

K I take it back, the prices I was looking at weren't from Newegg themselves.

[orchid silo]

Have an acquaintance who bought a 2080Ti for $150 just cause the owner said it was broken and crasched all the time - He changed thermal paste and refitted the cooler 😄

[young flicker]

Lucky bastard.

[orchid silo]

Well, was a gamble, might have been broken

[young flicker]

I got mine from eVGA, they have their B Stock on sale on Wednesdays. I got it for $850, a solid $400 off.

[orchid silo]

Hehe, like @solar hinge said, 2070S are starting at 500. 850 is 2080 Super territory. Still good price.

[young flicker]

Yeah, I should've looked a little harder than just a quick glance on Newegg before opening my mouth lol.

[orchid silo]

😄

[young flicker]

It's been so long since I built a computer that I still forget that they allow third party sellers now.

[orchid silo]

So you bought your last computer in the 90s?

[young flicker]

I don't remember seeing a single one around 2010. If they were there then they were at least a lot less prominent.

Everything I saw was still handled by Newegg.

My memory isn't always the greatest though so maybe I'm just misremembering.

[orchid silo]

The cheapest 2070S in Sweden goes for 610 bucks.

Cheapest 5700XT is $430.

5990

Im not a dick 😄

I dont wanna be one of those who ask "how much is a cup of coffee at Starbucks?", instead of searching themself. I mean, it would go so much faster.

[young flicker]

I found something along the lines of what I was looking for! https://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer/MICROAMP-HA400-Headphone-Amp.gc

[orchid silo]

Behringer is a good value company

Got their 2031A speakers.

Well, sometime back, around 2010s the dollar was 6.3sek per dollar, now its 9,8sek per dollar. I miss those times.

[solar hinge]

also known as the "overpaying noob"

[orchid silo]

@prisma crag Yea, everything is more fun to buy if its cheap. If you saw $60, you knew it was like half the price of what it is in Sweden. But since then the SEK has ate a turd and lost 30% of its value as well as Sweden introducing a "chemical/technic"-tax, not to mention the "storage tax".

[zenith sonnet]

I expect next gen GPU prices to (partially) based on the Xbox Series X (what the short for that?) and PS5 specs/prices
You can't really sell a GPU that's comparable to the next gen Xbox for the same price as the entire console

[reef patrol]

(From Aorus SoMe)

[old marlin]

wtf

[zenith sonnet]

Things went wrong

[split cipher]

cooling for the cables

[halcyon moss]

hmm 🤔

[torpid monolith]

Gotta keep the attic chilled

[shadow minnow]

What do you think about eve spectrum monitor? It has some interesting specs

[wheat plume]

ah yes, bashing the pixel 4 gg Xiaomi

[halcyon moss]

ah yes even less border on the sides so even more accidental screen presses

[old marlin]

never had any

didn't have to learn "how to grip my phone correctly"

[wheat plume]

thats not what this is showing

its comparing the corners of the screens and how the curve is less pixely

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume did I miss anything important

[wheat plume]

idk im watching it now

https://youtu.be/Dh6LOjHAn1o

[vast moss]

ah yes even less border on the sides so even more accidental screen presses
I have enough as is leave me alone please

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15807/amd-to-support-zen-3-and-ryzen-4000-cpus-on-b450-and-x470-motherboards nice

[reef patrol]

[shadow minnow]

Waiting for iPhone 12 pro 😄 hope it has 120hz

[crimson wigeon]

we did it leddit

[ashen spindle]

on one hand amd in the future will surely be more cautious with promises especially now that they are no longer the underdog, but also nothing misleading from that then 😄

[halcyon moss]

they are still the underdog

[reef patrol]

That'll teach them to promise four years of support indeed 😄

[ashen spindle]

not in the area that cares about this

OEM's dont care about this at all

[reef patrol]

Oh no not at all. They'll still be buying DDR4 based hardware once DDR5 is out the doors.

They can choose not to care. Most companies don't

[ashen spindle]

yeah, but in the enthusiast space, where one would care about b450/x470 upgrade paths, intel has no chance atm, aside from XOC

[fickle ore]

fuck

[warped dove]

Fake outrage lol

do people actually upgrade their CPUs?

[ashen spindle]

yes?

especially now that it's actually possible in a longer timeframe without changing board

[warped dove]

I've been thinking to myself, I'd be delusional to think that I need more than 6700k

Don't get me wrong 7nm seems great

But I'm not doing much compute, not even my biggest games or compile times, and doesnt everyone stream with nvinc

I fucking love that rear-motherboard CPU cooler by the way

unironically sign me up for an AIO watercooling block that goes on the back of the motherboard.

(aside from space constraints, the real issue would be that everyone board layout is different)

Do you have any good sources of analysis of that? I'd like to see

[pale sigil]

I went from a 8350 to 6600k then to 7700k

I don't see myself upgrading for a while now

[warped dove]

Q6600 to 6700K lol

lucked out, both are basically golden samples that overclock(ed) amazingly with low temps

I do

[pale sigil]

He's kinda right but also wrong

It depends on the games

But you do need a cpu to deal with much higher frames

[split cipher]

yeah, but you need a good gpu too

[warped dove]

So am I to conclude that to stay competitive I should -always- have the latest CPU?

[ashen spindle]

frame spikes/ 1% lows etc are also for the biggest part caused by cpu bottlenecks, so smoothing out your experience comes from the cpu quite often

[split cipher]

not the latest cpu, just a cpu that is not limiting your fps too much

(that is not limiting your gpu)

[ashen spindle]

*assuming you at least have a mid tier gpu solution

[split cipher]

if you got a 1050ti and a 9900k, how could the 9900k limit the 1050ti?

[ashen spindle]

open csgo at low resolution with low graphic settings and you have your answer

[split cipher]

but even if you are a competitive-guy, why would you do that?

[pale sigil]

FRAMES

[ashen spindle]

because better looking stones dont help you win at all?

[split cipher]

latency that you can barely notice, frames, that you can get with a better gpu and... yes

[ashen spindle]

you asked from the view of a competitive-guy not someone who doesnt care about it ¯_(ツ)_/¯