well that didn't change anyhing for you, if you plan a build for zen3 there was no point in getting anything outside b550 or x670
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
well, there is still some time till zen3 so they better find their shoes and kick this bs away
latent mural
cries in 450
ashen spindle
dont cry yet theres still hope
latent mural
i wasn't going to upgrade anyway
so there's that at least
though the idea of having to switch mobo down the line...
oof
i gotta keep my 3600 for so long the 550 would've been outdated anyway hoho
ashen spindle
well it will be a new socket with zen4 anyway
latent mural
good hoho
i cheaped out a bit with the new build and i know from experience that future proofing is a futile endeavour
though having new shiny stuff this quickly would kinda sting x)
ashen spindle
well to some degree sure, am4 socket was supposed to be a thing build with it in mind
latent mural
but yeh i'll keep it as-is for a long while, same as i always did
by the time i decide to tough it out and build something new odds are i would've had to replace everything anyway
reef patrol
Big brain time. My Corsair headphones need charging while I use them during the day (cause I'm home all day - go figure)
The included cable is 1m. Not quite long enough to sit comfortably and play. So I go down to buy a 2-3m cable. None in stock. Fine...I'll just buy a 5m extension cable 😄
torpid monolith
Ayeee the new ryzen 3300x looks fire
mortal bison
lol
zenith sonnet
In the light of 3300/3100 reviews, looks like the gap between the older Zen 2 CPUs and the 9900KS got a little smaller, too
wheat plume
Is it possible to have 3 drives setup on your computer
One for Window, One for Linux and the other for games and your personal files?
or would that not work out if you want to change what Linux distro you have installed?
split cipher
with virtual machines, it should work (i think)
wheat plume
wat?
crimson wigeon
Course you can set that up why wouldn't you be able to
split cipher
with a virtual machine, you can open a system like a programm
wheat plume
I know what a VM is
i dont see how that would help at all in what I asked though
I dont want to play games in a windows VM , GPU passthrough sucks
split cipher
you can have multiple start-devices
wheat plume
is there a way to install windows on 1 drive and make it store your personal stuff on a second one? like your folders such as picture and downloads etc be in another drive?
crimson wigeon
Yes it's very easy just do the install then move folders
wheat plume
you can move them ?? wat ok then
crimson wigeon
like so
wheat plume
hmmmmmmm
reef patrol
You can definitely run a setup with that many installations, but experience tells me Windows will manage to fuck it up eventually 😆
wheat plume
XDD
split cipher
this is better
shut vessel
Anyone here into audio equipment? Looking for a eq and a mixer that can take 3 inputs and output it to headphones
pale sigil
@neat oriole
wheat plume
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
fallow bison
I think about 40% of my school files are called AAAAAAAAAAAA
wheat plume
XD
fallow bison
just because when i finally get shit to work i freak out
and then AAAAAAAAAAAAA was born
neat oriole
Equalizer apo does system wide eq
shut vessel
Aah that's software I guess? I'm looking for a physical one
Those
Just looking for an eq to put my music through, been looking at old used ones but hardly any for sale
But tuner is for radio stations over the air or at least that's what I know a tuner as
My dad gas that Herman kardon one
Not looking for so sonething like that!
Bleh, maybe a used one will be available again at some point
I have a behringer umc404hd for my mic and headphones, I have 2 outputs on it, combined with the one my motherboard has I'd have 3, wanted to use one for music and put an eq between it, use 1 for voice like discord and another for the rest
Then gave that go into a small mixer for volume control on 3 channels
Sonething like that
neat oriole
Software is better than most hardware solutions eq wise
orchid silo
wat
orchid silo
The HW has its limit of performance, but how close the performance of that solution comes to that limit is soley based on how good the SW is.
Yea, I got you now. Not all HW solutions use software
Or at least windows software.
neat oriole
Well yeah they’re analog
zenith sonnet
Having built my first loop half a year ago, I can safely tell, it's not
orchid silo
I built mine last year, but changed it into a Louqe Ghost, holy dang Im happy I did too. But I guess thats moslty because I dont game that much and temps doesnt matter that much. A Ghost is like an 7th in size of a fracalt S2 which I used for my loop.
zenith sonnet
My VII now runs at 30°C full load instead of 70°C on the stock cooler
orchid silo
Yea, if your GPU is at 30c at load its not reading the values correct.
orchid silo
There is a "thumb rule"(Swedish saying) which is that the GPU in a good custom loop will be around 20c over that of the CPU.
zenith sonnet
Hah, no, the GPU temp is correct
The CPU is hitting up to 60°C of load spikes
orchid silo
Ah, might be the other way around 😄
zenith sonnet
Heat just doesn't get out fast enough
orchid silo
But I assure you, you dont have 30c during 100% load
zenith sonnet
I might need a better CPU block
Not for very long, at least
I'm missing some fans still, so the water hits uncomfortable 35-38°C on long sessions
orchid silo
30c is the "basic" idle temp of a custom loop.
zenith sonnet
My GPU idles at 25°C
orchid silo
Im not sure how that programme uses the junction temp vs lowest/highest temp.
zenith sonnet
I don't think it displays junction temp, just classic GPU temp
Afterburner reads that, sec
orchid silo
Use Wattman
Jayz2Cents gets ~75c with a stock VII using an EK block, So i would be surprised that you somehow got 35c lower temps
orchid silo
Are you under 100% load?
orchid silo
Yea, and around 30 is standard idle temps for loops 😛
zenith sonnet
3 displays, all with different resolutions/refresh rates, so it's higher than it should be
I'm still waiting for the AF-12x25 chromax 😦
orchid silo
Go download furmark
zenith sonnet
Until then, I'm only using three 3€ fans for cooling :p
Guess my memory was a little off
Fire Strike Extreme and Time Spy Extreme I hit 11°C above water, or 45°C on the GPU
Wife's been playing AC:Od for a while
GPU stabilised at 48°C when the water reached equilibrium
Which is pretty decent, considering the 3 shitty fans :p
orchid silo
I dont wanna be a bitch or seem mean to you, but you have to understand that your readings are wrong. There is no chance in hell that you get 30c under every other custom loops. Considering you using "bad fans" too.
zenith sonnet
BitFenix Spectre 120mm Lüfter - schwarz, 3 Stück
Cheapest fans I could find, lol
I didn't expect having to wait this long for the Noctua fans, though 😦
I dunno what temps you expect to see?
Junction temp? Sitting at 67°C
That's the highest I can give you
orchid silo
Jayz gets around 78c with custom loop and gamer nexus gets 68c not 30c like youstated before 😛
Yea, thats more like it 😛
zenith sonnet
But it's not really comparable with anything other than VII's
orchid silo
Well thats why im comparing it with their Radeon VII temps
zenith sonnet
I was using GPU temp because you can compare it with other GPUs
orchid silo
Custom loops are cooler than air coolers, but they are no miracle workers. It's not a 60c delta to air, more like 15-20c in a good loop, compared to air 😛 Didnt want anyone who read this to think that water cooling will give you 30c during load.
zenith sonnet
Chillers are still water cooling 🤔
orchid silo
Nope, in a chiller it is something cooling the water 😛
zenith sonnet
You can definitely aim for 40°C on a good loop, though
I get a 11°C delta between GPU and water, and a good loop can keep the water at less than 9°C delta to the air
orchid silo
The delta to air I was talking about was air cooled vs. water cooled.
Not room temp.
And no, 40c in a custom loop is something I've never heard of during load.
Id say 60c is a temp rule, depending on clocks and chip
ashen spindle
ye we had a long talk about that earlier here
I fully expect it to still work just not for 0.01% of cases and thus not to be offical
zenith sonnet
And yet there are some people that run a 3950X on a A320
This all can and will be extended by manufacturers
ashen spindle
potentially not, depending on what they changed or mandate
but I raged on amd earlier already, not repeating that
sick creek
I mean you cant expect them to support every single new feature indefinitely
As much as i’d like that too, it’s unrealistic.
reef patrol
B450 was and is the best deal though.
X570 is such a luxury item with no real benefits for what you pay.
timid chasm
but newer therefore superior!
reef patrol
timid chasm
by the time I need an upgrade B450 won't matter
ashen spindle
the issue is there is nothig new coming, from what we know its artificially segmented
reef patrol
Mhmm
halcyon moss
lol
wheat plume
halcyon moss
thats old news that they dropped vr for osx
wheat plume
because of Catalina's lack of 32bit anything?
halcyon moss
also, 11 minutes on that one news thingy? geezus
wheat plume
he talks about VR headsets and the rise of VR users too
and the rise of Linux gamers
halcyon moss
eaverything to draw it out to 11 minutes :p
zenith sonnet
For AM5, AMD needs to strictly specify a ROM size, not something along the lines of 'at least 128 Mb'
Then there will be no confusion when manufacturers use larger ROM sizes and enable additional CPU support
Maybe they learned something
ashen spindle
doesnt matter, am5 wont live as long anyway
wheat plume
experiemental_unfuckery
zenith sonnet
Why not run LTSC?
wheat plume
cause idgaf and will only be using this until next week
or at worst case over summer
ashen spindle
if its just for a week why bother with that at all
zenith sonnet
The Ryzen 3 3100 is turning out to be a fun little toy for enthusiasts. PC enthusiast TSAIK succeeded in overclocking it to 5923 MHz under extreme cooling. The chip was fed 1.45 Volts, and put under liquid nitrogen cooling, to achieve the feat.
That's pretty cool
Especially at that voltage
wheat plume
cause if I do shit on the project I will have to keep windows installed for summer too
ashen spindle
then why not wait till you know if you need it longer
ashen spindle
could use the time you waste on this to make sure you don't fail it :^)
wheat plume
yup
but its hard for me to work on this project again
not knowing what to add or how to add things to it
so im wasting time and feeling depressed
yay...
I want to make a way to record when a member pays but idk how to make that
it would let you select a member and see all renewals with their id in it
and add new renewal
fair gull
block telemetry
is opt in anyway during setup
disable service
50% of windows stops functioning right
disable windows defender
i dont see a reason to disable it unless u actually want viruses
fix privacy settings
same as the telemetry
optimize windows update
what?
wheat plume
im curious what optimise-user-interface does
ashen spindle
true didnt read what the text said, they do sound like snake oil
wheat plume
yeah it is
ashen spindle
fluffy tail??? what
timid chasm
optimize seems like an odd choice of words just for that stuff
wheat plume
old volume slider?
oo this is neat
makes the file explorer open in the "This PC" page
timid chasm
1 click Lana
wheat plume
your photo, documents, downloads etc wtf
timid chasm
You wanted it optimized didn't you?
fair gull
user folders are a fad anyway
but i hate the folders at the top in the this pc section
timid chasm
Also from File explorer: View > Options > "Open File Explorer to: This PC
crimson wigeon
not like it's a hidden setting or anything...
wheat plume
true
ashen spindle
shhh dont scare the linux user away with easy gui options
wheat plume
XD
is the U in an intel CPU name meant to show its running lower voltage than the version without it?
hang on
oh yeh it is
ashen spindle
U is the 15 watt series Y is 4.5 iirc
wheat plume
wow , Y is super low power damn
my laptop has better specs than my computer but my computer has a GPU also -.- xd
halcyon moss
u mean lower power which means less performance
wheat plume
if I could swap my computer CPU out with the one in my laptop....and the SSD, its so much faster than the one I got for my computer :/
halcyon moss
thats why i got a i7-8750H in my laptop 😉 nothing of that low power stuff, performance!
its plugged in most of the time anyway
wheat plume
even with this CPU and no GPU my laptop fans are on full blast a lot of the time
;-;
not now suprisingly but its cold inside the house
if I went outside where its hot id probably ramp up the fans
its 20C....how tf is Ireland this hot? meant to be 22C tomorrow
halcyon moss
did you undervolt? :p
wheat plume
nope
halcyon moss
also a requirement for this particular cpu unfortunately to make it quiet
wheat plume
i7-7500U @ 2.70GHz
hoary dock
its 20C....how tf is Ireland this hot? meant to be 22C tomorrow
@wheat plume i need to move to ireland
halcyon moss
i7-8750H CPU @ 2.20GHz according to /proc/cpuinfo. no idea what the boost is actually
hoary dock
@halcyon moss 4.1 is the boost
wheat plume
Woahhhh thats an increase
hoary dock
halcyon moss
you know that of the top of your head? :p
ashen spindle
26C here tomorrow
wheat plume
wow
hoary dock
its in the URL even xd I just saw that
@wheat plume i wanted to point that out
for tomorrow
wheat plume
time for me to go back to trying to make a new feature happen
fair gull
just thought since u complained about the whole ur laptop has no good gpu
tegra chips are like 15watts and have nvidia cuda cores and shit
altho ur i7-7500u is half that wattage
at least when u config it down
can prob boost to like 30w
hoary dock
intel U-Processor are shit until 8th gen change my mind
ashen spindle
any 7th gen intel cpu is shit
hoary dock
8th gen is actually useable
but I dont think my next desktop cpu is going to be an intel one
halcyon moss
stresstesting puts it to 3.4ghz, fan isnt too loud
fair gull
as its looking rn my next cpu will be amd
server and desktop wise
mobile id still go tegra or arm based
halcyon moss
do those even exist?
hoary dock
MS made a Surface with ARM
halcyon moss
but that one "failed"
fair gull
who said windows lol
hoary dock
yes
fair gull
linux on everything but desktop pc tbh
hoary dock
MS Office
with OneNote
is one of the reasons I am not switching to Linux on my Laptop
and maybe because I just bought a Surface
hoary dock
name me a good onenote alternative
ashen spindle
paint
hoary dock
are there good PDF to LibreOffice Converters?
hoary dock
You see my problem
halcyon moss
use the stuff you need
fair gull
@halcyon moss google docs imports em fine iirc
i never used onenote
i dont even know what it does
onenote looks exactly like what adobe does with their tools
make em easily integrated with each other but shit with other apps
wheat plume
Oracle SQL Developer has a folder called sleepycat
and it has a java file in it
wheat plume
I kind of want to bring my laptop outside and work there
its really nice weather
this was a mistake
my laptop screen isnt bright enough
wheat plume
brightness boost hack
hoary dock
wheat plume
XDD
wheat plume
uh.....
wheat plume
I am genius mhahhahahahahha (not really)
I made the textbox show the next ID, not that complicated
omw
@hoary dock OwO was dis?
hoary dock
https://downloadmorerem.com/
@wheat plume this
wheat plume
UwU
reef patrol
hoary dock
wheat plume
zenith sonnet
Your laptop is loud because that "15W" intel CPU boosts to 60W until thermal budget is exhausted 🤔
zenith sonnet
15W in intel means strictly baseclock
zenith sonnet
Yeah, it probably runs a much more strict power profile then
wheat plume
are those profiles in BIOS or the OS?
zenith sonnet
Both
wheat plume
oh
ashen spindle
it boosts to 25w yes, not 60...
wheat plume
60W did seem too high
for a laptop this thin anyway
I forget what size this screen is now
ashen spindle
(amd also boosts well above their tdp for laptops just fyi)
wheat plume
Tablet mode = no virtual desktops so all the apps will be moved to the same one
when you leave tablet mode the windows move back to the virtual desktops they were in before you went into tablet mode
thats nice
thought id have to move them back myself
windows: doesnt have touchscreen gesture to change virtual desktop
gnome desktop: has that touchscreen gesture
hoary dock
I only use Tablet Mode when I am trying to write sth with the Surface Pen
because i always manage to "click" sth on the taskbar
wheat plume
why not!
pale sigil
reef patrol
Can't due to contracts.
reef patrol
Taran - The dude who just won't use shortcut keys 😄
wheat plume
XDDD
split cipher
480 keys
hoary dock
Taran - The dude who just won't use shortcut keys 😄
@reef patrol I mean OK with the keyboards - but tf is the mouse cable?
split cipher
self-made mouse bungee xd
pale sigil
Whats a decent email host
I have always used Outlook/Hotmail and Gmail my entire life.
fair gull
the only really decent one imo is a self host
pale sigil
Well ye
fair gull
otherwise pmuch any will do
reef patrol
An email address is too important for downtime imo. Always used Gmail with a personal domain frontend.
pale sigil
you can do that?
fair gull
yes
reef patrol
Only downside is one hour delay on mails.
reef patrol
h dear.
fair gull
i only use yahoo and my own mailserver
reef patrol
POP3 limits. You can force a refresh, but ya gotta go into settings every time.
fair gull
well i have gmails but dont mail with them
pale sigil
I like to have emails dedicated to different important things
for example paypal has its own email for that only
Windows has its own email from the past/xbox back in the days.
main email i have used most of my life
one email for an mmo
ofc this can all be sorted self host
solar hinge
i also have like 5
pale sigil
but cba dealing with downtime
i could actually self host an email and just rediect everything to one account
hmm
i mean i do that in general tbh
solar hinge
1 for work
1 for all the phones
1 main/old one
1 i don't remember what for
1 for random crap
fair gull
im not that crazy
solar hinge
i mainly use the one for work and main one
Well 'work' I also have all the insurance stuff going there. Same for other important stuff
pale sigil
shut vessel
Fuck I've used them... Us this why I've been getting a ton of phising mails recently..
Been getting shady Amazon, blizzard and paypal mails daily, was wondering if something leaked somewhere..
pale sigil
Mail server suggestions for ubuntu?
fair gull
sendmail or exim id say
shut vessel
Just got someone logging into an account of mine from russian.. something must have leaked, changing everything o.0
zenith sonnet
People are way to outraged about B450 not supporting Zen 3
ashen spindle
not really
as far as we know its arbitrary segmentation, what people always hate intel for
and amd is no longer an underdog where you might say "eh sure, at least they do x"
zenith sonnet
So far, every chipset on AM4 got at least one generation of future CPU support
That's pretty great, actually
ashen spindle
what is the argument for this to be ok and not anti consumer?
zenith sonnet
How do we know this is arbitrary, anyway?
ashen spindle
as far as we know
because what reason could be there? what is the argument for it?
if there was one wouldnt amd just say it?
zenith sonnet
How is B450 set up?
PCIe 3.0 directly form the CPU, plus PCIe 2.0 through the chipset?
Maybe that's an issue
ashen spindle
what?
I dont know how its set up but how would that matter?
zen2 running on x570 as well as 450 shows you its backwards compatible for pcie gens
like im willing to hear an argument for why b450 is not support, but there is 0 reason so far
fickle ore
yes there is
zenith sonnet
According to AMD, Zen 2 isn't supported on A320
Yet there have been BIOS updates for some
So, either there's a technical reason, or we will see the same kind of support
fickle ore
too much work for AMD and board manufacturers
which is true
4 gens -_-'
too many bugs
I mean most bioses suck anyway and have issues with 1-2 gen
imagine with 4
fickle ore
3 gen is enough for support
zenith sonnet
If anything, we should be thankful we got at least one gen of future CPU support on AM4
We all know how other manufacturers handle that...
ashen spindle
the fact that zen2 works on a320 shows its not down to technical limits, but rather bios chips size limitations, you could easily just make a bios that supports zen3 on b450 but drops zen1 support to have enough memory for it
ashen spindle
better pr, less e-waste, they kinda did say it with their marketing that it should work
fickle ore
less e-waste lol 😛
zenith sonnet
Also, what do they get, a mix and match of PCIe 2.0 through PCIe 4.0 on Zen 3, with all the issues that come with that?
fickle ore
you're not thinking this clearly through
zenith sonnet
Where did their marketing say B450 would support Zen 3?
fickle ore
ya AM4 has pcie 2 to pcie 4, it's such a nightmare to handle prob
ashen spindle
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXiqVirU0AEbBnQ?format=png&name=small this is basically what amd is doing now, what do you think how much people would be mad at intel if this was a slide?
fickle ore
Companies don't care about e-waste, they just care about $$$ unless there is money in e-waste
plus e-waste is recycled anyway due to precious metals unless some retard tosses it in the forest
ashen spindle
also the next gen is on AM5 so b550 is literally a dead end path
thick elk
It's kind of weird they break forward compatibility like that. However from what I know b550 mobo's still have to support ryzen 1000 so the maintainance there would not be any less
pale sigil
is it weird tho
zenith sonnet
There might be another simple reason:
AMD has to split their internal resources between preparing AM5, and end of life support for AM4
And honestly, I'd rather they focus on making AM5 great
ashen spindle
people dislike intel for doing this, amd announces that they keep the same socket, then they for no apparent reason break that compability, so yes it is weird
zenith sonnet
X670 will likely be AM5
Unless it's just a refresh of X570
There's no reason for another chipset inbetween
fickle ore
1 gen vs 3 gens, Quintosh.. Ppl are just stupid atm calling out on AMD.
U got free 3 gens be happy for gods sake (not you) but ppl in general
ashen spindle
the higher support should only need more bios memory
and if amd would've just said its the end with zen2 nobody would have an issue
thick elk
X470 only supports one gen up from launch, sure intel does not do any better but still.
There is also the matter of B550 only being released just now and for a big part B450 being the go-to option.
fickle ore
amd never said through 2020. Until 2020 😉
zenith sonnet
We don't know how much memory AMD specified manufacturers need to keep on their ROMs for future AGESA updates
But it's apparently not enough for all those gens
thick elk
If there is a good technical reason for it I will understand but if there is not. To me it just feels like amd is using it's comfortable position in the pc market right now
ashen spindle
^ despite earlier marketing
if there is a good reason we are missing why are they not saying it?
zenith sonnet
They never marketed that B450 would support Zen 3...
And B450 DID get one generation of forward support
ashen spindle
jesus christ can you for once just take the amd dick out of your mouth and try to argue for consumers and not one company
zenith sonnet
I think everyone is just misunderstanding things
ashen spindle
here's the timeline of why im so mad about it:
amd announces socket AM4 and says it stays compatible, down the lane we just see it might need a bios update to support newer stuff, hell it even could've supported pcie4 on b450 but due to inconsitencies they disabled that which is fine, then b550 is coming out, has pcie4 but no other changes that we are aware of, but the previous boards cant supoort new cpus with a bios update? seems very arbitrary
like I have no issue with pcie4 not working on b450, it has a technical reason, give me one why breaking your promised socket support doesn't work anymore
zenith sonnet
There has been nothing official so far about whether B450 can actually support Zen 3 CPUs or not with beta BIOS updates from manufacturers, like with A320 for example
reef patrol
Last I checked it was pretty cut and dry. No support.
Also no support for G series APUs on 500 series - which is odd.
TLDR;
This is where the final nail is put. Existing is obsoleted.
zenith sonnet
Well, since manufacturers went out of their way to enable PCIe4 on B450 boards until AMD put a tight lid on that, despite them saying no
If B450 CAN support Zen 3, we'll see someone try
reef patrol
Yeah true enough - We'll probably see some proper frankenstein boards 😄
ashen spindle
pcie4 on b450 would've caused technical issue because they were not designed for it, so it was a fair decision to keep it off to make sure it works, a technical reason im totally fine with
zenith sonnet
There are more signals than PCIe that might not be up to the specs required by Zen 3
Like memory lanes, for example. And maybe a hundred more we don't know about
ashen spindle
ok so you have no clue, are speculating about stuff, why are you arguing for a company's benefit over consumer benefits
if memory lanes would be so different it would be an issue, wouldn't they just say so?
fickle ore
Why are you arguing or upset, they never said what boards will support zen3?
zenith sonnet
Back at you: you don't know why they cut support, but you want to see some magic make it happen?
fickle ore
^
zenith sonnet
All I see is people crying over the fact that B450 isn't getting TWO generations of future CPU support
reef patrol
I mean... I get them.
fickle ore
never said they will support old mb and zen 3
reef patrol
It's entirely on AMD to not make B450 and X570 remotely similar.
ashen spindle
because I want amd to do well, I dont want to see them fail at marketing like intel does, or repeat the 5600xt issues, I want to see the better result for consumers
and yes I dont know why they cut support, and I cant see a reason for it, so i am happily asking for one, that ist arbnitrary
zenith sonnet
For consumers, it will be best if they cut B450 support, and put those resources (manhours) into AM5
ashen spindle
??
fickle ore
yep and better for zen 3 too..
support for older gens is usually a compromise anyway so current gen suffers when you have to keep legacy shit
ashen spindle
if b550 doesnt add anything beside pcie4, there should be nothing they need to adjust for b450 support, outside of that, and I cant imagine that to take ages
zenith sonnet
More SATA
fickle ore
you dont know that
ashen spindle
ok so you disable lanes, done
fickle ore
legacy code is always a performance constraint
ashen spindle
yes I dont know it because amd doesnt say anything about it
if they have a valid reason, why are they not mentioning it?
why are you giving benefit of doubt to a gigantic company?
fickle ore
I'm not?
ashen spindle
no not you
zenith sonnet
What doubt?
ashen spindle
... jfc
fickle ore
ZEN 3 is better off if it has no legacy support
but earlier ryzen customers who are on am4 are happier if it has
ashen spindle
fair argument, but the marketing clearly implied it and amd knew many people assumed it works that way
ashen spindle
I want consumers to get better stuff, I really love what amd did so far, so I want them to continue on this path, and not turn into intel's marketing bs
fickle ore
b550 is made by asmedia and b450 amd, asmedia had issues with pcie4
cuz asmedia sux ass
ashen spindle
well they added pcie4, at first b550 was not planned with pcie4 so it delayed it more
torpid monolith
Laser keyboard or something
reef patrol
I swear - Pausing tech tv series and hunting down the weird ass tech is so much fun 😄
pale sigil
it aint laser keyboard
shut vessel
I liked this series!
pale sigil
idk what it is
shut vessel
Upload
torpid monolith
Well I can't see any real depth on that "object" so that's my guess.
pale sigil
ohhh the show looks like a meme
and kinda reminds me of the film were people can become tiny but instead its going to a virtual world
reef patrol
It deals with after life where you are loaded into a virtual world as an AI. So yeah 😄
pale sigil
ohh in 4k too
reef patrol
Heck no. I'll live with 1080. The 4K version is like 45-50GB in total 😄
reef patrol
I have a ratio to uphold 😄
reef patrol
Duh.
pale sigil
Im using prime
reef patrol
I'm not in Amazon country. Still 😛
pale sigil
i thought you could use DE or BE
crimson wigeon
Amazon Prime Video is available in pretty much every country tho
pale sigil
looks like a touch keeb
reef patrol
Touch capacitive.
reef patrol
😄
split cipher
touch 32:9
pale sigil
crimson wigeon
Still having IE9 specific hacks
reef patrol
ARGH. It makes clicky sounds when you touch it. Typewriter ones.
pale sigil
xD
"Where's my Mum i need to talk to her?"
"That's disgusting"
xD
@prisma crag its amazing
young flicker
I don't understand what people are mad at AMD for. Older technology becomes unsupported, that's the name of the game.
Who buys last year's chipset and is mad that next year's processors don't support it?
Correction, the year BEFORE last year's chipset.
reef patrol
People who trusted AMD promises to support till 2020?
People whose expected a new chipset series to match and make sense? (B550/X570)
young flicker
Until 2020 or through 2020? It's an important distinction.
sick creek
IT IS ALIVE
Need to find some molex to pcie adapters
This server hotswap psu doesnt have any pcie connectors lol
young flicker
Oh Lord.
sick creek
End goal is to have this all inside 1 pc case lol
I might just buy a gpu that has no pcie power requirements
Slot power only
young flicker
As long as you don't need powerful graphics that sounds like a better solution. Molex to PCI-e scares me.
Mansen I've only been able to find sources for AM4 support through 2020, and B450 support until 2020. Either way after seeing how a lot of people are reacting, calling AMD "the villain now" and such, I can't help but see them as petulant children. Most of them probably don't even need an upgrade anyway.
sick creek
Molex to pcie is not a big deal. The server psu definitely only has a single rail
It’s not IDEAL
But it would be fine
sick creek
Alol @ the amd hate all of a sudden. Go back to sucking intel’s dick then? Where every new cpu requires a new mobo? That’s all i have to say.
pale sigil
fair gull
cwd not set correctly
pale sigil
English?
fair gull
Current Working Directory
pale sigil
i just do pm2 start katara when in discordbots
like ive always done
its a sudden issue
out of nowhere
fair gull
whats the folder structure
pale sigil
fair gull
whats the folder those are all in?
pale sigil
katara
fair gull
ya thats the problem
pale sigil
sc
pale sigil
Same issue
fair gull
what did u do
fair gull
ya its not the issue that the folder is in discordbots or smth
fair gull
the issue is you run the bot from another folder
ure in discordbots folder
but the bot should run from katara folder
thats a problem where ud use ecosystem files
pale sigil
fucking hell
fair gull
module.exports = {
apps : [
{
name: 'Katara Bot',
script: './Katara/index.js',
cwd: '/home/discordbots/Katara',
watch: true,
ignore_watch: [
"node_modules",
"package.json",
"package-lock.json",
".vscode"
]
},
]
};
ud put smth like that in a file called ecosystem.config.js
which then sits in in the discordbots folder
then just point the script and cwd variables to the right locations
and boom
pale sigil
i used to be able to just run bots by being in the folder
and it would point itself to katara
fair gull
yes u can still do that
if u navigate into the katara folder
and run pm2 there
pm2 index.js
fair gull
then ud need a name param tho
fair gull
this is how pm2 worked for the past 3 years i used it
cwd is always the directory you run the pm2 command in that spawns the rest
unless specified otherwise
which only works with ecosystem files
pale sigil
!cmds
patent glacierBOT
pale sigil
now i need to move the db
fair gull
why?
pale sigil
moving servers
fair gull
oh
ok well anyway mystery solved either run directly inside katara folder with added name parameter so u find it in pm2 list
or use ecosystem files to run it from whereever
ran my bots this way for years
pale sigil
i just find it weird
fair gull
plus you can make apps dependant on another this way so they auto boot once the other node app runs
fair gull
like i said in 3years using it always has been like this
pale sigil
i did
pale sigil
ye i just put everything in the same directories
fair gull
i always boot a rescue env on the new server and then literally just copy the entire root dir into its root dir of the mounted hdd
that ways all the old packages are exactly the same
same boot images etc
just boots up 1:1 like the old one
its one of the reasons i like linux
timid chasm
time to move
hoary dock
time to get better internet
hoary dock
smells like cable-ISP
timid chasm
It's okay. My life will be hell in 2 years
hoary dock
@pale sigil 1.19MB/s for a 100k connection is weak
timid chasm
I have 1k down and up and in 2 years I'll be getting like 200kbs service 😢
pale sigil
xD
timid chasm
nope sadly
pale sigil
It costs 10000000x more than Fibre here
timid chasm
All we'll have access to is shitty adsl or satellite. Yay living in BFE
hoary dock
I dont think the slow download is the internets fault then
pale sigil
ohh
hoary dock
All we'll have access to is shitty adsl or satellite. Yay living in BFE
@timid chasm I suppose BFE stands for Egypt
pale sigil
i thought i captured that part
timid chasm
bum fuck egypt is the phrase, just means middle of nowhere
hoary dock
Germany has a lot of copper 
timid chasm
I'm not actually in Egypt but yes I imagine it is
pale sigil
You're murican right
timid chasm
yup
hoary dock
What is the mobile coverage in your area, @timid chasm
timid chasm
Here it's good. Where we're moving it's 0
timid chasm
0 everywhere unless you drive 20 mins
I disagree after getting used to gigabit service
I imagine I'll spend a lot less time on the computer and a lot more time doing woodworking lol
Looks like it's ~6MBps down and 0.5 up
last I checked it when we were home
hoary dock
I mean our Federal Network Agency (BNetzA) decided that 56kbps are "functional" based on some documents from 2002
2 0 0 2
ashen spindle
so are you forcefully evacuated or why are you willingly moving there then? lol
timid chasm
Promises to the wife
hoary dock
0 everywhere unless you drive 20 mins
@timid chasm on every mobile carrier?
timid chasm
Yes on everything that isn't satellite or a phone line
hoary dock
timid chasm
mobile service doesn't exist there
I told her if she would move me away from hell for a few years I'd go back if she wanted to take over her dads property. He passed away last September so we're taking it over for a bit
ashen spindle
ah fair point
timid chasm
There are rumors amongst some of the family that a company is planning to expand fiber but I'll believe it when I see it honestly
Frontier did the same did a few years ago claiming to run high speed to everybody but then it ended up being adsl that was too far from the center to provide reliable service
Ah, I see
hoary dock
we had adsl some years back and now have vdsl
up to 175/40 at our location
but theoretically 250/50 are possible with VDSL
pale sigil
fucking hated it when answering the house phone killed our connection back in the olde days
"Mum, its only your friend, can you answer later?"
When i was little we had caps
i used to go past them all the time
i feel bad now xD
hoary dock
it's like $60 a month, but only like 20GB or something heinous
@prisma crag unlimited but fair use
for the provider where I looked
timid chasm
ATT requires their gigabit service to avoid a monthly cap but at least their cap is 1TB
timid chasm
It sucks but not the worst
pale sigil
My Mum is still paying off debs from a very old ISP cos of the data caps
I never knew this till like 2 years ago
She pays something stupid like $3 a month
"I aint giving them my money if i dont have to, ill be paying it off till i die"
Ill pay it all when i get a proper income
its like 300 quid
So its not much
hoary dock
o2/Telefonica thought it would be a great idea to implement this systems "3 months over 300GB usage -> 4th month speed cap to 2mbits"
timid chasm
Nah fuck paying it off for those assholes. Pay the minimum until you're dead
pale sigil
credit score tho
ashen spindle
youre not american why do you care about credit score
timid chasm
as long as you're paying the requirement you're fine. Paying it all off doesnt benefit you
ashen spindle
is that a thing in the uk that big too?
ashen spindle
uk really out here being budget usa
pale sigil
Without a good credit score you cant do much
timid chasm
lol
pale sigil
im above average and high on another one (we have 3 different credit score things)
timid chasm
Here it just limits your borrowing potential which many can get away with not needing
pale sigil
Here is limits everything
hoary dock
I think I have a Schufa entry but it is neither positive nor negative 
timid chasm
Now we're seeing stuff about a credit score boost which is just fucking weird
pale sigil
Utilities have different prices for different credit ratings, cars, loans, housing, phone contracts, contrats in general.
And loads of other shit
Mine is decent because ive been paying for my own personally connection since like 2014
timid chasm
I guess utilities do it here too but you have to be pretty low to not be able to use them. I've never heard of better deals for a better score
pale sigil
And well i spend on my credit card then just pay it back right away
Ye we have like different tarifs
for different scores
for example we are on the highest amount atm
which fucks us over
We also cant pay monthly
we have to have PAYG meter
hoary dock
And well i spend on my credit card then just pay it back right away
@pale sigil credit cards are not that common in Germany
we have the good ol' EC-Card / girocard sth
ashen spindle
yeah I can barely use my credit card anywhere, only got it for my US trip lmao
hoary dock
and my VISA is a debit-credit-card so I cannot spend more than I have on my account
pale sigil
my debt card has a 500 quid planned oc
lol
Credit Card im at 500 also
but dont spend money you dont have
hoary dock
but dont spend money you dont have
@pale sigil for that reason I set my bank account to not accept overdrafting
pale sigil
Well ODing is fine, only costs like a penny a day, i used it a lot during uni
i dont use it much now
timid chasm
I don't know if we can set our banks to not accept overdrafting
Usually you have to get a credit card or secondary account to fund it in case it overdrafts
pale sigil
our banks dont allow disabling overdraft
hoary dock
I think my overdraft-limit is set to 0€ so basically disabled
pale sigil
well my bank anyway
hoary dock
my plan is getting a 2nd bank account somewhen in the future with overdraft enabled and get my salary on that account but I wont have overdrafting allowed on an account that is connected to paypal or similar
pale sigil
I have 2 accounts.
Because they refused to close my old one
Lol
My nearest bank is a 30 min bus ride
its so aids
hoary dock
I am using an online-bank
hoary dock
they also dont have their own atms
they also dont have their own atms
@hoary dock but I see that as advantage because I can get money at every ATM I see (basically) and if the ATM wants a fee my bank pays it
pale sigil
For example deposting cash is so annoying
hoary dock
For example deposting cash is so annoying
@pale sigil I just give it to my mother or brother and ask them to send it to me
pale sigil
Not always an option for me sadly.
hoary dock
I can go to some "ReiseBank"-store and can deposit there
pale sigil
I pretty much never use cash
like ever
so its not always a huge issue
its mostly if im selling stuff physically etc
hoary dock
Germany: "Its cash usage is indeed high (67 percent of total number of consumer-to-business transactions in 2018)"
pale sigil
its the opposite here i think?
Like spending a few quid using your phone or card is frowned upon
timid chasm
I rarely see cash used anywhere
pale sigil
"Cash accounted for 28.5% of transaction volume in the UK in 2018. In contrast, cards were responsible for 48.9% of transaction volume."
timid chasm
Fuck me is the penny useless
hoary dock
a supermarket in my area said "we dont accept cards for payment under 5€"
I think they still have that rule
timid chasm
77.4%, is sex responsible for the rest of those transactions?
hoary dock
nobody complains
timid chasm
Common for small stores especially since they won't make much on that due to the CC fees
pale sigil
I mean
They lose more business
IMO
Like when i travelled a lot during uni id avoid the shop next to the trainstation just because of that and just buy food at the change.
timid chasm
^ that's my mentality
timid chasm
I would never do that for something like a Walmart but definitely for a small private store
pale sigil
i have and never will go to 5 quid to use my card
Nah, nowhere
Hate the idea
its one of the reasons i dont use takeaway apps as much now too, charging like 50p - 1 quid to use my card.
timid chasm
Then talk to the people who charge them crazy fees on small transactions
pale sigil
Can shove it.
They wanna start a company and they should account for it.
Dont like it? dont use card machines.
I know a local store owner who has known me since i was born and she knows my stance and she agrees.
At first she didn't tho
timid chasm
They should account for not being able to get better deals due to their size lol
They're not CostCo they can't exactly negotiate some crazy deal for better fees
That's why many have an ATM right beside their checkout
pale sigil
Ye gl getting into the atm
timid chasm
People are insane
pale sigil
christ
timid chasm
Man, I sure do hate those posts. I see them on craigslist all the time
timid chasm
Probably 600
wheat plume
That's less than what your buy it for in a store in Ireland
timid chasm
I think we've established the crazy prices in ireland though
pale sigil
its an intel core2 quad
fair gull
p-rice
fair gull
oh jesus
fair gull
u can get better shit than that for 200
i hoped like 150
bruh 60gb is enough for win and programs
timid chasm
If you have 1 or 2 programs I guess
wheat plume
O.o they did
fair gull
they did?
timid chasm
Not now
timid chasm
Oh Windows got small. That shit used to take up a lot of space. It'll be more once they get their bullshit download and old files in it
pale sigil
fair gull
why do u have steam entirely on c
pale sigil
i dont
fair gull
steam doesnt even have a folder on c for me
timid chasm
Well that's because you didn't install it to C then
timid chasm
I have the clients on D and games on E/F
pale sigil
My Windows is using like 50gb
prob more
i dont think ive ever installed a program on another drive
in my entire life
fair gull
my games are actually distributed onto 2 disks
games from a launcher on I (6TB) and the rest of games on K (3TB)
pale sigil
HDD?
pale sigil
Fuck that
timid chasm
I'm very creative
pale sigil
Cos i like to run games without waiting 10 years
timid chasm
30s* you mean
fair gull
tbh i dont notice much loading times
pale sigil
Eh
pale sigil
MMOs are bad for it
fair gull
at first
pale sigil
fucking WoW
fair gull
and subsequently like 10 max
pale sigil
Are you kidding me
fair gull
bdo takes not even 10secs
pale sigil
You're using WoW as an example.
timid chasm
BDO is the superior mmo 😂
ashen spindle
https://i.gyazo.com/fa1a6d3bad45d277e593970b901a0bbb.png when I upgrade in the fall I think I might sort my pc lol
fair gull
eve online maxes at 50secs on game boot
pale sigil
Fuck BDO
fair gull
and elite dangerous takes like 30ish
pale sigil
Tho that gmae you have to run it on an SSD
fair gull
not really
fair gull
bruh im not high and it loads damn well fast enough
the longest boot i have to sit through is windows
with like 2-3mins
max
depends on if theres updates or not
pale sigil
30-60 seconds is to long
fair gull
no updates its like 10-20secs
timid chasm
and just let Windows set at the login screen for a few to open the services that way when you log in it seems instant-er
fair gull
30-60 seconds is to long
as if you got smth valueable to do with ur time
@timid chasm started booting my pc when im going up to my apartment via swiping an nfc card with my phone
timid chasm
there ya go
fair gull
so when i open my room dor its ready to go
fair gull
mines only on over weekends
pale sigil
fair gull
rest of the time its completely off and fast startup is disabled cause it causes more problems than anything
pale sigil
This is WoW
timid chasm
20 whole seconds
pale sigil
huge difference
fair gull
darn diddely what would i do with 14seconds more in the day
guess a breath or 2 of air
wait
i do that anyway
timid chasm
Something you can measure sure but is it something you notice most of the time for most people? unlikely
fair gull
if it was like 5minutes vs 10seconds
i would have switched for sure
but jesus how is everyone so pissy with seconds
timid chasm
especially in an age where people check their notifications on their phone on loading screens
fair gull
as if they make millions in the saved seconds
pale sigil
20 seconds feels like years
fair gull
what a remarkable show of how people get unpatient af