use spaces instead it seems
#πβtech
pale sigil
reee
wheat plume
:')
pale sigil
Wasted so much time reee
crimson wigeon
Indenting with spaces yuck
wheat plume
TaBS NoT allOWed FoR IndENT
urban lynx
also no Rock am Ring 
grim cloud
wheat plume
anyone know a linux app that shows the same info as crystal disk info?
thick elk
Time to be an asshole: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/S.M.A.R.T.
wheat plume
O that's smart
I guess that's how cdi knew how long my ssd has spent active
Even after OS change so many times
wheat plume
O.o
reef patrol
Plebs π
wheat plume
ah my SSD is sata 3.2
thick elk
only got to 24tb in 5 years or on my current main drive 16tb in 2 years.
thick elk
should work without a reboot unless you didn't reboot after a kernel update
wheat plume
there wasnt updates for like two days now
wheat plume
shit internet
what speed?
oh wow
:O
starlink?
I LITERALLY just installed this, how is there an update?
ooo
ashen spindle
says the pcie3 pleb LUL
pale sigil
still better than sata
chrome estuary
oh my god Elon Musk is actually creating a useful product?
ashen spindle
dont get excited, we dont know the fineprint yet
chrome estuary
Yeah good point. I was just fucking astonished that musk might actually be making a real product.
pale sigil
Anyone know much about Perforce
young flicker
I've never even heard of it but I've been out of the loop for almost 10 years.
On that note, does anyone know if using the second M.2 slot on the Crosshair VIII Hero restricts the main PCI-e to 8x?
This is what I'm looking at snagging tomorrow, I'm just a little iffy about the second M.2 and couldn't find a solid answer.
Still not sure what solution I'm going to use for audio, but I'll be building a custom loop.
ashen spindle
for lane layouts check the board manual, should be all in those
latent mural
Well, probably a little more, depending on cooler/fans/etc. Though could probably save a couple dollars on the power supply. π
young flicker
I read the layout and I could see it going either way. :\ It'd be a bit silly if it did restrict it considering it's a relatively high end board and from what I read the last generation Crosshair didn't.
latent mural
I think the issue would be Ryzen 9 provides 24 lanes? So probably 4 lanes short, but maybe not as they are PCIe 4.0
young flicker
As for the PSU, I plan on overclocking and after spending all of the money for everything else I may as well make sure it's all fed and safe. Plus, my last PSU was an eVGA 1000w and it's still going strong 10 years later.
It's going to be a single graphics card build, and I want to say I read that it has a 16x + 4x mode. The other M.2 is run through the CPU from what I read.
Page 28.
It doesn't say the 16x + 4x, but it does separate PCIe/VGA and M.2 PCIe.
Oh yeah, it's not actually $4,200 for those components either.
Some of those prices are inflated.
The mobo is only $360 not almost $600 for example, and the proc is $699 at Micro Center just as examples.
latent mural
ah yea looks like no problems with the lanes
doubt x8 4.0 would bottleneck anything anyway
no harm in going big on the PSU. I have a pair of RTX's in this machine, with two-seats (screens, keyboards, etc.) and everything benchmarked I think the UPS shows around 700 watts hauled down
The top end EVGA are quite fine, some are seasonic built I think
Indeed, though so long as the ripple isn't bad and the stability good, I don't think it matters too much, just buying fancy specs or fancy looks at that point
young flicker
I'm going to look into that Seasonic just out of curiosity. What is the eVGA a rebadge of?
Ah.
The Prime TX-1000 does look like an excellent PSU but it's the same story as the Corsair AX1000, out of stock everywhere.
It seems like people really didn't care about Titanium lol.
I am.
latent mural
it's in stock on Amazon Canada
young flicker
I'm in the U.S. and Micro Center's PSU options are actually extremely limited, even for shipping. Like they literally only have four options for Titanium certified PSUs - two Seasonic Primes, 750w and 850w, one eVGA 1600w and a Corsair 1600w. If I do go with that eVGA I'm going to be buying it directly. Couldn't find a list of the rebadges though.
The 1000w Prime is out everywhere, even web stores I'm unfamiliar with.
Thanks!
latent mural
They probably ship to USA - certainly I order stuff from Amazon UK, US all the time, and occassionally one way out there, maybe India? for soap. Will say on the page: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07WDQTTWH
superflower btw is topshelf, on par with seasonic
young flicker
Good to know, I've never heard of them. Looks like it's a Superflower Leadex Titanium GT platform.
latent mural
they make a lot of high-end psu's which get badged, similar to the evga ones
young flicker
Yeah, I've been out of the loop for a long, long time.
I'd love to go to trade shows, I'd be in heaven. Contrary to what my build might imply there's no way I can afford to travel to Taipei though, haha. It's like everybody in the 'hood buying flat screens and subwoofers when their tax refund comes in lol.
Also, I can't have that Seasonic shipped to the U.S. π¦ At least the eVGA is still high tier.
latent mural
All the same, 011 has PSU in a seperate chamber. Single video card, I'd probably look at something 850w, gold, and put the saved money into something else.. heat won't matter, and higher efficiencies won't save enough power over a lifetime for the difference in price.
also you won't see any of it except the ends of the cables
latent mural
no harm in that - I have 1200w in my server, I don't think it's drawn more than 400w, but toss it out there lol
young flicker
Maybe when the 3080s come out I'll double up on 2080 Tis lol.
I do appreciate it!
It definitely seemed limited from what I saw.
latent mural
seems to be a big gap in price between basically entry level and overkill with the x-series boards
ah well wait that may not be a problem, I've been struggling with this for weeks and just sorted it tonight
AMD's USB 3.1 is atrocious, so more than 0 of those ports are basically useless
put a pair of 10-port USB hubs on the 3.0 ports and think I'm getting no USB drop-outs now but time will tell. 3.1 ports total disaster
π
young flicker
Weird. You'd think that rolling out new USB standards would be pretty, well, standardized at this point.
young flicker
Oh God, that would frustrate me to no end.
latent mural
yep. That was my problem as well
I corrected it about a year ago with outdated AMD USB 3.0/3.1 drivers
latent mural
as noted though I've been able to get it working by using a pair of hubs off the 3.0 ports, and also removing the space mouse, that seems wholely incompatible now with the latest workings of windows
young flicker
I hate Windows 10 so, so much.
latent mural
I just updated to 1909 on the gaming rig. I could easily once or twice-over the person who decided file mangler needed a new search thing with a whiffle bat
young flicker
There are so many things I feel that way about. The data collection, the two separate systems for the control panel because it's a Frankenstein's Monster of an OS, the updates, Cortana, etc. etc. etc.
I think I'm going to acquire a copy of the LTSB/LTSC.
latent mural
I took two weeks playing around in group policy (enterprise ed.) to clear up most of that, bit of firewall blocking, + classic shell & a calculator program to get it useable; all new systems I have in the house now I clone off this one.
I believe it's 3 x 4 port root hubs
has a ps2 port
latent mural
that fan looks like a finger chopper
well, that's it for me, early & long work day tomorrow. Good luck with your build there, skipper
young flicker
Thanks! Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite.
Does anyone know a whole lot about PCIe 3.0 vs PCIe 4.0 for M.2? I know 4.0 is about double the speed in benchmarks but I'm finding mixed information about real world tests vs 3.0. 4.0 definitely runs hotter and I'd rather not have a huge heatsink on the M.2 if it's not necessary, but if the performance is there it's totally worth it.
young flicker
I'm honestly surprised it's taken this long for somebody to (be able to) do something like that.
I wonder what kind of performance impact it has. It can't be much.
young flicker
I think I'm going to go with this Sabrent instead of the Corsair. https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-rocket-nvme-4-0-2tb/p/0D9-001Y-00014
I looked at the 970 Evo+ but it was more expensive for PCI-e 3.0 and I'm not planning on dumping 2TB into a drive all at once.
young flicker
If it wasn't near its' ATH I was going to put my $1,200 into AMD stock because I believe they're going to start taking over the laptop market. So maybe next gen laptops will be a different story.
reef patrol
Postal man didn't ring the doorbell when he came by with my loop parts. No PC today. π¦
reef patrol
wheat plume
Postal man didn't ring the doorbell when he came by with my loop parts. No PC today. π¦
@reef patrol yeh.... They do that -.-
When the post man came with my wooting, I heard the door of the van and immediately went downstairs to see if it was here
reef patrol
Oh no it was all on me. He did knock, but my new headphones are closed. Couldn't hear him. π¦
wheat plume
Why would you use headphones when you know a delivery is nearly here?
reef patrol
Because they don't give me a time.
It's kind of hard not to have sound for an entire day π
wheat plume
I have a habit of sitting by the window and just staring outside
When I know a delivery is near
fair gull
i have the habbit of working when its near
old marlin
rip me
fair gull
cause i just let it deliver here for 100% success rate
old marlin
wanted to transfer a server from vmware to proxmox
but the manifest apparently is formatted badly
so it doesn't work
fair gull
whatever proxmox is
old marlin
lol
old marlin
uhh
it is good for A LOT
not ideal for a single server
when you have mutliple hosts and fileservers
fair gull
i mean i need to migrate my unifi controller to it
setup a file server
have a webserver
and 2 gameservers
old marlin
might wanna try it
fair gull
id rather not fuck with all of it in 1 os
fair gull
/de
halcyon moss
unifi controller seems like the perfect thing to stuff into a container
old marlin
just buy a cloud key 
reef patrol
wheat plume
Click jacket?
old marlin
the thing that creates the audible noise in most modern clicky switches
wheat plume
The first two are optical
Their linear optical switch sounds like my previous board
But less metal and scrapy noises
It sounds hollow
wheat plume
I see
fair gull
@halcyon moss actually no
it sounds like it but it actually doesnt work too well
i got lots of errors that had no further explanation and downloading error logs also didnt work
halcyon moss
I've been thinking of getting something like an edge router, but that doesnt run the controller right?
fair gull
nope
if u want it to run the controller ud basically want the dream machine
the edgrerouters are pmuch all CLI if u wanna configure them right
the usg line is more for GUI/controller based configuration
halcyon moss
i'm thinking of turning my previous laptop into a docker machine.
also making it a home automation/voice assistant
wheat plume
mycroft?
halcyon moss
something that works completely offline
I had a look at a few, and not sure if mycroft was fully offline
fair gull
so basically its pretty shite
wheat plume
it cant be fully offline if you ask it things it needs to get from online
fair gull
im no big fan of offline voice rec cause usually its trash unless u talk rather clear
youd need some good NN for good offline voice rec that isnt relying on clear speech
halcyon moss
Guess ill find out when i try it
fair gull
but ya dreammachine pro is what ud want if its supposed to run ur controller aswell
dreammachine pro is basically usg, switch and appserver in 1
with digital front display
wheat plume
Why is it that sometimes, you have youtube playing your playlist of music and then it suddenly isnt playing from the playlist anymore???
wtf
-.-
reef patrol
Because you're using a video website for music? π
wheat plume
so does the Youtube Music app
wheat plume
yeah it pulls it from youtube videos, you ever see those <artisrt name> - topic channels? those are channels made by youtube to stream to youtube music
wheat plume
Yeah , a db of these channels
fair gull
both have completely different algos and inner workings
heck the player isnt even reused between yt and ytmusic
halcyon moss
haha
wheat plume
o
fair gull
tbf they arent super huge
halcyon moss
no poe on the dream machine, otherwise i'd be perfect :p
fair gull
they did gain some attention the past years tho
halcyon moss
their aps are great for prosumers
halcyon moss
oof, 440 euro for the dream machine pro in NL
fair gull
thats mostly due to the whole corona tho
fair gull
halcyon moss
is geizhals at still the price comparison site to use in .de? it was good when i lived there..
random plover
My Wooting KR came in, but the Mode switch was broken, any way to dig the plastic x up?
I've got other keycaps, but I wanted to use the original for some time until I get used to the layout.
halcyon moss
they're on the livesteam, so your answer is delayed i guess π
old marlin
@fair gull know of a better price comparison website that anyone can use?
reef patrol
https://wooting.helpscoutdocs.com/article/50-my-switch-stem-is-stuck-inside-my-keycap
We have #archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards for these kinds of things normally, @random plover π
fair gull
@old marlin not really tbh
ashen spindle
yeah aside from geizhals I dont really know any either
old marlin
idealo
ashen spindle
you asked for a website, not a scamsite
old marlin
yea
fair gull
tbh pricecomp in germany is kinda shit
old marlin
it is better than in most countries
pcpartpicker is MUCH worse
like geizhals is not ideal
fair gull
true
old marlin
but pretty good
ashen spindle
it covers all the big stores where I'm comfortable recomming purchases there to other people, scraping all sites for potential 10 bucks saved more is just not worth it for me
fair gull
in reality i just check the manufacturer, their rec resellers and thats pmuch it
maybe amazon
old marlin
thing is
it doesn't pick up stuff like mindstar and alternate zackzack
and stuff like the alternate outlet and mindfactory schnΓ€ppshop
or amazon warehouse
halcyon moss
for tech stuff, tweakers.net is king in NL
ashen spindle
yeah it is missing quite some stuff sadly
old marlin
NL tech market is fucked
like just ebay kleinanzeigen alone is better than the whole NL market
halcyon moss
thats quite a statement
ashen spindle
I am honestly surprised nobody has made a better website for that, with honey making a shitload of money, I would imagine a website could make more than a plugin if done well
old marlin
true
was thinking the same actually
I mean
I would try making one
but I am too lazy
and I can't earn money with it unless I do it as a business
and then there are the legal problems I have in germany
ashen spindle
could always just team up with someone who already has a business set up or is in another place so you only do the developing part etc.
old marlin
yea
ashen spindle
hrm I just remembered I know someone who could easily do all of it, wonder if he is bored enough to do it lmao
guy is lead fullstack dev for opskins
ashen spindle
exactly haha
iirc he was about to look for a new house and move, but not like that is happening currently lmao
old marlin
yea
halcyon moss
whats a decent alternative to sketchup these days?
fair gull
fusion 360
halcyon moss
that looks like a complete overkill π
wheat plume
Blender?
old marlin
blender isn't ideal for CAD
halcyon moss
just using sketchup for now
ashen spindle
man these things are really getting crammed https://twitter.com/WikiChip/status/1251234353474043905
Twitter
young flicker
Shouldn't they be hitting the lower limit soon? Moore's Law has been dead for a while so I thought they were stagnating around 7nm, but 3nm holy shit.
ashen spindle
more's law being dead is just a marketing slogan
just like 14,10,7,5,3nm etc. are all marketing names that have zero meaning
young flicker
For Intel yeah, but I knew it was at least drastically slowing down as they hit thermodynamic limits. Or something like that.
Really?
ashen spindle
40nm or so was the last time the number meant anything
young flicker
I thought 14/7/5nm etc. were actual measurements of one processing unit or whatever.
ashen spindle
only means something if you compare it within the same fab so you know which one is smaller/bigger
young flicker
Huh. I'll have to read up on that.
Basically I thought as they shrunk they die they effectively fit more transistors in roughly the same space. So 7nm isn't actually just 7nm, but is much denser over the same area and therefore more powerful than 14nm for example.
I have a very layman's understanding of this stuff though.
ashen spindle
wikichip has very good articles if you want to read up on it
latent mural
Smaller processes are more efficient and dense, so end up lower power/higher speeds, that much is indeed true. The issue is what is being measured, so the numbers themselves are basically marketting stickers. Smaller are better, but can't compare TSMC and Intel numbers directly.
ashen spindle
yeah, numbers below 40 only really mean something in relation to other processes in the same fab
young flicker
Good to know, I definitely thought there was some standard when it came to die size.
warm drum
Hello friends, highly random but, does anyone have any recommendations for a router? For a relatively small house, but I'm skeptical of the Tom's guide article I keep seeing from 2018 recommending the same router in 2020
sick creek
i'm a ubiquiti fanboi but i know not everyone wants to buy into the ecosystem
@warm drum do you need wifi built in? or are you just looking for something that is more reliable as a router
for a really basic setup, it'd probably be safer to get that microtik router and one of those mesh routers from google or whoever
mesh wifi **
but they're $$$ so idk
i wired my whole house for ethernet and put AP's in the ceiling so i'm biased
these things would probably be good with a solid wired-only router: https://store.google.com/product/nest_wifi
latent mural
I don't think meshes can be smart, that's a topology of last resort π
fair gull
personally prefer to recommend fritz!box to customers but i think thats a more german thing
havent really seen them outside of germany tbh
fair gull
fritz is a german first name
but they are rather good for what they are
s0 connector and all for big phone systems
ik
i mean would be kinda weird for a purely german company to use english words
altho box is kinda english and kinda not since we adoptet it as a german word
Der Name Fritz wurde gewΓ€hlt, βweil ein nicht-technischer Name gesucht wurde, der auch im Ausland augenzwinkernd deutsche Wertarbeit andeuten sollte. β
basically they wanted it to hint at german workmanship
old marlin
And hansbox would have sounded weird
fair gull
yep
they are even good in small companies
due to them having s0 ports for telephone systems
(some models only though not all of them)
oh and they have oversized ones
old marlin
"mesh" 
fair gull
tatoe mash
old marlin
ngl I would rather use a 7590 as a telephone system
then what we have at work
piece of junk from mitel
fair gull
we usually combine the 7590 with an agfeo system
urban lynx
as a german i connect horst with someone doing a horrible job tbh
old marlin
the mitel one is just complete garbage
899 maximum entries
only people with admin permissions can edit them
and they have a max length of 20 characters for name
which is more than limiting
cause we often need stuff like "Company Name, Location, surname, given name"
GL FITTING THAT IN 20 CHARACTERS
5-8 characters often aren't enough to give a name that is unique enough for a person
since doubled surnames aren't rare
the telephone system can also only share the contact list with their DECT handhelds
which cost 100 euros a piece
and break quick af
fair gull
the only mitel one we have is in the city hall
luckily they dont do too much shit with it
@urban lynx thats what dlink made of it
they wanted to compete but actually held true to the name of horst
by making the box be an absolute unit of a horst
urban lynx
fair gull
many germans in here
now a question for everyone in here: why does this pc im working on not show any soundcard
old marlin
lol
reef patrol
Disabled in BIOS?
ashen spindle
At least they didnβt call it hansbox, would need to catch fire to stay true to the name then
fair gull
wouldnt have seen a way to disable it in bios
reef patrol
Could be borked to the point of simply not being detected in Windows. Or your account doesn't have admin rights to refresh the list.
fair gull
but imma flash a newer version
reef patrol
A cheap USB stick soundcard works wonders on company PCs like that π
fair gull
i need a line out, mic and line in
most usb soundcards only have lineout and mic
lets reboot into the new bios
urban lynx
two lines in?
fair gull
yes 2 line in ports
urban lynx
... why?
reef patrol
π
fair gull
actually has a ton of options now that didnt exist before
urban lynx
yay?
fair gull
yes yay
and the 2 pcs i needed to transfer shit to after setting up win10 also done
so they can go out monday morning
reef patrol
Yeah BIOS'es are notorious for hiding options. I saw a completely stock BIOS on a gaming laptop a colleague had resurrected a while back. It had 14 tabs and a trillion options to fiddle with.
A - LOT - of "touching the metal" options that could fry the board instantly if tampered with. Voltages and such π
fair gull
almost able to go back home then
young flicker
I remember when that's pretty much what the BIOS was, no excessive hand holding, brick away if you want.
young flicker
Something something mainstream, something something before it was cool, something something hipster lol.
reef patrol
When you finally get the needed parts to resurrect your custom water loop, but you can't get the parts to fit
young flicker
RIP in pepperoni.
I was planning on just looking up lots of builds on YouTube and maybe a forum or two but do you know of any good resources for a first time water cooler-er? The stuff I remember is from when people had huge ghetto-ass boxes hanging from the backs of their computers filled with straight water and anti-growth chemicals. Oh and the vegetable oil build was pretty neat.
ashen spindle
the corsair hydro x series is quite nice for people new to it, you pay a small premium but for that you get everything you need to fit etc.
young flicker
So far I've committed to the G1 Distro Plate since I've got the O11 Dynamic XL, and I was planning on going EK for the CPU and GPU but that's not concrete. I'm checking out the Hydro X right now. I mostly just want to go over it in my head a bunch and learn as much as possible for the actual build.
reef patrol
Sweet jesus that was a lot of work.
Definitely wouldn't recommend Hydro X. You're overpaying for bad quality.
ashen spindle
is it? not heard that about it yet but you deal more with it obviously
reef patrol
They skimp a lot.
As for help with a loop - Honestly joining one of the Watercooling brand discords (Like EK) is a great starting point.
The biggest question is - Do you want to only watercool your CPU or also your GPU. And do you already HAVE the GPU? (This is where it gets tricky)
The water blocks for graphics cards are very specific and not all cards have a compatible block (sometimes a competing brand has one but not always).
Then there's the question of aluminium versus copper. Alu is cheaper but you must NEVER - EVER - EVER mix the two materials in your loop or reactions (bad ones) will happen. Alu also generally is limited on the GPU side to the "stock" design from nVidia and AMD, locking you out of MSI, ASUS and such on some of their cards where they move around components.
Then there's case, amount of radiators and your expectations of the loop (low noise, overclocking, RGB) and so on.
It's not a quick decision and the buy in price is high. Maintenance is a lot cheaper comparative though.
young flicker
Oh wow, I wouldn't have known about the mixing. I did find out about the very specific nature of the GPU blocks though thanks to eVGA not offering their 2080 Ti Hydro Copper at the moment, but from what you've just told me that's a good thing for what I was looking at. I'm planning on just getting a reference 2080 Ti from nVidia. This is what I'm looking at so far for the loop. Either way I've already got the G1.
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-classic-dp-side-pc-o11d-g1-d-rgb-ddc-3-2-pwm?___SID=U
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-vector-rtx-re-ti-d-rgb-nickel-plexi?___store=default
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-vector-rtx-backplate-black?___store=default
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-magnitude-d-rgb-am4-nickel-plexi
Obviously I still need rads, tubes, fans, etc.
ashen spindle
put links inside <> to not have it show previews, makes it take a bit less space
young flicker
Ah, thanks! Sorry, I'm still pretty new to Discord.
Also, wouldn't having two radiators be best for both temps and noise? I know it's more fans but wouldn't they not have to spin as fast?
If I get two it'll be in a top and bottom configuration.
reef patrol
More radiators, more cooling. Which either means lower temps, less noise (since your fans don't have to work so hard) or more overclock potential.
But again - Figure out if you want both CPU and GPU, and if you're going to cool your current GPU. Then hop on over to the EK Discord and ask for some help. There's a configurator wizard guide on EK's website that helps you get started.
You don't HAVE to buy EK parts, but they're quality. π
young flicker
I'm definitely doing both CPU and GPU, and my current GPU isn't really a consideration - it's crap lol. I kind of ended up looking at EK by default due to the distro plate that's designed for the O11 Dynamic XL. I tried their configurator and it was mostly good but didn't even offer the G1 as an option. It's good to hear from another person that they're a good company! I will definitely join their Discord and ask for help over there. Thanks a ton!
ashen spindle
@old marlin friends hyperx fps blau has issues, wasd and space are like stuck on halfway back after they get pressedm you know what it could be? broken spring?
ashen spindle
fully stuck
old marlin
wellll
gl
soldered board
so quite a bit of work
at that point you might as well swap to completely different switches
reef patrol
Homunculus.
lethal wasp
how can I remove painted legends from PBT keycaps without damaging the surface?
old marlin
Depends on how the legends are on
wheat plume
https://youtu.be/ArHYgAkifDc the tiling system76 are adding to their desktop is neat
but it doesnt make sense to have tiling on gnome
old marlin
@lethal wasp not sure, remind me in 15 minutes to ask a razer guy
Doesn't look dyesub
Didn't loard the picture before
Looks like pad printing
Alcohol should do it in that case
lethal wasp
ill try my 99.9% isopropyl
seems to have no noticeable impact
I'll have to borrow some acetone to try later
latent mural
those razer caps are doubleshot PBT, but the white markings are indeed pad printed
latent mural
yep. I don't think PBT is acetone safe for that matter either
ashen spindle
I'd aadvise to not drink as first step
fair gull
@pale sigil id recommend running gitlab
and not just a gitserver
or just using github tbh
since its all free now
pale sigil
@fair gull my friend wants store everything on his own server
fair gull
no
crimson wigeon
You selfhost that shit
fair gull
gitlab offers you to host it on your own server
its selfhosted
i mean i personally dont understand why ud want to host git urself
but they do they i guess
pale sigil
large files too
fair gull
like i get the whole "wanting to own your data" vibe but in this case where u even use versioning to have some backup incase u make dumb changes
and then u start relying on hardware that isnt replicated on a very good raid setup
well u see the problem right
young flicker
@prisma crag Thanks for the info. I only used that pcpartpicker link because it was the easiest way to share the main specs lol, I literally made it when I shared it and haven't been back. As for the cost, an eVGA Hydro Copper 2080 Ti is $1,600 and adding a block to a Founders Edition is about $1,400. In all likelihood I won't get quite as much performance but I should still be able to get a decent overclock from what I've seen.
urban lynx
having a server without raid? ... and you are a developer?
something ain't adding up
fair gull
not not without raid
but ud need smth like raid6 or even mirrored raid 6
with 2 raid6 in mirror u can basically have 4 drives fail
and still recover
pale sigil
i just backup
fair gull
but ud also need at least 8 drives
urban lynx
i mean, raid stuff basically is a backup of your whole drive, am i wrong?
fair gull
no
well yes and no to be correct
raid 0 is pure striping
no blocks are mirrored
all higher leves use some kind of parity
but most common raids allow 1 drive to fail
if more fail u lose data
my plan is to use a raid 6 config
on 8 drives
fair gull
while i thought about a completely selfhosted git id only do it on a rented kvm server cause they have shit ton better raid setups than i do
young flicker
The PCB layout is different. Obviously there are "levels" of FTW3 but it's different enough that it takes a different block.
Yeah, I checked them out.
pale sigil
gitlab is limited sotrage right
fair gull
@pale sigil not that i know of
pale sigil
for private projects?
young flicker
Okay I'm not sure what points you're trying to make. Thanks for the attempt at help though.
fair gull
i could spin it up in a linux vm
fair gull
the options are github, gitlab or just git
young flicker
I'm planning on selling and upgrading when the new cards come out so I'm not too worried about a small performance hit vs the FTW3.
fair gull
gitlab did some shit decision lately and i wouldnt super recommend it unless youre super into some weird shit of hosting it urself
young flicker
I'm aware.
fair gull
just running git well u can do it but ull be hugging the cli of ur pc 24/7
the best option will be github for now if people like it or not
especially after they opened up repos to anyone even without paying
so u can have 200 people in ur private repo and never pay
@pale sigil https://github.com/pricing
literally smth no one can really compare with
especially given how good the github website is compared to pmuch all alternatives
reef patrol
IT LIVES
solar hinge
come play warzone @reef patrol
reef patrol
Sorry. Cleaning my room. It is an absolute warzone after today's hijinx. Tomorrow. π
I'll get it downloaded tonight.
fair gull
so mansen is already playing warzone
latent mural
@prisma crag perhaps you're right. The caps seem okay, they took quite the white/milky colour. Maybe just the white printing going everywhere. More acetone + dry time, they do seem ok. π
The razor keys though are quite tight and the flaretech stems are weak, I snapped two of them. I knows folks have said this, but worth re-iterating
What are you smoothing plastics for?
latent mural
Trying to figure out a way to justify work getting one for our little remote office out here π
pale sigil
reef patrol
Things you don't want to see in the source code of a website.
$database = mysqli_connect("localhost", "servergruppen", "gS381W4Cv63cpHuh5Y37q09ow","servergruppen");
Passwords. It's passwords. Idiot ISP literally put their SQL database passwords in plaintext...and script kiddies hacked their entire website (and left the code)
hoary dock
well... Did they store everything in the "server groups" database?
reef patrol
"servergruppen" is the name of the company. It's some kind of local small volunteer created ISP. It somehow got super popular and is mandatory in a large area all of a sudden π
hoary dock
oh... I thought they just named the database servergruppen which could be German for "server groups"
wheat plume
Is there a way to make Geary email client not automatically open the first email when you click a folder? it automatically opens any spam email thats at the top of the list when I go to delete the spam folder -.-
wheat plume
first time I had to follow commands in a website to install software on Arch, usually you only need this for Ubuntu
hoary dock
pacman was Arch?
wheat plume
yeah
I have never seen this before for pacman, usually they give you the link to the AUR page or the command if it is already in the repo
or even a zip file download
usually you only get these sorts of commands for Ubuntu xd
hoary dock
But if you install manually it doesnt update when you do the pacman update command?
wheat plume
it probably will, lemme see if I can find it in pamac
hoary dock
I mean the way from sublime as shown above
wheat plume
yeah its in the repo now
wheat plume
nope
hoary dock
and install it with the zip it doesnt update, does it?
wheat plume
nope
hoary dock
because (on ubuntu) you can just do
sudo su
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
and done
wheat plume
OMFH I LOVE
wait, run this at the same time as the insulter and you got a great terminal
you can make sudo insult you if you get your password wrong
wheat plume
ahah
hoary dock
CHOO CHOO
wheat plume
Qu Qu
hoary dock
Can I install lolcat on my firewall? 
wheat plume
π€ rainbow TTY
hoary dock
it has ssh
wheat plume
fuck --yeah
hoary dock
wheat plume
countryroads :')
hoary dock
TAKE ME HOME
wheat plume
XD
wheat plume
There's no place like ~
hoary dock
There's no place like 127.0.0.1
wheat plume
:')
hoary dock
wheat plume
This raises my stress levels
wheat plume
maybe
old marlin
@hoary dock that is a PS2 not a PC
hoary dock
i stole that screenshot from Reddit
old marlin
ye ik
urban lynx
urban lynx
my friend did some electrical stuff on his own in his house. he obviously did not follow code, he is a chef ffs...
hoary dock
that is also a PS/2
old marlin
that is ps/2
hoary dock
display: none;
wheat plume
and I got until the 3rd to make a freaking project that idk how to do
the same one Tony made in like 3 hours and it totally overkill
hoary dock
i smell stackoverflow copy pasta
wheat plume
now im too depressed about not being able to do this project that I dont want to work on the project :/
wheat plume
Yeah....... that wont work out
LEL I am trying to work out how Tony did his version and I am lost
dafuq?
wheat plume
doubt it
hoary dock
he is going through all the sections
except introduction and results
and adds them together?
wheat plume
yeah thats what it needs to do but idk how tf this method works
hoary dock
and idfk what that is
wheat plume
The project spec wants the whole thing done using 2d arrays so he put those there but they arent used xd
hoary dock
he gets sth from the page
puts the children of that into 'e'
or sth like that
well there is a reason why I hate JS
wheat plume
I hate when she wants us to do something this difficult but has not gone over 100% of the things that are needed
and then give us 2 weeks to do it
its very similar to java the way we use it, except when we want to put calls into radio buttons are whatever then idk wtf goes on with that syntax
like this is basically the same syntax as java
wheat plume
I have a bunch of radio buttons in a form, and I made a submit button call a function to loop through the buttons and show me the value for the one selected but when I run the code it doesnt do anything -.-
halcyon moss
does the button have an onClick? Is it an actual button type=submit? because that wont work as it submits the form, and "reloads" the page
halcyon moss
make it a type button
wheat plume
this worked on my other function that I passed values into from the call
but ok lemme change it
no, nothing
ashen spindle
uhh that if line looks wrong
shouldn't it check if question[i].checkd is true and not the checked value for the entire thing?
wheat plume
also it is questionForm and not question -.- my brain isnt working today it seems
halcyon moss
thise code hurts :p
fair gull
and variable naming is key... if questions is an array of multiple questions please name it questions not question
proper editor would have show u small semantic mistakes those
and especially mistakes with non existent vars
halcyon moss
i've never used document.forms, it's mostly useless.
use the getElementById or something.
wheat plume
turns out im just fucking stupid and it works now -.-
reef patrol
Battlestation operational
hoary dock
a friend of mine has the same desk
or a similar looking one
and 300% more clean than my desk
reef patrol
Oh you should have seen it five minutes ago π
I kind of hate it. It's too deep. I literally have to reach over to get to anything in the back. And the curve annoys me, so I'm gonna have my dad come by with a power saw and shorten it a bit.
fair gull
weeb
hoary dock
no u
reef patrol
hoary dock
3 Monitors three different brands
chrome estuary
I've got a Samsung 4k monitor, a 1080p Samsung curved, and soon I'm gonna have the 5120x1440 super ultrawide from Samsung when they come back in stock.
So I've got a really weird collection of monitors. Nothings even. I love the mad scientist/collectionist look my computer has
What pisses me off is like none of them are for sale on Amazon right now. You can't tell me people swarmed out and bought 1200$ monitors.
reef patrol
Gotta spend that 1200$ checque on something π
urban lynx
you also got the mini nuke anthology?
hoary dock
my brother has a six monitor setup
latent mural
there are 0 webcams available anymore
wheat plume
Why is it so hard for me to figure out how to fill a select box from an array ;-;
reef patrol
I did! π
wheat plume
wat?
reef patrol
you also got the mini nuke anthology?
hoary dock
http://jsfiddle.net/yYW89/ @wheat plume
reef patrol
Also have these ones on my shelf 
hoary dock
Do you have jQuery?
wheat plume
nuu
hoary dock
wheat plume
we can only use JS
fair gull
not need for jquery
fuck jquery
anyway make sure u actually have an element with the id "selectNumber" in the document
wheat plume
I changed that line to the ID in my html
fair gull
and always check if variables have the desired content before use
i mean how bout sending us the actual thing then
fair gull
the one u send before didnt use jquery either
wheat plume
<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
<head>
<title>Accessability Survey</title>
<script type="text/javascript">
//MOVE TO SEPERATE JS FILE LATER
const continentList = [
"Asia",
"Africa",
"North America",
"South America",
"Antartica",
"Europe",
"Australia",
];
let select = document.getElementById("listboxContinent");
for(var i = 0; i < continentList.length; i++) {
var opt = continentList[i];
var el = document.createElement("option");
el.textContent = opt;
el.value = opt;
select.appendChild(el);
}
</script>
</head>
<body>
<h1>Introduction</h1>
<div id="divIntro">
<label>Name of your organisation: </label><input type="text" name="txtIntroName" maxlength="50"><br>
<label>Brief Description of the organisation: </label><input type="text" name="txtIntroDescription" maxlength="200" style="width: 50%"><br><br>
<select id="listboxContinent">
<option>Continent List</option>
</select>
</div>
</body>
</html>
I think the JS needs to run after the html?
wheat plume
in the body?
hoary dock
I think the only thing that matters is that it is after the select block
hoary dock
I think you could put it here
</body>
*here*
</html>
master programmer lana
wheat plume
why TF does it work for every other file I have but not this one?
fair gull
i mean iptables is like paper filters of varying "size"
wheat plume
I had the issue with my SQL script also, I wasnt dropping and creating tables in the right order
fair gull
stacked on top of each other
wheat plume
now im just pissed off I spent so long in this and that was the issue -.-
hoary dock
I was once searching for a hour why tf the DHCP is not working
and then realized that I did not tick "Enable DHCP"
wheat plume
omfh
crimson wigeon
Or wrap the code in window.onload = () => { ... }
wheat plume
idk if the lecturer would like that, shes never done that with us
I hate that JS has two ways to declare a variable, let and var
ashen spindle
agreed both are garbage :^)
crimson wigeon
Just use let always because var has special behaviour that might surprise you
wheat plume
the lecturer said one of them is being deprecated so we use let for everything
I assume she means var is being dropped since she tells us to use let but who tf knows
Now I need to fill a second select box based on what I select in this select box -.-
hoary dock
well thats just if-fing the input from the first one
and an on-change event or whatever it is called in JS
fair gull
var wont ever be deprecated
var let and const all have their use cases
but let is the safest to use in general if u dont know what var or const do
way earlier there was no let keyword so var was the only way to go
wheat plume
oop
hoary dock
LTT did a video rendering test amd vs intel and I think amd won by 3-5 mins
fair gull
i will prob go amd epyc aswell when i upgrade the server i want to buy from violet
mainly cause theres no reason to waste money on intel server cpus
ashen spindle
Ye if you donβt need avx512 or so there is no good argument for going intel currently on servers
fair gull
psure avx2 on epyc performs as good as an intel avx3 one
ashen spindle
Not every 512 instruction can be rewritten to work as smaller operation, and you need to rewrite it
old marlin
a lot of the server market will stick with intel
just because the applications are optimized for it
ashen spindle
sure, but only because they cut prices by up to 80% or else it would've been cheaper to change it lmao
old marlin
not sure if that is the case with switching
for new buys probably
if you wanna buy somethign new that means teh old one is too slow anyways
since newer intel stuff isn't that much faster anyways
btw logitech leaks lol
GPW successor in 2021
if this leak is true
ashen spindle
not really, depending on what project, reducing powerdraw and # of server racks needed can give you same performance at much much cheaper cost per time, which can be a good argument to change it up
old marlin
yea
well if yo uare a big software company
like cloudflare
it may be the case that you have over a decade of intel optimizations
also with intel optimizing for you
so switchign can be a problematic
which is not what you want
since you need 24/7 reliability
if cloudflare is down so is half of the internet
ashen spindle
sure, but aside from avx512 amd can do everything else, so you dont need to change much, just prioritize stuff differently etc.
I'm honestly more surprised they now start with epyc and arent using next gen rome by partnering with amd
guess this way they can transfer it to a non early access chip and still get ready for new epyc end of this year
old marlin
we got a new fire alarm system isntaleld
and those guys managed to just connect a second DHCP to our wifi
how tf do you manage to do that
if you work in a compeltely separate network
wheat plume
I just found a DNS over HTTPS flag in chrome for android but its not on chrome for desktop
Its called "Secure DNS Lookup"
crimson wigeon
wheat plume
canary?
crimson wigeon
Dev
wheat plume
ahhh
ashen spindle
wheat plume
FFS COMCAST
hoary dock
I was writing to 
(Vodafone) because we had a lot of short WAN disconnects over the last days
and I wrote down all the times when it failed and asked how to get the times to them
They answered "With the data we have we can exclude a defective 'EasyBox 804 xDSL'. And I should watch it over a longer timeframe and get back to them"
Funfact I do not own an EasyBox 804 xDSL nor any other EasyBox (because they're shit in my opinion)
And for the longer timeframe I answered with this:
WAN disconnects in April (excluding 1st of April)
2. April 21:26:33 - 21:28:00
3. April 20:47:14 - 20:49:00
6. April 02:59:53 - 03:01:40
6. April 21:54:28 - 21:55:44
6. April 22:16:10 - 22:17:57
7. April 19:36:01 - 19:39:48
8. April 21:45:39 - 21:47:27
8. April 22:08:52 - 22:10:46
9. April 15:53:06 - 15:55:33
9. April 22:54:12 - 22:55:59
12. April 20:44:37 - 20:46:09
12. April 22:26:27 - 22:27:54
12. April 22:51:45 - 22:53:31
16. April 22:18:25 - 22:19:42
18. April 20:20:21 - 20:22:08
18. April 20:27:18 - 20:28:34
18. April 23:16:31 - 23:18:18
19. April 23:01:44 - 23:03:10
I am loving that company π
old marlin
previously a unitymedia customer?
old marlin
true
well now all unitymedia cable may or may not be vodafone cable
afaik situation is still unsure
old marlin
so unsure that people that worked at unitymedia aren't allowed to say where they work atm
hoary dock
Unitymedia is a seperate one if I remember
hoary dock
sth was also with KabelDeutschland
old marlin
unitymedia got bought last year though
hoary dock
I mean if cable was more stable and Vodafone had the capacity to handle the speeds they're selling
then I would go to cable
ashen spindle
if cable or dsl is more stable is literally just a dice roll depending on where you are
old marlin
yup
old marlin
cable can be stable
hoary dock
Saturday evening
old marlin
like I was a unitymedia customer for 11 years
most of the times it was stable
when it wasn't
it usually was a hardware problem
ashen spindle
7ish years for me now, issue were router once, the day they upgraded speeds for an hour, aside from that only 2 times where it had unkown issues
old marlin
3 different shitty rounters
netgear was teh first crap one
then we had a technicolor shit one
then we had a good horizon one
hoary dock
FritzBox is fine (telling from my experience)
old marlin
then we had a bad horizon one
and then we got a fritzbox for free
luckily we had the good horizon one for the longest time
the bad one was so bad the fan had to become REALLY audible when it wasn't doing more than just being a router
not even using the TV functions
and the wifi antenna sat right on the back
great idea for a TV box which will stand with the back agaisnt a wall
hoary dock
Vodafone offers 1000/50 to me but none of the ISPs that are delivering to my house are offering more upload than 50
old marlin
what do they guarantee?
hoary dock
max to normally available to min
old marlin
oof
hoary dock
lucky work
old marlin
but they take longer for putting it underground than planned
hoary dock
ok well we have good connection at work too
Main 1Gbit and I think we are getting a backup Gbit atm
(symmetric Gbit btw)
zenith sonnet
@hoary dock I had the same issue with Vodafone for the longest time
They eventually told me the reason was a network error (Netzfehler), and a few months later it got fixed...
hoary dock
they blamed it on the weak thunderstorm we had on the weekend
zenith sonnet
I'm only getting 400/50, though
but at least that's what I'm getting, even during prime hours
hoary dock
well if that would be the case for us we may use them too
pale sigil
can someeone help me who use linux servers
wheat plume
I have Linux but no Linux servers
pale sigil
trying to set up ssh key only login
ashen spindle
I did the same, cba making it secure from just an ip or making the pw really complicated when I need to use it for sudo
hoary dock
write your key into authorized_keys
pale sigil
i did
but its being a dick
which part of the key should i write
Im using putty gen atm
RSA save as public key
then entering that into auth keys
hoary dock
in putty gen there is the copy paste field
you copy that and poste it into authorized_keys
and then in Putty
under connection -> ssh -> auth
select the private key
pale sigil
server keeps refusing it
hoary dock
systemctl restart sshd
pale sigil
i did that
thick elk
you should not need a restart for this
pale sigil
and disabled password
thick elk
Essentially your local public key needs to exist in the ssh file of the user you want to log in as on the server
for disabling password yes
thick elk
What I generally like to do for keyfiles is just ssh-copy-id on login though I have not used putty for this. After ssh-copy-id you can disable the password and restart the server
hoary dock
maybe u need to enable key auth in ssh config
thick elk
Just another thing the authorized_keys file on ~/.ssh on the server should not be world'readable, if you give it permission 777 for example it will fail.
crimson wigeon
It should be on by default
pale sigil
ive always used pre setup OS via hosting sites so its not something ive had to setup before
i know how to use keys as i do on all my servers but idk how to enable them from scratch
thick elk
first you need to generate a key on your local machine, don't know how putty does that.
Then you need to copy the public key to a new line in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server.
After that it should work
of course changing the config and restarting to disable the option to also use a password
but that is not needed for the passwordless login itself