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slender rain
slender rain
The sensors tab has the field "PerfCap Reason", which should be "idle"
thick elk
so it's a laptop varient
slender rain
wat
thick elk
that may explain throtling
ashen spindle
the alienware thing?
old marlin
yea alienware
didn't throttle before
they just borked some update
that is why I had that weird window that rports clockspeed
since that is the only way to set over/underclocks on gpu and cpu
reliably
I can set the perfcap reason to "min, max and avg"
dunno if that is a balance thing though
no wait
a dumb
just didn't use enough gpu-z
slender rain
I'm not sure what avg means for PerfCap Reason ^^
old marlin
nah it was just for showing the average perfcap reason
old marlin
well the curves for bottlenecking aren't aggressive
so I have a thermal bottleneck with 48 degrees
I knwo the card can run at 2000MHz jsut fine
and sustain 1950 forever
slender rain
Looks to me like the driver is just messed up
thick elk
48c is pretty damn cold for the card under load
ashen spindle
yeah, did you try DDU?
thick elk
usually I'd expect somewhere between 55-75 under load
thick elk
higher when running furmark
old marlin
well if it only cloks at half the rate of what it should be at
slender rain
Did you actually do a firmware update?
thick elk
so basically the power limit is way to low?
slender rain
Nah, it has no load
Even with high frequencies it still shouldn't hit the power limit
What does CPU-Z show during the benchmark?
It's not useful that it doesn't even show the estimated power consumption
old marlin
ok currently running at 1860 MHz
can't wait to see that plummet suddenly
at 74 degrees btw
thick elk
that seems pretty normal.
old marlin
yea
thick elk
Just to cover some bases I assume you have the power brick(s) plugged into your laptop as with especially desktop replacements that can matter a lot for performance
ashen spindle
a bit surprised there is so little benchmarking for HL Alyx
I know vr title arent what most people test, but i would've guessed for that title there would be more results than I can find
hardy idol
reef patrol
Meh.... The card is lazy. 😄
ashen spindle
the good jokes will come tomorrow when intel announces the comet lake laptop chips
reef patrol
😄
ashen spindle
the name fits bc it will be like a comet hit your laptops cpu and melted
thick elk
I wonder about the mounting pressure on that one
old marlin
about the force of a comet
ashen spindle
Its the first vr game where it would make sense, don’t really need benchmarks for best saber or so whee you don’t really change many settings etc.
ashen spindle
put it on a stick/holder etc. and move that, not put it on a person
could also just do less cards, I dont expect a human to test 30minutes segments with 40 gpus, but having more than 4 would be nice, especially from a site that knows how to benchmark
all I could find was some retarded sites having 5-8 gpus, testing on a rift with 350% super sampling???? like what
also, imo it's not that bad to have higher variation in vr fps tests, as frametime spikes matter much more, so not having exactly the same movements can lead to showing them more often if they do appear, which is closer to reality
plush summit
XD
old marlin
wait
alyx doesn't run in source 2?
renderer probably got big changes over the other source 2 games
although it still seems pretty limiting with "rooms"
ashen spindle
It is source 2
reef patrol
There's no way they haven't retooled that engine a ton over the years
Hell just look at Tiddyfall 2 and see how far they pushed it.
reef patrol
Oh Apex is Source too? Honestly figured they went their own way engine wise 😄
reef patrol
wheat plume
old marlin
apex and titanfall 2 use a different renderer
the normal source renderer couldn't handle them
btw when we are on engines, what engine does CoD use now?
cause they claim to have made some new one
but only mention how it changed graphically
which could all just be upgrading to dx12
old marlin
@granite nest monitors USUALLY don't have an audio input in form of a 3.5mm jack, but instead via HDMI or DP
so you can't just use a splitter for them
but even if
they aren't amazing speakers
and I'd just get a set of speakers isntead
granite nest
The monitors have 3.5mm output
granite nest
Ye the input will be coming via dp and hdmi from my pc and switch
granite nest
I guess?
granite nest
Hmm ok
I'll look into it
Thanks
So something like this? https://www.concertav.com.au/product/MX400/
I'm not very knowledgeable on audio stuff
old marlin
yea they have a stereo jack
old marlin
you can use an adapter for that
golden gulch
IMG MMX 30
granite nest
Looks good but is unfortunately not available down here
granite nest
All the mixers are rca 
I need like 3 adapters lol
So much stuff when all i wanted was for one pair of speakers/headphones to output audio from a pc and switch at the same time
I still haven't even figured out what mixer i want lol
This any good?
I do want both active at the same time though
The main problem is that i just don't know what to get 
3-4 seems to be the minimum i can find
I don't mind
old marlin
behringer is insane in what it brought for price/performance
granite nest
So like the amd of audio?
old marlin
nah
even heavier
behringer did a huge tossup for basically every market they got in
offered comparable stuff for half price and less
footpedals got hit even harder
they copied a ton of them
all the analogue ones sound the same
but cost MUCH less
granite nest
Some of these mixers have xlr mic inputs and that just confuses me even more
Isn't that supposed to be what an audio interface does
But it has a usb interface
So it's like, an audio interface and mixer in 1? 
Also what are those ports on the top
You'd think with how widely used 3.5mm is there'd be something for that
Well rca or lines
Doesn't make much of a difference to me
I still have to convert it lol
So does the usb interface mean i can use it as an audio interface in the case i ever buy a xlr mic
Probably not gonna come into play since i only voice chat once in a blue moon
The mic slapped on my headset works well enough for that
Usb just seems easier
Hm
With all this audio stuff i'm getting into i might as well go buy a dac and amp
Well i'm already good on headphones
I have sennheiser game zero
Since i heard they were some other standard sennheiser model but with a mic slapped on
Heard open back headphones sound pretty nice but i have to worry about other noisy people who live with me so no dice
If anything i'm considering getting sony's wh1000-xm4 whenever they launch that
I know the sound quality on anc cans isn't good enough for some people but i really need to block outside noise
Dry wall, hollow core doors and hallways make for noise that pretty much echos through the entire house
old marlin
they are way overkill for that
granite nest
Also one person blasts loud karaoke sometimes
I have a pair of anc earbuds and my only regret is that i didn't get them sooner 👀
You underestimate just how loudly noise echos through this house
old marlin
maybe spend your 300 on dampening material then?
granite nest
You make noise that echoes clearly throughout the entire building just by existing in the central areas
I don't really want to put a bunch of foam pads everywhere
Putting on some buds/cans that block noise works perfect as a solution for me
ashen spindle
the comet has made the impact "It does mean that in order to hit 5.3 GHz, the Core i9 is by default allowed to take 135 W across two cores, or 67.5 W per core. Even at 60W per core, you're looking at 50A of current per core... in a laptop."
https://i.gyazo.com/c3736547c01a42f515c4373674594374.png you know you've lost if you need to compare to 3 year old hardware to show any improvements
granite nest
When intel fans are using the undervolt argument team red used to wield
How the tables have turned
ashen spindle
end of 21/22 they hopefully have good stuff again
granite nest
Ye let's see what they can do when they finally catch up to 7nm
ashen spindle
they won't, they are basically skipping that node and compete vs tsmc 5nm
granite nest
Probably
ashen spindle
the next two gens will be on 10nm but not do amazingly well, alder lake on 7nm is their hope
granite nest
Takes time to optimize i guess
ashen spindle
yes it's better, but the numbers dont actually mean anything
they are just marketing, 7nm process has nothing to do wiht 7 nanometers of anything
granite nest
Like how ddr4 ram took a while to really surpass ddr3 by a siginificant margin
Ddr5 i assume is going to start out the same
ashen spindle
they are constantly shrinking stuff which allows better designs, but ever since like 40nm or even earlier the number in the process is just a name
and nah ddr5 is already taping out at higher speeds than ddr4, it's on track for server stuff next year
granite nest
Is it significantly faster?
ashen spindle
yes
granite nest
Huh
ashen spindle
and despite the numbers only being a marketing thing, we are starting to get to physical limits, which is why modern chips use stuff like 3d packing, EUV etc. to allow more progress
granite nest
Thinking of finally retiring my budget newbie rig from high school and putting together a monster with ryzen 4000 and rtx 3000s in november
Ryzen 4000 is the last gen that'll use ddr4 right
ashen spindle
easily? intel has issues with going from 14 to 10 for 5 years now
global foundries completely dropped out of the competition for 7nm so only tsmc can produce it
fickle ore
Yeah its not definitely easy
7nm to 7nm+ required going to EUV afaik from older DUV lithography with 193nm wavelength.. To EUV 13nm wavelength
ashen spindle
yeah EUV is a newer, more difficult method, that resets the difficulty curve on other parts of the process so it's needed after a certain point
fickle ore
Yeah one EUV machine costs about 120 million dollars
ashen spindle
yup and the only company making them can't keep up with demand
dutch company btw
they planned to make 30 in 2019 but only managed to make 26
old marlin
wait what
ashen spindle
Conductonaut Laptops
old marlin
watch them still overheating
ashen spindle
Of course
old marlin
I can already see the GN video with a custom waterblock on one
ashen spindle
140W from the cpu BTW, bye bye battery
old marlin
yup
I mean
asus apparently tries REALLY hard to sell it
but they already have the better option in their hands
so margins must be great on intel
ashen spindle
Well the laptop itself isn’t bad, mostly because the new super cards are only sold with intel cpus for now, so intel can thank Nvidia for that
maybe thats why the nvida naming also went to shit
RTX 2070 SUPER MAX-Q
old marlin
don't forget there is also a MAX-P model lol
ashen spindle
what laptop did you get? oh just the new one with
i9-10980HK with an RTX 2070 SUPER MAX-Q
old marlin
I got the new ASUS ROG STRIX TUF GAMING 12102100-319828390167827983IN9988888207770000
with LN2 option
ashen spindle
hell yeah
old marlin
only thermal throttles after 10 minutes of boosting to 5.5ghz
but it is really worth it
I get 20fps more than the AMD thin and light
ashen spindle
so it can make you ln2 icecream AND brew your coffe at the same time
old marlin
and can also game for a whopping 20 minutes on battery
I mena
in theory the liquid metal option is the only reasonable way to get it lol
since it also reduces powerdraw ever so slightly
ashen spindle
yeah, get that, undervolt, and if it does dry out or spills, you can easily replace it under warranty
which is usually a bit harder with LM
old marlin
and then you get a bad bin lol
ashen spindle
you cant even undervolt them anymore
old marlin
wait what?
ashen spindle
because the security updates against plundervolt is just disabling undervolting
ashen spindle
I think so, not sure about cml, need to check if someone tried it with the security updates
ah it only matters for SGX, so if you dont have that you can, but if you do have one and the fix, you cant change voltage
dunno if cml-h chips have that or not
ashen spindle
yeah but sgx might just not be a thing on the chips, not like performance laptops and super secure laptops overlap a lot
old marlin
true
granite nest
@digital cliff with the behringer 302 usb
is the area that says headset 3.5mm ports?
kinda looks like it
hm
so it'd also send mic input from my headset to pc via usb interface?
also what do main mix, 2 track and line mean
so i'd plug my pc into 2-track and switch into line?
i don't know what any of these buttons and knobs do
uh
in my use case, which is pc and switch
where would i plug what
thick elk
granite nest
hm
honestly that's not too bad but it is kinda annoying
kinda weird to omit it but it's probably some musician technical stuff i don't understand
thick elk
So what do you need to use your mixer for? just input from pc and switch outputting to headphones?
granite nest
speakers or headphones yeah
i want em to play audio from both devices at the same time
so i don't want an audio switch
granite nest
no volume control on 2-track isn't too bad since i could just use the switch's volume button
at the same time
thick elk
Essentially you only need a 2 track stero mixer and then split the output. The one you linked here lets you setboth inputs to either output on the headphone or the speakers.
if you want to output both at the same time you should use line out and then pass the output to headphones / speakers with a simple splitter
granite nest
don't really need both the speakers and cans on at the same time
thick elk
ah I thought you meant that.
granite nest
only iffy thing is not having volume control for the second input but that's not too bad
i'm audio illiterate
i don't know what's a good mixer and what's not
i'm fresh out of the world of simple 3.5mm being the end all
the only time i dealt with RCA is old CRT and plasma tvs as a kid
thick elk
so are the speakers and headphones both connected to the same device?
if so you can pretty much get away with the most simple stereo mixer
granite nest
the only simple mixers i can find are some unbranded ebay stuff
thick elk
those unbranded ones are not too bad imo
stereo mixers are pretty simple and as long as you use your own power supply it should be fine.
granite nest
hm
thick elk
scrap that
it's mono
Anyway something like this should work: https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-4-Channel-Headphone-Amplifier-Reinforcement/dp/B01N2PM9WS/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=stereo+mixer&qid=1585822551&refinements=p_72%3A1248939011%2Cp_36%3A1253545011&rnid=386685011&s=musical-instruments&sr=1-2
Only you should probably grab a different 12v power brick as I wouldn't trust the one included.
Mixers don't take a lot of power and there are pletty of standard 12 volt adapters that would fit.
granite nest
this looks like one input to multiple speakers?
thick elk
I am really derping right now
granite nest
i don't mind getting the 302usb if the only con is no volume control for second input
i just think it's kinda weird that's not a thing
thick elk
this is what I use for a somewhat similar setup: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32973525784.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4d2YAwAH
I do use all 4 inputs though
thick elk
yes
granite nest
👀 👀 👀
thick elk
Just doesn't include a power adapter so you need to source one with the standard pin size yourself
runs between 5v and 12v so chances are good you already have one laying around
granite nest
i uh, don't
thick elk
Mine came from an old external hard drive
granite nest
i'm sure i can get one off amazon
i just have puny creative pebble 2.0 v2
just to have audio when not wearing headphones
do you just not have audio without wearing cans
i hope they're light and comfy
thick elk
I don't know a lot about speakers but some edifier active speaker set should be a decent simple setup.
Active speakers for the benefit of not having to add a separate amplifier to the setup.
hard to say. What is best in audio is often a difficult question with no clear answer.
actives do have the drawback of producing a bit of background his but that should be rather minor. Adding a separate amplifier adds to the bulk of the setup mostly and if you don't go with some 30 euro one from ali it could eat into the budget a lot more.
Audio quality wise it seems really hard to get a good gauge on that.
granite nest
audio is hard compared to just buying components
because with gpus and cpus there are objective benchmarks
thick elk
I have passives myself but if I where to pick again I would probably have gone for a 150-200 euro ish active set for ease as even an 80 euro one can sound fine
granite nest
with audio one guy might like more bass the other guy wants more mids
i'm pretty happy with my dinky little pebbles
i don't have the desk space to fit big boy speakers anyway
so if i want to use this mixer with my headset and use the mic at the same time, i'll probably need an extension cord to connect the mic jack with my pc right
i don't have the option of stands because my desk moves
thick elk
I'd say just get something like the Edifier R1280T and save use that for some time to get used to it.
Utlimately you will get used to the sound and it will probably fall under good enough.
But should you, coming from I only use headphones?
you may just end up like me just enjoying the use of headphones more
You can enjoy it with these just fine, sure more expensive would be better and there are a lot of things you can do with an audio setup but cost can go up pretty fast for probably not that big a gain in listening experience. At least this would be a starting point from where you can decide you need something better or not.
granite nest
y'know this one doesn't look half bad as well
i only need two inputs
and having more than one output would save me from unplugging and replugging every time i wanted to switch from speakers to headphones
thick elk
that may be a good one indeed, I use a line audio switcher I had from before I used a mixer for that.
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
https://twitter.com/aschilling/status/1245617565910482945 45 Watt chip btw
Twitter
plain locust
all the liquid metal in the world wouldn't stop the VRM from blowing up though 
ashen spindle
Ehh vrm doesn’t matter
Little airflow is enough, they don’t perform worse under heat and resist heat much more than the cpu
thick elk
Well there is the thing that the video was only online yesterday
It's unlisted now
hmm they did announce it last year.
Still I wonder how they managed to get around the obvious drawbacks of using liquid metal in a laptop making process.
ashen spindle
They have a page about it I can link it in a second
ashen spindle
Didn’t check the video just saw the site and pictures
ashen spindle
My guess is, might as well try it now on chips that almost need it, so for future use you know more and can truly sell it as a premium feature
thick elk
It does help with laptops but it requires some changes to the design as well. Making sure the liquid metal cannot damage other components, having a nickel plated heatsink. Costs of the metal itself have not been the only reason it has not been widely adapted.
ashen spindle
Oh yeah the costs for the lm have never been the reason it wasn’t used in laptops
thick elk
it would increase the skin temperature of the laptops as the delta between the cpu and heatsink decreases at the same cpu temperature I would expect the body of the laptop to be warmer. Unless you end up running the fan at a similar speed
though cooling is more efficient at higher temperatures so that may dampen things a bit
ashen spindle
Unless you really slow down the fans it shouldn’t really increase skin temperature I think, but that is more than I usually care about in laptops so dunno
ashen spindle
idk, maybe he still needs to pay off his last pc
old marlin
maybe he is saving for the 400Z lol
ashen spindle
the only car I care about is a tofu delivering toyota
since I just take the train for everything in the city :p
I have no idea, I'm pretty sure someone here must be invested enough into the anime to have one lmao
yeah I was horrified whenever I was in atlanta, so much traffic and sol little public transport
it's such a waste
old marlin
the bios is stored in the balls obv
reef patrol
wheat plume
Exactly, it deals with input and output
reef patrol
You're not wrong.
timid chasm
I like he builds a wall, it fails, and he just...builds it again
$8000 worth of speakers, jesus
wheat plume
ashen spindle
putting huawei and patent protection in the same sentence
wheat plume
XD
wheat plume
he said his computer was "alright"
WTF BOI THIS IS A FREAKING BEAST
ashen spindle
ehh, first gen TR isn't amazing
ashen spindle
only if the cpu was bought on launch
first and seconds gen tr got gigantic price cuts when the next gen was released
wheat plume
the CPU is more than my PC
latent mural
I have been using a 1950x since launch, but as a server chip. Given the limited cooling options, Ryzen 1800 would have been both better and cheaper for almost any "gaming" use ... at the time.
pale sigil
@ashen spindle first TR was fantastic
Second was much better
imo
@wheat plume had a similar situation many years ago when i had a mc buddy, he said he used his dads pc and only played mc
showed me the specs and bam
wheat plume
oo
zenith sonnet
Is that DocM77?
zenith sonnet
Oh
Well, surprisingly many people use a 1950X then
zenith sonnet
Could be
wheat plume
if he presses f3 in this video I will check
zenith sonnet
Which one you watching?
wheat plume
his new hermitcraft episode
zenith sonnet
Episode 10?
wheat plume
11
pale sigil
Booooo
wheat plume
oooooB
zenith sonnet
I just build his Villager breeder from his Episode 10 in my world
Finished it earlier
pale sigil
For the first time ever on a modded pack I made natural spawners
zenith sonnet
On this map there oughta be a double Skeleton Spawner close to spawn
wheat plume
he got it working last episode, what he is doing there now is afk protection
zenith sonnet
But they didn't create due to ocean 😦
I finally learned a few bits about Redstone :p
Anyone good with image editing?
zenith sonnet
I'd like something with a different background colour, cropped, properly downsampled, and converted to .png
But I only got paint installed 😦
Maybe I should just install something
wheat plume
gimp
zenith sonnet
What about Krita?
Heard it's better nowadays?
zenith sonnet
What background colour makes purple stand out well?
wheat plume
black
zenith sonnet
I guess I need a lighter colour
The purple is pretty dark overall
Discord grey works reasonably well
wheat plume
quaint pilot
I can't boot from CD/DVD prior to POST. I can get into BIOS with my Wooting Two but when I select boot from optical drive I'm asked to press a key to boot from the CD/DVD drive but my Wooting Two doesn't accept input (and the lights are out). How do I boot from CD/DVD when the keyboard doesn't work? Similarly when I've had to soft reset my PC and I have to press a key to get past the warning message about Windows didn't sutdown correctly I have to wait for the timer to finish because pressing a key doesn't work either.
safe patrol
Hrm
ashen spindle
try asking in #archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards @quaint pilot , people who are active there are more familiar with issues, I've heard about a fix for that but dont remember it, so ask there and someone will help you out
modest scroll
Guys can i use wootility without a wooting keyboard
my keyboard is an alienware and i heard about wootility
can i use wootility with my current keyboard
pale sigil
reef patrol
ashen spindle
to be fair, (I usually do hate these refreshes)
their excuse of "the industry is moving away from gddr5" could be valid, lower production might mean higher prices or so
old marlin
yea
could reduce the buy prices of gddr6 for manufacturers
reduced clock speeds in comparison to 1650
so it could actually perform worse lol
1486/1665 was reduced to 1410/1590
you can probably get it out with an OC again
dunno if OC versions will be free from that
ashen spindle
prob 5% more in some, 5% less in others depending on what the bottleneck was
old marlin
yea
usually GPU though
wait what
mobile one has more ALUs
than the desktop one
wtf
same chip
but desktop is reduced from 1024 to 896
ashen spindle
huh
reef patrol
The refresh happens because they're running out of DDR5.
Makes sense to reserve it for high end cards, and start ramping up 6 for next gen.
reef patrol
Partially - There was a shortage before it as well.
ashen spindle
well that is their official statement, so at least some truth is there for sure
old marlin
I doubt the market switches completely to GDDR6 now
but the market didn't fully recover before
they raised the mac temp of the GPU on the GDDR6 version
so it could clock a bit higher under laod
ashen spindle
well they themself probably dont have much gddr5 in stock, and if more 6 is produced it might be cheaper to make that, regardless of current situations
ah, does 6 need more power than 5?
ashen spindle
if so that could be the reason they lowered clocks, since it's not using 6 or 8 pins for power delivery
old marlin
but it shouldn't matter a whole lot for the GPU
their reference is also longer
like quite a bit longer
ashen spindle
dont want to pull an amd and draw more power than stock pcie standard allows
ashen spindle
ye bc 75w is the max for pcie slot pwer draw
old marlin
so it can stay without external power
ashen spindle
sure but that is almost the same, the x mostly changes ratings for the controller and pcb iirc
old marlin
is GDDR5X even an official spec?
reef patrol
Ugh... I hate automated systems. Waiting for a gift card mail, so I can order some new headphones
ashen spindle
holy shit this support is slow, thursday I sent out the mail and video showing the mousewheel click issue, now I get a reply asking if it happens all the time and on other computers ...
last sentence in my response was "but other mice work fine and the same happens at other pc's with this mouse."
@old marlin
old marlin
at whom?
ashen spindle
maxgaming, since they were the shop that sold it in the eu
ashen spindle
"same day reply if sent befre 1530" btw
old marlin
maxgaming support is crap
wheat plume
Wootility no find the keyboard
fallow bison
is it in a usb 3.0 port?
wheat plume
yeah
fallow bison
try 2
wheat plume
mmkay
fallow bison
3 may have driver issues as it is handled by an external controller on your mobo
ashen spindle
#archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards cmon Lana, you know this aint the channel for it ;D
fallow bison
are you on windows or linux rn
wheat plume
Linux
fallow bison
got a windows machine on hand by any chance?
wheat plume
Laptops at home
wheat plume
Yes
fallow bison
Give it a spin
fallow bison
oooo i thought you meant 'we have laptops at home'
wheat plume
Is it safe to stop the wootility while it's updating it? The update isn't progressing
fallow bison
Thats indeed the case, once in restore mode the LEDS turn off
wheat plume
O
fallow bison
Try restoring on a different port
wheat plume
Close the app and switch port?
fallow bison
yep
wheat plume
now the keyboard is on
fallow bison
Does it restore?
fallow bison
is it blocked by a firewall?
wheat plume
dont have one
fallow bison
Im not familiar with linux at all, but one thing you could try is reinstalling the wootility
fallow bison
always good practice
wheat plume
owo?
fallow bison
Theres also an instruction for linux installation on the wootility download page iirc
Yeah that one
crimson wigeon
Yeah do that unless you want to have to run wootility as root (sudo) every time
fallow bison
but first install from the website itself, to make sure versions arent out of sync
fallow bison
Sure
wheat plume
Turned the keyboard off again
fallow bison
are you running the Wootility with root permissions?
wheat plume
ill try now
fallow bison
crimson wigeon
Also recommend running it in a terminal anyway so you can see all error messages and such
wheat plume
how do I run appimage from command line?
crimson wigeon
Same way you run any other binary
fallow bison
yeet
wheat plume
yay it detects it now
fallow bison
It should now also detect the board
wheat plume
yas!
fallow bison
Now make sure to add the lines from the install instructions if you dont want to start the program as root every time
wheat plume
i probably wont run it often, but I may as well do this
fallow bison
😉
wheat plume
I can imagine why
fallow bison
it feels wonderful though
fallow bison
I got clickies in my numpad and media keys
fallow bison
And A1,2,3 and MODE too
wheat plume
This postcard is interesting xd
fallow bison
wheat plume
:')
fallow bison
okay thanks for deleting my entire message when sending a gif, discord
wheat plume
O.o
fallow bison
Anyways, enjoy your wooting : D
wheat plume
hehe thanks :DD
the lights are bit bright, imma turn them down a bit
about time ahaha
xd
oo AOE is nice
fallow bison
It is yeah
wheat plume
trial would be neat too with idle brightness
this keyboard is a lot higher than my last
the body is chonkier xd but its so pretty
pale sigil
Try PINK! Rainbow @wheat plume
wheat plume
oh right
pale sigil
Then preset pink
wheat plume
neat!
reef patrol
Wheeee. Gift card went through. Time to pick up headphones. Only two bus rides and a trip downtown to go. Fun Corona times.
reef patrol
HS70 Pro.
Aka. Whatever I could get my hands on after cat ate cable. We're going Wireless!
spiral belfry
That moment where edge beats Firefox XD https://www.techradar.com/uk/amp/news/microsoft-edge-burns-past-firefox-now-worlds-second-most-popular-browser
reef patrol
New headphones are quite decent. Uses B Micro though, and it can't share a dongle with my mouse, which sucks ass.
zenith sonnet
@digital cliff I saw Microsoft state that one of their goals was to reduce fragmentation of engines, basically have one for everything
zenith sonnet
It's funny how laptop manufacturers are now putting 3900/3950X desktop CPUs in their laptops now
Probably draws similar or less power than a intel mobile CPU with Turbo 3.0 or TVB 😆
ashen spindle
there are already desktop 9900k laptops that you can overclock, so that's really nothing surprising
latent mural
I had an alienware with a netburst P4 3.06ghz back in 2003. Wasn't a good idea then...
ashen spindle
holy shit im getting angry, what kind of response email is this from a support ticket "Seems so strange this defect actually since it did occur after almost 2 years and is more like a software defect than a physical one and if it was a manufacturing error it should have been detected sooner." @old marlin
like wtf do you want me to say and that doesnt even make sense
old marlin
that doesn't make any sense lol
switches break
plastic gets tired
if it breaks within warranty period because of either thing it is a manufacturing defect
ashen spindle
im just so confused, like wtf does he want me to reply
old marlin
it isn't a question though
the support just stated that a manufacturing defect is unlikely after 2 years
which is completely false
fickle ore
It is, he is wondering what caused the defect, meaning he is unsure, and he reached out to you, in the hopes if support could confirm it and whether he has a case for warranty
so a reply of what causes it and whether he is qualified for warranty
ashen spindle
but I already wrote in three previous emails that it just happend one day lmao
old marlin
well not really up to the client to figure that out
could be the switch being broken or the plastic of the wheel being broken bent etc
fickle ore
Tell him, if it's outside warranty, that all physical parts in this world break eventually due to wear or some shit
ashen spindle
im the one who wants a replacement, im not the support guy
ashen spindle
and its in warranty
old marlin
and if a product that dies from wear within the given warranty is a manufacturing defect
for reference, maxgaming support on a finalmouse
with it being a known error
fickle ore
Yes you have a case for warranty, its within period and the support is just trying to fool you
tell him fuck off, its a hardware defect, let me contact your superior or I'll contact my lawyer
fickle ore
we,, tbh Ive had to threaten with lawear couple times, or consumer protection to get my moneyback
old marlin
I mean
I would say that I will take legal action if the support decides that my warranty claim is nor applicable when it is
but staying calm can usually resolve the situation easier
gotta think about your own mental health
I know why they don't wanan do anything about it
because it means they need to deal with finalmouse
while they are busy surfing or something idk
ashen spindle
lol fair point
fickle ore
Shittiest part is when you're stuck in a platform with more to lose than gain, e.g Steam.. Can't just threaten with legal action
old marlin
especially if you don't really own anything
ashen spindle
I'm just amazed at the reply, not suggestion what I could do, no question if something is this or that, just a "wonder how this can happen"
like I dont care, I'm writing a mail to support not to my brain to figure out whats happening
at least this one came after a day and not 7 days later
fickle ore
How can I figure my X,Y coords with a smartphone in a field?
Im not logged into a google account so idk if I can
ashen spindle
see if you can google "whats my longitude/latitude?
fickle ore
Ya
fickle ore
GPS coords
old marlin
I think you can grab them out somehow
but dunno how
maybe try an openstreetmaps app or something
ashen spindle
jesus fucking christ
"But can you open it to try to fix it cause the best solution would be to send a new scroll wheel.
so you have my permission to open it."
a) I dont fucking want to do that,
b) it's most likely not the wheel if the clicking is messed up
fickle ore
loll
ashen spindle
like yeah let me open a mouse while using it for home office with no spare mouse around, that sounds like a good idea
urgh so either I try to fix it or I need to send it back and they look at it before fixing/refunding stuff
is that ok under warranty law?
@reef patrol you probably know about it
ashen spindle
yeah i dont really trust this support person's "you have my permission to open it"
fickle ore
Yea its their out of jail card
old marlin
if it doesn't click but you can fell/hear the switch it is the switch
ashen spindle
it sounds and feels normal, if I press it gently it sometimes works sometimes not, if I press it longer/with more force it either works or clicks twice
ashen spindle
question just is, is it ok/correct for them to want it in before refunding/replacing it? if so I guess I'll have to wait for this situation with covid to change so it wont take months for shipping
old marlin
it is
old marlin
anybody has a good idea on how to store HDDs long term?
since law requires us to store data for 10 years
and backing everything up is too expensive
just throwing them all in a box seems like a bad idea
ashen spindle
big capacity ones and put each in bubblewrap, then in boxes?
old marlin
not even big capacity ones
actually mostly like 300gb drives
but a load of them
most are 10+ years old
we just get them now
bubblewrap could work though
ashen spindle
ah, so I guess copying them all onto bigger ones wouldnt work well?
old marlin
I wonder if there are like small bubblewrap bags a 3.5" drives
more expensive
like we do images either way
but we might still need the drive later
since some people that do the images aren't too reliable
although we also need to label them
mehh
fickle ore
Why
old marlin
a minigrip bag won't do shit against bumps
fickle ore
Oh.. yeah.. well.. the airtight storage is more to prevent corrosion/oxidation
safe physical storage is another thing
fickle ore
Yes but if you have no hydrogen or oxygen, there is no corrosion
which is why you suck the air out
old marlin
yea
fickle ore
foking bacteria and anaerobic corrosion
old marlin
lol
wheat plume
can IntelliJ automatically make a github repo when you commit?
reef patrol
The first one leaked. This was a beta product. Haven't paid for either.
old marlin
well
at least your whole cooling solution doesn't need to be replaced
also beta pump?
si there anything out there besides 2 deisgns now?
reef patrol
It's "only" 120€ but I just bought a new pair of headphones, and I'm unemployed atm.
old marlin
and some alphacool ones
reef patrol
It's just a new generation of pump from EK. Everyone tries to improve them
reef patrol
Asetek are up to...6gen now I believe.
old marlin
well
reef patrol
Used on the new NZXT ones with LCD I believe?
old marlin
asetek is different
and gen 4, 5 and 6 are VERY similar
slight impeller changes
and rgb controls
zenith sonnet
What is it, a DDC 3.3?
wheat plume
reef patrol
They're still improvements, Yama 😄
I never said they were huge strides.
3.2 I belive? This one is the replacement at least.
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-ddc-3-2-pwm-laing-ddc-3-2-pwm
zenith sonnet
Is the 3.2 still considered beta? It's sold in official store products
Although there's a 3.25, which is just a firmware change, iirc
So who knows 🤷
reef patrol
I never said what the NDA covered pump was 😄
zenith sonnet
Never mentioned you can't talk about it :p
reef patrol
Hehhe
zenith sonnet
Just 2x BI Nemesis 360 GTS
reef patrol
Using a THICC 360 and a skewed 240. Not the best but it looks nice.
Might have to replace the 360 with something more efficient. Or add another 360 in the bottom.
zenith sonnet
THICC is good. But only when you run it loud
zenith sonnet
12x the fan I want will be like 400€
reef patrol
I just forked over 450€ for nine Corsair fans, pump and coolant. Today is not a fun day. But at least I got a tax return of about double that.
zenith sonnet
Any news on the NF-A12x25 Chromax yet?
reef patrol
And I need to spend it or the government takes it anyway 
zenith sonnet
Meanwhile I need to keep working full time :(
No stay at home for me
I guess that's a good thing, though
On one hand, I get all the usual working hours and money
On the other hand, no state-sponsored free time
There's no winning
reef patrol
zenith sonnet
There's a difference between living off the state because you wanna be a leech instead of pulling your weight and living off the state because it tells you to stay at home and throws some curtesy money your way
The latter wouldn't personally bother me
I built two computers for that money
There's probably something in there you don't need or benefit from
Oh
Well, I don't usually include peripherals
I spent about 2.500 of those
270€ for 32 GiB of B-die that runs 3666 14-13-13
Pretty happy with that deal
ashen spindle
well ram prices are going up now, and since q3 is zen3 teritory, we dont know what memory speeds are ideal there yet either
zenith sonnet
I know I'd be limited by 16 GiB, but 64 I really have no use for
Future proof
Although Minecraft is eating 10 of that right now
ashen spindle
depends if you want to upgrade soon-ish afterwards, bc then you might be wasting that since ddr4 not ddr5
zenith sonnet
Eh, only mistake I made was going with the Aorus Master instead of the Aorus Xtreme
I planned to replace my 3700X with a '4950X' from the start
ashen spindle
x670 is zen3 this year, so no
zenith sonnet
But it'll probably be 2022 until DDR5 catches up to price/perf of DDR4
Been the same story every time
Early adopters get burned
ashen spindle
doesnt matter since you dont have a choice lmao
there wont be a cpu that supports both
zenith sonnet
And I fully expect 50-100% faster kits 1-2 years after the first boards and kits are on the market
So, I went with AM4 on purpose
ashen spindle
if it's a situation like zen2 memory/if-clock, it doesnt matter that you dont get higher speeds on release
zenith sonnet
Until this rig is dated, AM5 boards, memory, etc, will be mature
Production ramped up
Etc
Maybe around the time Zen 5 releases?
Or maybe intel will have woken up again by then
Or ARM will eclipse
ashen spindle
we already know zen 4 uses ddr5, it will be mature by then already
zenith sonnet
Zen 4 is first gen DDR5, it won't be mature
ashen spindle
ddr5 was already working in november 2018
they are already working on ddr5-6400mhz production
zenith sonnet
When was DDR4 working?
ashen spindle
idk
but 5 is already shipped to chip makers, and slated for mass production by both sk hynix and samsung, think micron too recently
zenith sonnet
It seems to be about a year earlier than DDR4 was when CPUs supported it
So, that's a good thing
Seems like AMD/intel chose to let it mature a bit more before hopping on it
ashen spindle
... amd is literally making the first possible chip the can with ddr5
it wasn't availible in time for zen3 and it will be on zen 4
zenith sonnet
Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand
I'd be highly surprised if there were significantly better kits for Ryzen 4000 at a comparable price than what I already got
If X670 will be interesting? I think it's mostly more maturity for the IO and lower power draw of the chipset
reef patrol
👀
zenith sonnet
$379.99 X570 ROG Crosshair VIII Hero
I'd say go with the Aorus Master/Xtreme, but either is fine, really. Aorus is a bit better with memory, Crosshair with CPU OC
$399.99 AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
Q3 is right in time for Ryzen 4000
Kingston SKC2000M8
Adata XPG 8200 series
Very similar to my build overall
Oh, and look into Trident Z Neo memory, the F4-3600C16D-16GTZN is a better kit for the same money
And you need A LOT more fittings
reef patrol
Two fittings per component minimum. And don't forget some Rotary for bends.
The O11 is plenty big. Even non XL 
zenith sonnet
You'll need 11 STC fitting incl. drain, plus whatever angled fittings you need
reef patrol
So many USB ports 
reef patrol
Not hard to do. One Corsair mouse and one Corsair Headset eats up four ports.
2 for dongles, to for charging cables 😄
reef patrol
...extenders?
old marlin
logitech includes this thing
where you can plug your receiver in on one end
and when the mouse needs to charge you remove it from the cable and plug it into your mouse
that seems like a cheap process 
reef patrol
That Logitech thing makes no sense. What? I need a practical example 😄
old marlin
saves a usb port
reef patrol
I'm not going to reach around back of my PC to do that once a day.
old marlin
and putting the receiver close to the mouse makes the connection more reliable
reef patrol
I definitely wouldn't mind an official hub of sorts though.
Central charger and dongle hub...or hell how about just making a single dongle 😄
old marlin
dunno if any of the "gaming" brands have a usb hub
wdym with "single dongle"?
you mean for all devices?
reef patrol
I have one for my mouse, and one for my headphones...from the same manufacturer.
old marlin
oh yea
dunno hwy nobody does that
might be bandwitdh limitations on the USB interface
to make it USB 2 compatible
reef patrol
Enter USB3 or a hub 😄
old marlin
yae
unfortunatley forcing usb 3 isn't an option yet
for companies like logitech especially
reef patrol
For GAMERS? It definitely is.
old marlin
weeeeell
they would have a ton of people thinking it broke because it didn't work on USB 2
reef patrol
Then you make it obvious on the package 😄
reef patrol
It's not like USB3 hasn't been color coded for ages.
reef patrol
Again though - Very hard to track down USB2 PCs at this point.
reef patrol
We're talking 10 year old stuff.
reef patrol
I haven't seen a USB2 port in the wild for years.
old marlin
which aren't 100% usb 3
reef patrol
Aside from OFFICE PCs which are moot when it comes to gaming specific products.
reef patrol
Let me repeat myself - I have - Not seen - A USB 2 port. At all 😄
reef patrol
I have low end 3000 series Intel boards on my shelf that don't even have USB2 on the back. Only as headers.
reef patrol
spiral belfry
@sick creek I have looked into it, but that was after I made the project XD
sick creek
ah
well, it probably wouldnt be too difficult to re-create
there's also something called livewire which allows you to write PHP code that then gets translated into JS to add dynamic functionality
spiral belfry
True, but I will do that at a later date (when I finish with uni)
sick creek
it's a laravel package
spiral belfry
It is tempted
sick creek
anyway the reason i brought it up is cause i noticed the login thing is "being worked on"
haha
and that's basically something that comes built-in with laravel
you run php artisan make:auth and it pre-populates the basics of an auth system
basically just have to skin it
spiral belfry
oh it works
just because GDPR and wooting, we just dont want to deal with that stuff yet
sick creek
do you really have to obey GDPR if you're just taking email/password?
sick creek
that's so lulzy
spiral belfry
and the profiles you then post
sick creek
what a waste of fucking time
sick creek
no thanks, discourse already exists
spiral belfry
I honestly hate GDPR from a developer area
reef patrol
do you really have to obey GDPR if you're just taking email/password?
Yes - An Email is personal information.
sick creek
an email is actually not personal information by itself
sick creek
it's not. it's like a physical address. means nothing without the name attached
spiral belfry
the old people in the EU decided this shit
pale sigil
And I'm happy the old people did it
spiral belfry
This is why i personally hate EU XD
pale sigil
We should know who has what data on us
ashen spindle
yeah I really wonder to what person firstname.secondname@mail.com belongs to 😛
sick creek
yes you should know who has data on you, but if you SIGNED UP for a service voluntarily... what are you complaining about
sick creek
dont anyone tell @ashen spindle about phone books
pale sigil
Specificially
spiral belfry
Shamefully, that isnt how it works
People got annoyed that companies sold data XD
even though, they signed up to it and it was in their terms
sick creek
@pale sigil yeah its not so you can find out exactly what they have on you
pale sigil
You can request your data, if they are hiding shit they get fined
sick creek
for my application (and many others), that would mean exposing trade secrets
sick creek
well i dont live there
spiral belfry
if your application works in the EU, you have to comply
sick creek
nor will my app be used there
sick creek
the way you associate data in a complex application can be constituted as a trade secret
which is how it works for me
spiral belfry
again
if your application works in the EU, you have to comply
@spiral belfry
😂 got to love GEO locking
pale sigil
Then develop around it
sick creek
well its not something anyone can just sign up for anyway
pale sigil
As always a wrench is always thrown
spiral belfry
but here is the kicker for you @sick creek if VPNs exist, you also still have to comply
pale sigil
People will learn to adapt
spiral belfry
if someone in EU uses a VPN to use the application, that application works in the EU, so you still have to comply
sick creek
as it handles health data, my org will literally be in control of who signs up