and the model
#🔌│tech
cedar glen
crimson wigeon
But if you're lucky you get many years of community support
bronze rose
the easiest is to get a device with the Android One certification https://www.android.com/one/
or other device with a high community support like OnePlus
plush summit
I tried to get a device with Android one
There were no supported devices in my region
Literally every device that's put it in dried one on the list was not in my region and did not support my carrier
Or any carriers
zenith sonnet
My OP3 is still getting updates
wheat plume
true
Apple is better on only one area
Design and animations
so smooth and it looks great
ashen spindle
Hmm maybe we do get some not crappy gaming chairs on the market soon? 
https://twitter.com/hermanmiller/status/1232683006751649792?s=21
wheat plume
Nitrux theme is so pretty :DD
dapper ridge
eh
halcyon moss
meh
wheat plume
these are my fotn settings, idk if they are the best but they look pretty good to me
old marlin
fml this video is baaaaad
most just look for what they have
instead of actually trying to find the nicest switch for them
reef patrol
Blind tests...because figuring out what switch is for you is best figured out quickly and not over a week or more time actually using the damn thing.
Also the frame matters. A lot 
old marlin
well they all used the same case etc
although the massdrop ctrl isn't good
they immediatley disregarded a high tactile bump as "rubberdome"
same for soft keyfeel
zenith mirage
why are we still here, just to suffer?
This is every damn thing i download on steam, since i moved in 
ashen spindle
Tried a vpn?
zenith mirage
I haven't
But the other guys who live here don't have any issues so I doubt it's our ISP doing it
Tried clearing download cache, tried changing download regions, hasn't fixed it. Its very annoying
bronze rose
is that for windows?
reef patrol
Try changing download region. Sometimes forces it to refresh to a less busy node.
halcyon moss
in my experience steam can almost saturate that :p
reef patrol
Oh so you did. Sorry 😄
bronze rose
in spain in urban areas we are able now to get 1 Gbps symmetrical fiber connections... its a pleasure hosting stuff at home :3
zenith mirage
no limits on steam
haven't done anything in the firewall so i can't imagine it's buggered by default but i'll have a look
chrome estuary
Soundcloud why the fuck are you giving me a Spanish Honda RV ad?
pale sigil
blasphemy
wheat plume
wheat plume
timid chasm
Any personal recommendations for cheap but good mobo for 3700x? I may just go for the ASRock b450 pro4 since it's cheap
bronze rose
@wheat plume java or kotlin? Or maybe fluteer with dart :p
ashen spindle
Any of the msi b450 boards @timid chasm of they have „MAX“ in the name they are the version with the correct bios even
wheat plume
@bronze rose IDK, I just wanted to use the emulator
bronze rose
@wheat plume if just because of the emulator, give it a try to https://www.genymotion.com/fun-zone/
to avoid using that much space because of the IDE and SDK and many more
wheat plume
Oohhhh
bronze rose
also @wheat plume check https://www.bluestacks.com/
cause the target of Genymotion are developers, but BlueStacks are enduser that want to use android apps on desktop
wheat plume
I heard of this
But can it do Android R previews?
bronze rose
hmm dont know which version is shipped
wheat plume
Ahhok
zenith sonnet
There's also Nox I think
wheat plume
cedar glen
@fair gull bluestacks is actually good now tbh
fair gull
since when does bluestacks look like a nox reskin
wheat plume
Seems legit.....
vast moss
If I want an Android phone to use as a not-phone but something to put apps and music on, would it be better that I get the Moto G7 or Teracube? Or should I just get BlueStacks or Mumu since I have a laptop?
wheat plume
Hmm
I'd go with the phone
You'd have none of that compatibly stuff to deal with then
Wtf is the teracube?
fair gull
id i just use mumu for all the stuff i want to do without actually using my phone
foggy solstice
Get a tablet.
pale sigil
IPad
vast moss
Teracube is a somewhat new mid-budget phone with specs that I think?? are comparable to the Moto G7's but is meant to get three or four years of support. I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab A 6 7" that is crap in pretty much every way imaginable for an Android device, and I think I need something better.
On one hand, Teracube was built with sustainability in mind, which is cool, and it has flat-rate repair ($39 for everything) and somewhat long support (3 years of updates), but on the other, the Moto G7 is more well-known and has a version of LineageOS available for it in case I get sick of Google and want to get an un-Googled Android.
wheat plume
Teracube is online-only. What's Android One?
@vast moss Android One is pure android for phones other than Google phones
vast moss
Any recommendations within the budget area of the G7 and Teracube (~$250)?
wheat plume
Check out Xiaomi phones
they are really cheap and very nice for the money and if you do not like MIUI you can install Iineage or any other custom rom without breaking the warranty
Xiaomi allow the bootloader to be unlocked using their software and they still support the phone if you need help
vast moss
I'm looking at the Lineage downloads and the Xiaomi website, and at first glance, it seems like there is no phone listed in both the Xiaomi and Lineage web sites, as though Xiaomi stopped supporting those phones listed on Lineage
wheat plume
Xiaomi phones have great support for custom roms
my phone has basically every android 10 rom available for it
@vast moss what you mean lineageOS doesnt have any rom for Xiaomi?
vast moss
no card slot
not sure what I think about this
@vast moss what you mean lineageOS doesnt have any rom for Xiaomi?
They do, but none of the phones that are also in Xiaomi's product list
wheat plume
Yeah, the xiaomi website only shows phone that they want people to buy
vast moss
wheat plume
Buy from banggood or amazon
vast moss
also, could I even install Lineage on the Mi Mix 3 if there's no dedicated build?
wheat plume
wait...the Alpha is on there? :O I thought it was just a concept phone, they selling it now?
also, could I even install Lineage on the Mi Mix 3 if there's no dedicated build?
@vast moss you could take your chancewith a GSI build
vast moss
I don't think you can buy from the Xiaomi website, so it might just be a pre-release product page
GSI?
wheat plume
Generic System Image
vast moss
and if that fails?
wheat plume
its what you use if you really want a ROM but there isnt a build made for your specific device
and if that fails?
@vast moss try another rom! there are many out there
vast moss
I wonder if /e/ has a build. I'm also interested in trying them out
wheat plume
the redmi note 7, the mix 2S, the note 8
they are all really popular for custom roms
/e/ ?
what
vast moss
hmm
wheat plume
Graphene is a privacy focused OS
vast moss
So let's see, current recs are Xiaomi Mi Mix 3, Redmi Note 7, Mix 2S, Note 8; Google Pixel 3?
wheat plume
yup, those are nice options
keep in mind, the Mix 3 has the slider design to use the front camera and on MIUI, you can configure the sound and action that happens when you slide down the screen but on custom roms you cannot
vast moss
are these all Xiaomi products? and noted, thanks
wheat plume
they are
vast moss
also added Pixel 3 into the list
wheat plume
Honestly, look through all of xiaomi's phones and see what one you like the best
try to avoid ones with a mediatek processor, stick to snapdragon for best custom rom support and battery life
vast moss
I see
wheat plume
luckily there arent a lt of those
vast moss
well, that yeets the Teracube out of my option list
wheat plume
I need to see what teracube is about ahaha
vast moss
https://myteracube.com/ take a look
wheat plume
thats a freakin bold ass claim right on the home page
vast moss
that it is
wheat plume
the worlds most reliable smartphone
vast moss
I "like" that the i doesn't look right in that font
thick elk
Also uses a mediatek btw
wheat plume
Yeha I just saw that -.-
vast moss
that's why I said it yeeted it out of my option list
wheat plume
oof
vast moss
I like the idea behind the Teracube, and some of the features are nice, but it would be good to use Lineage or /e/ or something (Lana mentioned Graphene; might check that out too)
wheat plume
Graphene is only for pixel phones
vast moss
ahh
I'd have to check out the Pixel 3 specs and see if they are in that same price/feature ballpark
wheat plume
Pixel 3A is hella worth the price for the camera and pure android points alone
vast moss
or highly unaffordable like the fairphone
Teracube is only $250...
wheat plume
ooh
vast moss
is it possible to dual-boot between pure Android and a custom ROM on any of the aforementioned devices? (is it even necessary?)
thick elk
It would certainly cut into your availible storage space
vast moss
I've not run a device with more than 16GB storage so far
wheat plume
Btw, if you do choose to use Xiaomi phones, you will need to make a mi account to use the unlock tool.
Also Orangefox recovery is better to use on Xiaomi phones than TWRP is.
You can install Orangefox using TWRP though so install that first
I've not run a device with more than 16GB storage so far
@vast moss ;-;
vast moss
yeah, really sucks because storage is always an issue
for reference, my Tab A is 8GB, half of which is already taken up by Android and Samsung bloatware
wheat plume
I really hate Samsung so badly
vast moss
I like Samsung for the physical Home button, but that's about it
dapper ridge
cough gone
vast moss
My daily-use phone is an iPhone 6S
wheat plume
if you wanna use custom roms on android 10, get used to fullscreen gestures
thick elk
I never owned a smartphone with less than 32gb storage as the note 3 was my first and my current phone is a zte axon 7 with 64gb. I also used a 64gb micro sd for a long time and now a 400gb
vast moss
eh, might as well learn to use them
wheat plume
I had a 32GB Nexus 7 tablet, I loved that thing so much
amazing screen, amazing camera, wireless charging
120 euro
vast moss
nice!
wheat plume
(the 2013 edition, or was it 2012? idk, the second one not the first one)
thick elk
Never saw the need for a tablet myself. I have a desktop, phone, laptop. The only reason I own a tablet now is because my mother got a new one and I could fix it up for around 10 euro's
wheat plume
vast moss
a question about getting Android apps: if I have a custom ROM, does the storefront they use go off of Google Play? probably dumb question tbh
$250 for a 28nm in 2020 :/
28nm? and is that good or bad?
wheat plume
a question about getting Android apps: if I have a custom ROM, does the storefront they use go off of Google Play? probably dumb question tbh
@vast moss they all use play store
thick elk
250 is pretty expensive for the hardware
vast moss
what even is meant by a 28nm? and is qlum still talking about the Teracube?
they all use play store
comprehensible
ah. Well, the Teracube is apparently a mid-budget phone
vast moss
idk how good that cpu is
it says octa-core 2.0GHz, but even then, are there better ones out there for a similar price?
wheat plume
Snapdragon better :PP
vast moss
seeing that it's probably going to be a secondary device, I don't want to spend too much on one. The $250 budget seems about where I want to go for this, unless I can put out a bit more for a better price/feature device
wheat plume
250 might get you a mix 2S now a days, thats got a snapdragon 845 + 6gb ram + 64GB storage
The 848 is the flagship processor from 2018/2019
vast moss
I can't find the Mix 2S on Amazon; maybe Ebay?
wheat plume
I got mine from my carrier shop but my previous two phones I got from banggood website
humidity sensor??? what?
vast moss
Given that I would like to use mine probably not actually as a phone, I wouldn't mind--heck, would probably prefer--getting an unlocked one
wheat plume
any phone you buy online will be unlocked unless it says otherwise or you are buying it from a carrier
ooohh, interesting
Antutu3dBench takes so long to run
wheat plume
oo, used. idk the battery life may be worse but since its a secodary device I assume you will always have it near a charger?
vast moss
likely
wheat plume
Id take it then assuming nothing is wrong with it hardware wise
even mine is dipping in battery life
I had mine since january last year
vast moss
I don't suppose I could get the battery replaced if need be?
wheat plume
woah the bottom of that thing is scuffed up a lot
vast moss
and I know they said there was a bit of cosmetic damage, including a dented corner and slightly scratched screen
if you have an ifixit kit, yea
I don't, but I know someone who does
wheat plume
O.o dafuq
vast moss
wow
wheat plume
this seller is also giving a glass protector and back cover
vast moss
the wording is a bit hard to follow; is that what it is? to me it looks like a new screen (probably for replacing the current one) and a film for the back, may be part of the original packaging
wheat plume
front tempered glass is usually a glass screen protector
i doubt they actually replaced the screen glass itself
vast moss
I see
vast moss
I don't think they did themselves, but it might be that it's so the customer can do it
if your someone also has the microwaveable heat bag thingy you could probably save some money buying a phone with a broken screen
the what?
ah, interesting
Bring your own screen and sure
so, should I, or does anyone else have a rec with similar price/feature ratio?
wheat plume
my previous phone got shattered and nearly totally brokem by my mom who is currently using it
vast moss
wow
wheat plume
on the top corner you can see inside the damn phone
wheat plume
They have stores in some locations
but yeah, they save money by going through amazon and other online stores
vast moss
I go to uni in a city in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan (middle of pretty much nowhere), and I couldn't find the Mix 2S on Amazon
vast moss
noted, thanks
wheat plume
this isnt a bad price at all :DD
I wish I got the white version ;-;
you coudnt see fingerprints and also its not boring like the black one
but nooooooooo, the store only had black
vast moss
I think I'd prefer the black version, honestly
wheat plume
owo
vast moss
owo
vast moss
I wonder: if I buy something via Amazon UK but I live in the US, would it be possible to get it shipped there?
wheat plume
doesnt amazon tell you where it can ship to on the product page?
vast moss
It's not saying it can't ship, and it even tells me how much it'd cost
vast moss
Is 265 a good price for 128 GB and possibly new?
wheat plume
possibly new?
vast moss
It doesn't specify immediately, I'll have to prowl the product page
And is there a difference between EU/Global and US version?
crimson wigeon
Yes, 'murica uses different frequencies compared to rest of world so if you live there you should take the 'MURICA variant
wheat plume
I think the network bands, the global might be best unless you get a USA one
crimson wigeon
Unless of course you don't care at all about using the mobile features in which case you can get either no problemo
wheat plume
^^
reef patrol
I mean... being able to use data is kind of important 😛
vast moss
I don't know if I will be using it as a phone as much as just a mini tablet
vast moss
hold on, this is in GBP, so USD might be about 300
vast moss
yeah, 351 acc. Amazon
wheat plume
hmm idk look at other xiaomi phones instead
vast moss
that, or I can take the roughed-up US one for 220
vast moss
Could do the note 7 pro for /e/ or look at what I can do for lineage
redmi note 4 for lineage. oof
wheat plume
yup
its still got a 16:9 screen with a physical navbar
my friend has it for the last like 2 years and he is changing it next week
vast moss
ouch
wheat plume
if you are looking at the phones supported by lineageOS then lemme see the list and help you
vast moss
lineage or /e/
wheat plume
newest phone lineage has is the poco f1 ://
wheat plume
why are you interested in Lineage?
vast moss
Because I want to try not-Google Android
wheat plume
aosp?
vast moss
?
wheat plume
Android Open Source Project
Core android is open source and people build roms based on that without google apps
vast moss
hm
wheat plume
If you like that idea, you can try out havocOS
or ArrowOS
both of those do not come with google apps and they offer features that android normally does not have also
vast moss
Might have to check those out
vast moss
What I'm mainly looking for is an Android device that is newer (as in, still supported), has decent features and specs, and doesn't break the bank
wheat plume
but you want not google-ified android
vast moss
would be nice to be able to go to one of those if I wanted to get away from Google, so definitely worth taking into consideration
got dang, I feel like I'm just being picky by now :/
wheat plume
you still have the same setup process as android but you can avoid logging into google account
but then you cant use the play store without loggin into the acount
vast moss
hm, figured so
wheat plume
even if you choose iPhone you still have google apps, so many iphone users use gmail and google maps and google chrome :')) the irony is amazing when they say iPhone is more private despite using mostly google apps
vast moss
I don't use many Google apps, only Gmail and Youtube
wheat plume
thats fair
vast moss
and I'm trying to get away from Gmail. I also use ProtonMail for personal stuff, but uni requires Google
My family's looking into iPhone upgrades so hopefully I get a newer iPhone soon as my daily driver, but I also have used Android on the side and would like to continue to do so. It's just that I'd like to look into also using a device that supports a less-Google Android
it's a bit odd, I know
vast moss
A pinephone?
And I don’t need (or tbh want) to be entirely Google-less (I have some Play Store things that I have put money into) but Linux on a phone seems fun too, will have to look into it
wheat plume
if you want as open source as you can get while still having access to the play store to get apps then a rom without gapps included is the best way to go
Lineage, Arrow Vanilla, havoc OS, crDriod, i think AOSIP also
vast moss
I see. Kinda what I thought. I think that by now it’s gotten so complicated I may need to start over with my search and find a good budget phone and rom to go with. But for now, I have something to do, so maybe later if you’re still up you can give me recs, or we can recap our current recs and see what would work best
It was... Pixel 3a, Redmi Note 8 or 7, and Mi Mix 3 or 2S
wheat plume
budget phone probably the redmi note 8 or 7
vast moss
Budget but powerful enough that I can actually use it for things
wheat plume
yeah of course, the 636 is noiceeeee
handled every game I tried except pubg, which dropped down to medium graphics and stuttered a bit
pale sigil
wheat plume
wat
vast moss
Do you know of any custom ROMs that can work on a Redmi Note 7 or 8?
wheat plume
I get all my custom rom news from telegram, there is an XDA group channel for my phone and they keep a record of all custom roms + kernels for it in the notes
vast moss
I’d probably have to check price tho just to see what it’d cost
wheat plume
so I suggest getting telegram and finding a channel for your phone you wanna look into
vast moss
I have Telegram
vast moss
I don’t think I quite comprehend
wheat plume
these are notes in the channel. you can use the bot to get one of them and get the links for the latest version of the note you asked for
vast moss
Ah
wheat plume
like if I did #arrowos it would give me the download link + changelog for the latest version
ashen spindle
yea im just gonna stick to using my phone as a phone and not linux 2 go
wheat plume
same xd
vast moss
But no phones sold afaik
wheat plume
you can get the pinephone then get the system image and install it that way
vast moss
Perhaps. The one I saw tho has some oof specs
wheat plume
afaik you cant make phone calls yet on ubuntu touch? 🤔 idk thouhg
vast moss
bien a mí
wheat plume
yeah its 150 euro linux phone, it wont have money to make a good phone for that price sadly
vast moss
ofc
wheat plume
i just wanna yeet
vast moss
?
wheat plume
so bored and not able to get this crap to work -.-
vast moss
What kind of crap?
thick elk
There is chrome OS probably growing from it's education niche. For coding and in enterprise linux does have some great benefit's so it may grow there but for the average consumer indeed if ever it's not going to be a thing fast.
Unless Windows gets ported to the linux kernel
Also china may just outright ban windows at some point
giving linux a technical victory
cedar glen
meh china wants full control, so they wouldn't allow linux per se if they were going to ban windows, at best they'd make some CCCP distro which is close sourced and on lockdown in that case
vast moss
I know that some Linux distro makers (e.g. Canonical, the org behind Ubuntu) create distros meant for Chinese users (e.g. Ubuntu Kylin)
feral jolt
i hope there is some kind of mechanism to make it more accurate for people with fat fingers
wheat plume
How does one fit 1TB storage into a thing the size of that?
pale sigil
Computer science
foggy solstice
@wheat plume One bit at a time.
fair gull
was that a serial joke
foggy solstice
I don't know.
wheat plume
OwO
reef patrol
😄
wheat plume
FML
zenith sonnet
Does one really need something like that any more?
Win 10 feels less bloated then Win 7, which felt less bloated than Win XP...
🤔
wheat plume
Win 10 feels less bloated then Win 7, which felt less bloated than Win XP...
@zenith sonnet Comes with a bunch of Candy Crush games and other various apps no one wants and keeps reinstalling them if you try to get rid of them
yes, very unbloated
ashen spindle
I uninstalled all that once and it never came back
wheat plume
I installed this on 22nd, removed all those and updated to the newest version available
they ALL came back
thick elk
I remember having a similar issue once, the solution in my case was to write a cmd file that launched the powershell script I made.
reef patrol
They don't come back. They were never installed.
wheat plume
why you need a cmd script to run a powershell script?
reef patrol
They are SUGGESTIONS to download.
wheat plume
I mean they started to download again
thick elk
because running the script directly gives you permission errors
wheat plume
O.o OOoh
thick elk
which for one pc you can work around but when sharing it around work is a different story.
wheat plume
I am upset......I cant download the cursor theme I used to use on Windows anymore, DevientArt no longer lets you download without logging in
so FML
ashen spindle
you could log in?
wheat plume
I dont want to make an account just to download one thing
zenith sonnet
Agree with Mansen, none of those suggestions ever came back for me
And another reason why I think Win 10 is less bloated. On XP and 7, much of that came preinstalled
wheat plume
hmmmmm
dont remember shitty mobile games being preinstalled on 7
its teasing me, so close yet so unreachable ;-;
ashen spindle
I mean you either make a throw away account if you want it or dont
wheat plume
I hate the cursor theme
its boring and I am so used to ones without a tail now
I need to do a project in college
cause she wont let us use anything else
Oracle sql developer version 4
Visual Studio Code C# Windows Forms
then you need to use the college lab computers and try to find a room with the software installed and not full from a class in there for longer than an hour
wheat plume
RIP Taskbar
misty saffron
i don’t want to make an account
bugmenot 
though i know a couple of websites which check bugmenot and ban the accounts automatically
thick elk
Technically gmail also has aliasses included within one account. You add or remove a . anywhere in your address and it will arrive, you can then filter on the dot if needed.
derp
it's late
misty saffron
or you could get gsuite for unlimited emails as well
vast moss
But is G Suite free?
crimson wigeon
Not anymore
vast moss
I’d be surprised if it was, but based on “not anymore” I take it it was?
halcyon moss
If you had g suite before a certain date, its free.
wheat plume
When you want to use headphones so you plug them in, hit play and they dont fucking work because windows is like "no, not today"
that is my life EVERYTIME I install windows on this laptop
even when I got this laptop out of the box it had this issue
Linux works fine, even Pop OS gives me a little thing to choose if I wanna send output to headphones are continue using the laptop speakers
windows just cannot do it
old marlin
it can though
you just have to set it up correctly
and you can make similar arguments about linux as well
cedar glen
you can install something like realtek audio or whatever your drivers are
and it'll enable the popup
old marlin
I don't even wanna know how linux will handle audio drivers for my laptop
my laptop has 2 jacks
old marlin
but one can switch between every possible stereo output
so mics and headphones/speakers
and one can be anything basically
headset combo, mic, headphones
basically anything audio related with a 3.5mm jack
wheat plume
wow
old marlin
too bad sound quality sucks
wheat plume
got my headphones plugged in an also rebooted
reef patrol
Yeah the dynamic ports are pretty common these days. Realtek chips with TERRIBLE software. But it works 😄
old marlin
yea
terrible sound though
and crackling
also didn't manage to automatically detect my mic in the mic port
old marlin
you can change it in the sound manager
unfortunatley win 10 tries to keep that out of reach
wheat plume
I uninstalled all the audio drivers one time
it worked
but then after turning on my computer they all came back
and this is part of the drivers and it sounds really bad
the only way to remove this is to get rid of the drivers and they just come back after reboot
old marlin
well because windows realizes it doesn't come with drivers
for end users it is great
jsut don't try to get as little software as possible
if it comes back then you basically have to live with it
wheat plume
I just got the new MIUI animations
pale sigil
@wheat plume download the drivers you want, remove ones you don't, reboot without Internet and install the ones you want
And crash every 5 min
thick elk
Oh fuck my phone's screen just died for 50%.
The glass and touch screen are still in tact just the amoled panel got killed.
I had it in a sleeve and held it upside down accidentally
it fell on the edge killing the display without damaging the rest
Of course I can replace the screen but I kind of need a phone so I guess I'll have to buy a new one
Not for the rarer models
it's getting the parts that is the big factor
true enough, I can still blindly use it
pale sigil
Personally
thick elk
I will probably just get a new one and keep the old one as an actual proper backup
pale sigil
I have spare phones and would prob just buy a £10 phone if needed
While waiting for a repair
thick elk
I can use some ancient thing I have laying around as well but I really don't enjoy a long wait.
A bigger factor is I get some funds from work to spend on mostly electronics so overspending there really is not a big deal
fair gull
finally setup a dyndns with netcup
really nice that they have a dns api without ratelimits
thick elk
Seems the impact half disconnected the ribbon cable, Opening it up fixed it entirely
pale sigil
Nice
zenith mirage
I bought a new battery for my old phone and it revived the thing. My mates are always confused why I kept it, but it seemed a shame to chuck it or sell it for a few quid
wheat plume
so it works now but as soon as I run any windows updates itll install the realtek drivers and that stupid wavvaudio app
and break it all again
it doesnt open
it just makes the cursor show the loading animation for a minute then stops
nothing shows up
ashen spindle
what kind of botched windows did you get
wheat plume
the offical ISO from microsoft's website
fallow bison
dell windows
wheat plume
even when I got the laptop it had this issue and it was brand new from the store
dell windows
@fallow bison Exactly
-.-
fallow bison
😄
ashen spindle
home? pro? N version or non N?
wheat plume
home but the same thing happened on the pro version i torrented
reef patrol
Sounds like a hardwear problem
ashen spindle
N or non N?
wheat plume
no, it isnt hardware related
everything is fine on Linux and even more fine on Pop OS
reef patrol
I mean... that doesn't mean you don't have a hardware issue 😄
Just that Linux doesn't care.
ashen spindle
n or non n verison of windows?
wheat plume
idk?
reef patrol
If you don't know, it's very unlikely N 😄
wheat plume
ashen spindle
could try the N version then
reef patrol
EU version with less bloat. Like no media player 😄
ashen spindle
yeah this has been around since win7 at least
wheat plume
oh, I got this laptop in america as it was far cheaper than getting a worse model in ireland
reef patrol
If only the browser choice thing was kept mandatory - And MS gets their ass handed for demanding an MS account.
So tired of MS constantly trying to pull new shit.
fair gull
windows defender existed since winxp and came bundled since vista
ashen spindle
on the other hand during the time I played gtaV I wished I didn't have an N version, had to install the new version of the media feature pack after every update to get the game running
fair gull
i dont understand the n version shit
reef patrol
Not forcing Media player and shit on people.
fair gull
ik that
reef patrol
But they should have been forced to give you a popup prompt instead.
ashen spindle
I got it as win7 pro n back during uni bc I didnt notice it lmao
reef patrol
You couldn't not have IE though.
They never tried to. They wanted to give users an informed option, instead of thinking "Oh internet is that blue E icon"
fair gull
would be kinda shit to not be able to download anything aswell
so they have to bundle some form of browser
reef patrol
But only because Chrome was bundled with everything under the earth.
fair gull
and still is
reef patrol
Almost every single pensioners PC I have worked on uses Edge, unless I've installed something else through Ninite 😄
reef patrol
Honestly Windows should just have a first time option that actually gave you meaningful things to setup. Not "Do you want durr personalized ads?" "Do you want to enable GPS on your... desktop PC. so you can google maps?"
"What media player do you want?"
"What browser do you want?"
"Do you want a different AV suite?"
And - No - Goddamned - MS - Account - Enforcement
triggered
reef patrol
There is here in DK.
If I am connected to the internet, it will NOT give me the option to create a local account.
That first bootup after install where you pick things - Every time. I gotta unplug Ethernet, or remind myself NOT to log onto wireless first.
So annoying 😄
ashen spindle
yeah the latest windows version changed it so you don't need that anymore I thought?
reef patrol
Not here.
I have recreated all of my USBs, and even a factory reset still provokes it here.
wheat plume
it came back ..... -.- but HOW?
reef patrol
It began what... a year ago?
wheat plume
there were no updates
reef patrol
It's obviously some kind of trigger it gets from MS servers, if it's connected.
fair gull
imma boot a 1607 iso i have
and check
the setup runs like garbage on just 256mb of ram
ngl
the education iso wont work shit
it installed fine
and threw me right into local account creation
nope
feature updates are opt in
they dont happen automatically
id need to open the win update settings and click "download and install"
reef patrol
I've definitely seen old versions get Windows warnings about old versions.
reef patrol
Anything but the service packs get auto updated here.
If I check for updates, it will show "Ready to install 1903" or whatever in a separate section. Which is nice.
No more weird issues there.
fair gull
ya
and thats since pmuch ever
cant remember it not being like that
i think i broke the vm
what modern ui
isnt that how it always looked
wheat plume
itll always look like that because its literall the SAME CODE
0.O
no matter what windows version -.-
fair gull
i have never seen a different audio mixer ui
the only different one would be https://discordjs.moe/o2YyLksTNi.png
i mean wouldnt u be able to find screens of it
or download an 1803 iso and check
u from the us?
downloading the iso
fair gull
this will take ages
thats a tenth of what i could do
atm mine tops at 24~
when the poles could finish putting down the fibre faster id get 100~
ashen spindle
sounds about right
fair gull
gives me the usual offline account thing
this is a US iso btw
then u clikc that
and boom
wheat plume
Also had this option for my install but I coudnt do that because my license key is on my account
wheat plume
same code
fair gull
lana m8
locke said it looked different i didnt believe it and checked
its not like ms cant change it
they just wont
wheat plume
they wont change it
its the same code as it waas the first time they made it
maybe a bit of code to get it to work on 10 but maybe not
pale sigil
what are we on about
ashen spindle
but its not like the ui code is completely tied to code that makes the ui...
zenith sonnet
Where does the text vanish?
Like, the 'Explore new features'
That's easy to read, though
The title is WAY to bright, though
It bleeds into the black
ashen spindle
yeah its readable but not a good color match, definitely not visible on certain monitors or angles
zenith sonnet
If your monitor is so shitty you can't read that, you deserve it
zenith sonnet
No, the UI design is good
They shouldn't make it worse for a few people with bad monitors
ashen spindle
how is it good if at best it's barely readable???
reef patrol
If only I had that nifty little option to create offline accounts...without unplugging the web 😄
@fair gull
zenith sonnet
I do!
reef patrol
grumles in gutteral danish
zenith sonnet
You're just doing it wrong
fair gull
wouldnt know why the danish iso would differ wastly from the US and DE iso
zenith sonnet
I highly doubt they differ
reef patrol
fair gull
u select a language on first boot none the less
zenith sonnet
We need to walk Mansen through the setup next time
reef patrol
fair gull
ya
pale sigil
just I use US ENG
zenith sonnet
What should I use, with the brits having left the EU now?
pale sigil
i tried using fuckin ISO ENG but i gave up and just use US
zenith sonnet
Don't wanna use some second world language
fair gull
what
pale sigil
it doesnn't matter
fair gull
u literally select the language on boot
fair gull
first boot after install u select system language and keyboard layout
it virtually doesnt matter what iso u use
zenith sonnet
Uh, the installer usually asks me language and keyboard, first thing
fair gull
thats for the installer
pale sigil
Region defines say word itll use US
zenith sonnet
Hell, the Microsoft USB creation tool already asks me
pale sigil
Most of MS apps will use the language defined by region
pale sigil
No
reef patrol
Uhh... You don't pick language until pretty late in the process. Probably not great to see english install text, if you don't read it 😄
fair gull
u mean this right? https://discordjs.moe/fYysTXU5vw.png
zenith sonnet
I use EN-UK system language, ISO-DE keyboard, and set region to Germany
reef patrol
You mean... practically everyone but you yanks? 😄
zenith sonnet
Works flawlessly
fair gull
so why do u use an en-uk iso then
reef patrol
100.000 Yurros.
1,9%
Don't @ me
fair gull
like right after the win10 install after cortana talks to you for 0 reason
it wants to know what system language u wanna use
right after that it wants layout
and u can even add additional ones
zenith sonnet
Heh, never did that for me
reef patrol
Tell me, Callum.
fair gull
it does since 1803
fair gull
there is no no option
reef patrol
No Cortana in Denmark. So nice and quiet 😄
fair gull
u have to select one and click next
pale sigil
12 hour clocks are so lame
fair gull
@reef patrol downloading danish iso and u better be right about this or else imma kill u
reef patrol
I will literally grab an SSD and show you tomorrow, if you remind me, Tiny 😄
ashen spindle
only weird thing I ever had with windows and languages was that at work the license manager tool said I had my Visual Studio region set to Azerbaijan with simple chinese as language
fair gull
downloading and installing into vm in like 10mins
pale sigil
weird thing i had which a lot of people di
was when start menu wouldn't even search local shit
cos it was attached to bing
and had to be disabled in regedit
it happened
to literally almost everyone
no
it was down to MS
reef patrol
Didn't really affect me - I don't search 😄
fair gull
https://discordjs.moe/uxNk7l2967.png https://discordjs.moe/KAKDTt1z3P.png https://discordjs.moe/b7t9vB-_o-_s.png
after all of those
and 1 reboot thx to windows being shite
pale sigil
not you
reef patrol
Must be a regional thing 😄
reef patrol
I have literally never seen Cortana, except for one time on a pre-installed Dell laptop I think. Where I left it alone
pale sigil
ye i do to
fair gull
u can just go to whatever
pale sigil
i felt cripplied
fair gull
and get that lang
fair gull
anyway
pale sigil
Wait no it doesn't
fair gull
time to shutdown the dumb vm
reef patrol
The ISO just dictates the pre-install environment 😄
reef patrol
fair gull
the only thing always bound to be the same as the original iso is the boot text
like "preparing devices"
and shit like that
actually anything pre winlogon
i use explorer
pale sigil
explorer
fair gull
couldnt be arsed to install a third party tool
pale sigil
explorer works just fine
fair gull
ya
pale sigil
so i neer bothered with other tools
fair gull
the only issue i had with explorer got fixed when i updated to 1909
so /shrug
like this?
k imma stay with explorer then
thats literally just 2 explorer windows side by side btw
so
basically like explorer.exe just looking like its ripped straight from win98
i will stay by my previous statement then
i use opus a lot
so
DOpus
not Opus
that looks even worse than total commander
ngl
why not use powershell
white and black?
PS is white on blue
but ok
well
red errors and such
but
who uses cmd in this day and age
PS is so much more powerful
this is like a blast from win7
no ps
shitty explorer
is this why u cling to ur tools?
pale sigil
cmd is just quick to use
fair gull
i mean cmd wont ever be removed
so
¯_(ツ)_/¯
what
how do these relate to total commander and the other one
well except yt-dl having memory leaks with large ass videos
@reef patrol how the fuck can anyone read this language you call danish
zenith sonnet
I know Cortana can't
fair gull
seeing this
i understand why
they didnt even bother translation "Windows Installation" or "Status"
actually no cortana in denmark
holy
this is nice
@reef patrol https://discordjs.moe/cJNmP7KVXe.png
get fucked
works fine
wheat plume
4:3 tho
wheat plume
True
So windows doesn't automatically resize to native resolution of you maximise it on a VM?
pale sigil
no
wheat plume
Hmm
crimson wigeon
It does if you install the fancy integration drivers
crimson wigeon
The heck does native mean in this case
pale sigil
N A T I V E
crimson wigeon
Well if you use Hyper-V and an enhanced session you shouldn't even have to install anything extra
pale sigil
N A T I V E
old marlin
fml
why does idrac mess with keyboard layouts
and why does that make usage basicalyl impossible when it randomly swaps y and z
pale sigil
zenith sonnet
Well... Guess someone picked up my idea...
Too bad they're using generic cherry switches :(
fickle ore
:F
fair gull
inb4 software requirement
reef patrol
I'd love to see this become a mainstream thing at some point.
It would certainly solve the issues with layouts 😉
ONE SKU FOR ALL
ALL
Haha!
Oh no 😄
cedar glen
ONE SKU FOR ALL
@reef patrol except the americans who will go for ANSI because murica
ashen spindle
you mean international english iso
reef patrol
On the bright side you should be able to just trim the excess with a hobby knife when it starts drying?
Maybe it expands?
lethal wasp
I was aiming for the height of the compartments
where the pcb rests
it's very viscous
akin to thicc honey
not sure if bubbles will escape
may also be slightly compressable
old marlin
Silicone is easier to get bubbles out
Than epoxy
Pressure pot still is the best though
ashen spindle
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-wants-to-do-away-with-windows-10-local-accounts/ well, guess the easiest to make local account was a bug or something if this is the grand plan
old marlin
disconnecting from the internet is the only way atm
ashen spindle
Yesnt
It’s case for mansen but not tiny (scroll up to see the discussion we already had about it) when it should be the other way around lmao
lethal wasp
because money investment and inexperience
ptfe impregnated fabric tape
bandaid mod is pepega/cringe
imagine sticking plasters in a 600 pound build
thick elk
The problem is not the spying itself but they want to link the devices together get even more information
reef patrol
It's also a bit of an issue if you ever go offline.
Windows can throw a fit and refuse to accept your ACTUAL password to log in, unless you put it on wifi
Why yes - 1234 IS your chosen PIN. But we're unsure if that's still accurate, so please log in with your email and actual password. Oh you just want to use the PC? Sorry
old marlin
yea exactly
reef patrol
I hope Microsoft faces massive backlash, now that they're making it more global.
thick elk
I mean the problem for microsoft with having local accounts that are not synced
reef patrol
My Windows based PC's account is locally stored. Why should an online cloud service dictate how I use it?
If I choose to go online, I'll be logged in - It shouldn't be part of the base experience/limitation itself.
That's like not letting you use your smartphone, because there's no reception.
thick elk
From what I know the online accounts are actually just a microsoft account linked to a local account. You can login just fine if you are offline.
reef patrol
When it works? Yes.
That is rarely the case though.
I have had to call up so many customers asking for their email and password, because the PIN isn't accepted any longer.
thick elk
I remember in the windows 8 days changing your password in your microsoft account did not propogate onto the local accounts
Nowadays I just use a local account
Just a bit of nag in the very rare case I need to use the store but otherwise fine.
I mostly just use my windows install for gaming at home anyway so no biggy
as for a simple sudo password, I am sort of guilty of that as well or rather I use an ancient password it's still 16 random lowercase letters / numbers and one captilized letter at some random spot
I should memorize a new one
Changing passwords every few months is terible security practice
old marlin
I use keepass privately
reef patrol
Those password schemes do more harm than good. Because people WILL be writing those down on postits or use password tools 😄
thick elk
I use keepass as well. No way am I going to do unique passwords any other way
old marlin
password managers atm are not that good
thick elk
they define the password for you? if not you can just use a small mutation on an existing password.
old marlin
yea
my school is especially bad
required password length depends on what variations of characters you use
thick elk
I don't know what too similar would be but it may be possible to game their system
thick elk
At work we don't have strict requirements or good security in general. I do however require everyone to use at least 14 characters in their lastpass account.
Sure terrible passwords will be used but at least they are slightly longer
old marlin
@thick elk we have it worse
let's just say it is a good thing that the old password manager we have at work from an external isn't used that much
lol
thick elk
My strategy for learning a new password is as follows: create a new keypass db protected with the old password storing the new one.
Practice the new password frequently and delete the old database when I know the password well enough.
I also don't mix local passwords with online services
zenith sonnet
My strategy for learning new ones is to use them twice...
As long as I use them regularly, that works for me
Problems are those I only need every few months
thick elk
sure but getting long random keys memorized takes quite a bit of effort. This is moslty talking about os logins / crypto unlocks. As online services are all stored in keepass
old marlin
nah
takes me like 3 days to learn them
and I want a server hosted solution ideally
also self hosted
thick elk
Yea but comparing that Xeanoa I would call that quite a bit of effort
old marlin
bitwarden would be the best on the market atm
but even that has some problems
especially the subscription service aspect
thick elk
I am fine with keypass + mailing my databases around. As for browser integration the Kee addon is quite good.
old marlin
I have no big problem with mailing it around/having it backed up in our cloud
but that only works for personal use
for work we need something that can easily be used as a team
thick elk
at work we use lastpass but yea it's kind of shit
old marlin
without needing to constantly replace a file
I wouldn't be able to pitch that tbh
because it is hosted on external servers
thick elk
I thought you where talking about personal use but yea work has different needs
old marlin
my boss extremely doubts anything not hosted yourself
imo lastpass is borderline useless for personal use lol
since keepass exists
zenith sonnet
If people put as much effort into learning their passwords than they do in avoiding to learn them... :p
reef patrol
Not having to change passwords every few months might help there, Xea 😄
old marlin
I'm kinda annoyed that I need to go to my bank to change my online banking password
thick elk
My bank is really great about that one. You have to change the password yearly so, out of nowhere you get the prompt you have to change your password now. No warning beforehand or anything.
reef patrol
We use a nationalized 2 factor system here in Denmark. You log in with your social security no. and a password, or a username and password.
And then the 2 factor either has you type in a one time password from a cardboard paper, or a mobile app.
This covers banks, any kind of digital signature from the state and companies as well as our "public mailbox", which is basically an email for anything that doesn't need to be sent in paper. Stuff from doctors, schools, state, banks and whoever else has signed up.
I use Lastpass. It is such a godsend on PC for random forums.
And since practically everything "important" is covered by 2 factor, I'm not really at risk. It just lets me use insane one-time passwords for anything, so random haxxor can't reuse it 😄
thick elk
As for doing questions and answers more elegently you can create a group and within the group (folder) have an entry for the password, and one for the secret questions.
You can use a lot of subfolders in keepass and the way the interface is organized it doesn't clutter too much.
Personally I find putting it in notes not that bad.
cedar glen
I should find an alternative to lastpass that handles phones for free
not interested in paying for premium when it'd just give me android sync, considering I'd use that once in a blue moon
well it's still useful that one time
I usually end up connecting to the lastpass vault via web browser when that happens
for example, needing to connect to some admin site while I'm dealing with bureaucracy and paper pushing
pale sigil
my bank has 2
thick elk
that was random, Windows decided it was smart to disable DHCP resulting in no working network connection.
timid chasm
I removed windows dns for my connection and discord and a few other sites refused to connect without me enabled and disabling both ethernet and wifi again.
timid chasm
please convince me not to try and trade our 1080 ti towards a 2080 ti for some 4k gaming
cedar glen
@timid chasm don't try and trade your 1080 ti towards a 2080 ti for some 4k gaming
halcyon moss
new gpus are coming soon, dont buy a gpu now! :p
timid chasm
i.e.*, I think
but that's also true
Boo decisions.
latin shit but ie essentialy means "in other words"
thick elk
Example given
timid chasm
eg is "for example"
reef patrol
i.e. "That is"
They're being slaughtered - THAT IS (I mean to say) they're being spawncamped.
Bad example but an example nonetheless.
zenith sonnet
You better stop using 'etc.' and '&' as well
pale sigil
Why etc
ashen spindle
nah, tesla Gx100 will be announced if at all
not really true, but they are the ones buying the biggest silicon so thats why they get stuff first
not really much to say if one or two quarters the next gen comes out for that market
whereas in data center they compete with xeon etc.
yeaaaa.... no
fair gull
getting 15 switches for my mouse cost me like 30bucks
good i only need one every 2 years
timid chasm
I guess this is tech...ish
https://mars.nasa.gov/resources/curiositys-1-8-billion-pixel-panorama/?site=msl
pale sigil
This still blows my mind
umbral granite
thats cool
halcyon moss
super cool
old marlin
I'd love to see a comparison of the original ones
since I remember there being some hiss problems with it
also HD 6XX are great
pale sigil
@neat oriole help me here
fair gull
ordered around 7pm and delivered 12pm
next day
mouse will rejoice with new switches
old marlin
not even japanese ones
fair gull
give me model number
and seller
those are already 2euro a pop
the japs are prob even more expensive
fair gull
are those actually good