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#🔌│tech
old marlin
guess you are at the mercy of your desktop enviroment
and how far you can modify it to your needs until it breaks
oh
you just mean workflow wise?
well if you only used full monitors before
and have something that can snap to half/quarter screens it is easy
or something that lets you resize windows and let others fill the remaining space
I am sure some linux desktop enviroments support that natively
yea
should be almost the same
and then more flexibility as an added bonus
size for the monitor?
21:9 are basically only made in two sizes
29"
which is ALMOST as tall as 24"
and 34"
I'd go for the latter if the budget allows it
if you want it for productivity, yes
framerate is better than on 1440p either way
you only have ~25% more pixels iirc
even the larger ones don't have THAT much more than 1440p
what do you have rn
and what do you wanna do with it?
gpu/cpu?
mmh
yea
I see the problem
6600k is in a though spot
I used a 1080p ultrawide with the same cpu and comparable videos cards
it works pretty much just fine
performance bump isn't too big
comparable as in r9 390x, rx 480, rx 580
all 8gb models
atm use a 1060 and an r5 1600
also works just fine
can't help you with that unfortunatley
I only went through a shitton of gpus
not monitors
old marlin
oof
I found 23
LG UltraGear 34GL750-B
seems like a very good option
newer version of what you sent in apparently
curved though
cheaper, gsync certified , 34", 1080p, 144hz
HDR10 which doesn't mean crap anyways
actualy insanely good for 400 euros
damn
btw if you have to order from germany anyways, https://geizhals.de/ is a very good price comparison tool
yea would probably be best
but considering everything in europe outside germany, france and uk are pretty much fucked for stuff like this it probably won't be available
yea
yea
what do you have to pay more?
oh
nice
feral jolt
Yeah I'm a fan of my ultrawide however I'd likely buy a 4k monitor if I was buying one now
pale sigil
for me its im lazy
and dont like moving my mouse much
oh
i just joined and read dpi
lol
i literally just read "main benefit of higher dpi to me, outside of gaming"
oops
300?
thats so cheap
34" ultrawide
also imo 1080p is throwing money away
Its why i avoided anm ultrawide for some time
ashen spindle
For the games you can just downscale if the gpu has issues, dobt get a 1080p ultrawide
ashen spindle
Just use sharpening or whatever the amd equivalent is and you’re good for the most part
pale sigil
most games i play allow render scale to be reduced
without changing the overall res
works pretty fine
What gpu do you have
you will deffo have to make tweats
tweaks
My 1070ti most of the time is fine but higher games i have to tweak
to geet 144fps
if you're just bothered about 60
you be gud
144hz
benefits in everything
dear god
my eyes bleed at 60hz now
even just using OS
i used to be the same
i used to argue this too, used to say its overated af
but my god, i cant go back now..
its like an addiction.
Gud
1080p is literally as good as burning money infront of you.
just copy/paste into mods folder
using the texture pack provided is highly suggested
You just cant go back can you?
loud hemlock
Same here with a 1050ti as well
ashen spindle
I got the PG34Q and while it’s „just“ 100hz it’s amazing, seeing as this is basically the big big brother, that should be a really nice monitor
zenith sonnet
Oh right, forgot to add:
It needs to have pixel/display response times of 6ms or less with an overdrive setting that covers 60-144Hz at least without observable overshoot
So, that's either as fast as LG's new NanoIPS or via adaptive overdrive
ashen spindle
well, they will go done when the next halo product comes
unless they hit a magic success during manufacturing that makes it cheaper to produce, yea not many will be made for these things
fickle ore
can't get excited about IPS tech
:F
old tech just iterations and with a price tag of 3k for decade old tech, I just dont see it
did you say that wristrest has 20 euro shipperino
damn I wanted that
yeah IPS has obvious flaws, alot of them. I don't see how iterating the tech somehow increases the price to 3k when IPS panels have been sold for 300-500$ in the 32" bracket
haha 😛
yeah no worries, it'd be just extra work for you
haha 😄
call Jimm's to stock them 😮
spice portal
Speaking of co-ordering wrist rests… If anyone in Scania/Skåne would like to split shipping cost, I’d be happy to do that…
zenith sonnet
IPS tech caught up to TN in response times. That's something
Contrast could still be better
IPS glow could be less
Otherwise, it's breddy gud
old marlin
It doesn't have a potentiometer
And if it wanted one you can just hook it up to the teensy
Btw they are the most common for hand soldered keyboards
And through hole pcbs
old marlin
new windows phone was announced 
reef patrol
fair gull
wouldnt call it windows phone
fair gull
@old marlin well it cant do calls natively tho
thats what windows 8 mobile was for
would just call it portable win10 arm tbh
with some third party voice call apps
safe patrol
you know... I'm pretty sure that the Sherbet documentation is open source :P
modify and build your own 😛
old marlin
@prisma crag you mean like windows 10 X
old marlin
can't be worse than some anime that run atm
vast moss
I don’t watch a lot of anime, but that’s probably right
reef patrol
"market research"
old marlin
at least not a 5Q or whatever their new ones are called
with romer g Gamma zulu switches
?
did they copy realforce?
oh lol
realforce did it first
their first keyboard was a rubberdome
over membrane
Key Tronic E03600
but in black
das keyboard 2 is mech
G80-3000
with POM caps
well they turned fro ma no bullshit board into the ultimate gimmick board
maybe they changed who makes decision in the company
not even that
gamers do't need those features
and the worst modern switch
it is the same as the romer g switch
Omoron B3K
fickle ore
you're right Tino. Macros feel like something you need but most likely you won't bother lol
Good programming habits also reduce the need for macros. It's partly designers fault aswell
Some games are so badly made they benefit from macro usage
Good example is Archeage
or BDO
yup :<
Both BDO and Archeage have animation speed tied to FPS, and internet ping delays your attack speed. There are no compensation methods, like input buffering (queuing actions) to execute them instantly, etc
So macros alleviate the ping delay from that equation, by spamming the key faster than you could
True. But they are PvP games, so it should be important
latent mural
reef patrol
True. I read those too. No need for a long video if I can digest in seconds.
zenith mirage
Apologies if this is dumb question, but does this mean the memory is currently running at 3200mhz? Because I could have sworn i set it at 3000mhz for this round of testing
zenith mirage
Yeah, they are
I just wondered if it was just showing their max speed rather than their actual speed
reef patrol
No idea. Never paid attention to the UI in memtests. A quick glance at the BIOS would træk You.
zenith mirage
Okay so update, it says its running at 3200mhz in the BIOS (unless I'm reading this wrong) but displays as 1600mhz in Windows. Only looked at task manager, but unless thats lying then I'm not sure what's happened
CPU info here is right so I can only assume the memory info is too right?
Idk
reef patrol
Yep
zenith mirage
alrighty
well, it's running smoothly so i'm a happy boy
CPU, memory and GPU done today. Never really had any success with overclocking before so this feels pretty good
now we wait for it to crash 
reef patrol
zenith sonnet
I don't feel like 'inventing' cut, copy, paste is something worth mentioning...
It's just a good idea, not really an invention
halcyon moss
I don't agree
zenith sonnet
It's nothing extraordinary. If not him, a million other people would have come up with that small workflow optimisation
dapper ridge
or so you believe
ashen spindle
zen2 scales really well till 3800
ashen spindle
well, 3600 on all, 3800 if you get an IF clock of 1900 to be stable
zenith sonnet
Mine only does 1833 🙁
But 14-13-13-21 timings at least
Bit outdated and poorly done
You'll see bigger gains if you get good memory
Sailboat tax?
vast moss
ah yes, the sailboat tax
thick elk
From what I have seen corsair is not really that expensive in memory. Sure you have other brands that offer better value and and crucial with their rev-e is hard to beat but over all they are not terribly pricedon memory.
ashen spindle
there are cheap corsair modules that are great, or crucial if you want micron's rev-e, just need to know what you want and it's somewhat easy to get
samsung d die is quite good and cheap if you dont go into super OC
thick elk
Looking even at stock local prices for 16gb and at least ddr4 3000 there is at least a 10 euro gap between the cheapest crucial rev-e and the closest probably hynix kit.
So at least in the Netherlands prices of rev-e are hard to beat right now.
ashen spindle
micron makes the memory, not crucial
and for 3000 with 2x8 I can find like 10 different kits from 66-78euro with no clue what type they are
bc it honestly doesnt really matter at those speeds
old marlin
why would ANY laptop need 2 330W psus
even the high end alienware "ONLY" has one and a 180W one
and that comes with a desktop 9900k and desktop 2080
both overclockable
reef patrol
More OC headroom 😁
They can get closer to desktop clocks and need more power with these chunky models.
old marlin
the alienware does desktop clocks
even can do all core 5.0 ghz
provided if your chip is decent
symmetry would be a reason I guess
but those PSUs aren't cheap
aftermarket from dell is ~160
from delta ~100
old marlin
weeeeell
dapper ridge
I enjoy mine
old marlin
current gen roccat is good
kain clicks are insanely good
better than anything else tbh
g303 comes close
market goes away from big and bulky mice
even the deathadder got a massive weight reduction
other than mice that are made for nostalgia
the kain is actually kind of unusual
I am sure they would have reduced weight and height more if they could
but it already is optimized a lot in both regards
cedar glen
I miss my old roccat kone, got a roccat tyon to replace it 2 years ago and its left click stopped working after a year, got a replacement and it failed too x_x
old marlin
rip
pale sigil
Seems nvidia are getting into adware now
fallow bison
creep much
wheat plume
Microsoft Store.....oh ffs Nvidia
ashen spindle
yeah lets rail on nvidia for following what microsoft is pushing out
cedar glen
Anyone remember when nVidia force pushed an (out of date) driver update through windows auto update, made it impossible to block and overwrite any other drivers you might have installed, even newer ? My GTX 780 that burned as a direct result of the faulty out of date driver (that pushed its vrm too high) remembers.
Needless to say I'm not fond of nVidia pushing stuff through windows anymore
ashen spindle
its still not nvidias fault jfc
ashen spindle
your case, yes, sounds like nvidias fault, but microsoft pushing everyone to use dch is not nvidias decision
cedar glen
I hadn't noticed the vrm going up, for obvious reasons
and it just turned off during a skyrim session
when rebooting the fans were spinning normally, it wasn't overheat
zenith sonnet
AMD drivers have always been great to me
At least as long as I can remember back
In detail
ashen spindle
how can a driver even do that, shouldn't stuff like that be managed by the vbios on the card?
cedar glen
ditto, that was my first and last nvidia card
zenith sonnet
Driver overrides vbios
cedar glen
luckily it was under warranty so I had it replaced
zenith sonnet
Otherwise it would not be possible to change fan settings through the driver at all
ashen spindle
that makes no sense, why would you need a vbios update then if drivers overwrite it
cedar glen
ATIs and AMDs
I had no monies back then to afford a rage but yeah I was using the cheap amd stuff :p
back when we called em video cards
:boomer:
ashen spindle
zenith sonnet
I think the only Nvidia card I briefly owned since the 8800 GT was a 970, but I'm not sure if there wasn't anything inbetween
Sold it and got a 380X
How so?
zenith sonnet
5000 series is quite competitive
They just don't have any big dies out
Probably gonna come back with RDNA2
ashen spindle
just like nvidia is waiting for that to know how to price their cards to knock amd out again, sadly
zenith sonnet
It's not like their arch is bad
ashen spindle
I just hope amd or intel get something really competetive going, the whole package, hardware and software I mean, so we have a similar situation as the cpu market with better options
zenith sonnet
RDNA beats Turing in perf/billion transistors, price/perf and can keep up in perf/watt
It's not that bad, really
ashen spindle
yeah because performance per transistor is a metric everyone cares about
the 5600xt launch mess should show that rtg is still quite mess lol
zenith sonnet
If it actually were a massive misstep, it would have
But turns out, people didn't care any more after a week
Only MSI fucked up with their usual 'put in cheaper components and save a buck'
This is actually the first time I heard about it again after the initial reporting
The cards work, everything's good
ashen spindle
how is that msi's fault when amd gave them a lower power concept they designed stuff after
amd panicked and made the release a total mess
after they even acted as if they "jebaited" nvidia with the 5700 pricing
ashen spindle
panicking is not being creative
zenith sonnet
I don't really care
ashen spindle
they didnt plan on releasing the stronger vbios
zenith sonnet
Is it panic? I find that card to believe. It's very much a calculated risk.
ashen spindle
releasing a bios after cards are already shipped is not a calculated risk, you're expecting an average pc guy to flash vbios on a gpug? that is panic
because the card was DoA without the better bios
cedar glen
Amd still competes in mid tier, as long as I don't need high tier stuff I don't see why i'd go for Nvidia and their abusive pricing
The super series is a testament to how much they were overcharging people : rerelease the same stuff at the price of the tier below...
ashen spindle
oh yeah definitely, hence my comment I really want to see some competition, so we'd get the super series on release basically
it just that sadly amd also has issues at mid tier, driver issues over the entire stack, the mentioned 5600xt release fiasco etc.
ashen spindle
no it's microsoft's bullshit
fickle ore
isn't AMD 5700XT better than equivalent from NVIDIA side at the same €€?
pale sigil
i never said it was nvidia
just said its bullshit
i have to selecct my OS disk too
which means it fucks with games
ashen spindle
wait what how does that fuck with your games
cedar glen
@fickle ore it is yeah
pale sigil
because windows doesn't let you select the drive to install a game too
you have to select the actual default location in settings
Xbox games
cedar glen
Hell I got a vega 56 that gives the rtx 2060 super a run for it's money and it cost me 250 euros new
Especially in vr
ashen spindle
err no you can definitely install them elsewhere, I definitely didnt install sea of thieves on C lol
cedar glen
@pale sigil windows asks you where to install each uwp game before you start the download unless you set a default
fickle ore
ye thats what I thought.. So basically better than Nvidia. I dont even know anyone who buys 500+€ graphic cards
pale sigil
but since the last big update
i always had to choose one default drive
i literally have to apply the location
its bs
now all my games are not working
ashen spindle
erm, given that 2060 super had the same msrp as the 56 means you got an insanely good deal, that doesn't really count
pale sigil
VR is fine on 2060
ashen spindle
vr is quite a broad spectrum, for beat saber its more than enough
pale sigil
i used 1070 for a long time ein vr
only game i had issues with was fallout 4 vr
vr
but that cos it was trash
dcs?
ashen spindle
ehh they dont have eye tracking in the index so supporting a feature only really present in the vive wouldn't make much sense as a selling point
im more mad that they didn't go with a VR link cable after they even joined the group to create that standard
zenith sonnet
What's that Nvidia control panel bullshit?
I don't get it?
Why does it need to go through the Windows app store
ashen spindle
its the control panel you set monitor settings, 3d settings, etc. in
microsoft is pushing for changes as to what a driver install can contain, so nvidia is moving it to the windows store instead
amd hasn't done it most likely because their software team is a bit slower
or maybe microsoft will change their mind and it will go back idk
zenith sonnet
We'll see
As long as Microsoft allows the creation of offline accounts, there'll be complete installers
ashen spindle
no offical ones
zenith sonnet
I'll worry about it when AMD gets there
For now, it doesn't look like there'll be any changes
ashen spindle
the base idea behind it is nice, to have a driver install be a driver not driver + bloatware
but not having your control center with the install is just more confusing for users
cedar glen
wait so you're saying because a single VR game doesn't work on a GPU that makes the GPU not suitable for VR?
fair gull
single vr game doesnt run on gpu? well gpu must be a wirstrest not a real gpu
cedar glen
better buy a titan x
fickle ore
fucking word sucks ass
cedar glen
word bruda
ashen spindle
if you get close to that titan edition you can smell the leather
zenith sonnet
How the hell do I calculate the proper FOV for a game?
ashen spindle
to fix it I'd first need to know what even is broken there, idk those words
oh, you've set it to be an even line and not left-alligned
uhh try making it a hyperlink? maybe it then knows it can break it anywhere
zenith sonnet
Looks like I'm finally putting my VII to good use
Not even a 2080 Ti would run my Skyrim now
zenith sonnet
Never heard about that technique @prisma crag
What program do you use to mash the frames?
I get up to 250 FPS in Skyrim, if I lift the framerate cap
But at over 13 GiB vram usage
ashen spindle
idk even motion blur with accumulation isn't somethig I want, object motion blur or none
zenith sonnet
Me neither. I want crisp images.
It ought to add at least 2-3 frames of lag, too
- Collecting the frames instead of displaying them
- Processing them into a new frame
- Pushing them into a new framebuffer
- Inherent lag from lower FPS
ashen spindle
no not really if you have constant high fps
ashen spindle
unless your display is 60hz only anyway
zenith sonnet
Then you still lose
300FPS on a 60Hz display is better than 60FPS
Like 5ms less lag
ashen spindle
ok if you don't use a gsynch or freesynch monitor I guess, which I assumed is the case if we're that into improving everything
zenith sonnet
You can get extremely stable FPS, so you could pair it with backlight strobing instead of VRR
ashen spindle
and you get tearing, nice
zenith sonnet
So, there's no way to make this good?
ashen spindle
erm yes there is, by not assuming every single game is quake, I'd wager Locke isn't cutting his fps by 1/5 in a game like that
so you get a nice look with "worse" delay that you dont notice
pale sigil
Lol, was playing Apex yesterday.... it was so bad, i was crying and had a headache cos of stutter etc
Then i remembered i re installed my drivers and control panel
turned out my monitor was set to 60hz
Thats how bad 60hz is too a 144hz pleb @digital cliff
It causes literal discomfort and pain
oh
idk
must be someone else
i was thinking of
someone said 144hz is not necessary
ah
well
the pain
of 60hz is real
runic geyser
@pale sigil I play on GeForce now 360p stutters latency with a 60hz laptop
wheat plume
Solus coming in at 9 :DD
halcyon moss
Linux mint is more popular than ubuntu?
cedar glen
tbh ubuntu is just what people install first, till they decide if they're sticking with ubuntu
wheat plume
Mint was always preferred over Ubuntu
cedar glen
and all top 5 distros for beginners lists out there have linux mint, elemetaryOS and Manjaro in them, with a big fat note of "don't use ubuntu"
cedar glen
^
cedar glen
well errr
wheat plume
Plasma would be better for macOS people since you cna make it it look and feel exactly the same
cedar glen
it looks very similar still, ui wise
cedar glen
it's for beginners, the customization aspect is void
you can make any distro look like macos if you can be arsed to
it's all about the OOBE
wheat plume
the problem is, people go into Linux expecting it to work exactly the same as WIndows
you go online to get software, you need to hunt down drivers
itll work the same with the same layout
if you really want to switch to Linux, you need to understand that it is an entirely different thing to windows
that you willl need to be happy to accept a new workflow
and new way to install software and things
loud hemlock
+1
wheat plume
There is no point, IMO, to make a distro that tries its best to look and feel like windows
cedar glen
and that you'll spend years hunting down that one bug that baffles you
wheat plume
that just gives potential users false expecations
cedar glen
well again those distros are more like macos than windows anyway
so at least the difference is... smaller?
wheat plume
a lot of plasma desktop users make their desktop layout similar to either mac or Unity desktops
at least from what I see on r/unixporn
halcyon moss
and here i am.. using the almost standard ubuntu gnome shell
(I hid the dock, because fuck docks)
cedar glen
This is gonna make me some enemies, but after trying quite a few distros (from debian to arch, passing by opensuse) I decided to stick to the distro which suited me most
Windows 10 
solar hinge
ow, so they migrated away from win 3.1 😄
cedar glen
I had a dual boot of manjaro for work and w10 for games but then I noticed I was just working on win 10 anyway cause it was a hassle to reboot, plus every time I'd fire up linux I'd be wasting times on updates and fixing my tv connection cause it kept being set to primary display ¯_(ツ)_/¯
plush summit
I really want to just leave windows and go to arc because fuck windows
But from what I'm hearing from the people who have used ark they've had problems where if they don't update ASAP they get fucked
That that point it's kind of your fault so why wouldn't you just run the script at shutdown or whatever to update the system before it shuts down
Could make it part of the shutdown routine
wheat plume
Use Manjaro then
Manjaro is somewhat safer if you dont always update immediately
Or you can tell Pamac to download updates automatically and then you just need to install them
and you dont need to reboot unless its a kernel or drivers
wheat plume
true
but AUR has no official support on Arch too
the Arch Wiki says that it is not suggested to use software from there
wheat plume
huh?
I use the AUR
despite the Arch Wiki saying you should not use it often
or at all really....they said it may not be trustworthy
wheat plume
you need the pckbuild file or something
I am not too sure either but I saw Eric Dubois do it before in a video
plush summit
and what if the package i download doesnt have that
plush summit
exactly
plush summit
can you isntall deb packages on arch?
wheat plume
I notice sometimes during updates it seems to download the deb package and do things to it so it can install from it
I saw .deb show up in the terminal a lot
plush summit
i was told ther was a way
wheat plume
if pacman can do it im sure there is a way
crimson wigeon
Well all those packages are just glorified archives so you can just extract the files from them and stuff
plush summit
but how do you make an install package
fair gull
id use aimp even on linux but am on windows
old marlin
tbh if youtube music didn't randomly block songs and audio quality would be better that would be by far the best choice for me
I listen to too much obscure stuff
partially only available on youtube and a very rare vinyl
well the audio files I could get would usually be youtube rips
so I don't even bother looking for a player for those
I usually go the downloading in streaming services route
yea can give it to you later when I am home
btw just saw the xperia 1 II
why tf is it 1200 euros
like it is a nice phone
but it doesn't have any standout features
except a 21:9 screen
which isn't enough of a feature
yea
not sure if that is a feature tbh
more of a requirement
understandable
also rn is a weird time to announce a phone
unless it is 100% made in japan or something
which would explain the price
fair gull
@old marlin never had a problem with yt music quality or blocking songs
i mean its the only source i use for shit i havent ripped myself
old marlin
quality has the same problems as usual on youtube
like one channel being louuder
not so great bitrate
and depending on what you are listening you get a playlist where half of the songs don't work in music
because they aren't regarded as music randomly
fair gull
like i said never had problems
old marlin
like even playlists of OSTs
fair gull
well yes the bitrate isnt the best
but the rest i literally never experienced
to be fair i dont listen to anything thats not available on cd or vynil
so usually its on yt by the label that published the songs
the only problems are some eurobeat cds
but i have bought those by now so i use aimp to listen to those
cedar glen
I still use my sony walkman at times but the 8gb storage makes it pointless
it's just for when I don't want to carry my good phone in shoddy neighbourhoods
old marlin
I don't see what sense they make
other than a better DAC and AMP than what my phone has
maybe
well I have a phone already
and they MAY be an improvement
cedar glen
wasn't the clip the one that you could more easily mod to add more storage?
I couldn't find anywhere in france
drove me nuts
only second hand now
I mean it was hard enough to find back when it was relevant
and then there was the sansa clip+ which came with a card reader off the bat
a second hand fiio x1 II seems to go for around 60€
that might actually be worth it, for 128 gb
inb4 making your own player using a raspi case and a mini screen
ashen spindle
https://www.igorslab.de/warum-die-leistungssteigerung-von-nvidias-ampere-durchaus-gewaltig-sein-koennte-die-boardpartner-muessen-bereits-jetzt-in-die-uebungsphase-igorslab-investigativ/ interresting, guess that means we might get a 2080ti super perhaps as last release before ampere
english tl;dr: nvidia working with boardmakers to alter the process of drilling holes for increased data throughput, which changes more than just the drill size so they are testing it now before using it on big ampere
zenith sonnet
There's a rumour that it'll be 50% faster at 50% less power
But general consensus is that it's probably only about RTX
ashen spindle
yea no that one is bullshit
zenith sonnet
Gunna be interesting to see RDNA2 and Ampere fight it out
ashen spindle
comes from people applying scaling from the 7nm node to 1to1 performance increases
zenith sonnet
And if they got 16 GiB models I might even upgrade my VII
ashen spindle
there are somewhat believeable rumours that top ampere might have even higher
but not hbm2 ofc
latent mural
honestly if their was one wire i'd like to get rid of it's the mouse wire
I hate the tension
I'm abit old fashioned though and scared of wireless tech
ashen spindle
the g pro wireless is mouse that convinced me we're finally at a good point with wireless tech for mice
not saying its perfect or anything like that
but the options are there now
latent mural
@fickle ore what is that one? wire looks really thin
fickle ore
its 36 or 38 awg 4 wire braided cable
it's like this but smaller awg and all 4 wires are same color
latent mural
that wire looks thicker
ashen spindle
ye my guess too
latent mural
GAH MOUSE ARE LIKE SKITTLE U GOT TO TRY THEM ALL
where as keyboard it's easier to just have one good one like a Lekker and not feel the need to have multiple
latent mural
I'm buying it
ashen spindle
yes big marketing fluff
still cave
damn
latent mural
looks way better aesthetically than PS5
ashen spindle
wouldnt be surprised if they even added the HW raytraycing into that number
latent mural
like it was designed for adults not kids
ashen spindle
but we dont even know the look of the ps5 yet?
zenith sonnet
Well, 5700 XT is 10.6 TFLOPs, so it should be at least on par
latent mural
IDK if i should buy XBOX X when I own a 2080
ashen spindle
if you own a pc there is no reason imo
latent mural
but if it's the last console generation maybe i should?
latent mural
true
ashen spindle
so xbox really doesnt make sense for anyone with a pc imo
latent mural
I may wait for Nintendo Switch 2
I haven't owned a Nintendo console in years
childhood memories and all that
ashen spindle
thatll be long time till that is out
latent mural
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild looked nice
ashen spindle
also good chance it'll be a flop, nintendo likes to alternate between good an terrible releases lmao
still cave
i dont have a reason to buy another console
ashen spindle
like the wii u
still cave
the switch 2 will probably just be a more powerful switch with maybe bigger joycons
latent mural
i like the xbox x verticle design, more PC cases should be like that
I can't wait for AMD big Navi
I'll sell my 2080 for one
ashen spindle
... without knowing what it even does?
with ampere coming out a month after or so?
latent mural
dunno i like to keep up with the latest technology im one of those guys that upgrades his GPU every 2 years
ashen spindle
so why not wait a month, or do you plan to upgrade 2 months later again if ampere is better?
latent mural
I will wait it's not like big navi is even released
ashen spindle
I mean its not my money but it seems smarter to wait for both options to be there to decide
latent mural
depends how long the wait is after big navi is out
i wont wait a year but i will wait a couple of month
ashen spindle
well given that it looks like it did 2 years ago with turing
its expected that ampere will be show next month at gtc or siggraph
then go to data center & co first
so probably similar launch date as turing was
latent mural
AMD need to get it's shit together on gpu side
ashen spindle
with big navi we dont really know aside from it not coming Q1, most likely info on the amd tech day, iirc thats also next month
so a release in summer could work for them and give them like 2 months before ampere
my bet is that it will be on 7/7 again for marketing
ashen spindle
well they dont have a record which I guess puts them about where amd is with their shaky recent drivers lol
also I doubt we will see Xe this year, at least not in a high end area for gaming
zenith sonnet
AMD's drivers aren't shaky, lol
latent mural
they have been recently but they were fine for Vega
ashen spindle
sure whatever not gonna get into that discussion with you now
there are still people who have issues with vega, that was known and is still a thing but no longer listed as known issues
latent mural
I owned a vega for 8 months and it was a great experience
before navi even released
zenith sonnet
Been having a great time with mine, too
zenith sonnet
Wow, one guy made the fail
latent mural
only reason i went with nvidia this gen was tdp
ashen spindle
jesus christ im not listing every person who has that issue
im posting the person who pointed that out
which was retweeted by someone with the same issues with his vea
pale sigil
ashen spindle
yeah ok or you do the same at the pc you have
what even are the games that are still xbox only
cedar glen
well any console exclusives, too
ashen spindle
okay my bad, I meant xbox only as in also not on playstation
because now you get every new xbox "exclusive" just over xbox pass or windows store too
uhh but outside japan both are the same
cedar glen
because now you get every new xbox "exclusive" just over xbox pass or windows store too
That doesn't apply to xbox 360 games tho
they're not adding those retroactively
ashen spindle
ok I dont know how we got here because the original point was buying the new xbox when you already have a pc
fair gull
wait arent nier replicant and gestalt the same
except for like main char design and the yonah relationship
cedar glen
I hope you're not calling the xbox one x "the new xbox "
ashen spindle
nonono
fair gull
but both were released outside of jap aswell
cedar glen
cause that was the starting point of the convo
ashen spindle
it started with the talk about the specs of the new xbox coming out
cedar glen
main reason to get an xbox one x is for the emulation that microsoft poured asstons of money into
not the series x
D:
fair gull
so the next xbox will be xbox series x hd
fair gull
but the people with xXx_NAME_xXx_hd1080pNoScope
cedar glen
then bump that up to 16k, one for each eye
I am SO glad we're already at the same point we're at with shows streaming sites in game streaming
Aka each service having its own exclusives and making the customers run away
(referring to blizzard pulling out its games from gefarce now)
ashen spindle
activision went out because they only had a deal during beta, they didnt not say they are out forever
most likely just renegotiating
cedar glen
@ashen spindle temporarily or not, this and bethesda doing the same should scare off people
Although at least with gefarce you own the games
zenith sonnet
Oh, read Bethesda pulled out of Geforce Now, too
crimson wigeon
Yeah I don't get why they are pulling out of it
Does anyone have a good reason to pull out of genow?
ashen spindle
yes end of beta and contracts only were made for that timeframe
crimson wigeon
That's not a good reason that's just a dick move
ashen spindle
no that legal requirement
zenith sonnet
There's still no information whatsoever why the publishers are not renewing the contracts with Nvidia
My guess is that they want revenue, and Nvidia doesn't want to pay
Essentially, Nvidia is earning money with their work, so they need to licence that usecase
fair gull
found a video for @wheat plume https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAFMJ1LnQu8
plush summit
it just works
cedar glen
Lmao imagine a stadia like service ran by bethesda
They'd prolly find a way to run it off the gamebryo engine
@crimson wigeon my bet is stadia is willing to pay for exclusivity, or maybe another upcoming service is
Either way live streaming by bethesda is not something I'd even consider
ashen spindle
nah im pretty sure they just didn't like nvidia taking the current deal and extending it to release, they dont have the funds to do it themself
pale sigil
Oh man
We got a smart meter
And it’s scary seeing how much it costs to run a computer and monitors
zenith sonnet
Dude, stop mining/crunching/folding
zenith sonnet
Time for more napkin math:
5700 XT has 9.6 TFLOPS, new Xbox has 12
Assuming no generational/architectural benefits, that chip should easily be on par with a 2080 Super
zenith sonnet
Believe what?
pale sigil
yes
old marlin
well it will be the very high end model
zenith sonnet
How so?
pale sigil
its a console
old marlin
and they didn't say shit about the price yet, right?
it is a known fact that there well be more than just one new xbox
zenith sonnet
12 TFLOPS, 8x Zen 2 cores, RDNA2 with HW accelerated RT are confirmed specs
old marlin
well yea
pale sigil
i think the price range was likee rumored to be $500
old marlin
true
old marlin
was also true for the xbox one x
pale sigil
buy a console for that much
old marlin
there will be more than one
pale sigil
i would rather have the freedom i have right now
zenith sonnet
It's essentially a prebuilt PC at this point with a locked down Win 10
old marlin
basically
pale sigil
Which is why
old marlin
so was the xbox one though
old marlin
the one x was pretty good for the price
pale sigil
tho tbh if you could stream from it at 4k
old marlin
in comparison to a pc
old marlin
but it is so damn limited
zenith sonnet
Consoles are loss leader, usually
I doubt Microsoft will charge a premium for the hardware
pale sigil
for somee
old marlin
well they want to cut losses for sure
zenith sonnet
They get that with years upon years of subscriptions
pale sigil
ye
old marlin
so they won't make it too cheap
zenith sonnet
Anyway, it also means that AMD has a 12 TFLOPS (11 if they included the CPU in the figure) RDNA 2 design complete that's at least competitive with the 2080 Super
We don't know the actual size, but since it's for consoles, it won't be large
They should easily be able to design one that's significantly larger
Or it'll be MCM GPUs?
old marlin
they had a bigger polaris chip as well
just because they have it doesn't mean they release it
zenith sonnet
Gonna be interesting soon
old marlin
hopefully
zenith sonnet
They need to announce something next month
ashen spindle
It’s an apu not a discrete gpu so please just stop your absurd ideas about it beating a 2080 super
pale sigil
^
ashen spindle
I really don’t get how you can look at so much data and just forget all logic when it comes to amd products
halcyon moss
12 flops is more than a RTX 2080RTX
zenith sonnet
I've little reason to assume it scales so poorly it's worse than RDNA FLOP for FLOP
ashen spindle
It’s a good damn apu for a console
Price, yield, powerdraw
Logical thinking as in look where they announced it. You think if they got something that amazing they wouldn’t focus more on it instead of praising that they got an SSD now?
reef patrol
Having SSDs in consoles is a generation late tbh.
They had a chance to do this proper with the X and Pro models.
old marlin
yup
ashen spindle
Yesnt
It would’ve increased the price and Sony undercut them by a 100 already, wouldn’t be surprised if they just wanted to avoid that to be an even bigger gap
old marlin
well sony apparently has a struggle with price as well
although that info is relayed by bloomberg, no idea how accurate that will be
ashen spindle
Yea but they will still be the „winner“ of this console war imo
old marlin
not neccessarily
reef patrol
I mentioned BOTH consoles makers though
ashen spindle
Because Xbox making different tiers leads to dev making games for lower end console to get more customers obviously, so even if the ps5 is not as strong as the better Xbox, the games will be made with better hardware as a target
Well the same goes for Sony, they wanted to undercut the price and an ssd would’ve lowered the difference from the otherwise
old marlin
well you don't know yet hhow similar the consoles will be hardware wise
and how simple microsoft will make it for devs
it could be that both versions use an architecture similar enough so that performance scales on both with optimizing
ashen spindle
Doesn’t matter, its not like they can magically make a framework that can target both if you optimize for one
Sure some games will optimize it or ignore the lower spec version
hardy idol
hahaha
pathetic
when you can't sell the Kraken M22, just include it into your next product
😂
noone wants that piece of crap
I would buy the case, without the PSU because I'd probably go with Corsair SFX and a better cooler lol
yes what the fuck
we want another USB-A
pale sigil
hardy idol
?
pale sigil
im gonna drive myself mad
we got an electric meter and with it a little wireless smart display
1.97 per hour
reee
its at 32p an hour rn
zenith mirage
Yeah, we've spent so much time recently on the phone with the power companies
Or waiting for them to do some shit with our accounts
zenith mirage
Well level, our landlord has apparently not paid in like 3 years
zenith mirage
Great
zenith mirage
Nah
pale sigil
was going to say
zenith mirage
It's weird
pale sigil
thats fucked
zenith mirage
So he's dealing people who were here before, who haven't been paying
But all the while he's been telling us that we can't set up a contract until he's done, which has been a lie
Which we only found out recently
pale sigil
Oh i see
pale sigil
hardly fair on you
zenith mirage
Just depends who I owe them to
zenith mirage
Not at all
pale sigil
im sure you're covered
zenith mirage
Nah, we'd only be paying for stuff we used
Yeah, it's an odd one so we'll see how it plays out
pale sigil
im a bit confused
zenith mirage
You and me both
zenith mirage
Yes
pale sigil
you guys moved in
zenith mirage
Yes
pale sigil
and havee been paying since?
zenith mirage
We haven't paid any power for like 2 years
zenith mirage
It's only recently when somebody came around and threatened to turn it off coz we weren't paying
We had no idea
zenith mirage
Every time we asked he said it was chill
zenith mirage
I mean this guy owns multiple places, we thoughhe knew better
pale sigil
one of those life lessons
zenith mirage
I'd rather we pay more than take his money tbh
zenith mirage
So be it
pale sigil
how much is rent
pale sigil
wait
zenith mirage
Which is stupidly cheap for this area
pale sigil
300 in total
zenith mirage
That would be stupidly cheap
pale sigil
Nice
zenith mirage
Honestly we're so lucky
Every other flat in much worse condition is at least 100 more
zenith mirage
Yeah, he's like some old school guy, just really laid back about this stuff
I like him but man does he fumble so many things
Like this power bill mainly 
pale sigil
xD
zenith mirage
crimson wigeon
that ping though
fair gull
faster than light
zenith mirage
WiFi speeds when on the sofa. Went from like 1mpb/s where I used to live
This is a blessing
0.1Mbps, that's the upload I used to get. Shit hurt back then
fair gull
zenith mirage
zenith mirage
Yeah it took me moving 3 times, dropping out of uni twice, getting and losing 4 jobs and spending a few thousand pounds to get this speed
Was it worth it?
Dunno
fair gull
im spending 20bucks a month lol
altho the next line im getting
which should be here the next few months
costs 120
fibre
1gig down 500mbit up
fair gull
yep
ashen spindle
fttb?
zenith mirage
That sounds pretty spicy
ashen spindle
nice
crimson wigeon
Yeah FTTH is pretty nice
pale sigil
@digital cliff @zenith mirage HOLY SHIT that latency
fair gull
u have 0ms and wanger has 100+
pale sigil
that was totally my intention tagging them both
fair gull
its 0 casuse its too fast
pale sigil
@zenith mirage that ping is bad
pale sigil
zenith sonnet
What are you, a jester?
pale sigil
i dont get it
zenith sonnet
111 999
pale sigil
still dont get it
zenith sonnet
wheat plume
Faster than mine still
Except ping
Your ping is worse
Oh wow ;_;
I don't get Ireland
We don't have fiber in rural areas but they take great pride in providing fiber for a freaking island on the Irish coast
Every house on the island has fiber and they also get it from cheaper
timid chasm
A woman today told me her gpu has no problem doing 4k...
She. Has. A. G. T. X. 9. 6. 0.
crimson wigeon
Well that entirely depends on what it's used for
old marlin
Yea it runs doom just fine 
timid chasm
I thought yeah it'll run a desktop resolution of 4k, I guess
old marlin
german office for security in IT wants to force smartphoen manufacturers to give 5 years of software support
let's hope that goes somewhere
reef patrol
Is that not a thing as is?
old marlin
nope
reef patrol
Could have sworn the iPhone 5s of all things is still receiving updates, and Apple are among the worst.
old marlin
many manufacturers abandon their phones after two or three years
apple is among the best actually
reef patrol
old marlin
like the only that beat them in that regard are windows phones
and well
they are kinda dead now
long term software support on android is basically only good for google phones and a few others
mostly android one devices
ashen spindle
Yup big part of why I have an iPhone, still having a 6s and it has the newest software
old marlin
they only specify security updates
but let's hope it gets extended to general system updates
thick elk
Or if you are willing to go the custom rom route Generally I am one major version behind (still on 9) but I do get the latest security updates rather quickly.
As for general bugginess project trebble has helped a lot here.
old marlin
it depends on the manufacturer