What about hard pagefaults?
#🔌│tech
fickle ore
that wdf0101 which gives you ISR latency was afaik some shitty microsoft service u can disable
then you're pretty good
although your kernel max spikes really hard, probably due to some bad drivers/amount of devices
ashen spindle
https://i.gyazo.com/fe3e9f1004fb4e1ce99c093758c01565.png so I guess mine is fine too?
fickle ore
nope
ISR latency = legacy mdoe
your nvidia, and audio is in legacy mode
isr count should be 0
ashen spindle
okay sure but it's below 0.2 ms in worst case so it doesn't actually change anything or how am I supposed to read the execution time
fickle ore
highest execution time are the spikes yeah
imagine if all your devices used 0.2ms it adds up real quick, then if the game uses 90% CPU
thats how you get microstutters
ashen spindle
sure but im not even at .7ms with everything in the list and I don't plan on adding 50usb keyboards or anything, I get that it might matter if I would add more but if I now just game/browse/whatever it doesn't matter, right?
fickle ore
shrug, you do what you want 😛
ashen spindle
just trying to understand what it changes before I change something :p
fickle ore
that wdf01000 was some service I disabled, so you can get that to 0 aswell, if you really want to minmax
forgot though
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore Haven't yet found out exactly what it is, just that you apparently shouldn't touch wdf01000.sys
Dunno why, either
fickle ore
eh they always say you shouldnt touch services, but arent we advanced users
you have backup right? 😄
ashen spindle
pfft you know very well backup is something for intermediate-users only :p
zenith sonnet
Yeah! We use common sense here!
old marlin
just run everything on raid 60 to reduce probability of data loss
ashen spindle
and daily online backups
old marlin
not trolling
any kind of backup is better than none
even if it is on an unreliable drive
ashen spindle
50% trolling, online backups can be nice, doesnt have to be daily ofc
old marlin
and you can go to far
well still better than no backup if that is a concern
for me at home I REALY don't give a shit about backups
since I am a windows user my pc is fully set up within half an hour
if I have a functional drive again
btw who tf thought it was a good idea to put the ram slots on the underside of a rackmounted workstation?
I think you misunderstood 
if I had a second drive it would basically only be games
and steam etc do pretty well with using all that again
I don't have to reinstall a lot of software which would be necessary for my usual workflow
true
in my mentality windows is more of a "just works" thing in comparison to linux
although I would switch to linux if game devs wouldn't be stupid
oof
never had that win 10
and I had more than just a handful installs
well if you don't wanna run any software that requires windows that is no problem
lol
well I hope denuvo dies, cause that would end gaming on linux at the rate it is going
old marlin
just voting with your wallet doesn't work unfortunatley
for every person that does that there are more than just 10 that don't give a fuck about it
pale sigil
Till was completely buggered in the shop I was just in
Taking 20 years for per item to add to the list
Someone said it could be the Internet
zenith sonnet
Do they lack the intelligence to care? Have they been trained not to care?
pale sigil
And I just face palmed
old marlin
usually the former
people that don't even know what denuvo is
or don't care because they just wanna play the game
pale sigil
Well
ashen spindle
I didn't give a fuck about denuvo bc I wanted to play bl3 and enjoyed the 100+ hours I already have in it, denuvo doesnt really affect me at all so I dont see a reason to take away that much fun for me to boycott a drm
old marlin
not for games
pale sigil
Yes for games
pale sigil
Battlefront 2, anthem and a bunch of others most likely
old marlin
well that is just called "don't buy bad games for full price"
anthem preorders in the local gamestop were all cancelled
so I could have gotten it for a tenner two days before release
thing is that game especially showed that it won't be good
pale sigil
Oh and fallout 76
old marlin
oh yea
pale sigil
All down to making a stand
old marlin
@digital cliff same and I kinda regretted it
pale sigil
I never pay full price
zenith sonnet
Are people still playing BL3? I still hear a lot more about BL2 than BL3
old marlin
yea maybe when the dlcs are out and are decent and not overpriced
bl2 has more replay value to me
or tps tbh
zenith sonnet
I liked TPS
pale sigil
Ye I preferred bl2
old marlin
characters are worse imo
as in the skills
they want to introduce a 4th tree for every char
but I doubt that they will be as muhc fun
most of the skills were, even when not broken, useless
too little impact
bad skill descriptions too
a lot of stuff had non mentioned cooldowns
which were nerfed without much notice
the final skills had so little impact that almost no good built actually used them
in most cases they just specced for one specific skill or pick the lesser evil to get the skill augments
crimson wigeon
Denuvo is evil sure like all DRM but unless you're using swapping a lot of hardware you probably won't notice it
(insert le hurts performance meme here which may or may not be truth)
ashen spindle
sometimes is, sometimes not, dunno how it is for bl3
old marlin
the bl3 version is the worst one
zenith sonnet
There seems to be conclusive evidence that it hurts performance significantly
zenith sonnet
Lots of games that ran a lot better after being cracked
old marlin
or having denuvo removed
the list of the games that had that was removed from wikipedia btw
ashen spindle
well yeah its tmk impossible to run at the same performance, but it matters if it's 50% or .5% lower fps or whatever
zenith sonnet
Except the Batman game. That ran so poorly it didn't make a dent :p
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
yea I know it was a gigantic improvement for like doom or so, but it's not the same on every game
old marlin
yea
zenith sonnet
Dunno why publishers adore it so much
old marlin
uhh yea
zenith sonnet
Doubt any sane dev would do that to their game
ashen spindle
yeah I really wonder why on an epic exclusive AAA game they wanted drm 
zenith sonnet
And, as Witcher and CP 2077 show, it's not even necessary
old marlin
which game was it where the devs boosted their sale numbers by publishing a torrent for their game?
zenith sonnet
Some very obscure indie title
zenith sonnet
That nobody would have heard about otherwise
old marlin
but that is so weak on purpose that you can forgo it by creating a folder at the right position
ashen spindle
no I meant people just had/have a hate boner for epic so it makes more sense than on steam to add drm
old marlin
oh
well epic got a lot of unfair criticism
steam also has a ton of exclusivity
the EGS is still barren of features
ashen spindle
sure but instead of complaining about the actual issues you still have a lot of people just hating on it bc its the cool thing
or assuming they still didn't features they added 6 months ago etc.
old marlin
true
ashen spindle
so instead of valid complains they just repeat complains read on reddit on release
zenith sonnet
Do they have library sharing yet?
zenith sonnet
That's the one feature I really want
old marlin
same for a lot of other features which sould be there on release
zenith sonnet
GOG/Steam both do it
GOG a lot better than Steam, tbh
ashen spindle
yea but instead people complain about "lack of regional pricing" when that was added the first month or so, and they even refunded people who paid too much
old marlin
so just supporting it is a lot less hassle
zenith sonnet
Regional pricing is a scam to charge people from countries that are better off more money for the same game...
zenith sonnet
Why should the same game cost 70$ in Australia and 30$ in Mongolia or whatever?
ashen spindle
....
yeah I wonder why the 70$ game from australian devs costs 70$ there but not in a country where you make 70$ as salary a month
zenith sonnet
Obviously, they can afford to sell the game for 30$, so asking 40$ more from someone just because he's living in a country that's better off seems like a scam
ashen spindle
no the alternative would be to sell it for 70$ there too aka not at all
zenith sonnet
I don't see them doing that with other stuff, like graphics cards or cars
ashen spindle
ok then compare rent in silicon valey vs some place in the woods
zenith sonnet
Same with developing a game
Most of the cost is R&D and personell. The same goes for cars. Production is a fraction of the cost
ashen spindle
no for cars the production cost is much higher than what is the main cost for a game, which is emmployee's salary
*afford to sell limited copies at a lower price
zenith sonnet
Then why are they only selling it at a lower price in some places?
ashen spindle
because if you would sell it everywhere for 30 you would have to file for bankruptcy
zenith sonnet
Also, once development for a car is complete, most of the cost is already paid for. They can produce them for much less now. Same logic?
ashen spindle
no, actual assemmbly and the parts cost much more than giving one more person a downloadlink
also that would still be too much if you convert it 1:1 to some places
ontop of that regional pricing doesn't only mean you make it lower in someplaces, it also means you don't make it higher, aka 60$ and 60euro for the same game
in this discussed case at least, obv not always the case with everything
zenith sonnet
I see it the other way round, they're upselling the games where buying power is higher
ashen spindle
but they aren't
like this isn't my opinion, there are market studies and everything, if anything game prices should go up because they stayed the same during all the time, not regarding inflation, increased cost of development etc.
yea sure but thats a different topic, dlc and such is how they were able to mostly offset that and better cuts vs what retail took etc.
and it's not like everything is automatically adjusted, usually just bigger games where they can subsidize it or if its a strong community or such
what, no it ain't, if they make big games that sell they can afford to make them lower in lower income areas
to give an example: I asked a friend in brazil how much you get there and how much something costs: sekiro for example is 200, 260 for red dead 2 while getting like a grand in salary, pre tax
bc those two are not adjusted unlike other games
yup
also I misread your point, thought you meant that somehow causes lack of regional pricing
hence my confusion
anyway, I really don't see how you can call it a scam, when it means people don't have to pay 1/4 of pre-tax salary on a game
yeah which is why they introduced stuff like russian-keys for games that only activate it in russian bc people abused it etc.
zenith sonnet
How many copies does a game sell nowadays vs. 10 or 15 years ago?
old marlin
a shitton more usually
zenith sonnet
So, if anything prices should go down
old marlin
somebody here has and idea how I could print something on a normal paper printer
and have that with previously given dimensions?
I need to make a PSU bracket
but got no clue how to transfer the ATX psu holes correctly
I would make a 3d printed part but I can't use that
envrioment is too crrosive
that would be very nice of you
I have no idea what 2d cad to use
Basically only the mounting holes for an atx power supply
yea, nice thanks
Yea
I printed it in A4
Have a lunch break now but should be correct
I'll confirm it after that
old marlin
even better
holes were a tiny bit off on one side but good enough
just screwed the paper to a PSU and used that to center the holes to transfer correctly
big thanks
wait I'll gave the paper to the guy that cuts the holes
thses two were off
for both the screw was almost in on the line of the black circle
doesn't matter though
rough estimate with screwing it to the PSU is good enough to make a hole big enough that it doesn't matter
yea idk
maybe you accidentally misaligned these
yea
that is basicalyl the only thing you haven't exactly specified in the drawing
idk
yea
weird
also this triggers me
I am in germany
no letter size here
only A4
and it was vertical difference
not horizontal
nope
yea ik
is the same on both ends
maybe the specification paper is wrong ?
I really don't know
PSU is a seasonic focus gold
I doubt that unit has wrong holes
I'll try to measure it again when I get it back
don't have something to measure the angels though
seems like it is on the same position as it should be
on the paper
weird
different formfactor would be completely different
I heavily doubt that the PSU is off spec
although 
could be that they have really loose tolerances for that one
and seasonic just decided to go a bit off center since it doesn't matter either way
doesn't matter to me, I doubt this one will break in 3 months like the previous one
old marlin
some weird standoffs are in the way now
temporary solution is to just have the PSU sitting in the case loosely apparently
lol
halcyon moss
aww shit, my cherry mx keyboard's home key is not working anymore 😦
or.. sometimes it is.. loose contact 😦
old marlin
rip
thick elk
Interesting that it's the home key and not a key that is used a lot more
but I guess not everything happens due to use
reef patrol
Time to resolder a switch 😄
halcyon moss
an hour later and the key was working fine again..
I use home a lot ive noticed :p
reef patrol
vast moss
Whereas that's a key I hardly ever use
halcyon moss
even when browsing the web
crimson wigeon
Goes to top
vast moss
And I surmise End goes to bottom?
crimson wigeon
Yarp!
vast moss
neat
halcyon moss
Also use page down and up a lot 😮
fair gull
i use abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz a lot
and i mean
a lot
not to mention 0123456789
and the key with
on it
and ↵
zenith sonnet
Looks like the Dominus gets a competitor. Price?
old marlin
2k
the dominus got utterly destroyed
tbh
if you have the budget, which you should have when you wanna do something like that
zenith sonnet
When it beats this, then it's good :p
Also interesting: The 3950X matches the W-3175X in bandwidth per channel, and almost in latency
I don't recall what the 9900K can do, but it gets lower latency than either I think
old marlin
well
AMD is close to pinning intel in CPUs in the high end
10C/20T is basically over the limit of what intel can do
the LGA 1200 socket doesn't exist because intel wants to make a new one
also all people that bought an intel CPU between skylake and coffeelake are basically screwed if they wanted to resell
cause they get outclassed by i3s and i5s soon
plush summit
At 16 minutes 30 seconds what is Linus going to do
He's going to do what he does best
reef patrol
chrome estuary
oh god he fucking drops it doesn't he
vast moss
I reprofiled my mouse so back/forward are DPI change, because I noticed that I don't use back and forward buttons for back/forward functions in my mouse
plush summit
@proud nacelle I heard their software is trash
Also heard it doesn't last as
Long
vast moss
What's the Roccat anyway?
old marlin
Wtf, roccat is the highest build quality
Better than logitech
They only had problems with the optical encoder in their second mouse
Their software though
All i can say that it usually works, which is better than ghub
@zenith sonnet you care about good monitors right?
Lg nano ips
4k 144hz for 600
And 1440p 240hz for 500
Community developed
zenith sonnet
@old marlin Looks incredibly interesting
zenith sonnet
It'll have a hard time beating the 27GL850, which is based on the same panel
old marlin
There's no mention of what version of HDMI it is, or how 1440p 240Hz and 4k 144Hz are achieved. Both of those would need either chroma subsampling or DSC to fit within DisplayPort 1.4's bandwidth (unless you use 1440p 240Hz and drop down to 8bpc). They would fit into an HDMI 2.1 connection uncompressed, but no video cards support that yet
zenith sonnet
if it does, though, then gg
old marlin
even if they become more expensive
cheapest 4k 144hz is 780 Euro
and that isn't even as close as good
old marlin
well yea
feral jolt
The brightness is also really high, idk how that many nits looks on ips though
Also just not of fan of how 4k looks at 27"
feral jolt
That's good then
My ips is only 350 nits and it seems like if there was any more it would just bleed it out
zenith sonnet
HDR600...
The next thing I will upgrade to is 30-32" UHD 144Hz Freesync2 HDR1000+
And none of them are a compelling upgrade over the 27GL850
Particularly since we know nothing about real world performance
old marlin
implementation of it shouldn't be too hard
but the big devs probably usually don't do it to make their game viable for streaming etc
cause it will look shit once the encoder had it's way with it
crimson wigeon
Can't wait to see what will be the bad thing about that monitor, will it have horrible ghosting?
old marlin
same panel as the lg ultragear
probably not
it is cheap because they have low margins
and will probably use off the shelf parts mostly
fair gull
yay 25pcs gone dead thx to q win update that deleted files in the windows dir
old marlin
wtf
could be worse
we just grazed by a banking trojan today
unlucky coincidence got a guy infected that was supposed to send a video to one of my bosses for soemthing
and the spam mail coincidentally looked similar enough to be real
luckily only his device got infected and he doesn't do anything with banking
fair gull
well the problem is
the winupdate is not device specific
just win defender definition
old marlin
nice
fair gull
my biggest fear is that this is a general problem for certain system configs and that i get shit tons of calls tomorrow
zenith sonnet
What's the point of PBO?
I get lower 1T scores, and gain like 1% perf in cinebench R20 Multithread o.O
Also, is there a benchmark that can 10% loads or something like that?
zenith sonnet
This is astonishing, frankly
Open Ryzen Master and see a single CPU core running at 250 MHz, everything else is sleeping
Open any other monitoring tool, and the CPU is in high alert 🤔
And that single 250 MHz core is probably as powerful as my phone's processor 😂
halcyon moss
Doubtful
reef patrol
Largely, yes. 🙂
I would consider spending just a bit more on a 3600 to get a current generation (unless you're getting a used 2600), and I'd consider buying a slightly smaller but faster NVME instead of a 2,5" drive to begin with.
red oyster
500GB nvme is also 120 ish
ashen spindle
nah there are cheaper and more expensive versions just like at every capacity point
reef patrol
Yeah. Cheaper NVMEs like the 600P is not a bad deal.
I use ADATA ones personally. Not quite as cheap but good performance.
red oyster
oh right those exist
I have an adata too
for like 120
that's why I just said that
ashen spindle
500gb adata nvme for 80 is what I literally just looked at
reef patrol
ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro to be specific. The plan was to get the 510 from Corsair, but those were sold out.
ashen spindle
and I agree, 3600x is what I'd say you should try and get, could save from the case/fans combo if the budget is tight
fair gull
btw the adata nvme cars have ~160TB lifetime writes per 256GB
ashen spindle
cars?
red oyster
Nice cars
fair gull
cards*
red oyster
I got a 3600
but not sure why I think I saw a deal where 3600x was same price as 3600..
like a day later or so
<_<
I just didn't want to bother
ashen spindle
or if you can find a 1600AF you could also go with that and save some money for the same performance
vague void
@reef patrol https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3r92b8 would this be good if i wanted rgb?
reef patrol
Let's see. 🙂
reef patrol
Hehehe. Had to dig out the manual to see if the fans could be plugged in.
vague void
LOL
reef patrol
Everything will work - I noticed you've gone from 2,5" SSD to 3,5" HDD though. So a slower drive instead of a faster one?
vague void
oh shoot ill change it back
reef patrol
😄
vague void
LOL
Wait i have a 750 dollar budget can you make me the best pc possible with a 750 budget on pcpartpicker?
please? @reef patrol
reef patrol
Sorry - Bit busy tonight. 😄
You can ask over on the NZXT Discord. They're usually very friendly and happy to help. 🙂
vague void
ok
reef patrol
vague void
thanks
reef patrol
random swallow
my old razer keyboard was chnging the colour in difrent games... pretty cool! Can Wooting do that too?
reef patrol
Not directly. But there's an open source app that connects Wooting to Razer's Chroma
Aurora I think it's called?
old marlin
Also is something game devs have to support for certain manufacturers
Back in the days somr did that for alienware
Like xcom for example
halcyon moss
It is called aurora.
loud hemlock
I was writing a small thing using a component of aurora that just takes razer lighting and displays it on a wooting
The proof of concept worked fine
I'll see if I can polish it up a bit. Aurora is nice but buggy and if you only want razer chroma it doesn't matter that much
Officially, wooting has chroma connect in beta now so you could also try that @random swallow
random swallow
k ty all
loud hemlock
Aurora can use that Alienware stuff as well fwiw
wheat plume
<input type="button" value="Multiply" onclick="alert(mulPass(parseInt(document.CalcForm2.num1.value), parseInt(document.CalcForm2.num2.value)))">
This is not making the alert box appear 🤔 I have JS enabled on the browser and also tried to enable pop ups too
sharp pollen
What does mulPass do? Or supposed to? Is it present?
wheat plume
We were asked to make the same function twice
One time without passing the two numbers into it and the second time to pass the numbers into it from the call
mulPass is my function to multiply them and it passes then to the function
sharp pollen
hm, I don't think CalcForm2 are part of document, unless some magic is going on (there's a bit of that in HTML/legacy stuff), did you mean document.forms? E.g. document.forms.CalcForm2.num1.value
likewise for elements within that, should be by the name attribute: document.forms.CalcForm2.elements.num1.value
solemn needle
How sick am i? I have already 2 Mechanical Keyboards. I buy a Lekker 2 weeks ago and searching now for a 96% Keyboard 😦
old marlin
@solemn needle for 96% look at YMDK96 and Melody96
both on aliexpress
the latter is nicer due to being a top mount instead of a tray mount
halcyon moss
@wheat plume for the love of goodness. break it out in a readable function. Add console logs. Make sure CalcForm2 is it's id. (but really do not rely on accessing it this way by global id, but use getelementbyid)
crimson wigeon
https://cacheoutattack.com/ aaaand another one...?
halcyon moss
I wish i had bought a AMD laptop -_-
ashen spindle
Meh, another vulnerability that only works if they already had access to the system, not something anyone will bother doing unless you are working for government or smth like that
golden girder
@fickle ore Like if I would give you 1 € each minute and you would give 1 € each minute to someone else. There is a time there you have -1 €, a time with 0 € and a time there you have 1 €.
If I would give you the Euro exactly 7 seconds after the minute starts and you would give a Euro 15 seconds after the minute starts. Then there is a delay of 8 seconds, but the total delay from the beginjing of the minute would be 15 seconds.
fickle ore
let's say the keyboard is scanned at 250hz, but it has a polling rate of 1khz. The interval is every 250hz, or 0.004s. That 0.004 is constant interval, but the polling rate of 1khz would never give -1 for that. All it would do is either add a 0 to the 0.004 or at maximum add 0.001 to the 0.004, becoming 0.005s. In average it would make it 0.0045. Hence making it an effective scan rate of 225hz.
I like information and being teached. I don't really feel like we're fighting anyways.
😉
spiral belfry
@crimson wigeon @halcyon moss let's be honest, intel are on 7 year old architecture, so we won't get the AMD vulnerabilities for Zen (as it's basically brand new) for a few more years. Just have to remember that 
fickle ore
@golden girder So is the analog movement in games not polled at 1khz? I understand they are not scanned at that interval, but are they also not polled?
golden girder
1 kHz polling rate => each 1 ms
250 hZ scanning rate => each 4 ms
We count from a specific time point, which I call the start of everything (SoE). :-)
Best case (action happen at scanning in time and polling happen at scanning in time too):
Something happen at 3.9~ ms after SoE and the scanning occure at 4 ms after SoE and the polling occure at 4.0~1, then the overall delay would be at nearly 0 ms. So on the best case for the delay from scanning to polling is always nearly 0 ms.
Worst case (action happen at scanning but not in time and polling happen at scanning but not in time either):
Something happen at 4 ms after SoE and so the scanning can't get it so it needs to wait until the next period. So the scanning occure at 8 ms after SoE and the polling occure at 9 ms, then the overall delay would be 5 ms. So on the worst case for the delay from scanning to polling is always 1 ms.
So the total delay for the best case is around nearly 0 ms and for the worst case around 5 ms, so the everage is around 2.5 ms. But this doesn't matter because as soon as both rates are really constant, if you set up an experiment, the delay from polling to scanning would be always constant and between nearly o up to 1 ms.
So the delay from polling to scanning is always constant in that example within an experiment (if you don't unplug the keyboard). But differs from experiment to experiment (if you re-plug the keyboard).
I don't know the actual scanning rate, but I would guess the Wooting can provide a new value each period, for the slower periods if you don't do something esle like changing RGB or sending commands.
For the the faster periods it's different, because Wooting says that the scanning is just a bit faster (on Tachyon) then the polling, every little process time delay or inconsistency can cause that the period is missed.
For the slower rate it shouldn't matter much if the MCU needs something else to do, but on the faster everything can cause a delay.
@fickle ore See above...
The system always polls at the polling rate, but it's not guaranteed that the device are able to provide a new value.
ashen spindle
project at work isn't running on the servers because the servers are so old they don't have the instruction set not even SSE3 on it, and the guy supposed to manage it said bye bye for 2 weeks, next week it needs to be done
fair gull
gg
reef patrol
ashen spindle
question about steam family sharing, does it only work on the same pc, or can I somehow play game X that account A owns, while on account B at a different pc?
dapper ridge
how it works
fair gull
quin yes you can
dapper ridge
is person A has to sign into machine C and turn on family sharing for that computer, at which point person A can log out and person B can log in and have access to Game X on pc C
fair gull
thats how it works
ashen spindle
ah missed a detail I guess, playing something account A has on PC X without logging account A in on PC X
fair gull
prob
dapper ridge
but it is ultimately a one time thing
should never have to sign in with account A again
dapper ridge
or user A disallows
fair gull
or that
ashen spindle
yeah but I want that 1 time to not happen at all ideally
dapper ridge
impossible
fair gull
yep
ashen spindle
thats what I thought, just wondering if there was a loophole or so
fair gull
nope
dapper ridge
become super pro hacker
fair gull
ya that
ashen spindle
fair gull
i mean u prob fear that u get kicked out of teamviewer or someshit and they stay logged in right?
ashen spindle
nah
fair gull
then i dont get why that 1 time is so "bad"
ashen spindle
it's not so bad, just would be easier without it
fair gull
youre right
but thats why its there
u see its to ensure that hackers also cant just family share your library
if someone you family shared with hacks while using your library you cant use family sharing anymore with the account that shared it and you also get a vac ban for the same game and same reason
so they wanna make sure that u actually want to family share with said people
dapper ridge
well also I think the ultimate intended purpose is to have a family machine with many users who can all use the games on that pc
that way little Bobby can play his dad's E rated games
ashen spindle
ye I know, that's why I knew if there is a way its not in the faq as it's not the intended use
dapper ridge
I mean who knows
maybe there is a work around
find it and report it to valve for big money
gaben with bless you
ashen spindle
or get banned like the last guy who send a bug report yea
dapper ridge
gaben rules with an iron fist
ashen spindle
wheat plume
dapper ridge
and what are you trying to do atm, install an nvidia driver?
wheat plume
Yup, download the 440 script from the nvidia website
dapper ridge
kk
wheat plume
although I dont want it to break my install like what happened last week
reef patrol
Image it beforehand 😄
dapper ridge
you will probably need to unload all those kernel modules,
and yes
backup
see if you can unload nvidia_drm
rmmod nvidia_drm
easy fix
dapper ridge
tty
fair gull
rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
dapper ridge
you need to have nothing using nvidia
and I assume xorg is presently controlling it
wheat plume
Yeah
dapper ridge
do you know what greeter you use
wheat plume
gdm
wheat plume
so switching to tty from the desktop will not work?
dapper ridge
switch to a tty
and then I believe you will want to run this
systemctl isolate multi-user.target```from there you can rmmod nvidia-drm
and run the script
and then to get back to graphical run
systemctl start graphical.target```Ok I'll try
dapper ridge
good luck
wheat plume
Same error
Module still in use
wheat plume
Lemme check the readme that's apparently on the website
dapper ridge
so one thing to see I guess
when you do lsmod | grep nvidia
the number is how many things are using it
if that is not a 0 you cannot unload it
I mean you could uninstall the old nvidia driver
wheat plume
I shut down the PC and went to tty from gdm
Didn't login to desktop and it's still using Nvidia stuff
dapper ridge
yes because gdm runs on xorg
wheat plume
... oh right duh
wheat plume
Loaded but inactive
dapper ridge
you did run the commands I gave you for systemctl in sudo right?
wheat plume
Yeh
wheat plume
8
dapper ridge
hot dam
ok
you can probably try this
testing first
to make sure it does not kill my computer
wheat plume
Rmmod Nvidia worked now
dapper ridge
oh really>
dapper ridge
hmm
odd
well I guess for future reference
systemctl set-default runlevel3.target
this command will force you to stay in text version
wheat plume
O.o
dapper ridge
and then you can revert by doing
systemctl set-default graphical.target
dapper ridge
xorg refuses to boot and tells me inactive
well no
its perfect for this
no display servers running
wheat plume
True
wheat plume
Ahh
dapper ridge
I have graphics
wheat plume
Should I try?
dapper ridge
if it unloaded
no
you should be good
try the script
if script fails again
then might be worth a try
before you set it tho run this:
sudo systemctl get-default
and make note of whatever that is set to
wheat plume
I did
Told me stuff about kernel something not being in the right location
It doesn't seem to know what to do since Manjaro uses its own kernel
wheat plume
Kernel header file <long ass path> doesn't not exist
dapper ridge
something like this```The kernel header file ‘/lib/modules/4.14.15-1-MANJARO/build/include/linux/kernel.h’ does not exist. The most likely reason for this is that the kernel source path ‘/lib/modules/4.14.15-1-MANJARO/build’ is incorrect. Please make sure you have installed the kernel source files for your kernel and that they are properly configured; on Red Hat Linux systems, for example, be sure you have the ‘kernel-source’ or ‘kernel-devel’ RPM installed. If you know the correct kernel source files are installed, you may specify the kernel source path with the ‘–kernel-source-path’ command line option.
ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file ‘/var/log/nvidia-installer.log’ for details. You may find suggestions on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux driver download page at www.nvidia.com 7.```
wheat plume
Yup
dapper ridge
wheat plume
HMMMMMMMMMMM
dapper ridge
computer lights on fire
wheat plume
so......I tried many many times before this to remove the 418 ones from this manjaro driver manager thing and each time it failed but somehow magically it worked this time
I am so lost...why it work now and no other time I trieD?
dapper ridge
I am a linux failure
wheat plume
Ok
I know systemctl bit not the options you told it
wheat plume
Xd
dapper ridge
no joke tho
sometimes
you just gotta admit that the manual is all knowing
😦
in all fairness tho
wheat plume
RTFM indeed
wheat plume
I already knew the steps using the manjaro drive GUI
but they never previously worked
im actualyl very confused why they did this time
fair gull
bra dont u system ctl
u call urself linux user but havent even memorized all man pages
fair gull
so u admit weakness
fair gull
u just read my thing
wheat plume
xd
dapper ridge
oh shit
fair gull
so u admitted weakness
dapper ridge
they know
fair gull
checkmate
dapper ridge
runs and hides
fair gull
dw taco, lana and i are also weak
fair gull
whats make
dapper ridge
or why you should google things before running them
👀
make
as in the make tool
for C and C++
often used with cmake
wheat plume
I am happy
but very confused
every other time I tried to remove the 418 with the GUI it told me about dependency breakage and failed
fair gull
whats c and c++
dapper ridge
do you know what a programming language is?
how about language
do you speak a language?
fair gull
yes
dapper ridge
wait you can speak c# and js
are you actually unfamiliar with C and C++ building?
dapper ridge
ok lol
fair gull
i was just fucking with u
fair gull
i mean with how often i talk about coding i thought ud call me out straight away
dapper ridge
I was like "This guy who is clearly better than me at programming doesnt know what make is?"
fair gull
so i wasnt sure if ure fucking with me
since u knew i was fucking with u
but it seems u didnt know
dapper ridge
well as I said
I thought you were
but after a bit I was starting to lose faith in that
wheat plume
it undid the screen tear fix I had :'))) oh no got to reboot again
fair gull
now im confused about the timeline of events that unfolded and were initiated by myself
dapper ridge
ah yes
clearly night
as I know europeans dont have lights
that is only a problem in 'Murica
fair gull
well usually i turn off the lights and roll down the blinds
dapper ridge
same
wheat plume
xD
dapper ridge
hmmm
the fuck
is the point of locking a window
oh context
a window in a window manager
not a physical window
fair gull
i dont lock my windows
dapper ridge
smh
fair gull
dapper ridge
ew
the real world
dont remind me about that
I have to go try not dying on a highway in like 4 minutes
fair gull
only in america
fair gull
where people drive way too slow
dapper ridge
wat
here we drive like fucking maniacs
also note I guess, locked windows in bspwm = you cant close that window
private windows = you cant split that window
dapper ridge
dont you have a 15% law or something
where you can go over spead limit by like 15% legally
dapper ridge
we have places like that, mostly in wyoming, pretty close to where I live
my dad has gone 160-200 on roads like that
fair gull
now imagine ur country would have become german speaking
dapper ridge
instead of spanish speaking?
fair gull
ud have autobahnen all over the us
dapper ridge
unlikely
the US likes to prevent its massive death toll from being even higher due to vehicular accidents
and unfortunately they give out licenses too easily
fair gull
thats called natural selection not death toll
dapper ridge
I cannot particularly agree
as a lot of people who die in cars
die from other people
unless you are claiming we should be more car accident resilient
dapper ridge
puss out, you mean avoid getting a ticket for driving way too fast
fair gull
how is 80% c too fast
fair gull
have u ever seen an office stop light for driving too fast?
fair gull
wait have u been using kmh before? i thought mph
fair gull
sad country
i adapted to ur caveman units of the muricas
cause usually they default to mph
was already wondering what hypercar ur dad drives
dapper ridge
well im glad I dont live somewhere where people are driving over 100mph
I already see enough gnarly shit
karmic grail
Saw this on eBay and choked a bit
Never expected to see a Wooting on Australian eBay
fallow bison
What a deal!!!!!!!!!!
wheat plume
😮 wtf
dapper ridge
pale sigil
Eh
fallow bison
modified wooting
zenith sonnet
How does lubing switches make them more silent?
Doesn't most of the noise come from a released key hitting it's top?
True
If you bottom out heavily like my wife, then that's much worse
fair gull
what wife
zenith sonnet
🤔
dapper ridge
wait you people have relationships?
fair gull
same
zenith sonnet
Sometimes
wheat plume
sometimes? how tf?
dapper ridge
wheat plume
ayyy
Tony coded the AI behind the interactive sex doll in javascript
little known secret
ashen spindle
@fair gull you know TS3 stuff, how do I check if I made my ts3 query connection secure? google results are quite shit for the topic
ashen spindle
fair gull
the only real way i personally know is only allowing queries from localhost
and then ssh tunnel into the machine
ashen spindle
is that via queryip in the ini or where do you limit that?
fair gull
yes
and if u wanna be extra sure block it in firewall
the port that is
btw u can still use tools like YaTQA with ssh tunneling
ashen spindle
wait I can log in via the settings I saved in putty via telnet but its not asking me for a login or anyhting, do I have like a cookie or so saved for the login?
fair gull
can u run commands?
ashen spindle
version and stuff, cant use gm to message people
fair gull
did u set the queryip to 127.0.0.1
ashen spindle
wait if set it to no ip does that mean it just blocks everything? that would work too
fair gull
no ip means bind all
set it to the loopback ip of localhost
that way u cant use it from outside
ashen spindle
ok so I'll just 127 it and change port, dont really need it anyway
almost forgot to add ini file to the startup script lul
fair gull
was glad i could help ya
ashen spindle
ye ty, most results where either talking about something else, some post said it for usage limits only etc.
dapper ridge
Tiny
how do you tell people there is nothing that can be done
to solve a problem
or do you just supplement placebo solutions until they are satisfied
fair gull
idc bout that
i get called a liar on a regular basis like once or twice a week
eventually they all come back and trust me cause i told them the truth and after consulting others of which sometimes some try to rip my customers off they actually see i didnt lie to them
dapper ridge
I guess
fair gull
just do whats best for the customer
dapper ridge
I mean we have remote users
and they expect the apps we host on our servers to run identical to how they run in the office
and our office is in no way setup to provide the bandwidth to adequately provide for them
fair gull
so just tell them
dapper ridge
I did and they got pissy
fair gull
just be polite and dont let it get to you
dapper ridge
yeah, yer right
fair gull
if u start lying you build an expectation u cant fulfill
so sadly we have to acept that some people get pissed
dapper ridge
I think people are too used to IT solving problems
that once we solved most of them
they are suprised we cant just do everything
fair gull
yep
dapper ridge
since they have only had in house IT for about 2 years
and we just recently finished the cleanup phase and are now onto project phase
It's also construction
so they are a bit bigger assholes due to the job they work in
fair gull
like i have to explain to customers often why we only sell original ink cartridges
and usually they get pissed
fair gull
but id rather have them pissed than deal with brokenprintheads etc
even worse for laser copiers
dapper ridge
or a printer that wont fuckin print
fair gull
when the transferbelt breaks or shit
dapper ridge
because it only works with genuine
disgusting
these new ones we are getting use a god dam chip
to check if the ink is genuine
and refuse to print if it is not
I mean just buy the original ink
thankfully I dont buy it, purchasing does
does mean I have to tell purchasing tho
since they try to find loop holes
and cost efficiencies
fair gull
ya but we just refuse to sell aftermarket shit
yes some toner cartridges cost hundreds of euros
but id rather sell those every now and then instead of selling a new 3grand copier every year
dapper ridge
thank god they dont buy cheap toner for our industrial printers
wheat plume
:'))))))))
reef patrol
Did you put the jumpers back in their original position?
As long as they block the current, the battery isn't used.
ashen spindle
try removing instead of having them on the default position? just in case
whats the mobo?
hm it doesnt look like one where you need to have the jumper so thats weird that it now does less
but why does your mobo care if there is a monitor
wheat plume
I am glad he was smart enough to not plug this into his actual computer https://youtu.be/q2mDGIFl0DI
wheat plume
mpv media player is great if you have album art otherwise it just shows a black box
reef patrol
I seem to recall vaguely using K-Lite so many years ago, when you needed codecs to play everything. MPC just plays it all.
zenith sonnet
Used that before
Switched to mpv a few years back
Seems to run better, but the lack of GUI bothered me a bit
And I also never had an issue playing a file with it
timid chasm
MPC HC for life
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol About MPC-HC:
It's just outdated and imperfect. There's no reason you should have to install madVR for good rendering, or XySubFilter for good subtitles, or ReClock for video-based timing. If MPC-HC was a good video player, it would have all that built in. There's also no reason it should still use DirectShow. LAV is the only worthwhile codec anyway, so it would be a lot simpler if MPC-HC just called FFmpeg directly. And if you got rid of DirectShow, there's no reason it should be Windows-only. Programs as complicated as web browsers can be cross-platform, so why should something as simple as a video player only work on one platform?
If MPC-HC wasn't abandoned and had all the development time in the world, I think it would make those changes, but making those changes would effectively turn it into a different video player. Or, to put it in the words of an ex-MPC-HC dev:
<Armada> can confirm, mpv killed MPC-HC for me ;)
<Armada> When I looked at what needed to be done for MPC-HC to have a future, I concluded it basically needed to become MPV :P
Someone really needs to make a good (and actively maintained) MPC-HC-like GUI frontend for mpv. If they did that, I think it would be the final nail in MPC-HC's coffin. Even pirate groups and anime groups are recommending mpv now. The only thing holding mpv back from widespread adoption is the lack of a GUI.
🤔
reef patrol
I have... no idea what ANY of that is.
I play video just fine - With auto downloaded subs
To quote myself it just works.
reef patrol
Not a single of my videos are in 1440p, let alone 4K 😄
And I've never had issues with bad sub rendering.
zenith sonnet
Depends on what you watch, maybe?
reef patrol
I'm used to watching Netflix on Chrome. That's 720P...on a 1440P monitor.
I don't really have big demands here 😄
zenith sonnet
I do notice poor IQ quite easily and am bothered by it :p
reef patrol
fair gull
idk mpchc works fine for me
not to mention the download for mpv is 3times as large as mpchc
and prob has an infinite amount of shit i will not need
zenith sonnet
Maybe the reason is that MPC-HC hasn't been updated in what, 11 years?