tray is the name btw
#🔌│tech
fair gull
hardy idol
(i even have a second screen just for two discord instances and spotify)
fair gull
task tray
dapper ridge
thanks
dapper ridge
what are you looking for?
hardy idol
most dark ones have a very vibrant colour in them for an icon, which hurts my eyes
fair gull
wallpaper engine ftw
hardy idol
no
dapper ridge
peace
dapper ridge
what part
hardy idol
this even is too bright
fair gull
might i suggest smth to you?
hardy idol
ye
fair gull
black
hardy idol
..
fair gull
just black
dapper ridge
thanks, I hate it
fair gull
same
dapper ridge
ditto
hardy idol
😂
dapper ridge
perfect
hardy idol
why
hardy idol
o
hardy idol
?
hardy idol
thanks for hurting my eyees
dapper ridge
eye pain is a natural part of life
fair gull
fair gull
id use the papyrus spaghetti one
fair gull
ur mum gay
fair gull
no u
hardy idol
i wish
dapper ridge
peace
reef patrol
dapper ridge
old marlin
perfection
hardy idol
too bright
foggy solstice
How about now
old marlin
are those window blinds?
fair gull
those are windows blinds
old marlin
ye
halcyon moss
hmm looks reasonable
zenith sonnet
So that's why my new PSU already has a split 24 pin PSU side...
old marlin
?
no
some manufacturers did that for a while
makes more sense when wiring internals
zenith sonnet
Or when intel is trying to push a new standard
Anyway, I'd just need a new PSU cable for the 10 pin
old marlin
true
ashen spindle
Lel, here they are pushing for a probably good standard while on server side they are not moving from 1 to 2.5 GbE as default bc they try to protect margins
old marlin
they did exactly this on servers a long time ago
feral jolt
They also were about to drop pcie 4.0 on comet lake. But then decided not to. Forefront of innovation
ashen spindle
Nope 4.0 on comet lake is a false rumor
Or rather the part that is was planned for any 14nm variant is a false rumor
feral jolt
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-gets-the-jitters-plans-then-nixes-pcie-40-support-on-comet-lake I read this and it claims they were attempting to do it
ashen spindle
Twitter
feral jolt
Classic Tom's hardware
halcyon moss
Just got a 27 inch FHD screen... why
ashen spindle
240hz?
halcyon moss
hah, no 60hz. but its a usb c monitor with a built in hub and daisy chaining support
dapper ridge
halcyon moss
so thats great for the office, and my laptop. just one cable
dapper ridge
how much dollah
halcyon moss
and the best thing is that my osx using colleague can't use the daisy chaining :p
can't!
still though.. 27 inch 1080p is ridiculous. everything is soo large
hardy idol
27 inch should go for 1440
halcyon moss
yes
hardy idol
and 4k should only be applied on 37 inch to 50 inch
from 50 inch its 1440p
til 75 inch
then its 1080p again
halcyon moss
wiatwhat
hardy idol
it does not make sense for TVs to have 4k because youre so far away from it
except you dont really see the additional sharpness
and more frames
the prices should be different than now yh
i feel like most tvs dont make sense at this point
we have a 75 inch 4k tv
and it's fine on 1080p mode
4k is only harder to run
if really needed, 1440
but 4k is only for maniacs who use ~50 inch monitors
if it becomes a tv, then stop having 4k
yeah
thats about it
imagine
100 INCH FUCKING TV AND YOURE 1.8 M away
but I am like 70 cm away from my 24 inch 1080p
and it's more than okay
WGHAT
dapper ridge
ok so
zfs is
too easy
reads zfs documentation
a few of you guys told me to use zfs
and I was scared
but like
it is easy as shit
thick elk
there is still the matter of dkms taking time every kernel updates. And the realtively high memory usage.
still it is not particular hard
dapper ridge
easier than mdadm
thick elk
I am still thinking about switching to btrfs when I upgrade to bigger hdd's
Also still deciding between 4 less large hdd's in a raid 10 like setup or 2 larger ones in a raid 1 like setup
thick elk
CoW is great
dapper ridge
thick elk
Moving hdd's out of the pc is great.
dapper ridge
well im glad I moved to ssd's
my pc used to make a lot of noise
now it can just sit nice and quiet
sick creek
Lol yea zfs is very easy/simple to understand with minimal knowledge
I use it on my media server. Raid-5-like storage with almost no effort
are you trying to understand how it works
or are you actually using it? 😂 cause if you're using it, it's easy
i ran less than 10 commands to set up my storage pool and create partitions
dapper ridge
sudo zpool create data mirror ata-WDC_WD10EFRX-68FYTN0_WD-WCC4J6NJZJUS ata-WDC_WD10EFRX-68FYTN0_WD-WCC4J2JYN29S -f -o ashift=12```I did this
and amazingly
I had a raid array
in raid 1
sick creek
lol
dapper ridge
and it was ready in like 10 seconds
hardy idol
sick creek
it's good for any size, but just don't expect the fastest performance
fault tolerance is it's
^
yep^ it's pretty transparent
you don't have to fuck with it once it's set up unless you're adding drives/recovering from failures
thick elk
Generally if you take a prebuild nas with nas software they will take care of the config part for you
sick creek
even then, it's pretty easy to add drives or replace/rebuild
honestly i'd use zfs on spinning platter drives and something really fast/fragile on an ssd... if your boot drive fails and isn't redundant, zfs wont help you anyway
sick creek
i like to live dangerously
thick elk
For me one big benefit of ZFS / BTRFS is that you can make it so it snapshots every file you write to (part of) the disk. IE if you are stupid enough to delete something it's still there. This especially at work is such a great benefit. Sure you have backup's but not needing them is more convenient.
thick elk
The benefit is that having a seperate partition is easier to migrate between disks than just having it all in files.
dapper ridge
#backups4lyfe
sick creek
FWIW in 20+ years of using computers, i've never had a partition straight up fail and the hardware not be the problem
thick elk
I personally don't do it and just backup the files
dapper ridge
but I personally dont like to do it anymore
latest arch install I just put almost everything in root
thick elk
It's a livesaver at work when idot x deletes stuff he shouldn't you can just look up revisions and put it back.
sick creek
i like lots of distros, but i always end up coming back to ubuntu/debian
dapper ridge
eh, if I need linux working in 30 minutes
ubuntu
if I need linux that will last me and my aesthetic tastes, arch
I dont like mint
I've had bad experiences in the past
and even though it was a long time ago
I just cant let them go
thick elk
because it's shared stuff within the company lots of people need access to it
sick creek
easy to google problems, pretty much all the packages are available, everything in familiar locations
thick elk
Except I am the person deciding that
crimson wigeon
Alright Linux nerds, do any of you know an actual working solution to heavy IO seriously hampering responsiveness? I'm tired of heavy IO making my system unusuable even if the IO is on non-root drive
dapper ridge
what type of drives u using/ what fs
crimson wigeon
Btrfs, HDDs hurt responsivieness more but it shouldn't matter when the root drive is unused
crimson wigeon
I've tried them all, I've banged my head a lot trying to fix this garbage
The only lead I have... is that this problem mostly only exists on rpm based distros!
crimson wigeon
That would be lovely yes but I'm too lazy to switch
dapper ridge
what distro exactly?
crimson wigeon
I'm using openSUSE Tumbleweed, I did repro this problem on Fedora, but Debian and Arch didn't slow down
dapper ridge
could it be version of btrfs
does ubuntu/arch use a different major version of btrfs?
crimson wigeon
Maybe, I did try yoinking the Arch kernel but that didn't help (I build my own kernels anyway)
To try this yourself do something like dd if=/dev/zero of=breakme bs=1M (where breakme would land somewhere on your root drive) then try to resize and move windows
QT programs choke way harder than GTK programs!
crimson wigeon
There are but I'd rather fix the underlying problem as well 🙂
crimson wigeon
Or basically what I can tell happens is that when the writeback buffer gets too big, it blocks all IO until its cleared out
Lowering the size of the buffer clears it up somewhat but it's still there
Yeah I've done that and I can only find posts from years ago about people having the same problems and no fix in sight
(but clearly it is fixable since some distros don't have this problem somehow!)
Yes, just as problematic
Uuuurgh...
dapper ridge
best I've ever had with IO is firmware issues that I fixed by changing to a different brand of storage
crimson wigeon
To make it clear, the whole system gets noticeably less responsive if I'm doing something like copying from a separate data drive to an external
halcyon moss
did you enable dma access in the kernel? ;P
crimson wigeon
Go on...
halcyon moss
This was a problem with IDE drives.. i dont think this is the case since sata
crimson wigeon
Nevermind then
dapper ridge
im breaking zfs already
I was trying to limit ARC
and I set config wrong so it failed to load on boot
and my stupid dockerd created folders in the data dir
so when I fixed the errors in the zfs config and rebooted zfs refused to mount
fixed it
reef patrol
Here we go again. Attempting to fit all of this junk in this smol case. Can't wait to show it off tomorrow. 😎
thick elk
Good luck, you may need it.
reef patrol
😄
dapper ridge
what case is that?
reef patrol
Sentry 2.0
reef patrol
reef patrol
I mean... I'm running a stock 8700K with an AIO 
dapper ridge
benchmarked?
reef patrol
It doesn't throttle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJDL1I3xTzA
This video did some temp tests.
dapper ridge
my next build is gonna be smoller
I like the idea that my rig is the size of a laptop
and can fit in a bag
I should just use one of these
reef patrol
😄
dapper ridge
so sentry 2.0 + portable monitor = bulky laptop?
reef patrol
M'yeah I guess.
reef patrol
Big local LAN.
And that's the nuke collector's edition from Fallout. Spot the bobblehead.
pale sigil
@reef patrol how are thermals
pale sigil
reef patrol
Thinn PC 😄
And this is a 8700K. Not really the best CPU for a case like this. But it's what I have right now.
hardy idol
oo
pale sigil
Still doesn't feel viable for an everyday system like I use it for
reef patrol
I can drop ten degrees or more easily with sleeved cables and a more suited CPU.
pale sigil
What res is that
pale sigil
Thought so
old marlin
8700k is so sad
pale sigil
I'd be freaking
old marlin
especially when OCed
pale sigil
Could be worse
reef patrol
Good thing I didn't pay for it then. Or my 9900K 😛
pale sigil
You could have a 7700k 
old marlin
just showed how little progress intel made when they didn't really want to
reef patrol
outdated chipset
pale sigil
Sshhhh
old marlin
tbh
it only was worth it when the 6700k became more expensive
since it is basically the same cpu
but with vroc
and 4k netflix in edge
pale sigil
Hehe I went from a 6600k
old marlin
had that one too
skylake was a massive overclocker
thankfully
otherwise we would be stuck to much worse intel cpus now
old marlin
or intel could have released 8th gen performance in 2015 
pale sigil
Making the leap from ddr3 to ddr4 is so expensive
Cos you couldn't just upgrade anymore
reef patrol
RAM is super cheap now. While it lasts 😄
old marlin
wait until SEA gets flooded again
and dram and nand prices jump through the roof
I am stuck on b350 for now
old marlin
limits me to 2766
then it is too late lol
rocket league dropped macos and linux support
reef patrol
They probably looked at how many people played it on those platforms, and figured that if they could count them on a hand, it wouldn't be worth 😄
pale sigil
Nah
pale sigil
It'll be down to epic
old marlin
so linux support is all the way in the back of priorities
pale sigil
More people would use Linux tho
pale sigil
It’s a vicious cycle and it sucks
old marlin
dunno how much I can trust reps though
since a steelseries rep claimed their mice with oled screens sell better
when people complained that an upcoming mouse has one
now please tell me what use an oled on the bottom of your mouse is
halcyon moss
to see what dpi your mouse is ofcourse
old marlin
in case you forgot it
and a simple light is't enough
and you don't wanan open the software
and are ready to pay like 10-20$ more
reef patrol
Flipped the AIO fan around and took FC5 down to medium. That helped a ton, @pale sigil
reef patrol
Naw. It's quite common for these small ITX single fan models.
They always hover at around their throttle point by design.
Similar temps when it's in wife's gaming PC that is mATX
reef patrol
Packed and ready to go. Did is going to be fun. Even brought one of my Wootings 😁
pale sigil
Woot woot
foggy solstice
Use it.
pale sigil
i honeestly have no use for it
zenith mirage
Yeah no harm I that
It's such a pain to get new drives into my PC now, but I'm still running out of space. Is the performance of an external drive noticibly worse than using SATA?
I have a lot of free USB ports and one type C on the PC so im sure I can make something work. Not sure how fast that type C port actually is. A thunderbolt port would be nice though
pale sigil
- 4tb in my nas
wheat plume
O.o
zenith mirage
Do you run games off it?
pale sigil
off the 500gb one i do
And my m2 1tb
hdd is literally never used
Or do you meean my NAS
zenith mirage
NAS
pale sigil
Steam makes it awkard to run over the network
ashen spindle
Could use your nas as a steam cache if you got spare space
old marlin
is that supposed to make the wooting look better
reef patrol
Tell you what. As soon as Wooting sends me a Wootmaus, I'll yeet this on camera 
wheat plume
What would a woot mouse be like?
reef patrol
Not sure I see the point in an analog mouse, but making their own mice to specifications they like would be interesting
feral jolt
Hall effect switches with adjustable actuation would be powerful on a gaming mouse
wheat plume
oo
mostly in FPS games tho, you could like half press for semi and press all way down for full auto
foggy solstice
Or half press for ADS and full press for shoot.
fickle ore
I would buy them solely for HE switches, cause of lifespan
but my absolute pain barrier is 70grams
old marlin
Those hall effects are digital
Also analog on a mouse is bad
You ideally want no pre/post travel
So like 0.5-1mm movement
I know like 2 mice that nailed that
G303 and kain
hexed gyro
@reef patrol free marketing where
Did you walk around and point out that there’s a wooting keyboard in the middle of that large whole with cool displays of other stuff?
Hall effect mouse can work if you treat it as after press. So, you click the mouse as regular, but the you can add a little force to continue pressing it for analog values.
The point of it? The obvious advantage right now? Well.... wellllllll. I need to ponder over that and use a Z-mouse to test it lol
fair gull
stop talking bout analog mice and make macros thanks calder 😛
hexed gyro
Macros macros macros
old marlin
I have used enough different mice to know what feels good
hexed gyro
I think we should send out a questionnaire and ask what you’d want to use macros for.
old marlin
kain clicks are THE best
hexed gyro
Kain?
fair gull
quicker shortcuts for coding
old marlin
roccat kain
reef patrol
I'm walking around with my Wooting cap, sir. 😎
Did have a few guys ask about the board too.
hexed gyro
@fair gull how about non coding people, since you can easily just use and understand AHK
Or is AHK just too much hassle and “more software” ?
I mean, I’m looking for good reasons and something that says. This is why macros provided by the keyboard maker is fucking awesome
fair gull
tagged u in a channel where we discussed just that
maybe that u cant ban hardware macros as easy as software?
plus macros on keyboard are transportable everywhere
dont need software or running anything special in the background
and they will be as native as possible since the os doesnt know its "simulated"
pale sigil
fallow bison
Main reason for macros in the wootility would be for the users to have an easy way to implement macros with their profiles, without relying on third party software
its just a much nicer out of the box experience, especially for non-power users
reef patrol
GGW. Local big LAN here in Aalborg, @hexed gyro . Same as last year in Asetek booth.
Me and my wootang.
wheat plume
that case is pretty
reef patrol
feral jolt
is that the new Wii?
wheat plume
:PPPPP
reef patrol
Quite fun. Aside from just people with their own PCs, there's a full body VR booth, Best saber, racing chairs, mario kart big screen multiplayer and a bunch of other stuff. 3D printers, school programs.
reef patrol
We have the local college/uni trying to get folks into robotics, coding and graphics.
foggy solstice
Either there's some lopsided funding going on, or people really have no fucking clue how to run a uni.
reef patrol
Howso, Dev? It's a great way to get people into specific careers.
This is the motors and engineering people. There's also a booth that does coding challenges.
foggy solstice
I mean this is basically the only university that knows how to get people interested into these sorts of things.
Every other university doesn't seem to get that.
reef patrol
😄
pale sigil
thats so lame
i have a plugin that puts you in the devs server upon first time enable
@reef patrol Lan party in China when? xD
reef patrol
golden girder
In one way or another, if you don't want to have a bloated up software don't update!
New features always means more things to take care about.
golden girder
Having multiple apps or versions would be a nightmare to work on.
golden girder
If the UI is good there isn't a problem in having more options and features. So if people don't want, care or whatever they can just ignore the new things.
It's not!
fair gull
and the shit still uses up my diskspace
and wastes bandwidth while downloading
and runs in the background
golden girder
A hardware change would mean changes is multiple apps.
fair gull
"changes in multiple apps" no
golden girder
So close the app if you don't want it!
pale sigil
oh noews
fair gull
and lose that 1 feature that i wanted out of the 3000
pale sigil
dont talka bout software near mage e
fair gull
ya great advice
golden girder
No one forces you to have it open. You can decide if you want to use the features or not.
fair gull
and maybe someone wants 1 of those features but not any of the rest
so theyd run all features for 0 reason
golden girder
You can make every happy. A lot of people seems to hate changes without a meaningful reason.
Everything was betet in the past...
ashen spindle
I feel like it's pointless to discuss stuff if we don't have more info about it, if it changes the wootility from 180mb to 2gb sure I'd say it's bloat and maybe not make it that way, if it's adding 5mb I don't think it really matters, we're on a bout a single piece of software and not some theory how to generally design stuff
fair gull
im still for seperate piece of software
make it plugins to the wootility or some shit
that way rocky wont shed a tear cause of many apps needing to be updated for new hardware
golden girder
If you have bugs or not depends on how good you wrote the software, not how many apps you have!
fair gull
and people can choose
rocky bro have u seen windows? its 1 piece of software and 3billion bugs
golden girder
Having plugins would be the optimal case...
ashen spindle
a tab for plugins, with direct links for offical wooting-plugins like macro support does sound nice if possible I guess
golden girder
Because this is an ongoing problem.
golden girder
People want all kind of things...
fair gull
best case scenario wooting becomes more like aurora
golden girder
So even the Razer thing should be better a plugin.
fair gull
yes
@proud nacelle yes but the analogsdk has plugins itself
and well its meant to be seperate since its to be used to develop apps that talk directly to the wooting
not going through wootility
golden girder
But if just two developers there on is part time and the other do also the hardware stuff a proper solution will maybe not come.
fair gull
well i suggested github and open sourcing already
and i also said many times that i can understand their trouble with that
golden girder
This will not come...
fair gull
finding people who maintain their vision etc
but it would be the best for everyone
would lead to quick feature additions, quicker bug fixes, way better optimization
and much more
that would mean that the woot team would also completely stop working on it
i mean i thought about just reversing the electron minified js
cause its not like we dont have the source code
what
no
use nodejs to extract the files
done
golden girder
It's still a mess to deal with it.
fair gull
u have the source code
golden girder
It's not easy to ensure decoupling and modularity if this isn't intended in the first place.
Refactoring would be hard if you don't have the original source code with all the extras and if you are not familiar with it.
fair gull
i mean we somewhat have the original source like i said
only variable names and function names missing
and a bit well
simplified i guess
this is the main function for example
builds the main window and hooks some callbacks
golden girder
They need a full time developer who takes care. But it would take a while until the software would be ready for plugins and that means a lot of money down the road without having a big benefit right away.
fair gull
its electron yes
its just a modified chromium running
thats how its cross platform
i wish it wasnt
thats all packages used by wootility
thats not why its chosen
its just that
with electron it will just work
on any os
no like
library shit
or recompiling libs
or certain things only working on windows
or path stuff
node handles all of that crap
so its easier to develop for
and with ur segfaults
only in edge cases
otherwise it throws an error into console
and u just read what it says
like i said thats not the point
the point is i can make smth like a yt music player in 20minutes
how long will u need in c
even with libraries and c id say more than 2 hours
golden girder
But then you only support one plattform.
fair gull
what
golden girder
With C.
fair gull
no
golden girder
But not the libraries.
fair gull
depends on the libraries rocky
and what if the libraries use win32 api calls?
ah yes so thats why sharex runs on linux
wait it doesnt
u just claimed u can easily no worries make a yt music player in 20mins
with browsing as if it was opened in a browser
bullshit
oh if its only yt music i can do that in 2mins
cause theres node libs for it
case and point node, python and all the other scripting langs just beat the crap out of c, cpp, go etc when it comes to fast and easy development for croosplatform stuff
golden girder
Yeah you can still use wine but it wouldn't be as easy for the end user. Yeah maybe you can code something very fast but then you would stick to software implementation with less hardware support. Like on windows it's easy to create a player which uses all the codec from Win itself. But to deal with all the different hardware stuff all by your own is a mess.
fair gull
@proud nacelle i mean dont u have discord running?
thats also electron
yes
use a browser
use a browser that supports webrtc
like pmuch any browser
hf
debloated u
idc what it is in the backend
i dont need to scratch my head for 10hours fixing segfaults and i can def fully featured shit in a day or less
crimson wigeon
Well if you want a lighter Discord client you can try something like Ripcord although it's absolutely proprietary non-free so who knows what it's doing with your data!!
fair gull
thats why i gave him discord cli
literally just some cli stuff and a websocket
so
u like the 400mb discord uses
but 20megs for a cli is too bloated
no
so?
crimson wigeon
with the API
crimson wigeon
You might get frustrated though if the dcord docs are still in the sorry completely wrong and lacking information state they were in a few years ago
fair gull
"bans you for doing shit"
weird that they publicly display affection for custom clients
wanna know what they hate?
publicly shared custom clients
yes a publicly shared custom client is a security risk
like that time a better discord plugin got a rogue update that stole all the tokens of its users
totally secure
ill stop u right there
wanna know why?
cause
thats
up
to
the
custom
client
source
better discord doesnt warn u
pale sigil
Shh
pale sigil
pls dont spam my ears ❤️
fair gull
fuck this
oh idk for like the 2 years i used it maybe?
what would i care
thats the entire security risk
pale sigil
What doesn't warn you about what
fair gull
that what the client does it out of their hand so they dont want custom clients to be shared publicly
u can make ur own client and discord devs wont give a single shit
that they have no influence on what the custom client does to user data
if u get a shared custom client
the risk is
that ur data is stolen
not everyone is mr mage and doesnt use anything that has more than 10lines of public source code
u are looking at this through ure tinted retardo glasses
get down to earth
and look at from the perspective of good ol jim
who doesnt know shit about programming
but wants cool backgrounds
pale sigil
Can i have context here.
fair gull
mage doesnt get how publicly shared custom clients are a security risk
and why discord devs dont give a single shit if u code a custom client for urself and dont share it
crimson wigeon
Then ol jim should just accept that there's a chance it might take all their data, just like all other softwares can
pale sigil
Oh ye its a risk
fair gull
yes but discord wont allow u to go around unpunished spreading smth thats ruled "banned" for user safety
pale sigil
its banned but they dont act onit
fair gull
and ure willingly dumb mage
fair gull
this isnt even braindead this is like anti consumer on the highest level
fair gull
i mean why should we even choose passwords
just let people login by username only
if they dont choose a good long username its their fault
yes u did... its discords responsibility to also see to it that users cant easily be deceived
thus custom clients that get shared publicly are banned
pale sigil
Ugh
pale sigil
Oh you're saying its disocrds fault custom things exist?
fair gull
no
its like saying windows should warn users about scams and go after scammers misusing their name
thats what discord does
literally
they warn u
fair gull
and go after people breaking their tos
fair gull
wait callum i think u dont really understand
fair gull
using the mods isnt forbidden
pale sigil
ik
fair gull
making smth like bd and sharing it
fair gull
they dont want custom clients shared either
as in completely self made
the options to be "legally" in tos are:
- use official clients
- use pre existings mods/custom clients
- make own custom client and dont share
at least from all the bans i have noticed over the years that seems to hold true
pale sigil
wot
fair gull
there were a few people banned way back by discord mods
and a ton of discussion
in certain library servers
plus a nice meme
but idk if i can find the pic
fair gull
trying to find the chat
psure back then jake even clarified
cause some people wanted to make custom clients back then
fuck i cant find it
anyway believe me or dont
idc anymore
pale sigil
its not that i dont belive you
im just one of those people who likes context/source
even for my most trusted friends
reef patrol
That'd be sweet. And I'd honestly be glad to have it be a nitro privilege.
crimson wigeon
But that brings me back to Ripcord why is it still allowed to exist then
crimson wigeon
That's a proper custom homebrew client isn't it
But if custom clients are not at all allowed....
And yet I'm not hearing much about anyone getting banned or anything
zenith sonnet
Anyone know how to properly 'unlimit' a Ryzen CPU? 🤔
Feels like I'm missing something
reef patrol
You just answered your own question, Fleim.
zenith sonnet
I think if Discord started banning people for using 3rd party clients at this time
It would boost their popularity
Right now they seem to be more like a niche thing
With most people not even knowing they exist
hardy idol
I have Discord and Discord PTB
I just made them tiny sizeable
so i shouldn't get problems
i know ppl tht use betterdiscord etc but
that's a bit meh tbh
reef patrol
zenith sonnet
Got flickering and flashing white
Seems to have disappeared setting it to a lower refresh rate
zenith sonnet
Iunno
I need to try again
There's one guy with a 5700 XT that got 9 points more
Although only because of a much higher CPU score
zenith sonnet
If only he weren't running 4 golden chips on custom modded cards under LN2
fair gull
exactly
i can get some abitrary high score with some obscure combo aswell
gt 420
pentium 4
done
fair gull
in the land of overclocking its obscure
zenith sonnet
Also, I beat every single 5700 XT (with a 3700X) on 3DMark in graphics score
Shows that my VII is abandoned, but not forgotten 😂
ashen spindle
700$ card beating a 450$ card? 
fair gull
damn
bro u so good
i mean i barely beat the gtx 750ti with my rtx 2080ti
id still buy the 5700xt
well i mean
beating everyone in the world in FS:E
is kinda nice isnt it
knowing ure the kind of the world
ashen spindle
benchmark
zenith sonnet
@digital cliff Benchmarking and overclocking are, sometimes, fun in itself
Some people play ranked, some just play the game for fun 🤷
Also, it's 30% performance/FPS over stock I can enjoy in any game I want, now
gaunt fern
reef patrol
Hahaha. It's just a temporary Cherry board I had lying around.
fair gull
why is there a hair brush
reef patrol
Because I was in a rush this morning. 😅
fair gull
groomed ur bush down there or what
reef patrol
fallow bison
Test bench looks fab though👌🤤
reef patrol
Can't complain. Asrock Z390 board, 8700K and 16gb 3600mhz RAM.
Gonna be testing new Corsair stuff
fallow bison
Very nice
fair gull
thats an open air chassis bro
reef patrol
It's a testbench strictly speaking.
reef patrol
Gesundheit?
wheat plume
....
old marlin
"trickling"
wheat plume
boi
stop bragging
I get 2mb/s
at maximum
most of the time its 1 or less than 1 -.-
old marlin
L 
reef patrol
Literal throwaway keyboard for me. 😄
old marlin
With lasered caps, sure
At least it uses actual mx switches
And not rubberdome or MY
old marlin
Somebody knows what the slowest cpu is that should fit in the current iteration of the 1151 socket?
reef patrol
Gotta be some kind of dumb Pentium I'm sure 😄
old marlin
Or celeron
reef patrol
Potato Potato.
reef patrol
It's below an i3. I call them all Celerons at that point 😄
old marlin
Btw, not paid with my money, i get it from work
Cheapest mobile "workstation" at the time of order
reef patrol
Now if only Lenovo and friends would stop putting in anything lower than an i3 in laptops. So tired of telling customers cheap laptops struggle with even Netflix 😄
old marlin
Even cheaper than their normal 17" model at the time of order
Has a desktop cpu socket too
So I could upgrade for 9900k if I wanted a mobile electric heater
It can even oc 
zenith sonnet
You can make a benchmark on how quickly you can drain that battery
reef patrol
A series AMD APUs 😄
zenith sonnet
If it burns, you win
reef patrol
I've seen "gamer" PCs with those. From ACER
old marlin
With what?
reef patrol
Literally laptop motherboards mounted into an mATX like case with tiny 40mm fans and all.
reef patrol
And no internal PSU either because it's a lappie. So it has a nice power brick.
zenith sonnet
That's the most I could get out of my RAM so far
3950X does it way better still
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet check if you get better score by enabling MSI mode on all devices
zenith sonnet
MSI mode?
zenith sonnet
I haven't seen a setting like that yet
zenith sonnet
That an OS-level setting?
fickle ore
yeah it forces native PCI-E mode for drivers that don't use it yet
completely gets rid of ISR latency
less system overhead and probably slightly improved score
zenith sonnet
I only have 3.1 and 3.2 and some 2.0 😏
fickle ore
Your on ryzen 3k?
zenith sonnet
Ya
fickle ore
put it on the CPU slot and disable other USB in bios
the CPU slot is afaik 3.1 or 3.2
zenith sonnet
Should be the 3.2, since that depends on the type of CPU used?
fickle ore
not sure on that. There is only like 2 usb ports that go directly to CPU
zenith sonnet
Hmm
fickle ore
maybe mobo manual has info on which ones
zenith sonnet
Then I got 4
fickle ore
This setting is permanent until you reinstall the device drivers. It's very annoying for Nvidia because u have to set it every time u install new driver
one of the reason I go AMD gpu next
zenith sonnet
fickle ore
what's that note*?
zenith sonnet
I got 10 USB connectors on the back
4x 3.1 going to the CPU
1x 3.1 going chipset
1x 3.1 Type C going chipset
4x 2.0 going chipset
fickle ore
you have ryzen 3700x?
zenith sonnet
Yeah
fickle ore
use the Integrated in the CPU, USB 3.2 gen 2, type-A (red)
zenith sonnet
I currently use 6 of these ports:
Mouse
Keyboard
DAC
Mic
Display
Display
I don't use the Display's USB Hubs, I only have them for the OSD control
Which I don't currently need to use any more
fickle ore
just use mouse + keyb in the usb
zenith sonnet
Used to have per game monitor settings on my Eizo
Don't need that with the LG, it can do one setting that fits all
ashen spindle
wait you mean nvidia gpus still cause latency on default bc of something that a post from 2003 shows how to fix
zenith sonnet
Now, to find out with of the 5 red USB ports is tied to the chipset
Every time I hear this sort of thing about Nvidia drivers, I'm happy I don't buy in the average FPS/$ meme
ashen spindle
yeah but you also just ignore how much that actually changes, is it like hyperthreading where it's making nanoseconds differnces only?
fickle ore
nah
MSI mode is quite big difference actually
gets rid of microstutters for me
but I have only 4 core cpu
ashen spindle
so it only matters on low core count cpus or what? from the post I dont see numbers how much it changes or something like that
fickle ore
I linked the pdf
zenith sonnet
Switched the mouse the keyboard to 3.1
ashen spindle
"ISR Latency Normalized to MSI" is all I see in the pdf, no actual numbers unless I missed it?
fickle ore
fickle ore
run that latency tester software for 5 mins and see how much DPC latency is accumulated in that time
then add that for every device the program lists
and consider that time in CPU cycles used
it can tell you far better than I can
zenith sonnet
According to the forum post, I only have 2 devices in line-based intertupt mode: the HDAC
fickle ore
take a screenshot of your device manager
zenith sonnet
zenith sonnet
Maybe that's one of the reasons why Ryzen felt so much better to use?
fickle ore
one of the reasons yeah
zenith sonnet
One thing that completely disappeared, is letters in the chatbox lagging behind when typing
Browser is approximately 5x faster...
All the small things
fickle ore
nvidia/intel suck
zenith sonnet
What are hard pagefaults?
Chromium Edge seems to rack them up quite nicely
Started up HCI, now it's much less
🙃
ashen spindle
what are the numbers you are getting?
fickle ore
did you reboot after setting your audio drivers to MSI mode?
zenith sonnet
Haven't done that yet
fickle ore
oki
fickle ore
I'll run this for 5mins and I'll show you Quintosh
ashen spindle
