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old marlin
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500$ starting price btw

wheat plume
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O.o

old marlin
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Quite normal for custom keyboards

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Multiple cnc parta

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And limited quantities

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Drives up costs

halcyon moss
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I need a new mouse, scrollwheel is fucked and i expect my ninox astrum backing to be a lost cause by now..

old marlin
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Lol

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Handsize?

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like this

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if you want a recommendation

fair gull
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hand size reveal?

latent mural
latent mural
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i did get here from the ads and i need a new keyboard with good switches and i liked what i saw (only one problem i can't order it because i dont have Google pay or paypal / mastercard)

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i can try

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one question what color is the cable? (because it doesn't say the color on the site)

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no where a cable visible it there is only listed in the specs that there is even a cable at all but length and color are no where to be found 😛

reef patrol
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Still no option to avoid a Microsoft account here.

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@zenith sonnet what

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Discussion with Xen the other day. I pointed out needing to not be connected to internet during Win install to have an option to not use an MS account.

fair gull
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usually theres an option to do it without

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the bottom most left

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at least its there for me in 1909 installation media

reef patrol
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There hasn't been for almost half a year. Used to. The installer checks with MS and removes it.

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Hence the need for an unplugged cable.

ashen spindle
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Someone at work noticed that yesterday, for his latest windows install he didn’t need to unplug the cable but had to do so everytime before

dapper ridge
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usually you just need to choose use with windows domain

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and then you can setup offline

reef patrol
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You're thinking of Pro.

dapper ridge
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yer probably right

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I only reinstall pro

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tbh

reef patrol
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I'll try redoing the stick. Maybe they changed some code in the installer to ignore internet toggling.

dapper ridge
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or succumb and let them track you even more precisely with a microsoft account!

pale sigil
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What

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There’s a button saying I can’t get the users login

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Then you click offline account

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Oh apparently windows home forces it now

zenith sonnet
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@reef patrol Can you englishify those buttons?

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I did two days ago and could skip

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He says it's because I provided a generic Win 10 Pro key during install

wheat plume
old marlin
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what?

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what even is that

wheat plume
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OS analytics of viewers of the Baby WOGUE channel

old marlin
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oh

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I can confirm you that most desktop users in germany are windows

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not sure if linux can win against macos

wheat plume
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oo?

old marlin
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cause people say shit like "I am a webdev so I use macos"

pale sigil
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imagine paying 90 quid for a usb c cablee

old marlin
wheat plume
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......

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is facebook

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what you expect?

pale sigil
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You can get the same cable for 10-15 quid

wheat plume
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they want your money AND your personal data

pale sigil
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this is literally recommended by oculus

wheat plume
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O.o

pale sigil
fair gull
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@wheat plume so whats that pie chart going to tell us?

wheat plume
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OS analytics of viewers of the Baby WOGUE channel

fair gull
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yes but how is that interesting

pale sigil
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time to check how - i am in my bank 😄

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-3.45

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less than i thought

wheat plume
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I thought mine was low

pale sigil
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im running out of savings

fair gull
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like its statistics of a tech youtuber or smth

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so obviously linux is high af

old marlin
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yea

reef patrol
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I'm not using keys during install.

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And there's no option, Callum. Not here 😄

zenith sonnet
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Tried the 1usmus plan, but Ryzen Balanced is best after all

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Curious: I'm seeing 4500MHz on my 3700X
I made sure to force PBO off in BIOS, though

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Testing RAM now

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Seems to hold itself well even without CPU fan

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That's about as hot as it could get

reef patrol
zenith sonnet
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If this passes 100% in HCI with stock XMP settings, ima start OCing

dapper ridge
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bootiful

tawny prism
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The only thing I can fathom is that they're still making 10/15k SAS drives for existing raids, and they sell those heatsinks separately, so might as well.

dapper ridge
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well also, cheaper

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and great cache drives

tawny prism
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Decent SSD's are half the price.

dapper ridge
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not business class ones I dont think

tawny prism
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Velociraptors are consumer/enthusiast drives

dapper ridge
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oh shit

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did not see it was a Velociraptor

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yeah nvmd then

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fuck that drive

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why is it being sold

tawny prism
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I can ALMOST see some use cases for it in like high-throughput workstations? Like if you're really going to max a drive out for 25,000 hours straight.

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It'll last longer than an SSD and for like render farms random seek isn't that big of a deel

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But even then just just run a raid for that.

dapper ridge
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well at that rpm

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its gonna die fast

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should get some great speeds tho fo sho

tawny prism
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Nah, that's why they bolted it to the giant heat-sink.

dapper ridge
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heatsink wont protect it from general wear and tear, just damage from heat

fair gull
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psure those arent being made anymore

tawny prism
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I know Seagate stopped, never heard about WD.

fair gull
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psure thats old new stock

tawny prism
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I know WD still makes 10/15k rpm SAS drives.

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Just for legacy raids

crimson wigeon
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Need more SSDs

dapper ridge
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120?

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240?

crimson wigeon
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Bigger ones too

dapper ridge
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@tawny prism y

pale sigil
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Why a 120

tawny prism
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The 240's for my OS and background apps, 1tb for games, and the 120gb for hiberfile and page filing

dapper ridge
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are you running windows?

tawny prism
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Yeah

dapper ridge
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oof

tawny prism
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I need it for Adobe and Autodesk unfortunately

dapper ridge
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I tried the small ssd big ssd thing once

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the headache with some software became too much

tawny prism
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I'm on Fusion360 and Blender.

dapper ridge
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I did get a completely seperate system setup tho

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where Program Files and Program Files (x86) were on their own drive

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my god that was a pain

fair gull
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just a few ssds

tawny prism
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It is, but fusion360's nothing native.

dapper ridge
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well good luck Ohzza

tawny prism
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The only problem I forsee is my SSD I'm currently using for my OS is fucking dead

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Like it has a sustained write of a few dozen kilobytes/s

dapper ridge
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do you monitor its health?

tawny prism
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So everything goes in bursts, and then freezes windows

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I do not

dapper ridge
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kinda a must with ssd

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I'd recommend it

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write speeds could be related to Windows tho

tawny prism
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Nah I ran crazydiskinfo in linux on a liveusb and it did the same thing.

dapper ridge
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verify its health

tawny prism
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I might try screwing with it further after I get my new drives.

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But it's around 7 years old.

dapper ridge
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yikes

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that is some old ssd tech

tawny prism
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Oh, 5 years old I guess. Plus I haven't gotten any of the health-check software to work on it

dapper ridge
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HWinfo usually shows all info you could want to know

zenith sonnet
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Except IF clock

dapper ridge
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fair

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I monitor my ssds with linux

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so i just use whatever the terminal command is

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smartmontools

tawny prism
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Oh, HWinfo works. CrystalDisk can't read through my SAS controller

tawny prism
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Well shit, now I'm not sure about the old SSD.

dapper ridge
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rofi confirmation menu I just finished building

pale sigil
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Why not yes

dapper ridge
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The theme of this is kinda about inconsistencies

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and I think Yes is too affirmative

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I wanted to give it more character than a yes

pale sigil
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yes

dapper ridge
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they send it to a recycling plant and melt it down so they an create new memory

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idfk

pale sigil
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yes

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yes

dapper ridge
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hmm

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no

dapper ridge
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my favorite windows touch screen glitch

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is this one where when you touch the screen the computer decides to lock and shut down the display

wheat plume
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I missed the W I D E N E S S of this monitor

feral jolt
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Is that monitor 5000 pixels across

wheat plume
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2560

feral jolt
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Not wide enough then

wheat plume
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xd

dapper ridge
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bleh

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I cant find it

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there are these displays that are like several feet side

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for use in like malls and the like

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for ads

wheat plume
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I can imagine how horrible that would be to scroll a mouse across

dapper ridge
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the mouse is a primitive interface for such a screen

wheat plume
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touch screen ftw

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except when the screen is so far under the screen that it takes a really realy hard press to get it to know you tapped it

harsh terrace
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Got an idea for some weekend project

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I'd take the GPU from my old PC and install it in my current rig, Windows 10 should normally support GTX 1070 Ti and Radeon R9 290 plugged to the mobo

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With drivers installed ofc

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Then install a VM through VirtualBox and force 3D rendering and video encoding to be done on that secondary GPU

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Find some spare mouse and keyboard and attach them to the VM somehow

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And finally run the same game on host on first screen and on VM on the other screen

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Just, would that work

harsh terrace
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Also assuming my PSU won't explode with that

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Thanks for the tip

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Do you think my 650 W PSU could handle two GPUs and a Ryzen 7

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With least probability of encountering a surprise bsod

dapper ridge
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what gpus @harsh terrace

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ah

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I see

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appologies

harsh terrace
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Yes

dapper ridge
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hot dam that is a hungry radeon card

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I mean

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sure

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but

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it needs like 100watts more than the 1070 ti

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yeah

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I mean in theory

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he will probably never max it out

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but

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it could happen

harsh terrace
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At this point might me more efficient to run games at lowest settings with one gpu

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Rather than go over the PSU wattage

dapper ridge
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I mean that is like 280 for radeon, 180 for 1070 ti, 80 for cpu, 100ish for mobo, nother 100 for rest of system

harsh terrace
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Besides, it's rather an experiment than something built for active use

dapper ridge
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I mean

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will it kill your system?

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no

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could your pc randomly crash?

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yes

harsh terrace
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Only advantage of that setup could potentially be using both cards for DX12 games under regular circumstances

dapper ridge
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eh

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tbh I used to have an r9 285 and a gtx 960 ti

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the radeon never did much for me

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although

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only had dx11 back then

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so

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maybe you can have better luck

harsh terrace
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Well all that matters is whether it pushes these extra frames or not

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Still, both cards will be bottlenecked by running in 8x mode

dapper ridge
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well I ran for a while with only 750 watts I think?

plush summit
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does nvidea still make the best/fastest gpus?

dapper ridge
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imo yes

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until amd maybe reveals their next ones

plush summit
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or does it depend on a work load and if you want compute you should go with ibm

dapper ridge
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some eleaks

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I think nvidia is leader in ai style shit and gaming

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but AMD is looking to make a comeback I think

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unless Nvidia blows them out of the water with the 3000 series

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oof

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shintel you mean

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I love my ryzen 7

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fuk dat i7 6700k I had previously

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nah

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go back to your commodore

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heh

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it let me

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smh

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this name is rediculous

plush summit
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I want standardized plugs

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And voltages

pale sigil
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@proud nacelle chargers not plugs

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It’s about the whole usb 3.1, lightning, usb c, all the different confusing ass wires now

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I hate your plugs

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They get so loose

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I’d rather have a secure plug than a long one that bends etc

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In all my time and experience with foreign plugs they are loose and shit

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Type c drives me nuts

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Arc?

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Rarely

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Seriously tho

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Type C is the bane of my fucking life

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For some reason if you order any electric devices when it comes to health care it’s always type c

pale sigil
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Tempted to install MAC OSX on my spare SSD lol

dapper ridge
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is it a mac device?

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or do you plan to emulate it

old marlin
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@pale sigil just accept that type g isn't 100% ideal

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Leaves too much room for error

old marlin
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fml I ordered that 48 euro ssd before

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and gls didn't find my door and gave me no option to give them how to find it

solemn needle
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GLS is shitty as hell.

old marlin
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Yea

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Worst one yet

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Not sure if they even try to deliver again

solemn needle
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they try to deliver tomorrow again

old marlin
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Oh ok

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Still bad

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As long as they don't ship back

solemn needle
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after the 3-4 retry they will do that

old marlin
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Rip

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Not even to the next gls shop?

solemn needle
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nope. but you can try to redirect it

reef patrol
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Never ever ship to door. Always work or pickup

fickle ore
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humhum

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this year gonna update my sandy to amd 4000

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wonder if they release in the summer

fickle ore
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yeah I had to skip that

crimson wigeon
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Yeah.. I should probably upgrade too, this thing's really showing its age

thick elk
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probably going to stick to just upgrading my gpu myself once there is a good step up within reason from the gtx 1080 preferably on amd's side

old marlin
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Great my ssd is in some gls shop now

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Not even close to me

ashen spindle
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3000 Series is probably a good upgrade this year, gonna get a 1080 upgrade this year too. Amd you’ll probably have to wait till next year, mayyyybe this year with not great software

ashen spindle
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God I hate amd fans so much sometimes. 5600xt got new bios that makes it run better and people again think amd „jebaited“ Nvidia

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When it’s just a sign that the software team at RTG is still having issues to have stuff ready and working on release

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Well I don’t care about comments or such, more towards sites/channels who do that, that I used to enjoy

pale sigil
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I’ve officially bought the worst mouse mat ever made

ashen spindle
ashen spindle
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is that a mouse mat or a carpet

pale sigil
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🤣

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This is for sure going back

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i wasn't expecting anything super fancy/high quality but this is abysmal

dapper ridge
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that is what the countries will look like after ww3

zenith sonnet
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@ashen spindle It's not that they're having issues, it's their response to Nvidia cutting prices on the 2060 in response to the 5600 XT
So in a way they 'one-upped' them

ashen spindle
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they did not one up them

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if they had the stuff ready before they would've given it out earlier

zenith sonnet
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What stuff ready?

ashen spindle
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the updated bios/drivers they just sent out that gave more performance to the cards

zenith sonnet
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They upped the specs, yes

ashen spindle
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it's the whole fine wine bullshit again I ranted about last month or so

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no they did not physically change anything, they changed the bios

zenith sonnet
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There's no fine wine about higher clocks and more memory bandwidth

ashen spindle
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well apparently it wasn't working/not stable enough or whatever before and they only managed to make it work consistently now

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if they would've used the "new specs" on release, nvidia would've still dropped prices the same ammount

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if nvidia really wouldn't know but want to offer more, they'd just drop the prices more

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like there's absolutely no change

zenith sonnet
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It's been working on the 5700
They clearly but higher quality memory chips on the 5600 then they needed to to reach the original specs. Can't tell me that was an accident

ashen spindle
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please just stop this 5d chess bullshit

zenith sonnet
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What the hell is 5d chess?

ashen spindle
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tell me how and what amd would gain from it, aside from being able to post "jebaited" on twitter

zenith sonnet
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Sales. The 5600 XT is an amazing deal now

ashen spindle
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???

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how are they getting more sales if they release the "actual" bios later, after announcing a weaker one

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instead of using that from the start

zenith sonnet
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It was already positioned well with the initial specs. Now it's the clearly superior choice

ashen spindle
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again, what is the point of announcing it to be weaker than it is, if they had this all planned

zenith sonnet
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They could have sold chips with lower binning perhaps? Maybe they planned with a lower power target? Maybe it was all a marketing ruse? I dunno. What's it matter? Specs are what they are now, and it's looking good

ashen spindle
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or, hear me out, the most likely thing, as evidenced by the other recent launches, their software team just hangs behind the hardware guys and thus they couldn't deliver it earlier

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and the lower binning chips is what the 5600xt already is

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chips not good enough for a 5700

zenith sonnet
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Don't think the software guys are doing that bad
Love using their new softwares, its smooth, intuitive, easy to use, much better than most other stuff

Not sure if they write BIOS firmwares, though?

ashen spindle
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well I doubt it's gonna write itself

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and the gpu really doesn't care about the UX of your interaction tool

zenith sonnet
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BIOS is probably written by the hardware guys themselves

ashen spindle
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ok sure, then maybe the hardware guys who are also working on the bios suck at doing that or whatever, really doesn't matter how it works

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also imagine how much shit intel or nvidia would get for purposefully if they'd withold a better driver/bios/etc. on release when they have something better

zenith sonnet
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Pretty sure they do it all the time
Just release them as 'Super' or 'Ti' or 'KS' :p

ashen spindle
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...

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yea because those are totally just different software settings

zenith sonnet
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Sometimes

ashen spindle
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none of your examples are

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not really, no

zenith sonnet
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Yes really, so

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At least momentarily

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Funny thought rn: AMD are like WW2 Germany

ashen spindle
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so rising right now and then dying to intel and nvidia? please no

zenith sonnet
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Question is: which one is russia?

ashen spindle
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arm

dapper ridge
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so does that mean there will be a cold war between intel and arm?

ashen spindle
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didn't say intel is US, did I? BlueBreadThinking

dapper ridge
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no but intel is the only thing that applies

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unless yer saying arm is gonna take on the gpu game

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I mean you did not specify 🤷‍♂️

tawny prism
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There's already a cold war between ARM/Quallcom and Intel

reef patrol
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It's a bit mind blowing how much hardware is sold every day. I'm prepping an order from our suppliers at the work I work at. I look at the 3800X from Ryzen that I need for a customer build.

Most suppliers have like a handful...and then there's one with seven - thousand of them in stock.

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Jeeeeesus

zenith sonnet
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Isn't the 3800X one with the lowest sales numbers among Ryzen CPUs?

reef patrol
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shrug

It's a lot cheaper than the 3900's

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Customer wanted a streaming and editing PC with more power than Ryzen / i7

ashen spindle
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so you went and made him a w-3175x pc right?

reef patrol
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Aha 😄

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Ahahahaha

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1000 € budget.

zenith sonnet
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How much are 3800X's now?

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My 3700X's were like 210€

ashen spindle
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?????????

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3700x was 330 msrp on launch

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where did you steal from

zenith sonnet
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I may be wrong

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Yes, totally remembered wrong
Those were the 3600X prices, lol

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324€ for mine

reef patrol
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Our 3800Xs are a whopping 480€

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But I gave him a discount on the entire build to offset some of this.

ashen spindle
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wtf thats price for a 3900x lmao

reef patrol
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We don't stock CPUs like this normally.

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For a grand he's getting the 3800X, a B450 (ROG) 32gb RAM and a 500gb Evo NVME

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And having it built and set up of course.

ashen spindle
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what speed/timing for the ram?

reef patrol
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Plain ole' regular 3000Mhz Aegis sticks from G.Skill.

ashen spindle
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eh

reef patrol
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Realistically we're earning about 200€ on building him a new PC - Without taking into account how much shipping we have to pay for to get the parts in stock.

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And work hours 😄

ashen spindle
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oh yeah I get it from a vendor point, just reaffirms me being glad I can build my own to get more value :p

reef patrol
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Most system builders in Denmark will earn roughly 70-80€ for each PC they build.

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It's a very cutthroat market.

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If we sell a new laptop from say Acer... half that for just handing it over.

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So yeah... building PCs won't make you rich here.

zenith sonnet
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How much are your 3900X's?

reef patrol
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They're more than the 9900K

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Which is ridiculous

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TLDR; Customer used his PC as a mixer unit and streaming to Twitch or somesuch. But the motherboard had died, and trying to find a 4th gen board for a 4770K is impossible at this point (unless used - and we don't do used as a retailer)

zenith sonnet
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I'd get a 3900X over a 9900K any day, though

reef patrol
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For sure. But the price difference wasn't small.

zenith sonnet
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That's odd, tbh

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How much?

reef patrol
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It was like 130€ difference I think.

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And sure the 3900X has more cores. But AMD is usually cheaper 😄

zenith sonnet
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499€ for one in Germany

reef patrol
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Our prices can be all over the place if they're not part of our regular stock.

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And even then we're usually not exactly in the top three pricewise, because we don't buy enough at a time to get the best prices.

zenith sonnet
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359€ for the 3800X

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And that's consumer price, TAX included

reef patrol
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Suffice to say I don't exactly enjoy this aspect of my job 😄

zenith sonnet
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518€ for a 9900K, so more expensive than the 3900X

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Where do you have to buy to see such ridiculous prices?

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Couldn't you have ordered one off Alternate or Mindfactory for at least 100€ less?

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Or gone to the next electronics store?

reef patrol
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Not in charge - I just work here Esse!

fair gull
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done coding my arduino

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was surprisingly easy to make an adapter for the remote shutter release

zenith sonnet
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The poor guy :p

reef patrol
fair gull
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again?

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REPOST

reef patrol
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Dang it

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Didn't know it had already been posted.

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I blame YT. It sucks at keeping track of what I watch.

fair gull
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i forgive u mansen

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not everyone can be a tech god like smea

reef patrol
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😄

latent mural
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So, midi output... that's a cool thing right?

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Like... we should totes have that

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/nod

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Hypothetically, if someone wanted to really add that to a hypothetical Wooting 2 they just purchased.... how might one start?

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However, until my Wooting gets here in a few days I can't try it out.

fair gull
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@latent mural Outdated code btw

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this works with the new analog sdk

cunning mesa
fickle ore
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the mcu works internally at 8khz

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the SPI asks the sensor and mouse clicks for data every 125us

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USB is hard to overclock to ask data at 8khz, its possible via 3rd party USB 3.0 driver but requires driver signing

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normal windows install wont allow it

cunning mesa
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@fickle ore that makes more sense yeah ^^

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i am happy with my razer hypflux but when will wooting release a mouse ^^

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ohh

thick elk
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As for disabling driver verification: have fun running anything using Easy Anti Cheat.

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Unless they changed something in the last few years

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Fair enough, it just annoyed me when I was messing around with unsigned drivers and I got blocked there.
Do note that running unsigned drivers where not a problem if you run 32bit windows

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true, It has something to do with the way verification wasn't really a big thing in the past and in 32bit there was a large degree of backwards compatibility in drivers.

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I still think it is silly to block unsigned drivers as that has never really been a big attack vector for cheats.

ashen spindle
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yeah because EAC is from windows waitwhat

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okay and that harms you how exactly?

fickle ore
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anything to harm power users -Windows
@digital cliff yep, they could have setting in control panel to set usb polling rate but no

zenith sonnet
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Don't they have it in the registry?

fickle ore
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ofcourse not

safe patrol
pale sigil
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sweet jesus

safe patrol
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I need SILENCE

pale sigil
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ill come around and scream reeeee

safe patrol
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:p

wheat plume
zenith sonnet
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ProcODT is weird

carmine flicker
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how the hell I can close Ubuntu password dialog except entering every goddamn time?

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I'm the only one using the computer and now I started to hate tenkeyless keyboards in general.......

zenith mirage
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Macro your password Eyes

halcyon moss
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I dont understand what you mean. twice

old marlin
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?

hardy idol
#

lol

old marlin
#

from the official spec sheet I might add

hardy idol
#

you're german, right

old marlin
#

yea

hardy idol
#

since kontrast

#

yh

#

ah, das ist geil

#

ich wohne in die niederlande

#

idk if that made sense or not

old marlin
#

you got the article for niederlande wrong but I get that those are hard for most foreigners

hardy idol
#

ah

fair gull
#

@old marlin dont see anything wrong there

#

next thing i know u wamnA tell me its der gerade kurve

old marlin
#

you have to use "der"

#

which is the uhhhhh form

#

of die

#

still a female version

#

although der is usually male

fair gull
#

ik that its das gerade kurve tho

old marlin
#

aaaaaaa

fair gull
#

unless u dont like straight curves

hardy idol
#

hmm

#

@fair gull @old marlin
what curves

old marlin
#

straight ones

hardy idol
#

hm

zenith sonnet
#

I like curves with bounce

fair gull
#

thats called boobs

wheat plume
#

:')

#

Hnnnnnnnnnggggggggg gimme

dapper ridge
#

wat

#

that starting price is a bit insane

fair gull
#

lol

#

so

#

thats what open source free linux turned into

#

apple 2.0

dapper ridge
#

I like how superior cooling is a specification

pale sigil
#

Missed this phone so much

fair gull
#

why do u have a fax app tho

zenith mirage
thick elk
zenith sonnet
reef patrol
#

Typical AMD 😦

hardy idol
#

it's not bad tbh

#

AMD is better than novideo

ashen spindle
#

nice to see that at 300 you can basically chose either one and get the same performance basically

#

so you can get whatever your local store has a deal on kinda

hardy idol
#

get AMD

#

The answer is always AMD, unless you need a super high performance laptop

ashen spindle
#

no the answer is always get whats better for the money you want to pay

hardy idol
#

the better money is always amd cuz open source drivers.
novideo has some sort of open source stuff but it's not good.

#

xd

ashen spindle
#

sure if you want to work on drivers maybe, for normal consumers you shouldn't care what the name on your card says

hardy idol
#

nah, it's just that amd is a bit better at everything xd

ashen spindle
#

except fps, which is what i want from my gpu

reef patrol
#

Don' get me wrong - I want AMD to succeed to force nVidia to respond.

But... they're making it hard to love em.

Bad BIOS just before release (Reviewers HATE this), but nVidia has done the same with withholding drivers from reviewers till the final 24 hours before.

High power usage - I mean... come on.

hardy idol
#

dont worry i have a 2080

#

because there isn't an AMD option in the GX701

#

oh and yes

#

@reef patrol
I agree on the power usage

#

but

#

takes longer to heat up my room since i replaced my vega64

ashen spindle
#

just mine more btc

hardy idol
#

@digital cliff
It also says alifa

#

i think its a secret app with content from mia kh-alifa

#

oh wait

#

its a app faxing you content from her

#

god i am 200iq

#

I'm always right

ashen spindle
#

quick turn left

hardy idol
#

-__-

wheat plume
#

Perfection

hardy idol
#

wow

#

that looks great

wheat plume
#

Yass

ashen spindle
#

it looks like someone dipped pH-Paper into something acidic

wheat plume
hardy idol
#

wow

wheat plume
#

Xd

hardy idol
#

that tickles my fancy more than it should

#

lana how do i i get it like that

#

more like

#

deepinmyanOS

wheat plume
#

Xddd

hardy idol
wheat plume
#

G style module in magisk

hardy idol
#

uhh

#

i dont know what youre doing or what that is

#

ah

#

uh

wheat plume
#

@digital cliff nah xd

#

Unlock bootloader
Install magisk
Install magisk manager app
Go to magisk manager and download and install the module

hardy idol
#

is it scary

wheat plume
#

Nahhh

hardy idol
#

ye i dont know tbh

wheat plume
#

Unless you think scrolling text in recovery is scary

ashen spindle
#

very scary

wheat plume
#

:')

#

You do lose all your data on the phone

#

;_;

hardy idol
#

why

wheat plume
#

That's the bad part

#

Cause security reasons apparently

hardy idol
#

hm

#

i cant afford to lose my data

wheat plume
#

Ahh

hardy idol
#

hmm

hardy idol
#

oh

#

@wheat plume
Do you also have the waterproof app?

fair gull
#

this is the 20th os i saw today

#

from lana

hardy idol
fair gull
#

yes

ashen spindle
#

I think we might be at the point where a #ui channel or so would be a idea to think about

hardy idol
#

oh nvm i get it

wheat plume
#

@hardy idol yeh
I installed it and dunked my phone into the bath

hardy idol
#

ah yeah

ashen spindle
#

I mean proportionally to the ammoun of posts, it'd wouldn't be much of an overkill :p

hardy idol
#

hmm

fair gull
#

@digital cliff the channel would be filled with posts by lana only anyway

wheat plume
#

Xd

hardy idol
#

do u also have windows ui improvement stuff

#

hh

ashen spindle
#

lana on windows KEKW

wheat plume
#

Ew

hardy idol
#

haha

wheat plume
#

:') I do and I hate it

hardy idol
wheat plume
#

Lel

fair gull
#

lana only knows windows from r/unixelitism

hardy idol
#

School stuff

#

..

wheat plume
#

Yeh

#

There is one module in college I need windows for

ashen spindle
#

just ditch any school programs not linux compatible eh?

hardy idol
#

@wheat plume
Confusing part of linux for me is trying to do (anything)
I forget like everything

wheat plume
#

And it's shit we could do on other software even more easily

hardy idol
#

oh

fair gull
#

only thing i need linux for is uh....

#

uh

#

shit

#

nothing

ashen spindle
#

darn

fair gull
#

guess ill keep not using linux

hardy idol
#

I would use linux but I wouldn't be able to play The Crew 2 anymore and I need Solidworks for school

fair gull
#

id use linux but id rather stay with windows

#

cause games

hardy idol
#

@wheat plume
If I can run Solidworks on linux without problems, I might dual boot

#

I know how to set up ze grub etc

#

sort of

fair gull
#

run linux and use a windows vm

hardy idol
#

I tried several debian distros and manjaro
tried arch but arch is too hard

wheat plume
#

Arch is hard to install for sure

hardy idol
#

@digital cliff
you can't run anything without issues on tht

fair gull
#

gentoo bro gentoo

wheat plume
#

Ew

#

Xd

#

Jk

hardy idol
#

ahh

#

it's nice

#

yeh

fair gull
#

im only on windows for games and the easy double click to install shit from the net

ashen spindle
#

isn't that illegal in finnland?

dapper ridge
#

lfs or die

ashen spindle
#

hello confused

dapper ridge
#

oof

wheat plume
#

You only need to click one button and give your password to install software on Manjaro

dapper ridge
#

ease of install != good tho

hardy idol
#

@wheat plume
I could dual boot, yes?
But I'd end up just booting to windows for like forever

dapper ridge
#

if windows just do wsl or wsl2

#

no point in linux

fair gull
#

same

dapper ridge
#

wsl2 can do docker and basically anything

#

I mean heck

#

you can build android like it is native linux on wsl2

hardy idol
#

Like, I could make another partition

dapper ridge
#

but why

hardy idol
#

linux install

#

but i'd end up only using windows

dapper ridge
#

exactly

hardy idol
#

and that's not what i want xd

dapper ridge
#

just use wsl or wsl2

hardy idol
#

and that is?

ashen spindle
#

yea so use wsl if you're on windows mostly

dapper ridge
#

Windows subsystem for linux

#

basically a linux vm built into windows

#

runs linux things

fair gull
#

actually better than a vm soon

dapper ridge
#

can run like ubuntu, debian and SUES atm

#

well wsl2

#

is a vm

fair gull
#

cause they want to integrate the linux kernel into the win kernel

#

for full hw access

dapper ridge
#

article?

hardy idol
#

uhhhh

fair gull
#

dunno read it like 4months ago

ashen spindle
#

yea I read that too a while ago

dapper ridge
#

I want to read it too

#

😦

reef patrol
#

Bloat!

fair gull
#

so why use linux if i can get both

#

without dualboot

hardy idol
dapper ridge
#

that seems like a misreport

#

this talks about using hyperv

fair gull
#

weird that i dont have hyperv but can run wsl2

dapper ridge
#

yep, they said you dont need to install it

#

in the QA

#

yes

#

but I think it supports standard xorg style stuff

#

so you can run desktop apps in linux using x11 ssh shit

fair gull
#

u can do that in wsl1 aswell

dapper ridge
#

yesir

hardy idol
dapper ridge
#

the only reason I am excited for wsl2 is better performance and better low level access, ie actual working docker

fair gull
#

like no joke microsoft is growing on me lately mostly cause they for some reason open source a shit ton of win10 apps

dapper ridge
#

it is a trick

#

im waiting for them to do something corporate that shows their true nature

#

kinda like the santa hat bs

fair gull
#

i think they actually wanna go more open source

hardy idol
#

eh

old marlin
#

microsoft is improving a lot in the last 2 years

fair gull
#

like dont get me wrong

ashen spindle
#

I mean a big part is that it also helps them keep people on windows if they just provide most of what linux offers

fair gull
#

they will prob never do their entire os opensource

dapper ridge
#

well its only like 1tb of source

old marlin
#

you forget how much legacy code is in there

dapper ridge
#

I only use Windows for gaming

old marlin
#

at least they don't change in every version how to set a static network interface unlike some linux distros kekw

fair gull
#

@digital cliff thats what wsl2 is about

old marlin
#

I mean

#

you can have a linux cli in windows

fair gull
#

running linux kernel as close as possible besides win kernel

old marlin
#

as a window

fair gull
#

and with wsl2 u get full hw access

dapper ridge
#

then winux

fair gull
#

so u could just run everything through it

dapper ridge
#

next step to destroy linux once and for all

hardy idol
#

SNIFF

dapper ridge
#

wsl2

fair gull
#

tayko bro

dapper ridge
#

what do you need that wsl2 cant do

old marlin
#

well not really microsofts part of the work what you want there

fair gull
#

implementing a foss kernel is not foss enough

dapper ridge
#

FLOSS or FOSS sir

old marlin
#

yea

#

obv microsoft wants their OS to be the host OS

fair gull
#

its not like they hide the kernel

#

lol

old marlin
#

in the end they are still a company that works by selling licenses

dapper ridge
#

mostly seems they feed off of their SAS these days tho

fair gull
#

yep

dapper ridge
#

I mean they dont really sell licenses anymore

#

been watching their business license portal slowly collect dust

old marlin
#

uhhm

#

not privately

fair gull
#

better not buy a pc then tino

#

thats capitalism

old marlin
#

put in the end they have employees that need to get paid

dapper ridge
#

they are makig a big push with server 2019 to go to azure

old marlin
#

azure is just insanely expensive

dapper ridge
#

and a windows server license isnt?

old marlin
#

well

#

with azure you might not even get one lol

dapper ridge
#

Azure you dont need one

old marlin
#

also true

dapper ridge
#

No longer need a Domain controller, you can host your apps without a vm

#

most of their services are now SAS

#

servers are a dying breed in a Microsoft ecosystem

fair gull
#

thats why i run an nt4 server

old marlin
#

windows PE best version

dapper ridge
#

oof

hardy idol
#

windows 9 best

dapper ridge
#

I use vista because printers are suck

fair gull
#

nein

hardy idol
#

ja

old marlin
#

they had a good reason to skip 9

fair gull
#

i use mini xp cause untraceable

hardy idol
#

hmm

dapper ridge
#

I use bsd because down with capitalists

fair gull
#

u better also not buy anything anymore

#

u capitalist scum

old marlin
#

is there any big BSD besides freenas though

dapper ridge
#

I like openbsd

fair gull
#

@old marlin macos

old marlin
#

lol

#

was that BSD?

dapper ridge
#

no

old marlin
#

didn't they ditch that plan

dapper ridge
#

pretty sure its just a custom rendition of unix still

fair gull
ashen spindle
#

I run my pc on a potato, grown by my comrades to fight the Bourgeoisie

dapper ridge
#

radish is more communist you capitalist swine

fair gull
#

at least one person actually going against capitaslism

#

@dapper ridge shut up u pc buying capitalist swine

dapper ridge
#

cant prove it

fair gull
#

send stats of ur pc

#

now

dapper ridge
#

this work one?

fair gull
#

HA

#

U GET MONEY

dapper ridge
#

no

fair gull
#

CAPITALIST SWINE

dapper ridge
#

I work for the glory of our people

old marlin
#

if I think of communist computers I can only think of robotron

#

their stuff was at least outdated by a decade when the wall came down

dapper ridge
#

the past is best left forgotten

#

lest the capitalists use it to poison your thoughts

fair gull
#

@old marlin oi dont u dare say smth bad about our communist brothers

old marlin
#

lol

#

well

#

they had hall effect keyboards

#

quite a lot

#

not sure if they were all the same design

#

or if east germany developed their own one

dapper ridge
#

what do you expect, they were the pinnacle of superior tech before the wall came down

old marlin
fair gull
#

m8 we still use east german tech in east germany

old marlin
#

not sure if this is a pinnacle

#

cause tech wasn't paid by the sozi kekw

fair gull
#

they had removeable switches

#

obviously pinnacle of tech

dapper ridge
#

^

old marlin
#

btw just from keycap color the robotron boards look even more outdated

hardy idol
#

4rdchf5rg fhvtbyunj kmu,li.;o[p]'\

fair gull
#

oh and uh i guess wooting gets sued soon

#

by remaining robotron patent holders

#

guess we wont get lekker

old marlin
dapper ridge
#

10 years from now

#

when we are living in flying cars and shit

hardy idol
fair gull
#

12

#

fucking

#

12

#

programmable buttons

hardy idol
#

?

fair gull
#

how is that not ahead of the curve

old marlin
#

well

#

was normal back then

hardy idol
#

I also have 12 buttons you may program

fair gull
#

shut ur potato hole

hardy idol
#

oh

fair gull
#

or ill stuff a carrot sideways up ur bum

#

not u violet btw

#

ik ure into that shit

dapper ridge
hardy idol
#

uhh

#

uh?

fair gull
#

btw love the "clear" pcb style

hardy idol
#

so what

fair gull
#

i wish i could get those made

hardy idol
#

@digital cliff huh?

#

what is the problem

fair gull
#

uh

dapper ridge
#

uh

hardy idol
#

ah okay

#

oh

#

no

#

i misperceived

ashen spindle
#

no that's the trick, tino is always hostile

dapper ridge
#

he is a flame

hardy idol
#

oh

old marlin
#

btw this is what the west had

hardy idol
#

@digital cliff
sina olet sopo

fair gull
#

fuck the capitalist west

old marlin
#

feels like they just made it purely to flex

hardy idol
#

sinä olet söpö

#

aye

old marlin
#

the ä, ö and ü?

#

ez

#

what about the ß though

#

#

best letter

hardy idol
#

thats just a B

old marlin
#

completely unused btw

fair gull
#

did u just say ß is unused

old marlin
#

nah

hardy idol
#

.

old marlin
#

ẞ is unused

fair gull
#

thats just uppercase ß tho

old marlin
#

yea

fair gull
#

for words starting with ß

old marlin
#

unused

#

yea

fair gull
#

like

old marlin
#

which there are 0 of

hardy idol
#

ok

fair gull
#

no there is a word

old marlin
#

it is so unused it wasn't even an official letter until 2017

fair gull
#

#

psure no programming lang can use toUpperCase on that

#

so who cares

old marlin
#

yea

#

why should it

fair gull
#

maybe i wanna shout words

old marlin
#

only one keyboard layout has it natively

fair gull
#

like STRAßE

old marlin
#

and it is one of the worst versions of ISO

reef patrol
#

Fleim is like cuddly bear. He can't hurt anyone - Except if you touch his sauna

old marlin
#

you mean STRAẞE

dapper ridge
hardy idol
#

@reef patrol
saunas are godly

#

i used to like them

fair gull
#

WHAT

#

the fuck

#

WHA

hardy idol
#

?

reef patrol
old marlin
#

oh wait

fair gull
#

since when

old marlin
#

ßifizierung

#

exists now

hardy idol
#

ßlitzkrieg

fair gull
#

uh no

old marlin
#

ß is more like two s

hardy idol
#

SS?

old marlin
#

not a 🅱️

hardy idol
#

even worse

fair gull
#

its called sharp s

hardy idol
#

SS

old marlin
#

or "eszett"

hardy idol
#

OOF

fair gull
#

ya when u say it by itself u pronounce it s z

hardy idol
#

oh ok

#

also

fair gull
#

didnt even know js transforms ß to SS when to upper cased

hardy idol
#

hm

dapper ridge
#

my german friend was confused why I asked him about ß

hardy idol
#

@digital cliff
how hot do u like saunas

fair gull
#

python cant handle ß

#

nice

dapper ridge
#

python is the best programming lang

hardy idol
#

oh ok

#

so,

#

finnish lower end of the spectrum

#

thats still like 90C

dapper ridge
#

👀

#

90 c

#

the fuck

hardy idol
#

?

dapper ridge
#

that's hot

fair gull
#

cs does the expected

hardy idol
#

in a sauna its okay

#

ah

#

70 or something then?

dapper ridge
#

I hate Celcius

hardy idol
#

and i hate you

dapper ridge
#

your hate fuels me

fair gull
#

how can one hate celsius

hardy idol
#

@digital cliff
I used to like saunas but not anymore

dapper ridge
#

it confuses me

hardy idol
#

but yes 70C is nice

fair gull
#

@dapper ridge do u even know what the fahrenheit scale is based on

dapper ridge
#

im on team Fahrenheit

hardy idol
#

fahrenheit scale makes no sense

fair gull
#

the freezing temp of some crappy brine

dapper ridge
#

sure it makes no sense

hardy idol
#

yh

dapper ridge
#

but I dont know celcius

#

you say 90 degrees and I go

hardy idol
#

TEACH YOURSELF

dapper ridge
#

ah

#

nice and comfortable

#

and then I go

#

wait

ashen spindle
#

0C is ice, 100c is steam, there you go

dapper ridge
#

no

#

hot

fair gull
#

0°C = freezing point of water
100°C = boiling point of water

dapper ridge
#

no shit

#

I know that shit

fair gull
#

ya so how is it confusing

dapper ridge
#

but I have no real reference for it

fair gull
#

buy celsius sclaes

#

and only use celsius

dapper ridge
#

why

#

literally why

hardy idol
#

@digital cliff
should i learn finnish

fair gull
#

so u have refs

#

and celsius isnt a caveman unit where drunk mathematicians rolled dice

dapper ridge
#

then become an outcast

hardy idol
#

yeah uh

dapper ridge
#

because no one I talk to has a reference for what Im talking about

hardy idol
#

I only know a few things to say

thick elk
#

Honestly of all the non metric standards fahrenheit certainly isn't too bad.
Instead of water at 1 atmosphere it's based around common temperatures in most of the world.

hardy idol
#

I can say goodnight in both ways
i can say hi
im violet
youre cute

#

and thats it hahaha

fair gull
#

"nothing is never implied" due to double negative meaning "almost everything is implied"

old marlin
#

Guess what Fahrenheit is actually based on

hardy idol
#

BWOAH

fair gull
#

@old marlin freezing point of brine

hardy idol
#

ah

fair gull
#

like equal parts of water , ice and some other shit

thick elk
#

temperature of the inside of your ass?

old marlin
#

Nope

#

Atm it is based on celsius/kelvin atm