#🔌│tech | Wooting | Page 799

zenith sonnet Nov 17, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Not many seem to have matched AMD's cooler requirement, even though they shipped one with the CPU
And I haven't seen anyone bench with Windows 1909, even though it specifically ships with an update to the thread scheduler that Ryzen should benefit from

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Also clocks...
GN's did 4.4something GHz single thread
L1tech's seemed to do 4.75GHz?

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That's a huge gap

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Weirdly, the latter only compared it with OCed intel CPUs and a 3900

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A 9900KS at 5.2, and a 7980XE at 4.8 GHz

ashen spindle Nov 17, 2019, 10:03 PM

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bc thats what they are using, l1 isn't your average tech review channel for that stuff

zenith sonnet Nov 17, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Well, it didn't surprise in any negative way, at least
So that's a good sign so far :p

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Power consumption in particular stands out

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It does run 32 threads using the same power as the 3900X, at higher clocks even

ashen spindle Nov 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

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what

zenith sonnet Nov 17, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Under all core load, the 3950X draws just as much power as the 3900X, even though it runs more cores, at a higher frequency even

ashen spindle Nov 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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no it draws more?

zenith sonnet Nov 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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Not in the reviews I've seen?

ashen spindle Nov 17, 2019, 10:09 PM

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yes you notice its better binned and lowers the power per core but not total power

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/15043/the-amd-ryzen-9-3950x-review-16-cores-on-7nm-with-pcie-40/2

The AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review: 16 Cores on 7nm with PCIe 4.0

zenith sonnet Nov 17, 2019, 10:11 PM

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3900X > 146W
3950X > 144W

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Seems to be in line with what I've seen elsewhere

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Weirdly, the charts are different
3900X lists core and un-core
3950X lists core and package

ashen spindle Nov 17, 2019, 10:14 PM

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yes but look at the power consumption for individual cores for 2-8

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so the lower power comes from the cores doing less

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so the only reason they consume less power is because each core works less in comparison

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which, is kinda real world, but not really 12vs 16 cores power consumption

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it gets a bit messy

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since if you up the cooling the 16 core obviously draws more, since PBO2 is basically a gpu-like boosting

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which is why the boost frequencies are basically never hit lul

zenith sonnet Nov 17, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Charts don't include frequency, but the 3950X runs at about 3.9GHz under 16C load

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It's not going less per core than the 3900X

ashen spindle Nov 17, 2019, 10:22 PM

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here is a comparison between the two at (basically) the same speed on all cores https://i.gyazo.com/46d0b060825effdfddd533e8ec0dcf76.png

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170 vs 250 watt if you just set a fixed multiplier

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but its not like this is how they work if you dont touch them, new pbo makes it harder to have a "correct" test

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this might sound like I have an issue with it, I don't it just makes it harder to compare stuff

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the new boost numbers are obv becoming memes if you hit it for seconds only

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but the only thing I don't like is amd's TDP really

zenith sonnet Nov 17, 2019, 10:28 PM

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I'd like to see something like Cinebench numbers at stock settings for both, not sure where to find them
Which would give both a power budget of about 145W

ashen spindle Nov 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

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GN has blender power and time charts

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think for cinebench too but not in the video iirc

ashen spindle Nov 18, 2019, 12:14 AM

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https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/3029/sc19-aurora-supercomputer-to-feature-intel-first-exascale-xe-gpgpu-7nm-ponte-vecchio/

WikiChip Fuse

David Schor

SC19: Aurora Supercomputer To Feature Intel First Exascale Xe GPGP...

Intel unveils the node architecture of the Aurora Supercomputer; the system will feature Intel's first Xe GPGPU for HPC, 7nm Ponte Vecchio.

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site is a bit slow right now, but has some nice points about the keynote, there will probably be more detailed articles out tomorrow

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but this stuff is interresting

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/15123/raja-koduri-at-intel-hpc-devcon-keynote-live-blog-4pm-mt-11pm-utc keynote liveticker, prob best before we get a full article

Raja Koduri at Intel HPC Devcon Keynote Live Blog (4pm MT, 11pm UTC)

fair gull Nov 18, 2019, 3:13 PM

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the oneAPI looks so dope

fickle ore Nov 18, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Use USB

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it's a new thing

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you have literally 0 benefit from PS/2

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wat

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usb stack what?

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whats your issue with usb drivers?

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I'm guessing high dpc or isr latency?

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which latency?

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DPC can be reduced to 0 via message signaled mode on USB 3

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PS/2 will cause both dpc and isr tho

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you can reduce dpc to 0 on USB 3

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😉

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google messagesignaledinterrupts

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or MSI

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https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/windows-line-based-vs-message-signaled-based-interrupts-msi-tool.378044/

guru3D Forums

Windows: Line-Based vs. Message Signaled-Based Interrupts. MSI tool.

... or another attempt to improve latencies

Little bit of theory:

From "Windows Internals" by Mark Russinovich, David A. Solomon, Alex...

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USB 3 on Ryzen has the benefit even further via straight PCI-E link to CPU

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no motherboard between or multiplexers etc

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or pCH

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USB 3 also reduces USB stack latency vs USB 2

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XHCI vs EHCI

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you have no USB 1.1, your motherboard likely has 2.0, which then can work with 1.1 MCU's

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"Just because data rate of a mouse is very low and can be handled by USB 1.x does not mean it can't benefit from being plugging into a faster controller.

There are a number of factors in play here:

USB 3.0 controllers support backward compatibility by performing enumeration in a way that is compatible with USB 1.x and 2.0 devices, and exposing a logical EHCI controller as part of the register map.

The mouse will identify itself as a USB full-speed device regardless of the port and controller it is connected to. This will cause the mouse to appear logically connected to the EHCI controller (sometimes even OHCI/UHCI).

Having a logical EHCI controller does not mean that the device is attached to a USB 2.0 circuit. The connection between system and USB 3.0 host controller will be higher speed, probably multi-lane PCIe. It's also much less likely to go through a PCIe-PCI bridge, which causes buffering and slight additional latency.

Besides the host-side connection, the transistors driving the USB pins will also have a higher switching rate, and instead of passive components for noise filtering, the bus will use digital switches in the filter network, to allow it to be removed and not slow down USB SuperSpeed devices. (This was probably a bigger deal for the jump between USB 1.x and 2.0)
The passive filter components present in the mouse should dominate. Still, rise and fall times could be a few nanoseconds faster.

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The registers of the EHCI controller also are implemented on the same die as the USB 3.0 UHCI logic, so the clock rate and digital performance will be higher.

Of these effects, the PCIe differences have the greatest impact on performance, especially compared to a USB 2.0 host controller connected via a PCIe-PCI bridge.

In summary, a USB 3.0 host controller with a full-speed or high-speed USB 2.0 device is not the same circuit as the same device attached to a USB 2.0 host controller, and the timing will not be identical.

However, any latency improvement will be at most a couple microseconds. I suppose it's possible that with some probability this would cause the mouse input to be relayed to the server in time to be processed one frame earlier; the probability is extremely low (well under 1%)"

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No probs

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DPC latency has annoyed me to no end. Thankfully MSI mode gets rid of most devices DPC latency if your motherboard isn't 10 years old

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ISR (interrupt latency) is not something you can get rid of though

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WTB real time OS for gaming F_F

safe patrol Nov 18, 2019, 8:57 PM

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why would you waste $$ on RTOS for gaming?

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https://www.freertos.org/

FreeRTOS

FreeRTOS - Market leading RTOS (Real Time Operating System) for em...

Portable operating system interfaces (POSIX) for FreeRTOS

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https://www.intervalzero.com/rtos/exploring-the-windows-real-time-operating-system/

IntervalZero RTOS Platform

Exploring the Windows Real-Time Operating System - IntervalZero RT...

Windows is a general purpose operating system ideal for a wide range of activities. However, to ensure that every service, application, task, thread and message...

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Windows RTOS

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it will be a waste of time because games will not RTOS imo

ashen spindle Nov 18, 2019, 9:47 PM

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KEKW

fair gull Nov 18, 2019, 9:52 PM

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because why change a working system

ashen spindle Nov 18, 2019, 10:01 PM

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iGPU

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the term APU was coined by amd 2006 so its not like they dont have them on am3

crude cipher Nov 19, 2019, 12:45 AM

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@proud nacelle you do realize that most current AMD motherboards support both standard Ryzen and Ryzen G?

crude cipher Nov 19, 2019, 1:10 AM

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Ah

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Well, headless is an option too :P

fickle ore Nov 19, 2019, 8:55 AM

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@proud nacelle so did you manage to set MSI mode and what happened to your USB DPC latency?

zenith sonnet Nov 19, 2019, 10:12 AM

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https://www.techpowerup.com/261241/matlab-mkl-codepath-tweak-boosts-amd-ryzen-mkl-performance-significantly

I thought these issues were sorted out...

TechPowerUp

MATLAB MKL Codepath Tweak Boosts AMD Ryzen MKL Performance Signifi...

MATLAB is a popular math computing environment in use by engineering firms, universities, and other research institutes. Some of its operations can be made to leverage Intel MKL (Math Kernel Library), which is poorly optimized for, and notoriously slow on AMD Ryzen processors...

safe patrol Nov 19, 2019, 2:46 PM

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BIOS batteries are usually for the clock.

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old marlin Nov 19, 2019, 3:13 PM

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for the clock and to safe bios settings

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:04 PM

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"Razer Analog switches" lul https://www.razer.com/gb-en/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-tartarus-pro

Razer

PC Gaming Keypad - Razer Tartarus Pro

Featuring Razer Analog Optical Switches that allow for a more measured and nuanced form of control in every gameplay.

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Literally AimPad tech

old marlin Nov 19, 2019, 5:23 PM

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is it?

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:23 PM

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ye

old marlin Nov 19, 2019, 5:23 PM

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oh, ok

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haven't seen one disassembled

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:32 PM

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really sad to see a channel fall so rapidly https://www.youtube.com/user/razethew0rld

YouTube

Tek Syndicate

Crit is an amalgamation of tech enthusiasts and gamers. We are dedicated to bringing you the highest quality content, on-location footage, and the latest new...

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2-6k

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Its well deserved

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Whaddya mean?

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:33 PM

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they used to have A LOT more

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views and subs

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Not always.

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I see a lot of videos with below 10k

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More competition, worse algorithm et cetera.

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:34 PM

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No

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Not at all

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sec

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I cant seem to go bakc

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Back in 2016

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i mean youtube stats

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Basically

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Logan went on a im better than you all situation, never paid Wendell back ever for using his own money to fund stuff, Logan took hostage the entire forums etc because he was pissed and removed Wendell, Logans GF also took control of other stuff.

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Wendell was co owner btw

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and when speaking about it logan was like

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IM THE STEVE JOBS OF THIS CHANNEL

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Also

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 5:38 PM

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But... 90% of viewers don't give a toss about such things.

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Pateron funds were not going towards the channel

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instead Wendell was using his own money

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Mansen it used to be a lot better

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400k+ views

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to 2-5k

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So ye....

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 5:39 PM

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My point is - That drama can't be the sole reason.

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:39 PM

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it literally is

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As soon as Wendell left

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 5:39 PM

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I can't believe that 😄

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:39 PM

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and parted ways

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Channel tanked

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and has never recovered

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 5:39 PM

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In other news - And because I am too lazy to re-upload an MP4 to show it on Discord...

https://twitter.com/herrmansen/status/1196841797613436928

Mansen 💻 📷 (@herrmansen)

Finally got my NAS up and running again - And with a much needed upgraded from its old 2nd gen Intel i5 to a Ryzen 2200G.

Gotta go fast! https://t.co/mCFFiqMmsX

▶ Play video

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:40 PM

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They also tried to rebrand to avoid it

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNci_Kolptc

YouTube

cheeky videos

tek syndicate: damage control

Press F to pay respects.

▶ Play video

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xD

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i got it wrong , here is the exact quote

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Ye

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Literally

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 5:41 PM

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10-12MB/s transfer speeds.

REEEEEE-

I need dat cabled connection at home. Wifi is pain.

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:42 PM

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I used to love watching them but when Wendell left it was never the same

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https://www.youtube.com/user/teksyndicate/videos

YouTube

Level1Techs

We are passionate about technology and how it shapes our world. We create videos to share our knowledge about tech, science and design. + Business Inquiries/...

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he went onto a pretty decent channel instead

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Fraid knot

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Might be an issue with running 10/100 to the route. Not sure

pale sigil Nov 19, 2019, 5:43 PM

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What happened was ugh

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Wendell owned the original URL

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So YouTube swapped over the urls

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for each channel

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Wait no

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sorry

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im wrong

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teksyndicate used to be their secondary channel

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razethew0rld was the main

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Wendell owned the secondary

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and used it for level1

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Either way, asshole + wendell leaving = tank

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Oh and another member left too

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No one liked Wendell 2.0

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Well deserved karma

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tbh

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 5:58 PM

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ohmy

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https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-6216499

Tenor

ashen spindle Nov 19, 2019, 6:05 PM

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rooSpyWiggle

safe patrol Nov 19, 2019, 6:28 PM

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LEWD

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 8:20 PM

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I - HATE - Linux so much right now 😄

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Can't get FreeNAS and Plex to work together at all.

crimson wigeon Nov 19, 2019, 8:43 PM

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FreeNAS isn't Linux tho

reef patrol Nov 19, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Same bs approach to permissions 😛

zenith sonnet Nov 19, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Still can't preorder 3950X'

halcyon moss Nov 20, 2019, 8:34 AM

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and the story continues

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Will Xeanoa ever buy a new cpu? Will he ever reach peak performace? See it here, next time on #🔌│tech

old marlin Nov 20, 2019, 8:47 AM

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I just imagined 3 episodes of his current CPU screaming while it gets more powerful

reef patrol Nov 20, 2019, 8:57 AM

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huehue

halcyon moss Nov 20, 2019, 9:04 AM

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https://giphy.com/gifs/funny-PET31XskimwJG

Giphy

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/collapse

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ah thats not a thing here apparently :/

old marlin Nov 20, 2019, 9:27 AM

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rip

reef patrol Nov 20, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Oh lawd... This is so hilariously backwards.

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To fix the permission issues with my FreeNAS powered...NAS and Plex (aka. letting Plex access my SMB share, which is where all of my stuff is), I have to use WINDOWS to set permissions to ALL WRITE 😄

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Yes - I could have done this in terminal, no I don't care to learn how. This may take forever file by file, but it works.

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I'd need to figure out what the damn folder is in the storage pool. This worked. Plex is finally scanning files 😄

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Yeah baby, yeah!

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halcyon moss Nov 20, 2019, 4:29 PM

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@reef patrol you're encountering samba permission dualirty

reef patrol Nov 20, 2019, 4:31 PM

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bcaHappy2Want

ashen spindle Nov 20, 2019, 6:27 PM

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/15130/anandtech-exclusive-an-interview-with-intels-raja-koduri-about-xe?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

AnandTech Exclusive: An Interview with Intel’s Raja Koduri about Xe

latent mural Nov 20, 2019, 10:10 PM

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not sure if i have adware or microsoft is recording all my keyboard data, but i mentioned security cams in hexchat irc, edge 3 minutes later
https://imgur.com/a/HB2RYop
i didn't search or anything related to this before, 100% sure

Imgur

ashen spindle Nov 20, 2019, 10:11 PM

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well, on what website is that ad

latent mural Nov 20, 2019, 10:11 PM

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music web site

ashen spindle Nov 20, 2019, 10:11 PM

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hm

reef patrol Nov 20, 2019, 10:27 PM

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This is pain. I need cable so badly xD

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fallow bison Nov 20, 2019, 10:51 PM

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i think this is internal

reef patrol Nov 20, 2019, 10:51 PM

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That's... on my local network

fallow bison Nov 20, 2019, 10:51 PM

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so its not that fast

reef patrol Nov 20, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Wifi to router, cable to NAS. bcaNoLoveDenied

fallow bison Nov 20, 2019, 10:51 PM

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F

zenith sonnet Nov 20, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Is that ok?

📎 IMG_20191121_004751.jpg

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duh

fallow bison Nov 20, 2019, 11:49 PM

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it surely does not look okay

zenith sonnet Nov 20, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Tried swapping the modules around
But the D14 is just too fat

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Or is it a D15?

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Might actually be a D15

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Think I sold the D14

plush summit Nov 20, 2019, 11:50 PM

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oh

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my

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god

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why

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zenith sonnet Nov 20, 2019, 11:57 PM

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If it burns, it burns

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Too bad, won't boot

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Hmm

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How many issues can a dead cmos battery cause? Surely not BSODs and general instability of a running sytem...

fallow bison Nov 21, 2019, 12:19 AM

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it just wouldnt boot

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it would drain all last bits of data stored in RAM making windows unable to boot IIRC

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and not system ram ofc, static ram

zenith sonnet Nov 21, 2019, 12:22 AM

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It should be fine as long as the PSU is connected to the mains

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which seems to have been the case so far

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Hrm

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Removed the angled stick and still stuck on error code 53 🤔

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Thought so

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Anyway, seems like I don't have incompatible memory or bad IMCs, just a bad mobo :(

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Black slots seemed to not work at all

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Put a stick in grey and bam

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 12:35 AM

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old or new?

zenith sonnet Nov 21, 2019, 12:36 AM

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Old

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Also found out what permanently forced XMP on, overriding BIOS settings...

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A switch on the mobo

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Either black or grey should work
I wonder why the black one didn't work

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None of the black alots worked when I put in just a single stick
Of the grey ones, there seems to be one with issues, too :(

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Means I'm left with 3 working DIMM slots?

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Or maybe it works?

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Just have a single stick in, running prime on it

zenith sonnet Nov 21, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Definitely have 4 sticks in...

📎 IMG_20191121_024026.jpg

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That's with 4 sticks installed...

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old marlin Nov 21, 2019, 6:48 AM

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rip ram

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why didn't you just turn the cooler by 90 degrees

zenith sonnet Nov 21, 2019, 9:28 AM

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I didn't take it off

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Well, seems there would've been no point anyway

old marlin Nov 21, 2019, 9:44 AM

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slot is mangeled either way now

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 9:59 AM

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pepecry

old marlin Nov 21, 2019, 10:57 AM

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intel 14nm supply is still decreasing

zenith sonnet Nov 21, 2019, 11:12 AM

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The slot is fine, lol

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Needed 4 attempts to get into Windows after BIOS reset

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At least it shows 16 GiB now

zenith sonnet Nov 21, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Seems prime stable, when I run settings to test RAM

halcyon moss Nov 21, 2019, 11:40 AM

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woah, this is not a new cpu, are we on a side story in Xeanoa's saga?

zenith sonnet Nov 21, 2019, 11:40 AM

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Same ol', same ol'

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 11:46 AM

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Turns out destiny 2 is a bandwidth whore

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Well I guess this is common news to everyone, now I’m just thinking welp

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Good job I don’t worry about caps

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Backups

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It counts local bandwidth to my NAS lol

latent mural Nov 21, 2019, 4:15 PM

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does anyone know a very small mATX case? where an average size video card and some pci-e cards would fit?

fair gull Nov 21, 2019, 4:17 PM

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isnt that like easeus todo backup or what the shit is called

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was a really nice program in the win7/8 era

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sadly its not what we like to use anymore thx to it having failed us a few times when trying to restore win10 machines

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so we went back to drive snapshot and hdclone

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 4:46 PM

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agreed

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tbh

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Isn't mATX case standards pretty lax in general, @fair gull ? Your biggest concern is GPU length, which isn't exactly a known standard. I think most? cases do something like 300mm'

fair gull Nov 21, 2019, 5:04 PM

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wha

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why u pinging me

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Because... I pinged the wrong person 😄

fair gull Nov 21, 2019, 5:04 PM

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lel

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 5:04 PM

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bcaCry1

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Meant to ping @latent mural of course.

old marlin Nov 21, 2019, 5:15 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY47jeBtKkU

YouTube

HardwareCanucks

Lancool II Review - The New BENCHMARK For $90!

The Lancool II is one of the best PC cases we've seen in 2019 and it has a price of just $90. It has great airflow and handy touches to help you build a gami...

▶ Play video

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damn

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a beast for that price

latent mural Nov 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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@reef patrol yeah but maybe someone knows the smallest one so i dont have to look for it heh

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Don't like that case - not at all. Especially the weird back room metal holders.

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Those have a way of causing more grief and pain than just cable tying cables outright.

fair gull Nov 21, 2019, 6:00 PM

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the real question is does the Lancool II also cool my Lan?

old marlin Nov 21, 2019, 6:02 PM

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yes

fair gull Nov 21, 2019, 6:02 PM

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cool

old marlin Nov 21, 2019, 6:02 PM

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lan

fair gull Nov 21, 2019, 6:02 PM

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so i wont buy it

old marlin Nov 21, 2019, 6:02 PM

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rip lan

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overheats now

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no honestly

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besides looks, which are subjective, there isn't a lot below 100$ that can cahllenge it

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meshify c would be the big one

crude cipher Nov 21, 2019, 6:16 PM

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@proud nacelle password rules are useless because they don't measure the bits of information

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protein is less secure than Password0 only barely

fair gull Nov 21, 2019, 6:28 PM

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cant really compare password below 10chars immo

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with 16characters u wouldnt need to worry about it being cracked before one dies

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im basing this of alphanumeric and special chars

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aka 95 characters or so

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95^16

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well ya ure gonna crack a while

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https://discordjs.moe/JzZHvwm1s6.png

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gl trying all those combinations

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thats 1.4trilion years with 1trillion hashes per second

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gg

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https://discordjs.moe/eQt0yBKzLb.png

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Im making my friend a ryzen build

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any other than highest frequency possible for ram i should know

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Needs a GPU to POST unless a G

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Make sure the motherboard already supports the CPU.

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I.e. B350 or X370 for a 1000 series, B450, X470 for 2000 or B450 (with a clear label or mention it has been pre-flashed) or B450 MAX, X570 for 3000 series

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:42 PM

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ye

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i know all that which is good

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Fun fact : I bought a B350 the other day, and it had been flashed to 2000 AND 3000 series support seperately.

ashen spindle Nov 21, 2019, 6:43 PM

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not highest frequency possible, 3800 max for zen2

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 6:44 PM

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I'd aim for 3000-3200 personally.

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Beyond that you're paying more than its worth.

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Focus on low CL instead.

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:45 PM

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oh we are going for 3600

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or 3600x, if sales are good maybe 3700x

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its his choice really

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but my suggestions so far are

16gb 3200-3400 min
Ryzen 3600, x or 3700
GPU: Upgrade next year
M2 SSD 1TB
new case

ashen spindle Nov 21, 2019, 6:46 PM

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get a seasonic psu, for good quality 🙂

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:46 PM

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As for PSU

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We might just keep using his current

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if its any decent

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idk till i inspect it

ashen spindle Nov 21, 2019, 6:47 PM

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sata ssd is still very good and usually cheaper

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:47 PM

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oh ofc

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But

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Black friday m2 is pretty decent

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 6:47 PM

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Honestly you might as well grab a cheap NVME at this point. Price difference is silly small now for 250GB

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:47 PM

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tis what i meant

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mansen

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sorry

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 6:47 PM

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But if you DO go M.2 go NVME, skip SATA. Waste of slots.

ashen spindle Nov 21, 2019, 6:47 PM

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ye

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but at 1TB sata ssd might still be cheaper

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:48 PM

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tis what i meant

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 6:48 PM

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Oh - Also don't buy a 2200G come to think of it. Or anything like it. They have limited PCI-E slot bandwidth which matters for GPUs.

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:48 PM

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the prices are pretty good during black friday week

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 6:48 PM

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The 660P that I tend to buy from Intel is like 115? pounds normally here in DK. For 1TB

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:49 PM

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ive wanted to itch my ryzen side

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my friends build will do that for me

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xD

ashen spindle Nov 21, 2019, 6:49 PM

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true the intel one is quite good for cheap ssd's

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personally im usually going for samsung ones but they are not the budget options unless you go for QLC

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 6:49 PM

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My "new" NAS is Ryzen 😄

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Samsung are great.

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But like

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nvme

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 6:50 PM

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And I built a gaming PC for my friend a few weeks ago. 3600X and a 2070S? I think it was.

pale sigil Nov 21, 2019, 6:50 PM

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fuck dem prices

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Ye Mansen i saw.

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I would love to make a ryzen nas

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but monies

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 7:03 PM

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It was honestly only possible since I could buy board and CPU at cost. The 6TB drive, PSU and Case were freebies from before.

zenith sonnet Nov 21, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Why's there such a huge price gap between the 970 Evo and the Pro models?

reef patrol Nov 21, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Because the Pro are overengineered for ... well pro usage 😄

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Evo are for consumers.

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They shortened the warrranty on Pro models, because they figure datacenters will be using them a lot and wear them down hard.

timid chasm Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 AM

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https://www.humblebundle.com/store/serial-cleaner-free-game
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reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 6:35 AM

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The visuals annoy my eyes 😄

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 11:18 AM

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MNJNSQ9

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how is Ballistix ram

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 11:22 AM

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Crucial is micron owned

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So those are prob micron revision E

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Very easy to push that to 3800 from that base

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 11:23 AM

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So good?

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i have only ever really stuck to corsair and hyperx

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 11:25 AM

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They don’t make ram

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All ram you get is made by Samsung, micron or sk Hynix

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 11:26 AM

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bleh

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-Nitro-VG271UPbmiipx-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B07P6S61TS?ref_=Oct_DLandingS_PC_48ab5ad5_13&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&th=1

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this is tempting

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 11:59 AM

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welp

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pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 12:28 PM

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https://www.cclonline.com/product/269937/SSDPEKNW010T8X1/Solid-State-Drives-SSDs-/Intel-SSD-6-Series-660p-1TB-Solid-State-Drive-PCI-Express-3-0-x4-M-2-80mm-3D2-QLC-Internal-/SSD0910/?siteID=hL3Qp0zRBOc-ZDJW87UQdbUahorPJyKAGQ

CCL Computers

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halcyon moss Nov 22, 2019, 12:44 PM

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@pale sigil im looking at that same monitor right now 😮

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 12:45 PM

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amen to that

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also anyone got any suggestions for mobos

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not 570s cos to expensive

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 12:45 PM

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B450 tomhawak or gaming+

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Just check that it has enough USB ports bc they don’t have a lot iirc

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 12:46 PM

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-B450-TOMAHAWK-MAX-Motherboard/dp/B07VB2BG3X/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=B450+tomhawak&qid=1574426776&sr=8-1-spell

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this?

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 12:47 PM

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Ye

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It’s a rebrand of the original with a bios for the zen2 chips so you don’t need to do it

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 12:47 PM

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ye i can see that

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idk what case he wants

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which might be an issue

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but i think he's going for micro atx

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does it support nvme

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i mean it has an m.2

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Think there is a small form factor version of the gaming +

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 12:49 PM

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but say sata

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Supports PCIe 3.0 x4 ye

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@ashen spindle gaming +?

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https://www.ebuyer.com/874722-adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-m-2-1tb-ssd-asx8200pnp-1tt-c

Ebuyer.com

Adata XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 1TB SSD | Ebuyer.com

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if i had the money id get this lol

fair gull Nov 22, 2019, 1:02 PM

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https://youtu.be/fzI9FNjXQ0o

YouTube

GitHub

GitHub Arctic Code Vault

The GitHub Arctic Code Vault is a data repository preserved in the Arctic World Archive (AWA), a very-long-term archival facility 250 meters deep in the perm...

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sick af

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upload some cracks etc to github before 2.2.2020

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and then have them archive it for forever

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Kappa

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 1:03 PM

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im in trouble

📎 unknown.png

fair gull Nov 22, 2019, 1:04 PM

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wha

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27" tv but small

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Ye...

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She doesn't know anything about this sort of stuff

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lol

fair gull Nov 22, 2019, 1:04 PM

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i didnt know theres 27" tvs in big

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 1:05 PM

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she is getting confused

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she doesn't see monitors as monitors

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but as tvs

fair gull Nov 22, 2019, 1:05 PM

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easy fix

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tell her that u also didnt order a 50" cock but in small

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xD

halcyon moss Nov 22, 2019, 1:09 PM

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no need to be mean :p

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 1:10 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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im in trouble

fair gull Nov 22, 2019, 1:10 PM

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why tho

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its a 27" tv but small

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unlike the 27" tv but big this one is actually only 27"...

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 1:12 PM

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? Gaming plus is another msi board

timid chasm Nov 22, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Imma new a clearer larger profile picture. Can't tell anything with that one

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 1:46 PM

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poker

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COMPUTER THING

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 1:46 PM

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My computer is one a strike today blobfacepalm

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Wow

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Only took me 2h to get back into Windows

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 1:52 PM

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bcaNooo2Never

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 1:54 PM

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No troubles yesterday, at all

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Shut it down normally

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Pressed the power button today

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 1:55 PM

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There WAS a windows update with a prompt yesterday. Maybe it did it anyway for you?

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 1:55 PM

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And get greeted with BSODs during startup

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Didn't even make it to dasktop

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Nah, no updates for me

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Had to try various configurations of RAM sticks until finally one worked

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Now I'm down to 8 GiB

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 2:02 PM

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bcaCry1

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 2:03 PM

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I think 4 of 8 RAM slots are dead, and the other 4 are seriously unstable

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But once they work, they're prime stable

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But not through gaming and normal usage...

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Could be the CPU as well 😮

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 2:04 PM

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Could be...

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Usually i troll or tease at moments like this

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Some of those pins control memory controllers. I have seen a few very rare cases where one bent pin caused 1-2 RAM slots to outright not work.

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 2:05 PM

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but i really hope you sort it out

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i went through so much shit when i kept having issues for months

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in my case it was my cpu

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 2:05 PM

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I'm just waiting for Monday now

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Neither a new X99 board nor a new X99 CPU are worth spending money on

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When even a B450 and a Ryzen 3600 would be a huge upgrade, and probably cheaper

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Yeah... X99 has burned me every time I've touched it. Personally or professionally.

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We had a customer a while back that wanted X99 for video editing. We ended up having to order three different motherboards (one is STILL on the shelf) and 2 different RAM kits, because we just couldn't get 64GB to work

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 2:08 PM

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This rig was good for the first year and a half

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After that, it was just regrets

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Do we have good Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals in central Europe?
Last years I haven't seen much that was really interesting

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Need now everything :p

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 2:27 PM

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if this wasn't so pricy id get one

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https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Extension-DoubleYI-Protector-Charging-Joules-black/dp/B073SP9BPR/ref=gbps_tit_m-8_825f_cebf0173?smid=ARI3XNZTERGD5&pf_rd_p=c109ba17-5378-4e17-ac7b-8ebbbfaf825f&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-8&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=161428031&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=DQ74ZECS5QPPQ1XTCYWX

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 2:47 PM

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How are the m.2 slots on X570 boards usually organised? How many are connected directly to the CPU?

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 3:17 PM

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/amd-x570-x470-chipset-pcie-4.0,39651.html

Tom's Hardware

X570 Exposed: Up to Sixteen PCIe 4.0 Lanes, Flexible I/O

What is X570? AMD's X570 chipset will have up to 16 PCIe 4.0 lanes and a more flexible I/O, but it’s no X470 killer.

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 3:19 PM

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@old marlin you know how doppler effect is continous, rather than frame based image capturing (opticals), so 3399 (viper ultimate wireless) is taking images based on framerate (20k cap) but it's not actually sending the counts, but rather calculates a velocity based on the frames captured and compares it to the time between SPI reads from the sensor, and that is the movement amount

old marlin Nov 22, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Ye let's move it here

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Got sources you are allowed to cite?

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I know it is SOME modified pixart sensor

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But that sounds a lot different

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 3:20 PM

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3389 is different from 3399

old marlin Nov 22, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Yea ik

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I just got word from an razer employee definetley confirming that it is a modiciation of an existing pixart sensor

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Didn't mention which

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I mean, so is the hero

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 3:21 PM

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https://www.overclock.net/forum/375-mice/1735092-razer-viper-ultimate-internal-pics-technical-info.html

razer viper ultimate internal pics/technical info - Overclock.net ...

disclaimer and acknowledgement: Razer_TheFiend from Razer R&D contacted me and sent me this mouse for free for testing. disclaimer 2: over the

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it's pretty long if you care

old marlin Nov 22, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Np

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I wonder what their next one will do

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But will likely take a while until it releases

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

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whose?

old marlin Nov 22, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Razers

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The fiend confirmed that they are working on another one, obviously

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But if they announce that publically it most be decently far in the works

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Also people in that ocn thread talk shit about logitech wireless

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It still has less input delay than most wired gaming mice

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 3:29 PM

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I wouldnt read comments, just the OP

old marlin Nov 22, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Yea

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Mobile page is gronked

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I'll read it later on desktop

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 5:04 PM

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@reef patrol
Just as I thought, seems only 1 slot will be directly connected to the CPU
I was wondering if I should go with 2 SSDs (smaller one for a separate C: drive) or a single larger SSD. Larger SSDs usually have better price/GB and peak speed
Currently considering the X570 Taichi or the Aorus Master. Auros Xtreme looks sweet, but I doubt I'll benefit from anything it offers over the Master yet, and the price is steep

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 5:04 PM

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It's hard to go wrong with the Taichi boards in general. I've had them for both Z270 and Z390 and they were solid.

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As for bandwidth - I can't really tell if I am using my NVME or my two SSDs for games or content.

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But admittedly I don't exactly scrub through Adobe Premiere a lot 😄

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Thing is... extremely few programs are designed to benefit from faster storage
Most are still designed to handle slower storage better, but at a cost

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Damn, RAM is cheap nowadays

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Welp

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friend spent 700 quid

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CPU Ryzen 3600x
RAM Crucial Ballistix Sport
PSU EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3
Storage ADATA XPG SX8200
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK
Case H500I

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 5:48 PM

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I told you not to invest in dragon dildos in 2019

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Smh not a seasonic Psu?

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Can’t believe you are not supporting the official wooting partner

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Because Seasonic is gay

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 5:51 PM

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WTF rooD

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 5:54 PM

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bcaCry1

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 5:54 PM

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@reef patrol What RAM would you get?

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Pffffft... It's more about what's inside the sticks than the brand these days. Gotta get that good binning.

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I'm an RGB whore, so I went with the Royals

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3600 best CL I could get... 14 or 16?

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https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

B-Die Finder

Find Samsung B-Die DDR 4 memory kits on Amazon, Newegg and many more.

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Just took a look at the Royals
They're like twice the price of Ripjaws, at same or worse default timings 🤔

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 5:56 PM

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DAT ARR DEE BEE

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Guess my current Ripjaws V kit isn't B-die

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Nothing - They honestly make some of the best PSUs on the market.

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 6:00 PM

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Nothing wrong

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 6:00 PM

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F4-3200C16Q-16GVK

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 6:00 PM

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i just think they are overatted

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 6:00 PM

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You can't overrate quality. Their brand is pretty understated.

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It's like calling Noctua overrated 😄

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Or maybe they are, but not on the list because EOL?

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Well, doesn't matter

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Is B-die really that much better than E-die?

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 6:04 PM

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shrug

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No RAM wiz.

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Depends on what you want

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Both are great for OC both habe different sub timings they exceed at

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 6:17 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/dzjs7i/fastest_cores_is_windows_right_or_ryzen_master/

Fastest Cores: Is Windows Right? Or Ryzen Master? It's Both! The I...

SUMMARY UPFRONT: Windows and Ryzen Master are both correct when identifying the fastest CPU core. The performance ranking of the cores is...

old marlin Nov 22, 2019, 7:06 PM

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lol wtf

📎 81yPWC4aHNL.png

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Ewww

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Kryonaut or that Liquid Metal Pad?

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:24 PM

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what

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there is no such thing as a liquid metal pad

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because..

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liquid metal

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is

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liquid?

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hmmm

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:25 PM

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https://www.coollaboratory.com/product/coollaboratory-liquid-metalpad/

Coollaboratory

Coollaboratory Liquid MetalPad

The Coollaboratory Liquid MetalPad ist the first heat conduction pad, which is composed of 100% metal and melts with just less heating (BurnIn-process), then it confects its superior heat transfer.…

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:25 PM

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wait whats the point if it just melts and becomes normal liquid metal?

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Ease of Application?

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Cut it to size, paste it on, and you've perfect coverage

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:26 PM

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unlike carbon pads you cant reuse them and I dont think it can have a higher thermal conductivity to normal LM

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Ever use LM?

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:26 PM

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yes

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:27 PM

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It's a pita to apply...

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:28 PM

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is there no manual or video of using it on the site?

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nvm found it

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:30 PM

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I guess I'll stick to Kryonaut

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:30 PM

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I still dont see if this is supposed to be for direct die, or on a IHS or below it...

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:31 PM

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It's for anywhere you'd use regular LM

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It's supposed to melt once you heat it up enough

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And give a similar result

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:32 PM

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but you are comparing it to kryonaut

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so you wanted to put is between ihs and the cooler?

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Yes

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:32 PM

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ew no I would never risk that

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Huh?

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Between IHS and cooler is risky?

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:33 PM

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well yeah, if it gets out it can short your stuff since its metal

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also no need for it there since that isn't the bottleneck of heat transfer

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and a pita to clean as you said

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Keyword here is LIQUID. And conductive. Unlike most thermal compounds, this stuff will bridge connections if it touches two or more.

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Aka. It leaks out into the board from between

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:34 PM

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There's not really any other place to put it

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:34 PM

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yes, you put liquid metal between cpu die and IHS

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:34 PM

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🤷

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:35 PM

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you dont put it above the ihs

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:35 PM

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I don't buy un-soldered CPUs

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:35 PM

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then you have no need for LM

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:36 PM

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Could put it in the VII then :p

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Anyway, Kryonaut is so good, there's barely any place for LM

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Best you get is 3°C less

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https://www.igorslab.media/waermeleitpasten-chart/

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:37 PM

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thats because you don't use them for the same thing...

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:38 PM

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You can use Kryonaut under the IHS just as well

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And it's non-conductive

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Easier to apply

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Unless those 3°C really matter to you

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:39 PM

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I guess, but its just not something people really do? @reef patrol might have more idea on that one

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:39 PM

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That IC Graphite pad looks interesting, though

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Didn't they use those on the VII's?

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Paste is a little more difficult to use there, because the HBM isn't flush with the die

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:45 PM

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ooof

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buddy is back from america, luggage still MIA

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had a 2700x, 3800x, rtx4000 and a threadripper in there

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woopsSweat

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:47 PM

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Someone needed new hardware, I guess

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:47 PM

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well he was there for like 6 months

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think he only got one of the cpus there

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 7:50 PM

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G.SKILL F4-3800C14Q-32GTZN
Well, that would've been too easy

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Might be not launched yet

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F4-3600C16D-32GTZN
These look about right, I guess?

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:53 PM

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idk I dont like rgb on ram lol just a waste imo

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 7:56 PM

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I've seen people use LM instead of thermal paste before, yes. But the common use is under the IHS in delidded CPUs or Laptops/GPU

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 7:57 PM

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no I mean did you see anyone use something like kryonaut under the ihs

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LN2 oc and direct die stuff dont count

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 8:14 PM

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Don't see a reason not to use it anywhere

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It's by far the best performing conventional paste, and almost closes the gap to metal pastes

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 8:15 PM

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but "convential" paste doesn't really fit if you are already doing the unconvential and delid your cpu

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Plus non-conductive, thus safe, easy to apply and doesn't bake in

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LM hardens over time, and you need sandpaper or steelwool to grind it off

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Direct on die it's a one-way road

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

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@reef patrol Know anything about that 3800 C14 Trident Z kit?

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Nope. RAM ain't my thing 😄

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 9:07 PM

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it'll work fine

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not like you can get much of a difference anyway between 3800 and another 3800

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 9:08 PM

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It'll probably be north of 600€ 🤔

pale sigil Nov 22, 2019, 9:31 PM

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I just spent half an hour removing a fucking gateron switch that was trapped inside my hoover

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 9:33 PM

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ablobjoy

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 9:55 PM

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2 sticks, dual rank, or 4 sticks, single rank
How do I find out what's better for me?

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 9:55 PM

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zen2? doesnt really matter

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because you can get 3800 on pretty much anything decent

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgFXVhsK1ok if you want to get a ramble about it

YouTube

Actually Hardcore Overclocking

Rambling about memory ranks

AHOC Patreon/Shirts/Junkyard:http://cxzoid.blogspot.co.uk/p/support-fail.html The Twitch:https://www.twitch.tv/buildzoid The Facebook: https://www.facebook.c...

▶ Play video

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:14 PM

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So, it's essentially the same

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At the end he starts talking about Ryzen and how much better single rank is
Too bad it's from Jan and doesn't tell anything about Zen 2

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 10:15 PM

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dual channel dual rank 3800 is best afaik if u can get it

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 10:15 PM

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ye there its about 4500+ speeds

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so for zen2 it doesnt really matter

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 10:16 PM

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yea will see about zen3

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Well, if max speed drops from 4600 to 4000, it truly wouldn't matter

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 10:17 PM

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well I dont see them ditching infinity fabric for zen3, the core architechture will be different so I expect the memory to work basically the same

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:17 PM

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I wish there was an E-die finder like the B-die finder

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 10:17 PM

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revision e, not e die

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becuause samsung has e die too

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Oh?

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Sorry

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rev.E

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 10:17 PM

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micron calls it revision

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but again, for zen2 you dont really need to care

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:18 PM

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B-die only goes to 8 Gbit
Are there 16 Gbit rev.E chips?

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 10:18 PM

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idk not really keeping track of stuff that doesn't even affect ln2 oc really lmao

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 10:18 PM

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yeah zen is capped at 3800

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no need to care for higher

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 10:19 PM

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aside from the "hey look we got max number here" it really isnt worthing keeping track of all the stuff

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especially with ddr5 coming in a year or two

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 10:19 PM

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dual rank 3800 is best possible config atm

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:20 PM

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So, 4 sticks, 8 GiB

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 10:20 PM

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get 2 and you can upgrade easier in the future

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 10:20 PM

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2 sticks

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imo

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Well, when am I gonna need 64 GiB of memory?
32 is already generous

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 10:21 PM

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m8 that is not coming from you whos waiting for a 3950x for god knows what lmao

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:21 PM

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I'm still sane, I swear

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 10:21 PM

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might aswell wait till zen 3 now

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you're too late

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:22 PM

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I was thinking about it, seriously

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Get a 3700X now, upgrade later

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 10:22 PM

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nah because then zen3 high core count would release later, just like the 3950x comes out later

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 10:22 PM

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you always adopt early, or you wait for next year, that's how you maximize usage of money

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 10:22 PM

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so you'd just wait longer again

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Zen 3 is probably gonna be nice and all, but when are we gonna see them? What am I gonna use in the meantime? It's probably not worth the trouble

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3200 C14, 3600 C16, 3733 C17, 3866 C18, are the all the same in the end?

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Summer, yes its nice, your current pc

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😄

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:28 PM

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My current PC needs replacing asap

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 10:28 PM

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why

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Cause that shit's broke

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 10:28 PM

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What's the goal? Gaming? RENDURRS?

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Either the CPU or the board is broke

fickle ore Nov 22, 2019, 10:29 PM

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I'm getting like 100+fps in modern games, never gonna replace my 2011 pc

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:31 PM

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Of course gaming, and a bunch of other stuff, like hosting things
Streaming would be nice, I'd like to try, but I don't think I'm the guy for it

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 10:31 PM

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For just gaming I'd go with either 3600(X) or the 9600K (or 9700K depending on price difference). Anything more is just "because you can" for "I might stream professionally some day"

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 10:35 PM

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I do believe getting at least 8C/16T makes sense nowadays
There's already a few games that benefit, particularly if you have a bunch of stuff running in the background, not a clean reviewer's system

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If you're on a budget, sure, the 3600 takes the crown, by a mile

reef patrol Nov 22, 2019, 10:40 PM

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To each their own. I will at most have Discord, Chrome and Spotify running while gaming.

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It's not going to be a rather noticeable FPS loss there.

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 11:04 PM

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Stupid RAM kits, there too freaking many
There also seems to be a huge break where many cost ~300€ for 32 GiB, and then everything better is suddenly 500-600€ for the same capacity

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 11:05 PM

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no welcome to him still not deciding what to get

#

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 11:11 PM

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Think I found my kit
Seems there's probably the same chips in 3200 C14, 3600 C16, 3733 C17, etc... Just different XMP profiles

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 11:12 PM

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mostly the same yes

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down to luck how far up you can push the clocks/down the timings

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 11:13 PM

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3800 C15 could be nice

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C14 or C13 is quite a bit more...

ashen spindle Nov 22, 2019, 11:14 PM

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it wont matter, just get what looks nice and be done

zenith sonnet Nov 22, 2019, 11:22 PM

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'nuff for today, need to be rested to continue tomorrow :p

fair gull Nov 23, 2019, 12:02 AM

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https://discordjs.moe/N6X4hD3EwX.gif

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finally figured out more about windows taskbar magic

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 12:52 AM

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📎 image0.jpg

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Hmm toasty

fair gull Nov 23, 2019, 1:00 AM

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inb4 callum plugs in space heaters at full heatage

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inb4 house burns down

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inb4 27" tv but small burns down aswell

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well he did buy a 27" tv but small

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so id say he might be stupid

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LOL

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tmw mage isnt in on the inside memes

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 1:03 AM

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xD

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ffs

fair gull Nov 23, 2019, 1:03 AM

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so what did u do about ur 27" tv but small

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did u get yelled at?

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 1:04 AM

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ugh

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MiniDutch is trolling

fair gull Nov 23, 2019, 1:04 AM

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partly

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i do wonder what happened

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but mage doesnt like fun stuff

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so imma dip

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Nah thats tino

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woah

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He isn't

ashen spindle Nov 23, 2019, 1:06 AM

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then I'll do that

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you smell

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rooVV

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Anyway...

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spent the last 5 hours cleaning my room up

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and moving stuff around

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still feels shite

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ill sned a pic when im finished

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 1:50 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/622198630710902785/647614527428362256/image0.jpg

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 2:29 AM

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ye lol

feral jolt Nov 23, 2019, 6:48 AM

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dude my walls are the same color

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and i have the same keyboard!

halcyon moss Nov 23, 2019, 8:52 AM

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I also have the same keyboard!

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 10:08 AM

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@digital cliff irs because the phone focused on the monitors

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Still borrowing a shitty iPhone

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Damn it

#

Can't find any reason to pick one over the other between the Aorus Master and the Taichi
Aorus has 2x LAN, 2 more USB on the back, looks better in my opinion (although the Aorus Xtreme looks best of the bunch), and has a built-in DAC that the Taichi doesn't seem to have?, so I guess that's that... Taichi might have a slightly better BIOS, but I dunno

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Yup

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Aorus Master I guess

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Yeah it seems like an obvious choice there.

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I'm using a MEG Z390 from MSI atm, but only because I effed up the pins on my Z370 Taichi

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Reviewer privileges bcaGuiltySweat

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 12:09 PM

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https://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipseturi/amd-ryzen-3000-ddr4-scaling-part-ii-samsung-b-die-vs-micron-e-die-vs-hynix-cjr-english-version/7

lab501

AMD Ryzen 3000 DDR4 Scaling - Part II – Samsung B-Die vs Micron ...

2 x 16GB Samsung B-Die Using a dual-rank B-Die memory kit, such as GSkill TridentZ Neo DDR4 3200 CL14 2 x 16GB, we get higher performance than 4 single-rank B-Die sticks. We also stopped at DDR4 4000 18-18-18-39, but we were able to run DDR4 3800 1:1 with 16-16-16-36 2T, w...

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 12:19 PM

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Good to know.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 12:22 PM

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2x8 GiB results are also verz interesting

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 12:55 PM

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O11 White or Black?

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Leaning toward white

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 12:58 PM

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Either honestly. I've had both but ended up with the Black one, because it fitted my cyberpunk theme better ultimately.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Hmm
White will be more reflective of case lighting , black might look cleaner in a not so bright environment?

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Now for PSUs...

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Be Quiet or Seasonic are my goto by default.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:06 PM

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This was the first I clicked
https://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2018/07/03/seasonic-prime-ultra-750-titanium-power-supply/

JonnyGURU.com

Oklahoma Wolf

Seasonic PRIME Ultra 750 Titanium Power Supply

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Already like it

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And the price is decent, too

thick elk Nov 23, 2019, 1:06 PM

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I tend to just do my research and buy what happens to be the best fit for me.
Right now I have an XFX one.

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Though both be quiet and seasonic make good power supplies seasonic is often a bit expensive for the specs and be-quiet just isn't always the best bet.

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:08 PM

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And to further muddy the waters. Seasonic makes PSUs that are rebranded as other makes.,

thick elk Nov 23, 2019, 1:09 PM

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Most "Manufacturers" just order from the few big supplies, sometimes copying their models sometimes customizing them so yea.
Seasonic is pretty much the only one of the real manufacturers that actually sells a lot under their own brand.

ashen spindle Nov 23, 2019, 1:10 PM

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I like seasonic becuase they often have a nice overhead in the psu incase something does go wrong and you do draw more watt that you should

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also just good quality of the whole package

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:11 PM

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There's a guy over on the NZXT Discord who knows far too much about PSU tech and comparisons to be considered sane.

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He has a chart somewhere, but I couldn't find the link just now.

thick elk Nov 23, 2019, 1:12 PM

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I have seen a few of those as well.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Damn, that'd be awesome

thick elk Nov 23, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Ultimately while doing your research can be fun and interesting, getting a decently rated known brand psu which fits your requirements easily will generally be just fine.

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Sure you may get a bit worse specs or pay a bit more but it will work

ashen spindle Nov 23, 2019, 1:14 PM

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oh no that would be far to easy to be acceptable for him to do

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:14 PM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_GMev0EwK37J3zZL98zIqF-OSBuHlFEHmrc_SPuYsjs/edit#gid=0

Google Docs

The Power Supply Guide™

General Information

Written and compiled by: PSUGuru,Basic information
Note* This information is correct to the best of my knowledge. That being said, there may possibly be incorrections,Why should you choose a quality PSU? A solid power supply will help ensure your PCs long...

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:14 PM

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http://www.jonnyguru.com/blog/2015/10/25/corsair-rm1000x-1000w-power-supply/6/
🤔

JonnyGURU.com

Oklahoma Wolf

Corsair RM1000x 1000W Power Supply

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:15 PM

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There it was - I take NO responsibility for bad info 😄

ashen spindle Nov 23, 2019, 1:21 PM

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oh wow, I checked how much I payed for my previous SSD's

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170 for 256 gb, then 150 for 512 gb now im looking at 150ish for 1 TB

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:22 PM

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I'm thinking of just dropping in a 970 Evo PLus 500 GB
And waiting for the 980 models to come out

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My first one was 280€ for 128 GB

ashen spindle Nov 23, 2019, 1:22 PM

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im just waiting for any decent samsung ssd to drop during black friday then grab one

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I just need more space, not need for high speeds

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though I guess I should look if I have enough cables for another sata one lol

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:23 PM

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I dug out a 64! GB SSD out of my NAS the other day.

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That's barely enough for Win10 these days 😄

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Haha, yeah

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So, Seasonic Prime Ultra it is

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:24 PM

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But I used to boot the NAS OS from a USB thumbdrive previously so... yeah... it doesn't need a lot 😄

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Anything else wouldn't be an upgrade from my RM1000i :p

ashen spindle Nov 23, 2019, 1:24 PM

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ok looks like it will be a m.2 I'll be looking for

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I do have a 3rd ssd slot but cant get the cable that way

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:24 PM

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M.2 NVME or SATA 2.5" SSD. M.2 SATA is such a sad waste 😄

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bcaNooo2Never

ashen spindle Nov 23, 2019, 1:25 PM

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its not becoming my main drive anyway

#

and it depends whatever will be on sale this week

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although maybe I should make the new one my C drive... the current one is already running for a long time

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26.000 hours on power lol

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Ugh, those things have poor availability

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That's nothing

#

I've drives with over 60000 hours :p

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Caseking, Mindfactory, Alternate don't seem to list them at all

old marlin Nov 23, 2019, 1:30 PM

#

which?

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:31 PM

#

Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium

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What a name...

#

Seriously

old marlin Nov 23, 2019, 1:31 PM

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wattage?

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https://geizhals.de/?cat=gehps&xf=1119_6~818_Seasonic

Netzteile mit Hersteller: Seasonic, 80 PLUS (115V): ab 80 PLUS Tit...

Preisvergleich und Bewertungen für Netzteile mit Hersteller: Seasonic, 80 PLUS (115V): ab 80 PLUS Titanium

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wtf

#

only very small stores have them

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:33 PM

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I'd go with 850W, I guess

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Dunno what's up there...

#

Maybe stock will come soon

#

@reef patrol Wanna help me pick parts for a custom loop? What do I need, pump, reservoir, CPU block, GPU block, Rad(s), tubes, fittings, coolant?

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop-configurator/

If you're really set on it, EK has a good configurator wizard that helps you pick parts. When you have done that, you can swap with alternatives. 🙂

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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👌

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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But uh... expect to pay something in the range of 5-700€ in total

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That's for both CPU and GPU*

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Would I want 1 or 2 rads?

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:39 PM

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One for each component you want to cool - Or more (More cooling surface, the less your fans have to work to keep it chill, so it's more quiet)

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2-3 rads, so you can run those fans at below 1000RPM at all times for your ears sake 😄

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:41 PM

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What about this thing?
O11D Distro-Plate G1

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Seems a bit steep in price for what it does?

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:42 PM

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It's basically a fancier looking replacement for your pump and reservoir.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Oh wow, it's large

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Yeah they generally cover the entire front or in this case side mount.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Wait, it comes with a pump?

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Huh

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Yup.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Doesn't sound so bad now

#

If it's a good one...

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Pump is in bottom left.

📎 unknown.png

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:43 PM

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That leaves space for 2 rads?

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Guess you'd need to daisychain a third

old marlin Nov 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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why would you need more than 2 360 rads?

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Honestly not 100% about rad room with it installed.

#

Looks like top and bottom is definitely doable.

📎 unknown.png

old marlin Nov 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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that isn't the O11-D

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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@old marlin iirc Ryzen's boost clocks are rated at max. 50°C

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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blobthinkingglare

old marlin Nov 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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that is the O11D XL

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Well feck.

old marlin Nov 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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USB ports at the bottom and a 120mm slot at the back

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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One sec. Gonna snap mine real fast.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Actually, I was probably going with the XL

old marlin Nov 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

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and the XL has that ROG thingy

📎 unknown.png

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don't think there is a distro plate for the XL yet

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

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This one fits the XL

old marlin Nov 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

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oh

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ok

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

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📎 IMG_20191123_144631.jpg 📎 IMG_20191123_144640.jpg

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:47 PM

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📎 2127929-n21.png

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:47 PM

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In going to say. no. Don't expect top 240mm radiator with the plate side mounted.:)

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:47 PM

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📎 2127929-n22.png

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Top is XL, bottom regular

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:47 PM

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🙂

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:48 PM

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You need to do a little bit of dusting :p

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 1:48 PM

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Open case.

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Can't close it till I get the last screws and bits for a pump I am beta testing for EK.

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📎 W7l6gXG.png

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Gotta fix this before I redo the loop again, and then dust off the PC and close it back up.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 1:56 PM

#

Any advantages of hard tubes, other than a cleaner look?

#

Seen a built that used soldered copper pipes like you'd use in contruction
Looked pretty good, too

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Clear pipes and coloured coolant, or matte black pipes?

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Entire matter of taste. Softtube is generally a lot easier to do and maintain.

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Hardtube "looks better", but it's also more leak prone.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 2:16 PM

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Yeah, looked up some stuff

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Gonna stick to soft

#

Although that Distribution plate would make hard a lot easier to deal with, since you'd pretty much only have straight lines

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But yeah, soft it is

ashen spindle Nov 23, 2019, 2:17 PM

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oh I need to check if I have to change my cables for an m2 ssd

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bc using a m2 slot disables a sata port

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 2:18 PM

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A couple of 45 or 90 degree angled fittings can help keep tubing straighter. Or closer to a perfect 90" curve.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 2:18 PM

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What about the blocks? Clear top or black?

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Dunno if I like the clear ones

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Metal ones are more sturdy. Plexi can crack if you screw the fittings in too hard.

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Also never, ever use isopropyl alcohols on plexi. It will weaken it or crack it 😄

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Gonna hop off for a bit to clean mah home office. The folks over on the EKWB Discord are super helpful. 🙂

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 2:20 PM

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I've only got acetone and wiping benzine

ashen spindle Nov 23, 2019, 2:20 PM

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phew dont need to change my cables, past me was smart enough to think about choosing the right sata ports

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 2:20 PM

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blobthumbsup

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 2:20 PM

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I'll check out that discord

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 5:22 PM

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ahh i forgot how good it feels to be above 1080p, hnggggggg

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Ahhh 144hz is weird

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 5:29 PM

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😄

#

It's so obvious even on desktop with the mouse.

halcyon moss Nov 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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its super obvious

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hows your screen @pale sigil ?

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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i cant shoot for shit now

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xD

halcyon moss Nov 23, 2019, 5:37 PM

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its all feels so much... better, even at ~60fps

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 5:38 PM

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i dont get the fuss for hdr

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just makes the screen darker

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nvm

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d2 requires full screen

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oh my

halcyon moss Nov 23, 2019, 5:39 PM

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diablo 2 has HDR support? I did not know descent 2 had that

pale sigil Nov 23, 2019, 5:40 PM

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pleb

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 5:48 PM

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@reef patrol
https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop-configurator/shared/oW5dd9430a81b7e

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I think I wanna go with the distro plate after all, though
Too bad it's out of stock until 13th Dezember

#

That configurator has very limited options

#

Like no way to pick a third rad

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Easy to fix at least. 🙂

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Add another rad and two fittings.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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2? not 4?

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Oh, right

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Just two for the rads you've got in that config.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

#

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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The GPU has four openings and some rads have 4-8, which you block off as needed

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 5:51 PM

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I wondered, EK's best pump does 300-something litre/min, but the distro plate is listed at 500
Is that just running at higher RPM?

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Looks good.

Definitely swap those Vardars with something like Noctua. I've had two of my Vardars start making some gnarly sounds over summer. They're just not high end.
You went with the plexi based CPU block after all, but went matte metal for GPU?
I'd add another box of tubing but halve the coolant. You definitely won't need 4 liters worth of coolant for this right away.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Definitely was gonna ask about the fans

#

Had some of the black Noctua's in mind

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 5:52 PM

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The D5 is their "best" pump. It's quieter and uses less RPM to get similar performance. The DDC style ones are a bit "worse" but perfectly usable. My loop uses a DDC at like 50% and I can't hear it at all.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Oh, those they slapped a lower end EK pump on that distro plate?

#

Me no likey

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 5:54 PM

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DDC are much more common. The D5 is mostly for really large loops and BECAUSE I CAN enthusiasts as I recall.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Add a third rad and that sounds like a large loop

#

Not sure about that, though

#

Might make sense

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Ask the folks over on the EK Discord. I am definitely no expert, and I have never had that much loop to deal with. My 360 rad is a really thick one, so it has more obstruction. 🙂

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I could just put a REALLY thick rad on the bottom

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@reef patrol Was going with the black GPU block because it'd kinda look silly with the transparent block unless I was going out of my way to mount it vertically

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 6:13 PM

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I never really noticed with my plexi GPU block that's mounted flat.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Aww crap
No O11D XL's until almost Christmas

#

Now that sucks

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 6:20 PM

#

bcaShame

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You could always just run air till you can order the entire thing.

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 6:21 PM

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I could ghetto rig a cardboard case? 🤔

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Doesn't sound like a good idea, though

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Naw. I meant in the case proper 😄

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 6:25 PM

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I know :p

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Y' never know 😄

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Hmm

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They'll also get the distro plate back in stock by then, so that'd work out

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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You might also want to consider a drain valve, so you can simply turn on that to drain the loop, without having to unscrew or cut tubing (like I do - The lazy git)

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 6:27 PM

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Seriously wonder what difference the pump would make
One's 6W, the other 23W, that's a massive difference

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Damn, those Noctua fans are more expensive than the rads will be

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410€ for 18 fans 🥺

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 PM

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I use Coolermaster RGB fans 😄

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Those weren't super cheap for 3 packs of 3 either.

halcyon moss Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 PM

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uhh.. 18 fans? wtf?

reef patrol Nov 23, 2019, 6:33 PM

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AND I accidentally tore the wires on two of them when I re-did the loop recently. So... yeah. Fun

zenith sonnet Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Don't think Noctua have RGB yet
It's a massive step forward that they now have black fans with coloured vibration pads xD

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@halcyon moss 2 loops with 3 rads each

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Can't find any of the EK parts on there, so that's probably the best I can do for now
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/hPDYgJ

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 11:51 AM

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@reef patrol You don't happen to know if the Swedish shop 'Inet' ships to Germany? Can't find anything on their site
OK UK have them, too, but they want 92 GPB shipping ._.

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The case, I mean

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That's a big no, lol
They even ask the same price in pounds you'd normally pay in Euros

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reef patrol Nov 24, 2019, 12:10 PM

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what

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 12:18 PM

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I think the only way is to use a standalone reservoir+pump combo, or the distro plate and a standalone pump, and cut the DDC from the loop

reef patrol Nov 24, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Pretty sure the plate won't work properly then.

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It's designed around the pump moving the liquid.

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I'd just go pumpRes and no plate, if you're not going to use the plate as a pump. Put that bling money elsewhere.

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 12:27 PM

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A third rad 😂

reef patrol Nov 24, 2019, 12:28 PM

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bcaScoff2

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 1:16 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/eeEQI58.jpg
Just found this

Imgur

Another O11 XL build

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Is probably very similar to what I was gonna build

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https://imgur.com/gallery/xDNXxmP

I also quite like the look with hard tubes and fittings at every corner

Imgur

O11D XL Build

pale sigil Nov 24, 2019, 6:44 PM

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So ugh

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Power options matter for ryzen?

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temps seem to spike on balanced

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Either you use Ryzen Balanced or 1usmus Ryzen Universal
Win 1909
Make sure C-states, C&Q, whatever is enabled in BIOS, PBO should be off

pale sigil Nov 24, 2019, 7:17 PM

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@zenith sonnet more details plez

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Sure, on what?

pale sigil Nov 24, 2019, 7:17 PM

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all of it

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xD

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Ryzen Balanced gets recommended by AMD
1usmus Ryzen Universal is a power plan made by someone over at TPU
Supposedly does some additional minor tweaks. Like, Default seems to be that Windows 'may' use the best cores, and he sets it that Windows must use the best cores

pale sigil Nov 24, 2019, 7:19 PM

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how do you use others

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never used ryzen

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Win 1909 comes with improvements to the Windows Thread Scheduler particularly for interesting for Ryzen

ashen spindle Nov 24, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Go to his Twitter he has his stuff linked there

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 7:21 PM

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And lastly, some BIOS's come with poor default settings
You also may wanna check it's up to date (AGESA 1004B)

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E.g. some have PBO enabled by default, or C-states disabled

pale sigil Nov 24, 2019, 7:48 PM

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he is on an old vios

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bios

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lol

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Intel is straight plug in lul

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Intel hasn't really done anything new in almost a decade

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🤷

pale sigil Nov 24, 2019, 8:10 PM

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true dat

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Other than change sockets every other gen

old marlin Nov 24, 2019, 8:17 PM

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well, "change"

pale sigil Nov 24, 2019, 9:57 PM

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https://www.pcmag.com/news/366051/mastercard-bans-automatic-billing-after-free-trials

PCMAG

Mastercard Bans Automatic Billing After Free Trials

The credit card company now requires merchants to get a cardholder's approval, via text or email, at the end of a trial before they start billing.

sudden glacier Nov 24, 2019, 10:00 PM

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I like how that link still worked anyways

pale sigil Nov 24, 2019, 10:00 PM

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Oh god

reef patrol Nov 24, 2019, 10:04 PM

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bcaHappy2Want

pale sigil Nov 24, 2019, 10:12 PM

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dont think i can ever go back to 60fps....

zenith sonnet Nov 24, 2019, 10:54 PM

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Who'd ever want to?

pale sigil Nov 24, 2019, 11:49 PM

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My friend had a shitty experience building his first proper build

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kinda feel bad for him

ashen spindle Nov 25, 2019, 12:00 AM

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did he drop the gpu or what

pale sigil Nov 25, 2019, 12:18 AM

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its so annoying how blury 1080p is for me now lol

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@ashen spindle He snapped his gpu fan wire (its his older gpu), having issues with temps and ryzen stuff, windows is bugged af etc

pale sigil Nov 25, 2019, 1:13 AM

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literally running no games

plush summit Nov 25, 2019, 1:17 AM

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i wonder

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what will hapen

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if i

pale sigil Nov 25, 2019, 1:30 AM

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@proud nacelle i really wish i could stop using it

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But i play d2 to much

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and the anti cheat gets triggered

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😦

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When using Linux

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cos of pvp

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its a good anti cheat tbh

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since steam release there were the odd few hacers

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hackers

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very rare

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before it was once in a blue moon

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i think people are exploiting the steam overlay somehow

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cos nothing could be injected and you couldn't even use overlays

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and its their ow

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and invasive

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ugh ok thanks

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pale sigil Nov 25, 2019, 2:11 AM

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http://mrpl.me/t4769b_rfE8.jpg

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first for everything

burnt dragon Nov 25, 2019, 5:02 AM

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So will the lekker be faster than the apex pro OmniPoint or B930 keyboard

old marlin Nov 25, 2019, 8:27 AM

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what exactly do you mean with faster?

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lower input delay? yes

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even the normal wootings are faster

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the fastest on the market in fact

feral jolt Nov 25, 2019, 9:03 AM

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I've been kicked by EAC errors more times than I can count in squad

zenith mirage Nov 25, 2019, 10:32 AM

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Oh man, I feel like every time that game gets an update, I have another problem with EAC

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But hey, at least helis are neat

old marlin Nov 25, 2019, 12:03 PM

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10980XE lul

zenith sonnet Nov 25, 2019, 2:07 PM

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Barely holds its ground against the 3950X, as expected
Meanwhile AMD announced the 3990X

reef patrol Nov 25, 2019, 2:07 PM

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The prices though.

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I swear - If I hadn't gotten my 9900K prototype for free (well lent to be exact), I would have never had anything remotely similar. I would still be on my 8700K (which was a cheap upgrade from a 7700K)

zenith sonnet Nov 25, 2019, 2:11 PM

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I'm gonna roll with the 3600 after all :lul-2:

burnt dragon Nov 25, 2019, 2:11 PM

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@old marlin no their isnt

zenith sonnet Nov 25, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Wait, why won't it convert that emoticon?

old marlin Nov 25, 2019, 2:16 PM

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@burnt dragon wdym

burnt dragon Nov 25, 2019, 2:21 PM

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The lekker switch isn’t the fastest

old marlin Nov 25, 2019, 2:22 PM

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what do you mean with fastest

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activation point?

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it can be wherever you want

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on lekker

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wootings have the lowest input delay though

burnt dragon Nov 25, 2019, 2:23 PM

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What is lekker input delay

zenith sonnet Nov 25, 2019, 2:35 PM

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Is there anything I could/should get? Are their mousepads good enough? Or should I order Artisan? 🤔

📎 Screenshot_20191125-153345.jpg

old marlin Nov 25, 2019, 2:41 PM

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don't order artisan lol