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#🔌│tech
fair gull
but as its looking rn i might get transfered to server stuff
lets hope i can restore the data partition
loud hemlock
reading this made my head hurt
fair gull
experiencing this made my head hurt
monday 9:30am and you get blastet with this 30minutes after your shift starts
thats how i like monday mornings
zenith sonnet
So you're just a waste of taxpayer money? 🤔
stiff herald
So, to have an anakog keyboard (hardware wise)
I just need a lekker switch
And then have a hall effect sensor under the switch
Wootings software can handle the rest I think
fair gull
no thats not how it works
wootings software is for wooting keyboards
if u make your own
you will need your own firmware for the kbd and your own software
ashen spindle
you can use the analog sdk to build upon it, that's what it is made for, but it's not that simple plug and play for recreating analog
sick creek
Lmao yeah and build your own pcb
fair gull
how would he use the analog sdk on a custom pcb
ashen spindle
isnt that the point? to provide an sdk other vendors can use so games would only need one thing and work with different keyboards? or did I mix up sdk with something else?
reef patrol
The SDK isn't firmware though.
fair gull
from what he wrote he wants a custom keyboard and only buy the switches
So, to have an anakog keyboard (hardware wise)
I just need a lekker switch
And then have a hall effect sensor under the switch
Wootings software can handle the rest I think
ah yeah okay the firmware to read the data is obviously not included, yea forgot about that
fair gull
the sdk is completely useless since ud write custom firmware and a custom way of interacting
reef patrol
I REALLY want to make a Datamancer style keyboard now.
They use it constantly in Warehouse 13 😄
manic crypt
So the older style analog flaretech switches relied on putting the active components on the PCB, but the lekkers have everything inside them? Or do they require an SMD hall effect sensor underneath?
ashen spindle
flaretech uses optical sensors, lekker uses hall effect
manic crypt
And neither has the sensor integrated in the switch? they need to be placed externally?
manic crypt
I'm just walking into the keeb community for the first time today, and trying to clarify some misconceptions
manic crypt
Well I get hall effect sensors
So the switch unit itself has the pinouts for the sensor? cool
manic crypt
Ah fair, so the switch is just mechanical, and sensing is done with an external component
fair gull
as the gif shows the sensor is on the board and the switch only moves the magnet
this means switching switches is easier
cause no pins to bendy bendy
plus no pins in general
manic crypt
Interesting
fair gull
pins means thicker pcb generally
unless u find some manufacturer who can do a good job at soldering in the inhole pin holders
manic crypt
I didn't see any discussion of Gauss or hall effect sensitivity recommendations, or much of any hardware development published on the developer portal or the github. Is hardware dev less of a thing in here than software dev?
fair gull
wha
hardware is done by wooting themselves
we can shoot them suggestions and ideas but its on them to implement everything
same for software
while the sdks are opensource the FW isnt
manic crypt
Yeah but they do sell the switches
fair gull
same for the wootility
ya they sell the switches for future lekker kbd owners
like the guys that preorder it
manic crypt
Fair enough
fair gull
sure you can build a kbd but they wouldnt tell you how exactly
ashen spindle
the lekker switch is still being developed, we will get vidoes of the factory soon, but we wont get them before q1 2020
manic crypt
I see. Was looking at the possibility of using them for a silly engineering senior thesis project over 2020, so I might look into other options for the inputs
ashen spindle
you could shoot them an email and see if there is a possibility for something
manic crypt
Aye for sure
Again, I'm totally new to mechanical keyboards, just chasing down a suggestion on this project, so thanks for the polite answers 🙂
pale sigil
just keeps rising
zenith mirage
What is this
zenith mirage
And it's just that easy ladies and gentlemen
Unless you're me, then it's not
Only company that does gigabit around here so they don't budge
pale sigil
last time it wasn;t
they offered me such a shit deal even when i went through the cancellation!
fair gull
well im happy to pay for private fiber woth 1gbit down and 500mbit up
usually more expensive for german standards
for example 1&1 want me to pay 2grand for putting in the fibre and then 199/mo the first 12months and 499/mo after that for just 1gbit down and 200mbit up
Telekom Germany wants 1.5grand for putting the fibre into le ground and then 120/mo after that
so my current deal with free fibre into the ground and just the 120/mo is the best i can get
zenith sonnet
@fair gull Where can I get a deal like that?
old marlin
only if you are lucky
fair gull
avacon germany
they are putting fibre into smaller towns
we are their current project together with Gardelegen
they pmuch book on everyone staying with them for the next 10years
thats why the fibre is put in for free
and since the 100mbit and 250 etc are priced exactly like telekom etc... no reason to switch
especially since they state a minimum download speed of well the same as maximum in their contracts
pale sigil
Using my phone atm
My faulty one
Missed it so much
I almost don't wanna send it back lol
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVbh_FEiF2E
Oh my. It's almost finished now. What a marvel of engineering and precision that is 😄
Skip to 1:50 for a closeup. So many details.
fallow bison
I've been following it since #1, so fascinating
misty saffron
Telekom Germany wants 1.5grand for putting the fibre into le ground and then 120/mo after that
wtf
in russia you get that for free and pay 20-30 usd a month
reef patrol
No one digs for free in Europe. You either wait for the supplier to dig where you live, or you pay them to come out and dig the shortest way to you.
We pay something like 50€ for 300/300 here.
pale sigil
Wtf
my system is using 16gb
legit first time seeing this
was some huge memory leak
ashen spindle
uhhh no memory leaks should still be shown in task manager
pale sigil
no i mean
i had a huge spike at least
When i was in game
in a spot
entire OS went ape
plush summit
how do you live in 2019 with 8 gb ram?
sudden glacier
idk i keep my processes clean I guess
fair gull
if smth uses ram its in taskmgr unless u got 32gigs of ram then the ~50% usage ion ur screen are accurate
sudden glacier
my gpu also has 4 gb shared memory but idk what impact that has
ashen spindle
nothing to do with ram
sudden glacier
I assume when you use more artistic applications like photoshop with a billion layers you'll use 8gb
but that's not me so I've been good for a long time
reef patrol
Yeah you kind of need to use a lot of memory space for 16gb to be required. My laptop has 16 for they purpose, but I rarely need it.
Largest PSD files I've worked with are half a gig by itself, and then multiplied a bit when unpacked.
pale sigil
fair gull
@sudden glacier shared memory doesnt show as available ram
reef patrol
fair gull
mayo is really good
ashen spindle
surprised we still see color in that low quali gif
reef patrol
Discord really killed that gif. Yikes
fair gull
zenith sonnet
How do those images work?
fair gull
secret
fair gull
uuuuhhh you touch my tralala
reef patrol
Old 4chan meme format. Using...I forgot if it was layers or channels to show differently depending on how images are encoded in what you're using.
fair gull
nope
literally a bog standard png
open it in any editor
literally discord magic
cause afaik discord is the only thing that does this
its nothing bad
sfw
and all that
respec
reef patrol
fair gull
@digital cliff
do it
come on
i made 3 pictures for u
and u ignore them
should have not put nsfw behind the third one tho
@zenith sonnet wanna know how they work?
fair gull
4chan ones?
zenith sonnet
They show something else in thumbnail format than when enlarged
fair gull
any example link?
zenith sonnet
https://youtu.be/XjXRUvDBxrM?t=252 (NSFW, despite youtube)
Oh, maybe this is better, and safer
https://thume.ca/projects/2012/11/14/magic-png-files/
reef patrol
Yeah those
fair gull
well the pics i send were actual PNGs
without trickery
and its a standard since august 4 2008
called
APNG
zenith sonnet
Oh
reef patrol
zenith sonnet
Better gifs
reef patrol
Except they totally have trickery 😛
fair gull
2 frames, first frame 0 delay, second frame 1 delay, turn on skip first frame
nope
its the browser
reef patrol
That is literally trickery!
fair gull
literally just the browser not implementing APNG correctly
like chrome etc implement it right
just discord fucks up
stray haven
has there been a 60% keyboard announced yet??
fair gull
multiple
stray haven
good
fair gull
stray haven
wooting version
fair gull
then no
fair gull
60% wooting is a niche in a niche
stray haven
ye
ashen spindle
Did you just read the headline or also the Update to that Story?
crimson wigeon
I think the more relevant thing is that welp, more vulnerabilities time to lose slightly more perf
zenith sonnet
I read the article, but I missed the link at the top
Doesn't seem to change much, though?
ashen spindle
Yes it does??? It is correct data just with a typo on the slides and Not great visibilty for how they got it
Instead of „intentionally misleading“ the data was 100% accurate
zenith sonnet
Nobody claimed it wasn't accurate
It was a misleading scenario and still is
ashen spindle
How is it misleading?
pale sigil
another thing to add to why i dont like intel anymore
zenith mirage
oh what a turnaround it's been the last few years
ins't that just the nature of technology these days?
old marlin
most of that is predictive shit
which apparently has a ton of security holes
AMD is a much safer bet
in general most of these security holes are irrelevant to most users
unless you virtualize
since getting admin or system rights in windows is easy
well
if you run windows you already have gaping holes
linux had the same problem until recently
and probably still has exploits
but gl finding malware targeting linux
most of spectre and meltdown were problematic because you could execute code outside of the VRM you had infected
which is a huge problem for servers etc
but not for home users
well
msot stuff gets supported pretty long
in theory a GTX 580 can still run DX12
if you ever treid it you see why that is uncommon
it needs software implementation
which is slow
and keeping an old OS like XP up to date is a huge amount of work
mixrosoft even went agains tehir ended support
and published an update to fix wannacry
?
hardware support of DX12 is essential
it is like emulating a PS3
it runs like shit
although the emulated hardware is a lot weaker than your system
yes
still got the support though
yea
and that is the problem
new requirements make the old hardware oboslete
many people replace their hardware long before reachign that though
uhhhh
is 2nd gen vega the radeon 7?
oh yea
that usually is how it goes
you wouldn't believe what kind of security flaws we found at work
in some external systems
stuff like an api that doesn't ask for login data or an api key
well yea
that is the point
what 2d game is demanding?
dwarf fortress 
?
I am happy that 3d games don't look like they are from 2000
powerfull hardware gets cheaper on every release
which further pushes down pricing of used parts
powerful as in
can run everything on reasonable settings
not as in 2080ti
well yea obv
but even then
we only recently got to realistic looking digital faces for cinema
mostly gameplay
I have no problems with old games
I love doom and dagerfall for example
but good graphics is an added bonus
well
on most games you can mess with .ini files
even then
something like path of exile still is demanding with textures set to 1x1
my brother suffered from it a lot
ant icheats are terrible nowadays anyways
you get banned for having open cheatengine
or similar hex editiors etc
or that
I NEED AHK though
yea
new HMD
called snacker
wtf
not intended as an end user product btw
nah
most update every second gen
no matter if they need it or not
then there still are people that hold tightly onto their phneoms and their 9800 GT
yea
because most people ahve no idea what they actually need
pascal/polaris was a big step in VRAM
which was kinda important
but you can get a vega 64 for like 300 or less now
sicne prices dropped quick and hard
that should set you very much for a good amont of years
good performance, very fast and good amount of VRAM
nto saying you should upgrade
just that it becomes more and more tempting
especially with all those people thatgot a 970
which was a decent deal
until the last 500mb of memory were needed
nah
they all do pretty well
performance and price wise
as long as certain manufacturers don't bork their card
but nvidia did that with their base models
glued AND big problems
they lost a lot on vega
the HBM alone was like 160$ iirc
5700XT uses GDDR6
dunno pricing on that
probably also expensive
but prices didn't drop as much
retaielrs had to carry most of the price drop though
originally a vega 64 was like 600-700$ iirc
not really
was a big spike in EU
I got an RX 580 basically on release
and sold it for 50% more 3 months later
was at the peak price here
~450 euro
for a used one
and after the mining hype prices dropped a ton
feral jolt
Sounds pretty good for retailers
old marlin
was bad for retailers
sicne they had a ton of stock immediatley sell out for the original price
then very little at a high price
and when the restock arrived it didn't sell at all
feral jolt
I thought miners were buying em up
old marlin
well yea
but very quickly at once
when the price went up most cards were sold already
ehhh
cuda
if you have anything specific that uses it
ansel
crimson wigeon
RTX
old marlin
and some games with hairworks
RTX is shit
real time raytracing isn't market ready yet
and current AMD cards can do it comparably well if you do it right
won't happen though
real time raytracing failed miserably
DLSS is pretty nice
teh problem is the performance drop
metro did it pretty well
well yea
prebaking already can do a lot of it
then put in some well made dynamic lighting and you are like 80-90% there
HL1 still has the best sound engine lol
that sound engine is now owned by creative
and they basically dumped it
nvidia used somethign similar when trying to market RTX
basically uses raytracing to see how sounds bounce
works surprisingly similar to light with different values
zenith sonnet
@old marlin Right, Vega 2nd Gen is the VII
zenith sonnet
Not sure if any other product uses second gen Vega
zenith sonnet
At least not desktop GPUs
old marlin
Mac Pro gpus
zenith sonnet
Maybe some APUs?
old marlin
not afaik
zenith sonnet
Mac Pros won't use that driver, though :p
old marlin
they eitehr use 14nm vega or maybe soem with navi
probably not lol
I wish they were normal PCIe cards
would be interesting
old marlin
well yea
zenith sonnet
Maybe then?
old marlin
small navi is already on the driver site
in the screenshot
as well as the mobile variation
there will at least be a 5300M for apple though
they had some exclusive hardware before though
zenith sonnet
Anyway, current prices/features, I can't recommend any 20 series Nvidia cards at all, unless you don't care about budget but want that 2080 Ti
5500 or 5700/XT are better value
zenith sonnet
Oh yeah
old marlin
they aren't king in the gpu martket yet
zenith sonnet
AMD isn't king in the GPU market though..
Nvidia marketing is stronk
They are now undisputed king of the CPU space
From the Athlon 3000G up
zenith sonnet
That's old, mate
zenith sonnet
Nee charts are way crazier
old marlin
by now we have to hope that intel has something to show
or the situation will just be turned
zenith sonnet
Multiply AMD by 3
zenith sonnet
It's sorta... working?
9900K is just a few % ahead of the 3900X in games, before this weeks security hits 🤔
old marlin
well
viable as in "somehow still sells"
well now we have a ton of AMD fanboys
that are cheering the underdog
market is in a difficult situation for the consumer
zenith sonnet
The 3600 is under a third of the price
old marlin
yea ik
compare it to the 9600k instead lol
the ryzen still comes out on top
but that is the CPU it should be compared with
old marlin
problem is that intel doesn't have anything to justify tehir CPUs to gamers
zenith sonnet
Different process/node
old marlin
ayyy lmao
they have lower IPC
so their clock won't save them
paid 75 euro for my 1600
got it from an alterante employee lol
zenith sonnet
I want that 3950X already
old marlin
150 together with a B350 tomahawk
oh, 3950x benchmarks are out now?
decent price at the time
rn probably still a bit cheaper
zenith sonnet
Not yet
zenith sonnet
Wait
zenith sonnet
That was about a leak, the 10980 vs 3950 thing?
old marlin
😴
box looks disappointing
eya
I wouldn't trust that
would be insane though
wtf
pretty close to TR
with a 16 less threads
alright
probably the test closest related to games from golem
old marlin
didn't take it as such
zenith sonnet
Then proceed to use an old version
old marlin
so it basically is a slighly better 9900k with the multicore performance of a TR
zenith sonnet
This bit is actually really important for any Ryzen 3000 chip:
Hinsichtlich der Leistungsaufnahme gibt es beim Ryzen 9 3950X keine Überraschungen: AMD spezifiziert ihn mit 105 Watt, bei unter 62 Grad Celsius Tcase darf er aber wie andere Ryzen 3000 bis zu 142 aufnehmen.
Keep those damn things cool
old marlin
lags behind in games
zenith sonnet
Die Messungen der durchschnittlichen FPS Werte, sowie des 99.9th percentile erfolgten mit dem kostenlosen Tool CapFrameX. Bei dem zweiten Wert handelt es sich um die minimalen FPS, wobei die schlechtesten 0,1 Prozent auf Grund von Messtoleranzen ausgenommen sind.
zenith mirage
uhh, ja
zenith sonnet
I'd understand that as '1%' lowest FPS, with 0.1% lowest excluded
'1%' cause they didn't specify
Are they kidding?
Da AMD dem Ryzen 9 3950X im Gegensatz zu den anderen Ryzen Prozessoren keinen Kühler beilegt, haben wir eine 280 Millimeter All-in-One-Wasserkühlung von NZXT dazu erhalten. Das entspricht auch der Empfehlung von AMD, denn laut Hersteller sollten Sie für den 16-Kerner eine mindestens 280mm große AiO verwenden. Wir haben uns jedoch bewusst für einen Luftkühler, den be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4, entschieden, um zu sehen, ob an AMDs Aussage etwas dran ist.
They recieved a cooler from AMD, and decided to not use it.
And instead use one below the recommendation?
And again, they used an old Windows version that doesn't have the Ryzen aware scheduler
old marlin
Well
Temps worked out well
Testing with both coolers would have been the right decision though
zenith sonnet
Temps weren't good
They hit 68°C under gaming load
Zen 2 likes to stay under 60
GN did a video on that
Zen 2 keeps boosting higher and higher the lower the temps go
Although things slowed down a lot under 55°C, and gains until -80°C were like an additional 50 MHz or so
old marlin
oh right
zenith sonnet
They're doing the frequency curve first
Great
It's not out yet!
Is there a head patting emoji somewhere?
@old marlin Did GN also use an air cooler? Can't find anything concrete
zenith sonnet
For the benchmarks, lol
old marlin
lemme check their articel
zenith sonnet
Article tomorrow :/
pale sigil
Need to drink more milk
reef patrol
zenith sonnet
crimson wigeon
Because Japan is a bit backwards when it comes to this tech
If everything is properly Unicode encoded you won't have any problems
But there are some weirdos who still haven't moved over
ashen spindle
Man you two really are a Match made in Heaven
What you both like to endlessly conplain about stuff that others just ignore
crimson wigeon
We do, it's called Unicode and UTF-8 etc.. it's just that some choose to not use it for some reason
ashen spindle
I don't like that I need to bother[...] sounds a lot like complaining
crimson wigeon
Can't say I've had that problem
Let the package managers take care of that shit yo
Then you don't even have to worry because all required libs come bundled
ashen spindle
Have you tried installing a japanese Language pack?
safe patrol
RFC 1918 - Address Allocation for Private Internets
So what they're saying is... I can have my own Private Internet
zenith sonnet
🤔
zenith sonnet
Noice
timid chasm
lol, I missed GN's 3950x review and just saw the OC vid and assumed they skipped the review just to OC. And I wasn't even surprised.
reef patrol
😄
zenith sonnet
@timid chasm The sample from L1tech shows a much different picture
His boosts to 4750 Mhz
old marlin
what is the problem
is stuff which I just finished
probably won't ever get any design
since it is a webpanel to export
well
I just ran it on my machine
before opening it to the network
happy now?
wait
gotta spice it up
lul
crimson wigeon
Since always, you can do whatever you want
zenith sonnet
How do I printscreen only display 1?
old marlin
sharex
old marlin
sharex is best anyways
zenith mirage
Win shift S is actually really nice
old marlin
I can get a dell laptop from work
for ~3k
so either XPS 15 or Alienware m17
what should I take
reef patrol
Does either have a GPU for gam... rendering?
old marlin
the xps has a 1650
reef patrol
Personally 15,6" is heavy enough.
old marlin
the m17 has a 2070 max q
reef patrol
old marlin
for rendering of course
xps is light af
so not suer if I wanna take the heavier alienware
the xps obv comes with a better display too
reef patrol
XPS imo
ashen spindle
not allowed? wut
old marlin
yea
must be ISO-DE
for the case if it were to be given another colleague
which is unlikely for now
ashen spindle
then your colleague gets something that shows him how to work better, sounds like a win win either way
old marlin
I use AHK
ashen spindle
make the caps key the compose key so it's actually usefully and you get a ton of macros
old marlin
same
ashen spindle
so caps -o-o is ö for me
old marlin
same
but we can't even get people to not with config files
and then later complain about the programm not working
ashen spindle
that reminds me, how do I make the w1 less loud? probably gonna use that at work when I get my lekker for at home
just o rings to dampen sounds?
old marlin
put in a neopren mat
in the bottom case
and then probably lube the stabs
and then o rings
the first two should suffice though
ashen spindle
what do you mean with bottom case, of the switch or the kb itself?
old marlin
the kb itself
and if you don't wanna get something specialized like krytox 205g0 or tribosys 3204 for the stabs I'd recommend using teflon grease
mykeyboard.eu should still have 3204 in stock though
ashen spindle
aight im just gonna ask again when I get the lekker lol
old marlin
that would be best
you could also lube switches wiht that
much more work though
takes ~2 hours at least when lubing the first time
ashen spindle
I just want to be nice to the people in the office not make it completely silent lol
old marlin
ye
neopren doesn't take long and isn't hard
and lubing the stab also is pretty quick
oh right, you can also clip the stabs
takes probably 2 minutes to do
you only need something like a flat side cutter
and then clip off 2 small plastic legs on each end of the stab
these two legs
just completely off
ashen spindle
think I have something for that around
old marlin
already mitigates a tiny bit of rattle
without lubing those stabs won't get quiet though
ashen spindle
oh and I found out nobody at work saw the verge pc guide so I showed that to people today
old marlin
lol
zenith sonnet
I need new SSDs
ashen spindle
well black friday is close
zenith sonnet
Still hoping for some PCIe 4 controllers soon
ashen spindle
and ssds always get some deals there
zenith sonnet
When's that?
ashen spindle
2 weeks
zenith sonnet
Well, I'd be fine with another 970 Pro until I can get something good
ashen spindle
and nothing about different pcie4 controllers, all ssds so far use the one from phison
zenith sonnet
Bet Samsung is working hard on their inhouse controller
Anyway, I haven't seen anything yet that stands above whatever PCIe 3.0 drives we have today
old marlin
afaik only seagate and corsair released a PCIE gen 4 SSD anyways
ashen spindle
aorus has one
but yea, mostly nice that we have pcie4 so we can use products for it once its out
reef patrol
pale sigil
Anyone know a keylogger I can run in the background on my own PC?
fair gull
code one yourself
fair gull
its 100.43 tho
btw why the crap do u need a keylogger on your pc
literally 1 google search
pale sigil
@fair gull ty but its pretty obvious with it being in the tray
nvm
windows allows to disable it
pale sigil
This is mostly for educational purposes
I wanna scare my family into not downloading recklessly
ashen spindle
if the pc still has cd drives get a script that randomly opens and closes it after x minutes of being powered on and repeat
reef patrol
free_cupholder.exe
I don't know any specific ones, but if memory serves they tend to be called "parent child oversight" programs to sound less creepy.
Keylogging, screenshots and such.
old marlin
why would you need the mouse half?
you use a ps2 mouse?
I don't really see the reason why anybody would be using a ps2 mouse
zenith sonnet
Ahh, good old Phenom II
old marlin
you could probably find a functional mouse for that price
which uses USB
and probably is better than whatever PS2 mouse you wanna connect
mmh
cause my 2002 WMO uses ps2 right?
the durability of the mouse has nothing to do with the port it uses
there is no upside
and instead you get outdated hardware
which limits even normal desktop use
am I not allowed to heavily advise against things?
you have to buy something to reuse that old mouse
while something for less will perform better
yea
and the model m dies a quick death to liquid and has rivots falling out
wrong mage
the model m is especially weak to liquid
cause it uses a membrane
well
I could with a modern keyboard too
I don't have rivots to replace though
not everything old is better or worth to keep using
or reusing
get a WMO
besides the sensor limiting speed
and feeling like shit, like all old mice
it isn't 100% horrible
and uses USB
you have seen one
100%
at some point in your life you have probably seen it
it is a generic microsoft mouse
zenith sonnet
What's the point again?
old marlin
they should electrically all be the same
ashen spindle
get a ps2 to usb adapter for 2$ if you want to use a ps2 mouse?
fair gull
@ashen spindle dont even try recommending mage smth
ashen spindle
I know
fair gull
u prob have better luck getting a wall to buy one
old marlin
I honestly don't see the problem
ashen spindle
I mean your point was you have a ps2 mouse, not that you dont have usb ports left anymore
so idk why this wouldnt work
ashen spindle
and the back is full or what
old marlin
?
ashen spindle
?
old marlin
you know that there are USB hubs, which work just fine for most devices
ashen spindle
you can also put the ps2-usb adapter on a usb3 port on the back...
ashen spindle
I dont see why my suggestion doesnt work
fair gull
why are u still arguing with mage this is pointless
u cant win this
hes right everyone else is wrong
old marlin
well, he buys extremely shitty USB devices, and when they break the solution must be ps2 obv
ashen spindle
🌭
fair gull
:the fuck
old marlin
wtf
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
not a big deal he can just break of the two usb ports
thats why they are so far on the outside
easier to break it apart
ashen spindle
but the pcie part might break since its not ps2 so you cant use an extenstion card
old marlin
you do know that those PS2 ports are very likely internally converted to USB?
even that combo port
combo port makes it VERY likely
ashen spindle
ye on high end board they usually are not converted for LN2 support but a combo port definitely is converted
old marlin
why do you even have 3 usb drivers permanently attached?
ashen spindle
because he probably hates SATA more than usb
ashen spindle
and m2 is too new so he has to put all his storage on usb drives
old marlin
probably the weakest connector in modern pcs
ashen spindle
but he'd probably prefer a 5tb HDD over ps2 to be safe
fair gull
we should all use scsi again
ashen spindle
bring back scart as default for everything
you should change your name btw
to usb on fire
old marlin
not even using ISA cards
ashen spindle
now the important question
ps2 connector or a pc working via punch cards, what do you prefer?
ashen spindle
but not ps2
old marlin
USB causes failure in switches and cables 🤔
ashen spindle
usb sata und pcie bricht, aber unser ps2 nicht 🎵
old marlin
lol
fair gull
oh noe drafi deutscher
old marlin
@proud nacelle I have used a ton of mice
also older ones
and I am happy they do them differently now
even the WMO from 2002 is a mess
has sharp edges right on grip areas
the clicks feel like shit
the scroll is trash
and durability didn't get worse
sure, shitty mice break, but that holds true to old mice as well
ashen spindle
ball mice used ps2 so they were the best humanity ever made
old marlin
modern mice just are better lol
ashen spindle
name one thing that you prefer over old things, checkmate
old marlin
well, then you obviously don't give a shit about your mouse
is made from the same ABS
ashen spindle
mage is just one of these chinese novel protagonists that are reborn in their younger self, but instead of remembering it he just retained his old man attitude
ashen spindle
not enough asbestos in newer mice for him
ashen spindle
evening? I woke up 3 hours ago
old marlin
so you want asbestos in your old mouse?
ashen spindle
the day ends when I go to bed, I renounce time based on the sun relative to my position
also trolling mage is always fun regardless of the time
old marlin
I honestly don't know what makes old mice surperior
durability isn't an argument
if you buy shit they will always be shit
no matter if they are new or old
no
just more thought through
intellimouse 3.0 shape was so good that when m$ released a remake they reused the original CAD files
uses USB though lul
ashen spindle
unfortunate downgrade
ashen spindle
yeah but the old one used older usb verison so that wasnt as bad
old marlin
both USB 2
ashen spindle
darn
ashen spindle
wait so ps2 is newer but better? impossible!
old marlin
when buying mice just stay away from 50M omrons and look if the model in general has problems
@ashen spindle USB is newer
and has some new protocols
5 pin din
basically
overclockers need it
ashen spindle
I even posted earlier why ps2 is still on high end boards...
ashen spindle
on LN2 usb can have issues
and ln2 is basically the only reason they still ahve it on them
ashen spindle
yes but they also use ln2 internally to test out the best their board can to to improve it
old marlin
also people think interrupt is superior to polling
1000hz polling is usually faster
I think
and then there are a lot of people that use vintage mechs
but those mostly use usb converters nowadays
yea
out of nsotalgia
they make USB versions too
cherry also makes ps2 g80 boards
they also still used to make M8 until 2013
for what?
it has 0 reason to exist on mice
fickle ore
that's the report rate, the interrupt is nearly instant but ps/2 cannot send multiple inputs in one packet
old marlin
chinese af mice?
@fickle ore polling can be nearly instant too
a wooting in tachyon mode has ~1ms delay
an m1k can get even better
since USB is oveclockable
old marlin
@fickle ore can both get lower
@proud nacelle my alps board for example limited me
no reloading in bl3 during sprinting
fickle ore
depends, you'd need to sync sensor information send over SPI > MCU > USB. So you'd sync everything 10us apart before the poll, in that order
old marlin
ps2
SKCM whit alps
Acer 6012
nah, that is usual for older boards
if they didn't use something that forced n key rollover
like capacitive switches
fickle ore
ps/2 sends each key as packet, so each key has like 1ms delay
usb can send W+A+S+D in 1 ms
for ps/2 it takes 4ms
ps/2 also has to use mcu scanning so that's extra delay there, doubtful of any ps/2 keybs using 1khz scanspeeds, probably lower than modern usb keyboards, but faster than ps/2 report rate I guess
you can't interrupt a ps/2 device faster than every 100hz/200hz aswell
pressing W would then take 1ms + scan speed -> pressing A would then take (the report rate + keysend(1ms) + scan speed
fickle ore
So I would opt for the USB device any day of the week
why bother?
It's slower and uses shittier route to CPU
ashen spindle
you're new here so let me tell you, dont try to convince him when it comes to older/slower stuff
fickle ore
lol
ashen spindle
ya
just set your usb port on fire
its fine you dont need it anyway
nah
then buy a ps2 to usb dongle
I got one for free when I needed one because they didn't need them anymore at the store
no I'm only telling you to get one because they dont exist
fickle ore
use firewire
ashen spindle
just buy some cables and solder a new port onto the mobo yourself
dont worry its ps2, it's robust enough to withstand some failed attempts
💯 🔥
oh darn I through wccftech found some new leaks for the nvidia gpus after ampere
turns out its just the same rumour we heard monday laready
after ampere the gen is rumoured to be called hopper, and will use MCM like ryzen does on cpus
ashen spindle
dont ask
pale sigil
just holes and shit in my desk
they are all over the desk
iuse my desk as a workbench too
so its roughed up
lol
ye
like nearly 6 years old
civic spade
I thought those were thicc coffee stains 😂
pale sigil
@digital cliff 30 quid, lasted me 6 years and still going strong
cant fault it
rest of it is fine
old marlin
Probably because it doesn't make sense to use them
solar hinge
just fill up the holes and put one of those vinyl wraps over it 😄
ashen spindle
oh hey if we are lucky why might still not run out of ipv4 addresses this year
we might make it till january
ashen spindle
oh we might get some first looks at the intel gpus today, they are having raja talk at supercomputing today in 8 hours
solar hinge
where's the GPU
reef patrol
I usually test motherboards, so I don't usually have one 😄
Same with coolers and such. The AIO is purely temporary. Far too small for a 8700K
reef patrol
reef patrol
😄
solar hinge
intel integrated gpus
reef patrol
I'll probably throw a 1660TI in it at some point. while I wait for my ITX LAN case
solar hinge
what?
i was still talking about the GPUs
i was specifying Intel iGPUs
the amd ones are quite ok 😄
ashen spindle
no apu is an amd term
idk 2011?
nvm 2006
wait why should he buy one
I mean the current ones are quite bad, the newer ones on ice lake and later are/seem to be quite good
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol What AIO is better than a NH-D15?
reef patrol
Funny you should say that. The AIO is temporary and will be swapped with a D15 or similar.
Mainly because it's hilariously easy to screw on and off.
zenith sonnet
And performs better. Usually
There isn't much outside of custom loops that beats a D15
Anyway, 3950X reviews
Did they release the NDA early on short notice?
Or did they send out very few samples?
ashen spindle
few samples