the 3600 vs 3200 mhz ram for Ryzen 3000, its only a few percentage points
#🔌│tech
halcyon moss
fair gull
300MHz
zenith sonnet
If you consider the performance of the entire rig
The increase in price is worth the performance gain
Unless your budget is tight
3600 vs 3200 is like 10€ more for 16 GiB kits
zenith sonnet
Stupid BIOS
It's hellbent on enabling XMP
Just can't turn it off
Even if I select 'disabled' and 'manual'
Lol
I'd buy red again if WD
But I'd probably get Hitachi
I think? Would have to read up again
warped dove
Really? WD don't spin down?
Maybe that's why my PC is never quiet
But WD are the most reliable drives...
My case comes with a lot of noise dampening and weighs a tonne thankfully
timid chasm
My blacks are quiet until they start writing something but pretty quiet with avg noise in the room
1900x's were 49.90 at Frys. Interesting
ashen spindle
yeah I heard something about frys having issues, maybe thats causing some price changes for them
timid chasm
Some say they're closing down but their spokesman says that isn't true. Maybe they're just getting rid of old stuff and focusing on certain new stuff? Who knows anymore.
the 1200 was 9.90 but the 1920x is still 869.90
They have really good deals sometimes so I hope they stay in business to keep competition going
zenith sonnet
Might have fixed my instability issues after all
Blasting some more volts through my IMCs seemed to do wonders
Although it remains to be seen if it stays that way
spring valve
can i do something where if i press a key it will activate lets say v and when i let go it will activate v again
zenith sonnet
ZEN 3:
+5-10% IPC
+200MHz
8 core CCX
4 way SMT?
And there I thought Zen 3 isn't gonna be a worthwhile upgrade when you got Zen 2...
zenith sonnet
Well, just rumours at this point, but since there's already early engineering samples of Zen 3 in the wild, it shouldn't be far off
glad scroll
Ah, I see. Yeah, if there are engeering samples of it then it definitely shouldn't be that inaccurate
zenith sonnet
Does what alone?
ashen spindle
Pretty sure 4smt already got caught as false
old marlin
doesn't sound realistic
but if it is that alone would be enough to reason the upgrade
zenith mirage
Somebody explain to this boy what 4 way SMT is
In a nutshell
Because I want to upgrade my CPU at some point, is this a deal maker
old marlin
SMT is the AMD equivalent to hyperthreading
so you had like 4 cores and 16 threads
the implementation of that could be VERY tricky
at least t oget it so a normal user doesn't have big disadvantages because of it
since those 4 SMT cores would share resources
intel did stuff like that in the past with basically a ton of intel Atom cores
for servers
zenith mirage
It sounds neat
old marlin
so a single CPU had like 128 threads
zenith mirage
Boy
old marlin
sounds neat, is unrealistic though
nowadays an EPYC rome CPU has comparable amounts tbh
without 4 way SMT
zenith mirage
Well, either way I'll have a look at zen 3 anyway
Depending on mobo and cpu prices I might snag it
Are there any rumours about DDR5 release windows?
zenith sonnet
Hyperthreading™ is a form of SMT, to be exact
Wow, discord has a TM emoji that's almost the same colour as the background
Way to go
The other idea is, that cores aren't just SMT on/off, but can switch beween 1/2/4 way depending on workload
Anyway, if it didn't make it into Zen 3, it's sure to make its way into Zen 4
For games, 8core CCXs would be way more interesting
For games that can use more than 4 threads, you'd see good gains
old marlin
huawei is allowed to deliver the whole 5g network for germany
old marlin
in "critical areas" providers can decide otherwise
but generally they'll likely use huawei equipment everywhere
wheat plume
Oo
fair gull
oh noe 5g when we dont even have streetview everywhere in germany
fair gull
we are
old marlin
well
yesn't
and tbh
gl spying on 5g
if you can spy on it this way there is no way of avoiding it
zenith sonnet
Who of those that have the tech won't spy on us?
It's not like we can rely on good old German engineering
Cuz we dun make it
And didn't Huawei let various parties access the source code for review?
fair gull
yes its pmuch also what mircosoft does for governemnts
they hand out source to them so they can confirm things
lets make a semiconductor plant in germany
zenith sonnet
In a hundred years, German engineering will be a myth like the vikings of the north
Thanks, green party
faint hatch
you don't want airpods
reef patrol
It's a joke. I kind of want airpods though, because they're the only headphones left that aren't in ear.
I can do without being probed thank you. 😂
reef patrol
No they're not?
faint hatch
ah yes hardcase
yea no i was like that as well due to them never fitting with the rubbers
and the apple hardcases would work
but i went back to soft rubber
as apple earbuds sound bad
reef patrol
Anyhoo. This is a very temp solution, while I find some lightweight over ear headphones. It's a suddenly sudden loss of jack plug 
faint hatch
well i have akg k240's there light
but jack
tho i can make a lightning to mini xlr cablefor it
fair gull
@reef patrol in-ear referes to in-ear headphones which we also call earbuds
thus airpods are in ear
chrome estuary
Buy a pair of M50XBT
They're hella good. They have identical drivers to the M50x. But they also have Bluetooth that last 40hr use
reef patrol
They aren't in the ear as such, tiny
The wording was made before we had drill-in-esr phones. 😁
I...did. and I didn't notice till afterwards, @digital cliff
reef patrol
Eh. It was bound to happen eventually. Just wouldn't have minded more time to get a decent pair.
glad scroll
I'm not sure if the battery time on official airpods is longer than they are on mine, but they don't last that long per charge, for me maybe 45-60 mins
zenith mirage
Are wireless earbuds worth the buy without spending heaps?
Or am I looking at £100+ to get anything decent
fallow bison
If you want good sound quality, the latter
Def go for some buds that support a better codec than sbc
Sonys for example use aac
fallow bison
Also, if you're planning to watch videos with it, can't recommend old Sony wireless earbuds
Newer ones are fine, but the wf1000x's have awful latency
zenith mirage
I really only want them for music on the go, especially when I'm working wiress just get in the way
It really is work that's making me want them wireless
I have no desire for wireless beyond that
chrome estuary
I use cable at home but I can't stand that shit at work so wireless it is
Luckily my headphones and phone are BT5 compatible if that makes any difference
solar hinge
drugs
zenith mirage
Nono, I do them at work
fair gull
@digital cliff it technician
pale sigil
AKA the guy who gets shouted at
zenith mirage
I manage a shop
solar hinge
wanger wanks
zenith mirage
Which involves a fair bit of shifting stuff around, which wires get in the way of
And I wank
And do drugs
But not at the same time
yet
solar hinge
sounds like he mans a store in an RPG game
zenith mirage
Wouldn't that be fun
Until all my stock gets stolen, my pockets are picked and I'm murdered for no good reason
solar hinge
and took a knee to your arrow :p
zenith mirage
And that
chrome estuary
I work in a medical supply factory. All sterilized and clean.
reef patrol
That's it. Buying a pair of over ear headphones. CBA to deal with faulty two piece models.
fallow bison
Over-ear masterrace unite
reef patrol
timid chasm
my only issues with over ear is I sometimes breakout where they lie and they suuuuck with some glasses
❤ my arctic 7's
reef patrol
Mmhm.
I definitely regret selling all of my Sennheiser Momentum headphones. Those were great and wireless.
timid chasm
It would be hard for me to go wired again
chrome estuary
i still recommend the M50xBT
fallow bison
if you want wireless <3 wh100xm3
If its for work / transit, the ANC is fucking great
warped dove
I have something called B&B Pure
it was a kickstarter so pretty huge discount and they're really good ANCs with a built in charging cable
I have the sport fabric swappable earcaps overear and on ear versions no leather, so they're not as good as the Sony ANCs but I don't like the idea of eatsweat
zenith mirage
I've got my eyes on a pair of Sony in ears
They're like £200 but tbh, if I use them a lot it might be worth it
You never have eyes inside your head?
What about your third aye bro
Swig that rum, go out in a field and start eating every mushroom you find. You'll either have a dandy time or you'll die
Also, dark rum and whisky is surprisingly nice
You absolutely would not expect it but it makes good shots
Neither do I, but when the time comes around it's an option
Don't really drink much of anything anymore, which has turned out well for my wallet
I can just buy a bottle of whisky and have it last a couple of months which is nice
Just sipping every now and then
Tis expensive, but if you're like me and you're only drinking it now and then a good bottle can last
Depends if you mix it
Me, I don't water down my whisky or mix it with anything, but if you did you could stretch it out a bit
I and many others feel that way
But some decide to ruin a good whisky
I feel like mixing is more reserved for bourbon in my experience
Stuff like Jack Daniels
Haven't met anybody who prefers Scottish whisky with mixers
JD is trash
And makes no sense here when you can buy actual whisky at the same price
It's got global appeal to be sure, but i think it is down to reputation alone yeah
I will only drink it when it's offered to me for free, other than that ill avoid it like the plague
"whisky"
I guess if you don't know any better
Not sure what the quality of American whiskey is but I can't imagine it's great
What a shame
All I know is it involves fire, big stills and a strong smell
And sometimes peat
Lived real close to a distillery in the Highlands and man it was a strong smell
It's not unpleasant
It's a strong earthy smell
I guess it's more good than bad
Better than the beer brewery I now live next to, which stinks real bad
I guess I must
I certainly know which I prefer tho
zenith sonnet
https://www.techpowerup.com/260141/intel-clarifies-on-10nm-desktop-cpus-still-on-the-table-likely-in-2021
You'd be a fool to buy anything intel in the next 2 years
Unfortunately, they have a very firm grasp on the OEMs
plain locust
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Buy whatever fits your need
I buy intel because AMD is out of the desktop-replacement market for a long ass time
old marlin
uuh
they got back
if you have an infinite amount of money to spend intel is better, sure
but not a lot of people are ready to pay 500$ for a CPU
atm intels marketing point against AMD is legit that intel has more money
zenith sonnet
With 1003 ABBA the 9900K lost its tiny edge against the 3900X
There's no reason to get a 9900K over a 3900X now
And who knows what else 1004 will bring
@plain locust I also have an intel CPU because AMD didn't deliver for a while
But if you build a new system, you should opt for AMD at pretty much any price point
timid chasm
and is there even a reason to go i5's anymore
reef patrol
But that loses its meaning, since you'd never buy a 9900K for just gaming in the first place - You'd grab a 9600K or something.
old marlin
9700k
since it has the same performance in most games
would feel bad to buy an 8 core without SMT in 2019 though lul
reef patrol
Mmm true.
But yeah - I don't own a 9900K (Or a 8700K technically, but it's leased out for benchmarks) because it's the BEST CPU, but because I had ideas of wanting to do a bit of video editing, while ensuring my main focus, gaming wasn't suffering. And I play a LOT of low-threaded games, and I can push my CPU to very high frequencies due to a custom loop.
AMD doesn't make sense in my PC atm. But it does for a LOT of people. I don't ever recommend Intel for customers wanting to build a gaming PC at my store.
old marlin
I do paly a lot of low threaded games
but my old 6600k just didn't ahve the cores to handle a game, voice chat and a video or something
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol Like I said, with 1003ABBA the 3900X is about equal to the 9900K in GAMING
reef patrol
Not in my low threaded games it ain't
And again the entire discussion kind of loses purpose, because a sane person wouldn't buy flagships for just gaming, because the FPS difference is minimal in most games.
zenith sonnet
What I'm really missing is 'real world game benchmarks'
Where they don't run the game on a barebones test rig, but with maybe a browser, VoIP app, monitoring software, text chat, Youtube/Twitch running at the same time
reef patrol
Mmm true. We could do better in this regard. But honestly without a standardised benchmark ala. PC marks battery test, it'd be too many variables to do properly
zenith sonnet
You need to play low thread games at 720p to even see a difference bigger than margin of error
At WQHD, even with low thread games, the difference is small enough to not worry about it
reef patrol
😂
zenith sonnet
Because there's not enough people contributing more topics
I'm still not sure about the 27GL850...
Dat IPS glow is the real deal
10/10 score
I have it on my desk
The question is, keep it?
Haven't seen an alternative yet, though
old marlin
wtf is a 1e gen 910
faint hatch
well i am for now planning a keyboard based on a 1e gen 910
old marlin
I find a lenovo convertible
faint hatch
due to it was 50 bucks
old marlin
well
faint hatch
and i like my macro's
old marlin
romer g is proprietary
faint hatch
and its 100% working
old marlin
you can't do a lot wit hit
faint hatch
i can make hotswap addapters
faint hatch
height isn't a problem
faint hatch
due to more switch options
old marlin
they just feel like shit
faint hatch
i can just try alll
faint hatch
i said i can make addapters
old marlin
and nothign else
faint hatch
i can make the addapters
old marlin
and then raise the switches by 5mm or what?
old marlin
lemme warn you, it will look horrible
faint hatch
i know
faint hatch
different chassis
i will make my own
chassis i will sell
i will only use the pcb
old marlin
there is no point on starting with a g910 then
old marlin
you might as well solder hotswap sockets onto a membrane board
faint hatch
my g510s
old marlin
seriously
faint hatch
well its ment to be a what the fuck thing
with screen and trackpad and audio interface and all
old marlin
so you wnat a keyboard that is as hideous as possible?
faint hatch
no
with as many things as possible
i just like the logitech software for its macro keys
old marlin
and by that compromising all of the other features
faint hatch
no it won't
old marlin
dude
faint hatch
its only compromise will be size
faint hatch
pcb will sit 10mm lower
faint hatch
because better cable management
no
stock chassis sits with like 15mm before the pcb
as well as the chassis will not alow it to lay flat but always be at an angle
yes
old marlin
it sounds horrible
faint hatch
the bane of micro existance
old marlin
without a benefit
old marlin
you do know that the g pro x keyboard will be out
faint hatch
and usb3 hub
old marlin
guess what that uses
faint hatch
cheries
faint hatch
i know
old marlin
compatible with most mx switches
you know what is better
the gmmk does exactly that
but better
faint hatch
but will it have macro's
old marlin
withotu addign a ton of clutter to it
with power adapters etc
it has macros
it is the same damn software
faint hatch
well that
i have set my ways
i will acheve a keyboard that does as i desire
and if possible eventualy make it with a custom lekker pcb as a market version
if possible
but slightly smaller
with less gimics
faint hatch
i said custom pcb
because lekker is a analog switch that can be modified
and hotswaped
i am still doing that
its working out so far
still at startup because i can't do much myself yet in terms of getting parts
but almost at the point were i can sell them
reef patrol
🤔
faint hatch
'no a lekker pcb board in it and less gimics in it
for a production board
like no 24bit audio interface
fair gull
lekker has 24bit audio?
fair gull
so just get a lekker?
faint hatch
i would like to make lekker pcb's to make gimicy keyboards
fair gull
so a niche in a niche
foggy solstice
At some point it just crosses over to custom.
fair gull
u either make a pcb with all gimmics ir none
otherwise ull just have 3billion things and none are really bought
charred sluice
hello
fair gull
hi
pale sigil
NGL if i had the skill id be doing this in a heart beat, or well money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiHuWTZnSXA
faint hatch
i mean its not that hard to make
reef patrol
It's surprisingly decent. On par with similarly priced Sennheiser style gaming headset offerings.
Obviously can't beat an audiophile pair, but which of those have a mic.
timid chasm
That's good news for sure but quality definitely comes at a cost with headsets.
It's something I'd consider if I didn't already have a pair of wireless with a mic.
yay Corsair
fair gull
welp now its working finally
detecting the fucking state of yt music
and actually fetching artist info
brisk basin
hey. I want a wooting two keyboard but im not sure if i can spend over $100 in a keyboard. Which could be a cheaper alternative?
ok thx
can you specify a model?
fair gull
any entry board of theirs since they all are pretty much the same
brisk basin
feral jolt
You should direct your focus to finding a key switch that suits your desires and then start looking for a board. Theres linear, clicky, and tactile, all of various activation points and force, with many brands producing them having varying quality.
pale sigil
!switchchoice
vast helmBOT
Choosing the perfect switch is important and a hard choice! To help with your choice check out our guide here.
https://wooting.helpscoutdocs.com/article/52-what-switch-is-right-for-me
fair gull
@modest adder how do u build wootility for all platforms... i tried setting up travis for 5hrs but i gave up. please enlighten me
old marlin
At that pricepoint I wouldn't look for tactile switches
zenith sonnet
Really stupid question
How do I know if I have HDR content? Do games generally not output HDR colours unless stated otherwise? I'm confus
Ok, found something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FYjApop7Mk
Looks amazing with HDR on, and absolutely terrible on an SDR display
fallow bison
If the game supports it it should be in the games settings
It shouldn't be on by default
zenith sonnet
https://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_games_that_support_high_dynamic_range_display_(HDR)
Too bad Witcher 3 is too old
Weird
They say games older than 2017 can't have it
And then list a few from the 90s
fallow bison
Lol
zenith sonnet
Might be games that have been ported to Vulkan
zenith sonnet
Wrong game version, though 😦
fair gull
downgrade
zenith sonnet
ashen spindle
Coming from CDPR, this is very disappointing
must be a different cdpr he knows
reef patrol
Witcher doesn't have HDR? I am surprised. Genuinely.
fair gull
witcher also doesnt have actual witches
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol Console version got a patch that enabled HDR
Then they went and told PC players off
'We to busy making a GWENT card game to make an HDR patch'
I mean, how difficult can it be to port the HDR setting from the xbox to PC?
reef patrol
Yeah...that's a bad image for sure.
ashen spindle
as much as I love the game, the post launch stuff the did was basically non existent, pretty sure xbox only hot HDR because they got money for it or so
reef patrol
The plot never engaged me. Did play through basegame once though.
pale sigil
gay
plush summit
Lol
zenith sonnet
Anyone experienced with the whole HDR stuff?
reef patrol
Only a bit. Been a while since I had a high nit monitor.
Windows still sucks at supporting it
zenith sonnet
Even with what they added in recent versions?
zenith sonnet
Mainly I'm wondering if SDR content suffers if I enable HDR in Windows
reef patrol
I tried enabling it on my AOC the other day, and windows started acting weird. Just like previously. Odd colours, flickering
reef patrol
Lenovo makes some messed up Hungarian keyboards. Y and Z are swapped. Not just their label but what the actual keybosrd outputs. There's no 0 key on the number row either. It's been moved.
old marlin
Y and Z are swapped in ISO-DE lol
old marlin
well
it is QWERTY in most other layouts
and it was invented by someone using QWERTY
but since it was optimized for thej german language to reduce error counts with typewriters it make sense with QWERTZ in the german layout
reef patrol
I mean physically swapped. As in if your pick a layout that assumes QWERTY it outputs Z instead. Never seen anything like it.
Normally it is just a label, and you let the OS dictate layout changes from Standard ANSI/ISO, but this is beyond that.
reef patrol
The real weird thing is that normally this would mean that the output should be wrong, since Windows thinks Y is Z and swaps them, but somehow Lenovo has overridden this. These Yoga's man.
old marlin
like, I can switch my ISO-DE board to put out a Z when I press Y
and the other way around
did they honestly put effort into developing that
reef patrol
I guess they made some kind of custom layout and included it in the preinstall
old marlin
instead of fixing their shitty laptops
wheat plume
fair gull
share-online was nuked today
pale sigil
never heard of it
fair gull
was the biggest german filehost
pale sigil
AH
fair gull
rn they are taking legal actions against the owners
they are also looking into the top uploaders
and maybe some users
zenith sonnet
I wonder if we ever get rid of legacy keyboard layouts as long as we still use keyboards
Even fresh new high-end hardware like Wooting still uses that typewriter layout...
old marlin
Problem with something likr dvorak is that it gives improvements for the english language
But not as much for other ones
There basocally is no uniform standard that is better for everybody
reef patrol
fallow bison
zenith sonnet
@old marlin You can make language specific versions
You can also make one that's suitable to most languages that use the latin alphabet
reef patrol
The problem is parts. ANSI and ISO share most keys. That makes them attractive to keep around. And it's what people are used to.
old marlin
I useultiple languages though
And learning multiple completely different layouts isn't easy
reef patrol
Agreed. Qwerty night not be the most optimal, but it works for me. I can type without looking, even on my ergodox with blank keys.
zenith sonnet
You don't need to learn multiple layouts
Although it's not actually difficult
And then there's also this:
http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?full_optimization
reef patrol
You do though, if we move away from an English focused layout.
old marlin
the problem would be switching between multiple layouts
and it raises a pretty ehft barrier for learning languages
reef patrol
Hot damn 90hz feels smooth
plush summit
lol
no expandable storrage'
insta pass from me
no headphone jack
insta pass from me
reef patrol
No need for more storage. Who needs that much spac e:D
I'll agree on wireless in theory at least, but I'll admit I don't mind the pair I got.
I looked at my 6, and I use half of the space it has. Smallest model - I have never deleted pics.
plush summit
@reef patrol ive had my phone die
and take its internal storage with it
i was sooooo thankfull to have external storrage
i store everything externaly so that if the phone does die, i lose nothing
fallow bison
That's why you back-up your files
reef patrol
Exactly. Automatic cloud backup is a thing.
SD cards are slow anyhow and just as prone to failure.
fallow bison
Ehh kinda true
I got a 150 mb/'s one in my phone
Perfect for photos, videos and Spotify music
The prone to failure is true though, that's why I backup my data to my pc😁
reef patrol
Sure Google owns my data - but they already did. It took me about 30 minutes to copy over my entire OP6 to my 7T, including settings up apps to stop making sounds and such.
That was straight from cloud.
wheat plume
Is oneplus upgrading their phones to android 10?
reef patrol
The 7T is born with it.
wheat plume
ooohh
reef patrol
And yes - They started rolling out this week.
wheat plume
until how far back?
reef patrol
No clue 😄
wheat plume
ahh
I think I get miui 11 next week
but some charts dot have my phone and some do
and all these charts are from xiaomi
reef patrol
wheat plume
ikr.....
my phone already has it in china
but I have the global rom
Ireland is slow on technology in stores that advertising the fact that a phone can do 4G is a major selling point
Apparently none of the iphone 11s have 4G 😂 GG 3...you doing good
reef patrol
safe patrol
AAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!! --- I am SOOOO Close to getting my Discord Bot working, but these damn infosec a-holes are in my way
fair gull
wha
zenith sonnet
https://www.techpowerup.com/260249/g-skill-announces-extreme-low-latency-ddr4-4000-cl15-32gb-memory-kits
If it's affordable, that's the kit I want
Probably isn't, though
reef patrol
Don't update to Android 10 just yet folks. Image thumbnails for Discord and other apps break.
In other news. The 7T is a right pain to find wallpapers for, because they need to be +4K to not need shrinking.
reef patrol
It's pretty good. Hard to tell a huge difference from my 6 though, which already had a great cam for slice of life.
reef patrol
Oh yes. The 90hz is to die for.
No idea about battery life. Still on first charge cycle.
fallow bison
Finding 4k walls is a pain in the ass
reef patrol
I need larger 😂
fallow bison
I got some nice ones straight from Samsung theme store but I haven't found any other sources yet
Yeah same lol
4k is slightly too small
reef patrol
Finally found an 8K paper I could crop down it 7T dimensions 
halcyon moss
ive been on Android 10 for a while, didnt notice anything weird..
Pixel 2 XL though
reef patrol
I googled the issue and it had many threads on Google
fallow bison
What's 7T res again?
reef patrol
fair gull
i just sat through the worst git rebase ever
squashing around 48 commits into 1
and all involved way too many code changes
fallow bison
I can't, it's straight from the galaxy store
fallow bison
http://apps.samsung.com/theme/ProductDetail.as?appId=langton.AutumnLeaves.wallpaperpack
Opens in Galaxy Themes.
zenith sonnet
FF does some weird shit with HDR youtube videos
Wanted to show the wife some on her PC
And it rendered them in SDR, with a lot of colour information lost
Light blue was grey, orange a pale yellow
zenith mirage
ere lads where do AMD CPUs start getting decent for light laptop use
like working on it without getting annoyed how slow it is
talking i3ish level
ashen spindle
dont really keep up with mobile but I know there was some talks about surface laptops with amd iirc
zenith mirage
yeah dekstop is where my knowledge ends
ashen spindle
well the issue is I dont know if its a zen+ or zen2 part that will come out
since deals like that always take a while to come out
zenith sonnet
Surface should be Zen+
ashen spindle
I'd say just wait for sites like anandtech or so to make a review
it will probably be good, just cant say if it'll be better for your usecase
zenith sonnet
Not sure when Zen 2 mobile SKUs are coming
zenith mirage
i'm shopping around for my sister, who needs it for uni work and other general use stuff
and she's not really tech savvy, but it's my parents buying it so i'm trying to budget it
zenith sonnet
Well, as with all hardware purchases, do you start with a performance target or a budget?
zenith mirage
well being that she's not much into tech, i'm sure she doesn't care about specs and that, just if it works
ashen spindle
I mean, for uni work I'd keep with a surface or otherwise known product with intel, unless its like media design course where you actually care about more cores and such
ashen spindle
and while it is unlikely to cause issues, we just dont have any data on zen longterm or even medium term reliability in laptops
latent mural
surface stuff is zen+
zenith sonnet
Well, just Uni stuff?
8 GiB RAM, SSD, decent display and a good keyboard
Everything else doesn't really matter
latent mural
also, dont get a surface unless you need the graphics tablet
ashen spindle
I got an acer swift 3 like 2 years ago, worked well for what I needed, literally all I can comment on when it comes to laptops lol
latent mural
surfaces are very expensive compared to regular laptops with the same specs, you should not get a surface for uni
zenith sonnet
They do however offer some of the best quality laptops
latent mural
uni and general stuff does not need quality
zenith sonnet
If I wanted a laptop, I'd strongly consider one
latent mural
does not need fancy plastics and metals slightly better speakers than laptop horror, and a very good tiny screen
what else do they have, a webcam as good as the one on your phone
zenith sonnet
But as I said, 8 GiB RAM, an SSD, 15" formfactor with FHD display, and make sure the keyboard is all right
That's what I'd suggest looking for
zenith mirage
anecdotal, but they're real nice to use
ashen spindle
you are not looking at it as someone who'd use it for uni work lol
zenith mirage
to beat a dead horse, it just works
zenith sonnet
@ashen spindle She got other use cases for it?
zenith mirage
was that meant for me?
ashen spindle
probably?
zenith sonnet
Sorry, right
zenith mirage
zenith sonnet
You both have purple names...
ashen spindle
or do I know her without knowing it myself 👀
zenith mirage
if that's the case, the use case she's given me is "uni work and netflix"
so uhhh, not really
zenith sonnet
Well, Netflix is definitely more performance hungry then Office
zenith mirage
she doesn't do anything with graphics or programming or anything so doesn't have to be fancy
zenith sonnet
To have a decent Netflix experience, I'd suggest a 15" FHD VA panel, quad core APU with at least mid-tier graphics
Or a higher clocked 2C/4T model
latent mural
what you want is a 700 euro intel laptop
zenith sonnet
Also shouldn't overheat after 10 minutes
ashen spindle
yeah that 700 range sounds about right
or obviously older/second hand for lower prices depending on budget
pale sigil
Netflix is only performance hungry if running in 4K
Like fuck me
So much cpu and ram usage
zenith sonnet
A throttling dual core i3 will still struggle
pale sigil
Ye
latent mural
doesnt it use hardware decoding on new intels anyway?
zenith sonnet
So, high end i3 or low end i5, 8 GiB RAM, 15" FHD VA panel?
pale sigil
I5 bro
Don’t go i3
Trust me
Do not go I3
@zenith mirage I actually have something for you
zenith mirage
oh aye
zenith sonnet
VA might be difficult to find
Seems to be extremely unpopular for laptops
1600 IPS vs 7 VA models
For those checkpoints
pale sigil
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cK_LP8EW2YUAH0eQThe_F6k3NfAUTAKh7RC04ZQiubc/edit?usp=sharing
Bare in mind I didn’t factor in ips or va
zenith sonnet
The Thinkpad E595 looks good
pale sigil
Oh and prices could have changed @zenith mirage
zenith sonnet
Here's about 1600 models listed
https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/?cat=nb&xf=12_8192~2377_15.9~2379_15~3310_2019~9_1920x1080
Have fun messing around with that site
Just gotta know what you need, then you can go by what you want or don't want
I'd for starters cut anything below 400 or 500€
Cuz a lot of that is pure crap
zenith sonnet
You should start with filters for OS, weight and budget
That'll get you down to a browsable list
zenith mirage
I'll have a closer look tomorrow, I can feel myself falling asleep rn
Cheers for the tips 👌
zenith sonnet
Here's some filters applied to get it down to 200 units
Only issue is that models with colour choice are listed multiple times
pale sigil
finding laptops perfect for your needs is so boring
zenith sonnet
Personal favorite atm
https://www.lenovo.com/de/de/laptops/thinkpad/edge-series/E595/p/22TP2TEE595
safe patrol
you should find a laptop that is completely unsuitable, then grab a soldering iron, and a hacksaw :3
pale sigil
I swear to god
no matter what replacements i get for my M50xs earcup wise
they sound not as good
haughty condor
plain locust
double the screen, double the repair bill 😆
glad scroll
old marlin
interesting concept for sure
halcyon moss
you're gonna see more of that i think, with the new intel push
wheat plume
Windows confuses me, I have it on my laptop and it didnt use my headphones when I plugged them in
but yesterday I tried to see if it would use my USB speakers and it did
so today I plugged my headphones into the headphone jack again and it worked this time.....
so wtf happened????
ashen spindle
idk maybe it didnt have drivers so didnt switch to them directly, could be a lot of things
wheat plume
it still only thinks there is one audio output even though there is two (headphones and built in speakers)
halcyon moss
maybe output was set to hdmi
wheat plume
it wasnt
windows only sees one output at all times , well, there is only one when headphones arent plugged in
zenith sonnet
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-and-intel-core-i9-10980xe-cpu-3dmark-benchmark-leak/
Dubious source at best
ashen spindle
wccftech
zenith sonnet
But potentially plausible
reef patrol
Sounds like you have those godawful Realtek drivers installed, where it "intelligently" detects when you plug things in.
(spoiler : it suuuuuuuucks)
wheat plume
also have wave maxx app
and I hate it
makes the audio sound terrible
so I must turn it off EVERY SINGLE TIME I turn on the laptop
this shizz
ashen spindle
or just uninstall it??? 
wheat plume
i did
it installs with the drivers
and gets reinstalled when the drivers come back
yes
ashen spindle
guess the acer one I have isn't a shit version then since I dont really have anything on it I dont recognize aside form stuff for touchpad
wheat plume
I dislike windows
ashen spindle
but thats not really on windows thats on whatever shitty laptop oem you ahve
wheat plume
the search is terrible, it cant find text inside the name of a file,
you must type is the start of the file name
I want to find my wallpaper called MonikaBeach and I type beach and it cant find it
gg
pale sigil
Both are terrible.
wheat plume
I have Dell, that makes sense
That the audio would be fucked around with their own software
ashen spindle
it would find it if it's called Monika_Beach btw
pale sigil
My poor distro hasn't been touched in 2 months
wheat plume
what is it?
wheat plume
ahhh
pale sigil
cos of the anti cheat
wheat plume
my friend is having audio issues on that too
pale sigil
if it wasn't for the anti cheat id be playing that
wheat plume
on pure ubuntu
pale sigil
*using that
i need to just stop getting scared of changing distro
i got so used to apt-get
Debian based
wheat plume
you dont even need to use apt-get
apt just works too
xdddd
sudo pacman -S
same thing as sudo apt install
or on Solus sudo eopkg install
pale sigil
i know what i did leave me alone
wheat plume
I am telling you the types of commands on each distro to install stuff!
i still dont get why pacman uses -S to install
pale sigil
i gave an example
wheat plume
while -R to remove makes sense cause (R)emove
pale sigil
Which is fine, i just chickened out about learning new commands etc
pale sigil
Ye but arch is 10x more fussy than Debian
wheat plume
imo installing software is much easier cause you dont need to mess around adding PPA or downloading .deb packages from a website
pale sigil
oh for sure
wheat plume
you can get anything you need from searching in pamac once you also enable the AUR in preferences
although Pamac is glitchy on Plasma desktop cause pamac is GTK based , I had it hang on me a lot of times
but on gnome desktop it is flawless
pale sigil
I really hated all the plasma bugs
wheat plume
Plasma is such an advanced desktop
I love the things you can do with it
but I love the simple elegance of gnome
wheat plume
gnome is the most stable I have used so far other than pantheon
pale sigil
I love Linux for servers and will never back down saying its better than Windows
wheat plume
even Azure uses now its better :'))
pale sigil
but sometimes the desktop environment makes you wanna rip your hair out lol
wheat plume
Use only a tiling window manager and terminal apps xd
Go full meme
Arch Linux, i3-gaps, anime wallpaper
dooooo it!
crimson wigeon
sway for added coolpoints
sick creek
@pale sigil having used linux since the late 90s nothing has changed really
Good for servers, piss poor desktop support
Because linux devs cant agree on a single desktop env
If they could, we’d have real gaming support for linux. Not emulation of windows binaries
SteamOS was a good try but seems abandoned at this point. Nvidia, amd, etc dont want to spend the time to support a platform that relatively nobody is going to use
reef patrol
😄
plush summit
yeah
fair gull
@sick creek main problem isnt DE but most games being made for directx
rn we dont even emulate windows binaries anymore well not purely
its more that steam focuses on translating directx calls to opengl/vulkan
warped dove
That new Apple laptop, oh lordy that. And there I was thinking the new iphone internals look pretty damn well made, better worry about its will to live.
safe patrol
I only use XFCE when I am too lazy to setup OpenBox of Fluxbox
reef patrol
If you need an expensive, sleek laptop might as well grab a Razer at this point. They actually care about cooling, and their laptops come in other colours then black now as well.
reef patrol
Razer sctuslly has GPUs 😂
reef patrol
Last I checked the XPS didn't really look like a MacBook. Razer's do 🤔
old marlin
if you considered a macbook you probably don't care
?
the xps looks more like one
my boss has the current one
reef patrol
I disagree
old marlin
it isn't a carbon copy
but at mmacbooks look similar to it
while razer laptops are closer to the 2014-2016 macbooks
reef patrol
Razer is much more of a carbon copy. Similar silhouette, touchpad et cetera. Same opening mechanism and single Block alu where possible.
Basing this off of my recent hands on with the Razer with Macs on the side by chance. Every pic I can find of XPS models loolks much more different in comparison
old marlin
well, at least not a lenovo X1 lol
I should add, macbook air
the macbook pro is nonsensical in every way
unless you REAALLY need finalcut etc on the go
but then you lack the power to use it
reef patrol
The Air is what is nonsensical 😂
old marlin
well
reef patrol
It is so hilariously slow and underpowered even for basic schoolwork.
old marlin
it is a small and somewhat light laptop for on the go
that has the usual apple problems
and apparently now just kills itself
because apple forgot how to cooler
reef patrol
That too 
halcyon moss
looks at lenovo x1 extreme on desk
old marlin
lokos at lenovo x1 carbon on desk
with display with extreme amounts of whitespots
and a trackpad that sometimes decides to throw the cursor up
sometimes even gets it stuck there
halcyon moss
displays... arent lenovo's strong point..
although MUCH improved in the last few years
and sometimes even better that the other offerings
old marlin
tbh idk what lenovos strongpoint is
if they just put modern hardware in a t420s i'd be happy
halcyon moss
build quality, thermals (although doubtful on the x1 extreme..), support, keyboard
halcyon moss
my t440p was a champ
old marlin
the gpu was so harshly throttled that lenovo realized that the igpu in cpu was better
halcyon moss
screen was meh, clickpad was meh
old marlin
and completely turned off the rx 550 in it
halcyon moss
lol
old marlin
build quality isn't as good either nowadays
especially with lenovo support
which takes two weeks to ship a simple part wit hpremium support
halcyon moss
but.. who else?
old marlin
and then isn't able to send over the technician they said you'd ahve t ouse
so you have t oinstall it yourself
dell takes 2 days at max
with the same support promises
that is only one day off of what they promised
halcyon moss
Dell xps has bad quality assurance
Razer basically bakes itself to death..
halcyon moss
hmm thats not great
old marlin
also the dock of my X1 carbon has insane problems with 2 displays
sometimes one will jsut not turn on and I have to send the laptop t osleep and wake it back up
halcyon moss
computers just suck
old marlin
and the other one just turns off and on constantly
halcyon moss
barely hanging together
old marlin
never had that problem with another pc
or a dell dock
the older docks are just too chunky nowadaysaa
halcyon moss
my t440p dock was solid
halcyon moss
and i miss a spot where i just plunk it down on
halcyon moss
thunderbolt docks are comparatively super expensive
and big :o
some are the size of an intel NUC
and have a fan
halcyon moss
in a few years it's probably all fixed.. ah well..
reef patrol
laughs in casual gaming laptop
halcyon moss
oooh, new ubuntu is released
halcyon moss
I was considering getting a gaming laptop actually.. but most are so fugly
old marlin
true
razer ironically is tolerable imo
dell is as well
not too bad
nvm
they are just alienwares now
like wtf
the previous gen was ok
like that
not overly agressive and weird lines everwhere
and nice to service on top
just one screw
and you can access everything
glad scroll
I have a HP Omen with my education, but I've had a few issues with it, plus they only offer a 1 year warranty on that shit
On my Omen I got a harddisk drive sector error, corrupting data
halcyon moss
In EU it must be 2 years right?
fair gull
well yes and no
this has some gray areas like the second year being severly limited
in terms of what constitutes a warranty case
pale sigil
@fair gull no, second year is manufacture defect no matter what
There no limited
2 years min manufacture warrenty
Limited is outside the EU
If the item is faulty due to a defect no matter what defect within the 2 years you're covered
If you caused said defect you're not
wheat plume
it works but the output is horrible ;-; I must try to make it look better
fair gull
@pale sigil manufacturer defect is limited that they dont need to give warranty on cosmetical things
as in small bubbles in plastic that arent noticeable in normal use
reef patrol
EU warranty.
6 months of seller having to prove you caused issue.
18 months of you having to "prove" the defect was there from the start.
I enjoy my Lenovo Legion. Only regret is not getting the 144hz panel for desktop use, since my 1060 clearly won't pull that 
fair gull
ya
altho in germany u get 12/12 usually
but gl proving a cosmetic defect was there from the start
or any other defect
obv theres some defects that can only be there from the start
reef patrol
It's not usually anything. It's a law. Itsy always the same. Manufacturer or seller's warranties cannot be worse than what your lawful warranty states, only be "in addition"
old marlin
when they finally release the ü͏́ ̴͏͜r҉̕͘͢ ̵̨͏b̨̀ ̵́́e͠r̡͘͞҉ ̷̨̀ ̸̡́c̶̶͡ ̢h̶҉̛́ ̴̢̕a̴̕ ̷͜͞d̵̶͢ you finally have the right springs
pale sigil
"The Chad"
old marlin
ye
just heard about a 220g spring htough
which someone got from there
but out of stock
pale sigil
swear they have like 5 of each items in thats it
its pretty much one single guy
a reseller
zenith sonnet
Not about to mod my keyboard to see if I like it...
That's why I wanna try
Also, I hate my fucking computer
I should have just gotten an 3700X to get off this ride
._.
fickle ore
don't get the appeal for heavy switches
old marlin
reef patrol
pale sigil
And... this is why i use containers
zenith mirage
how do you set that up?
pale sigil
Containers?
zenith mirage
aye
reef patrol
Can't contain your social media 😂
