Is the lekker key caps different from normal?
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quiet crescent
fair gull
if u buy us layout thats the keycaps
quiet crescent
As in hard to switch out
fair gull
@quiet crescent ur pc decides what key prints which character
so if ur pc is set to nordic
ur keyboard can be whatever layout
quiet crescent
Heck I would switch to US, so I know where the keys are 😂
And rebind the some letters and symbols
Just wondering If the lekker key caps are different from normal keycaps?
fair gull
they are normal keycaps just different color and different font
quiet crescent
Ait got my answer
Normal as in the star :p
Star, plus, x, cross whatever we call it 😂
Was more like if I went with us and then it turned out to be a different design, would sucked if I wanted to get those Nordic letters later :p
fair gull
ya the cherry style stem is prob the most widespread
no use to order a us lekker if u buy nordic later
quiet crescent
Besides would made no sense getting us if I can't change the keys either :p
quiet crescent
Yh, the countdown will show
I just see a bigger shift
Been wondering if it feels better :p
quiet crescent
Key caps as in letters should be same size?
O. O
They are not? :o
That ik, but letters
Letters and numbers are no different shape
Haha I would made it different 👀 👀 👀
Lekker edition different 👀
Good name for lekker 2😂
fair gull
psure ud need to replace all caps
cause of it being hard finding custom colored dye sublemented pbt caps in the lekker color scheme
with the same surface texture
or to not learn touch type but an advanced mix of touch typing and the eagle search thing where you dont need to look either but also dont rest your fingers anywhere but know where keys are when u start typing
quiet crescent
Mean ik the keyboard inside and out, just for some reason I still look. But ik where the keys are
All these years of mmorpg have learned me that much 😛
fair gull
quiet crescent
So much playtime that it will make pro csgo players wonder if they really been playing that much 😅
2 and a half hour left, maybe maybe not I'll go with us
Was mainly for more options later on
Lekker will be hotswappable like wooting right?
I see
reef patrol
An example of a board with no easy complete set... yet
Nordic ISO on a mostly ANSI board.
reef patrol
Konto Kira. Uses a 96? Key compressed layout.
It's the weird hybrid between numpsd full size and TKL.
reef patrol
😂
timid chasm
I like that Kira keyboard. Not so much the keycaps but that layout seems super handy.
Their original keycaps on their Kickstarter and site, I mean
reef patrol
The keycaps are just borrowed from my Ducky Shine, because I wanted Nordic labels. I have another Kira with stock caps, @timid chasm
The ymdk96 doesn't have this case though.
@old marlin
Some people just want a nice looking, finished product with hotswap
old marlin
I mean it isn't bad
reef patrol
I do agree that it definitely isn't cheap 😄
ashen spindle
wheat plume
I need help....is no work
fair gull
no like in actual maths how do u get factorials of decimals
wheat plume
idk why it was showing with a decimal
fair gull
wolfram alpha can calculate decimal factorials so there must be a way
wheat plume
oh wow
fair gull
gl implementing that
quick kraken
what even is a gamma function?
wheat plume
^^^
fair gull
result = 1;
for (int i = 1; i <= entered_number; i++) {
result *= i;
}
if java has *= operator
@quick kraken gamma is the r(thing)
its not an r its a greek letter called gamma
quick kraken
yes, but how does it work?
wheat plume
for(int i = 1; i <= number; i++)
{
Fact += Fact * i;
}
``` I had this code
wheat plume
what is [0, 1]?
fair gull
an array
fair gull
na its just easier to check than an ||
less characters and same amount of compute time
and yes i love array soooo much
wheat plume
hmm, recursion.... it is almost as trippy as arrays
fair gull
not really
wheat plume
What other thing should I add to my calculator?
wheat plume
hmmm
fair gull
quick kraken
ooh, nice
they have the factorial function worked out including the gamma function
it's magic to me
wheat plume
the unixporn discord is toxic -.- only if you use Manjaro it seems
warped dove
Which is the gaming keyboard with the oled screen in the top right?
"Amazon unveils seven new Alexa-powered devices, including a smart ring and glasses"
[ There's currently a kickstarter for some smart glasses that used a WIRED connect to your phone, and they're thick and fugly, it's like a parody ]
thick elk
Well you use manjaro when you could be using linux from strach
warped dove
samsung foldy boy out
huawei foldy boy next month
meanwhile the new iphones are actually pretty good
and pixel 4 and xl specs are out but I'm not impressed
mobile consumer tech berserk right now
zenith mirage
They fold
And have multiple cameras
Yeah phones are lame
But they slow down all the time so you want a buy a new one
I'm sure thats not by design
Currently using my 2015 flagship, doing a lot better since replacing the battery
Although I am cheating, because I also use a budget Huawei when I'm out and about and that was from last year
Save the battery on it so it lasts longer
Can't replace it so I'm making it last hy abusing this old phone
warped dove
There are amazingly affordable good phones competing with flagships save a few gimmicks, that's what's really hot with phones right
zenith mirage
Yeah it's a bit whack but I can do it so why not you know
Had that newer phone for like a year at this point and the battery is same as when I got it
warped dove
But €1500 flagships are way funnier
I'm using an old phone, but I argue that digital cameras will be completely redundant in 2 years, apart from for cinema/TV level photography
There are already great movies being shot on iphones
So that's pretty neat
no way, 48MP stabilised sensors are just a small fraction of the cost of a phone
and they can be found for €400
I mean, on a 400 phone
zenith sonnet
Flagships are like almost 3000$ now
warped dove
That term flagships...
zenith sonnet
The new Xiaomi
ashen spindle
I prefer halo product for such a thing not flagship
flag ship can be a cheaper product
warped dove
I don't think people think of them as the prototypes like the folding phones - the expensive important phones are like $1000 from the big companies
zenith sonnet
To call attraction to the brand
warped dove
yes flagship is for show
but it wasn't used for that purpose for a while, it was just the premium product for a long time
/ hilarious phones like this xiaomi with screens on both sides are clearly flags but not relevant / it's only recently that joke phones are feasible since these companies are so rich to afford such R&D
Ye they're tech demos .. but on the other hand they actually work
so if you have the money - it's a genuine option
Which is kinda awesome
ashen spindle
Rumor : AMD Zen 3 Architecture to Support up to 4 Threads Per Core 
crimson wigeon
warped dove
Yeah I don't understand, need to watch a bideo
ashen spindle
would be a first on x86
warped dove
I think I heard of a 3 thread 1 core processor a while ago
ashen spindle
well there are one core 8 thread ibm chips
crimson wigeon
Zen3 TR 256 threads WTF
ashen spindle
but afaik nothing on x86
warped dove
right...
Well we're moving to an age of a lot more processing to be done and a lot more viable uses of parallelism
so pumping cores and threads will keep paying off
ashen spindle
wonder if we at some point get a cpu with one core dedicated to single threaded performance, maybe two and the rest as flexible cores with more threads
warped dove
Everyone's commited to av1 video codec but it needs a lot more multithread and optimisation but then it'll half to size of web video amongst other benefits
That's pretty close to what snapdragon chips do tbh quin, a mixture of different use cores
ashen spindle
interesting
warped dove
and who knows about the apple processor but it has like 50 dedicated accelerators
ashen spindle
sure but thats more of a mix that a "pure" cpu
warped dove
well traditionally cpu included the main memory so it's already a pretty blurred term
ashen spindle
then again with now having 2 dies minimum on zen2 chips, maybe we are now moving towards different chips in a cpu
warped dove
the current zen proccesors have a dedicated io chip aswell as the 2 logic dies
zenith sonnet
The only other implementation of 4way SMT in x86 so far was intel's Phi coprocessor
Then there's IBM's Power8 or whatever they call it
ashen spindle
ye
zenith sonnet
But if the rumour turns out true, it might be the first relevant implementation of it
Doubt we'll see it outside of Epic any time soon, though
ashen spindle
oh yeah definitely
but if it works well and is easy to optimize for
boy will they grab server market share
zenith sonnet
Although, if it works similar to Power8, then we might
Power8 has the ability to change SMT mode on the fly
It can reserve core resources for single threads, or share them between up to 8
ashen spindle
exciting stuff either way if its true
warped dove
I love the fact that the internet is raving about how ugly the pixel 4 is... fucking fashion buyers lol, where's the iphone notch hate when it's needed?
ashen spindle
I know
I have a 6s and it is still working but idk how much longer but I dont want a notch on a new one
warped dove
I think you're right about more threads being for server workloads. It sounds like virtualisation will be the big beneficiary
But man, I'm fairly sure that chip designers are literally the smartest people in the world, I might just stop paying attention especially as it's only gonna get more complicated.
ashen spindle
I'm pretty sure on some stuff they actually take like LSD in a controlled environment to come up with some of the shit
warped dove
They actually do, to make them more alert over extended, regularly/reliably, periods of time and force their mind into divergent thinking mode
ok found the oled screen keyboard, steelseries, that's funny they have the oled mouse too
zenith mirage
Yeah a lot silicon valley types have taken acid
If the rumours are to believed anyway
wheat plume
wtf
I installed gnome 3.34 and now search is invisible, everything is working but I cant see anything 🤔
timid chasm
@reef patrol I meant I liked your white keycaps. Not a fan of the Kiras default keycaps. Either way that's a slick kb layout.
reef patrol
😄
pale sigil
Gnome in a nutshell
limpid panther
crimson wigeon
😉
golden girder
@fickle ore Please let us switch to this channel, because it's not related to support.
fickle ore
true true
golden girder
A few year ago I must speed up a communication on a MCU too, so I needed to synchronise it. It was a mess to get it fast as possible and synchronised. Took me some time and a lot of testing to archive it. I had a lot of trouble with it. That's why this isn't normally done as far as I know.
If you move the mouse very fast the rate of data is as fast as possible on a gaming mouse, but on lower movements it's slower. I read it somethere and was even able to see it by looking at the RAW data over USB.
I used Wireshark to look at the data of my mouse.
I use a Logitech G903 with the old sensor.
fickle ore
yeah that's the mouse sensor (camera) frame rate. That rate was static in the past but nowadays its variable due to being more accurate that way, as you said...Because somehow at low speeds having high fps (12k fps) it induces random acceleration for some reasons... quantization? So they made it variable, and the framerate rises linearly with the speed you move
There are negatives in that with low speeds such a variable framerate is very low.. Like if you move at 0.2m/s, the framerate could be at only 1khz or less? I'm unsure on the values, but it starts to feel noticeably laggier than a mice with more static framerate
3360 sensor has like 4 modes for variable framerate, they are like 3k/6k/9k/12k for 0-1m/s and so on, the exact values are incorrect but cba to look them up, but you get the gist
for that reason I prefer 3360 vs the new logitech hero sensor that has variable linear framerate with no "gears"
golden girder
The problem is on lower speeds the difference between two scans are that small that the error for the values are much higher conpared to the difference. So they use a much more lower rate so the error isn't that big.
fickle ore
would that be alleviated with higher scanning rate of the mcu?
Zaunkoening does internal MCU scanrate of 8khz
and 1khz polling rate
the carbon mouse
golden girder
No only a much higher resolution can avoid this, but I guess most sensors are at the limit rigth now for 1 kHz.
fickle ore
you mean the photodiode array size?
golden girder
The function is like a camera as far as I know, they take pictures and compare the current one with the last one.
golden girder
So if the resolution is to small the difference for two pictures with a tiny difference would be very small.
Like if the sensor is really only 32² a error of just one pixel would have a big effect.
And if you accumulate this for one second for 1 kHz, this will lead into a big error because then the error is multiplyed by 1000.
fickle ore
iirc the sensor can see subpixels
golden girder
Yes, but here is still a limit.
fickle ore
yeah I can see the problem with 1khz scanning but I dont understand why at 8khz internal mcu scanning would not alleviate the problem?
golden girder
It would be even worse with 8 kHz, because then the error would accumulate over 8000 samples for one second.
fickle ore
because the movement is so slow nothing changes?
golden girder
Imagine a slow movent, then the difference for two pictures would be maybe smaller than a pixel, but imagine a standard error of one pixel. Than the error is higher than the difference.
golden girder
And if you scan it at 8 kHz, the MCU takes 8000 pictures over a second, than the error is accumulated, like maybe multiplied by 8000 in a very bad situation.
fickle ore
hmm I don't think it changes the amount of pictures taken, the sensor framerate dictates that. I would think it's just the speed at which the images are delivered to the mcu for processing to digital input
golden girder
If you are lucky the errors are nullified, but thats normally not the case, because the error is dependent on the sleed you are moving the mouse.
We don't had specifyed the values here.
So it depends on the contect for what they stand for.
The 8 kHz was just a theoretical value from you I guess.
I forgot how fast the current sensors are in a modern mouse.
fickle ore
Most sensors are up to 12000fps and some at 16000fps.. But in commercial mice the mcu usually scans at 1khz, and polling is the usual 1khz
this one kickstarter mouse (zaunkoening) has the usual 12k fps sensor, but has internal mcu scan rate of 8khz, and polling rate of 1khz
golden girder
It can be that the scan rate is much higher than the polling rate.
fickle ore
Yeah its good
I wonder when will microsoft allow for overclocking usb natively to 8khz?
golden girder
Never, this don't make sence. It's already possible for a fast speed USB device to have a rate faster than 1 kHz, but not for an interrupt transfer.
So by using an isochronous connection instead of an interrrupt one, the rate can be higher, but then the period isn't constant anymore.
And because input devices are handled typically with an interrupt transfer you need to write a custom driver for it.
I don't really see an advantage for an user input faster than the 1 kHz polling rate.
The whole delay of a monitor is much higher.
Even if the rate of your monitor is at 240 Hz it has a typically constant delay of two frames.
Means that the delay is 8 ms for that.
For 60 Hz it would be 33 ms.
pale sigil
reef patrol
plush summit
timid chasm
A friend asks for a build under 1k USD that can do rendering as well as stream and when I mention a 3600 I get "why amd thooooo" 😫 🔫
zenith sonnet
Because it's the only way he'll get that for under 1k
@@golden girder Monitor delay can vary A LOT, the best we can do rn seems to be about 1.5 frames + 3ms actual signal to photon delay
So while shaving a few ms of the button to photon delay helps, going beyond 1000 Hz doesn't really do much any more
The whole issue is button to signal delay, and that can still be improved
golden girder
Did you have intern informations about this? Do you work in that area?
zenith sonnet
What do you mean?
golden girder
Did you work for a screen manufactor or something like that?
1.5 frame seems a little less to me.
I know there are multiple buffers, like double or triple buffering (for Vsync). Meaning that I expect at least one frame and up to nearly two frames on a double buffer and two up to nearly three on an triple buffer.
golden girder
But yes, in the average it would be 1.5 for a double buffer and 2.5 for a triple one.
zenith sonnet
1.5 frames is sort of a best case scenario: VRR on, vsync off, Radeon Anti-Lag or Nvidia ultra low latency mode enabled or a scenario without GPU bottleneck and running the application in exclusive fullscreen
With Vsync on, no VRR, (borderless) window mode, and potentially FPS smoothing techniques such as pre-processed frames, you can easily hit 4-6 frames of latency
golden girder
Like I wrote, GPUs use a double buffer so because of this the delay is around 1.5 frame behind in the average at least.
zenith sonnet
Except in exclusive fullscreen with VRR
There should be no buffer at all
Image is sent to the display as soon as it finished rendering and is displayed immediately
It still takes at least one frame and some to calculate and render each frame, so that's your minimum possible latency
Plus, the outside factors: input latency by your keyboard/mouse, and the time it takes your display to display the image
golden girder
So it's impossible to have a delay less than 1 frame.
Even there I bet there is a buffer, otherwise the picture would look terrible.
Because you would never see a complete picture.
zenith sonnet
Technically, yes
But if you render a frame in 1ms, and display them at 60Hz, you can display a frame in under 16ms
golden girder
If there is just one buffer the screen would just display the current picture where the GPU is working on.
It doesn't matter how fast it is, you need at least a double buffer.
zenith sonnet
That's what VRR exists to avoid
You have one image the GPU is working on, and one that is immediately delivered to the display, no buffer inbetween
golden girder
But the GPU don't wait until the screen receives it!
The GPU will instead start immediately beginn with the next one.
Because of that you have tearing. Because the buffer for the display is updated during the sending to the display. So one part of the picture is from the previous frame and one for the newest one.
golden girder
A delay because of a bad CPU schedule is a whole different story.
golden girder
I assume that the synchronisation with FreeSync or G-Sync aren't influencing the buffer, but instead just synchronise the commands between GPU and display.
Yes, but a bad schedule even if it's only effect the driver and not just the game is a different story.
old marlin
it adds extra delay
ashen spindle
Wasn’t that NVIDIA +intel HT only in the nanosecond Range anyway ?
old marlin
so much that some tasks that would be faster on a gpu might be faster on the cpu
I know a guy that made csgo HVH hacks
golden girder
The main thing from me was that 1 kHz polling rate with the same scaning rate is enough and there isn't a need to have it faster. Instead the screens should be optimized for faster refresh rates.
old marlin
where stuff like that matters
well
lowering input delay is definetley more important than polling rate
as long as your refresch rate doesna't come too close
which currently isn't the case
even on a mouse with constant input variances 500hz and 1000hz mostly are different in smoothness
golden girder
The polling rate on a mouse isn't constant, at least for a fast gaming mouse.
zenith sonnet
The new LG panel is pretty darn good in that regard
144Hz IPS with just under 3ms signal to image latency in their own monitor
golden girder
There are 240 Hz displays available and 300 Hz are comming...
And I don't get why people insist in a 1 kHz scan & polling rate but play on a 60 Hz display or even 120 Hz.
zenith sonnet
Most of which are actually slower
golden girder
Yes, a lot of keyboard manufactor advertise a polling rate of 1 kHz but have a much slower scan rate.
To bad that people love that kind of non-sense...
zenith sonnet
I meant the displays
The 144Hz LG is faster than most 240Hz displays on the market
golden girder
With a 240 Hz screen the rate would be around 4,2 ms, so the grey to grey value must be much faster to archive good quality.
It's a bit more complex I think. You can overclock nearly every monitor, the only problem is that the picture will just look bad as hell.
Even if there is enough bandwidth.
zenith sonnet
Price went down like 300€
Now it looks a bit better, lol
https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/asrock-x570-aqua-90-mxbaz0-a0uayz-a2128461.html
fair gull
what wooting do you have
dusk adder
two
fair gull
thats probably why
dusk adder
and thanks for that answer
fair gull
you probably need to change the dll sdk/api dlls for some that support the wooting two
most of those projects from coding challenges are written with the old sdk/api which only supports the one
fickle ore
@golden girder https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/57cj2b/vrworks_frontbuffer_rendering_is_the_holy_grail/
gpu does not have to use double buffering (front/back buffer swapping)
fickle ore
From highest input lag to lowest:
FSE + Double Buffered framecapped V-Sync with three frame swap chain
FSE + Double Buffered framecapped V-Sync Borderless (desktop-level triple buffered uncapped v-sync) (can have timing jitter)
FSE + NVIDIA FastSync (driver-level triple-buffered uncapped vsync) (can have timing jitter)
FSE + no V-Sync (tearing)
FSE + frontbuffer rendering (no tearing, no jitter, might have drifts)
FSE + frontbuffer rendering + dedicated input polling thread (no tearing, no jitter, might have drifts)
FSE + frontbuffer rendering + timewarp (no tearing, no jitter, no drifts)
FSE + frontbuffer rendering + timewarp + dedicated input polling thread (no tearing, no jitter, no drifts)
fickle ore
1.5 frames is indeed the best possible scenario, but very much out of reach atm @zenith sonnet
for that you would need: Fullscreen Exlusive + Front buffer rendering + hard sync (pre-rendered frames 0), dedicated input thread in-game at 1khz, input devices at 1khz etc
tbh I'm not sure if pre-rendered frames is a thing with front buffer rendering
fickle ore
yeah
zenith sonnet
Have you seen any button-to-photon delay testing for any VR headsets yet?
zenith sonnet
Should be just as simple as with monitors
Solder an LED to the button and press it
Record with high framerate camera
Decided to check in here again, found a recent new video on this
Time to watch
zenith sonnet
Wish he included VRR in that test as well
Anyway, nothing new
He basically just confirmed with numbers what we already knew
When you hit a GPU bottleneck, the CPU basically runs ahead, and starts stalling when it gets too far ahead
fickle ore
yes
anyway all gpus atm do have double buffered rendering (no front buffer rendering)
so lag is higher
zenith sonnet
What he did was remove either hardware bottleneck, so CPU and GPU both are given fresh data to work on, and they complete this work before the next frame is prepared
fickle ore
and for every game out there, input is processed per frame, so if you play at 60fps, your input is also delayed by 16ms..
Yeah
But he should have tested at lowest settings at 1080p, 100% render scale not 200%
zenith sonnet
That would only cut whatever few ms the hardware would need less per frame
I assume he wanted to change as few settings as possible to measure the impact of the individual setting
Even when it's not used in an ideal scenario?
fickle ore
optimal scenario is the only one worth testing for imo
zenith sonnet
A CPU bottleneck should have very little impact on latency, though
fickle ore
I'm running Overwatch at 200fps, I get 5ms delay from stupid framerate-dependant input system, on top of the 1-2 frame delay from rendering pipeline
so I'm at 15ms + traces + usb + input device, which lines very well with test in the past of battlenonsense
minimal motion-to-photon delay has been like 16~20~ms
zenith sonnet
So, the ideal scenario still remains:
VRR on
Framerate limiter(RTSS) set to VRR range max -3
Settings adjusted so you're not bottlenecked by the GPU (ideally you'd maintain that max -3 stable, but that's rarely possible)
fickle ore
VRR?
zenith sonnet
variable refresh rate, Freesync/G-sync
fickle ore
thats not ideal for latency
cause you can go 300fps at lowest settings with gpu not being capped, but can you with VRR? I doubt
3rd party framerate limiter adds a frame of delay I thought? So must always use ingame limiter
zenith sonnet
If the ingame limiter is good
Both cases are good
But let's be honest, outside of a very few competitive games, you're not gonna maintain framerates of 200+
fickle ore
ideal case is gpu-utilization at 70-80% and making sure it never goes beyond that in any map.. Maximum fps possible given that constraint, so lowest settings possible..
not much else u can do atm
zenith sonnet
Whether you cap FPS at 141 or 300, you'd have to use a limiter for minimum latency
zenith sonnet
Going uncapped increases latency again
zenith sonnet
In that case, you're at worst increasing latency by the time the GPU is still processing the previous frame when the CPU is ready
fickle ore
CPU is always at present time, it prepares the frame so it cannot get out of sync with itself, so, in essence CPU is the present
Only GPU can be out of sync with the present
zenith sonnet
Yeah
If the GPU has resources to spare, it doesn't do much difference
I'd like to see more testing, though
zenith sonnet
Something funky will probably happen
fickle ore
actually I had this funny thought
so by going lowest settings possible, reducing the gpu work and having uncapped fps would always mean being gpu-capped?
atlaest that is the case for me in OW
cpu utilization of 100% would increase input lag for sure
zenith sonnet
Anyway, with VRR on your display waits on your GPU to present a frame
With VRR off, your GPU waits on your display to be able to receive a frame
So, with a 144 Hz display, VRR on, cap at 141 FPS (ingame - 0 frame, RTSS - 1 frame)
You'll get a 7.09ms frametime without presentation delay
With a 144 Hz display, VRR off, cap at 300 FPS
You get a 6.94 ms frametime, but a presentation delay of 0-3.3ms, depending on how long ago the GPU finished the frame
zenith sonnet
So, if you're neither bottlenecked by CPU nor GPU, VRR achieves slightly better latency, although minuscule, but also more stable latency
fickle ore
what incurs the presentation delay?
zenith sonnet
Well, the GPU might process frame 1 and finish 2.5ms before the display, set to a fixed refresh rate of 144, is able to display the next frame
So, once the display is ready to display a frame, it will receive frame 1 from the buffer, because the GPU, working on frame 2, is not allowed to refresh the buffer until 3.3ms (300 FPS) have passed
With VRR your frame will always be displayed with the lowest delay possible
Also, one thing:
Reality rarely aligns with facing a static wall in Overwatch and setting your FPS cap to 300
How many other games can do that? Lol, CS, what else?
fair gull
many games
zenith sonnet
Using Apex as an example, on lowest settings I would still dip below 80 FPS on a 5820K@4GHz. A 9900K might help, but still not be able to perfectly maintain a cap of 141 FPS
BL2, i'd get dips even below 60 FPS
And VRR helps tremendously in those cases.
fair gull
minecraft can reach thousands of fps
zenith sonnet
Never played Bedrock, but Java can't, lol
fair gull
it can
zenith sonnet
Under what conditions? 2 chucks view range?
fair gull
they even showed it a few years ago on gamestar i think
lowest settings, void creative
no blocks or mobs to render or calc
zenith sonnet
Lol, even better
fair gull
its pmuch like starring at a wall
fair gull
will actually see how much i can get
zenith sonnet
Nor a game
fair gull
with BDO running in the background
fair gull
og doom
old marlin
rocket league
ashen spindle
low settings tf2 also goes surprisingly high
zenith sonnet
Lel
fickle ore
back, do you have the source for that VRR?
zenith sonnet
Not on hand
fickle ore
from what I can find, VRR can speed up the frame-delivery time compared to other syncing methods, but is at the same speed as non VRR (vsynch off) so the frame delivery speed of a 144 hz VRR would be at 300 fps, same as the game running at 300 fps on VRR off
wheat plume
Ballistic Overkill can reach 1000FPS for me during the loading screen
timid chasm
not uncommon to see thousands of fps in loading screens
pale sigil
It’s more common than common which in itself is common
ashen spindle
damn samsung stopping to make B dies, now we get micron e dies doing 5 ghz
on just xmp
reef patrol
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore Interesting info in that link
zenith sonnet
Youtube needs a 'Copy scrrenshot of current time' feature, lol
Even beats a TN type panel in pixel response time
Urgh, I'm torn
Buy it because currently it's the best
Or wait for a superior monitor featuring the same panel?
zenith sonnet
WQHD 240Hz? When?
Anything announced yet?
Although I'm more interesting in moving toward UHD 144Hz, with HDR1000 or something than to WQHD 240Hz
ashen spindle
Get what sounds like a good upgrade for you or I‘ll see you think about maybe getting one in here for another year or longer lmao
zenith sonnet
If there's a date on it, I could wait
If it's some unannounced future tech, then it's on the list for upgrade times
Several UHD 144Hz panels are already announced
But it doubtful we'll see one in a display for under 2000€
Maybe in 2H 2020
fickle ore
can you get 240hz 4k?
you can integer scale 4k to 1080p easily if you need framerates, or play 4k at lower hz, and enjoy the improved frame delivery time of 240hz even at 144hz or 120hz, or whatever, the frames are delivered to the monitor at 1/240... Just make sure it uses HDMI 2,1 or better and quick frame transport (QFT), and that the graphics card supports those specs, so you're not reliant on VRR
wheat plume
the Uk want to make all internet traffic unecrypted
-.-
so that they can see whats happening
wheat plume
they think itll make illegal images better to spread
ashen spindle
do they know that means https would need to be disabled? aka disabling basically any site?
zenith mirage
With any luck Scotland can leave and ditch these laws
ashen spindle
not really much on firefox to do anyhting there
wheat plume
Ahh
I can't wait for the day that online banking will be the equivalent of doing your banking to a voice assistant needing to day everything you need to login while being in a room of hackers waiting your money
Wanting*
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore 240Hz UHD is 'future tech'. We know it'll come, and it'll be great, but we don't know when. Does DP 2.0 support it without compression yet? I don't remember exactly
fickle ore
HDMI 2.1 can do 4k 240hz with DSC, so can DP 2.0, which is already released.. Just waiting to come to new monitors I guess
mental basin
@zenith sonnet
have you seen omen x 25
created specifically for overwatch league
240hz monitor with an INSANELY low response time lol
fickle ore
why not?
you can use 4k 120hz on your 240hz panel, and reap the benefit of faster frame delivery to your display.. The 120hz signal gets delivered in 1/240 due to native 240hz panel
timid chasm
and 4k 120 wont be useful to me for a long tme
I only game and nothing would run at 4k 120
^
If you want decent graphics most don't run at 1440p@144 lol
its only useful for esports
hell, 1080p@144 is a pain for some titles and some gpus unless you want ultra low
fickle ore
I usually run medium or medium low
4k is more valuable to me than running on ultra quality, looks more high fidelity
timid chasm
which will net you 60fps most of the time with modern titles
unless you have a 2080 Ti I guess
wheat plume
is this the update that break everything? :/
wait a second
they all do at this point -.-
fickle ore
60 fps is fine @timid chasm, and that would benefit the most from 1/240 framedelivery =]
timid chasm
but that means there's no point of 240 hz
1903 has been out for a while though right?
If that's what offered the PC game pass then I think a lot has been fixed since it first went into beta or w/e
wheat plume
someone once bragged to me h ow they could beat my ass in any game while playing it at 15FPS
because "anything above 15FPS is not any more smooth than 15fps"
timid chasm
that sounds like a troll 100%
wheat plume
yeh for sure
fickle ore
What do you mean no point?
fickle ore
for the frame delivery speed?
and integer scale 1080p lossless if u wanna see actual 240hz for the occasional csgo round
otherwise 60-120 variable refresh rate for the RPG's and the like
zenith sonnet
I hope to get a new CPU soon...
99% of the time it limits my performance
Unless I use ridiculous graphics settings
fair gull
8k vr with RTX
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore Most displays actually have higher latency at 60Hz than at native resolution
fickle ore
some do, not all
zenith sonnet
Weirdly, so you'd want to specifically look for one that doesn't
Although I see no reason to use fixed 60Hz when VRR exists
And is faster
fickle ore
Abnormally high latency of lower refresh rates than higher refresh rates.
Cause: Display buffering to scan-convert a slow-scanning 60Hz signal to a fast-scanning 240Hz panel.
Yeah VRR is nice for 60-120 range
zenith sonnet
The LG supports <20 to 144Hz
Would be a huge upgrade over my Foris
There's so much new display tech releasing these months
After like 3 years of nothing new
I suppose I'll go for the LG or another display with the same, wait out a year or so, and see if they still have new things to anmounce and where we are
feral jolt
I want to meet Joe Led
warped dove
OLED panels with perfect darks would be beautiful for games, especially space and spookys
but JOLED... well they're Japanese
and OLED is exponentially expensive when larger, like processor wafers
I know JOLED claim their objective is most cost effective panel
They've had so much financial investment and with the Japan premium I expect them to be years away from being justifiably priced for any middle class consumer... maybe 21 inch for a few hundred euros in 2021 if we're lucky
Anyways... oled laptops first
I dunno but probably
It's not easy to create a vanity/fashionable brand anymore
because we live in a world of investors and stakeholders
So names are boring unless they're designed to be attention grabbing
historically big japanese brands name after the region they were birthed in
ashen spindle
and japan oled sounds better than tokyo oled lmao
glad scroll
While on the subject of OLED, on the oculus they were discussing the possiblity of having lower latency with oculus link on the quest, than on the rift s. Because the quest has an OLED display, and rift s has LCD.
Oculus Link: Connecting your oculus quest to a pc over type-c, enabling it to play rift games on it.
fair gull
rgb is purely light show
reef patrol
How dare you - I want to change my LED colours at will without spending a fortune on new single LED stuff 😄
ashen spindle
I mean gigabyte and co already did that with fan control before rgb was a thing because it was easier than making a secure way to control your fans
fair gull
well who says other manufacturers dont do similar things
ashen spindle
?
I said gigabyte and co becaue this case is about gb and I dont know if every other aib is at fault or just most
fair gull
i mean in rgb
and not to invalidate your statement
just as a u know
smth to think about
ashen spindle
oh yeye
fair gull
especially those "everything needs to be RGB" guys
fair gull
guys i think java might be in decline even thought many people install it for minecraft
still just 3billion devices on their ad banner in the installer
fair gull
for what
which one
isnt that foss
the fact they have a repo
and u can fetch any commit
and build it
cause usually gentoo is build from source
so they dont store versions
you just pull a different commit
and build it
done
wha
literally a git repo
you also literally just pull from a really old commit of this which is around the time u want
build it and done
gentoo in old
yes
why
pale sigil
nvm
pale sigil
Lol
No
I just realised this was just down to me changing the UI last week
to show previews
fair gull
thats the default now tho
fair gull
i didnt change shit and also have previews
pale sigil
Meh I was on 82% when I woke up at 10:40 and now I'm at 41% (3:26), 41% in thst time feels a bit bad
Mostly music
wheat plume
I dont like that the blur is gone in the notification shade when in dark theme ;-;
but also a lot of battery usage from android system 😮
wheat plume
ooohh
pale sigil
Still seems rough
zenith mirage
glad scroll
What an awesome repo 
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol X570 Aqua? 🤔
reef patrol
No thanks. But thanks for offering
old marlin
on phone?
I have like 10gb per month
was the smallest I could get
meanwhile the telekom offered me 300mb for more
old marlin
I used only 1.7gb or something
pale sigil
My fingerprint is doing my head in
I was gonna wait for updates to see if it was a software issue but it isn't
Sometimes it takes so long to scan my finger
crimson wigeon
Ha!
wheat plume
Is it the in display scanner?
old marlin
try removing and adding it again if you haven't
wheat plume
Scan the same finger a few times
fallow bison
Try removing the display and readding that might help
old marlin
hek
for non german speakers, the european court has decided that you soon ahve to accept every setting and reading of a cookie seperately
which will make browsing the internet hell
crimson wigeon
Yay
fallow bison
Pft there will be extensions to auto dismiss it
zenith sonnet
Now they desperately need to do this for ads.
'Do you agree to be shown ads by this website?'
old marlin
Tbh
That seems terrible
Since it stops working as soon as your hands leave the viewing angle
And you grip into thin air
pale sigil
Not much tbh
Tracking is pretty decent
But the point here
Is its possible and very usable
You'd still use controllers though really for a lot of games like best saber
old marlin
Anything where you grip an object will be more immersive with the knuckles controllers
pale sigil
Ye
old marlin
Tbh it'd be pog if they could stiffen them on closing
Dunno how to solve that well though
pale sigil
Which is dope
old marlin
An improvement at least
old marlin
Now they just need some high end HMU to rival the index
pale sigil
Ye I saw this but they are way to big etc
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol Yeah, it's probably not a good buy
But damn is it tempting, lol
halcyon moss
tracking on WMR headsets is more than acceptable, but i would not call it excellent.
zenith sonnet
What the hell is Windows Core? Some sorta package manager?`
Also, Windows scheduler is supposed to finally get a real update in the Fall Update
reef patrol
My main issue with boards like it, is that if the board fails, you're stuck with an expensive fullblock. @zenith sonnet
zenith sonnet
Do high end motherboards still have significant failure rates, though?
reef patrol
Hard to say. Our last fullblock motherboard lasted six months.
fair gull
@zenith sonnet windows is, iirc, just a way for windows to have an os for all formfactors
tablets, smartphones, smartwatches
etc
also basically tries to remove win32
and use more UWP
which is dumb imo
basically the future is: Windows Core OS (in all variations) or Windows 10 Pro
cause as far as i know Windows 10 S and Home get replaced with Core OS
@zenith sonnet any source for the task scheduler thing?
zenith sonnet
old marlin
@fair gull fully restricitng movement may not be needed
just stiffening them would probably be good enough rn
fair gull
i like that it restricts it completely
since that simulates reallife pretty well
u cant just crush a steel pipe with ur bare hands
so restricting it so it doesnt go further is part of the immersion imo
@zenith sonnet no mention of the task scheduler tho
oh wait u mean the thread scheduler
old marlin
ye ik
but if just stiffening would be lighter and more accessible it ='d be far better imo
restricting is much better obv
zenith sonnet
Let's just hope the thread scheduler gets a little better without breaking too many things
broken badger
broken badger
Not from Arnhem ... 😦
zenith sonnet
Says 150$ though
And it's not new
It just says they bring it to mainstream
Which maybe is true
old marlin
tbh
pale sigil
oops thats the bpro
old marlin
I liek that they popularize it
broken badger
I hate patents normally.... but now I'd wanted for Wooting to have one on this. (assuming they were the first)
old marlin
and it is probably one of the best ways that a generic user can get into keyboards
zenith sonnet
Looks to similar to the Wooting to not draw attention to it
halcyon moss
For a ryzen 3700x is this a good choice (a board with wifi)?
MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC
reef patrol
Sure. As long as you don't need those PCI 4.0 NVME disks. And does the board have USB flashback?
Needs that to boot up a 3700X without an older CPU for BIOS updates first.
halcyon moss
need to check that still, but i tihnk it does.
Flash BIOS Button: Simply use a USB key to flash any BIOS within seconds, without installing a CPU, memory or graphics card.
so thats a yes.. 🙂
thinking of getting this
feral jolt
I think if you are going Msi you want the "max" motherboard with the larger bios
halcyon moss
why? i've not been in the component game for 5 years.. since i bought my last system.
feral jolt
They struggle to fit the zen 2 bios into those motherboards so have to cut some stuff out
And pretty much everything in a bios is essential
halcyon moss
is that overclocking stuff? im not super interested in that.
nor am i in rgb things. Closed case. Little noise i am interested in though
feral jolt
Has more to do with general system stability than overclocking
halcyon moss
its super silent though
ashen spindle
you can take another, set it to lower rpm and its the same
cooling/vrm from that model isn't as great as others
halcyon moss
Any recommendations from this list?
https://www.megekko.nl/Computer/Componenten/Videokaarten/AMD-Videokaarten?f=f_429-164298_vrrd-3_s-prijs09_pp-50_p-1_d-list_cf-
ashen spindle
the pulse should be fine, need to check if the red dragon was good or if I'm mixing it up with the red devil (stupid naming if you make both as an aib)
halcyon moss
that one is more expense by a few euros :p
the red dragon has a delivery of 5 days though.
ashen spindle
enjoy the new fps
halcyon moss
took the pulse 🙂
zenith sonnet
@halcyon moss How much extra for 3600 C16 Ripjaws?
crude cipher
Better to go 2×8 @ 3600 than 2×16 @ 3200 unless you definitively need the extra ram
Re: hotswap, you could already get hotswap cherry keyboards from certain boutique manufacturers
quiet crescent
That's so sad... Not once were even Wooting mentioned in here, they talk about it like they invented it. What is this BS?!
old marlin
Wooting also didn't invent it
And simce there is no physical contact between switch and pcb it is easier to do on the wooting
also logitech allows all MX switches
since they probably use kailh hotswap sockets
so basically a higher profile gmmk tkl with removable cable
quiet crescent
Still think wooting should be honorably be mentioned in the article, as they mentioned other projects.
royal pebble
It's not comparable tech
They mentioned other mechanical boards with hotswap that came before it
halcyon moss
@zenith sonnet Already ordered it last night.
halcyon moss
Well if i install the AMD drivers the display goes black... gonna try a display port cable tonight.
glad scroll
warped dove
Currently 3 laptops with USB-C power delivery (no proprietary charger blocks)(which means you can buy your own third party mag-attach adapter that you also use on your phone if you're into that, or just use any high quality USB-C cable + a good wall plug) they're also WiFi 6
Welcome to the sexy future
Props to Lenovo, HP, and Razer for being goodlads
zenith sonnet
@halcyon moss It's normal for a display to go black when installing GPU drivers
reef patrol
Cheaper series of Lenovo perhaps. Their ThinkPads and legion are solid.
old marlin
I have a x1 carbon which has pretty much everything partially broken
plain locust
My work give me a T460 for work and I only wanted to snap it in half about 3 times a day 🙂
static edge
I love them, too.
Had a Surface Book but switched to a Thinkpad P43s a few weeks ago, and did not regret it at all.
Hopefully, it will be as durable as my old T420.
reef patrol
I bought a Legion instead of a Thinkpad only because it was on sale...and dat 1060 😄
sand carbon
i have a t60 still too, that thing kicked ass when i needed it
chrome estuary
i still use an x230t
fair gull
the t60 is like an old nokla 3310
safe patrol
it never gets too old? 🙂
old marlin
Old thinkpads are great
Imo up until the t420s
The t430 had the new keyboard
After that stuff started to get worse
Failing screens, powerbuttons and cooling fans
Worst one I have seen was one of those with a swivel display that just had the keyboard coming out of the frame, idk how
feral jolt
I sure am glad I've never really needed a laptop. The idea that all that stuff can brick you and be impossible to fix without professional skills sounds awful
old marlin
I actually completely broke a dell laptop
the bios factory reset completely destroyed the bios
and the bios recovery factory reset
completely destroyed the bios recovery
plain locust
I have a fancy smancy laptop with a MXM 980M which died on me while playing Witcher 3.
Asked the Interenet for help and actually got directions on what to do.
Manned up, bought hot air desoldering station and got to work replacing the MOSFET.
Worked fine afterwards.
Would have been nice had I not gotten another laptop though 😆
zenith sonnet
Uhhh
AMD Agesa 1004 incoming with 'over 100 fixes and new features'
Just before availability of CLX and the 3950X in November
Now I'm excited
reef patrol
Too bad first gen users won't get it on most boards 
halcyon moss
@zenith sonnet yes, but it should come back after a few flickers...
it did not. But i switched from the hdmi>dvi cable toa displayport cable. and it works now!
zenith sonnet
DP > HDMI anyway
halcyon moss
yes 🙂
zenith sonnet
@reef patrol Is it really backwards compatible all the way to Zen, if the manufacturers update the BIOS's?
Also, Eizo released a 4k OLED 21.6" display with 60Hz and 0.4ms reaction time
reef patrol
Depends on the fixed involved. If the BIOS chip is large enough to store first gen (only MAX boards do iirc) then it could affect them.
zenith sonnet
That's for MSI, right
Not every manufacturer went cheap on the BIOS chips, though :p
That OLED panel has such a weird size, I wonder if they used binned and cut down 8K 43" panels for it
zenith sonnet
Yeah
old marlin
panel; is apparently by joled
zenith sonnet
Only 500? That's few...
old marlin
could be 8k oled panels
zenith sonnet
Oh, so it's more like a closed beta? ;P
old marlin
that they cut in quarters
not especially bright either
the only good things about it is pixel density, oled and color reproduction
zenith sonnet
And reaction time
old marlin
oh ,right
zenith sonnet
But yeah
old marlin
reaction time with that refresh rate though
old marlin
and very much a gimmick
zenith sonnet
Not sure how much that reaction time helps, given the refresh rate
old marlin
like "this one has a golden sticker on the back" is a more noticeable gimmick
fickle ore
O.o
the 0.4ms is not a gimmick if it's close to its advertised value
Which Oled should be
zenith sonnet
Nobody said 0.4ms would be a gimmick
fickle ore
what then?
zenith sonnet
The Foris Nova display
zenith sonnet
Yes and no
There's a lot of new tech to grab
But it'd also be wise to wait a year and see if the dust settles
fickle ore
HDMI 2.1 missing on 95% panels releasing atm, and no 2.1 capable graphics cards exist atm
zenith sonnet
Why do I want HDMI 2.1?
fickle ore
the new LG oled TV's have 2.1 capability but no graphics cards have that yet so u cant even use it
zenith sonnet
What can it do that DP 2.0 can't?
fickle ore
DP 2.0 spec made this july, its not out yet
How much is that Joled Eizo 4k 21.6"?
Would be cool
zenith sonnet
If you wanna buy high-end, wait until Summer next year
Lots of new, unrefined (in consumer products) tech with excessive price tags
No public price
You're asked to contact Eizo directly for a quote
I wouldn't expect anything affordable, though
zenith sonnet
Although, I did order the 27GL850 a month ago
They're to arrive Monday
I'm wait out the time until I can get 4k, 120+ Hz, HDR1000 / HDR1400 with great reaction times
fickle ore
the eizo is 0.4ms black-white-black which if advertized is very nice, about 5ms quicker than fastest TN panels :
Input Terminals
HDMI x 2 (Deep Color, HDCP 2.2 / 1.4)
Could have released with HDM! 2.1 but didn't
Yeah same, biding my time
Maybe next year or after that
zenith sonnet
I haven't heard anything about the new AU Optronics panel or other monitors featuring the LG one yet
I'm still not a 100% sold
It's a very mediocre monitor that one thing better than anything else on the market, and the only one that does it 'good enough'
But contrast, build quality, features leave more to be desired
You got some response time measurements on the 'fastest TN panels'?
I'd like to compare some data
Got some
pale sigil
Xiaomi are sending me a "jiffy" bag to send my phone in, seems a bit risky for a phone to be in a very thin bag
zenith sonnet
It's gonna go to the grinder anyway
And you'll get a fresh one
The devices themselves are so cheap to make they're not worth repairing a lot of the time
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/hp/omen-x-25f
warped dove
Well... I like the Cooler Master MM710 much much more than the Glorious Model O (standard size)
sick creek
looking for opinions- for pc purely for gaming, is 16gb still a good amount? or should i just spend the extra and get 32
warped dove
Yes 16 is enough for gaming with many extra apps open, the only exception would be if you play max settings huge games they're still in alpha like Star Citizen, or hosting arma 3 while also playing. Even the biggest RTS easily fit in 10gb while running.
So try to get high quality ram at 16gb
sick creek
yeah i'm looking at corsair dominator
warped dove
2 sticks of 8 and you can get another 2 sticks of 8 if you need later
sick creek
i'm doing a ryzen build
3700x, x570, re-using my 1080ti, and then trying to decide on the ram
warped dove
That's pretty beefy
ashen spindle
get some crucial ballistix ram sticks
warped dove
So you can afford 2x8Gb 3600 Mhz at really good timings, corsair seems to always have ass timings and they obfuscate / practically lie about it
sick creek
i plan on OC'ing at some point, i'd rather get the dominator line
ashen spindle
they are micron, often e-die and 3000 sticks almost always can be pushed to 3800
ashen spindle
(the crucial ballistix are, not the corsair ones)
sick creek
ashen spindle
sick creek
but i dont want 3000
ashen spindle
yes but you can OC them to 3800, or at least 3600
sick creek
i dont want to HAVE to OC the memory if i can get some that starts above what i'd OC to
ashen spindle
you dont want mem clock above 3800 on ryzen 3000 chips
you'd ned 5000+ before you get the same performance as on 3800 again
sick creek
so i can bump the 4000 down to 3800 and they'll be more than fine
ashen spindle
sure, its just a waste of money
sick creek
i'm not on a budget
ashen spindle
I mean there is a difference between a budget and spending money on something that does 0 or even worse performance in this case lol
sick creek
if you can point to benchmarks that prove this, then i'll consider it
ashen spindle
ryzen IF clock is set to 1:1 mode to the mem clock of your ram
up until 1800/1900 depending on the chip you got
after that if goes into 2:1
so you get half the IF clock
zenith sonnet
@sick creek Starting to run into the first bottlenecks with 16 GiB nowadays
My next build is going to be 32
ashen spindle
if you want some depth testing, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugwAOvijHQ
sick creek
yeah, so i might do 32 anyway then. but i dont want to fill up all my DIMMs because that has always caused me stability issues in the past with vdroop
zenith sonnet
I'm eyeing with Trident Z Royal
sick creek
so if i do 32 i'm doing 2x16
zenith sonnet
That's what I want, too
But you might have to sacrifice timings
warped dove
Why? So you can upgrade to 64? heh
sick creek
no
so i dont fill up the dimms
full dimms is generally bad for OC
because the VRMs have to work a little harder because there are double the memory sticks drawing power
warped dove
570x should be better than ever at handling that kinda thing
sick creek
well i hope so, but i also don't 100% trust marketing lol
ashen spindle
most x570 boards are daisy chain so 2 sticks are still better than 4
the power drawn by the sticks is absolutely no concern lmao
warped dove
even x570x probably has dual channel memory right?
sick creek
of course it has dual channel, or i'd get 1x32 lmao
warped dove
So as usually 2 is more performant than 4 (in no way that is ever perceivable in the real world)
I mean compared to quad channel
ashen spindle
no that comes down to the memory layout on the board mostly
sick creek
oh, well, idk, i've never had a quad channel board
ashen spindle
but again, even 4 sticks can easily do 3800 and you dont really want mroe on ryzen 3000
sick creek
lol so i'm watching this video
i love how he's talking about "you want to do this"
and then i look over to the stable? column
and i'm like 
crude cipher
2×16 3600MHz gskill today for 165usd
sick creek
i mean i get what he's saying, it makes sense
but i think i'm gonna buy some higher speed ram and lower the clocks
and lower the timings
ashen spindle
I mean I put my 2133 sticks to 3000 lmao just get something fitting and just tighten the timings, lowering clocks on higher binned chips doesn't always equate to more options for tighter timings
sick creek
btw when you say IF clock, IF = ?
ashen spindle
Infinity Fabric
sick creek
oh ok
ashen spindle
the stuff connecting i/o die and core die
sick creek
yaya
i was like i feel stupid for asking but i assumed it was something ryzen specific
ashen spindle
yeye its something new no worries
ashen spindle
see there it gets complicated, generally yes, though there are some weird sticks out there that don't follow the norm
but probably not relevant for anything you might get
sick creek
well that guy's video was saying dual rank is actually better for perf
so i just want to make sure
ashen spindle
if you want to watch him explain it and some special cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgFXVhsK1ok
sick creek
pcppicker doesnt have a memory rank option