🔌│tech

[pale sigil]

Who tagged me

[wheat plume]

🤔 they both uploaded at same time

This guy is definetly NOT an average consumer

he has all da high end things

Yesh

Xiaomi!

[feral jolt]

i have a rosewill psu and gotten all kinds of shit for it

but my voltages are good, its 80+ platinum 850w and was a super good deal i think around 60 dollars when i bought it 6 years ago and it has 1 more year on warranty

[zenith sonnet]

Voltages is one thing

Ripple is another

The latter is the cause for most coil whine

[feral jolt]

havent noticed any

[wheat plume]

I don't like this hole...

It's better on the side I think

[ashen spindle]

oh neat, Zen3 design is completed

[wheat plume]

Huh?

[ashen spindle]

next amd cpu architechture

[wheat plume]

Ahh

[ashen spindle]

https://i.gyazo.com/d1f41407ea55e2bf9c6232b0e5ff914b.png that is a good thing to show "hey look we can even make java run much better "

minecraft servers finally getting stable

[wheat plume]

Who showed this?

[ashen spindle]

amd epyc horizon event is currently going on

watching a livestream

[wheat plume]

Oo

[ashen spindle]

damn only 7.5k for that cpu

man I really want to see how far intel's cpu share will drop

99% previously, how far down can we go

(in server market)

[ashen spindle]

god damn https://www.anandtech.com/show/14694/amd-rome-epyc-2nd-gen

[ashen spindle]

look just because you dont use it doesn't mean majority doesnt use it

if you put it on the side you make it really awkward to use for most cases

I mean have something solid like older phones have, or wait untill you dont see it anymore at all, some phones already kinda hide it unless its in use

you say you dont use it then you complain if it can fail, but why would that matter for you then

what

so if it doesnt matter for you, why does it matter how they do it

[zenith sonnet]

Just make two phone models

[ashen spindle]

you literally started by saying "jsut remove the camera"

[zenith sonnet]

One with, one without facecam

[ashen spindle]

now you say "but other people use it"

[zenith sonnet]

Just leaving out the cam is pretty easy

Just make it so you only need one

[ashen spindle]

it's not popping in and out, but it can be hidden below the screen and the part where it is turns off if you use it

I can try to find it but I dont care enough about phone to know if that was about an existing one or an upcoming feature

but I can see if I can find it

[zenith sonnet]

@ashen spindle release date for the 3950X yet?

[ashen spindle]

https://bilder.pcwelt.de/4218144_620x310_r.jpg

nothing aside from september yet

my guess is 5th

[zenith sonnet]

What about the 11th 🤔

[ashen spindle]

bc in american date format you then can say (3) 9/5 (0)

[zenith sonnet]

Hmm

That makes perfect sense

But then agaib, not

13th September is BL3
I expect it before then

[ashen spindle]

its still a engineering sample afaik so could change

dont think they carea bout bl3 in regards to the 3950x lmao

[zenith sonnet]

I'm not so sure
There's so much hype around BL3, and it's AMD featured

[ashen spindle]

yeah but that is mostly for amd gpu's

cpu barely makes a difference

[zenith sonnet]

Pfff hah

CPU is where it's at

[ashen spindle]

and they make maybe a couple pennies more bc of it, saving good chiplets for epyc makes so much more

[zenith sonnet]

That's what has me worried

I want a CPU with good ones

But the 3950X is already 250$ more than the 3900X

And those 250$ are just two better chiplets

[ashen spindle]

for gaming it could even be worse as we've seen with threadripper previously

[zenith sonnet]

Doubtful
Or the 3800X would be able to beat the 3900X

[ashen spindle]

I mean I dont know after how many cores before the windows scheduler has issues, how much it affects temps, if the cores can even clock higher than 3900x etc.

I assume it to be basically equal

[plush summit]

so i am guessing this means my gpu is bad

[ashen spindle]

oh I was looking at his fps, I thought that was just a weird rain effect lmao

[plush summit]

But the shadrr works fine when i load another and then load this one

And one shader loaded a couple minutes ago and now it just crashes even though I reset it

Either way I still think I'm going to do the RMA since I don't have $600 to buy a new graphics card

[zenith sonnet]

Buy a 5700 XT AiB

400$ and seems to do a good chunk better than the reference cooled one

🤔 👌

[reef patrol]

Oh boye. Apple did another crummy thing.
Grass still green.

[old marlin]

what did they do now?

[reef patrol]

They changed their X lineup of phones to complain about non apple battery swaps.

Even with genuine batteries.

[solar hinge]

buy two iphone x phones, swap their batteries around, apple complains they're fake

i mean iOS complains it's fake :p

not sure

i thiink that was about the home button

[feral jolt]

I dont understand how apple keeps climbing

Honestly mind boggling

I haven't had an apple product in over a decade and even then I thought ugh its apple

But got it as a gift so 🤷 I used it

What does apple even have over the competition anymore

[reef patrol]

Yeah they've done this many times. Last big drama was when a system update would brick your phone, if you had swapped the screen if memory serves.

[feral jolt]

Their stock has doubled since 2016

Absolute bonkers

What innovation have they done since 2016?

[pale sigil]

GG I basically bought my sister an ipad beginning of this year and she still treats me like I don't do anything

[earnest osprey]

rekt

[wheat plume]

must do that javasscript shit again -.- and php too
fml, at least its the same project but we only got 2 weeks

[pale sigil]

@digital cliff cos its not simple?

[mortal widget]

https://www.amazon.com/HyperX-Double-Shot-PBT-Keycaps/dp/B07JDVG4RQ

would this look better instead of replacing the standard keycaps with red ones?

[zenith mirage]

it's all personal taste really. Me speaking, i don't like puddings but i can see the appeal

[pale sigil]

^

[mortal widget]

Is gaming that much different with a tkl vs a full keyboard

[old marlin]

you have a ton more mousespace

[pale sigil]

^

[reef patrol]

But no numpad.

Typing numbers on the row is so slow.

[old marlin]

ye

I use an 1800 board at home

but I try to use the numpad less and less

at home at least

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.techpowerup.com/258074/asus-rog-strix-radeon-rx-5700-xt-oc-detailed-some-more

Damn

AiB cards getting a 20% factory OC

Puts them right between the 2080 and the 2080 Super?

Or do I remember clocks wrong?

[ashen spindle]

hard to say, since oc before wasn't really a thing this might not change performance as much as frequency would make you think

also if you can get OC's on aib cards but not reference cards thats the biggest fuck you they could do to people who buy reference cards lmao

[zenith sonnet]

You can OC the ref card

The power delivery is solid

It's just hitting thermal limits with the reference cooler on stock clocks and voltages already

That's why UV gets you better perf than OC

[ashen spindle]

ah didnt notice there are now more options than changing sppt

okay watched the video from igors lab, I'm mad at amd again, if they would just not hide that and enable it, and use good coolers, the launch could've been so much better????

like why did they say you can't really oc them before release and then after launch we see they could be extremely good value if you oc them????

[warped dove]

Yo blower "cooler" on reference 5700 series sounds like a food mixer

When it starts getting to completely normal 70c temps

ASUS: "Our circuit boards are smooth, so you won't cut yourself when handling the cards" xD that's unironically great

Glad to see that they ditched the copper coatings in favour of something that looks like extrasmooth nickel. Copper always gets scuffed up and rubbed away even when cleaning with a coffee filter

now if they could just fix their ****ing website and support

[ashen spindle]

[pale sigil]

I'm playing in 4k and somehow only 42% of my gpu I'd bring used

[ashen spindle]

via geforce now?

[pale sigil]

No

[ashen spindle]

what game? is framerate capped?

[pale sigil]

I have the replacement cpu already in so I'm playing off my hardware

Destiny 2 and yes, but I'm not getting solid 60 at full 4k

[ashen spindle]

is cpu at 100%?

[pale sigil]

No

[ashen spindle]

is any core maxed out? since that is only showing total cpu usage

[pale sigil]

No

[ashen spindle]

hmm

[pale sigil]

Temps are low also 🤷

Weird thing is in 1080p it's around the same usage but ofc much more fps and maxed out

[ashen spindle]

does it go much higher in other games?

like do you see 40cpu/70gpu at all?

[pale sigil]

Some games aye

[ashen spindle]

hrm so its not power limit or so

dunno

you think he would get even close to 4k 60 on that? lmao

[pale sigil]

Lmao

Ofc it's not using integrated you muppet

[zenith sonnet]

It's probably poor monitoring and you're actually CPU limited

[pale sigil]

Idk why I would be though

1080p it's fine 🤷

Other games use a lot more %

Maybe it's destiny 2 idk

[zenith sonnet]

Try using Afterburner

See what it shows?

[pale sigil]

Tomoz

[zenith sonnet]

Also monitor GPU/CPU frequencies

[pale sigil]

I wanna get these challenges done and go bed

I plugged it into my tv because I'm extra lazy rn

Hence that huge image

And no direct screenshot

[zenith sonnet]

You don't need more than 24 FPS on a TV

[ashen spindle]

you only see 24 images a second and you blink sometimes so 20fps is definitely all you need

[pale sigil]

to game on

pft

i do

which i rarely ever do btw

[zenith sonnet]

Does your TV even support that?

Does it have tolerable display latency?

Gaming on TVs is for peasants :p

[pale sigil]

it does

it even has a gaming mode

i agree

but i was lazy

i think in the last 6 monhs ive used it like twice for gaming

lol

[feral jolt]

i gamed on a tv for a few years when poor college student

it at least was 120 hz 1080p

but VA ghosting was awful

[pale sigil]

Anyone have any AMD Wrath Prisms spare to sell

[zenith sonnet]

Soon.tm

[fickle ore]

Ultralight 2 on the way 😮

excited to try sub 50g mouse, didn't think I'd ever get a finalmouse, but other companies are lagging behind

[zenith sonnet]

lagging behind

How many ms is it faster than a GPW?

[ashen spindle]

[old marlin]

GPW should be at ~3.5ms behind the ikari

at least the other logitech lightspeed mice are

XM1 delay is pog

unfortunatley everything about the shell sucks imo

and weight wise the O- and MM710 aren't too far off the UL2

while not having wheels that break

delay wise finalmouse should be a small bit better than logitech

from what I can see

not that it makes a huge difference overall

should still be between 15 and 20ms for both

[fickle ore]

What I meant with lagging behind is, lagging behind in weight category

[old marlin]

well

mm710

O-

pretty good rivals

razer also released the viper recently

lighter mice just became popular with the big companies

[zenith sonnet]

GPW is as light as a mouse needs to be

[old marlin]

nah

i'd take it ligher

but gpw shape isn't good for me

g305 is better imo

[pale sigil]

305 is nice

wish it was a little bigger

and i would have kept it

[reef patrol]

Finally sold off my Node 202

[feral jolt]

That's why you mod the 305

Great internals but only one shape for some reason

[old marlin]

a little wider would be perfect imo

didn't get around to make one though

[fickle ore]

70g is still too heavy for my style of play

could be im too weak but I doubt it

305 shape isnt good for me

gotta deathgrip it otherwise it slips.

gpw is just a expensive potato, too heavy and the coating is like bar of soap 😄

yeah haha 😛

dont you have problem with the shape

and coating

weird how different ppl are and we even have same climate

I guess you hand sweats

mine are dry

i only sweat at the gym and asleep

no they are not really dry but not sweaty either

its like ice on my fingertips

glossy coating sticks like glue

😄

Do you have fat fingers?

like wide

another theory fucked then

I was thinking less contact area would have made my grip slippery

yea

like bar of soap

I have like pianist fingers

20x10cm hands

me neither

hum no

actually like a hybrid ftip/palm

maybe my fingerprint is different

haha what else then

maybe

only when I flick and I think personally my flick is fast af

deathgrip

it doesnt bounce between your pinky and thumb?

when u move it fast

also the hump is a bit too tall imo, kills my wrist

I want the base of my thumb touching the mousepoad

both? 😄

UL2 is 2mm shorter maybe It can happen mmm

same as me except 4.

only pinky touches on the right side

ye cant flick without thumb on the pad

[zenith sonnet]

80g isn't really any weight you notice...

Maybe it you have the arms of a little girl

[feral jolt]

No it must be so light your breath blows it around the mousepad

[warped dove]

Yay mouse talk. Mouse are driving me insane.

Pretty jelly @ nagga, ultralight smol sounds good

Just got a Glorious Model O (even though I told the retailer to cancel my order and send O minus instead),
and while my hands is big enough to lay on it very naturally and comfortably on it, I don't want to rest my hand I want control so I'm actually thinking the Coolermaster MM710 is really my only hope for claw grip control and lifts

I never understood super ergonomic mouse that keep your hand off the mousemat either

Worried that the side buttons on the CM710 look uncomfortable AF

Saw the Razer Viper, sounds great but still too big

Wish all mouse could have optical buttons, double click issues way too common killing the lifespam of mice.

Though on this model o the side buttons are way too flat, trying to press them is distracting, maybe
I'll just learn using this thing before its time to return it, Hope the 710 is lit

end of mouse ramble

[feral jolt]

i just recommended my friend buy the intellimouse pro for a palm grip large hand

[old marlin]

@zenith sonnet even the difference between 80g and 70g is really noticeable on a mouse

[feral jolt]

I couldn't tell between 135 and 100g when I went from m65 to g305

[old marlin]

you can easily lower the weight of the g305 by 20g

doesn't need any permanent modding

or even screwing open the mouse

[feral jolt]

i know about the AAA mod

i just dont have an issue with it

[fickle ore]

I can tell the difference between g pro (87g) and modded g pro (75g) is night and day, maybe I have the arms of a little girl who knows

Where was that meet Tino? Sounds nice

@warped dove if you get MM710 let me know how it is. Are you gonna get O-?

[old marlin]

in Arnhem

[fickle ore]

I havent heard abotu that meet

[old marlin]

I'll likely get the MM710, but unlikely that I get the O-

[fickle ore]

Why?

[old marlin]

the normal O fits me size wise

I don't think I wanna fingertip it

over the MM710

[fickle ore]

Ah

The MM710 is wider but shorter than O-

[old marlin]

yea

[fickle ore]

the UL2 is just smoll

[old marlin]

I want width mostly

[fickle ore]

scared a bit, receiving it on monday

[old marlin]

and the UL2 is the price of both of these combined

[fickle ore]

Yeah

[old marlin]

for a mouse with a factory broken wheel

basically

[fickle ore]

Theyve tightened the housing and axle

shouldnt break anymore will see

[old marlin]

well, let's hope

cause the basic wheel mold doesn't seem new to me

and one of the rjn review models either had a big crease or crack in it

[fickle ore]

I would get the MM710 but the width is too much for me I cant aim with wide grip

[old marlin]

I have 20x10 hands

[fickle ore]

I aim best with below 6cm width

[old marlin]

so it should work for me

[fickle ore]

Me too O.o

[old marlin]

G305 isn't wide enough to be 100% comfortable

to me

[fickle ore]

wth its too wide for me

[old marlin]

rip

XM1 was unbearable for me unfortunatley

[fickle ore]

didnt test it

what is the width?

I aim well with FK2 width (58mm) and worse with more

36mm height is the max for me

length im yet unsure about

I think I'll get model O- aswell but It's really annoying to get same weight I need to open it up remove leds to get it to around 54-53g

[old marlin]

ehh

XM1 width varies a lot

[fickle ore]

where you grip it basically

[old marlin]

tightest point where your fingers sit is pretty tight

[fickle ore]

middle of the mouse I guess

[old marlin]

not sur ern

but that wasn't my problem

100% sure that is the dwidest point though

it does this thing

https://streamable.com/lyom7

qc really seems to be up there for FM

[pale sigil]

Ooft that's annoying

[plush summit]

ouch

[latent mural]

Fuckin yikes.

[fickle ore]

thats just one unit, will see when more ppl receive their units hows the qc, but thats not good

[old marlin]

well, I hope it is just one unit

since they already made the repalcement units

[fickle ore]

if its that unstable Ill just return it

[pale sigil]

anyone got any ideas how i could make my fan turn on for like 5 min thn turn off for 10 and repeat

@golden girder maybe you since you're the nerd with engineering stuff

[ashen spindle]

what fan?

cpu? gpu? case?

[pale sigil]

actual fan

like plugin fan

to cool you down

[golden girder]

@pale sigil Some mainbord vendors offer tools to control the fans. I can't name you a tool where you can control the system fans.
For the graphics card there are a lot tools which can control them, like MSI Afterburner. But I don't know a tool there you customize the things you want.

[pale sigil]

sorry

i should have specified

[golden girder]

Ohhh for a USB fan it's different. If there isn't a tool which come with it you maybe have bad luck. But you can only control it if your system can detect the USB fan, if not there is nearly no chace.

[pale sigil]

not usb

actual plug

😄

[ashen spindle]

so on a fan header on the boards?

[golden girder]

Then it's easy, buy a shart plug socket.

[pale sigil]

most of them work on a simple time scedule

[golden girder]

With my FitzDect210 together with my FritzBox I can archive the periodic operation you want.

[ashen spindle]

if your mainboard allows controlling fans outside bios you could also just set up a batch script to do it

[golden girder]

He has a big fan with a normal power plug, no USB, no PC fan.

[ashen spindle]

ahhh ok

[golden girder]

@pale sigil There are some ZigBee smart plugs availible. Even if the app don't allow you to create such a schedule you can at least control them via an API, but if you can't code this wount help you. So you would need to look for a suitable smart plug.

[pale sigil]

technically speaking

i can do it but id have to create like 100+ events

xD

most of my smart switches are great

but to creatre simple rules no

however i can use IFTT

[mortal widget]

Are there any recommended wristrests for the Wooting Two?

[golden girder]

The Wooting wrist rest. But it will take some time until it's available. 😋

[glad scroll]

I remember just looking up the dimensions on the keyboard and purchasing a wristrest from ebay with matching width

but I wouldn't recommend it today

[solar hinge]

@fickle ore the woot-up in Arnhem, netherlands

[warped dove]

@old marlin do you have a €5 mouse bungee from ebay too? ^^

[old marlin]

no, I use a wireless g305

and got a cougar bunker for free to one mouse

[warped dove]

@fickle ore I was gonna get the model O- but I've not been enjoying the shape of the O normal...

[feral jolt]

My friend who just got the intellimouse pro is super happy

I wonder how much I could sell an intellimouse shell g305 mod for on ebay

I guess it's a difficult mouse to mod but I might be able to pull it off with some dremeling

[old marlin]

Rec0nKill asked for ~90 euro iirc for his mods

[feral jolt]

That's not even the price of both mice

[old marlin]

I meant + the cost of the mice

[feral jolt]

I saw an fk1 g305 mod for 180 usd on ebay

Intellimouse is a hard mod that will take skill so could probably get a bit more for it

Unless I can get my hands on a bunch of old ones

Newer design in second pic is not modder friendly

[pale sigil]

Thanks ububtu

[sudden glacier]

[crimson wigeon]

Very bad

[warped dove]

It's beautiful

I hope you made a screenshot

It's like abstract expressionism but by a operating system, please start an art gallery

[warped dove]

https://www.traystatus.com/

So I've installed this small windows app to display the on/off state of caps lock as the Wooting doesn't have a good indicator for it.

( feature request for alternative/customisable location of the on keyboard indicator is already in the wooting roadmap trello board with only 3 upvotes c'mon people B) )

[ashen spindle]

but you can change the color of they caps key if caps is on

ahh

[warped dove]

useless, my hand covers it while typing

tino's right

[ashen spindle]

yup, I have it set as compose key, dont need capslock

[warped dove]

I find caps lock more comfortable than shift key holding hand contortion even for 2 letter acronyms on most cases. Just mentioning for discussion's sake.

But for programming I'm accustomed to using caps lock for enums and constants, so to disable it sometimes would be jarring.

(totally not for memeing and raging online)

[ashen spindle]

[warped dove]

totally

[timid chasm]

the bright white caps lock key isn't enough of an indicator?

[warped dove]

my hand is opaque

[timid chasm]

your hand constantly rests over it...?

[ashen spindle]

better fit to discuss it in #archived_wootility_feedback or so than here btw

[warped dove]

I was about to post there

I came here to share the TrayStatus App

hope it's interesting to someone, binary fortress makes some sturdy utility software

but @timid chasm I think I'll take a picture as to clearly illustrate this one and forall

I miss how easy glass CRTs were to clean

[timid chasm]

👍 good plan

[old marlin]

there are glass LCDs

[pale sigil]

prob

its the lock screen

lol

[zenith sonnet]

Has anyone done a benchmark of Ryzen 3000 with HPET on/off
I only know SMT on/off

[zenith sonnet]

Stupid computer

Unstable at stock settings

But I cannot figure out a reason

[crude cipher]

Including stock RAM?

Sounds like RMA time

[zenith sonnet]

@crude cipher Trying again
Not sure if it was stock RAM or XMP enabled

Board and memory support DDR4-3200, but the CPU doesn't officially

But it's the weirdest thing

It'd be stable for weeks/months at OC settings

And then start BSODing seemingly random

No matter if I keep OC or revert to stock or whatevr

And then it just stops again for a while

Also, it's long past RMA time

Except PSU and RAM, I think

[crude cipher]

Which chip/mobo?

[zenith sonnet]

5820k/Asus X99-Deluxe (original)

G. Skill Ripjaws V 3200 CL16

[feral jolt]

i have that same ram kit

could it be a mem controller issue?

[zenith sonnet]

Possibly
But boosting VCCIO should help with that

Doesn't really

XMP already sets it to I think 1.25V

[feral jolt]

Maybe you need your new build sooner than later

[zenith sonnet]

I've had these issues long enough now :(

[feral jolt]

Are you waiting for TR or something

I know you were talking about some fancy build

[zenith sonnet]

3950X is more than enough :p

TR is a little out of my league

[zenith sonnet]

Zen 3 isn't supposed to be a big performance uplift anyway, mostly perf/watt

And I guess Zen 4 will be on a new socket

[zenith sonnet]

I should sell my VIIs and buy 5700 XTs
AiB cards are dope

At least on par with 2070 Super or 2080 for 400$

[old marlin]

if you can sell them lol

you won't get a good price for them

since the stock 5700XT is almsot as good

[zenith sonnet]

I'd probably get just that for them

But tbh

[old marlin]

if you sell the VIIs contact me

[zenith sonnet]

Same FPS, but more VRAM

[old marlin]

I might klnow somebody that buys them

for compute power

[zenith sonnet]

VII isn't worse than the 5700 XT, at least

[old marlin]

ik

in some compute tasks the VII is still much better

but for gaming it is almost on par

and we don't klnow how well AiB cards will perform

with a decent OC it might blow the VII out of the water

Add in Boardpartner

basicallyy cards designed by sapphire, xfx and powercolor

or similar

the xfx topmodel will be the THICC 2 btw

so more werid terms

[zenith sonnet]

Sapphire is usually making the best models

[old marlin]

usually

[zenith sonnet]

First reviews are out, btw

[old marlin]

we haven't seen theirs yet

[zenith sonnet]

Asus Strix

[old marlin]

the best one currently is likely the powercolor one

asus strix sucks for amd

vega64 was especially bad

with strix

[zenith sonnet]

Yeah

Asus just reuses Nvidia coolers

[old marlin]

problem was the thermalpad on the vrms

which throttled the card

[zenith sonnet]

I'm putting the VIIs under water next month

Should be nice

Although I don't see them throttling

But I can increase clocks

[fickle ore]

no reason to really benchmark HPET @zenith sonnet

[zenith sonnet]

Benchmark what specifically?

Oh, right

There are again and again claims that certain programs suffer a 5-8% performance penalty

Those numbers were straight from AMD

[fickle ore]

you said yesterday ] Xeanoa: Has anyone done a benchmark of Ryzen 3000 with HPET on/off
I only know SMT on/off

[zenith sonnet]

So I'd like to know of there's truth to that

[fickle ore]

HPET is located on the southbridge vs invariant TSC on-die, so HPET incurs latency penalty which is no good as primary timer

[solar hinge]

@zenith sonnet https://youtu.be/FQJCm7bnOfU

[ashen spindle]

meh only dual fan design

[zenith sonnet]

Pulse is Sapphire's low end model

There's going to be something bigger

[ashen spindle]

The asus strix version looks good, hopefully someone will test that one

[old marlin]

nope

strix on amd is pretty much always crap

the tuf one looks like a strix with the shroud of the matrix

sapphire will likely have the best one

after that likely powercolor

but they will have prduction problems, due to a taifun

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioJHGyivLpQ

looks like something good so far

[old marlin]

the cooelr is usually the problem

AMD PCBs are usually pretty good

because the standard PCB is already pretty insane usually

[ashen spindle]

and its a tripple fan design so it is kinda hard to make it much worse than others

[old marlin]

ehh

vega64 strix flashbacks

where the card throttled

because the VRM overheated

[ashen spindle]

okay and here the vrm is a lot better apparently

[old marlin]

the vrm wasn't the problem

it was the thermal pad

since they didn't adjust the cooler etc enough and needed a thick af thermal pad

[ashen spindle]

yes but better vrm also means less heat so even a thick thermal pad wouldnt be as bad would it?

[old marlin]

true

they have to be MUUUUCH better though

we'll see how it performs

Sapphire will be at the top anyways

like always

[ashen spindle]

either way its nice to see that we finally have version the average consumer can buy without any issues

[old marlin]

took them long enough

although the RTX cards took a similar time for AiB cards

[ashen spindle]

yeah and the reference design name change to something that means OC for 100$ more was dumb etc.

but at least the nvidia models worked

not great, but you didnt really run into limits

but amd once again were the ones that hurt amd products the most

I really hope the Intel GPUs next year wont have such shit reference designs and are limited from it lmao

[old marlin]

well

at least AMD cards are "horse free"

[ashen spindle]

[old marlin]

I am quoting GN here

[ashen spindle]

didnt know nvidia and lidl had a cooperation going

[old marlin]

nah

nvidia glued their cards

[ashen spindle]

ohh that thing

[ashen spindle]

oof

[crimson wigeon]

Preferably before that unless you want to risk it killing other components

[ashen spindle]

well with a good psu you wouldn't have had this issue in the beginning

[ashen spindle]

I mean you get more than 10 years warranty for some

[crimson wigeon]

Rather too much than too little

[ashen spindle]

because titanium is overkill? platinum is good enough

but you know a psu is best used if the powerdraw is at 50% of the rated wattage of it?

erm

yes there is, 80+ ratings?

why do you think all of them have a curve that has peak efficency at 50%?

[old marlin]

dude

[ashen spindle]

for titanium you need 96% efficency at 50% usage

[old marlin]

if you cut up all the tables you won't get information

not that hard

[ashen spindle]

he got it from the english wiki site

[old marlin]

well

same info

[ashen spindle]

anyway, they all have the peak at 50%?

[old marlin]

just layed out a little differently

yea

yes

[ashen spindle]

yes

[old marlin]

not that it matters a whole lot

you basically get a guarantee that your psu won't explode

[ashen spindle]

because a 400W psu with titanium efficency makes no sense

[old marlin]

you won't save a lot anyways

and it is easier to do with a bigger psu

thsoe are redundant

[ashen spindle]

the ammount of power loss you need to prevent is a lot harder to achieve at lower total wattage

[old marlin]

and server psus have a ton of power

even a couple years ago like 750w with gold efficiency was VERY common

nah

don't aim for platinum or higher efficincy for low power systems

[ashen spindle]

get a good fitting psu from a good vendor like seasonic

[old marlin]

just use 220v AC

[ashen spindle]

open it and play russian roulette by tapping different components on the inside?

[zenith sonnet]

My RM1000i 1000W was a pretty good deal for 190€, I think

[zenith sonnet]

Probably because it does not have security? :p

Security features are rarely improving user experience

They require additional input, cause slow downs, additional steps and what not

[neat oriole]

Fuuuuuuk me

I was holding it in my hand and it just popped open

[crimson wigeon]

Nice

[old marlin]

"Macs don't break"

[fickle ore]

my ultralight 2 arrived, its small af 😮

[fickle ore]

its pretty small, just made it 1000hz via dm1s software

so easy to aim with, and control with your fingertips

tbh im happy if it doesnt break, my new endgame

😄

[neat oriole]

https://drop.com/buy/sony-wh-1000xm3-sennheiser-hd-6xx-headphone-bundle

This is a solid deal

Just throwing it out there

[old marlin]

getting the HD 6XX in EU was pretty much not worth it

I saved like 40 euro total

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.techpowerup.com/258228/110-c-hotspot-temps-expected-and-within-spec-amd-on-rx-5700-series-thermals?cp=2#comments

OMG

People are just to stupid to understand AMD's new temp sensors

[crimson wigeon]

shocker

[still cave]

I just bought a new monitor and 3 days in it has a dead pixel

any idea what i can do about this? because i cant return it or use my warranty as i bought it form a different country, so ill have to pay to repair it.

[old marlin]

rip

ehh

well

yea

basically ignore it

only real fix is to get a new panel

which could be a bad one

and come with one or more dead pixels

[solar hinge]

warranty wouldn't work anyways

99% of the companies have those x amount of deadpixels with a m²

cm²

[still cave]

yeah rn im dealing with it

its nothing too bad, just annoying

[thick elk]

I got the 6xx in europe and I remember It being worth it when I got it. Though in the end I didn't have to pay vat or import tax so that was a bonus but even without it did safe a fair bit when I did it

Payed around 200 in total in late 2017

[old marlin]

I had to pay a lot extra in import and VAT

and got it in late 2017

[thick elk]

Oh that sucked also it seens to have been 190 in total which was a pretty sweet deal. I guess I just got lucky.

[old marlin]

I would've payed 40$ more instead of waiting for months

[thick elk]

Yea that makes sense. I was not in a hurry when I ordered it and even with vat +15 euro fee of the caarier the difference would have been bigger

[fickle ore]

next time just keep returning your screens until you get one with no deadpixels

[reef patrol]

This is why I love our 14 day return window policy in Denmark.

Enough time to inspect it for damage and dead pixels.

[thick elk]

Long live EU regulations I guess

[pale sigil]

Do you think this will fuck up thermals much

[fallow bison]

Ehhhhhh ish but prob not much

If you have good themalpaste

[pale sigil]

Can probably sand it maybe

[fallow bison]

Wouldn't bother

A few rough spots is prob better than a sanded scratchy surface

[timid chasm]

I can't imagine it'd be that much for most people

[ashen spindle]

cant even tell what that is

[timid chasm]

I assume it's the bottom of the heatsink

[pale sigil]

Where thermal paste and cpu touch

[timid chasm]

so the bottom of a heatsink?

[pale sigil]

Yes

[ashen spindle]

wtf that looks so weird

[timid chasm]

Did you jab your knife on it a bunch?

[pale sigil]

It's a second hand amd wrath

My friend was looking to buy

[timid chasm]

IS it cheap?

[pale sigil]

Ye

[timid chasm]

hell yeah go for it

[pale sigil]

€25

[ashen spindle]

ah so those are the heatpipes directly on it, only ever really saw version where its a flat contact plate

[pale sigil]

@timid chasm

[ashen spindle]

https://overclock3d.net/gfx/articles/2014/04/25102412332l.jpg

looks quite different so I didnt recognize it lol

[pale sigil]

Noctua?

[ashen spindle]

si

[timid chasm]

Mr fancy shit over here

[ashen spindle]

yes, I like my noctua for the fancy colors

[old marlin]

that copper direct touch one looks like an AM4 stock cooler

and for smaller coolers direct touch is better

[pale sigil]

Noctua has already earned my favoritism

[faint hatch]

@pale sigil that cooler if you have some solder and a soldering iron or a torch you can fill the divits with tin

will fix it

[pale sigil]

Isn't for me

He's just gonna get a hyper 212

[faint hatch]

ait

[zenith sonnet]

I seriously think it's the mainboard that borked

fleimi | tinoToday at 13:43
are you actually in the market for new hardware?
and if so, what are you getting

I'm planning to do a fresh build, or rather, two

Waiting on the 3950X right now. Unless frequency scaling is piss-poor, in which case I might go for 3700X instead, it's what I wanna get.
Zen 3 isn't supposed to be a big performance upgrade anyway, mostly focusing on perf/watt
And I expect either Zen 4 or Zen 5 latest to be DDR5 with a new socket.

Then along with that, new RAM (32 GiB) and Motherboard. By the time the 3950X reviews are out, there should be some consensus on what's good and what isn't

Some new SSDs, if there's good ones, otherwise I'll wait for something

New case and cooling: Actually wanna try custom water loop this time.

Well..
That's not how you quote 🤔

Or ping...
@digital cliff

TR is gonna be last to be released
Otherwise a 16C TR build might be good, too

Since you get more RAM channels and stuff, but I dunno if that matters for my usecase

I probably benefit more from lower latency

Unfortunately I haven't seen 16 GiB CL14 sticks at 3600+ yet

[ashen spindle]

you wont see 16gb sticks with cl14 at those numbers

you'll need to get lucky with a good bin an manual timiings

I'd bet the gskill 3800 cl14 8gb sticks will be the best you can get for ddr4

[feral jolt]

I hope zen 4 is ddr5

[ashen spindle]

would be strange if its not imo

[feral jolt]

Or even double compatible

[faint hatch]

it will most likly have a ddr5 controler that can handle ddr4

like the phantom cpu's

[ashen spindle]

intel servers will have ddr5 in 2021 so I'd assume both intel and amd to have it around the same time

[faint hatch]

intel is likly to be slower

as intel stock clockspeed the controlers can handle as such the safe mark of ram speed is 2666 whilst its 3666 for amd thats top stock suport meaning there controlers are more sofisticated to be able to handle higher as were intel is not comfterble to haver locked cpu's runn higher ram frequentie

[ashen spindle]

its 3200 for Zen2

which is the same rating as ice lake

or 3733 for LPddr4 but dont think numbers for that are known with zen2 yet so barely matters

so from what he have now it would indicate to be similar on both platforms

[zenith sonnet]

I want AMD to do Zen 5 on 5nm with DDR5 and PCIe 5 on socket AM5
And market the 55555 to hell 😛

[ashen spindle]

yeah great so they will make a 5nm gpu release as well on 5/5 and thus again have shit drivers at release

please no

I want them to have a not shit launch for once

[zenith sonnet]

Also, they need to make a Zen 5 5555X with 5.5 GHz boost (even if it needs LN2) and 55 cores

[timid chasm]

calm down there Satan

[zenith sonnet]

And make a limited run of 555 pieces and sell them for 5555$

That'd be just hilarious

They milked the 7
They can milk the 5 so much harder

The constellations are in place

[feral jolt]

Pentagram shaped cpu

[reef patrol]

#PentaCoreCPU

[ashen spindle]

#PentaChipletCpu

[solar hinge]

is there actually a specific reason that cpus are square?

i mean, convenient in the sense of production and "easy" to handle

but is there a physical limitation that you could not make them in a circle or pentagram?

[crimson wigeon]

Not really, would be fun to see a circular one since the wafers are circular

[solar hinge]

but getting more cpus on a wafer would be easier on square ones :p

[ashen spindle]

^ and more complex shapes to min max cutout wouldn't make sense since it increases other risks and stability of forms etc.

[reef patrol]

Easier to design and cut I imagine

[solar hinge]

pentagram design would be good though, depending on the "average" size of chips on a wafer

you could more easily fill a full wafer with pentragrams, but as sizes are different per chip, this would be very tricky

[plush summit]

I think it has to do with the way the circuits are manufactured

[zenith sonnet]

Well, rectangles and hexagons are the only 'easy' shapes to fill out an area without wasted space
Since a wafer is like 18000$ at 7nm

The IHS is free from this restriction, though
But a square shape will cover the die with smallest physical size

Doesn't really matter any more, the IHS shape is mostly historic and kept for convenience and compatibility reasons

[karmic grail]

hnnnnnnGgggG

[old marlin]

ask for the first 4 numbers of the s/n before buying

[zenith sonnet]

That sounds aweful tbh

Are mice that hard to get in upside down land?

[old marlin]

theprice is actually good

a used one is still easily 80 euro in germany

and it sounds like he bent the switchplates so it gets stiff af

[zenith sonnet]

With some coupons you can get them new for 90€ on the Logitech store

[old marlin]

ik

[karmic grail]

Price is insanely good, a new one costs 250$

The cheapest I've seen new is 180-190$

[neat oriole]

Yeah the 6XX/Sony WH1000XM3 bundle is US only I think

[reef patrol]

Some things are - Since they are imported before shipped.

It's a recent thing they experimented with. Not sure if it was repeated. Lemme see

https://drop.com/talk/22344/massdrop-testing-local-shipping-in-european-union

It was only a few products back in may - Not sure if it was expanded upon. But they ARE aware of the issue with import fees.

https://drop.com/talk/23671/testing-local-shipping-in-european-union-part-2

Aha! There's a part 2 😄

[old marlin]

still the only thing really worth it are exclusive gmk sets

[neat oriole]

Well the headphones are good too

[old marlin]

not saying they aren't

but they are expensive to get here

the usual versions are almost as expensive when you have to import

[warped dove]

The features xD https://steelseries.com/gaming-keyboards/apex-pro

"OLED Smart Display"

"8x faster response, 5x faster actuation"

[wheat plume]

I used to use the og Steelseries Apex, that not mech keyboard

it massive

[warped dove]

"DEEP AND DELIBERATE" 🍆

[feral jolt]

SERIES 5000 AIRCRAFT GRADE ALUMINIUM

[old marlin]

tbh

if the full board had the hall effect switches it could be decent

if they cut the price a lot

but from what I have heard the wheel on it feels pretty cheap

and I don't expect stellar build quality

[feral jolt]

No wootility

[old marlin]

steelseries software is decent enough

[pale sigil]

i was surprised yesterday

i went to an office and they ran linux

[wheat plume]

ooo

what version?

[pale sigil]

which they used to remote into windows 7....

[wheat plume]

distro**

????

wtf

[pale sigil]

wasn't sure i only seen a little

[wheat plume]

so they didnt actually use linux ?

[old marlin]

makes sense for centralization

[pale sigil]

but it looked like KDE

[wheat plume]

hmm

[old marlin]

you can throw any weak ass machine in an office

[pale sigil]

ye it saves a lot

[old marlin]

and have one giant and strong server for all your pc users

[pale sigil]

One of our clients where i worked before uni did this

except it was XP

[wheat plume]

I made my plasma sexy

[pale sigil]

they ran

lol

beyond weeb

[wheat plume]

GG Sherlock

[pale sigil]

loli weeb

[wheat plume]

🤔

[reef patrol]

Doing that remote login thing is pretty common actually.

I sell NUC sized PCs to a marketing firm that uses a central server that everyone just remotes into from these old, tiny PCs.

Works like a charm.

[pale sigil]

Ye

It's great

But also sucks

Because of a terminal crashes there's no way to recover it

[old marlin]

makes fixing stuff easy af

[pale sigil]

I once had to shutdown a lawyers terminal during their work because I couldn't recover it

Wouldn't respond at all

No matter what I did

[old marlin]

if you have it on a large scale all you have to do is migrate the crashed stuff to a new server

can happen automatially in minutes

and you can replace any terminal with anything and it doesn't need anything special

[pale sigil]

Yes but In this case the work wasn't saved

So a lot was lost

[old marlin]

the terminal doesn't save work?

[pale sigil]

Basically

[crimson wigeon]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who's always mashing that ctrl+s after every little thing

[old marlin]

it shouldn't at least

[pale sigil]

She didn't have word auto save nor did she save recently

The terminal wouldn't respond at all no matter what I did

So I had to force shut down

[old marlin]

even then, her virtual desktop should still be running

[pale sigil]

Amd she lost a lot of work and went absolute ape

No

It wouldn't

Virtual desktop aka terminal

was not responding

Not even I could connect

This was a bit ago so I can't remember all the steps I took

[zenith sonnet]

I dunno why
But writing a document again you just wrote and lost is among the most annoying things I can imagine

[pale sigil]

Especially when you're a lawyer

Mate they used to call the computers hard drives xD

[reef patrol]

Limitless

Such a crime that was cancelled.

[pale sigil]

Never could get into it

[reef patrol]

The theme speaks to the ADHD in me 😄

[ashen spindle]

the disk where windows is on? idk

additional disk shouldn't matter

[reef patrol]

I imagine it will panic fast.

[fallow bison]

But why

Aha

[pale sigil]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nhl-minnesota-wild-welcome-home-Ae7SI3LoPYj8Q

[fallow bison]

Huh

Whats something

What

I didn't even know you could do that

I mean you could try with a lightweight linux distro

Just for shits

O

Aha

[reef patrol]

You CAN make "unfuckable" windows boots. I use WinPE ones made for diagnosis and service.

They all create temporary cache drives.

[reef patrol]

Mood

[fallow bison]

Daaaaaamn

[pale sigil]

Ugh i hate the netflix app on W10

whenever i open my browser it closes

[fallow bison]

It also doesnt display native ultrawide

So i have to scale up

[pale sigil]

interesting

[fallow bison]

And render with virtual super resolution so theres no quality loss

Fucking annoying

[reef patrol]

I gave up on Netflix long ago. If they won't allow me to stream through browser in high quality (which I pay for), we have no more business to do.

[fallow bison]

Agreed, im not using it anymore either

We have a family plan sp my grandpa uses mine now

[pale sigil]

We use Netflix in our family

i used to pay for it but one time i couldm't and my sister took over payments

that was 8 months ago

im not complaining 🤷 😂

Honestly i love netflix

literally use it everyday

[warped dove]

Sounds like an unhealthy habit to me tbh

[pale sigil]

Well yes but no.

[warped dove]

healthily plays video games for 3 hours per day

[pale sigil]

i got nothing else to do

Whenever i do i can go out all day etc

i can happily put down my bad habbits

[warped dove]

Does anyone unironically use resolution upscaling? I find the blurriness unforgivably repulsive and unacceptiable

[pale sigil]

no its not

its silent

lol

i maxed out mibne

couldn't hear them

i think the x has a much better quiter fan

actually

[plush summit]

hyper 212 is quiet

i havent noticed a thing

my gpu is waaaaay louder

because you stopped playing minecraft

the only thing you were good at

[pale sigil]

Was on purpose

"Also linux sucks! But so does literally every operating system." ~ Mage 2019

but linux is the worst

im kidding

i miss linux

sick of using Windows for D2

this is what made me give up last time

when i played bdo

[feral jolt]

I thought it was known that powerline adapters need to be directly on the wall and preferably on the same circuit

[pale sigil]

Ok

this is pissing me off now

my WIndows 10 isn't syncing

i thought it was 2am

ffs

[earnest osprey]

What can't mage find a hundred things wrong with

[old marlin]

AV are pretty much snakeoil tbh

if you want something free use windows defender

it is better than most av on the market currently

actually windows defender detects better than malwarebytes lol

not really

some open security holes

most disable windows defender

all make your pc slower

just use win 10 lol

muh boomer os

if you worry about m$ getting your data don't use windows

as easy as that

[reef patrol]

Disable eeeeeeet

No AV, no problem.

[old marlin]

until you have a problem

not like there is an AV that isn't bypassed

[reef patrol]

Common Sense since 1990 😄

Beats having to deal with a terrible AV

[old marlin]

problem is

windows etc has a ton of security holes

[reef patrol]

I run Malwarebytes once a month. Haven't had a ping for a decade or so. Common sense and basic It literacy goes a long way.

And all of those fancy loopholes aren't protected by AV till it's far too late anyhow.

[old marlin]

that bypass most av

and all av are bypassed themselves

malwarebytes is worse then windows defender by now

not even a joke

[reef patrol]

But at least MWB doesn't try to block legitimate apps constantly 😄

[old marlin]

well

those aren't signed

if people would just properly sign their software

[reef patrol]

Ah yes - Signing. Literal blackmail from MS 😄

[old marlin]

pretty much

[reef patrol]

Oh your driver isn't signed? You gotta go through hilarious loops to get it to work... temporarily.

[old marlin]

still prevents you from getting infected by the cheapest virus ever

ehh

no

wootility isn't signed afaik

glorious software isn't

[reef patrol]

Wootility is signed af

[old marlin]

ok

[reef patrol]

It literally uses the official Xbox drivers 😄

[old marlin]

may be now, i remember having an unsigned version once

no

ik

software wasn't signed, may have been a beta though

[reef patrol]

Oh yeah - If it wasn't signed, you'd see a big blue popup every time you tried to launch it

Or when Windows quietly blocks part of software and driver installs, hoping you don't notice. Until the software breaks hard (Like RGB software)

Or how the Windows firewall is utterly useless.

[old marlin]

never had unsigned software breaking

[reef patrol]

"You just launched this game that goes online - Do you want to allow it to go online?"
No.
"That's great - We'll ignore you, in spite of interrupting you with a popup."

G.Skill's RGB installer required you to right click and unblock it to install properly. Windows never mentions it breaks it by blocking it or anything.

Whitelist by design is fine - Asking if you want to allow an app and ignoring your decision anyhow less so 😄

Instant disable 😄

[crimson wigeon]

So how do you feel about sudo?

How do you feel about su -c <whatever>

Then how is UAC stupid compared to it?

Yes I have not touched it because I don't need to

Whaddya mean

Very little needs to have admin rights

And software that demands elevation on startup is evil af

Usually only on install then they have their stupid little backdoor so explicit elevation is not required

Device manager is on the list of things allowed to elevate without prompting, which people can definitely have split opinions on

PB is crap and has always been a bit problematic to get going

I'm not implying anything

I wish we didn't need those things but people are jerks..

I haven't had problems with it although I don't use it much..

[old marlin]

EAC can be disabled in all games

if you can sign drivers

you can just replace EAC with something you signed basically

that is basically how EAC and battleye are bypassed

and both do fundamentally the same thing

why does 7D2D have an anticheat at all

[crimson wigeon]

Sadly the games that do that are rather dead.. but yeah I do kinda miss the olden times of always playing on the same few servers and really getting to know the regulars

I don't miss spending a lot of time trying to find the good servers from the long list of garbage tho!

[zenith sonnet]

Why can't we buy miniature fly-zapping laser turrets yet?

[pale sigil]

"Blocking ads is wrong, it helps creators"

[warped dove]

Xeanoa cos flies r dum n u can bamboozle dem into zappin demselv

There are a buncha okish products for trick n trapping them and 'squitos on amazon

[fallow bison]

Callum i found the nail!!

Is the egg under his shirt?????

[zenith mirage]

[fallow bison]

FUCK

I wasn't

I wish i was

Hey i also just found the mitten and comb!

Fuck im too good for these ads

[reef patrol]

😄

[warped dove]

egg juked

[pale sigil]

wot

no

why would it be

you should

even for general storage

[faint hatch]

actualy failuar rate of 5400 5900 drives is lower but nas drives don't care

those are what id recomend a nas drive as its mounted on a dual mounted axel as such they have even lower drive failuare

@proud nacelle

[ashen spindle]

"cooler temps on the GPU means hotter temps in the room too." I'm resisting so hard to not reply

[feral jolt]

its hard for me to play without a fan blowing on me

playing squad turns my comp into a leg warmer

but that logic is bad

just undervolt if you dont want your computer to make heat

[zenith mirage]

I really wish my PC produced less heat, but at the same time I'm too useless to undervolt

Plus from what I remember 390s don't undervolt well anyway so I might not even gain anything

Until I get a new GPU, it's windows open with fans around my room

Or ya know, until winter arrives and it's not so damn humid all the time

[faint hatch]

Yes its nas rated is all

[zenith sonnet]

@zenith mirage Seriously, just hit that 'Auto Undervolt' button in Wattman
It's that easy