#🔌│tech | Wooting | Page 782

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:16 PM

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... oh no they have some probably not relevant spikes on old cpu generations...

fickle ore Jul 9, 2019, 11:19 PM

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It was relevant back in 2012.. Just never fixed

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:20 PM

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with gpus that came out 2012?

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or only 780 from your example and later generations, which would be like 5 years afterwards?

earnest osprey Jul 9, 2019, 11:21 PM

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I think what ever point was being made has been lost

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so

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we can move on

fickle ore Jul 9, 2019, 11:21 PM

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meh doesnt matter to me. Never Nvidia again

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:21 PM

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and again, do those spikes even mean anything besides them being there? do they change performance in a practical way?

fickle ore Jul 9, 2019, 11:22 PM

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yeah they'll dip you once in a while

earnest osprey Jul 9, 2019, 11:22 PM

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frame time spikes are frame lag or stutters

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:22 PM

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like I get you dont like nvidia, but everytime you list technical reasons aside from software things, it's something where it's not even something that matters or is decades old

fickle ore Jul 9, 2019, 11:23 PM

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you can't see it in the averages, if its happening once every 5 seconds, but the cpu stalls for 0.6milliseconds which causes big fps drop

earnest osprey Jul 9, 2019, 11:23 PM

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but I believe it's on the order of ms needed to notice

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:23 PM

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600 micro seconds isnt really causing a framespike though

fickle ore Jul 9, 2019, 11:23 PM

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cpu stalling for 600 microseconds is very long

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:24 PM

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so it stalls it for 600 ys and that causes a 5 ms delay or what?

earnest osprey Jul 9, 2019, 11:24 PM

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GN explained frame time graphs at some point, I don't remember exactly what was said

fickle ore Jul 9, 2019, 11:24 PM

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-.-'

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:24 PM

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I know how framtime spikes work, but 600 microsecond delay is 1/10 of what you need to notice one

earnest osprey Jul 9, 2019, 11:25 PM

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frame time should be 1/fps right?

fickle ore Jul 9, 2019, 11:25 PM

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I mean aren't all frametime spikes happening below a millisecond?? Yet you notice them

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never matter the source

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:26 PM

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if you would notice frametime spikes below 1ms you could not play any game lmao

earnest osprey Jul 9, 2019, 11:26 PM

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one frame at 144hz takes 6.9 ms so like

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how are you going to see 1/10th of that

fickle ore Jul 9, 2019, 11:27 PM

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so you have normal frametime spikes because shit takes longer to render or more shit on the screen so preparing the frame takes slightly longer

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it doesnt fucking stall for 0.6ms

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to 0 fps

earnest osprey Jul 9, 2019, 11:28 PM

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One frame takes 7.5 ms instead of 6.9?

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gsync and that negate that quite a bit anyway

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:29 PM

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well if you say it delays it for 0.6ms yes, it effectifely does drop it to 0fps for thos e0.6ms

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so all I could get from that, is that it sometimes delays a frame by a time you cant humanly notice

fickle ore Jul 9, 2019, 11:30 PM

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I'm prob wrong, doesn't matter. My whole point was that I don't doubt at all that there could be issues with nvidia drivers causing lower perf

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waiting for future benches

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:31 PM

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okay but those issues might as well be on amd if its just random potential issues

fickle ore Jul 9, 2019, 11:32 PM

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Could be, and AMD migjht have some other bugs

earnest osprey Jul 9, 2019, 11:32 PM

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It could very well be that amd cpu's are having issues with nvidia

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:32 PM

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so in conclusion its an issue that does exist and probably hurts if you do some math calculations or kernel time testing or whatever, but not for average usages

earnest osprey Jul 9, 2019, 11:32 PM

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nothing to do with nvidia themselves

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People are maybe being a little too quick to say that intel and nvidia are sabotaging amd, when amd has been the source of most of their own problems

delicate osprey Jul 9, 2019, 11:47 PM

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although it's true there is a lot of dumb tribalism causing that, both intel and nvidia have demonstrably

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'sabotaged' amd

ashen spindle Jul 9, 2019, 11:48 PM

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I mean same way happend the other way around too, sadly normal in such competition

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on another note, while intel is behind on processing nodes, their packaging tech is cool https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/2503/intel-introduces-co-emib-to-stitch-multiple-3d-die-stacks-together-adds-omni-directional-interconnects/

WikiChip Fuse

David Schor

Intel Introduces Co-EMIB To Stitch Multiple 3D Die Stacks Together...

Intel is expanding its packaging portfolio with more advanced 2.5D and 3D technologies including multiple 3D stacks and omnidirectional interconnects.

zenith sonnet Jul 10, 2019, 12:34 AM

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Just reading through that reddit thread

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Apparently L1tech did test this whole thing proper, and found the same behaviour

ashen spindle Jul 10, 2019, 12:35 AM

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uh which one lol

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we've been talking about multiple things now that had reddit threads

zenith sonnet Jul 10, 2019, 12:48 AM

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The AMD+AMD vs Intel+AMD vs AMD+Nvidia

ashen spindle Jul 10, 2019, 12:51 AM

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for the .6ms delay things?

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too many too different things too late at night for me lmao

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 12:54 AM

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No the fact that amd's fps was much lower with an nvidia gpu vs intel

ashen spindle Jul 10, 2019, 12:54 AM

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ahhh

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 12:54 AM

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when it was higher paired with an amd gpu vs intel

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But that could literally just be

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amd could tune for their own gpus really well but didn't do as well for nvidia gpus

ashen spindle Jul 10, 2019, 12:56 AM

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ya it gets a bit hard to test and even if you do it, to come to a good conclusion

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 12:57 AM

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Which tomb raider game was it that they showed?

ashen spindle Jul 10, 2019, 12:57 AM

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rots probably

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 12:58 AM

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shadow

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I have rise but not shadow

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though maybe I will get shadow cause I like the games

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My cpu isn't here yet anyway :/

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"next day air" for ya

halcyon moss Jul 10, 2019, 9:18 AM

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choosing ram for zen2 is.. hard :p

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so many choices

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Do i go for 3200 ? or 3600? which latency?

lavish comet Jul 10, 2019, 9:21 AM

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3200 and CL as low as your budget can take

halcyon moss Jul 10, 2019, 9:23 AM

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so, cl14 or cl 16 ?

lavish comet Jul 10, 2019, 9:23 AM

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14 are best

halcyon moss Jul 10, 2019, 9:23 AM

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ah there is also 15

lavish comet Jul 10, 2019, 9:24 AM

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i have g.sill trident-z cl14 3200, expensive, but this is i think best ram

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look for samsung b-die

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F4-3200C14D-16GTZR

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i can recommend

halcyon moss Jul 10, 2019, 9:27 AM

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https://tweakers.net/categorie/545/geheugen-intern/producten/?currFilters=VY5BCoMwEEXvMusUEo1acwDBRVcui4sQh5ISa0iklEru3gmCbVfhv_9-mA2WMGHoLLoJFPhg7xHYDoclrMR0NAfxaHryToKB1zcc7BtBVZzlocGLfYCiENGhWXHa9QjqKlvBWdWM1BHrrFsxEN9AlE1-ntqRBaLmEsbEoJKZzvk_KIumPtMFs34dKSvtVymOusiVrNu_Pec_cwoppQ8&page=2#filter:VY5BCoMwEEXvMusUEo1GPYDQRVcui4sQh5ISqyRSSiV376SCtqvw339_yAqTH9C3Ft0ADcze3gOwDXaTX4jpYHYyozmTdxIMZn3Dzr4RmoKzNDR4sQ9oKAR0aBYcNj1Ac5W14KxQPXXEWusW9MRXELlKz1M7skCUXEIfGRQy0THdgzxTZUU_GPVrT0mpDyXb6yxVsqz_9pz_zCmktTqESqjj_jfEGD8

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ooh big link 😮

lavish comet Jul 10, 2019, 9:27 AM

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https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/zoeken/?keyword=F4-3200C14D-16GTZR

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they are

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on good mobo you can overclock it easily

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and with low CL it's combo-braker

halcyon moss Jul 10, 2019, 9:29 AM

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heh, rgb. that'll be useless in my closed case :p

lavish comet Jul 10, 2019, 9:31 AM

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meh, how much GB u need?

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16 or 8 or 32?

halcyon moss Jul 10, 2019, 9:32 AM

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i have 16 now in my current system, which has been sufficient, but for future proofing 32 might be interesting

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seems like all those G.Skill Trident use samsung b-die

lavish comet Jul 10, 2019, 9:33 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/

r/Amd - Clearing up any Samsung B-Die confusion (e.g. on G.Skill F...

172 votes and 340 comments so far on Reddit

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look for sth for you

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min. req: 3200 and CL14 and Samsung B-Die

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but in your case i would like to buy the same ram as you have already in your system

halcyon moss Jul 10, 2019, 9:36 AM

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current system means, fourth gen i5 to be replaced because its under BFv min specs :p

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Thanks. i'll have a better look later 😃

lavish comet Jul 10, 2019, 9:37 AM

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np ;D

halcyon moss Jul 10, 2019, 11:03 AM

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apparantly the difference between 3200 and 3600 is marginal

halcyon moss Jul 10, 2019, 12:32 PM

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(in Dutch, but the table should be clear enough)
https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/9397/26/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-a-ryzen-9-3900x-review-intel-voorbij-extra-test-geheugenschaling

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Hmm, cinebench doesn't seem to care. Also, the table isn't timing normalized unfortunately.

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Maybe better scaling would be seen if the timing wasn't increasing

halcyon moss Jul 10, 2019, 12:38 PM

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maybe cinebench fits inside the L3 cache? :p

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 12:40 PM

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Lol

zenith sonnet Jul 10, 2019, 12:48 PM

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That's not a fair comparison, though

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3200 CL14 has lower latency than 3600 CL16

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It just shows Ryzen cares more about latency than raw bandwidth

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They also didn't state what subtimings they used

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 12:59 PM

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It's only just lower haha

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I have a 3600 cl16 kit that I plan to overclock the timings on

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I think I can get it to cl 14

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3.89 ns lol

zenith mirage Jul 10, 2019, 1:26 PM

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Man CPU overclocking is already over my head, memory sounds even worse

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 1:26 PM

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RAM OC can definitely be a pain.

ashen spindle Jul 10, 2019, 1:26 PM

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dont worry, new amd cpus basically cant really overclock so you wont miss anything there doodleKek

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 1:26 PM

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bceExpert2

zenith sonnet Jul 10, 2019, 1:27 PM

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This thing work?
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/

TechPowerUp

DRAM Calculator for Ryzen

DRAM calculator for Ryzen helps with overclocking your memory on the AMD Ryzen platform.
It suggests memory timing sets optimized for your memory k

zenith mirage Jul 10, 2019, 1:27 PM

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That'd be handy if I had a new ryzen cpu aaaa

ashen spindle Jul 10, 2019, 1:27 PM

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yes but doesnt have an update for zen2 yet

zenith sonnet Jul 10, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Oh, not updated yet

zenith mirage Jul 10, 2019, 1:27 PM

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I'll give that a look

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I have a ryzen 1 so it could be handy

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Overclocking is my hidden shame with PCs. I can do a lot with them, but never that

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I'd pay somebody to do it for me, because I always seem to break it kms

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 2:50 PM

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is it possible to replace ur cpu and mobo without windows killing itself?

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 2:52 PM

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CPU? Yes. Motherboard?....yes usually. But you might need a new windows license.

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 2:53 PM

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ive tied my windows licence to my microsoft account

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Perfect - Was about to suggest that.

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 2:53 PM

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if i sign in

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cool

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Then you should be gucchi. Windows notices something is up on boot, disables all drivers, fetches new ones and it starts up.

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 2:53 PM

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i want to upgrade to ryzen

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need monies first and assurance its just a mobo, cpu,and cooler swap

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3000mhz ram should be decent for ryzen anyway...right?

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Good enough

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 2:55 PM

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3000 is gucchi.

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 2:55 PM

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i want a 32 gb set

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only have 16 rn

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 2:55 PM

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Only if you are doing something that actually needs more than 16

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 2:55 PM

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a 10 gigabyte picture

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and modded minecraft

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followed by like..20 vms

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 2:56 PM

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First off, why lmao

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Second,

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 2:56 PM

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my poor ssd was being used as page file space ;-;

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 2:56 PM

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I guess that would do it

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Sounds like you actually need 32, so go crazy

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 3:00 PM

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well

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i had a ram disk earlier

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and moved all windows temp file and all program temp files to it

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so it doesnt eat my flash on my ssd

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 3:11 PM

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It has to go back in the ssd on shutdown though

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 3:16 PM

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but its not being written and deleted when in operation

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and even then

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the ramdisk backup is stored on my hdd

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or atleast it was

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 3:24 PM

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That makes sense

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 5:20 PM

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@earnest osprey

📎 unknown.png

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i need more ram

sudden glacier Jul 10, 2019, 5:31 PM

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http://downloadmorerem.com/

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Oh dear

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 5:32 PM

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i need abetter cpu too

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but monies ;-;

zenith sonnet Jul 10, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Just save up until September

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

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idont work

pale sigil Jul 10, 2019, 5:58 PM

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He's an amd pleb

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Pre zen 2

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 6:01 PM

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i want a zen processor

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but i need to have monnie XD

delicate osprey Jul 10, 2019, 6:51 PM

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yeh I'm going 3900x

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just can't decide on x470 or x570

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 6:52 PM

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Do you want to have to flash first? Heh.

delicate osprey Jul 10, 2019, 6:53 PM

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that is what I'm considering yeah

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but the x570 mobos with the features i want are so expensive

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but the x470 ones I want don't have bios flashback

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so I might compromise and get a cheap amd processor/mobo to flashback an x470 and then use it as a server

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x570 (idle) power usage is just stupid

plush summit Jul 10, 2019, 6:55 PM

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x570 has fans

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which makes me sad

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so probably x470

delicate osprey Jul 10, 2019, 6:57 PM

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that too

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i would get the gigabyte aorus xtreme but it's like 700 euros

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(it doesn't have a fan)

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Not all 570 has need for fans.

delicate osprey Jul 10, 2019, 6:59 PM

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and yet they all have them

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 7:07 PM

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No.

delicate osprey Jul 10, 2019, 7:09 PM

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that 700 euro gigabyte one is the only one without afaik

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 7:44 PM

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None of them actually need fans

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But most have them

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I mean it's going from a 3-5 W part to a 6-10W part

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(x470 vs x570)

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Based on derb8uer's measurements

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Which, yes that's a lot more power, but it's still a very small amount of power

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The simple heatsink placed on most chipsets would still be enough

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 7:56 PM

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I know the Taichi lets you control fan speed to something less jarring. And I expect it to be less relevant, if you WC and ensure sufficient airflow.

open tinsel Jul 10, 2019, 7:58 PM

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Gave my computer a nice clean and now it does not sound like its screaming 😃

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Nice

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I'm hoping my x470 will be able to get into bios on the 3700x without an update

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The motherboard I got has no flashback sadly

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Then you won't.

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Well I have to try and fail to get my kit from amd

delicate osprey Jul 10, 2019, 8:28 PM

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for me it's not about the noise but the eventual failing of the fan

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 8:30 PM

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Guess you're skipping X570 then. Grab a B450, update it and run a lower chip. R7 or below.

delicate osprey Jul 10, 2019, 8:31 PM

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my plan is 3900x with x470 taichi

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 8:32 PM

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thinkernet_recovery

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Definitely not a bad pick.

timid chasm Jul 10, 2019, 8:33 PM

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has anybody done any write-ups with higher end ryzens on lower end mobos that support it?

delicate osprey Jul 10, 2019, 8:34 PM

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'lower end'?

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Science Studio (ugh) did one, and Hardware Unboxed both did a video on using... B350? boards I think.

timid chasm Jul 10, 2019, 8:34 PM

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I saw the AS Rock AB350 Pro4 supports them all with a bios update but wonder if it'll be shit

ashen spindle Jul 10, 2019, 8:35 PM

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GN will have a video on it tomorrow or so I think

delicate osprey Jul 10, 2019, 8:36 PM

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I think that's a good board but I'm not sure about something like a 3950x on it. also depends on the ram you intend to run

timid chasm Jul 10, 2019, 8:36 PM

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I'm surprised they support the 3900x tbh

delicate osprey Jul 10, 2019, 8:36 PM

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what the hell, it even has ECC

timid chasm Jul 10, 2019, 8:39 PM

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lol just noticed Mansens "ugh"

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science studio says that asrock doesn't mention updating to one bios and then updating to the others but I'm pretty sure they do

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Unless it's motherboard specific.

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 8:49 PM

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All boards need a flash, unless the shop did it for you (or later production runs).

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Flashback boards can do it without a CPU. Others need an old one temporarily.

timid chasm Jul 10, 2019, 8:49 PM

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Yeah. Just checked the page for his and they totally mention pre-req bios' for later bios'

golden girder Jul 10, 2019, 8:59 PM

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Even the new Raspberry Pi 4 has a wrong USB C circuit there the CC pins aren't correctly wired.
So you can't power it with intelligent / advanced cable at all (with a built-in e-marker chip). The problem is that they use the same pull-down resistor instead of two separate ones.

https://medium.com/@leung.benson/how-to-design-a-proper-usb-c-power-sink-hint-not-the-way-raspberry-pi-4-did-it-f470d7a5910

Medium

How to design a proper USB-C™ power sink (hint, not the way Rasp...

This issue came up recently for a high profile new gadget that has made the transition from Micro-USB to USB-C in its latest version, the…

fallow bison Jul 10, 2019, 9:02 PM

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lul

golden girder Jul 10, 2019, 9:11 PM

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I hope Wooting don't do the same error on the new connection cable. 😅

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 9:13 PM

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That's... incredibly embarrassing.

wheat plume Jul 10, 2019, 9:25 PM

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This is my favorite version of Zorin EVER ❤ https://youtu.be/oCSufrzgeIw

YouTube

OSFirstTimer

Mum Tries Out Zorin OS 11 Beta (2016)

In the beginning OSFirstTimer was all about looking for an operating system with a user interface more logical and user friendly than the one used in Windows...

▶ Play video

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11, not the beta xd

ashen spindle Jul 10, 2019, 10:07 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud8Bco0dk6Q amd really needs to learn how to make better reference designs omg

YouTube

Gamers Nexus

Fixing the RX 5700 XT Cooler for $0.04 | Paste & Washers vs. Therm...

We added some washers and thermal paste to the RX 5700 XT cooler to fix some of its previously dismal performance. Ad: Buy Corsair's Ironclaw Mouse (Amazon -...

▶ Play video

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hurts them so bad, especially with no AIB models right on launch

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and getting worse launch reviews

feral jolt Jul 10, 2019, 10:40 PM

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ive never bought a reference card

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and probably never will

reef patrol Jul 10, 2019, 11:07 PM

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I only buy them because they fit watercooling easier 😄

earnest osprey Jul 10, 2019, 11:59 PM

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I need the amd bios kit, sad.

plush summit Jul 11, 2019, 2:17 AM

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f

zenith sonnet Jul 11, 2019, 3:23 AM

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I guess that means the cooler is alright, AMD just needs to better control their manufacturing tolerances

ashen spindle Jul 11, 2019, 3:24 AM

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nah its still shit cooler

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just made worse than needed

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and a non blower style also would have less issues with manufacturing issues since its more effective

zenith sonnet Jul 11, 2019, 3:57 AM

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They didn't cheap out on it, at least

ashen spindle Jul 11, 2019, 3:58 AM

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well idk anything about costs for any cooler so not sure on that

earnest osprey Jul 11, 2019, 4:05 AM

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They put a vapor chamber and a pretty good sized heatsink, so it certainly wasn't a cheap cooler. But it's not the best one either.

pale sigil Jul 11, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Opinions on the new switch?

reef patrol Jul 11, 2019, 1:47 PM

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Too large to be a gameboy, not useable as a console for tv

delicate osprey Jul 11, 2019, 6:53 PM

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they claim the shitty blower cooler is intentional, so that everyone has the same (meh) experience regardless of case airflow

ashen spindle Jul 11, 2019, 6:53 PM

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yeah and its been proven that even in a shit system a downdraft aircooler does better

delicate osprey Jul 11, 2019, 6:53 PM

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if they had as nice reference designs as nvidia I'd already own one

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yeah it doesn't really make sense anyway

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the people that have such a shitty setup wouldn't notice the slightly worse performance anyway

ashen spindle Jul 11, 2019, 6:55 PM

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if you seal off your system with duct tape you also deserve shitty performance

feral jolt Jul 11, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I dont even put the side of my case on anymore

delicate osprey Jul 11, 2019, 6:56 PM

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that's worse

ashen spindle Jul 11, 2019, 6:56 PM

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depends

feral jolt Jul 11, 2019, 6:57 PM

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I have a fan blowing towards the case

delicate osprey Jul 11, 2019, 6:57 PM

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haha

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you'd still have more effective and efficient air flow with a proper internal fan setup though

feral jolt Jul 11, 2019, 6:57 PM

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My 800mm fan cooling is unparalleled

delicate osprey Jul 11, 2019, 6:58 PM

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sure, probably like 40W power usage though

feral jolt Jul 11, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Anyway I have an old board and two of my pwms are fucked

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Options are limited

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Need new mobo

delicate osprey Jul 11, 2019, 6:59 PM

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I need new everything 😦

delicate osprey Jul 11, 2019, 11:16 PM

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Well, still running an i5-2500k

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Do have the wooting one, so not everything everything ;)

pale sigil Jul 11, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Potato PC

ashen spindle Jul 11, 2019, 11:17 PM

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🥔

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💸

wheat plume Jul 11, 2019, 11:20 PM

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It actually does grow on trees

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Money is paper

ashen spindle Jul 11, 2019, 11:20 PM

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that looks generic enough to be a standard emoji pepoThink

wheat plume Jul 11, 2019, 11:20 PM

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You get paper from trees

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So yes
Money does grow on trees

ashen spindle Jul 11, 2019, 11:21 PM

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not correct, unless your tree grows on a tree

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only counts if you make money from leafes

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pepoThink

wheat plume Jul 11, 2019, 11:22 PM

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I know

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I was joke

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is joke

ashen spindle Jul 11, 2019, 11:22 PM

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in canada its made out of maple syrup so it might be accurate there doodleKek

wheat plume Jul 11, 2019, 11:22 PM

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Xd

ashen spindle Jul 11, 2019, 11:23 PM

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oh no twitter is dying again

plush summit Jul 11, 2019, 11:37 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568221022290051072/598749657023119391/aKxrj5j_460s.png

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glorious

fallow bison Jul 11, 2019, 11:38 PM

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Wtf churches are designed like pc's? Never knew

plush summit Jul 11, 2019, 11:38 PM

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glorious pc master race

zenith sonnet Jul 11, 2019, 11:46 PM

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I dig it

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Where can I order?

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I also dig the blue colour tones

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Dayum

feral jolt Jul 12, 2019, 12:14 AM

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looks like it was custom made

ashen spindle Jul 12, 2019, 12:17 AM

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wonder if intel will maybe do some price drops on their cpus this month rooThink

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putting together two builds for friends and I'd like to put in intel cpus

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 12:20 AM

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I found out that you have to attmept going through the mobo manufacturer for bios update support before you can get the amd boot kit

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So uh, I'm going to try that

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I'm tempted to buy an athlon with next day shipping and return it after the update

zenith sonnet Jul 12, 2019, 1:09 AM

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Can't update BIOS without a supported CPU?

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What board?

ashen spindle Jul 12, 2019, 1:09 AM

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only a few mobos have msi flashback buttons or the option to run updates with power/no cpu

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since on intel chipsets change quite often, its not something most manufacturers thought about

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 1:11 AM

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The top end gigabyte board for x470 has no flash back

ashen spindle Jul 12, 2019, 1:11 AM

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hm 2080 super comes out 23rd so I think I'll wait till then to make a pc recommendation and hope intel dropped some prices rooThink

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yeah I think only msi has that on some boards for pre-x570

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 1:12 AM

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I felt the board I chose is the best option anyway, just have to wait a bit longer to use it really

zenith sonnet Jul 12, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Lol
RIS completely trashes DLSS

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 1:14 AM

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DLSS is terrible anyway

ashen spindle Jul 12, 2019, 1:14 AM

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its weird that it doesnt work on dx11 though

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it works with dx9 but not dx11

zenith sonnet Jul 12, 2019, 1:23 AM

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RIS should work with DX9 and DX11, but not DX12 yet

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Afaik

ashen spindle Jul 12, 2019, 1:24 AM

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dx9, dx12 and vulkan

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not 11

zenith sonnet Jul 12, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Oh

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Must be something weird with the API

ashen spindle Jul 12, 2019, 1:24 AM

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maybe

zenith sonnet Jul 12, 2019, 1:24 AM

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Or it's just not done yet

zenith sonnet Jul 12, 2019, 1:43 AM

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It used to be subtle for the longest time
But now its literally:
Want better image quality and less lag? Go AMD.
Need more FPS than the 5700|XT can offer? Go Nvidia

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 1:52 AM

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those still need a cpu.

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usually

ashen spindle Jul 12, 2019, 1:52 AM

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yeah and most of them are msi

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 1:53 AM

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gigabyte has "Q-Flash"

ashen spindle Jul 12, 2019, 1:53 AM

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oh yeah forgot about that one

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 1:53 AM

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Q-flash plus allows flashback

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this mobo is non plus

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Gigabyte will take 3-7 days to respond to the ticket...And I have to get to a point where they are unable to do the update for me before amd will give me the kit

zenith sonnet Jul 12, 2019, 2:23 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cc0575/i_ported_fidelityfx_cas_to_reshade_so_anyone_can/

r/Amd - I ported FidelityFX CAS to ReShade so anyone can use it, w...

134 votes and 65 comments so far on Reddit

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That was quick

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Works on DX11

plush summit Jul 12, 2019, 2:27 AM

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XD

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but how good is the port

wheat plume Jul 12, 2019, 1:42 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190712_143830.png

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Is it bad that I want to get a Pixel phone just to have stock Android Q when it's released? Cause if my phone gets Q it'll look and act the same as it does rn cause MIUI tries to always look the same no matter the OS it's on

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 1:46 PM

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does anyone have more infos on the Flaretech Prism Switches ? and the requirements for the pcb design .. im aware you need an IR transmitter and a photo sensor

zenith sonnet Jul 12, 2019, 4:46 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GjSiLbCtHU

YouTube

Gamers Nexus

AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Review: Odd Man Out vs. 9700K, R5 3600, & 3900X

This review of the AMD R7 3700X CPU looks at its performance versus the Intel i7-9700K, AMD R5 3600, and AMD R9 3900X. Ad: Buy Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut (...

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Those charts suck

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There's more OCed SKUs in there than stock ones

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You don't even know what you're looking at

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 4:56 PM

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@digital cliff whats 100 micrmeter range .. its a emitter and a receiver .. nothing in any pcb has that tollerance not even traces 😃

zenith sonnet Jul 12, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Well, they also overclocked memory on the intel CPUs, so... grain of salt?

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 4:57 PM

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over the lense ya but i bet there is a give which i s the size of a 0204

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hmm

ashen spindle Jul 12, 2019, 4:57 PM

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they have less skus because they couldnt retest every old cpu with the latest windows patch for mitigations yet

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:07 PM

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100 microns is .1 mm

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A thousanth of an inch is a typical tolerance level for many processes, which is .0254 mm

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I can assure you that 100 micron tolerances are achieveable

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:11 PM

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achiveable yes but not nessesary for an ir emitter

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i may be wrong tho ill see once i frankenstein something out of a m1

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from the looks its a 0204 emitter and receiver

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at least on first glance

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the compenents move even more then 0.1 mm in the soldering process

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thats why i said its "unlikely"

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specialy at the cheap pricetag

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:14 PM

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The exact position of the two components probably affects the distance readings

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:16 PM

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the ir is bend inside the switch and based on how deep the prism allows more ir to pass throw even if thats the case - the first 1.5 mm are dead by switch design as much as i gattherd ..

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even if the distance is the big problem thats more a calibration problem i think

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ya tino about 4 hours ago i had no clue

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now im a bit more informed

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those are the halleffect ones ?

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Yes

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:18 PM

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meh .. i have halleffect ones here

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price tag and switchable switch

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oh ?

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now thats interresting ..

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whats the eta ?

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meh

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nah i get a m1 and see how much i can get out of it myself .. thanks so far

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Have fun I guess

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Lasers are a pain

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:21 PM

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its ir not a laser

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but ya

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:22 PM

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An infarred beam

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Is a laser

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Ah

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:23 PM

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a laser is focused .. with a lenses - here its light emitted and a prism allow some to pass

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the intensity is messured

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that gives you the analog reading

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for the adc

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which tells you activation and how deep its depressed

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thus .. light in light out - there is a teardown of a switch .. and good documentation about it - but ya not a laser .. still guided infra red

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:24 PM

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The emitter and receiver are both on the board?

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:24 PM

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yup

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both are under the lenses of the switch

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prism is on the plunger

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so it forms the "n" on connect

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as i said i had no idea about those switches when i asked - now im a litte better informed

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there are full teardowns off the switch on yt - very informative

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejHEhB_8WeI

YouTube

Chyrosran22

Teardown - Adomax Flaretech B / Wooting switches!

Today we look at the world's first analog optical keyboard switch, the Adomax Flaretech switch from the Wooting One! My keyboard reviews: http://bit.ly/1TbOt...

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earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:28 PM

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I could see position of the emitter and reciever changing the measured intensity quite a bit

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So I don't know I guess

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:28 PM

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not exactly since its wide band

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ya probably more component wise

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idk

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which should be bs because solderpaste drags the component in place anyway

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during reflow

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unless they swapped sensors

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nah they might swiched components

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Pcba should be pretty reliable..

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:31 PM

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pcba doesnt need to be spot on the components are dragged during reflow via surface tension

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:32 PM

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Bga chips and some components have contacts only a few thousands across

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:32 PM

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ya but nothing here is bga not for that price man 😃

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:32 PM

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.1 mm shift wouldn't be acceptable for pcba

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:32 PM

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and bga has 0.2 -0.3 tollerances

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they wobble all during reflow

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tbh its not my intension to prove anyone anything - i am interrested in the switch - and infos about it

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but the 0.1mm tollerence are just not economicaly specialy at the cheap pricepoint the unit sells

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but i can be wrong

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are against anything ive seen in my whole electronics carrier

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:39 PM

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I cant find information about pcba component tolerances

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:40 PM

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because there are non .. my suspection is the pcba picked it up on the sensor and it got dirty

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as long as its close by .. its fine

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the reflow process drags it in place

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bga are usualy 0.4 mm spaced ..

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during reflow it would settle on the next pad

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thats it if all balls melt at the same time - bga is a pain to beginn with

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but here componets are 0204 thats something you can still handsolder

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or hotair

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Well I'm curious to see how it works out when you try them

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:42 PM

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ya

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oh the angle makes sense ya

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but currious since lense placement and prism is inside .. and the whole guide is inside hows that effecing something outside the switch

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because ir in is a broadcaster

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its not like its focused .. its more like a light dimmer

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you get more ir when the prism is deeper

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and thats then converted via a adc i suspect

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Light intensity from a spherical source goes by the inverse square of distance, so at close distances it would be very sensitive to position variation

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:48 PM

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its not about the distance we are still talking 1.5 cm travel distance or 1.7 you think lasers

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but think lightbulb

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if you dimm a bulb you dont get a beam ether

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you get a lower lumen count

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:49 PM

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I know.

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If you are close to the blub the the intensity changes quickly when you move a small distance.

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:50 PM

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they are on oposit sites tho

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so there is at least 1 cm space between them

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well i know more once i get a w1 so i can take off the switch and do a pcb around it

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:51 PM

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The whole point is to measure distance

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:51 PM

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ya

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:51 PM

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The path just isn't a straight line

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:51 PM

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well for me the mesurement isnt that important

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its on or off ..

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i want it for steno

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so lower traveldistance

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for gamers that might matters - for my usecase not so much

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im happy with a logical 1 or 0 - but the switch has a 1.5 mm activation

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thats whats interresting to me

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:54 PM

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I'm sure calibration is needed regardless, the issue is probably when it's too far off to create signals in the right range

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That's a guess anyway

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:54 PM

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ya same here im just shooting in the blue i might be wrong all along and the placement is very very tight

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but well see

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:55 PM

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As long as you have fun and learn something haha

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:55 PM

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aye

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:56 PM

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I am a pretty noob mechanical engineer, but I'm better there, electrical is not my strong area

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:58 PM

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i have close to 0 idea about ME

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did cs/ee

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 5:58 PM

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The two fields have to work pretty close together a lot of the time

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ME and EE I mean

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 5:59 PM

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still at uni or already done ?

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 6:00 PM

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1 semester to go

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Interning over the summer though,

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And I might have a job lined up here too

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 6:00 PM

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see if you can do the master on the side while working

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worth it

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Personally I don't want to do any more school after my B.S.

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 6:02 PM

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y and close at 40 you want to go back there

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and hope you would have stayed longer

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37 here ^^

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Well

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If I don't even know what I would research for a masters+, not a good time for me to do it

restive elbow Jul 12, 2019, 6:03 PM

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fair enough

earnest osprey Jul 12, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Maybe I would later when I have some more field experience

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:03 PM

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@small gyro This in the full Wooting USB structure for the old firmware, on the new there are some changes.

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📎 Wooting_One.html

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

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@golden girder alright, so to summarize -- from what i've read, in order to implement nkro over usb "properly" (i.e. without "hacks" like multiple endpoints, etc.), one must use full-speed (because otherwise the response is too slow) along with the report (not boot) protocol of the usb hid standard

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

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The top of the report isn't sended directly on USB, it's just a device overview.

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:04 PM

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from what i've seen, the wooting seems to do this, but a lot of other keyboards don't unfortunately :(

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mhm, thanks for the report

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:05 PM

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You need USB 1.1 (Full Speed) because Low Speed only supports 8 bytes per report, not more not less. So you need at least Full, which is capable of 64 byte.

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:06 PM

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yes, exactly, so we agree on that. that's why i claimed that you can't really say that usb speed and/or report protocol have nothing to do with nkro

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that's exactly what nkro depends on

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:08 PM

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You only can't implement a proper nKRO keyboard on USB 1.0, but nobody uses it. USB 1.0 was quickly changed to USB 1.1.

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So forget about USB 1.0.

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:10 PM

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yes, indeed. the problem is that most manufacturers actually use low-speed connections and implement nkro over them using "hacks" like presenting the keyboard as multiple keyboards which are all used simultaneously to send keys, and sometimes even custom drivers/software

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:10 PM

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In therory you can implement a nKRO keyboard on USB 1.0 but only up to 64 keys.

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

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i'm not 100% sure about that. afaik, a report can be split into multiple usb transactions, so the fact that the limit is 8 bytes for low-speed shouldn't affect the possibility of implementing nkro for any number of keys

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Why would anyone uses Low Speed? No one uses it, even if you don't need or want 2.0 they should use 1.1.

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

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well i don't know. legacy + cost cutting? for example, my cheap logitech k120 uses low-speed (but it doesn't support nkro in the hardware sense even)

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Yes you can send multilpe reports, maybe I'm wrong, but how would the PC knows how the data is interpreted anymore? The PC can't differ the two bytes.

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

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this should all be handled by the usb standard. apparantely there's a way to chunk a single report (if it's bigger than 8 bytes) over multiple 8-byte transfers. i don't know the details, but i've read it's possible

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:15 PM

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It can't be the costs. I would think a USB 1.1 is much more expensive than a 2.0, because they aren't produced en masse.

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:15 PM

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that's true, which is why you use usb 2.0 controllers but fall back to low-speed mode of operation

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that way you avoid the "overhead/complications" of implementing the full hid standard (i.e. the report protocol)

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you just implement the boot protocol, slap on a hack for nkro (the multiple keyboards thing) and call it a day

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from the USB HID 1.11 standard

Packets
A USB unit of information: Multiple packets make up a transaction, multiple
transactions make up a transfer report.

Transaction
A device may send or receive a transaction every USB frame (1 millisecond). A
transaction may be made up of multiple packets (token, data, handshake) but is
limited in size to 8 bytes for low-speed devices and 64 bytes for high-speed
devices.

Transfer
One or more transactions creating a set of data that is meaningful to the device—
for example, Input, Output, and Feature reports. In this document, a transfer is
synonymous with a report.

Report
A data structure returned by the device to the host (or vice versa). Some devices
may have multiple report structures, each representing only a few items. For
example, a keyboard with an integrated pointing device could report key data
independently of pointing data on the same endpoint.

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i.e. 1 report == 1 transfer == N transactions (8 bytes per transaction for low-speed)

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:20 PM

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You don't save much, the HID report isn't that complicated to create. So if you know how to implement USB 1.0 it shouldn't be that problem to implement a proper USB 2.0 device.

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:21 PM

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that's what i would think as well at first, but it seems that's not the case. what other reason would there be for using hacks like multiple keyboard endpoints?

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:21 PM

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I must make a break here, I need to go back to my game. I will re-read it and look at my USB book again.

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:21 PM

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ok :D

golden girder Jul 12, 2019, 10:22 PM

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Multilple boot keyboard would help with KVM switches or other things which can only understand the boot HID protocol.

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A KVM switch don't look into the HID report at all, like the BIOS. It just sees the boot flag. So every keyboard manufacor needs to implement the correct HID report if the uses the boot flag. Otherwise the BIOS registers wrong inputs.

The OS can understand the HID reports, but typically BIOS can't.

small gyro Jul 12, 2019, 10:25 PM

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right, that might be a good point, but i doubt that's the primary reason why they've used the hack

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for example, here's a post from hn that i managed to find, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7360055

phaker

It's not just that. USB nkro keyboards can fail in several interesting ways, so they earned a bad reputation. Paradoxically the hacks that work around the standard (e.g. a keyboard reports as several devices behind a usb hub) are more reliable, so many keyboards use that inst...

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he mentions that a lot of the problems come from driver/os bugs

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he mentions that a low-speed nkro implementation is possible, but will fail on buggy oses

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a similar thing is mentioned here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37567.msg717750#msg717750, where soarer talks about how slow such an implementation would be because of the response time

6KRO or NKRO over USB? Any pros/cons?

golden girder Jul 13, 2019, 1:26 AM

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@small gyro

Any mordern OS supports nKRO with a proper HID report describtor, I bet. I don't know any which can't interpret it. But most of the BIOS versions don't support them. Both posts which you are mentioned are very old, so they are most likely invalid nowadays...
As soon as the BIOS sees the boot flag it expect that the keyboard interface is the normal 6KRO one, it don't even look into the report describtor at all. So every keyboard interface with the boot flag must follow the standard 6KRO report.
The OS looks into the report describtor and handle the keyboard interface appropriatly. Even the Wooting uses a trick, on the boot interface the count values are zero so the OS don't react to it. Otherwise you would register the inputs two times, one from each keyboard interface.
The keyboard tells the host which USB protocol it uses. So it must support the necessary describtors and the features are limited to that version and max speed.
I was wrong, the bus speed is different than the USB protocol version which is used and depends on the chip.
The report value can be indeed larger that the packet size. So it should possible to create a nKRO keyboard interface on a low speed device, but this isn't practical due to the big delay on the slow connection I guess, that you already mentioned.

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So the Wooting uses a USB 2.0 chip in the full speed configuration and has a true nKRO keyboard interface with one bit for each key (and don't uses multiple 6KRO ones).

zenith sonnet Jul 13, 2019, 1:38 AM

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I need a 4k monitor

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And probably a 5700 XT

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Upscaled image with RIS looks better than native 4k

ashen spindle Jul 13, 2019, 1:46 AM

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vvThink eeeer

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not sure how that would be a thing

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oh and the first navi 14 gpus have been leaked, aka what will probably be a 5600 card

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since I dont see nvidia changing the 16 series at all some good cards from amd there should help getting some more marketshare

zenith sonnet Jul 13, 2019, 1:59 AM

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RIS enhances image quality
And in some cases enough that an upscaled image will look better than native 4k
Of course, 4k + RIS takes the crown

pale sigil Jul 13, 2019, 2:03 AM

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📎 Screenshot_2019-07-13-03-02-50-785_com.mi.android.globallauncher.png

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I like this change

ashen spindle Jul 13, 2019, 2:03 AM

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I kinda want a phone_talk channel so we can keep the topics here interesting vvSmug

ashen spindle Jul 13, 2019, 2:28 AM

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also radeon 7 is end of life so maybe top end navi soon-ish too? rooThinkingNut

karmic grail Jul 13, 2019, 2:31 AM

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📎 IMG_20190712_203341__01.jpg

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Fellas what can I do to get better cable management

ashen spindle Jul 13, 2019, 2:31 AM

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uhhhh

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hard to say without seeing where the cables need to go

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wireless cables would be something vvKb

karmic grail Jul 13, 2019, 2:32 AM

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uhh

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📎 IMG_20190712_203449__01.jpg

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Basically every cable is behind the shroud on the top right

ashen spindle Jul 13, 2019, 2:33 AM

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uhh that is tricky

karmic grail Jul 13, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Yea

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The 24pin, 8pin and sata power is all there

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Only the 8+6pin pcie is hanging out the front

zenith sonnet Jul 13, 2019, 2:43 AM

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If Vega doesn't get RIS goodness natively in the driver I'm gonna be sad

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Also, I think it's because Apple buys all the VIIs to use in their workstations

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So, AMD has no ledtovers any more

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Plus, they might not be able to drop the price of the card, and it isn't competitive vs the 5700 XT, which performs better than expected, or the 2070 Super, or the 2080 Super that's supposed to still arrive

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AiB 5700 XTs might be able to reach VII performance

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Since it's largely limited by thermals

ashen spindle Jul 13, 2019, 2:51 AM

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yea but amd also said you cant change tables with software for navi

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though GN just mentioned it does work, so I'm curious if that was just a unintended thing on reference cards and it will be locked on aib? who knows

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and yea I forgot apple uses them now

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also I noticed after going back through all the super reviews, a lot of times the 2080 super is mentioned casually, yet nvidia hasnt mentioned it at all yet, despite the release date to apparently be the 23rd

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you can even preorder some AiB 80 supers on some sites, but not on the nvidia site yet lmao and no date is attached

zenith sonnet Jul 13, 2019, 4:36 AM

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It's probably underwhelming

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The 'super' so far meant nothing more then 'slight bump up'

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I mean, the 2070 Supers are technically defuct 2080's that didn't make binning and have probably been accumulating

And another 4 cores and 50 MHz won't take the 2080 Super to a new level

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We're now at the point where we call a release that sets us 10% ahead of last gen 'Super'
Quite silly, if you ask me

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At least Navi brought something new

feral jolt Jul 13, 2019, 4:56 AM

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2080 super has that super vram tho

small gyro Jul 13, 2019, 7:37 AM

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@golden girder that's exactly what i wanted to know, thanks for the confirmation! right, oses today almost certainly support the hid report protocol properly, but for some reason (1) certain keyboards still implement nkro in a hacky way (and i have no idea why one would do that; laziness, etc.?) and (2) even if a keyboard implements nkro properly it isn't really easy to confirm that fact (i.e. it is almost never advertised).

i guess it's quite a technical detail so i can understand why (2) rarely happens. so far only the cooler master cm storm quick fire pro advertised the fact that it uses usb 2.0 with a full-speed connection (and supposedly implements the hid report protocol). however, i still like to know these details in order to be sure the keyboard will work everywhere, hopefully. thanks! :D

zenith sonnet Jul 13, 2019, 11:24 AM

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@digital cliff Whatchu need it for?

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Why specifically a G600?

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Granted, I loved everything about it other than the sensor

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I noticed that it wasn't flawless after a few years of using one

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Used a G502 for an hour and could never go back

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Now I'm on a GPW and miss all my buttons 😦

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Lemme see if I can find it

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Later though, got'sa go

golden girder Jul 13, 2019, 1:34 PM

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@small gyro You need a boot keyboard interface if you want to use it in the BIOS. Because of that some keyboards have a switch to toggle the mode for BIOS support or nKRO.
Like I wrote the Wooting uses a trick so only one keyboard interface is active and not both at the same time.

reef patrol Jul 13, 2019, 3:49 PM

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blobfacepalm

I really need to bake a proper installer for my PC. So many psot install tweaks.

fallow bison Jul 13, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Is there any way to cluster install all programs? Like ninite but for all installers

reef patrol Jul 13, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Probably

pale sigil Jul 13, 2019, 3:52 PM

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there are enterprise based tools out there

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other than that it has to be done via scripts

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i used to have one for work that i made as i used to set up a lot of laptops

fallow bison Jul 13, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Well won't some installers interfere?

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As they sometimes mention that another program is being installed, retry later

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Or is there a flag for that?

wheat plume Jul 13, 2019, 5:43 PM

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"The Cholesterol Free desktop environment"

📎 Screenshot_20190713_184240.png

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😂

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Freaking hell Slackware, why you calling it that? IM DYING xdd

earnest osprey Jul 13, 2019, 5:47 PM

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lmao

wheat plume Jul 13, 2019, 5:48 PM

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You know this running gag with KDE naming all their software with a K somewhere in the name is getting out of hand when you have a golf game called "Kolf"

earnest osprey Jul 13, 2019, 5:50 PM

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kolf

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yes

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brilliant

wheat plume Jul 13, 2019, 5:57 PM

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😂

wheat plume Jul 13, 2019, 10:00 PM

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I just found out about SUDO

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if you run a command and forget to type sudo at the start, you can just type "SUDO" onto the terminal and itll run the last command as sudo

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:PP

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"Order bash to do things by shouting"

reef patrol Jul 13, 2019, 10:01 PM

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😄

wheat plume Jul 13, 2019, 10:01 PM

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https://youtu.be/oMiEENQiVb8

YouTube

Average Linux User

SUDO: another fun program? 🤔

SUDO is a program that allows to run any Linux command as a superuser by typing it in CAPITAL letters. It is not only fun, but it also can save you some ener...

▶ Play video

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I love this 😂

📎 Screenshot_20190713_230357.png

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oh, its a tiny script that is put into your .bashrc file

neat!!

📎 Screenshot_20190713_230455.png

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Can I ask a question? I feel dumb for asking it too but I am not able to figure it out 😅

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:05 AM

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I dunno, can you ask it? pepeXd

pale sigil Jul 14, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Mate this is tech talk

plush summit Jul 14, 2019, 12:08 AM

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Oops

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Thqnks callum

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:09 AM

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So I’m running a 144hz monitor, and everything like my game, computer, and monitor all day they are running at 144hz but it doesn’t look like it’s running at 144 it looks like it’s like 45fps not the full 144.

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I can’t seem to figure out what’s up with it.

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:10 AM

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https://www.testufo.com try this

Blur Busters TestUFO Motion Tests. Benchmark for monitors & displays.

Blur Busters UFO Motion Tests with ghosting test, 30fps vs 60fps vs 120hz vs 144hz vs 240hz, PWM test, motion blur test, judder test, benchmarks, and more.

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should auto detect your monitors refreshrate and display things at different fps, so you can see if you see a difference or not

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:13 AM

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It shows it’s running fine on that, is it just the game maybe?

fallow bison Jul 14, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Try a different game

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See if it persists

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:13 AM

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limit your fps to 60 and then unlock it again and see if you notice a difference

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:17 AM

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It doesn’t seem to be doing it in other games just Apex Legends

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:30 AM

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I mean if it shows 144+fps and your monitor works how would that work? maybe it is just tearing or frame stuttering?

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:34 AM

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I’m really not sure what the problem is 😅

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:38 AM

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but it is running at 144+ and in fullscreen? do you have a second monitor

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:39 AM

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I do

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:39 AM

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also 144?

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:39 AM

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No it’s a 75hz monitor

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:39 AM

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try running it and turn the off the second monitor

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:43 AM

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Still did not fix it😕

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:45 AM

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well all I can think of is that you might just imagine it then? or have some really low 0.1% frametimes but stable 144fps average

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:46 AM

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Someone else was joking around saying I just need to upgrade to a 240hz 😂

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This is probably a dumb question but how would really low 0.1% frametimes cause the issue?

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:52 AM

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well it would give you a similar feeling because it's not a continues smooth experience

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are you using a gsynch/freesynch monitor?

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:53 AM

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G-sync yes, I tried turning that on earlier thinking it might help but I didn’t see any difference

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What would be causing the low 0.1% frametimes?

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:54 AM

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well idk much about apex, but it might just be more prone to have that in general, or maybe plays bad with your cpu/gpu

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could try setting every single graphic option to minimum and see if you still feel like its low fps?

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:55 AM

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I’m running an i7 8700 and an RTX 2070 and I’ve got everything set at low. I figured it should be running fine.

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:56 AM

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hrm that should be fine yea

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 12:56 AM

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I know a bunch of people say apex doesn’t like the rtx cards, I’m not really sure why though

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Am I probably just imagining it then? 😅

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 12:59 AM

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look up some rtx benchmarks for apex if they mention anything

visual sapphire Jul 14, 2019, 1:01 AM

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Ok thank you 😊 hopefully I’ll find something 😄

feral jolt Jul 14, 2019, 2:23 AM

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I was playing the witcher 3 and have to limit the framerate at 60 if I want the ultra settings

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Stutters like shit at unlimited

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 2:25 AM

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true forgot about that, might want to limit it to 144/120 if you have it on unlimited and see issues

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for source games it was monitorHz*2-1 iirc for desired fps, but not sure if it applies to the source version they use, and I doubt you can get that constantly in apex anyway lmao

latent mural Jul 14, 2019, 2:47 AM

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I now this may sound dumb, try using the graphics settings.

In Siege, I get worse results running the lowest settings vs medium and I'm running 8700k and 2080ti.

feral jolt Jul 14, 2019, 3:45 AM

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unfortunately witcher is stupid and the options are 30, 60, or unlimited

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 3:54 AM

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yea thats a console game for ya

feral jolt Jul 14, 2019, 4:20 AM

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its pretty well done for a console port

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it doesnt require cs:go reflexes so 60 is tolerable

earnest osprey Jul 14, 2019, 4:22 AM

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I can tell you that high refresh doesn't save me in shooters haha

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I'm that bad

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 12:34 PM

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Set to unlimited and use RTSS to cap the framerate to 141

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Turn off vsync and similar options

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 2:55 PM

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I love this screen recorder ❤

📎 Screenshot_20190714_155531.png

pale sigil Jul 14, 2019, 3:10 PM

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Stuff like this makes me wish ShareX was on Linux

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Linux on this bad boy though https://youtu.be/gpjrbHFv_dA

YouTube

Linus Tech Tips

The SMALLEST No-Compromises Laptop

To take advantage of the Amazon Prime offer, go to https://www.audible.com/linus or text linus to 500 500 Sign up for Private Internet Access VPN at https://...

▶ Play video

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Their reviewer policies though...

pale sigil Jul 14, 2019, 3:15 PM

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Aye

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Oo

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I saw that video but wasn't interested

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Linux? Lemme watch

pale sigil Jul 14, 2019, 3:17 PM

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I was saying basically put Linux on it

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And it would be great

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Ohhhhhhhhhh

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Right

delicate osprey Jul 14, 2019, 3:27 PM

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@wheat plume what is that shell 'shell'? i like the look of the prompt line

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 3:27 PM

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One sec
Lemme see if I can find it again

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It's powershell for bash but a very specific one of that

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https://github.com/b-ryan/powerline-shell

GitHub

b-ryan/powerline-shell

A beautiful and useful prompt for your shell. Contribute to b-ryan/powerline-shell development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Idk how to change theme

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I don't like this default one

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It sucks on dark background

delicate osprey Jul 14, 2019, 3:32 PM

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thanks

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 3:32 PM

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Just installed RIS' CAS via reshade

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 3:32 PM

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~~no idea wtf that means~~

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 3:32 PM

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And damn

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Radeon Image Sharpening is a new feature since the latest update
AMD released their contrast adaptive sharpening filter as open source
And some guys ported it to Reshade

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 3:35 PM

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Reminds me of what MIUI does on phones when you are in direct sunlight

It makes the contrast higher if the screen is already in full brightness and it's still a bit too dark

delicate osprey Jul 14, 2019, 3:37 PM

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anyone have any experience creating a macOS image (configured with certain packages and applications) and deploying it (to 12 identical machines)?

pale sigil Jul 14, 2019, 4:36 PM

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@wheat plume hoping to snag an SSD on prime day for Linux

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cos screw grub

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 4:38 PM

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whats wrong with GRUB?

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It always has, I dont need to mess with it on my PC though cause I do not want to duel boot on this

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I am forced to duel boot on my laptop ;-;

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 4:39 PM

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welcome to the club of everything computer related lol

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 4:39 PM

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for that bitch of a lecturer

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hmm....

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but why does getting an SSD fix that?

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oh

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also, what intel CPU would a ryzen 5 compare to?

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 4:41 PM

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for what usage

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 4:41 PM

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anyone know how to update a dell BIOS on Linux? Or is it possible to put an Open source BIOS on my PC?

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there is open source bios tho

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PureOS has one

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possibly

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-.- but Librem have it on their laptops and those are modern

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 4:47 PM

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what ryzen 5 and compared to what, price, performance etc.

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Better than Dell.....I am sure ?

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Fair enough ;-;

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yeh no thanks

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this PC is as old as I wanna go with hardware ://

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This crappy non upgradable PC

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this a good price? https://www.komplett.ie/paradigit-gaming-advanced-9400f-rtx2060/80053390/product/9641

Paradigit Gaming Advanced 9400F RTX2060 | Komplett

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If I bought an extra 8GB RAM stick with it

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:02 PM

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feels expensive to me but I dunno what prices are normally like there

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surely building one is cheaper than that

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:03 PM

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it says 1099 but not what currency rooBlank

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Ireland still sells laptops with 4GB RAM, slow hard drive and 1367*768 screens in them for 400-700 euro range

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Euro is the currency

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:03 PM

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I assumed euro

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Yeh

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:03 PM

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so that's like 1200 usd which is like double what I'd expect

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:04 PM

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for that GPU?

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:04 PM

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I mean the 2060 is 300

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:04 PM

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yah

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Komplett is in IRELAND as well?

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:04 PM

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315 for the cheapest on pcpp

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:04 PM

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They have an irish division of it yeh

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it seems fairly cheap to buy parts on their own

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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obviously you don't want the $19 500 gb ssd I used for a low reference but still seems high

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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and definetly the cheapest prebuilts from any irish website

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Here's my take on prebuilts like the one linked further up. If it's more than a 100$ more than doing it yourself, they're expensive.

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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which is sad if yall are saying this is expensive af

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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300 for the cpu, 150 for the cpu

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Biggest risk with these machines is bad/cheap motherboards and PSUs.

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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The other website I looked at a while ago had a prebuilt for 2300 with a 980 in it

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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Honestly paying someone to build one for you is generally a lot better overall - not neccessarily cheaper though

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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and an , at the time, core i5 7th gen

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:05 PM

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So why aren't you building your own?

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:06 PM

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cause me + expensive shit = bad

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:06 PM

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or just buy a list from an online store that charges for putting it together

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:06 PM

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and I dont have enough money to rebuy parts that break

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:06 PM

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still cheaper

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:06 PM

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computer parts are surprisingly tough from my experience

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that's what RMA is for 😂

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:06 PM

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yeh but I have a fear of touching the boards and whatnot

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Or shop around in local computer stores - See if they can make you a deal on a PC built to order.

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 PM

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even tho I know most curcuit boards dont care if they are touched

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nah, they wont

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Don't go rubbing your feet on carpet and you'll be fine

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Local stores here sell laptops with the crappy specs I said above for 800 euro -.-

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they aint going to build you one

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 PM

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😫

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 PM

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you could also ask a local store to assemble it for idk 50 bucks if you give them the parts for

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:07 PM

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I hate ireland

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tech is madly expensive

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even phones

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no wonder so many people in ireland have shitty samsung phones

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:08 PM

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Anyhow - Prices aside (Can't really comment on those. Lot of competition in Denmark) the 9400F is a solid gaming CPU, and you can't go wrong with a 2060.

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 PM

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ahhh, I see :DD

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but the fact it has one ram slot concerns me 🤔

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Oh a single stick of RAM? Yeah that can cause drops in FPS in some games. Not all though

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190714_181000.png

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:09 PM

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idk if I'd say that if you can get a 3600 with an old mobo for almost a similar price

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:10 PM

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That has to be a phrasing mistake. NEVER seen a motherboard with a single DIMM slot. They must mean it's just a single stick, which is common for these.

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:10 PM

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prices for zen+ are also pretty good right now I'd guess

crimson wigeon Jul 14, 2019, 5:10 PM

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To me that looks more like a single stick which seems like a bad idea if you want performance

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:10 PM

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but the PC itself should have more slots?

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Yeah. Typically 2 with these, often 4.

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Hard to tell, since they intentionally don't mention specific parts - to allow for changes depending on their stock.

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:11 PM

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oooh, thats good then, get an extra 8GB stick with it

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:13 PM

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im fairly certain if you just put something together on like mindfactory ,add shipping and costs for assembling the pc you still get a better deal than that pc

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:14 PM

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even newegg ireland seems the same or slightly less for actual parts we know names of

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:15 PM

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newegg is ireland???

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hang on lemme see that

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:15 PM

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be weird if it let me choose ireland as an area otherwise

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:15 PM

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some websites do that just to get the currency correct

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:16 PM

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so why offer the currency if they won't let you order

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:16 PM

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idk

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no gaming desktop?

📎 Screenshot_20190714_181651.png

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:17 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/global/ie-en/Gaming-Desktops/SubCategory/ID-3742

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that works for me

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:17 PM

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oo

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I shall check this

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are IBUYPOWER reliable?

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:18 PM

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not terrible, not amazing

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:18 PM

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they don't catch on fire to my knowledge

crimson wigeon Jul 14, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I know that name from some of the esports I've watched that used computers from them, I remember them earning the name "IBUYPAUSES" because of the constant problems

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that was years ago tho

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:19 PM

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ibuypower are legit. Not stellar but legit.

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:19 PM

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nah the old CS ibuypower team got banned for matchfixing, but doesnt really have anything to do with the company

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:19 PM

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If you're in the US/CA, NZXT's BLD service is also pretty decent. Again not stellar though

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I hate AMD's naming scheme for their GPU's :// IDK what is the most powerful and whatnot

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at least nvida go up in numbers and it is clear what one is better than the next

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 PM

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It can be a bit of a jungle for sure 😄

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 PM

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like 1660

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?

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 PM

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well....yeh those are confusing -.-

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 PM

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which is worse than the 1080

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gpu names just suck

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 PM

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is a Vega 8 good??

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 PM

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compared to what? integrated? sure

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 PM

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well it's quite uniqe :p

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Vega 8 is just a name. Not a specific model.
The AMD 2200G has a Vega 8 😄

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:21 PM

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what nvida would it compare to?

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oh...

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right

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Something like a 1030, if it's on the 2200G.

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:21 PM

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it is on this PC

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:22 PM

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It's not a bad chip - It'll do something like Farcry at 30-60FPS at 720P and Overwatch at 60fps 720P

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Definitely not a gaming chip though.-

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:22 PM

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🤔

📎 Screenshot_20190714_182318.png

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:22 PM

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I say spend half your budget or more on your gpu if you're planning to game

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:23 PM

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1650 is a bad card. Low end.

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:23 PM

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what happened to 1k 😛

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now we're at 550

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:23 PM

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boi, I have a gtx860m

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ANYTHING is better 😂

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:23 PM

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ehhhhh

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:24 PM

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I am on page 6 sorting in lowest price to high LOL

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if I can get it cheaper I will

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:24 PM

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set a goal of what you want in terms of performance and a budget then go from there

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:25 PM

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I am hoping Insurgency Sandstorm will come out on Linux, I wanna be able to play that cause I know for a fact my PC cannot currently

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:25 PM

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I have a pcpp list for a system that costs 990, if I set it to ireland it's 1170 lmao

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so erm, buy it from outside lmao

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:26 PM

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what specs?

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also I will need two hdmi outputs on the system too

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:26 PM

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https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/njsB8Y

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:26 PM

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i want to use my previous monitor beside my current one

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wtf are palit?

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:27 PM

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I wouldnt recommend every part on it, I just slapped something together with ok prices in ireland

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:27 PM

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this looks really good tho!!

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:27 PM

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a company

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:27 PM

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I have never heard of these GPU before

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:28 PM

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they are not in the us so reviewers basically never cover them much

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:28 PM

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pcpp is telling me there is compatibility errors

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hmm I must check those

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:29 PM

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yes its an older board, just needs a bios update, so you need an older ryzen chip, or ask the vendor to update bios before sending it

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:29 PM

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I am sure the BIOS on this PC is way too out of date by now

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;-;

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I only use it when I need to boot from USB tho

crimson wigeon Jul 14, 2019, 5:30 PM

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While modern UEFIs do a lot it doesn't really matter if they haven't been updated in years

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:30 PM

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well, in the case of supporting new CPUs it does :p but yeah otherwise not really important

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but again, buy something outside ireland, pay the 50 shipping cost or whatever and you still save money lmao

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:31 PM

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and import fees of 23% -.-

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 PM

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time to move!

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 PM

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^^^^

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hurray for not being able to afford it ;-; and my bf doesnt have a place of his own yet either

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AGGGHHH ;-;

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:32 PM

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yeah, kick him out and you'll save a ton of money

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:34 PM

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😄

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:34 PM

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idk how to change a part on these lists without it starting a blank list for me

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wait.....

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im dumb nvm

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there is a button at the top =-.-

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 5:35 PM

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blobdance

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:35 PM

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it only shows AMD CPU ;s

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:35 PM

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need to uncheck compability thing

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because it has a am4 mobo listed already

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so it only shows compatible cpus

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:36 PM

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ah

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core i5-7400 for 217 euro?

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 5:37 PM

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intel is expensive

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and they seem to get moreso the older they get a lot of times

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:37 PM

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my hosts file is broken with this version of Spotify ;-;

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it wont play songs I have not played before

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and some I have wont play either

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The bad reviews of this PC and revolve around this CPU having issues with Windows 10

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I wonder does it have issues with Linux too 🤔

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:45 PM

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bit hard to tell if all you give us about it is "this pc" :p

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:46 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/global/ie-en/abs-computer-technologies-warrior-ala111/p/N82E16883102722

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:48 PM

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wonder if all the bad reviews got the same pc that the others sent back pepeXd

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but looks like PSU issues for most

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:49 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190714_184930.png

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📎 Screenshot_20190714_184945.png

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????

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same PC

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same page

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:50 PM

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ctrl+f 2060 gives me 0 results rooThink

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I used the "Search within" box at the top

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📎 Screenshot_20190714_185118.png

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:51 PM

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https://gyazo.com/6974a61c95c15a689e9d601d6647f071

Gyazo

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 5:51 PM

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How do I de-RGB the fans? this is obnoxious

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📎 Screenshot_20190714_185228.png

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brb :///

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 5:52 PM

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use other fans, some fans allow rgb control via software/hardware, for some you can just not plug in some parts of it

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for some you cant really do much against it

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or use a case without glass rooSip

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prob cheaper anyway

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open air case costs less pepeXd

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aka piece of wood you put below stuff

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Most cheap cases have a simple remote that changes between some presets. More expensive ones can simply have their RGB unplugged, or you can set a specific static colour.

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 6:47 PM

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I found a host file that works with the spotify I have

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yayyy

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oo and discord integration works again!

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📎 Screenshot_20190714_194939.png

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well damn.........

📎 Screenshot_20190714_195445.png

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the ads dont show, but the area they do does ://

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 6:57 PM

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you get ads on discord? rooWut

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 6:58 PM

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yup, but they are blocked with this hosts file, but where they would show up still appears -.-

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 6:58 PM

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... why do you even get ads on discord

pale sigil Jul 14, 2019, 6:59 PM

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discord doesn't run ads....

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 6:59 PM

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no no , not on discord

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on spotify

pale sigil Jul 14, 2019, 7:00 PM

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@wheat plume they have battled against the ads

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for spotify

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they block you now

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if you block them IPs

latent mural Jul 14, 2019, 7:05 PM

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glorious 15.6" 4k downscaling to 1080 gaming

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<picture not yet available>
this thing is so hot i bet the hotglue that's supporting the gpu melted again

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:06 PM

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I made the cache file unwritable, I heard that works

latent mural Jul 14, 2019, 7:09 PM

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you know what removes ads on spotify? paying for it

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:09 PM

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I cant use my 3pay card on spotify, it doesnt like it -.- and I dont have another card I can use

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and anyway, I never have enough money on that card cause they take 2 euro from each month that you dont use it :/

latent mural Jul 14, 2019, 7:11 PM

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many banks just take a fixed amount for a card per year, around 20 euro and the account is free as long as you have at least ~10-20 euro on it per year

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:12 PM

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not this card, they take a certain amount of money for inactivity

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idk the exact amount but 2 euro was missing last time I checked

latent mural Jul 14, 2019, 7:12 PM

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why do you have a card like that

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get a debit card

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:13 PM

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I got this when I didnt have a bank account, but I have a savings account now, so I dont want to withdraw from that one until I need to take it all out

latent mural Jul 14, 2019, 7:13 PM

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that's nice and all but you should really get a debit card

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and live in 2019

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:14 PM

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yeh yeh

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even if I wanted to use google pay, I cant cause barely anywhere here supports it

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YAY FOR IRELAND WOOOOOTT

latent mural Jul 14, 2019, 7:15 PM

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saving accounts are a scam anyway

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:15 PM

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better than leaving a large pile of money in my bedroom

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in a safe with only one key

latent mural Jul 14, 2019, 7:16 PM

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you might as well just have a regular account

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and withdraw as you please

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:16 PM

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True

latent mural Jul 14, 2019, 7:16 PM

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the % you get are ridiculous minus tax

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and you have to wait to get it

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buy 30 shares of amd then sell it, you've now made more money than 10 years of a savings account

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and the tax will probably be smaller which adds to the insult

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:18 PM

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O.o

earnest osprey Jul 14, 2019, 7:25 PM

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Im pretty sure the main point of a savings account is to just

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Hold your money somewhere.

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:25 PM

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yup

earnest osprey Jul 14, 2019, 7:26 PM

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The small interest bonus is just a nice incentive to try to get you to use theirs over others

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:30 PM

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@wheat plume I think that prebuilt you linked is a bad offer

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Yeah, me too looking at the cost of the CPU and GPU

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:31 PM

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It even has just a single RAM stick

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Shows they went all the way to save every penny building this...

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:32 PM

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mm

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What about this one then? https://www.komplett.ie/lenovo-legion-t530-28icb-90jl005umh/80051281/product/9641

Lenovo Legion T530-28ICB - 90JL005UMH | Komplett

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:35 PM

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Well, depends on budget and performance target, but best price/perf you can get atm is a Ryzen 3600 and a 5700

That one is quite a downgrade, particularly the GPU

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:35 PM

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I think the most demanding game I will have will either be Insurgency Sandstorm (IF that will be out on Linux later this year) and also Minecraft with dem shaders boiizzz

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cause most games i have cant stay above 60FPS on this new monitor

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:36 PM

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get a 3600 and whatever gpu you can get within your budget and you're good to go

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:37 PM

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thanks DDG.......

📎 Screenshot_20190714_203742.png

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:37 PM

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200 msrp

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:38 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190714_203836.png

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:39 PM

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3600 is the best bang for buck processor by a decent margin atm

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:39 PM

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guess thats why its not available -.-

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:39 PM

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It just released 7 days ago

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:39 PM

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oo

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Already had 2% market share according to some website

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:39 PM

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woah

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:40 PM

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Ryzen 3000 sells like fresh waffles

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:40 PM

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I guess any AM4 mobo could work with this?

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:40 PM

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get a b450, msi gaming plus is cheap and good

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:40 PM

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It comes with a decent boxed cooler, and will work with B450

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:42 PM

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so, I guess I dont need the 3600x version ,it seems to only be a 0.2 speed increase for an extra 56 euro :/

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:42 PM

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yes, 3600

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:42 PM

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3600X doesn't make much sense

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:43 PM

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so that is €328 for the CPU + Mobo

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:43 PM

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50€ more gets you a 3700X with 2 more cores, if you need something faster than the 3600

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:43 PM

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what

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what mobo are you looking at

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:43 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190714_204146.png

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:43 PM

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get an m version or so, you can get them for 70 or so

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:44 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190714_204502.png

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:45 PM

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https://www.logicalincrements.com/
Btw, this site doesn't cover all the hardware, but it's a decent guide

Logical Increments, the PC Builder\'s Friend

Logical Increments, the PC Builder's Friend

Building a PC? These are the parts to get.

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They also list the MSI B450M Gaming Plus as a starting point for AM4 boards

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They haven't listed the 3600 yet, because there have only been 2 reviews by the time it was updated last

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:47 PM

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this website doesnt have the M variant

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:48 PM

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MSI B450-A Pro
ASRock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming K4

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One of those?

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Otherwise, I'd say go with any B450 board selecting by price and features

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VRM design is the biggest difference between the cheaper and more expensive models
And ANY B450 will handle the 3600 just fine

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:49 PM

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I go with the gaming plus then...cause idk what the tomahawk version is and its the same price

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:49 PM

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I'd look at other sites bc you can get them for 70euro online

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 7:50 PM

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I'd sell you one of mine, but I suspect shipping would kill any savings. 😦

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:50 PM

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yeh :/

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 7:51 PM

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At least that has been the challenge with me selling parts to Quinn. It has to be fairly lightweight and worth a bit to save us anything. Denmark charges hilarious prices for shipping abroad - even within the EU

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:51 PM

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This is the high end of B450:
MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC

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See it recommended a lot

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Goes for 123€ on mindfactory

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:52 PM

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no need for high end b450 with a 3600

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:52 PM

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I know
It still does have a few more features

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Agreed - You only really need a high end B450 for overclocking.

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:52 PM

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i found another irish site, its more expensive that komplett :/

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:52 PM

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Even when you don't need the better VRMs

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:52 PM

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gaming plus and tomahawk are both very usable

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 7:53 PM

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You may want to spend a bit more than the cheapest ones though, if only for better port support

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Steer clear of TUF.

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:53 PM

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https://www.custompc.ie/msi-b450m-gaming-plus-motherboard-socket-am4-micro-atx-amd-b450.html_custom_gaming_pcs_ireland?fee=7&fep=31357

Custompcparts.ie

MSI B450M GAMING PLUS motherboard Socket AM4 Micro ATX AMD B450

AMD B450, AM4, 2x DDR4, 1x PCIe 3.0 x16, 2x PCIe 2.0 x1, DVI-D, HDMI 1.4, USB 3.1, LAN, Micro-ATX, 244x210 mm

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98

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Wow

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Ireland has terrible hardware prices

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:53 PM

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10 euro saving

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Worth ordering from the UK?

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:54 PM

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hmm, idk , maybe if I could use my aunts UK adress

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90 euro from amazon UK

reef patrol Jul 14, 2019, 7:55 PM

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blobthinkingglare

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Maybe that board in particular has bad availability in the UK?

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:55 PM

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for the gaming plus model

ashen spindle Jul 14, 2019, 7:55 PM

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nah same pc on pcpp is just 200euros more in ireland compared to my prices

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its all just more

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dunno about uk

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Huh

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That sucks

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:56 PM

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wanna see the stupid prices they sell laptops at here? go to the laptops section of the harvey normans website 😂

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Do you need a GPU soon, or can you wait till mid-August?

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:57 PM

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idk when I can afford to buy one

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i am not sure if I can spend money or not right now

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I may not be able to

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:57 PM

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I see

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:57 PM

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also, there is no point buying just a GPU, I need a whole new PC

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:57 PM

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Cause I'd say wait for the Sapphire 5700 Nitro

wheat plume Jul 14, 2019, 7:58 PM

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oh?

zenith sonnet Jul 14, 2019, 7:58 PM

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AiB designs for the 5700 will start to appear in August
Reference design it's available for 350€ atm

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German prices, though

timid chasm Jul 14, 2019, 9:15 PM

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could always go used too if they have decent prices there. It's a gamble sometimes but has always worked out well for me

fickle ore Jul 15, 2019, 9:12 AM

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which is the best AIB brand for AMD GPU? Sapphire?

delicate osprey Jul 15, 2019, 9:13 AM

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sapphire nitro/pulse have been best for vega

fickle ore Jul 15, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Great

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Liquid metal on GPU good idea?

delicate osprey Jul 15, 2019, 9:14 AM

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if you don't fuck it up :p

fickle ore Jul 15, 2019, 9:14 AM

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The cooler needs to be nickel plated copper but yeah

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hopefully sapphire has

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I won't, just some dielectric grease or electric tape around the die

delicate osprey Jul 15, 2019, 9:16 AM

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god why are fast 16gb dimms so expensive

fickle ore Jul 15, 2019, 9:17 AM

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Btw anyone want to test NVIDIA's anti lag in the form of beta driver for W10 20H1, here's link to 435.27 https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/geforce-435-27.426931/. Installed fine on my W10 1903 (non insider) and working just fine. There's a option called "lowest latency" in the driver which is new

guru3D Forums

Geforce 435.27

For insaiders Windows 10
anyone can provide link?

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It's a 3rd party upload so I cannot vouch for the safety