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#🔌│tech
feral jolt
i just realized
that AMD is launching their 7nm CPU's and GPU's
on July 7
7/7
7 nm
it all makes sense
AMD is so 
earnest osprey
It took you this long?
timid chasm
I'm ready for the embargo release
zenith sonnet
The world is gonna change tomorrow
feral jolt
i cant wait to see the benchmarks
still cave
any of you guys had an issue when you download logitech g hub for the first time and it doesnt start?
i keep ttrying to find ways to fix this but nothing works
zenith sonnet
Nope
It worked when I used it
But you can't really use it at the same time as the G-Software
zenith sonnet
pale sigil
zenith sonnet
Old news
pale sigil
Nou
wheat plume
This is the most r/fellowkids video I have ever seen https://youtu.be/LGsmceEl0SA
reef patrol
Not sure if I like the 4. It has some odd choices designwise.
wheat plume
oh?
earnest osprey
It's actually pretty decent, very close to mini dp
golden girder
@reef patrol The 4 uses micro HDMI, the Zero uses the mini HDMI.
I don't get why they had swapped the USB with the ethernet port.
reef patrol
Yeah I meant micro
I get the ethernet. Being forced to use Wifi wasn't super stable on my 3b.
golden girder
No, they had swapped the place of the USB ports with the ethernet port.
reef patrol
Wait.... the 3 had ethernet. What am I saying 😄
golden girder
Yes...
reef patrol
I have too many Pis!
golden girder
All Pis have ethernet, except the Zero and the A models.
reef patrol
Yeah was thinking of the ones I have in smaller cases.
Anyhow - Never been a fan of mini and micro connector ports. They have a bad tendency of breaking. And I never have a cable or adaptor handy 😄
golden girder
It depends on how you want to use them. My Pis are running headless near all the time.
reef patrol
I primarily use mine for Gameboy or mini-consoles, so there's a lot of cable on/off.
golden girder
I had never connected my Zero to a monitor since I got it.
wheat plume
ashen spindle
damn you must be good at undervolting
wheat plume
I need a new PC ;-;
wheat plume
why am I missing swing.properties? I am in the wrong folder?
open tinsel
My monitor died :)
wheat plume
;-;
pale sigil
@open tinsel dead dead or still dying
open tinsel
Dead dead
open tinsel
I have 2 monitors, problem is its attached to the desk
pale sigil
Welp
open tinsel
Meh this might be a good sign
pale sigil
Why
solar hinge
because death is the one true escape?
mild zephyr
@reef patrol wanna send me some pi’s if you got too many lol?
reef patrol
wheat plume
Me too :PP
pale sigil
Me three
reef patrol
fallow bison
Me four
pale sigil
Me infinity
wheat plume
my wifi sucks ;-;
pale sigil
I used to be on 7mb/s
reef patrol
tfw 300mbit wifi
wheat plume
FML, its gone down to 200kbps -.-
yeets my phone onto my bed which is closer to the window to see if it gets faster
nope.....
zenith sonnet
How many hours?
wheat plume
the download pages says it will take another hour to download
it will definitely be longer -.-
pale sigil
Use torrent
wheat plume
They dont offer a torrent,
pale sigil
F
wheat plume
this is downloading directly from the same adress the phone would download it from if you check for updates in the settings
pale sigil
F my phones speakers have been sounding very funky lately and requires a reboot
I think they are broke
Hmm it seems to be the equilizer
Odd
timid chasm
Lana dealing with 200kb/s talking like she knows pain. Tell us about your pain when your 56.6k modem connects at 16 kb/s 😛
timid chasm
yay living in BFE
I was still on that speed when Minecraft released. Downloading a 3MB .jar file was helllll
But I'm a big boy on gigabit now
fallow phoenix
ayyy 64kb/s
crimson wigeon
Yeah dialup, spending hours downloading only to have it crap out and then thinking how massive the bill is gonna be because it's charged like a normal call
timid chasm
lol, leaving napster or limewire on all night so you could download a song
reef patrol
Still do that these days. Downloading a larger file on one of those free download sites that cap you at like 45kbps unless you pay for a subscription
zenith sonnet
3:44h
timid chasm
yeah those suck for sure
zenith sonnet
I think my computer just died
🤔
Now I had everything from various blue screens, the BIOS resetting itself, freezes during boot or loading Windows, chassis intrude - system halted, Startup repair to Windows starting normally within an hour
reef patrol
RIP 😦
open tinsel
After about an hour of messing around, I can confirm that my circuit board in the monitor burned out
F
But I have replaced it
zenith sonnet
Well, it's working again
🤷
Don't ask me why it has this spasms sometimes
Can't wait to upgrade, though
ashen spindle
zen 2 reviews are out time to watch 
fallow bison
My entire subfeed is filled up
pale sigil
Welp
As i expected
I think my PC is gonna get more red....
Rip money
Aye
Real or made?
Well that's the thing really, the feel is very unique
Man the price for 3700x is really damn good
ashen spindle
the 3600 is an insanely good value piece
zenith sonnet
3900X or 3950X is the question for me
ashen spindle
well the later one aint here till september
whats the price for the 3600 in the uk?
ashen spindle
nice
pale sigil
The 3700x is insanely powerful considering how powerful it is
pale sigil
I mean how cheap it is XD
ashen spindle
for gaming it'll probably be hard to beat the value of the 3600 though
pale sigil
It's an exciting time
ashen spindle
timid chasm
wow
plush summit
....
ashen spindle
nvidia doesnt even see amd as serious competition but sure, they are colluding 
timid chasm
and amds whole thing is affordable
reef patrol
Reviews are finally out. So I can stop keeping my mouth shut about it 😄
The 3700X is impressive - It's basically a question of whether you want to spend another 45$ on the 9700K and get 2-10ish FPS for just gaming.
timid chasm
I wonder what lower end motherboards will support the 3900+ with a bios update
feral jolt
It seems like most reviews are done with 3200 ram
timid chasm
I see asrocks ab350 pro4 supports 3800x but not 39
feral jolt
Oc3d used 3600 mhz tho
timid chasm
why buy it just for gaming though
that doesn't surprise me though esp since it turbos to 5 and its intel
reef patrol
No one expected AMD to BEAT Intel. Only to shorten the gap and at a lower price. Who's using a 9900K for gaming anyway? 😄
feral jolt
Lots of people tbh
reef patrol
That's their fault, heh.
timid chasm
people out of the loop I would guess
reef patrol
Chances are the 3600X will be the optimal budget friendly gaming CPU, leaving you with more money for a bigger GPU.
earnest osprey
I just bought my 3700x
ashen spindle
3600 you mean?
timid chasm
and even the 3700x games and streams fine even at 1080p output
earnest osprey
and some supporting hardware
reef patrol
No reason not to. The Skylakes are still cool CPUs.
earnest osprey
5820k is, a little too old
reef patrol
The 5820K is HEDT. That was never proper for gaming, heh.
reef patrol
😄
earnest osprey
Overclocked well enough to compare with the 4790k, way better multicore, ddr4 support
That also meant nvme drives were an option without any upgrades
x99 just needed a bios update
pale sigil
I hate my 7700k
reef patrol
Cursed chip
timid chasm
you're never happy with components
reef patrol
I'll let you buy my delidded 8700K plus motherboard, when I eventually upgrade. 😄
timid chasm
some people don't have access to clean water and callum isn't happy with his cpu chip
timid chasm
wooooooooooooooooow shots fired lol
pale sigil
People choose to have kids in the worst possible environments
reef patrol
Also considering selling off my 8350K
pale sigil
It's not fair and then the next generation do the same
timid chasm
not banging is hard though tbf
pale sigil
Idc they chose that risk
Knowing they can't even feed or five themselves water
Or live in a mud hutt
zenith sonnet
Maybe by the time I can look over this proper, someone already made a collection of links
timid chasm
hint hint
pale sigil
People could probably use my 7700k as a fryer
ashen spindle
@reef patrol you said the 3600x might be the optimal cpu, why not the 3600 non x
reef patrol
Either honestly. X guarantees good binning, non-X is a gamble.
ashen spindle
binning doesnt really matter though if it at max has 100mhz more imo
reef patrol
It matters to me - Because it might mean very low voltages for the non-100mhz OC as an alternative 😄
Also... rule of cool.
ashen spindle
fair point
reef patrol
I run my 8700K at 5.2 because I can, not because I desperately need it. But I also have it delidded, and in a custom loop, so it kind of comes with the territory
earnest osprey
Lol.
wheat plume
reef patrol
😄
wheat plume
11/10 thumbnail
pale sigil
Ubuntu is fine
wheat plume
I wont like it fo rmuch longer, They are dropping 32bit support, so no one will be able to install steam and most games on it
I dont use it though, I use Manjaro
ashen spindle
steam will also work because they will keep certain libraries for it
wheat plume
isnt Zorin 15 on 16.04?
or 18.04 i forget
but they are using a very outdated gnome desktop version on zorin 15
which is sad
cause its a wonderful OS with a lot of neat features
pale sigil
Gnome sucks
timid chasm
linux steam and games only support 32 bit and aren't backwards compatible with 64 bit? what?
wheat plume
You cannot deny it has the best UI design (not the theme, the theme is ugly) , but the best design
fallow phoenix
I greatly prefer KDE myself
wheat plume
I LOOOVEEEE Plasma ❤ I am using it currently
recently got the upgrade to plasma 5.16
2001: Microsoft said that Linux is cancer
2019: Microsoft "Hey penguin friends! Let us join you"
wheat plume
I think they want to move portential Linux users switching from windows to Linux and get them to use their version of Linux inside windows instead
I dont see any good coming from Microsoft getting involved in Linux, they destroy everything they try to get into
like skype and things
fallow phoenix
Could be, though I'd rather not try to think too hard on what the future holds
I find it unlikely that MS will itself be able to destroy Linux like it did Skype - - - it might be able to mishandle its own implementation of Linux
but then that would only mean people will want to hop off Windows entirely as opposed to use WSL
Linux is fragmented, and that helps with its survivability against potential takeover / infiltration
wheat plume
I wonder if they will make thier own Linux based OS? 🤔 Fill it spyware and make you use your microsoft account to login to it
fallow phoenix
It would be interesting
I'm certain a good amount of people won't be bothered by the telemetry and so on so long as they deliver a good product
wheat plume
I love this guy's name
fallow phoenix
a
fallow phoenix
that looks pretty similar to mine
wheat plume
ooh?
fallow phoenix
except that I decided that I didn't want the close/minimise/maximise buttons on the global menu
and put them back
wheat plume
I have 3 widgets that all make up the global menu 😂
fallow phoenix
put minimise on the far right, close on the far left
wheat plume
the global menu widget, active window controls and window title
fallow phoenix
maximise is removed
wheat plume
Application title*
fallow phoenix
I keep the application title and close/minimise on the app window itself
I do use a global menu because I like global menus
fallow phoenix
a
fallow phoenix
fallow phoenix
I want to try it out, but I don't have a phone :'D
fallow phoenix
I don't; I just go online and chat up on discord or messenger
or otherwise have other people call for me if it's urgent
fallow phoenix
I did have a phone back then but I mostly end up not using it
our telecoms over here are a headache to deal with
fallow phoenix
o.o
pale sigil
I use google voice these days
fallow phoenix
nigh daily calls huh
wheat plume
google voice?
open tinsel
I just knock on his door^
pale sigil
Also that
pale sigil
@wheat plume Google voice is s free internet calling service only available on the US
fallow phoenix
most friends of mine I know on discord, or in FFXIV
pale sigil
However if you have a google mini you can use it
wheat plume
o
fallow phoenix
hence discord/fb
wheat plume
wow
pale sigil
So free calls to any number inside the uk
open tinsel
I stay touch with my family by yelling downstairs
fallow phoenix
certainly must seem strange indeed ^^;
pale sigil
My usage last time I topped up my phone was 15 minute aka 2 texts
XD
Me? I've always used MSN and emails XD
If not I used the house phone back in the olde days
pale sigil
NoU
fallow phoenix
well, I did kind of use a flip phone back before social media and internet availability kind of became something we took for granted
though even it remained mostly unused due to me being a hermit
mostly just extremely condensed messages to family
I topped up a lot
but... mostly just to buy mobile data
timid chasm
so tinytomlogan from oc3d kinda looks like a cartoon character
anybody else get that vibe?
zenith sonnet
Whenever I look at TPU reviews, and compare them with others, I feel like their have a ~5% bias toward Nvidia compared to the mean 🤔
Did any reviewers test the new Radeon Anti-Lag?
ashen spindle
doubt it, requires special setup almost none of them really have, and would take a long time away from regular benchmarks
and given that the drivers are still broken its not really worth testing it now anyway
earnest osprey
fully populated 6 channel memory
that's a xeon
and it's that poorly maintained? ouch.
fallow bison
Pleasant burn it
zenith sonnet
Great going, AMD
5700 XT launching with broken drivers again
Or, broken review drivers
ashen spindle
+shitty cooler
zenith sonnet
It does the job, but yeah, it's not gonna win them benchmarks
ashen spindle
yea its not thermal throttling the cards, but thats about all it does lmao
zenith sonnet
People are gonna put AIB cards into poorly ventilated cases anyway, so why bother with a 'works in all environments' solution?
ashen spindle
because even in bad cases blower cards are worse on average
zenith sonnet
That said, I'm not sure if reviewers should not take the GPU cooler out of the benchmark equation, and just review the cards under equal conditions?
ashen spindle
equal condition is how the stock cards come in
zenith sonnet
So you get an idea of the actual cards performance, not influenced by cooler performance
Both ways would be right
ashen spindle
sure but then you go far far away from testing for real worlds usages
zenith sonnet
It sorta controls for the hundreds of AIB units that are sold in the real world
ashen spindle
also, what do you test it at then, 50C on amd and nvidia? 60C? as low as your standard cooler can go? etc.
zenith sonnet
Reference cards don't make up the majority of sales
I mean, nobody benches the CPUs wit the stock cooler, either?
ashen spindle
thats why it should hurt them to make a better and slightly more expensive reference cooler
zenith sonnet
Does the 9900K even come with a stock cooler?
The AMD stock coolers are actually very decent and sufficient for the average user
Intels are insufficient for anything but light loads...
ashen spindle
but you cant really buy a gpu without a cooler, there is nothing like VRAM on a cpu that needs to be covered corectly, you have an IHS and not direct contact unlike gpu dies etc.
ashen spindle
regardless of what would be ideal, if amd just makes a better design it would not hurt their card sales as much
zenith sonnet
Or not ship broken review drivers for once
ashen spindle
would also help
zenith sonnet
Since launch day reviews are gonna stay for years
That said, I need to DDU and install 19.17.1 for that Anti-Lag and FidelityFX goodness
ashen spindle
really shouldn't be hard to just take a random cooler design from an AiB and change it a bit and make that the reference design, compared to drivers who are a lot more complex lmao
zenith sonnet
Those are features that would make me choose AMD over Nvidia instead of a few max FPS
ashen spindle
well the anti lag is something nvidia has in their fast synch technology thing
zenith sonnet
Not really
Fast sync is more or less equivalent to AMDs Enhanced Sync
It's not a syncing tech, it's literally a reduction in display lag
Even with all syncing disabled
ashen spindle
zenith sonnet
Anyway, despite the issues, the 5700XT landed closer to the VII and 2070 Super, and farther ahead of the 2070 than I expected
ashen spindle
timestamp is about anti lag and fast synch
zenith sonnet
Well, looks like it works
With Anti-Lag enabled, the AMD card was always at least 16ms of button-to-photon delay ahead of the Nvidia card, that's the closest he could get
I wanna see Battlenonsense do a video on this
ashen spindle
8-16 yes, but I dont know in what context, I hope someone will make a deeper dive on that
because I would like to know how it works
zenith sonnet
5700 is ahead of the 2060 Super, after all 😃
I'm still >90% confident it works by bypassing the inherent latency added by Windows DWM
Lol, 5700XT is faster than a 2080 Ti!
(in h.265 encoding)
Also PCIe bandwidth
ashen spindle
well is it just button to photon delay, if so it should be possible to do the same on nvidia, and input latency isnt really something that a gpu can change anyway, since its input from hardware, processed by the game engine
it gets a bit complicated
zenith sonnet
There's a lot you can do about button to photon delay
Starts with fast peripherals, like the Wooting in Tachyon mode, or a good Logitech mouse, that can deliver sub-5ms button to signal delay
A good display, with Adaptive sync, and a signal to photon delay of less than 6-7ms
The rest is inbetween
Game engine, FPS, etc
RS-295 - AMD Radeon Anti-Lag Performance - Testing conducted by AMD Performance Labs as of June 4th, 2019 on the 8GB Radeon™ RX 5700, using a test system comprising of Intel i7 9700K CPU (3.6 GHz), 16GB DDR4-3200MHz memory, and Windows 10x64 with Radeon Software Adrenalin 2019 Edition 19.7.1. PC manufacturers may vary configurations, yielding different results. With Anti-Lag OFF at 3840x2160p using DX11, Apex Legends (ultra-high preset), Tom Clancy’s The Division 2 (high preset), Dota 2 (maximum preset), Fortnite (high preset), Overwatch (epic preset), PlayerUnknown’s Battleground (ultra preset), and Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Siege had an average input to display latency of 54.6ms, 44.8ms, 22.4ms, 54.4ms, 29.7ms, 48.3ms, 34.1ms, respectively, versus a 36.8ms, 30.2ms, 17.3ms, 35.5ms, 20.5ms, 33.0ms, and 23.6ms latency with Anti-Lag ON, respectively, leading to a 33%, 33%, 23%, 35%, 31%, 32%, and 31% reduction in latency with Anti-Lag ON, respectively. Comparing Anti-Lag ON vs OFF, Anti-Lag reduces average latency by 31%. Performance may vary based on use of latest drivers.
ashen spindle
Testing conducted by AMD Performance Labs <- aka I dont care what it says
it seems to be nice, but I aint trusting the marketing slide :p
zenith sonnet
Not a marketing slide, that's the release notes :p
Anyway, there's no reason to not trust that data
ashen spindle
anything from the company that sells me the product is marketing in my eyes
zenith sonnet
If it were wrong, they be in for a lawsuit
ashen spindle
doesnt mean I think its wrong or misleading
but I generally only care about independent reviews
zenith sonnet
What it suggests is that they reduced latency by 1-1.5 frames
ashen spindle
I am inclined to believe those numbers are true
but I also doubt if there are any settings to get similar results on nvidias side with other settings/tweaks/software/whatever they would include it
zenith sonnet
They did no comparison with Nvidia
They compared their test system, only changing this one setting
Nvidia may have lower or higher latencies compared to the setting off
earnest osprey
Why would you ever not use anti lag if it consistently improves that card? They should compare other gpus
zenith sonnet
It's a new feature they just released
They practically just said we improved our average latency by an impressive 30%!
They compared with Nvidia in their E3 tech demo
Where they were ahead of Nvidia with the setting turned off
Then further improved by enabling it
ashen spindle
but why not show that in this case here then if it truly makes them better?
its kinda irrelevant on its own
zenith sonnet
Because it was release notes, not marketing
And no, lower lag is never irrelevant
ashen spindle
well yea I don't mean that as in I dont want it, but it doesnt tell me anything without comparison
zenith sonnet
Haven't found FidelityFX yet
crimson wigeon
I zink the fidelity thing is something game devs integrate
wheat plume
Ah yeh, I forgot about this gem from 2009 😂 https://youtu.be/WSMEEUTdcBk
pale sigil
Of course there's a Hannah Montana Linux
wheat plume
There is also Jewbuntu
and Ubuntu Christian Editon
and Ubuntu Satanic edition
Hell, there was also justin Bieber Linux
wheat plume
I went back to the stable version
the battery life seems worse than the beta I was on
pale sigil
I'm not on a beta
pale sigil
pale sigil
I need to see what's doing this
wheat plume
huh?
pale sigil
Battery brain
wheat plume
some apps can start in the background even if the toggle for autostart is off
you need to go into the permissions to turn it off too
why isnt this dark theme? :/
wtf
the rest of the UI is
pale sigil
It's Instagram and twitter u think
wheat plume
perhaps
wheat plume
Do you know of any custom ROM I could use on my phone that does OTA upgrades?
Because AOSP Extended on my moms phone doesnt OTA upgrade, you can only download the new version from the updater and you have to manually reinstall it
ashen spindle
still kinda confused why nvidia did not release the 2080 super now instead of end of the month 
with how close amd is now, it would definitely be something that sells well as the best option availible without extreme absurd pricing like the ti
wheat plume
they renamed Rhytmbox to "Music for the Damned" 😂
Why do tech support scammers use the most obscure and pointless way to make you opena web browser?
earnest osprey
lol
wheat plume
"I just clicked on the ad saying grow your lund by 5 inches" - Lewis's tech
earnest osprey
well then
wheat plume
😂
earnest osprey
No idea
wheat plume
same here
pale sigil
It's just fir my 1080p monitor tbh
My left one I don't play with
Just use as a screen
So I should be good
reef patrol
They usually work. But only at 60hz, and there might be a tiny delay.
Or 30hz more like, if you try to run 4K
pale sigil
i dont care about 4k
pale sigil
zenith sonnet
What the hell is wrong with this result?
pale sigil
shadow of the tomb raider seems off on all benchmarks
zenith sonnet
What's cool about Zen 2 is that RAM speed makes close to no difference
You gain like 5% going from 2400 CL14 to 3600 CL16
earnest osprey
I'm getting 3600 cl 16
but I plan to oc that
hopefully 3733 cl 14
Or I might downclock a little and try to get to cl12
zenith sonnet
Those some tiiiight timings
I'm waiting to see which kits work best with Zen 2
I want 2 sticks, 32 GiB
ashen spindle
2 sticks 32 each or 16 each?
zenith sonnet
Still unsure whether I should go reasonable, or all-in
16 each, ofc
But 16 GiB system RAM is starting to show limits, imo
ashen spindle
time for 4x32 then 
zenith sonnet
Lol, nah
I don't feel like wasting
earnest osprey
I have only used the forward or back buttons by accident
ashen spindle
its a good spot for melee bindings in shooters I noticed
earnest osprey
I don't like putting more functions on my mouse hand.
timid chasm
I like it for grenades
zenith sonnet
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/images/relative-performance-games-2560-1440.png
I wonder if that difference comes from using above spec memory on the intel test setup...
ashen spindle
doubt it, memory doesnt give you much benefit for games on intel
zenith sonnet
Going from 2666 to 3200 surely gives you a percent or two
ashen spindle
depends on the cpu, game mobo, sometimes you really dont get anything, also might make your timings worse so ends up in equal performance from that hard to say
but it shouldn't be tested with 3200 on the intel side
zenith sonnet
That was the averages, not a 'per game' chart :p
ashen spindle
sure, what if all x games they tested were cases were it didn't matter? 😛
its 1440p on ultra settings, so in the end it doesnt really make any real difference anyway
urban salmon
I orderd 10 piece of kailhua box jade switches
zenith sonnet
Boosting is fucked?
And the Windows Scheduler still can't properly assign gaming threads to boosted cores?
reef patrol
Or just manually OC to boost levels 😄
zenith sonnet
I'm waiting till September anyway
fickle ore
some of the reviews are garbage, running amd on stock cooler vs intel on water, using windows 10 1709 lacking the scheduler ryzen topology awareness, missing vulnerability patches etc
New patches should be released shortly, which will reduce intel gaming perf about 5%
zenith sonnet
TPU uses 3200 CL14 RAM both for Ryzen (per spec), and intel (above spec)
They also chose to ignore the 3600 MHz RAM kit AMD sent them for whatever reason
There's a whole lot of garbage going on
Some reviewers used BIOS revisions that increased power draw (modified by the board maker), and other stuff
I mean, look at those differences
The Chip uses a whopping 50% more power in the TPU review
fickle ore
no wonder they had problems hitting anything more than 4.2
the chip should boost to 4.5+++
zenith sonnet
TPU got it to run 4.2 or something
fickle ore
aye im gonna wait a couple weeks until I buy
fallow bison
Xeanoa that last graph is whole system though
zenith sonnet
It's not the max
It's an issue with the board/BIOS they used
zenith sonnet
@fallow bison Wow, didn't see that
Why would anyone do that for a CPU review?
zenith sonnet
TPU always seems to lean toward Nvidia or intel, compared with other reviewers, I feel
Also, this chart:
fallow bison
TPU have some misleading graphs lel
zenith sonnet
With a manual overclock of 4.0 GHz all core, they get the same gaming performance as with automatic boost 3.8/4.6 GHz
Also the same score as the 9900K running 5.0GHz...
fallow bison
Seems legit
zenith sonnet
Maybe they ran all on Ultra and maxed out that 2080 Ti?
That's stupid, though...
All games and applications are tested using the same game version.
All games are set to their highest quality setting unless indicated otherwise.
Yes, they did
fickle ore
Still haven't found information about the memspeed. We know IF can be clocked individually to max speed irc? I wonder if u can then run ram over 4000 since they're decoupled
;_;
zenith sonnet
zenith sonnet
Tell me whatever, but they made that 3900X be slower than a 1700 in a couple of tests
timid chasm
AC Odyssey is kinda shit optimized though
zenith sonnet
fickle ore
these benchmarks are laughable
earnest osprey
Inf-fab gets cut in half if you go 2:1, and the cut off is 3800 mhz
fickle ore
that's old info Rex I think
timid chasm
Did anybody elses benchmarks show that? I don't remember seeing it on par with 1700 like that in others
zenith sonnet
3733 actually, but some reviewers claimed 3600 even
earnest osprey
3800 isn't on that chart, and 3733 is a weird number
That's not really important anyway
I was under the impression that the clocks were still linked from that memory chart
fickle ore
If I buy PC for 5+ years I'm gonna need info whether I can decouple and run IF at max, and ram at 4200+
Maybe
timid chasm
why would you need 4200+ lol
timid chasm
by leaps and bounds I imagine
earnest osprey
Well my 3700x is ariving tomorrow, so I will let you know what settings I can play with
earnest osprey
That seems rather high
zenith sonnet
Hope you get a working BIOS by then :p
earnest osprey
We will see what it does in an auros gaming 7
fickle ore
Xeanoa do you think the new Samsung 1z/1y nm are ready by sept?
zenith sonnet
I haven't heard any about that
fickle ore
if ryzen 2 is truly capped at 3733 for IF you could edge out 10% if the new kits are dual rank working at that freq
Okay
fickle ore
probably to do with PCIE 4 issues
zenith sonnet
Nvidia even sabotages AMDs CPU launches :p
fickle ore
1z nm 2020 😦
zenith sonnet
reminds me of that 'Samsung magic RAM' from years ago
zenith sonnet
I think I sold mine? Not sure, might still be around somewhere
fickle ore
Either way, B-die is EOL
the new 1y and 1z will replace it
but yea it was a good kit
mine couldnt do 2400/cl10
timid chasm
lol who the fuck is this https://www.newegg.com/oloy-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820820048
it's yolo backwards. Is that the attitude you need to try them out?
found my next set for my overly obnoxious build https://www.newegg.com/oloy-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820821112
zenith sonnet
Why does Radeon settings not find BL2 as an installed game?
If I manually add it to the list, I can't see the Anti-Lag setting
@ashen spindle Another review that directly compares AMD and Nvidia with Anti-Lag on and off
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-RX-5700-Grafikkarte-274683/Specials/Radeon-Anti-Lag-Test-Navi-1293817
tl;dr: AMD has inherently lower delay then Nvidia, which is further improved with Anti-Lag
ashen spindle
Oh nice, not a fan of pcgh but I’ll check it out when I’m back home
zenith sonnet
Not sure how they tested yet, though
They measured 'driver lag'
Not sure how they did that
This is 100% misleading
Had to read the chart 3 times until I noticed they suddenly had a Vega for blue and yellow on the left side, instead of the usual Supers
And then they compare frame times of the 590 with the 2070 Super?
ashen spindle
Wtf
ashen spindle
Misleading or bad at making graphs, not sure which one is worse here lmao
ashen spindle
Is that testing on zen2?
zenith sonnet
@ashen spindle
Wait a sec
Apparently it's older
ashen spindle
Ye bc first gen zen „gained“ more from ram than CPU’s usually do
zenith sonnet
It's Zen+
Some guy posted that in a Zen 2 review thread
@ashen spindle
Also, for the Antilag thing
They first made graphs comparing the 5700(XT) with the 2070/60 Super
And then they suddenly replaced the cards on the left side, showing different cards for the Anti-Lag and FPS graphs in each image
I can only assume that's an oversight...
fickle ore
antilag is basically pre-rendered frames 1
zenith sonnet
Nope
zenith sonnet
They tested prerendered frames too
And it made no differences at all
But Anti-Lag actually works
fickle ore
apps can choose to ignore pre-rendered frames, anti-lag is probably same thing but applies over anything
u can't go below 1 pre-rendered frames if renderer doesn't support it
only forward rendering
that graph sucks ass
driver lag and performance in ms wtf
zenith sonnet
Oh I get it now
They forgot to replace the '2070S' in some graphs with 'Vega 56', but had the right data there
So, really an oversight
Well, makes sense to measure in ms
Since it's intended to reduce button to pixel delay
fickle ore
driver lag is render queue for a given app
this setting is the boss and ignores apps I guess
nah that performance in ms is not the delay, its 1/fps
zenith sonnet
Performance in ms is part of the equation
fickle ore
thier driver lag colum is the actual delay caused by the renderer
performance in ms is just fps avg
smoothed over X
zenith sonnet
I would some reviews benchmarking performance with other background tasks running
As your typical gaming scenario with a browser, discord, VoIP, and whatever running at the same time
Maybe even a Youtube video on the second display
fickle ore
AMD might have found a way to guarantee the pre-rendered setting is forced vs nivida, that's all. Or maybe they found a way to ignore the must for 1 frame buffer in current driver model. Will have to see until someone beyond my ability can find out
cpu prepares the frame, send it off to the gpu and the gpu then prepares it for the monitor
currently you cannot produce a frame to the monitor instantly, the gpu always need 1 frame buffer
back in the xp days I think the driver model was such you could produce it immediately
windows XP
most apps/games have a default render queue length, usually 3. Some competitive games (overwatch) you can set it to 1 or other esport titles via cfg
so in the case GPU becomes swamped the cpu won't be too far ahead, that 1 -3 is the limit how many frames the cpu can be ahead. So with 3 the inputs are 3 frames behind if the gpu is pegged at 100%
yea its render queue depth
question is whether it can bypass driver level 1 frame buffer and actually do present time frame drawing which would be huge
It is but they don't really explain what it is
I might upgrade if its cheap
😦
400 is a bit much
Yes if they can boost to 4.6 single core, but not if stuck at 4.2
I would like to
Lets see prices at Jimms first 😄
zenith sonnet
5700 XT performs better when you undervolt it instead of OCing it
Maybe more reviewers should test that
fickle ore
probably same thing with ryzen since it can boost higher undervolted, the chip is temp capped
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore Still doesn't matter, as it does not reduce actual latency
But good on them to make a setting more obscure by renaming it 🤔
fickle ore
pre-rendered frames does reduce actual latency if the app respects the limit set by nvidia's settings, and the game is gpu bound
zenith sonnet
Also, Zen2 does boost to 4.6 single core
reef patrol
It has issues picking the RIGHT core though as I understand.
zenith sonnet
Yeap
Zen has been around for years
Get your scheduler working right
Also, boosting seems to have issues when Zen2 is used with an Nvidia card
fickle ore
Just great 😦
zenith sonnet
New launch, new AGESA code
Give it two weeks
I hope I'll get Image Sharpening in a future update 😦
Right now it seems to only be available on the 5700's
wheat plume
the navbar is gone
pale sigil
It's not for me
wheat plume
I assume you mean the status bar?
zenith sonnet
Wow
The last time a game felt this smooth and responsive is when I got my Freesync monitor
Anti-Lag is god
ashen spindle
hmm amd cpus got a lot better in power usage, but now their pch chip sucks
apparently pcie 4.0 is not the reason that the cooler is needed, it has just higher power consumption in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk3PD-4zPN0 for reference
earnest osprey
It's just a reconfigured I/O die
A use for I/O dies that aren't good enough for a cpu, but are good enough for something like, a chipset
ashen spindle
Doesn’t really explain either question, why it was said that pcie4 increased the heat, and why fans are used on every board but one example when it’s not needed
earnest osprey
It's possible that the board makers were given tdp specs and were scared into putting fans
ashen spindle
that would mean they get tdp and then build their boards without testing them lmao
earnest osprey
That's, not out of the question
ashen spindle
....
earnest osprey
It was probably cheeper to add the fan than it was to do the testing
Like, it took derb8uer 2 weeks
ashen spindle
he also had to modify the board and did it in his free time basically, it didnt actually took him 2 weeks working on it lmao
and the manufacturers obviously get the chips before they are soldered to the board
earnest osprey
I think they just wanted to be conservative to make sure no one gets burnt chipsets
Also while the power is lower than advertised, it is 2-3 times higher than x470
So they put 2-3 times the cooling
When
The flat heatsinks were already overkill
ashen spindle
there are x570 boards where the vrm is not even suited to really use the 12 core cpus so why put a fan on the pch and not save money there
earnest osprey
Can we talk about the foot long heat pipe going down to the chipset on some??
Lmao
ashen spindle
the one that connects to the VRM heatsink?
ashen spindle
I like it, eliminates the need for a fan even under full load with a 16 core iirc
earnest osprey
You would be hard pressed to need active vrm cooling even with the 16 core
On the 12 phase boards
ashen spindle
I meant no fan for vrm or pch with that one board
earnest osprey
It looks expensive is what I mean
I also don't like how you can't get the best memory and oc support with also buying wifi you probably wont use
ashen spindle
ehh the best high end has so many features, it really doesnt matter anymore if it has wifi or not lol
you dont care about 5 $ more on a 750$ board
earnest osprey
Well I also think the people getting high end boards have the least use for wifi
Cause they care enough to just use ethernet
ashen spindle
yeah but offering high end boards missing features lower cost boards have is kinda weird
doesnt really hurt to have it, not like it makes anything worse
and sometimes you get people who do want to use it
ashen spindle
ew no I dont want to go back where I need to add more points of failure to have a working system
earnest osprey
Would it really be more points of failure?
ashen spindle
yes? because a board I get already tests the things on it
earnest osprey
I suppose
But there is still someone that would find a more bare mobo with minimal I/O but many expansion means. Im sure a connector of some type could be used where the io would normally live
It wouldn't be fit for mainstream
But it would be cool
ashen spindle
mabye, but thats neither halo product level, nor something that sells a lot of units
so not really worth to make
zenith sonnet
I wonder if the node will mature measurably in 2 months time
ashen spindle
dont think so, tsmc have been using it for a while already before zen/navi for other chips
but maybe for better bins at the high end
could be why they are waiting with the 3950x release
zenith sonnet
Yeah
I'm just wondering if the other chips get the same 'benefits' by the time the 3950X releases
ashen spindle
I dont think it really is any benefit and just less mistakes that force them to disable some corse and make it a non 16 core
btw did we ever get the offical date for the 2080 super?
zenith sonnet
Also, after playing with it for a few hours I conclude:
Radeon Anti-Lag is bloody amazing!
The difference was immediately apparent. It felt like turning on adaptive sync for the first time, even with adaptive sync enabled.
And, contrary to expectations, after reading up on render queue shortening, it actually felt smoother, not only more responsive
ashen spindle
nice
zenith sonnet
There is no reason for the VEGA to not have RIS yet D:
zenith sonnet
That's not a reason, that's a decision :p
agile summit
Did RVII get RIS?
ashen spindle
no it wont
agile summit
I typed RUS originally and laughed pretty hard
zenith sonnet
It will most likely get it in an future update
zenith sonnet
Maybe after some more polishing?
AMD hasn't ever withheld software boons for the older cards for long
Anti-Lag is already available and ready to go
agile summit
Yeah, if it will work they'll roll it out
ashen spindle
well anti lag is also for gcn in general afaik
agile summit
Yeah, if it will work they'll roll it out
Could just be that they barely made their timeline
ashen spindle
but I think it will take some time at least before they add it for older cards
zenith sonnet
Probably
ashen spindle
because for now they did say its navi only
agile summit
So they didn't want to release a crashy mess
zenith sonnet
It's just a post processing compute shader
It wouldn't be to hard to add it to another card
But they have like a hundred different GCN cards this needs to be tested on
zenith sonnet
Still looking for a gaming review where they benched with a multi-monitor setup and a bunch of background tasks running
agile summit
I'm interested to see what a Zen2 threadripper is going to look like
Especially since I'm still on a 1900x
zenith sonnet
New AGESA code = a few % in gaming workloads
Depends on the review, some gain more, some less
ashen spindle
less than 2% for GN though, at best
zenith sonnet
2.7% was their biggest difference, 1.1% their smallest
iirc the charts from the video correctly
He especially mentions Anandtech would see a much more significant difference
Well, I also expect this to not be the last update to the AGESA code, and we might see another few % in the coming weeks
It's good they withheld the 3950X for another 2 months
At least those issues will be mostly ironed out by then
They apparently updated with a graph of boost frequencies:
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14605/AMD-MSI-firmware-update-boost-changes.png
That's a massive 250MHz difference most of the time
Plus a 500ms smaller delay ramping up the boost
ashen spindle
he later mentioned the 2.7 was not found again in retesting
but yea, typical amd, quite some issues on launch day
zenith sonnet
He mentioned it was outside of error tolerance and reproducible
I don't think he'd publish data he couldn't reproduce, anyway
ashen spindle
no he said they still had a bit higher numbers but not as high as 2.7 again
either way all reviews are either the same or slightly better after retesting for anyone
which is good for consumers, but bad for pr if people dont check it again lmao
earnest osprey
My 3700x is coming today, so it's nice to see that the thing I ordered has basically improved before I even got it
wheat plume
I opened the MIUI Global rom zip file
2009? MIUI 10 did not exist back then wtf
zenith sonnet
Also, curiously, most reviewers still don't use all the security mitigations for the intel SKUs
Although I can't really blame them, as a gamer, I wouldn't use them either
Many are opt-in updates you have to install manually, and disabling HT
ashen spindle
also needs retesting for everything which isnt really worth it when you have such a cramped launch week already
and 99% of people wont do anything beyond updating windows version
(which is probably enough anyway)
earnest osprey
It would be interesting to compare stock ryzen 3rd gen to intel with the complete recommended security settings
"here is how screwed intel is if these things mattered"
ashen spindle
I mean it'll be basically the current results and maybe 2% offset for some things
games arent really hit by it thankfully
earnest osprey
Except for ht
zenith sonnet
Intel would lose way more ground than 2%
I've read about up to 50% on some models
ashen spindle
in games?
earnest osprey
Ht makes a huge difference lol
ashen spindle
I mean disabling HT is not something you should do, it's not even fixing what it is supposed to fix
so no point in doing it
earnest osprey
Well all the prefetch stuff would hurt gaming too. Since games are so linear
ashen spindle
and anyone using the pc for gaming would only get hit if they do something like click the wrong links, which might as well be a "normal" virus in it
so yes it is bad, but I still think it practically changes absolutely nothing on a machine used for gaming
zenith sonnet
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=mds-zombieload-mit&num=1
Here's some test data
No games, only productivity
ashen spindle
yea anyone who says you need them in game reviews is either an amd fanboy or doesnt understand anything
(adding anything beyond latest windows version I mean)
zenith sonnet
Thing is, with intel you don't know how many % the next round costs, and how much of it will be included in the next version
ashen spindle
sure? still not really relevant for games
earnest osprey
Im pretty sure amd already fixed any of the issues that came towards them?
zenith sonnet
So, while the 3900X and the 9900K are within 5% for games, it might not remain this way
earnest osprey
3700x is only barely behind 3900x too
zenith sonnet
Then again, within 5% means either choice is golden
The AMD SKUs comsume considerably less power, though
earnest osprey
And cost less
ashen spindle
tbh if anything is found now, I doubt it will be before the next sku from intel is out this fall
so we'll have some slightly higher clocking 14nm++++ parts that will be another 5% ahead
earnest osprey
But probably 20% more power
You could even run a 3950x off a single 8 pin if you had too
zenith sonnet
Anandtech used the stock cooler on the 3900X
But this thing on the 9900K
http://thermalright.com/product/true-copper/
zenith sonnet
They're still retesting with the new AGESA code, I think
ashen spindle
iirc they didnt hit thermal limits so it only affected temps
earnest osprey
Less expensive cooling to get the most out of your cpu
And lower electric bill lol
zenith sonnet
Well, higher temps also negatively affect power consumption
zenith sonnet
But it leads to lower junction temps
Which also means higher or more stable boost frequncies
ashen spindle
I mean the power consumption, I dont care if my cpu pulls 95 or 150 w
ashen spindle
sigh yes I do care if my cpu is broken, but I dont care about the actual spec of it
I'm using a big noctua cooler so it's a cool cpu anyway
but unlike gpus they dont clock lower if you are at 70C vs 40C or require tripples slot etc. so it's not that much of a factor to me
now happy? 
earnest osprey
I'm kind of hoping that a dual 120 with 4 fans will be enough that I can keep all the fans below audible
On a 3700x
zenith sonnet
You could get a passive cooler :p
Unless you do full load for hours
Under typical gaming, it won't even get close to 100W
Maybe 50-60W for single core load?
earnest osprey
It can't be much
zenith sonnet
We also haven't seen the 3800X yet
Same core count as the 3700X, same power budget as the 3900X
earnest osprey
It's just a 3700x with more breathing room
If there is enough difference, I can return it and upgrade haha
zenith sonnet
It might be much better binning
ashen spindle
I bet its just better binned cores and 1-200 mhz higher clocks at best
zenith sonnet
Since 3900X uses 2 chiplets, and the 3700X/3800X have one
I expect it to come out ahead of the 3900X in gaming, ever so slightly
zenith sonnet
That said, shouldn't it release on 7/7, too?
earnest osprey
I haven't seen it so apparently not
zenith sonnet
Did they just not send out 3800X review samples?
ashen spindle
amd only send out 3700x and 3900x samples
zenith sonnet
Delay it because of the boost issues?
ashen spindle
GN has a 3600 but from a 3rd party
earnest osprey
Derb8uer has a bunch of 3600s
ashen spindle
well hes also employee at a shop that sells them all lmao
earnest osprey
True
zenith sonnet
Have they been in stock anywhere yet?
earnest osprey
Newegg has it listed but not in stock
ashen spindle
caseking has a 3600 listed on the frontpage
zenith sonnet
Looking at mindfactory, they haven't had any stock either
They also sold out the 3900X, lol
zenith sonnet
Mindfactory has 3700X in stock, still
earnest osprey
Thank god I ordered mine right away
ashen spindle
I know yesterday and sunday they had at least some stock for all skus
zenith sonnet
I guess AMD just doesn't have enough highly binned chiplets for the 3800X yet
earnest osprey
That's kind of what I was thinking
zenith sonnet
Same reason we don't see the 3950X yet
pale sigil
that is coming sept
earnest osprey
3800x and 3950x will launch together cause they both probably use the same 8 core chiplet
pale sigil
aint it
ashen spindle
yes and no
zenith sonnet
3950X = sept
3800X = 7/7
ashen spindle
we dont see it because worse binning, but also because they first use them on epyc skus
zenith sonnet
I guess the highest binning goes to the 3950X, and the second highest to the 3800X (those that need a little more voltage to boost that high, since it has a lot more power budget)
Mindfactory sold 140 of the 3800X, 1200 of the 3700X and 700 of the 3900X
fickle ore
ashen spindle
that makes no sense 
fickle ore
wheat plume
"Zombieload" sounds like the name of a very strange horror porn movie
ashen spindle
earnest osprey
LOL
fickle ore
intel lost 5%gaming perf I guess they neeeeed redo benches
ashen spindle
dont think it has zombieload patches?
fickle ore
why not?
wheat plume
These have been out of date for about a week now -.- cmon maintainers, plz upgrade
ashen spindle
because I dont see it mentioned anywhere?
fickle ore
ashen spindle
?
fickle ore
it was announced the zombieload is delayed until after ryzen launches so as to try look better in benchmarks
guess this is it, looking through the cves
nvm its not
ashen spindle
yeah that wouldnt really make sense
intel and microsoft would get fined a lot for it
and microsoft wouldn't even benefit from it
and they also put blame on intel when they didnt sell as many unity bc intel cpu shortage
zenith sonnet
I wouldn't be surprised, lol
Although Microsoft would benefit more from 'helping' AMD, given they make their consoles
But who knows about the individual people behind it
ashen spindle
it wouldnt benefit anyone who would ahve authority to do so, and a rogue employee would lose his job very fast, since it wouldn't take long to figure out lmao
zenith sonnet
I dunno
I'd expect a slap on the wrist, knowing the corporate environment
Hmm, looking through the thread, some other guy mentioned the issues Zen 2 had with the Nvidia drivers
fickle ore
nvidia drivers :''(
fickle ore
ive complained about nvidia drivers before
ashen spindle
tbf drivers were out before the product, incompability issues firstly lie on amds side there
fickle ore
could be issues
fickle ore
either way Im getting amd gpu + amd cpu
zenith sonnet
Safest bet
fickle ore
Yeah its time
zenith sonnet
Anti-Lag is god like
fickle ore
question is 5700 or 5700xt?
ashen spindle
I feel like right now almost any combo is fine, mostly depending on what pricing your are has/what aib gpu you can get
ashen spindle
xt because its just 50 more and 5700 is artifically locked from oc'ing it to xt levels
zenith sonnet
XT and UV
The XT gets more performance from UV than OC
Almost every reviewer tried to OC, barely anybody tried UV
And bench the latter
ashen spindle
I'd assume anandtech/GN and some other will test UV since they did it for vega too
fickle ore
nvidia has issues with hyperthreading enabled on intel, might be causing the whea errors/fps slowdown vs amd gpu, if its got problems with SMT aswell. Can't test cause dont own but I have suspicion
zenith sonnet
The WHEA errors was Nvidia card + Zen 2
zenith sonnet
Which caused bad boost behaviour and might have held it back vs the Intel CPUs
Well, screw Nvidia
ashen spindle
did't we already go over this months ago and the "issues" were something that was in the nanoseconds area?
zenith sonnet
Their drivers haven't been too great in the past year or two or three
fickle ore
nanoseconds matter alot
ashen spindle
they are better than amd on release at least
ashen spindle
sure but it ended up being less than 1 fps so idk if its worth talking about honestly, unless you do something that sensitive to extra time
zenith sonnet
AMD doesn't have any bundled crap
fickle ore
wat
zenith sonnet
AMD asks if you want ReLive, default is opt out
Other than that, it's the driver, the control panel and the problem reporting wizard
They were never ready for DX12
earnest osprey
I never update drivers lol.
zenith sonnet
I got the 19.7.1 driver hours after release :p
fickle ore
what's funny is how nvidia pcie 3.0 gpu's cause 600us spikes on a pcie 2.0 system vs 60us on a 3.0 pcie system. And they never fixed that so who knows what issues they got with 4.0 system
earnest osprey
good thing I stuck with x470
zenith sonnet
They probably won't fix those issues until Intel asks them to 🤔
ashen spindle
if they have more consistent frametimes it really doesnt matter I'd say 
zenith sonnet
That's really, totally, a per game, per system, per whatever issue
I haven't seen a pattern yet
ashen spindle
also I never heared of those pcie3 related spikes, or if they matter for anything
zenith sonnet
Frametime/spikes, one benchmark, one game, to the next, are all over the place