🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

could also be he got them from somewhere else or so

but all we will get before the release will be numbers without full context, and that means they wont mean anything since we already know base clock etc now

[zenith sonnet]

I really hope non-OC benchmarks pair the Ryzen with DDR4 3200 as per official support

Also, motherboard reviews is gonna be a pain to skim through

[ashen spindle]

eh, we need someone to test scaling, then see if its consistent so for other reviews you only need to look at the mem clock to know everything

[zenith sonnet]

I wonder if that 3733MHz thing is going to be a problem

[ashen spindle]

at least 90% of mobos or so can be reviewed already at least, so after prices are out that will goa bit faster

how so?

[zenith sonnet]

Apparently it switches to a 2:1 mode or something if you go higher, and it's like running half speed, since it only operates every other clock?

I don't really know much about the issue

[ashen spindle]

ah, ye infinity clock scales 1:1 with ram speeds till that point

after that it halves it

so you get worse performance from the cpu till maybe you are at 5000+ again

[wheat plume]

How TF does this channel always come back to CPUs??

[ashen spindle]

I mean we get the probably most important cpu release next month?

and from a pc hardware perspective its the only interesting thing currently happening, nothing big in GPUs until big navi or nvidia next year (or I guess the refresh later)

[pale sigil]

Cos

[wheat plume]

True true

[pale sigil]

It’s tech

[zenith sonnet]

Right
Nvidia Super on Friday

[pale sigil]

My new phone any day now

[zenith sonnet]

Thursday?

Eww, phones

Get out

[ashen spindle]

friday I think

but, that too is not comfirmed

[pale sigil]

Fuck off m8

[zenith sonnet]

Lol
Such a shoddy scheme

Posting a contentless video a month earlier

[ashen spindle]

yea tell that M8 phone to f off

well it was a reaction to navi

if Navi was more they prob would have already showng Super at E3

[zenith sonnet]

Is anything happening on the DRAM market?

[ashen spindle]

prices still falling

[zenith sonnet]

Good, good

[ashen spindle]

gddr7/hbm3 no clue

[pale sigil]

Still overpriced

[zenith sonnet]

I think they wanted to make it lok like they had an answer to Navi already ready

[pale sigil]

I just want a cpu that plays nice

[zenith sonnet]

And then see how it performs

And Navi went better than expected

[ashen spindle]

I mean they have, reduce turing prices and you're good, even without a refresh

I think if amd showed something rivaling a 2080 they would've dropped it sooner

[zenith sonnet]

That would be messed up
I'd demend a refund on my VII :p

Navi is already uncomfortably close being 300€ cheaper

Then again, 16 GiB HBM2

[ashen spindle]

also GCN is miles better for ML and co

whilst RDNA is offering more parallel core options which is better for graphics programms

[zenith sonnet]

I need Ryzen to even get the VII to run at full throttle

Still not sure what it can actually do

Outside of Ashes benchmark

[ashen spindle]

tbh the fact they tried to market people PCIe 4 as something they needed to market for navi I kinda knew it wont be that great

[zenith sonnet]

It sounds new

Fits the new arch scheme

PCIe4 is more interesting for storage/ IO right now

[ashen spindle]

yea but they showed more of it during navi than during zen presentation lmao

[zenith sonnet]

They didn't show crossfire

[ashen spindle]

I mean even pcie3 isnt saturated by crossfire so..

[zenith sonnet]

True

Is it dead yet?

SLI also needs to die

Giant monolithic GPUs, ho!

[ashen spindle]

I mean, for a lot more ram NVlink is still usefull so it wont ever go away

[zenith sonnet]

How many cores do the 2080/TI have?

[ashen spindle]

0 bc they aren't technically cores

[zenith sonnet]

They should have cores

Navi has 40, Vega has 64

[ashen spindle]

those are streaming-processors

and work very different from what nvidia call cuda cores

[zenith sonnet]

Nope, cores, or CUs, as they call them

[pale sigil]

Guys

Guys

I have s solution

[ashen spindle]

I mean they have over 2000 of them, there is no way they are the same lul

on any rtx

[zenith sonnet]

Those aren't cores :p

But they should be arranged in cores

@pale sigil Yeah?

[ashen spindle]

oh wait it was compute units for the 64/40 ones

oh not its called Control Unit

64 control units, 4000ish stream processors

[pale sigil]

Just like

Don’t overthink it xD

[ashen spindle]

either way, multi gpu connections wont go awy even after all 3 companies go to chiplet designs

not really much thinking involved if they all have names and descriptions I couldnt all remember

[zenith sonnet]

I'm still excited for the new drivers

Hope Vega gets the goodies too

[pale sigil]

Phone comes tomorrow

[wheat plume]

Yay!!

Ohhh
What

[pale sigil]

Ye

It was always pointless

2 different apps did the same job

[wheat plume]

Hmm

I want Android Q so badly

[pale sigil]

One thing Ive noticed about buying a new Chinese phone is lack of products like tampered glass etc

With no reviews lol

[wheat plume]

accesories?

yeh, true

my phone carrier actually sell some Xiaomi phones

thats where I got the Mix 2S

so I can go into a store from them and get a case and glass protector

they sell the Mix 2S, Redmi Note 5 Pro (3gb version) and the redmi 6

[pale sigil]

Luckily the k20 is the same

[wheat plume]

oo?

[pale sigil]

The m9t is literally the k20

So I can use the same accessories

[wheat plume]

yup

[pale sigil]

Ye I’m one of those wallet guys

[wheat plume]

I had a case like that for my Lumia 640. It replaced the back cover of the phone and you flipped it over the screen and there was a card slot too

I liked that case, it didnt make the phone thicker because it replaced the back panel

[pale sigil]

They truly protect the phone

You can throw it and you’ll be golden

[wheat plume]

dammn

[latent mural]

Are those the new symbols?

Why 2 sets though?

[wheat plume]

Yeah, Mozilla want to rebrand all the firefox related things under the name Firefox

So these are two sets of possible icons for the services

[latent mural]

Did Thunderbird get a new icon

[wheat plume]

idk

I have it installed but I use an icon theme

[zenith sonnet]

@latent mural
LG 27GL850
My new hope 😃

[wheat plume]

You can FINALLY DISABLE scrollbars in Chrome :DDD
You can make them auto hide after you stop scrolling so you wont have ugly ass scrollbars always on the screen

[latent mural]

Imagine having an ultrawide

[wheat plume]

I had one

[latent mural]

And complaining about 15 missing pixels

[wheat plume]

until my aunt decided she should break it by throwing it down the stairs because I was not studying at half 11 at night

[latent mural]

Oof

[wheat plume]

-.-

[latent mural]

Nice

Why is your aunt in a position where she can do that

[wheat plume]

cause she a fucking lunatic

mom said she would pay for half of the cost to buy a new one for me

she got so pissed off at my aunt

[latent mural]

If she is always following her duty i am sure she could pay the full price

Wtf

[wheat plume]

IKR

[latent mural]

Why only half the cost

[wheat plume]

cause import fees and shipping costs

[latent mural]

And?

You paid those before

[wheat plume]

she will pay for those

[latent mural]

Why should you pay them again

[wheat plume]

and some of the monitor costs

[latent mural]

Just because somebody broke your stuff

[wheat plume]

you must pay them for each item you bring into Ireland

-.-

you have two items in one shipment? pay import fees for both

[latent mural]

She could pay them

Since she broke it

[wheat plume]

WE are trying to get her to give me the money for it

not working

[latent mural]

Yea

Then just don't have her in your life

[wheat plume]

shes going off on a rant how I should be studying until midnight each night if I really care about my education

[latent mural]

Or does she have a serious illness

[wheat plume]

I think she does after seeing how shit I do in college

[zenith sonnet]

Study late evening until midnight to shut her up 🤔

[latent mural]

Tbh i'd just completely stop contact

[zenith sonnet]

If this is a common theme, then yeah...
But if Lana's mother doesn't cut contact as well, it might not work out

[wheat plume]

Yeah....

thats the point

[zenith sonnet]

And cutting contact to your sister is a big step

[wheat plume]

my uncle and aunt stay here each weekend too

[latent mural]

They sound like leeches

[wheat plume]

they live between the house they rent during summer and the house they have in a town an hour and a half away from here

and here in the weekends

[latent mural]

Wtf

[fickle ore]

let me ask you

why did you not throw your aunt down the stairs?

[zenith sonnet]

"go pick that up"

[fickle ore]

Don't let other people treat your stuff that way

throw them instead

[wheat plume]

yes, throw her down the stairs

[solar hinge]

but throwing is only half of the satisfaction you get from stabbing

[wheat plume]

xd

[solar hinge]

a stabbing a day, keeps the aunty away

[wheat plume]

😂

[ashen spindle]

https://xkcd.com/2161

xkcd: An Apple a Day

Even the powerful, tart Granny Smith cultivar is proving ineffective against new Gran-negative doctors.

[wheat plume]

xd

[plush summit]

XD

nice

[urban salmon]

dont buy this cuntboard

[wheat plume]

Ew

[plush summit]

Ew

[solar hinge]

i'd prefer it over a razor board though

[fallow bison]

Wooting better use those fire keycaps

[feral jolt]

Marketed towards semi literate construction workers and toddlers

[zenith sonnet]

And old people, who need the contrast to see?

[pale sigil]

New phone tomorrow

[zenith sonnet]

No tech news today? :(

Me sad

Is that a turblowjob?

My eyes hurt

[feral jolt]

Nothing new

AMD and Intel have shown their hands

OH

Nvidia released msrp prices for super

They aren't bad but aren't good

[ashen spindle]

they really released, its a rumor

[feral jolt]

I think a lot of price rumors are intentionally released to gauge public opinion

[ashen spindle]

prices for gpus are often decided the day they are released or maybe a day before

rtx prices were decided on the day before the announcement

[feral jolt]

But yeah technically not a price release just a leak

I'd expect the actual prices to be close to the leak price though

[pale sigil]

How far we’ve come

My first android phone

Before that I was using Sony Walkman and then before that Nokia 5146

Oh and the 6310

[zenith sonnet]

Well, tomorrow is the day we see if Super is actually worthwhile, or just a rebrand to keep up with the 5700 XT :p

[ashen spindle]

I mean just a little price drop or shifting gpu dies to lower prices (same thing in the end) makes it better than amd for almost everything

with current positoning, amd only barely has an advantage in certain games

but tbh I really dont care that much about it, I really just want next years nvidia gpus tbh

7nm might bring us something similar in price/perforamce as pascal and goo power efficiency

and matured RT cores and such

[zenith sonnet]

From the looks of it, Nvidia will havr to drop the MSRP of the 2070 to 400$ for it to match the 5700 XT on price/performance

[ashen spindle]

well thats what the 2060 super could end up, with performance of a 2070+ maybe better memory or so

[zenith sonnet]

RT is a gimmick at the current resolution
AMDs ray traced audio is 1000% more useful, imo

[ashen spindle]

sure but it uses the same math and thus be better on nvidia cards with RT cores if implementations make use of them

[zenith sonnet]

What uses the same math?

[earnest osprey]

sound and light are both waves

[zenith sonnet]

Yeah
AMD ditched the true audio hardware 1 gen later, and it's now software side, available on all platforms and to all manufacturers

[ashen spindle]

the way you calculate light ray bounces and audio waves bouncing in an area is most effective if done via Tensor Matrix operations, which is what rt cores are specialized for

so it'd come down to optimizing it for what is basically custom hardware and you will have huge gains/way less performance impact

[earnest osprey]

audio probably doesn't need nearly the sample rate or resolution as light though

[zenith sonnet]

There's no need for RT cores for audio
It used to be a tiny chip on the 290X

[ashen spindle]

sure, but if you already have hardware for it why not use it

could probably be done like using Hairworks or something like that in engines

[zenith sonnet]

I feel like Nvidia will ditch RT cores in 2 gens

[ashen spindle]

how come

if it would only be for RTX sure, but in the end they are basically there bc they are used on enterprise/workstation cards

so completely removing them would limit sales for people who aren't the target of quadros once blender/3dsmax/maya/etc. implement them internally

[zenith sonnet]

It's too expensive to dedicate that much die space to specialised cores, unless the majority of games use it

At least in consumer graphics cards

[ashen spindle]

eh, just do it like Zen 2 and have them split up more

tbh I kinda guessed Navi would be where we see chiplet design on gpus for the first time

[earnest osprey]

laughs in vega

vega has chiplets

[zenith sonnet]

Does my VII have them?

[earnest osprey]

yes

[zenith sonnet]

TIL

[ashen spindle]

ehh I mean for the gpu itself, not gpu/hbm chiplets

[earnest osprey]

Still.

that would be a lot of chiplets I suppose

[ashen spindle]

yes sure technically they are, but not in a way like zen does it for scalability

I meant more like zen cpus for potentially bigger gpus that arent massive like turing and thus end up more expensive to make and hit physical limits first

[earnest osprey]

maybe 16 sps per chiplet?

or something?

I imagine it's not as simple or it would have been done sooner

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah, just since we have ryzen as a working example, and nvidia already having papers on how to advance beyond monolithic chips published years ago, I was guessing navi would go a similar route

since GCN was limiting them for graphics results, so they needed something new, so I thought maybe they'll use the same approach

[earnest osprey]

That is to be seen I suppose

[ashen spindle]

well from what we know it doesnt look like its something they could do with the current navi chips, but maybe we'll get some more info during Hotchips

maybe intel will be the first to do it for gpus lul

would be funny to see

I really want "Best system in 2020 is an amd cpu with intel gpu" to be true for the memes

[earnest osprey]

cpu with a igpu chiplet

here we go

intel is really good at stealing all the big gpu people right after a major innovation

[ashen spindle]

tbh at this point I'm just waiting for them to mess up and steal someone from the intel cpu teams

if the product is half as good as the people they get on board for marketing, pr etc. we'll get some good competition at least

[zenith sonnet]

Navi is still half GCN, half RDNA
Maybe we'll see more advances next gen with 100% RDNA arch

[feral jolt]

ray tracing is useless until more programs support it

but i imagine cyberpunk will be a top selling game and also support ray tracing

[ashen spindle]

well yeah thats why I want more matured rt cores bc they'll then eat less performance and more titles will support it by then

[feral jolt]

oh yeah theres already a video form nvidia about ray tracing in cyberpunk

[ashen spindle]

ye

[zenith sonnet]

I have a feeling it'll be one of those games that'll never run well no matter what you do

[ashen spindle]

doubt it, witcher 3 ran quite nice at just about every point in the game

[feral jolt]

anyone can adjust settings to make a game run nice

[timid chasm]

ARK used to run like ass. Not sure what it's like now

[zenith sonnet]

Still ass

Most AAA titles run like crap on any settings :/

Or, well, half of them

At least

[feral jolt]

probably because you love your amd processors when most games aren't optimized for more than 4 threads

my friend with a 2700x gets 30% cpu max use on unreal engine games

[feral jolt]

i only get about 60% on my 4c8t 6700k

[reef patrol]

[latent mural]

can confirm the 6700k statement

[pale sigil]

My 7700k sometimes hates unreal games

[pale sigil]

This hurts to look at

[feral jolt]

need a fix?

no you need a new computer lol

rip that board

guess its a good advertisement, that fix would probably cost 1000 bucks

[zenith sonnet]

@feral jolt I have an intel CPU...

And even old shit like BL2 frequently drops below 60 FPS, even after ini editing to disable shadows and other CPU-intense settings

[feral jolt]

could it be that game is poorly optimized?

[timid chasm]

Not sure what the relevancy of the 30% and 60% statements are though

[feral jolt]

its that more cores isnt more gaming performance

[timid chasm]

I don't think % usages equals performance or optimization but ok

[feral jolt]

well if you have a high framerate monitor and are unable to run it at max framerate with a top dollar cpu as the bottleneck its kinda sad

[timid chasm]

that's easy to do with most cpus unless you're doing an esports title

[feral jolt]

wat? esports titles are generally made to have excellent framerates

[timid chasm]

yea...it's easy to be unable to hit high framerates unless its an esports title

[feral jolt]

oh right derp

[zenith sonnet]

In fact, even eSports titles are sometimes weird

The big issue is, that your framerates often vary by a factor of 2-3 depending on where you are or which direction you face

That said, my CPU can maintain solid 60+ FPS in only a handful of games, let alone 120+...

In Apex Legends, which is an eSports title, my FPS fluctuated between 70 and 140+

On low settings

[pale sigil]

[plush summit]

nice

alright @spiral belfry place ur bets on how long it will last till it breaks with callums luck

SSSsss

KABOOM

[pale sigil]

My only issue is that the charger is Europe which I knew was going to happen but still a little disappointed haha

[plush summit]

XD

[pale sigil]

I hate using converters

It’s like when going to smear

America

Have to pack a million converters

[plush summit]

yeah

[pale sigil]

I use a multi USB plug anyway but it doesn’t have fast charge

[plush summit]

idk why its so hard ti agree on a universal standard

[pale sigil]

It took ages just for them to get charger standards

[plush summit]

so why tf arent we doing that now

[pale sigil]

I think he means currently

After all this time

I mean

Charger standards was kinda overnight

But ye I know

Isn’t easy

Idk why I’m doing this because phones these days you don’t have to charge before turning on but I’m charging it to 80% first as I’m paranoid xD

European plug is stupid

US plugs always look like their crying ;-;

[earnest osprey]

Yeah uh US plugs suck

And I live here

[pale sigil]

Idk if I can wait half an hour

For it to hit 80%

I’m full tinfoil atm even though I know it won’t make a difference

It’s long

2 pointy fuckers

And I’m pretty sure the output is much much much lower like the US

It’s not remotely the same as the UK

Masterpiece

Not all plugs are like that hehe

Standing on Lego is still worse

[spiral belfry]

Right, I have something to say about these plugs, I have worked with both American style and the UK one, the American style sucks as 99% of the time when i plugged something in, I got shocked, and I am yet to get shocked on the UK one, so design wise the UK one is superior than the US one. honestly, if you step on it, then you are just blind XD

and @plush summit 5 minutes

[feral jolt]

I cant say I have an issue with us plugs besides it not having the ground on every socket

[plush summit]

XD

[feral jolt]

Do you touch the metal as you plug it in???

[earnest osprey]

I mean, I have never shocked myself with a us plug and it's been 23 years

[feral jolt]

How do you get shocked honestly

[spiral belfry]

I hated my time in america, every time I switched on a light, everytime I plugged something in, I got shocked basically their electric standards suck ass

[plush summit]

ikr

[spiral belfry]

I am going back to the US next year, dreading taking anything electrical XD

might need rubber gloves

[plush summit]

XD

[ashen spindle]

I had that problem only due to humidity in Georgia when I had to touch the doorhandle lol never with the electric outlets themself

[feral jolt]

Something is fundamentally wrong there and it isn't our sockets or plugs or light switches

[spiral belfry]

I was in Colorado early this year, next year New York, so lets hope its different

[plush summit]

maybe u should use the plugs over here to ur advantage @spiral belfry

[spiral belfry]

@plush summit where is over here?

[plush summit]

would stop the suffering of setting up the server XD

Namerica

[pale sigil]

I was gonna leave the cover on till my protector comes later... ye no

Why can’t you just be clear like other phones xD

[plush summit]

XD

[spiral belfry]

if I was in america and these servers had issues again, I will just shove my finger on the light switch and turn it on and just die of shock XD

[plush summit]

XD

[feral jolt]

I dont think I've ever been shocked by a light switch or socket

[plush summit]

hows it going btw.....new panel work?

[feral jolt]

And lived in the us 26 years

[spiral belfry]

maybe you are just used to it?

like I have many complaints about American life, I could be here for hours complaining XD

[plush summit]

ive been shocked befor with the plugs

[feral jolt]

Yeah being American gives me 120 volts electric resistance

[spiral belfry]

isnt american lower than europe? I forget

yeah, you have 120v we have 230v XD

how the fuck do you guys fuck up so much on design to give people shocks, is it that people arent shocked enough about how that country runs already?

[feral jolt]

We have 220v as well for certain applications

I dont get shocked though

[spiral belfry]

@digital cliff ohhh, I do that enough with my boyfriend XD

[ashen spindle]

yea let's start an actual war instead

[spiral belfry]

I will just stop here though, so I wont do a america and start a war XD

[feral jolt]

I just dont get how touching a plastic light switch shocks someone

[spiral belfry]

who said anything about it being plastic? but yeah I do get shocked by them also

[latent mural]

Are they maybe touching the pins in the front when plugging it in?

[spiral belfry]

@latent mural I'm not that stupid XD

[latent mural]

Ok?

Wtf

[pale sigil]

The war for unity

[latent mural]

Type f and type g plug are the best design wise

[spiral belfry]

The only time I got a shock from a UK socket, is shoving a screwdriver into it

[latent mural]

A combination of both would be best imo

[feral jolt]

Like every single plug I've ever touched is surrounded in rubber or plastic. You hold it by the insulation and put it in the wall and dont get shocked

[spiral belfry]

clearly the standards in America, are less standards than they are best practise XD

wait, why do you need insulation on a light switch???? I see a problem there anyway

[latent mural]

Wait what

[spiral belfry]

??

[feral jolt]

Plastic is an electrical insulator

[spiral belfry]

the Rubber

since when do you need that

[feral jolt]

Rubber or plastic

[latent mural]

Well

You have the cover etc of course

[spiral belfry]

yeah, but rubber?

[earnest osprey]

Pvc usually

[latent mural]

Tbh idfk what a typical modern light switch in the us is built like

I only know german ones

[spiral belfry]

I aint saying anything about plastic, as that is what I have in my house (guess what, never got shocked)

[latent mural]

I mean

[spiral belfry]

I blame America for wanting to kill me

[latent mural]

If you know what you are doing you can change them how you want

[feral jolt]

I was talking about plugs some of then use rubber not light switches

[pale sigil]

SIM card flew across the room

[plush summit]

XD

[feral jolt]

Twisting my words

[earnest osprey]

It's easier to put your hands a bit too close to the metal part, but it's not hard to not put your hands too close to the metal

[latent mural]

How do they use rubber?

You mean as covers for the holes?

[spiral belfry]

@feral jolt would be best, if you dont want people to get confused, state what you are on about, read what you said and you can see where you can get confused

[earnest osprey]

The plastic body of the plug

[spiral belfry]

@earnest osprey I only plug in with the plastic XD

no matter what way I plugged it in, I got shocked

[latent mural]

Rip

[spiral belfry]

@proud nacelle AGREED

[latent mural]

How are your fuses?

[earnest osprey]

Sounds more like that building wasn't wired by a licensed electrician

[spiral belfry]

it was a hotel, so I would hope it was

[latent mural]

Tbh

[earnest osprey]

It probably wasn't

[pale sigil]

Well then it comes with a case there really damn impressive quality

[spiral belfry]

ok, theres another problem then

HOW IS THAT A THING

[latent mural]

If you wanna fuck up wiring up wall sockets you have to be a retard here

It is 3 wires

[feral jolt]

This is a dumb conversation I'm out

[latent mural]

2 don't really matter where they go

[spiral belfry]

@feral jolt I see you typing 😛

but anyway, toddles need to play with servers again

[latent mural]

?

Oh

You mean no open contacts

Having a recessed plug socket also helps

Yea

Yes

You can rip the wires out the plug

Ye

Type g isn't recessed

But much better

The uk one

[spiral belfry]

The only plugs I agree with are D,E,F,G and K

as they seem more secure and are less prone to shocks

surge protection

shove a toaster into a bath while its running and see what happens

[earnest osprey]

Gfcis are usually in public bathrooms by the sink

Homes rarely have them here

[spiral belfry]

agreed

[earnest osprey]

You could probably make a slightly safer plug that would fit in us outlets

But it would be annoying to make

Spending money on safety? Pshh

[spiral belfry]

@proud nacelle lets be honest, its the money side

money over safety = America

XD

wasnt going to say it but thanks

XD

@proud nacelle we do, I hate how strict the H&S is here

but it just gives me more rules to break XD

like, cutting a phone charge cable and then just wrapping the cable around 2 metal prongs of a fan and hoping it doesnt short and cause fire XD

😛

oh I have done worse XD

yes, i do have a deathwish 😂

well, its a hobby

I make no money off it

[pale sigil]

Tis gonna take me some time getting used to no phystal buttons

[spiral belfry]

if anything, lose money

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume gimmi suggestions

[spiral belfry]

XD what you mean, kill myself

doesnt mean I am doing it for servers

I would though, recommend not copying me, leave the stupidity of deadly stuff to the professionals XD

[pale sigil]

My godi missed multi apps

[spiral belfry]

😛 I do though

I work for noone 😛 so that doesnt apply to me XD

[pale sigil]

OK

But I think living where he lives is punishment enough

[spiral belfry]

OI

coming from a liverpool man

XD

[pale sigil]

I don't live in Liverpool though

[spiral belfry]

close enough

[pale sigil]

I literally don't

[spiral belfry]

yes, yes you do

right, back to server stuff
(basically, back to my cave)

[pale sigil]

Mate

I live on the border

Literally next a sign saying leaving Merseyside

Getting used to swift keyboard again after getting used to ios is aids

[spiral belfry]

@pale sigil MERSEYSIDE 😂 that explains a lot

😂

[pale sigil]

Wot 4% in 53 min is madness

Nvm

[plush summit]

lol

[pale sigil]

OK I'm starting to love gestures @wheat plume

[wheat plume]

says that but shows a screenshot with the navbar enabled

you if want to see the icons for notifications, you can enable that in settings

instead of having that "..." on the right of the status bar

[spiral belfry]

@pale sigil 2002 called, they want their nav bar back

[pale sigil]

What's wrong with nav bars

Lana

Why can't I change to high gps

High accuracy

[wheat plume]

open an app that uses GPS also like google maps and itll ask you to enable it

Also, if you meant the nav gestures, you aint using them xd

so you cant say you love them !

[pale sigil]

Ye I was playing a game

Omg

No nav bar is hard

[wheat plume]

wait , what MIUI version you on? I see dark theme!

[pale sigil]

10

[wheat plume]

yeh...but what version of 10?

[pale sigil]

Idk how to take a screenshot

Now that I disabled nav

XD

[wheat plume]

power button + volume down

or you can enable 3 finger swipe to take a screenshot

[wheat plume]

Ohhh dark mode in stable now! That's awesome

Do the software update !

[pale sigil]

Make me

[wheat plume]

-.-

[pale sigil]

Getting used to gestures is hard

So is using the phone with 2 handsn

I'm used to using it with ineb

[wheat plume]

I prefer them now that im used to them

i can use my phone one handed

[wheat plume]

Does your notice shade have the blur in dark mode like it does have in light theme?

Mine has no blur ;_

[pale sigil]

I keep doing that

It's bugging men

Oml

It's so difficult to use this phone

[wheat plume]

The back gestures is how I found out you can swipe a message on WhatsApp to reply to it

[pale sigil]

With big hands

My fingers hurt

[wheat plume]

Oo

Use the navbar then

[pale sigil]

I can't grab the phone with one hand and type

Nah its the typing that's hard

[wheat plume]

Ahh

[pale sigil]

Like I struggle to grip the phone

Actually lana

While you're here

Can you upload vanced apk and it's dependencyn

The download links go to Google drive and keeps erroring

And I'm not at my desktop rn

[wheat plume]

the download links on the website are direct downloads

you non rooted?

https://youtubevanced.com/non-root install MicroG from this page also first

before the youtube vanced apk

click the name itll download it

it doesnt take you to google drive

[pale sigil]

I'm not on my desktop

Which is why I'm asking for a mirror

[wheat plume]

it does the same on phone

unless they changed it in the last 3 days

do you want dark or black theme?

wait, I cant upload them , the file size limit is 8mb ;-;

does google drive not work? or does that link not work?

[pale sigil]

Nvm

[wheat plume]

huh?

[pale sigil]

The actual download buttons are Google drive linksn

But the version numbers are apk link

S

[wheat plume]

you click the file name on the download page

and its direct link

[pale sigil]

Why can't I disable YouTubeeeeeeeeeeeeee

At least with Samsung you can disable

Meh

[wheat plume]

you can turn off notifications and also force quit

and set it to not open links

[pale sigil]

Miui i still love yiu

As beautiful as always

I missed irn

[wheat plume]

MIUI is nice but I wish it looked like Stock android Q

[pale sigil]

Last version i used was 4 I think

[wheat plume]

WOAH

i have used only 9 and 10

my phone will be getting 11 though it seems so thats nice

[pale sigil]

And 5

After that they didn't support many phones

[wheat plume]

i cant wait for 11

I heard its a totally new design

:DD

the apps on 10 seem a bit oldish to me

like the dialer app

[pale sigil]

Stock is overrated

[wheat plume]

except in dark theme

boi I LOVE the material design refresh

the one that hit Android P and Q now

[pale sigil]

Never liked stock

Tbh

Ever

[wheat plume]

interestig

[pale sigil]

Especially jelly bean

Couldn't stand it

[wheat plume]

oh yeh

[pale sigil]

That notification sound gives me ptsd

[wheat plume]

any version before the material design is so ugly

i dont remember the noise

i still want to know wtf Q will stand for

cause there is not many desert that start with Q

[pale sigil]

I will miss Samsungs anti fraud thing

Stopped spanners from ringing you etc

Similar to pixels thing

[wheat plume]

oo

[pale sigil]

What's xiaomi phones like when it comes to boot loaders etc

[wheat plume]

pretty ok

you can use their flash tool to unlock it

it only works on windows -.-

but its nice and quick

[pale sigil]

Also you should use poco launcher

[wheat plume]

I like keeping the apps on my home screen
it means that the home animation does the full cycle and the app changes into the icon on the home screen

[ashen spindle]

where do you use your phone number that you need stuff to block spam callers

[wheat plume]

im glad we dont have much spam calls in ireland

or at least I havent gotten any in like 4 years

[pale sigil]

I mean

[wheat plume]

Xiaomi are pretty solid devices to put custom roms on

[pale sigil]

My number is everywhere

Sadly

[wheat plume]

oo

[pale sigil]

And is public knowledge due to voting

[ashen spindle]

what

[wheat plume]

voting?

how

[pale sigil]

When you vote

You get put on the public voting list

[reef patrol]

Fun.

My phone number is unlisted.

[pale sigil]

But in general shitty choices alsln

My number is very very oldn

[reef patrol]

Mines also ancient. It's easy to remember for me and others due to the pattern.

[pale sigil]

I can't get enough of the ultrawide aspect

[solar hinge]

@pale sigil this was my original smart phone
motorola atrix (original)
https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net/newman/csz/news/800/2011/motorolaatrix.jpg

[pale sigil]

I said a android phone

Not smart phone

[wheat plume]

I like the wallpaper

[pale sigil]

Oh noes

[solar hinge]

it has android 😄

[pale sigil]

Ye ik

[wheat plume]

what is the aspect ratio?

18:9?

oh

19.5:9

[pale sigil]

I've had a fucked battery for so long idk what's good or not anymore

[solar hinge]

you got the k20 right?

[wheat plume]

yeh , technically its the Mi 9T but I tihnk K20 is the name for UK and europe

[pale sigil]

4000mh

[feral jolt]

just ran userbenchmark for shits and gigs

says my cpu is 98th percentile and my gpu is 9th percentile lol

i have a b-stock 980 ti must have been a real shitter

[solar hinge]

i'm most likely still going to get the oneplus 7 pro :p @wheat plume

[wheat plume]

2large4me

[solar hinge]

i know, but i spoke with t-mobile, super unlikely that they'll get xiaomi phones 😦

[feral jolt]

is there a good gpu specific benchmark

[crimson wigeon]

Fuck OP, they never fixed the data corruption bug with Pie firmware and stupid me went to update and now I'm having to spend a lot of time setting everything up again

[solar hinge]

which phone do you have @crimson wigeon ?

[crimson wigeon]

OnePlus 3T

[wheat plume]

😮

[solar hinge]

i have had issues with my mi 5 as well

sometimes it just crashes

if it happens two times within ten minutes, a bunch of settings get reset

[crimson wigeon]

Especially looking forward to the hassle of all the 2FA garbage

[pale sigil]

Zoomed in hard and still looks great

[wheat plume]

the last beta update I got on MIUI makes snapchat and reddit crash randomly on me

they never did that before

aww ❤ cutey doggo

[pale sigil]

I keep going to tap my home button

Can custom icons be used in miui @wheat plume

[wheat plume]

Yeh , you can download themes from the theme store that you like the icons for and then go to the customise theme option and only change the icons to the ones you like

or you can install a launcher and get any pack from the Play Store

I tihnk the Poco Launcher lets you use custom packs from the Store

[solar hinge]

i like miui

[wheat plume]

^^

[solar hinge]

my mom wants a xiaomi phone again because of miui 😄

[wheat plume]

:DD

[solar hinge]

she now has the nokia 6

[wheat plume]

I think my mom liked it better too

[solar hinge]

but you can't use themes there :p

[wheat plume]

you can, set your region to India or Hong Kong

I have mine to India

it also lets you use Face unlock

[solar hinge]

on the nokia 6

[wheat plume]

ooohhhhh

right yeh

[solar hinge]

i think their is a rom for it though

but toooo much effort :p

[wheat plume]

😛 AOSP Extended is a nice ROM

it is stock android with a lot of features that should be in stock android

[solar hinge]

but she wants her transformer theme again :p

[wheat plume]

transformer theme?

oh gosh no

[solar hinge]

you swipe bumblebees face down to unluck 😄

[solar hinge]

i believe it was called transformers

she still has her old phone, next time i'm there i'll take a video

[wheat plume]

o ok xd

I found a theme called Simple Penetration

it isnt a bad theme tbh

😂

Simple penetration

[solar hinge]

what's the icon again for themes again?

can't find it 😄

[solar hinge]

ow not supported for my region

that's new :p

[wheat plume]

Change to India

If you change to India you can also change the system font

idk why you cant do that in other regions

[solar hinge]

because they're racist against non-asians :p

[pale sigil]

Guess this is an issue I'll be facing

Xzd

[wheat plume]

huh?

some games cant even do 18:9

[pale sigil]

I don't see a theme shop

[wheat plume]

they would struggle with 19.5:9

CHANGE TO INDIA!!

[pale sigil]

Make mee!

[wheat plume]

I cant but then NO THEMES FOR YOU!!!

[pale sigil]

Oh noes

I have loads of bloat now

Now

[wheat plume]

you can uninstall

hold down empty spot on home screen and tap the ones you wanna uninstall

then drag them to the top to uninstall them

[pale sigil]

I god no

[solar hinge]

just change region again and they disappeared

disappear

but for some reason, i can't actually search in the themes

app

[wheat plume]

oh?

[solar hinge]

everything shows as "unable to connect"

[wheat plume]

I wasnt able to search in the themes app when set to India but could search on Hong Kong

but this new beta update made the Opposite happen

[solar hinge]

no searching for indians i guess :p

[wheat plume]

you can on this beta build

but now not on hong kong

xd

[solar hinge]

i never use their beta :p

[wheat plume]

dont bother now

its ending the 1st

[solar hinge]

yup

tomorrow i'll be getting the expense code to get my new phone so :p

[pale sigil]

We IOS now bois

[solar hinge]

full of bloat?

[wheat plume]

shudders

[pale sigil]

Actually pretty good haha

[solar hinge]

what?

[pale sigil]

With how similar it is

[wheat plume]

how did you get the weahter on the lock screen?

[solar hinge]

it's in the settings mide :p

mode

[wheat plume]

?

[pale sigil]

Rate my iPhone X platinum

[solar hinge]

no, lock screen setting

[pale sigil]

I can really feel the 1080p coming from 1400p

[wheat plume]

Nah mate

[pale sigil]

It's the theme

[wheat plume]

ooohh

[solar hinge]

you had 1400p before?

[pale sigil]

Ye

I like this one a lot

Better pic would be needed tho

[wheat plume]

i really love the default lockscreen tbh

You still didnt answer my question, does your notification panel have the backgroubd blur on dark theme?

[pale sigil]

Not sure what you mean

Brave

[wheat plume]

when you pull down the notifications, the background is blurred on light theme

on dark theme it isnt

does it blur the background for you?

[pale sigil]

Dm me and I'll screenshot

[solar hinge]

nudez incoming

[pale sigil]

Nvm

@wheat plume answer your question?

Why is the screenshot so potato

[wheat plume]

are you using the default theme on dark mode?

[pale sigil]

Dark mode and theme

I'll switch to default

[wheat plume]

oh, dark mode overrides themes

can you pull down the shade and see if it has blur in the background?

[pale sigil]

I shall try

What do you mean share

Shade

[crimson wigeon]

whew finally done setting most things, hopefully i never ever have to do this bullshit again

I do feel like such a hackerman pulling the authenticator secrets from the sqlite database

[wheat plume]

when you slide down on the top to see all your notifications

[pale sigil]

Mobile graphics are getting insane

Also

[fallow bison]

Untrue cuz ssao is still non existent

[wheat plume]

oh, its solid black too

ok

i miss the blur you get on the light theme

[pale sigil]

Does miui take shite screenshots or something

[wheat plume]

idk why it is for you

mine are fine

[fallow bison]

The pic u sent looks fine for me

[wheat plume]

its potato for me

[fallow bison]

Really cant see compression

[wheat plume]

not on my one

on Callum's ones

[fallow bison]

Yeah not either

[wheat plume]

o?

[pale sigil]

Oh it's discord

[fallow bison]

Can you screenshot the potato part?

[wheat plume]

i cant read the writing on his

[fallow bison]

Yeah i figured ish

[pale sigil]

Looking at my screenshot folder they are clear

How strange

[fallow bison]

I can read everything fine aswell

Wtf

[wheat plume]

mm

idk

[wheat plume]

thats bad too

[fallow bison]

Oh ofc it also shows compressed for you

It doesnt for me

[wheat plume]

hm?

[pale sigil]

https://imgur.com/a/Lf993kk

Here look

[wheat plume]

what game is that?

[pale sigil]

Ah yes

It's the discordapp

If I open the screenshots via browser they are fine

[fallow bison]

Yes

[pale sigil]

Darkness rises

[wheat plume]

the best looking game I have is PUBG

[fallow bison]

Best i have is on pc

[wheat plume]

the rest or Minecraft and Dere EXE

are*

[fallow bison]

Literally dont use my phone ever

Only discord

Its a discord and twitter machine

[wheat plume]

xd

[pale sigil]

Was just testing itb

Googled the best looking android games haha

[fallow bison]

If forza horizon was on android

I'd spend my yearly salary on it

[fallow bison]

[wheat plume]

70 days

My gosh

[pale sigil]

Oh lord j just switched back to the iPhone

Everything is nearly blurry

[wheat plume]

O?

[fallow bison]

Good

[wheat plume]

Hmmm

Barely working dark theme only in the settings

Odd

Also holy shit

More phones

[still cave]

jesus

[pale sigil]

welp

time for an amazon return

[plush summit]

Got an old switch router combo here

Can I just use it as a switch?

[pale sigil]

lol i have one of those

it would be shit

[still cave]

^

i mean you can play breath of the wild on it with 0fps and 0p graphics

and no speakers so no audio

[pale sigil]

if i remember correctly it wont let you use it as a switch without entering ISP shit

unless you want an offline switch

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah you can use it as just a switch, just make sure you turn off all the routing features (DHCP and such)

[pale sigil]

itll be trash tho

you can get gigabit routers dirt cheap now

even for a 12 y/o

@plush summit

[plush summit]

What do you wany

[pale sigil]

i guess thats true

if you're only using it for internet only

[plush summit]

I'll just get a KVM switch

[wheat plume]

I am so conflicted, I wanna go back to using Plasma desktop but GNOME is so clean and elegant looking

any ideas?

Fudge it, Imma go back to ElementaryOS

I really like

[plush summit]

@wheat plume why did you go to thing in the first place

Why didn't you use manjaro

Why are you going back to elementary

God dammit

this is why I haven't made the switch to Linux

[wheat plume]

I want to go back to Elementary OS

I loved it last time I had it

[plush summit]

Because

Why didn't you stick with it and run the other machines in a VM

And how the hell you keeping all your data and programs

You just have a script that you transfer from distribution to distribution to install everything

[wheat plume]

I love manjaro cause of how easy to install software it is

[crimson wigeon]

Well if you're clever you can have /home on a separate partition and then boom all your user specific stuff is safe and sound through all your distro hopping

[wheat plume]

Hmm
That's a smart idea

Idk how to set that up though

Would I need swap?

I have a 240gb SSD

And 8gb ram

Idk what speed

Oohhh

Oh

True

People bash elementary for looking like macOS
-.-

It doesn't

Not even close

They think anything with a bottom dock and a top panel is macOS clone

But ignore the fact is doesn't look like it
Doesn't act like it
Doesn't have global menus

[plush summit]

@wheat plume you need to be put down

[wheat plume]

I agree

[pale sigil]

t3 first

[plush summit]

What's wappenings to the survey

Are you ever going to start it again

Before you won't want to sleep with it

[pale sigil]

its been up for hours

[plush summit]

Your server or cop server

[pale sigil]

my potato

[plush summit]

Reeeeeeeeee

I haven't turned on my computer cuz I thought it was still down

[pale sigil]

its going back down tho

im going bed soon

[plush summit]

Looks like I'm not going to be able to play at all today

It's makes me sad

Can you not put the computer in another room?

[pale sigil]

ofc i can

but it wont be online

😄

since yoiu have been a good boy

ill keep it up tonight

which is fucken good

wack him t3

[feral jolt]

i am sick of all these god damn cpu benchmarks using substandard ram

how is a cpu benchmark with 2133 ddr4 realistic these days

[timid chasm]

Because it exists and was probably the cheapest when ram prices were insane

You'd think they'd do 2400 at least though

[feral jolt]

no i mean recent fucking benchmarks

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-3800x-vs-intel-i9-9900k-geekbench,39691.html

why would anyone in their right fucking mind use 2133 ram on a 3800x

[sick creek]

Lul

Whats the native bus speed tho

If the mem controller native speed is 2133, then that explains it

[feral jolt]

not sure but it can support 3200 mhz without overclocking

[latent mural]

Wasn't 2666 the gighest jdec speed?

It has to do at least that

[timid chasm]

Rather see some single core tests. I think we know what to expect in multicore or multithreaded tests

Cpu_talk

Besides isn't new ryzen fine with slow ram compared to the others

[latent mural]

No

[timid chasm]

I think maybe 3rd gen is

[feral jolt]

jedec 3200 for the 3800x not sure about the other zen 2s

[zenith sonnet]

All Ryzen 3000s support 3200 officially
All the current intel CPU support 2666 officially

Iirc

Anyway, I'd only consider a non-OC CPU benchmark meaningful and fair, if they used the highest officially supported speed for each chip they test

[latent mural]

intel does more with xmp

[zenith sonnet]

How high do they go?

[latent mural]

but officially only 2666?

pretty much the speed of whatever the ram states it is

so 4. something ghz

[zenith sonnet]

Ryzen 3000 should be able to handle 4000MHz easily, but you'll see negative gains for a while when exceeding 3733MHz

[latent mural]

x570 might be different there