#🔌│tech | Wooting | Page 760

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2019, 8:48 PM

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pepoSabers

chrome estuary Apr 21, 2019, 8:58 PM

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just bought a 4k 65" TV for the living room.

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2019, 8:58 PM

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rooSellout nice

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BFGD?

chrome estuary Apr 21, 2019, 8:58 PM

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what's BFGD?

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2019, 8:59 PM

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big format gaming displays, nvidia display, 65" 4k 120hz, hdr etc.

chrome estuary Apr 21, 2019, 8:59 PM

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nah just a samsung TV.

ashen spindle Apr 21, 2019, 8:59 PM

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and like 4k$ as a pricte lul

chrome estuary Apr 21, 2019, 8:59 PM

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that's nothing

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the 98" 8k TV from Samsung costs 100k$

latent mural Apr 21, 2019, 9:02 PM

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yea

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but have you seen such big tvs?

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we have 2 75" ones at work

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those already are big af

chrome estuary Apr 21, 2019, 9:18 PM

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ikr

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 12:01 AM

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@pale sigil

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https://vrgineers.com/xtal/

VRgineers

glos

VRgineers XTAL

XTAL is a world’s first VR headset with AutoEye and embedded Leap Motion. It it fully enterprise-ready VR solution, it comes with 5K resolution, patented lenses and 170º field-of-view.

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I found my new headset

pale sigil Apr 22, 2019, 12:01 AM

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No u

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Probably gonna be another primax

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 12:01 AM

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it's only 4500 eur

pale sigil Apr 22, 2019, 12:03 AM

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Guess it's using light houses

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 12:15 AM

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definitely a vr solution aimed at businesses

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 1:30 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/244190952107933697/569694665960325121/unknown.png

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Well it should've gone into meme_rage as I was making a bad joke about it's price but I didn't think about it.

toxic jolt Apr 22, 2019, 6:35 AM

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I've used both 😪

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I'm actually running a Mac VM off of Arch

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No joke

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 10:38 AM

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When you do not update your Manjaro for a week
you got 1GB worth of updates....

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yay newer nvidia drivers

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crimson wigeon Apr 22, 2019, 10:58 AM

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Hum for something that I thought is a rolling release that seems like an old kernel version

fair gull Apr 22, 2019, 10:58 AM

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ikr

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 10:59 AM

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I have kernel 5 rn

fair gull Apr 22, 2019, 10:59 AM

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current should be 4.20.xx

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 10:59 AM

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fair gull Apr 22, 2019, 10:59 AM

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wait ya 4.20.xx was lts

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 10:59 AM

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^^

fair gull Apr 22, 2019, 10:59 AM

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5.0.9 is stable

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 11:00 AM

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I could upgrade but I dont want to use EXPERIEMENTAL

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crimson wigeon Apr 22, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Or did pacman finally get multiversion support, I remember when I was using Arch a while back a kernel update seriously borked my system and recovering required some trickery because it immediately nukes old versions

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 11:00 AM

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if you use the manjaro settings you can manage kernals

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thats the screenshot above

fair gull Apr 22, 2019, 11:01 AM

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get 5.0.9 already

crimson wigeon Apr 22, 2019, 11:01 AM

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Get whatever is on linux-next already

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 11:02 AM

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this was the updates it curerebtly doing

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fair gull Apr 22, 2019, 11:03 AM

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5,0,9 or bust

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 11:03 AM

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i dont need that kernal xd I got old ass hardware

fair gull Apr 22, 2019, 11:03 AM

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so?

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 11:03 AM

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the mic on my headphones stopped working following a kernel update

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it was strange

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i am using mpv and youtube-dl to play my music rn
it just downloaded the mpv update

fair gull Apr 22, 2019, 11:06 AM

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i heard your using memory leak

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 11:07 AM

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hm?

fair gull Apr 22, 2019, 11:07 AM

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yt-dl leaks memory like crazy after around 25 or so hours non stop playing

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#1 issue with most music bots on discord using it

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 11:07 AM

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PPFTTTTT like hell itll be running that long on my system 😂

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ohhh right

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dang

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What? if it is out of date why is it not letting me update it???

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pale sigil Apr 22, 2019, 12:29 PM

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I might just re install manjaro

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It's the only distro that isn't fucking up for me rn

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 12:33 PM

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Pop!_OS is noice also

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If I wanted to go back to ubuntu base I would use that

pale sigil Apr 22, 2019, 12:34 PM

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I rekon UKs "PornBlock" is a good oppertunity to make money

fair gull Apr 22, 2019, 12:34 PM

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http://moebuntu.web.fc2.com/home_eng.html

moebuntu

moebuntu is a customized Ubuntu (Linux OS) Desktop for Moe. This site tells you that how to customize your desktop to moe version.

pale sigil Apr 22, 2019, 12:35 PM

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Starting a small vpn company

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 12:35 PM

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OOO

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moebuntu

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OwO was dis?

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oh...its a theme and icon pack and stuff

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 1:38 PM

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I'm hoping shit works as it always has with the new TV since it's 4K HDR and what's plugged into it is a Chromecast (2nd gen) and a PS3

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:41 PM

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This G502 cable 😒

fallow bison Apr 22, 2019, 1:42 PM

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F

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:43 PM

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lol

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just debraid it

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Not bothered lmao, permanently going to the EC2A

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 1:44 PM

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The 'art' bin?

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:44 PM

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lol

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Sell G502 for fuck all, sell EC2A, sell G13, and invest in a GPW

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🤔

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:45 PM

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you might not licke the gpw shape though

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:45 PM

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True

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Divina 🤔

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:45 PM

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definetley not my shape

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never had a divina

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and I swore to myself that I won't buy another mouse until my model O arrives

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otherwise I'll be poor

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I can sell you my rmad gpw when logitech finally decides to send it

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:48 PM

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I need a EC2A shape

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:48 PM

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lol

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:48 PM

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A mix of the 502 and EC2A would be nice

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 1:48 PM

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I just want my g500 back in half the weight PepeHands

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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g500 shape isn't that good though

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pretty overhyped

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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no I want it because of the shape

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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can't even use it because of big hands

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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"licorice"

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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rimmed buttons are bs

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Holy crap I want to buy so much stuff

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Some new mouse, GPU, and swiftpoint GT for laptop (maybe)

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@proud nacelle well the weight is one thing, my g500 also has a lose contact or os I think

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:50 PM

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anjd?

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replace the cable

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Nice tag

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:50 PM

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isn't hard

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 1:50 PM

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well idk if it is the cable

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:50 PM

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it'S an ez fix

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pretty much all mice have the same internal connector

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no don't snip it

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 1:51 PM

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but now I got used to a lighter mouse so I'd need to do more than just replace the cable anyway

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:51 PM

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scre it open

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replace the cord

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:51 PM

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S n I p

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Swiss cheese mod

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:51 PM

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and maybe gut it idk

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drill holes in the internal shell

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won't even notice it from the outside

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they do that a lot with zowie mice

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sanding does almost nothing

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Might as well 3d print a light weight shell

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:52 PM

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you'd have to scan it first

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or measure the shit out of it

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:53 PM

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Shit just make a model of your hand and make the perfect mouse from it

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:53 PM

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and because of how the buttons are designed it may not work properly

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that isn't how it works

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:53 PM

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😂

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:53 PM

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many people think that is how you make "the ultimate mouse"

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but it really isn't

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 1:54 PM

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Retrofit bits and pieces here and there

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 1:55 PM

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I'm keeping my g500 around so when I have the time I might just make holes in it and get a new cable, maybe ven look into putting a new sensor in it

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:56 PM

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you can't replace the sensor

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it also has a 2 pcb design

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so you can't retrofit a g305 pcb

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 1:56 PM

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yea I meant transplanting something from a different mouse into the inside maybe, havent looked at that topic at all so idk what is possible and what isn't

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:56 PM

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not possible

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 1:57 PM

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ehh, there has to be a way, if I basically just remove everything but the shell and just put everything but the shell from something else in it

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:57 PM

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nope

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won't work

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 1:57 PM

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why not?

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:58 PM

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unless you want to remake the whole shell

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pcb is in 2 layers

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over each other

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shape is somewhat weird

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jsut transplanting the sensor doesn't work

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only real way is either to completely make the mosue on your own

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which isn't worth the hassle

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 1:59 PM

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yeah but if I just remove everything on the inside it shouldn't be an issue right?

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 1:59 PM

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or replacing the pcb

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which doesn't work

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because you are missing like 5mm of plastic on the buttons

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and you'd need the tallest wheel encoder ever made

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:00 PM

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I should wait for a ergo mouse in the Odin lineup

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:00 PM

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or get a intellimouse pro from china

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next trip to hk

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the pro is important btw

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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That's roughly... 8ish months away

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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lol

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the next glorious might also be

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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🤦

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 2:01 PM

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hm, I'll see when I get to it, I wouldn't mind just throwing a different pcb/scrwollwhel etc. into it from a completely different mouse, dont need it to be the same one again, just want to keep the form

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:02 PM

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yea

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you can't though

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pretty much impossible

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just for a much flatter and more normal shaped fk2 it needs a lot of work

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you should rather get the mx518 legendary

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you need to 3d print the bottom shell anyways

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since the sensor is stupidly far in the front on the g500

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 2:03 PM

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true

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is the mx518 the same shape?

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:04 PM

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pretty much

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 2:04 PM

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cant judjge from the pictures

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:04 PM

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I should just hoard a bunch of intellimouse pros into australia

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 2:05 PM

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scrollwheel looks like garbage but I guess I'll see if I can try the form of the mouse anywhere

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:05 PM

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At the border screening: sir why do you have 30 of these mouses?

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:06 PM

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or you might get an better mouse altogether

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mx518 shape was good on release

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which was ~15 years ago

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but EC shape is better

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btw @karmic grail is the scroll on your ec2a exrtremely mushy?

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:08 PM

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I just found my old mouse, my god I wish I didn't buy this lmao

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ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 2:08 PM

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I mean hard to find a better mouse if I can't find a shape I like as much or better

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:08 PM

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Define mushy(?)

It feels really heavy tho

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hard to scroll

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:08 PM

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like the tactile element is made from rubber

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:09 PM

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A bit

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 2:09 PM

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I used to have a RAT 7

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:10 PM

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I broke my rat 7 😭

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:10 PM

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found out when cleaning the wheel on my fk1 that you should a definetley clean the wheel assembly on a used zowie

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 2:10 PM

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;-;

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:10 PM

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and b the tactile springs have rubber under some models

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which makes them mushy af

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:10 PM

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The side thumb rest bit broke off at the bottom 😭

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Oh I guess cleaning is on the list then

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 2:11 PM

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aw damn

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:11 PM

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It just dangles but still works

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 2:11 PM

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oo

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:11 PM

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legit

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every rat owner that I know had theirs break

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and everybody that I know personally hated it afterwards

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:12 PM

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I liked it but it just broke

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 2:14 PM

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mine didnt break

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but I dont like bash my mouse around

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I use high sensitivity so I always have short movements on it

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and if im not playing a game i barely hold it

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:20 PM

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📎 Screenshot_20190422-235944__01.jpg

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these GPU prices

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Actually going to commit toaster bath

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:21 PM

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don't get a hybrid card

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:22 PM

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$600 is still roughly 1080 price

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550 - 600 average going price
650 for higher end cards

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 2:24 PM

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starts at ~340 here

karmic grail Apr 22, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Roughly same

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 4:36 PM

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I think I'm gonna buy an MX Ergo today.

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 4:36 PM

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the vertical one?

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or which is it?

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 4:37 PM

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The M570 'replacement'

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Thumbball

latent mural Apr 22, 2019, 4:38 PM

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ahh

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never was a trackball guy

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 4:39 PM

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I use mine all the time. I fumble around with normal mice at this point

wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 6:36 PM

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101 photos woot woot

pale sigil Apr 22, 2019, 6:40 PM

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wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 6:41 PM

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Oo

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Almost didn't fit.

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wheat plume Apr 22, 2019, 7:02 PM

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oooo

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damn lucky

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Yeah im pressed to steering wheel... Current getting food so don't worry bout text and drive

fallow bison Apr 22, 2019, 7:12 PM

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What u eating

fallow bison Apr 22, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Good choice

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 9:23 PM

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I got Rallys. TVs set up at home, doing it by myself was a bitch but it looks great even though I have no 4k devices other than the desktop.

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However 1080p still looks good on it and I bought an MX Ergo as well as it's nice and feels good to use

fallow bison Apr 22, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Nice! Which panel is it?

chrome estuary Apr 22, 2019, 9:37 PM

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uh

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tv?

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Probably LCD. I know it aint OLED

fallow bison Apr 22, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Yeye that

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Tbh i find oled to be overrated for home use lol

ashen spindle Apr 22, 2019, 9:49 PM

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got my gpu to 0.95V and a slightly higher offset even, think I'll see if I can get a wattmeter or so somewhere so I can see if it makes more sense for me to lower voltage at these clocks or get higher clocks at this voltage

chrome estuary Apr 23, 2019, 1:55 AM

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why are displayport to HDMI cables and/or adapters so fucking expensive.

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Most GPUs come with mostly displayport now-a-days and most monitors are still on HDMI.

crude cipher Apr 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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@chrome estuary what's with the mirrored text /o\

chrome estuary Apr 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Oh my camera fucked it up.

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 3:28 AM

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Nice mirrored pic 😂

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 6:44 AM

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Dp>hdmi

zenith sonnet Apr 23, 2019, 7:07 AM

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@ashen spindle Which GPU? What did you use to test stability?

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Ehh some pascal

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Don't remember which one

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:18 AM

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nice

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this ec2a double presses when i click the scroll wheel

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(middle button)

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:18 AM

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nice

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if you are really unlucky you got a rare model with omrons

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:19 AM

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facepalm

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:19 AM

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is it a benq model?

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all of thsoe were open for rma, you might still get a replacement from zowie

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:19 AM

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how 2 check

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:19 AM

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does it say benq on the left side?

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:20 AM

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yep facepalm

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:20 AM

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not necessarily bad

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only the very first benq models had omrons

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they were deeme not high quality very quickly

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took like 2 months

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after that they switched back to huanos

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:21 AM

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'proof of purchase'
guess im not RMA'ing this + its like 2-3 years old

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 8:21 AM

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@zenith sonnet 1080, firestrike

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:21 AM

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if it is an omron version it's likely static buildup, the omron switches do it

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how did you obtain it btw

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:22 AM

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friend gave it to me :/

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:22 AM

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ok, nevermind was even only one batch

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apparently all recalled

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:23 AM

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i guess i can stick with it

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not that ill ever use the middle click in games

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just use middle click for opening new tabs Shrug

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:23 AM

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same

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still shouldn't happen

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problem is only the normal b version can be opened without ruining the skates

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do you got it with all the original packing?, they should come with an additional set

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well if you get them vey cheap it's not bad

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:25 AM

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no original packing
i just got handed the mouse as-is from a friend

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:25 AM

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and the -b version exists because people wanted 3360s

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to prevent spinouts

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guess what the normal -b version can do

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:26 AM

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waht

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:26 AM

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lol

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idk how they managed the 3360 to spin out tbh

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mine doesn't do it

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ehh

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:26 AM

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i love zowie just for the shape

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:26 AM

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the clicks are pretty stiff

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and the scrollwheel is still much better than finalmouse/motospeed scrolls

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which mouse do you use btw

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:27 AM

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ec2a is literally my hand shape the second i laid on it

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:27 AM

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ahh

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haven't tried an s-series yet

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looks like it is too small for me though

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the buttons aren't crappy

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just stiffer

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personal preference

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at least their switches aren't omrons

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which are either rated for only 10m or double click

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like I told you, personal preference

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and travel is the same

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what is your hand size?

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and how do they feel like office mice

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you use a g203

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which is a very similar shape to many office mice

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:31 AM

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i dont know how my friend managed to dent the feet on the ec2a

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:32 AM

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not that hard

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ptfe is pretty soft

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even though zowie uses very flat feet

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:33 AM

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📎 IMG_20190423_183320__01__01.jpg

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There's like damn craters in it

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:33 AM

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oof

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if you plan to change them, look how to adjust the lod

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you have to set it as high as possible if you don't get original feet

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:35 AM

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hmm will do

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:36 AM

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you don't get those dent's in a mouse with normal use

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the feet on my gpw don't look that bad

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and I use it daily in uni

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without a pad

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btw logitech still didn't send me a replacement

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:37 AM

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lol

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logitechs RMA is either really fast or really slow

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no inbetween

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 8:37 AM

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well, they confirmed it

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didn't get a delivery notice yet though

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was almost two weeks ago too

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until the delivery notice it took like 4 days

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idk, maybe they are sold out or something

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yeee

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it's sold out

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rip me

karmic grail Apr 23, 2019, 8:39 AM

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rip

timid chasm Apr 23, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Windows 10 S is the only 10 version that forces Store apps, correct?

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Yeah

timid chasm Apr 23, 2019, 11:37 AM

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mk. I didn't know of there was any other weird tablet-y versions out there

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 11:37 AM

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the S stands for Shit...or Store...your pick

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but you can pay an extra 60 to get access to use any software you like

timid chasm Apr 23, 2019, 11:38 AM

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wtf is that? Does it just upgrade the version?

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More importantly are 10 S devices somehow locked to 10 S? Otherwise I'd just do a fresh install of a cheap 10 if need be

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 11:38 AM

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idek

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 11:39 AM

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You can unlock

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The whole S thing is pretty much abandoned by now anyway

timid chasm Apr 23, 2019, 11:39 AM

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Good. fuck em

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:15 PM

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wtf is wrong with asus

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the "projection" killed me

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Perfect what could possibly go wrong

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:17 PM

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I mean the idea with a 2 screen setup is a good idea, although it would be horrible like that

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official concept arts from asus

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nvm

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asus and bmw designworks

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this render also came out of that cooperation

📎 z000022-2.png

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:19 PM

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Because two is better than one

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:19 PM

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maybe for a real 21:9 experience

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without an oled display you have massive glowing black bars at the top and bottom

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yea

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well, you'd need extra software

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never tried that tbh

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i meant on windows

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Unless you're modern and have moved on to Wayland in which case you're fucked

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Well it depends on what compositor you're using

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There is no generic wayland.conf

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If your compositor implements it..

#

But all developers involved seem quite stubborn about certain things

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So expect something like PTT to never be doable

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Because grabbing global hotkeys IS EVIL

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Yeah because compositors have to basically do everything that X used to and then some there aren't very many to choose from

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No

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Basically a set of protocols and an IPC mechanism to do (some of) what X does but "better"

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Depends on how you think about it

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Gave up on it and now it's basically just a Wayland compositor!

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Anyway I'd love to be modern but all these compositors are nowhere near ready, still, even though its been right around the corner for years

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Wayland borks up completely on nvidia it seems

chrome estuary Apr 23, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Wayland just borks up.

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:34 PM

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oof

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Because Nvidia doesn't support the standard GBM stuff that the others do

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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no, I use it on my laptop with GNOME desktop

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its so damn smooth

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Which basically means compositor developers have to make both a normal path and Nvidia path

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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smoother than I ever seen gnome desktop even on my PC

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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And the EGLStreams thing Nvidia wants them to use isn't really good for Wayland things, apparently

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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5.16?? thats not out yet

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unless it is in dev still

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Apparently the rather essential Xwayland thing doesn't work at all with EGLStreams

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:36 PM

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I know manajro used the newest stable verrsion so I guess why I dont have it

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Or it does work but is pure slow software rendering, can't remember which it is

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But basically direct your complaints to big old NV

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:37 PM

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^^

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Sway is wayland i3wm

plush summit Apr 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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im staying away from nvidea for this reason

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proprietary shit everywhere

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:39 PM

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are the open source AMD gpu drivers as good as the propreitary nvidia ones?

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:39 PM

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One might say AMD drivers are better now because they are mainlined so it all just works

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:39 PM

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AMD drivers are better in general

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especially wattman is great

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you can automatically undervolt or overclock your gpu

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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so if you have an AMD card and you install a new OS you dont need to do anything else and have full performance?

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Pretty much

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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oo

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:41 PM

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you mean cuda emulation?

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because if you want cuda performance NEVER take AMD

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:41 PM

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CUDA is a NV thing so obviously yeah

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:41 PM

#

^

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amd cards can only emulate cuda

#

I hope navi will be good

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since I may be able to upgrade my vega 64 this year

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and I loved the software side of AMD

#

my asus model is pretty loud, which is expected of the asus vega

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yea

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amd adrenalin actually offers gpu related options

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without needing a social media login

plush summit Apr 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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i cant bring myself to support nvidias practices

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

#

yea

plush summit Apr 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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they have better hardware

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but at what cost

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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but if you want something faster than a vega 64 there aren't many options unfortunatley

plush summit Apr 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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yeah

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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the radeon vii is just too little of an upgrade

plush summit Apr 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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atleast i can be garonteed that my slower hardware works well with more applications

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

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never had compatability probblems with my pascal, vega or several polaris cards

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only problem I have with amd is that i keep accidentally make recordings

#

sine ctrl+shift is used a lot in warframe

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and e also isn't too uncommon

#

so pressign all three happens usually

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Well you can always change the bind

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

#

yea

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wanted to change that since I got the card

#

always forget to do it

#

and you can't do it in the overlay

#

and compared to my previous cooling solution the strix vega 64 gets loud

#

unfair comparison though

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:48 PM

#

mine follows the system theme

📎 Screenshot_20190423_144906.png

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:49 PM

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looks fresh

📎 unknown.png

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 1:49 PM

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the libreoffice themeing sucks on my system

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 1:49 PM

#

uhh

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physx stuff

#

sometimes compatability with OLD games

#

ik

#

was /s

#

yea

#

not always

#

there are some specific old games where you may need to adjust some settings

#

and wii u emulation needed some

#

ehh

#

somewhat

#

half life runs great though

#

software support for the engine is still okayish

#

ik

#

but still runs fine

#

never had problems with that

#

I meant more obscure titles

#

can't remember a specific one though

#

well, if I get a 1440p ultrawide I need a faster card

#

won't buy into crossfire for hopefully obvious reasons

#

I know about nvidias business practices

#

but amd doesn't offer a viable solution for that usecase

#

except maybe crossfire + open loop

#

yea

#

but I'd have to buy a 1kw psu

#

which is like 200€ for a good one

#

and then my ears would get destroyed

#

yea, but one vega takes like 400w

#

300-400

#

mine "only" has 750

#

and if I had 2 one would get hot af

#

so i'd need an open loop

#

yea

#

i'm gonna buy a current card

#

AMD unfortunatley has no viable solution

#

that's why I hope navi will be at least somewahat comparable to a 2080 (ti)

#

not with 2 cards

#

open loop is the only option

#

well

#

the vega 56 apparently could run raytracing tasks quite well

#

not much considering the bar nvidia set tbh

#

real time raytracing is still not ready for market

#

and tbh

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:00 PM

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the ps5 will have raytraycing and navi was build for consoles, so you can definitely expect raytracing stuff on navi, but maybe not on first gen release

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:00 PM

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I don't mind paying over 500 for a high end card

#

yea, the ps5 will have raytracing

#

said in the same interview as "the ps5 is 8k 60fps"

#

yeaaaa

#

I know myself

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:01 PM

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yeah but that is just like nvidia saying rtx just works

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:01 PM

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I'll buy it way before it is eol

#

nothing said yet

#

uhh

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announcement at computex I think

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:02 PM

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computex has a chance, but we only know ryzen 2 will be there

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:02 PM

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as well as zen 2

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:03 PM

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otheriwse 7. july seems likely

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:03 PM

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well

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hopefully we will know more soon

timid chasm Apr 23, 2019, 2:03 PM

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ooo I hope we get new cpus july

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I want that rumored 3850x or w/e

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:04 PM

#

yea

#

those are confirmed

#

and epyc rome is already out btw

#

don't know if they said anything about plattform support

#

even nvidia made fun of them

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:06 PM

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sure, almost two decades ago

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:07 PM

#

both had their highs and lows

#

uhh

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:07 PM

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idk, fury x maybe?

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:07 PM

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nah

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those are liquid cooled

#

and if one of the fury lineups is loud it's the pro duo

#

uhh, idk tbh

#

sicne amd doesn't own ati for that long it's likely the 7990

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:09 PM

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eh, amd should focus on cpus and have intel be nvidias rival

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:10 PM

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nah

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intel plans to make gaming cards

#

i'm curious how they'll end up tbh

#

they bought a lot of talent already

#

imagine them all getting intel gpus

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:11 PM

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let them flock, will force nvidia to do more

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:11 PM

#

and no game optimizes for them

#

and that

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more competition is rarely bad

#

except if they try to buy market share

#

wtf do you mean with ME

#

win ME?

#

dogelul

#

ohhhh

#

that makes more sense

#

imagine somebody ony plugs in power to their gpu

#

but manages to let it run doom

#

without the help of a cpu/mainboard etc

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:14 PM

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could work in theory, with like the shader-version of doom

#

but mouse input etc. would be the issue

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:14 PM

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got the idea for that one

#

spinning a fan

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rpm readout leads to input

#

lol

#

yea

#

or a toaster

#

or a porsche

#

or pretty much anything else

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:15 PM

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doom on wooting with only power input when

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:15 PM

#

haven't seen a standalone gpu though

#

ik

#

doom is completely 2d

#

but it runs on anything that can do simple calculations

#

in 100 years the human brain is fast enough to emulate doom

#

yea

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nduMTX86Zl0

YouTube

LGR

LGR - "Doom" on a Calculator! [Ti-83 Plus Games Tutorial]

Ever wanted to play first-person shooters on a monochrome graphing calculator screen? Well now you can! Or rather, you could for over a decade but I'm just n...

▶ Play video

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it'S only 2d calculations

#

uhh idk

#

copied a youtube link from a google reccomendation

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and the ti-83 isn't even that fast

#

well, it had a gba release

#

funnily ultimate paintbrawl runs on almost nothing, even though it has the same engine

#

wel

#

it is a simple proof to see if you can get anything within reasonable spec to run

#

kind of like a hello world

#

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTApvwqZ_TM

YouTube

Stephen English

Doom on a Scope

Doom running on a Scope(!) at the University of Southampton. Recorded by Tim Rochester.

▶ Play video

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how about this?

#

is that your own?

#

well

#

you can get them really cheap

#

if you buy used at least

#

idk

#

use it as a multimeter dogelul

#

totally not

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 2:34 PM

#

📎 Screenshot_2019-04-23-15-34-10-159_com.brave.browser.png

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It has a tracking script it seems

#

Or an ad

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:35 PM

#

or damn isps can just not be retarded

#

then we can have graphics

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and load them in a reasonable time

#

ehh

#

do you know what vectoring is?

#

na

#

it's a "technology" that the german telekom uses to upsell connections

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 2:37 PM

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Sounds like a scam

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:37 PM

#

they sell you 250 Mbit/s

#

with "supervectoring"

#

which can be reduced if too many people on the same cable tree use too much data

#

ik

#

a 50 Mbit/s connection only guarantees you 16-25 Mbit/s

#

and they got a huge amount of money for "building" that network

#

which effectively was swapping out their fiber modules for some other ones

#

since they usually have fiber until a substation

#

even if, a fiber network is cheaper to make

#

but if they actually upgarde their network to the highest standards they'd get less money

#

all gave me eye cancer

#

best websiteis cock.li anyways

#

mail provider btw

#

they have a "dark mode"

#

which just removes all contents and makes it black

#

yea

#

it's a big circlejerk

#

where everybody thinks they are the best

#

even worse than the neverending stupid volume changing mechanisms

#

yea

#

but you have to admit at some point that a minor improvement to a meme doesn't necessarily make it funnier

#

yea

#

normies that think they are hip because they use reddit

#

and know "software development"

#

ik

#

there are good subreddits

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 2:46 PM

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I love Reddit

#

Guess I'm too normie

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:46 PM

#

but most subreddits are a huge circejerk

#

and doesn't allow controversy

#

and reddit is swarmed by retarded bots

#

ye

#

tbh

#

I couldn't care less about reddit karma

#

since people generally downvote if they don't agree with a subjective opinion I make

#

not even anything controvercial

#

they just can't accept another opinion

#

ye

#

I can sometimes gamble with my benis though

#

so they at least they were worth something at some point

#

benis = internet points on a german imageboard

#

you can also gamble with your dick for stds dogelul

#

yeaaa

#

"AI" is a huge buzzword

#

like blockchain etc

#

yea

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:50 PM

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tbf it's a lot better to say "AI" than "neural network" everytime though

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:50 PM

#

well in that case it makes somewhat more sense

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:50 PM

#

and NN is kinda weird to say

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:51 PM

#

most AIs are just a bunch of conditions

#

which makes them effectively code you could've run on every pc in existance

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 2:52 PM

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idk, don't care how they work stuff like that as long as its not actually lying, like selling mobos as 16 phase when it hase doublers etc.

#

still are

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 2:53 PM

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the best one must be the gigabyte "ai enhanced" laptops

#

yea

#

made sense in their case though

#

since it is for developing them

#

whyt they meant is generation of neural networks

#

ehh

#

well, I'd expect them to optimize their chips with automatic generation

#

?

#

stupid national layouts pls

#

I don't even have qwerty

#

y and z are swapped in germany

#

ohh, you meant genereal standards

#

DIN is the first afaik

#

the din norms EVERYTHING

#

they legit normed how big an average turd is

#

dude

#

📎 Normpruefkoerper_DIN_1385.png

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it's not even a joke

#

it's the "normshiß"

#

DIN 1385

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:02 PM

#

the pic he send is a toilet bowl with the normschiss

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:03 PM

#

normed shit

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:03 PM

#

standard turd

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:03 PM

#

as in standardized

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:03 PM

#

its a model to have the proper size

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:04 PM

#

they once normed packaging sizes for a lot of stuff

#

which companies had to apply to

#

that was removed in 2007 I think

#

i'm sure they have something for cups etc

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:05 PM

#

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EN_71

EN 71

European standard EN 71 specifies safety requirements for toys. Compliance with the standard is legally required for all toys sold in the European Union.The standard has been published in 13 parts:

EN 71-1: Mechanical and physical properties
EN 71-2: Flammability
EN 71-3: Sp...

#

i mean

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:05 PM

#

http://www.porzellanfieber.de/Hintergrund_Kantinenporzellane-DIN_Taschenbuch-fuer-Keramiker-1937_Seiten_34-39.html

:. Hintergrund: DIN für Kantinengeschirr • 5051 (Teller), 5052 ...

DIN für Kantinengeschirr • 5051 (Teller), 5052 (Tassen), 5053 (Mannschaftsbedarf) [ab 1928 - 1945].

#

it get'S much worse than just a single cup

#

well, they are regulated anyways

#

not just by them

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:07 PM

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its just

#

they usually have so exact shit in there

#

like plushies have to be fire resistent

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:07 PM

#

ohh

#

btw

#

he doesn't know about how a typical german toilet used to look

#

the norm makes more sense with that

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:07 PM

#

oh true

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:08 PM

#

ehh

#

it'S basically normal

reef patrol Apr 23, 2019, 3:08 PM

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What did I walk into 😄

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 3:08 PM

#

DIN approved toilets rooxD

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:08 PM

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but the inner back part is raised and flat

reef patrol Apr 23, 2019, 3:08 PM

#

https://tenor.com/view/friends-chandler-noidea-excited-gif-4810411

Tenor

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:08 PM

#

was originally made so a doctor could inspect it

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:09 PM

#

we do

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:09 PM

#

well, home visits weren't that uncommon not too long ago

#

you can still get them

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:09 PM

#

ya

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:09 PM

#

but usually you just visit the doctor

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:11 PM

#

A4 paper (the most used paper format globally)

#

The international paper size standard is ISO 216. It is based on the German DIN 476 standard for paper sizes.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:11 PM

#

tbh that one is a blessing

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:11 PM

#

ikr

#

we germans know our shit

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:11 PM

#

since it makes many different and very usable sizes at once

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 3:12 PM

#

and easily combineable and diviseable

#

into smaller/larger ones

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Only a few people had a PSX.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:58 PM

#

isn't the maximum movement speed of a controller also pretty limited?

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 3:58 PM

#

Yes...

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

a modern mouse can easily give you multiple full rotations per second

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

there's also one quite easy way to detect input coming from a wooting and not a real controller...

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

so you'd have to max ingame sensetivity

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

a wooting xbox controller will hit the corners...

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

btw, do console have acceleration?

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 3:59 PM

#

Maybe this is the new product 😉

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:00 PM

#

what do you mean "do they have acceleration"?

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:00 PM

#

mouse acceleration

#

if you move more you have a multiplier apllied to your movement

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:00 PM

#

dunno, but mouse acceleration (windows setting at least) has zero effect on games

#

well, mouse aim FPS games

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:00 PM

#

depends on how it is read

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:00 PM

#

RawInput

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:01 PM

#

hopefully

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:01 PM

#

about the only FPS I know that reads cursor is CS:GO

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:01 PM

#

I imagine acceleration and deadzones to be horrible with converters

#

and csgo can do both

#

as all source games

#

and I am sure there are some that do that without giving the option, so most won't notice

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:03 PM

#

The good thing about a mouse is by adding together the relativ inputs you are ably to determine the movement without any lose. For the absolut inputs from a joystick you need the value from the beginning, the value from the end and the time between then in order to caluculate the movement between it.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:04 PM

#

ye

#

so it smooths by design

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:04 PM

#

err, joystick is absolute position. The last value is the correct value

#

also with DirectInput you can get buffered input, so you get all input since the last poll, with timestamps

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:06 PM

#

but that depends heavily on the hardware device

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:07 PM

#

Rocky's assertion was that with mouse you had more fidelity because you got all of the points from the beginning to the end. My statement was that you get the same with DirectInput

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:07 PM

#

an xbox for example doesn't use direct input though

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

You can't do anything with just the absolut value! You still need the time how long the value are valid. Depending on how fast the game reads the input you need not only one value but two in order to have the most realistic value that a user has pushed the joystick. But because nearly all console games are slow (like 30 fps) they won't even care I think for that.

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

because for a game, it does not really matter

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

wait

#

so it polls at the fps of the game?

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:08 PM

#

in general, yes, games poll for input at a pre-determined rate

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

oof

#

so you effectively have 30Hz polling rate

#

that's terrible

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

which is why, in AHK, if you send keyboard input but do not hold your keys for 20-50ms, the game will only intermittently see them

#

because you could press and release between polls

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:09 PM

#

btw how does linux handle controller inputs

#

I remember some stuff about the nes classic reading at 150hz

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:10 PM

#

this is not the same for DI joysticks though, as it buffers input

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:10 PM

#

since it uses some weird controller drivers for linux

#

tbh the nes classic feels like it is a student project and not an official product by nintendo

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:11 PM

#

A game works in that way that it can only registers input between two pictures. So if you are play at 30 FPS you game only reads the inputs
30 times the second. Because of that a professional gamer recomemnt more FPS that good grafics.

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:12 PM

#

yeah, that is one of the reasons people used to prefer NTSC over PAL

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:12 PM

#

they usually reccomend more so the screen shows a more accurate picture

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:12 PM

#

29.97 vs 25 FPS

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:12 PM

#

and ntsc is running like it is intended

#

especially bad for sonic for example

#

since the european sonic runs almost 20% slower

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:14 PM

#

One of the things on my to-do list is write a generic HID provider for UCR, so we don't have to use DirectInput. DI sits on top of HID, which is event-based

#

games tend to want poll-based, so events are not coming in eg when it is rendering, but for a remapping app like UCR, we want to respond to input immediately rather than waiting 10ms for th next DI poll

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:15 PM

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since frametimes are inconsistent af you can easily get the same picture twice on a monitor, vene though you are putting out picutes at the correct fps

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Not an issue for many games, but people playing fighting games etc on emus are noticing it

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:16 PM

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ye

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:16 PM

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There are two things here with hight frame rates. The higher the framerate the better or precise the input feels. This has nothing to to with the rate how many frames you can see on you monitor. Because of this gamers like to play at a higher framerate even if the monitor can display them. But a monitor will lose pictures and cut it off if it gets more pictures that it can hanlde it, because of that and the better claraty gamers like hight refresh monitors.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:16 PM

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ik

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:17 PM

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On many games, game engine tick rate is unrelated to frame rate

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:17 PM

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yea

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would be weird af if a game like csgo tried to sync tick rate

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:17 PM

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esp multiplayer games

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they tend to have a fixed tick rate which is the same for all players, regardless of FPS

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:18 PM

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But that is another thing 😃

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:18 PM

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but that may mainly be for netcode, I could imagine a 1:1 ratio between input polling and frames would be desirable

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:18 PM

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btw a monitor will limit how much it will display

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so tearing should reduce at a higher framerate

quasi warren Apr 23, 2019, 4:19 PM

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(with vsync off)

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:19 PM

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yea

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:19 PM

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I had made a visual test and the conclusions was that I can identify visual effects down to 24 ms.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:20 PM

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24 ms isn't much though

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that's barely over 40 fps

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and if you generally run a higher framerate you rarely get frametimes that high

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:21 PM

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It was a test there two light are gone on and I have to say which light was on thirst.

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Not really, tearing gets worse when framerate gets really high

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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?

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have noticed it exactly the other way around

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Really high meaning like 600+

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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yea

crimson wigeon Apr 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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Then it all just looks very wobbly due to the amazing amount of tears

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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try achieving that

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:23 PM

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At this rate I was able to clearly can determine a difference. But for a good feelling you would need a much higher rate. You can say the picture is much smoother on a 120 Hz monitor than a 60 Hz, but this is only claraty.

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Becaue of that I can only play game with at least 60 Hz, otherwise I notice the stutter of the pictures.

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I always hate fast sceens in movies, because I notice the blurring.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:27 PM

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yea

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but at least the frame times are consistent

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:27 PM

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At least that 😕

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:27 PM

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and movies are slowly shifting to 60Hz

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just depends on how long it takes until they throw out their old cameras etc

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:28 PM

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I don't like the Loard of the rings and Hobbit, but I kick me in the ass because I don't saw the Hobbit in 48 frames.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:28 PM

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?

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you sentenced was gramatically correct but made little sense

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:29 PM

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The Hoobit is the only movie I know which was played at a higher framerate than the usual 24 pictures per second.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:29 PM

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ahh

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it was the first high budget movie at a higher framerate I think

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:30 PM

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And the last I think...

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:30 PM

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seen it

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not the last in total

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:31 PM

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Only a few cinemas are able to play movies with 48 fps.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:31 PM

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the new avatar movies will be at a higher framerate

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tbh they have to update sooner or later

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and unless they trust ubisoft there is little sense to not update the framerate as well

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since modern top model cinema cameras can record at 60fps

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from all important companies

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:32 PM

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The problem was with the higher framerate in the Hobbit people can actually see that the picture on a fast scene and because of that the noticed the mistakes and bad quality.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:33 PM

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ye

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but even infinity war had terrible cgi at some points

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:33 PM

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So a lot people don't like it because they prefer the blurry things than to see the bad quality.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:34 PM

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they could post edit blurrines dogelul

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Thee are some studies about how humans react to things. If CGI is bad humans don't bother because they imagine and handled it as unrealistic. But if something is nearly realistic but not enought humans see the little mistakes and handle it as a real thing.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:37 PM

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it was pretty weird

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in infinity war it there were some transport vehicles for wakanda soldiers

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and the vehicles looked TERRIBLE

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but a lot of non cg dudes jumped off of them

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btw gtx 1650 released

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not any reviews up as far as I know

chrome estuary Apr 23, 2019, 4:43 PM

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Oh boy can't wait for the 1750.7ti

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:45 PM

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well, it seems to not be a bad product

pale sigil Apr 23, 2019, 4:45 PM

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It's getting silly now

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:45 PM

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if it has comparable power to a 1060/580 but without an extermanl power connector

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at a starting price of under 200€

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seems pretty promising

pale sigil Apr 23, 2019, 4:46 PM

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It's so weird, I've gone so many years without having to budget it seems weird knowing they exist

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XD

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:47 PM

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well

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it'S not for me

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but I put together a lot of pcs, especially for lower budgets

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and since you can throw those cards in pretty much any system as long as they have a 16x pcie and full size slots

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you can build pretty cheap and capable gaming systems

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Nearly all the parts of my whole PC are gifts from my friends after they upgrade their PCs.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:48 PM

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lol

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anything nice?

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:50 PM

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A have a R9 290X with 8GB which I got for 50€. This cards was very expensive back than.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:50 PM

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not bad

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if the 1650 has the power I expect it to have it has similar perforamance dogelul

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:50 PM

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But I got it a half year ago.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:50 PM

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yea

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really not bad for 50€

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:51 PM

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No, the should be faster.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:51 PM

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had a 390x, which died

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it is slightly faster than a 480/580

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:51 PM

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My card is like an AMD 570.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:51 PM

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no?

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the 390x is a rebrand of the 290x

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and that one is slightly faster than a 480

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:52 PM

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The 1650 should be like a GTX 980 I guess.

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Or even faster

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:52 PM

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and the 580 is a slightly faster 480

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and the 980 is faster

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:52 PM

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the same for the 590

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 4:52 PM

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should be at least

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the 590 is just an overclocked 580

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Better clocks because of the better manufacturing process.

zenith mirage Apr 23, 2019, 4:55 PM

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390 master race 😤

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:55 PM

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My CPU is a 8350, so it is damn slow 😦

wheat plume Apr 23, 2019, 4:57 PM

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~~Cries in i5-4590T~~

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 4:59 PM

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I can feel with you...

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Luckily most of the games are more grafics relevant than CPU.

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I only have problems with BF1.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Have you at least oced it?

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With appropiate cooling/board they go beyond 5GHz

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And as a bonus you din't need to pay for heating in winter

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:15 PM

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my cpu is an i7-9700k, so its damn slow

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altho its actually not

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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I run it on a AM3 board, not a AM3+. So the limit is 4,3 GHz for me.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Only 8c/8t dogelul

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Rip

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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so?

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u know that nvidia + HT is shit right?

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Good used am3+ boards aren't available or cheap

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Nah

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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increased times thx to nvidia drivers

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Didn't have nvidia and ht

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:18 PM

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someone measured frametimes and HT increased them on NVidia cards

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so im glad no HT and even without i smash most HT cpus in benchmarks

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except threadrippers obviously

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Never hearded of problems with HT and Nvidia before.

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:19 PM

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searching the thread rn

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but someone actually tried it

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:19 PM

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I thought that was due to the HT cores not performing as well

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Does that apply to smt as well?

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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afaik only HT

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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ye we talked about it here, but I don't think that was really anything of concern for gaming iirc

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Had that for a few days

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Normally it's only a OS thing to schedule the cores in the correct manner.

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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kinda is tbh

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:20 PM

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Tbh I think that ht itself is the bigger difference

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Cause a faster cpu still results in more fps, even if it is a gpu bound task

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Kliksphillip tested that in cs

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With a 7700k I think and a 1080

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:21 PM

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like i went over to my best girl friend who got an i7-4790k (argueably one of the best cpus ever made)

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and i tried ht vs non ht

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 5:21 PM

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https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/791662/nvidia-drivers-causing-high-interrupt-latency-with-hyper-threading/

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:21 PM

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How is it one of the best

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:21 PM

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non ht got more frames in some cases actually

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 5:21 PM

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But yes applications need to be optimized for it. Because HT don't speed up the CPU but it help to reduce downtimes betweens thread switches.

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Ik

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:22 PM

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the i7-4790k is just a beast in terms of OC

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:22 PM

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That is die to non ht cores being faster

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And if the game only uses 4 cores 4 non ht is faster than 4 ht

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:22 PM

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iirc theres no game using more than 4

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like most games hog core 0

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like crazy bastards

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:23 PM

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You may get similar perofrmance if you assign every second core

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Ik

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:23 PM

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altho i will upgrade to a 2990wx soon

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:23 PM

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My brother plans to upgrade to tr

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 5:23 PM

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HT just doubles the registers and so on, because of that it help to reduce no operation cycles in the CPU. HT don't doubles the internal cores.

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 5:24 PM

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according to that forum threads it's an issues of below 1 ms so idk if that really matters for gaming lol'

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Problem is if he wants to run any game the 29900wx is horrible

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:24 PM

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@ashen spindle it does at like 400fps or so

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u actually get a few more frames

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 5:24 PM

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yea so it doesnt matter

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:24 PM

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and higher frames is always better

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Can a 4790k even do that in csgo?

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:24 PM

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yes with oc

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like i said the 4790k is an oc beast

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:25 PM

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And at that point invest in a mouse with a polling rate higher than 125

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6600k is better

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:25 PM

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doubt

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:25 PM

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All go at least 600MHz higher at stock voltage

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 5:25 PM

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and I was generous with 1ms because that thread talked about mikro seconds so we are talking about 0.1ms latency even

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:25 PM

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Siliconelottery had one at 5.1ghz

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Stock is 3.9

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:26 PM

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my i7-4790k was at 4.9

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easily

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if i had better cooling i guess i could have pulled 5 aswell

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:26 PM

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What voltage offset?

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:26 PM

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cant remember its like 2 years ago by now

golden girder Apr 23, 2019, 5:26 PM

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If an application are to often switches between the "cores" it can slow down the application. Or if the applications don't have a downtime HT can't help.

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:26 PM

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and im waiting for the warranty of my current cpu to expire so i can oc that way higher

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currently really tame on the oc

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Can they actually prove that an oc was the problem?

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Since the oc is only saved on the bios

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Or do they log that?

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:28 PM

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thing is

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i got the money and resources for good cooling like LN2

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but

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i figure if i go actually to far i might fry it in some way that its obv

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so i just play save rn

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and when i switch to the tr2990wx i can play with the i7

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Ln2 isn't really a permanent solution though

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:29 PM

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yes but i like pushing shit to the max

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Understandable

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 5:29 PM

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I dont get why you would do that once your warranty is expired instead of before so you might have a chance to get something if you do break it?

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:29 PM

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if i had ln2 2years ago i would have pushed the 4790k further

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intel claims the 4790k can go 5ghz on air

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but i can tell from exp it wont

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:30 PM

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Wat

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:30 PM

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yes that was their launch claim

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 5:30 PM

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if you disable all but core 0 maybe distSmile

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:31 PM

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the highest i got on water was 4.9 and that had some instability altho idk if that was the board maybe

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cause sometimes it ran without problems

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sometimes it crashed 2hrs in

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Could be anything tbh

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:31 PM

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and tbh i dont wanna ruin the pc of my best girl friend

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just to find out

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:31 PM

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Lol

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You could switch hers with your 9700k when you get tr

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Just to try it

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:32 PM

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first i wanna push this to like 5.5 if possible

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:32 PM

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If it doesn't break you know

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:32 PM

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if that goes well and cpu alive i already promised her my current one for free

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cause

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id just throw it away

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:32 PM

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If it breaks you "only" killed a 4790k

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:32 PM

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"only"

zenith mirage Apr 23, 2019, 5:32 PM

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nah mate get a tenner for it at least

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:33 PM

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https://discordjs.moe/c2mL🍜🙇pf.png

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just 400€

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Used pricing also gets higher every month

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:33 PM

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@zenith mirage na she got my old copic marker set aswell and that cost me like 500€

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:33 PM

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High end 1155 is especially bad

zenith mirage Apr 23, 2019, 5:33 PM

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vaultsweat

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:33 PM

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@solar hinge also just paid shipping for the old 290x i found

zenith mirage Apr 23, 2019, 5:33 PM

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dude, don't play yourself like that

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:34 PM

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for me its literally trash when i got new shit

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i couldnt care less if the garbage man gets it or someone else

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:34 PM

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^

zenith mirage Apr 23, 2019, 5:34 PM

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one man's trash is another man's treasure tho

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:34 PM

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I usually don't want to bother with reselling

zenith mirage Apr 23, 2019, 5:34 PM

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i saw that

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:34 PM

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that was too far for a joke

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:34 PM

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And you give it to someone which will actually use and need it

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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^

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she likes gaming

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so why not give her new shit

zenith mirage Apr 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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yeah i'm bad at selling stuff too, finally offloaded a 2 year old mobo after meaning to for ages

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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she also got a 1080ti from me

zenith mirage Apr 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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but still

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yikes my guy

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Oof

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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was a used one from my old pc

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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Ok, maybe that i'd have sold

zenith mirage Apr 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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i mean in the end it's yours to do with as you please but still

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jeeze

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:35 PM

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while im at it

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anyone want a banned switch that might have some other issues aswell

latent mural Apr 23, 2019, 5:36 PM

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Lol

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Nah, have my own already

zenith mirage Apr 23, 2019, 5:36 PM

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like, the console?

fair gull Apr 23, 2019, 5:36 PM

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yes

ashen spindle Apr 23, 2019, 5:36 PM

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like network switch ?