🔌│tech

[solar hinge]

Is it directly connected to a USB 2.0 port?

[latent mural]

my keyboard is new, usb 2

directly

[solar hinge]

Hmm it's best to ask in #archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards and ask for Tino or Mansen

They are better at troubleshooting than me

[latent mural]

thank you Quinn

[sick creek]

i wanted this until i saw that fucking graphic on the side

cringe AF

dear god that is so bad

[ashen spindle]

well personally I look at the monitor more than I look at the side of my mouse

[zenith mirage]

Tbf, I don't even notice the lights on my mouse when I'm using my PC, so I wouldn't motive a graphic. That said, it's pretty ugly

[ornate forge]

finalmouse ripoff?

[pale sigil]

Got access to a 20tb plex server, noice

[karmic grail]

@ornate forge it's supposed to be a affordable finalmouse, since people cant find finalmouse for cheap

[trail kiln]

Do the holes in the mouse serve a purpose? Because otherwise the inside of those is gonna be hand sweat mixed with dust and dead skin town.

[fleet basin]

I'd guess ventilation so your hands don't sweat as much

[karmic grail]

+light weight?

[broken venture]

I use 4 fans for my radiator and think that it’s an overkill

But this

[latent mural]

why do people think the model O is a finalmouse ripoff or a cheaper finalmouse

they just take the same route

but I guess the finalmice are thermaltake ventus ripoffs

[reef patrol]

Did someone say... Thermalfake?

[zenith sonnet]

I'll just stick to my overpriced brand mice

Although, if the holes actually improve ventilation, they would be nice to have

[karmic grail]

Great news

Found out the trackpoint on my ThinkPad is dead

And I get a replacement

Bad news is I don't know when they'll come to pick up my dead one and give me the replacement

[latent mural]

lol

last time we had to deal with lenovo support for a broken fan

they wanted to send over a technician for replacing

then decided against that

we got 18 delivery notices, that the delivery of a replacement part has started

after 10 the first arrived

in total we got 3

only took 3 months for the first one

[zenith sonnet]

🤔

[karmic grail]

oh god

They said it'll be a full laptop replacement

[karmic grail]

Yea fuck me

[latent mural]

rip

[pale sigil]

Quick

how to make a bootable linux usb

not live demo

[fleet basin]

You can sorta do both - a live USB stick with persistence. Saves space since the live filesystem is compressed

Short of that, get your distro's install image, plug the USB stick in, and boot the install image. It should see the stick and let you install to it. If not, you can boot the install image in VMware or Virtual Box. Use either USB passthrough or whatever system the VM has for raw disk passthrough (I know VBox at least supports it)

[pale sigil]

To late

Used some third party software

[plush summit]

quick question for those of you with android p

did your sound quality change with the update?

to me it sounds worse

[fair gull]

nope mines gotten better actually

[plush summit]

i cant tune out the higher frequencies

amd the bass boost sound....muddier

[latent mural]

haven't noticed a difference on my S8

[fair gull]

bass boost?

[plush summit]

yeah

[latent mural]

what phone do you use @plush summit

[plush summit]

s9

[fair gull]

didnt know android included frequency tuning and bass boosting

[plush summit]

yes

it does

[latent mural]

sure

[plush summit]

under sound

[latent mural]

can't you set your equalizer different

[plush summit]

and advanced sound settings

i did

[latent mural]

to counteract your problems

still worse?

[plush summit]

but it doesnt tune out the higher frequencies like it used to

[fair gull]

no bass boosting for me

must be some samsung crap

[plush summit]

even with this

it still doesnt sound right

[fair gull]

how about turn it off and see if it sounds shit

or if it just sounds normal as if u dont have an EQ on

[plush summit]

everything sounds too high for me

with it off

i just want my d&b

to sound like d&b

ive tried turning off all processing

and it sounds crystal clear

but my bass is just gone

origonaly....i never had those settings changed, i just used pi music player

and use the eq in there along with the bass boost

but it sound so muddy now

[fair gull]

pi music player?

wot

[plush summit]

https://100pilabs.com/

[fair gull]

i only use aimp

on phone and pc

both with the same eq settings

that way it sounds the same on any device i use

[plush summit]

ill try it

[fair gull]

dw the color is customized

[plush summit]

ill see of i can get my old setup back

[plush summit]

I use winamp for my pc

[fair gull]

winamp when aimp is around

aimp is pmuch the sucessor of winamp

[plush summit]

No

Winamp is back alive

New updates are out

[fair gull]

"update"

they just wanted to combat the leaked version

still wouldnt use winamp anymore

fell out of love with it

i used i on my phone till it got pie cause winamp wasnt working properly anymore then

[plush summit]

Still my favorite

[fair gull]

installed and confirmed its still trash

[plush summit]

I use a other plugin to tune the sound

I tried using music bee to keep the plugin

But it keepa crashing

[fair gull]

let me guess winamp still needs a plugin to play flac files?

[plush summit]

...idk

thanks for the media player

it displayes the art correctly as well

and it sound pretty dam close to the setup before the update

@fair gull i use themo stereo tool

for winamp

[fair gull]

so basically instead of using a player that doesnt output trash music to begin with u fix it with plugins

because iirc stereo tool was for fixing audio quality wasnt it

[plush summit]

idk

i tinkered for a few hours

and settles on things that i like

[fair gull]

i mean i settled for winamp till it didnt work anymore and winamp had more features built in so no worrying about outdated plugins etc

[plush summit]

i hate the organization system of aimp

by folder

[fair gull]

aimp mobile or desktop

[plush summit]

mobile

[fair gull]

they both have different systems

altho

winamp is also by folder

[plush summit]

yes

but

[fair gull]

anyway u can group by album

[plush summit]

it also shorts by artist

and album

aimp just sorts by folder

and i have no album tags

[fair gull]

it can group and sort by anything

[plush summit]

only artists

[fair gull]

top right -> group by -> artist/folder/album

whatever u want

[plush summit]

pi had options to sort by folder, artist, album...exept in different windows

this is kinda annoying to have to sort by whatever to find what i want each tme

[fair gull]

welp mobile version is inferior to aimp desktop sadly

doesnt even have music library feature

its all playlists

[plush summit]

i noticed

perhaps rocket music player would sound better ?

[fair gull]

wasnt that a player with premium version

[plush summit]

yeah

so i might not

since everything else is offer ed for free

equilizor plus was good

but they fucked it over with an update

[latent mural]

Woop

Next week Im gonna be able to start my Custom Loop build 😄

[reef patrol]

[plush summit]

GOoD LUCK

dont pull a bitwit

[fallow bison]

lmao

[zenith sonnet]

@latent mural Please give updates

[latent mural]

EK Blocks for both GPU and CPU and a DDC with an Aquacomputer top. Soft tubing( 😦 ), gonna get hard when I get some more moneys. And blue pastel fluid 😄

@zenith sonnet You might need to remind me ;D

[timid chasm]

Anybody got wireless earbud recommendations? Not true wireless. They gotta be connected to each other, non noise cancelling, and easy to pause and resume (in-line controls, tap controls, etc..).

[fleet basin]

If the Motorola S705 SoundPilot was still in production I'd highly recommend that - was a Bluetooth HSP (handset)/A2DP (stereo audio) end-point with a standard 3.5mm headphone jack. Basically let you turn any pair of headphones into Bluetooth. I have no idea why this didn't catch on and Motorola eventually discontinued it. Haven't been able to find similar elsewhere... only high-priced headphones with Bluetooth built-in

[zenith sonnet]

@latent mural Thinking about doing something similar with my VII

Although maybe I'll wait for Summer
Would be stupid to do it now if I wanna upgrade to Zen 2 anyway

[latent mural]

@zenith sonnet what's your current setup?

I've got Ryz 2600 so I will just need to sell the CPU and upgrade 😁

Gotta love that backward compatability

[swift wharf]

shouldn't wootility start with windows?

[timid chasm]

for what reason?

You only need it to change settings

[fallow bison]

You could autostart it by placing a shortcut in C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp

If the folder isnt there, create one

[zenith sonnet]

@latent mural 5820K

[soft spoke]

Looks like wooting has some competition 👀

[latent mural]

@zenith sonnet Well, clocked that CPU is a beast. But I understand, investing hundred of dollars on a dead platform isnt that attractive

[zenith sonnet]

Well, it never went higher than 4.1 stable

So, not that crazy

3700X/3800X, whichever clocks higher I'll get

How much of an IPC uplift is that gonna be?

[latent mural]

Hard to tell

Rumors says everything from 10-30% 😛

Everything between 4.6 and 5.15Ghz

@soft spoke Doesnt that just have like 8 analog buttons, rest Mx Red?

[soft spoke]

I have no clue, not even gonna bother looking at it cause I know wooting is better

[zenith sonnet]

@latent mural So, between 20% and 60% effective 😄

Nice enough, when you struggle to maintain 144 FPS most of the time

[reef patrol]

Rumors smumors.

Radeon VII was a commercial flop. I never trust hype

[latent mural]

Ryzen hype has never missed its mark this far tho

[latent mural]

wtf

the cm mk850 only has 8 analogue switches

and costs almost as much as 2 twootings

Aimpad would need to mess up pretty hard to make their switches feel exactly like MX reds

[pale sigil]

Ye

It's pretty meh price wise

@latent mural they've always been cherry, he tried to sell his own stuff via kickstarter years ago and failed

His price ranges are insane

[latent mural]

but if he removes the actuating parts tehy should feel a lot different?

and he needs to swap out the stems

[pale sigil]

He doesn't remove anything

That I know of

[latent mural]

oh

I see it on the side right now

[latent mural]

but why though

with the Flaretech approach you get much better key feeling

[pale sigil]

Because everyone has a boner for cherry mx

[latent mural]

and someone in the chain has a gigantic markup

[pale sigil]

Tbf though it is more stable

For analog

[latent mural]

even if

for that price you can get 2 keyboards

even a cm and a twooting

[pale sigil]

Ya that's my argument

[latent mural]

and the twooting has a better keyfeel

I personally don't even use the analogue aspects

[pale sigil]

Same

[zenith sonnet]

@reef patrol How's the VII a flop?

[reef patrol]

AMD basically touted it as the second coming. And it was nowhere near.

[zenith sonnet]

It performs just as AMD said it would
And even with the current drivers, it overclocks and undervolts really well

[reef patrol]

It really didn't - And it gets hot as heeeeeeeeel

[fair gull]

wasnt it basically said to be the RTX killer?

when it really wasnt

[zenith sonnet]

Mine runs just fine
68°C on the stock cooler at 1800/1200 MHz

[reef patrol]

Try 106C with the tiniest overclock ever.

[fair gull]

68°C

LOL

[reef patrol]

And that's in something as simple as COD

[zenith sonnet]

88°C Junction temps

[reef patrol]

Mnope

[zenith sonnet]

That's 3Dmark

Stress test

Half an hour Fire Strike/Time Spy

[reef patrol]

Welcome to AMD. Where two seemingly identical cards definitely are not.

[zenith sonnet]

Well, of the two, one runs 1800/1200 at 930mV, while the other needs 948mV

And performance is on par with the 2080 already
Maybe they should have waited to release the card to reviewers until 19.2.2 drivers were ready

Card's definitely not as bad as the launch reviews make it seem
Luckily

[reef patrol]

Performance was 2080 ish before release as well. And the 2080 is still cheaper...and a heck of a lot cooler (and less power hungry)

But to each their own. I'll use our sample as all the anecdotal evidence I need. Pre- and post release. 😄

[zenith sonnet]

Undervolted the power consumption is about on par with the 2080 at the same level of performance
And it's a lot quieter than running 150mV more than it needs through that chip

Although it's still not quiet

Maybe 40dB instead of 50, but that's a whole lot more acceptable
Good enough until I get it under water, certainly

[reef patrol]

I'm kind of gobsmacked at how willing people are to buy old GPUs. So far I've sold two cards for like 55€ each. A GTX680 and a R9 270X. Both old 2GB Models.

#springCleaning

[fair gull]

i did spring cleaning aswell when i threw my old pc into the trash

[gentle turret]

AMD know all about how willing people are to buy old GPUs

[fair gull]

now i regret it cause i want the i7-4790k back

[gentle turret]

selling leftover gimped MI50s as VIIs a year later

for 2016 Titan XP performance

[fair gull]

isnt that AMDs game plan since a few years? to resell pmuch the same gpu

[reef patrol]

I have a 4790 (non K sady) somewhere. Gotta get around to making an arcade for it or something.

[fallow bison]

Xeanoa, if you have two cards in crossfire, one will be hotter and thus need more power to get to the same performance probably

[zenith sonnet]

@fallow bison Two rigs, mine and wife's

@gentle turret Where do you even buy an MI50?
Couldn't find an actual price on it online

[gentle turret]

god knows where you buy any of AMDs datacenter stuff

you probably have to go direct

[sick creek]

AMD channel partners

i used to be an AMD partner

[zenith sonnet]

I see

[sick creek]

you wont really be able to anyway

[zenith sonnet]

Well, that's why it sells
Still curious about the price tag, though

[gentle turret]

well supposedly the VII is actually sold at a loss to AMD

so it's probably a high price

the VII is literally them cleaning leftover silicon

[crude cipher]

Pro cards are always stupid expensive

[zenith sonnet]

If anything, I'd be interested in abusing a full MI60, not an MI50
But if it's over 1000€, which is certainly is, it's not even worth it

[sick creek]

look at the nvidia quadro lol

fucking giant waste of money

[zenith sonnet]

The VII isn't sold at a loss

[gentle turret]

unless you're doing something that needs the peace of mind of certified drivers and ECC memory you may as well get a titan

since the titans get quadro optimisations now

[zenith sonnet]

Oh fuck, need to run

[gentle turret]

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-radeon-vii-stock-issues,news-59784.html

[zenith sonnet]

Gunna be 5 mins late ^^

[gentle turret]

According to its source, AMD will be making a net loss on each GPU sold to the consumer

because they're rebadged MI50s

[zenith sonnet]

That source used 2 years old HBM2 prices afaik

So, not really accurate

[gentle turret]

but AMD will have bought it at those prices

because it's just leftover MI50s which are old

[plush summit]

save us, intel

save us

[reef patrol]

[zenith sonnet]

Imagine AMD taking over the CPU market, and giving GPUs up to intel 😨

Still have a hard time believing that 5000 units rumour

That all started when OCUK claimed to have fewer than 100 units, but almost all stock allocated to the UK

I got mine on the 14th, after initial stock sold out in less than an hour

[latent mural]

mindfactory alone sold over 300

[zenith sonnet]

They also claimed there would be no restocking until March

Yeah, there's definitely more than 5000 out there

[latent mural]

they almost would've sold 10% of the stock alone

[zenith sonnet]

Doubtful

When was the 2080 Ti released?

[latent mural]

and Alternate de sais "delivery date unknown"

which basically says that there are more

uhh

[zenith sonnet]

And then there's Caseking and all those others

[latent mural]

caseking often shares storage with OCuk

ocuk might have only stored a little in the uk

[zenith sonnet]

Wonder how many sold in the US then

[latent mural]

less than in the EU

[zenith sonnet]

You think?

[latent mural]

the EU is still the bigger market

it has been forever

[zenith sonnet]

I hope they continue selling them for a while

Long enough to iron out the drivers, lol

[latent mural]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3445-evga-gtx-1660-ti-xc-review-benchmark

just look at the most recent GNreview

they always retest everything

doesn't seem to have improved much

[zenith sonnet]

Huh

Why does the VII fall behind thr 2080 on higher resolutions in Apex?

Shouldn't it gain ground ?

[latent mural]

it falls behind in a lot of scenarios

and that is only the founders 2080

[zenith sonnet]

Beats the 2080 at 1080p, though

But not at WQHD and 4k

Weird

[latent mural]

it has almost higher averages though

[reef patrol]

Higher resolutions put more demand on the GPU and removes the CPU from the FPS equation. This is why most reviews now are done at either 1440 or 2160P

[fading hollow]

hello just had a small problem to know if you too please, i put my computer to standby before removing dust from the keyboard (with an electrical blower) and when i resumed the pc the wooting was black, i had to unplug and replug it and it's working normally.. did 2 or 3 standy afterwards with no issue

[fading hollow]

yes did it again i had to switch off the computer so a problem after resume on my systeme otherwise works fine

[pale sigil]

F https://nllapps.com/apps/acr/google-denies-phone-number-accesss.htm

[pale sigil]

Baby is getting a wash

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-drowning-gif-5962131

[solar hinge]

british faucets

[reef patrol]

One for ice water, and one for scaling your enemies

[foggy solstice]

Why not just have one tap with temperature control though.

[zenith mirage]

A lot of new places do

[plush summit]

why am i reminded of vore

[zenith mirage]

[pale sigil]

Must be a quicker way to do this

[reef patrol]

Good shake in a kitchen towel, leave overnight on a slightly heated radiator.

IN the towel of course.

[pale sigil]

Meant springs

[glossy spruce]

What does that do? Loosen the springs or something?

[pale sigil]

@glossy spruce I replaced the springs with higher springs

[glossy spruce]

o

[plush summit]

lucky to have such coordination to deal with small things

[pale sigil]

@plush summit 11 euros fam

[pale sigil]

feeling the pressure literally

xD

[karmic grail]

200g springs

[plush summit]

https://youtu.be/a01QQZyl-_I?t=35

the obligatory music video

[pale sigil]

I regret eferything

Mushy af now

Flare tech blues simply aren't designed for these sprints

Springs

[plush summit]

XD

[karmic grail]

Worth the 8 day wait + bid?

[toxic jolt]

what are you gonna use it for lmao

"keyboard" might work

you gonna buy ps2 or something

[karmic grail]

Itrue

[karmic grail]

shelf piece

[fallow bison]

Key chain could be cool

But 31 big ones for a key chain naaaah

[fair gull]

how about a mug warmer

i built one out of an athlon

[zenith sonnet]

Has anyone done a longterm packet loss test on their connection?

[karmic grail]

31$ for a keychain hell no

chuck it into my system and see what happens lol

blows up

[fallow bison]

Did you really? BigBrainAFK

[karmic grail]

@fair gull

[fallow bison]

O thank

[karmic grail]

haha

im curious on how you made a mug warmer

did you just take a whole motherboard and power it on or...?

[fallow bison]

Imagine it falling over on the mobo

@karmic grail https://youtu.be/Bw2p-Dmn48U

[karmic grail]

using a ryzen 1700 as a hand warmer

nice

[fallow bison]

Got no time to watch, but seems like you can apply power to some pins

Lol

[karmic grail]

why do i need a arduino

oh its just a temp manager

[reef patrol]

[gentle turret]

@zenith sonnet yea I use TBB's CQM so it's constantly monitoring ping and packet loss and graphing it

[zenith sonnet]

What's your average packet loss?

[gentle turret]

0%

packet loss isn't something you should have

[zenith sonnet]

Indeed

[gentle turret]

there isn't an acceptable percentage as it's a fault indicator

[zenith sonnet]

Mine averages about 0.3% :/

[gentle turret]

or just a small momentary blip

[zenith sonnet]

I'm starting to think it's something in the cable network outside my house, though

[gentle turret]

I saw you say you were having the modem replaced for power levels?

that shouldn't really affect the power levels, if you're on DOCSIS you'd need to either be moved onto another tap at the cab or have attenuators attached to your coax

[zenith sonnet]

Got a new one (6490 instead of an 6360), when I upgraded to 400/50 mbit
Power level stayed the same

[gentle turret]

what're the levels?

[zenith sonnet]

Called the ISP on Thursday, technician on the phone (took me 15 min to bypass the damn Vodaphone AI, fuck that thing) recognized the problems and tried to schedule a technician visit
15 mins later I get an SMS that it was canceled, my problems were apparently part of an larger outage... BS

Levels were 54 dBuV down and 94 dBuV up

[gentle turret]

54 or 5.4?

[zenith sonnet]

54

It's in dBuV, not dBmV

[gentle turret]

oh that's an odd thing to show them in

[zenith sonnet]

Don't ask me why

[gentle turret]

those both seem to be within normal specs for DOCSIS

[zenith sonnet]

94 is a tad bit low, but nothing extreme

Now i have 65 down and 106 dBuV up

Tried a different cable to connect the Modem, same quality, just +3dBuV on the levels because its shorter

Tried connecting the modem directly, bypassing the splitter and amplifier in the basement

Upload is still bad

Rates are variable, I sometimes get 50, sometimes not even 5 mbit, packet loss remains unchanged at 0.3%

So, I assume we've got some bad hardware somewhere in the network

[gentle turret]

is your modem managing to lock 4 upstream channels at 64 QAM?

[zenith sonnet]

It's always changing, best I've seen is 3 with 64 and one with 32

Sometimes it's not even one with 64

[gentle turret]

yea that's a fault somewhere then

the modulation shouldn't change

I had an issue with it changing after having mine installed where it'd drop to 16QAM and be fine, but if it went higher my connection would become unusable since the higher modulations are more dependent on the channels being clean

mine was fixed by them swapping out my ONU, but you probably don't have one of those by sounds of things

[zenith sonnet]

Not sure what that is, tbh

[gentle turret]

optical network unit, I'm on one of those newfangled RFoG connections

[zenith sonnet]

Ah, no

All copper here

[gentle turret]

yea so the fault's probably at the cabinet

could even be caused by another customer

[zenith sonnet]

That's what I think

Guess I gotta call again

Urgh, this has been going on for quite a few weeks now, gradually getting worse

[gentle turret]

just be persistent and you'll probably get somewhere

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality

you can set up a CQM here, it'll be tested from the UK so pings will be higher

but it should graph out the loss for you

for example here's mine

the spiky maximum latency is normal for a DOCSIS connection so nothing to worry about

[zenith sonnet]

Tried the other, new, shorter cable again

Getting those numbers

Power level for the upstream is a little high

But not problematic

408 down, 14 up :/

[gentle turret]

only 20 downstream channels?

that's not a problem but it's somewhat strange

[plush summit]

oh good
[glsl shaders]:error program 'final' error line NaN " "

fucking fantastic

thanks for the info

[gentle turret]

@zenith sonnet according to the internet CATV operates at 75ohm meaning 111 dBuV is 51dBmV

which yeah is the very upper end of the allowable spec upstream

[zenith sonnet]

Yeah
Although as I understand, the limit is mostly because of interference with other devices?
Internet performs about the same on 94 or 111 dBuV

Or anywhere inbetween

[gentle turret]

well 4 channels at 64QAM are 23 to 51 dBmV for spec

I haven't the faintest idea why your modem uses dBuV

considering even the official specification for EuroDOCSIS 3 uses dBmV as the unit

[zenith sonnet]

it's to do with the providers firmware

They also disabled bridge mode and stuff

Don't ask me...

[gentle turret]

classic vodaphone

[zenith sonnet]

😔

I'll take the amplifier back online and try to get the values perfect

[gentle turret]

you probably just need moving onto a better tap point at the cab to fix your upstream

that'll take an engineer visit

[zenith sonnet]

Try to get them to send one 😒

[zenith sonnet]

Lol

That thing just creates huge imbalances between the channels

Lol, ok
Called the hotline again, apparently I misunderstood their response

They're still working on the issue, apparently it's a network issue, god knows when it'll be fixed, though

[zenith sonnet]

@gentle turret Btw, those are the values I get if I connect the modem to the old, long cable, which goes from the basement to the attic and back to the ground floor, so spanning 5 floors, lol
The power levels and MSE are pretty darn good, so I'm gonna leave it like that
That old amplifier and 3-way splitter are for the trash
With the new cable, which goes straight from the basement to the ground floor, the signal isn't significantly better and the power level even a little too high, so I'd probably ideally need a dampener

[gentle turret]

makes me glad I'm not on a HFC network

[zenith sonnet]

Explain

[gentle turret]

Hybrid Fibre Coax

the type of network you're on where hub to the cabinet and the cabinet to you is copper coax

[zenith sonnet]

I meant, why are you glad?

I mean, fibre to the house is probably even better, but at least its not DSL?

[gentle turret]

oh because on an RFoG network the power levels are just from the modem to the ONU so issues aren't really a thing

it can take a few engineer visits before they finally discover what the actual cause is sometimes

sounds like hassle

[zenith sonnet]

There was a company that wanted to build a fibre network in our town a few years ago
They tried to find potential customers for half a year, and if there were enough, they'd build fibre all over town
They cancelled the attempt after 3 months, because people just weren't interested 😦

Meanwhile half of town is still on 2 mbit DSL and can't get better because the hub is over in the next town

Fuck old people 😅

[gentle turret]

ah well at least you're not my german friend

he's on slow DSL

whilst the street adjacent him has DOCSIS

[zenith sonnet]

Yeah, it's like for a large portion of the town
Like half of it, random streets, have cable, the other doesn't

Wonder if we'll get DOCSIS 3.1 Full Duplex here within the next decade

[gentle turret]

I'm getting 500mbps in a month as a free upgrade when they roll it out

so that's 575mbps since my ISP overprovisions by 15%

[latent mural]

@zenith sonnet we had coxsis 3.1 for about 10 years in the village I lived in previously

[gentle turret]

and they're starting a 3.1 rollout in two cities later in the year

you didn't have DOCSIS 3.1 for 10 years

[latent mural]

whic has under 700 people and doesn't lead anywhere

[gentle turret]

it only started production in 2013

[zenith sonnet]

Mine only overprovisions by about 4-5%

[latent mural]

oh, rioght, nevermind

we had docsis 3 at the start

and tehn it was upgarded to 3.1 for some reason

[gentle turret]

because 3.1 is considerably better

[latent mural]

they didn't offer anything better than what 3.0 did

[zenith sonnet]

Wonder why they don't upgrade us 😦

[gentle turret]

but it takes a significant amount of network upgrades and new hardware to migrate to

[zenith sonnet]

Oh, costs...

[latent mural]

and not a lot of people even used those offerings to theri fullest extend

[gentle turret]

well even moving to 3.1 but keeping the same speeds is better

since 3.1 has more channels and faster channels

so more customers on the same supply

[latent mural]

yea

they had like 4-5 customers in the whole village using the 400 Mbit/s they offered

[zenith sonnet]

We get 400 mbit here, but not 500mbit
Which makes me think 400 is the end for 3.0, and 500/1000 are 3.1 speeds

[gentle turret]

I expect my ISP to start splitting the network at some point in the coming years

[latent mural]

in theory 3.0 should be able to do gigabit

[gentle turret]

to HFC customers stay on DOCSIS but FTTP go to EPON instead of RFoG

they're already trialing it

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/02/virgin-media-uk-trial-8mbps-home-broadband-in-cambridgeshire.html

[zenith sonnet]

With 'upload boost', still getting only 50 mbit up
Significantly better than it used to be, but they should be able to do more

[latent mural]

50 mbit is a lot more than what I got

I had like 25

[gentle turret]

DOCSIS 3.0 can do a theoretical 200mbps upload, but it's not realistic

got that number grossly wrong then

[latent mural]

still multiple times that what they acctually deliver

rip me now

[gentle turret]

I get 400/22 right now

575/38 in a month

so you've got better ratios than me

[latent mural]

ratio is better

in total it is a lot slower

even though I technically live in a city now

and when my roommates upload something it is blocked for multiple hours

[zenith sonnet]

I should be able to get real world ~410/~51.5 with overprovisioning when they fixed the wire or network or whatever issues they have

Thing I'm more interested in at this point are better pings than better speeds, though

[gentle turret]

pings should stabilise when they fix the upstream issues

[latent mural]

good thing my ping has been low enough for years

[zenith sonnet]

Lowest I ever had to a speedtest server was 9ms

Currently I can't get under 15

But real world pings are often much higher

Like 30-40ms to the lowest ping Apex servers

[latent mural]

I mainly play warframe, which is ptp anyways

so a ping under 100 is considered acceptable

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8082325878.png

Best one so far

Upload spontaneously can reach 52, or combust totally, though

Had anywhere from 2 to 52

[gentle turret]

tracerouting the EU West apex legends server is fun

45% of my ping is from me to the headend for my area, another 45% is from there to london

the final 10% is london to amsterdam for the server

so the longest distance contributes the lowest ping increase

[solar hinge]

Because NL is cool like that

@zenith sonnet currently on a bus with 4g+ in the city centre of Amsterdam

17 ping

[reef patrol]

[zenith sonnet]

@gentle turret Frankfurt 1, 2, Amsterdam and London are all about 32-36ms for me, usually

Often plays like 350, though

[solar hinge]

@zenith sonnet
https://www.speedtest.net/result/8082984534.png

[zenith sonnet]

[solar hinge]

which karlsruhe are you connected to?

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8082987335.png

[zenith sonnet]

There's more than one?

[solar hinge]

starface GmbH and the one above

[zenith sonnet]

Lowest ping I can consistently get

[latent mural]

is your ISP really called Ziggo?

[zenith sonnet]

Used to be 7-8ms in good times

[solar hinge]

yes it is 😃

[latent mural]

and @zenith sonnet what is your dns?

wtf

[solar hinge]

it is now combined with vodafone

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8082989503.png

[zenith sonnet]

@latent mural Yes, why?

[solar hinge]

well ping didn't change for the other karlsruhe

[zenith sonnet]

TelemaxX Telekommunikation GmbH
Karlsruhe
Change Server

This one

[solar hinge]

that was the first one

with the higher download

[zenith sonnet]

Although they probably route via Frankfurt anyway

Karlsruhe is 25km from here, lol

[pale sigil]

@solar hinge that's slow for a city

[zenith sonnet]

That server gives me the best speeds

[solar hinge]

what is?

[zenith sonnet]

The Vodafone server in Frankfurt gives me the lowest pings

[pale sigil]

Here we get like the most I've seen was 60mb/s

[latent mural]

@zenith sonnet what is your dns?

[pale sigil]

4g in a city

[solar hinge]

for me it's 500 km away from karlsruhe

ow, that was while being on the bus and in a slower area

[latent mural]

@pale sigil 400mbits is about 56MB/s

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8082993145.png

[solar hinge]

where i used to live i got 5ping and 150mbit down and 80-140mbit up

with 4G+

[pale sigil]

Qhinns pic

[latent mural]

@zenith sonnet if you change your dns to 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8 it may be much better

[pale sigil]

Was 34mb

[solar hinge]

the one from earlier :p

[olive tulip]

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8082992842.png

[solar hinge]

yeah, but i was on the bus 😃

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8082995047.png

[pale sigil]

XD on giffgaff I get like 8mb/s

On 4g

[zenith sonnet]

Nope ^^

[latent mural]

rip

https://i.imgur.com/xwLTCD2.png

[olive tulip]

Rip 4G+ https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/4736540304

[solar hinge]

@zenith sonnet
https://www.speedtest.net/result/8082997848.png

[latent mural]

actually quite interesting how I got a much better ping to 8.8.8.8

[solar hinge]

the only vodafone i could see

[zenith sonnet]

There's only one Vodafone DE in Frankfurt listed, afaik

Which server in Amsterdam did you use?

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8082999285.png

[zenith sonnet]

[olive tulip]

rip

[pale sigil]

My mobile speed

However my WiFi is capped at 124mb/s

Cos I'm to poor

[olive tulip]

i was getting similar speeds on mobile

[zenith sonnet]

Actually I get 222 mbit over Wifi

Used it be 55 with the old router

[olive tulip]

fastest i ever got on this line was 201 mbit over cable, on wifi it is around 120

[pale sigil]

Fastest I can get is 350

[zenith sonnet]

252 now

0.9% loss T.T

Hope they fix this shit soon

They might have to upgrade the CMTS, though
Or schedule a visit with another customer to fix their faulty hardware

[olive tulip]

https://www.speedtest.net/result/8083007905.png

[zenith sonnet]

NL got high average speeds....

I've get better than 99% of Germany every time

[olive tulip]

tbh i don't even think my current router can handle any faster

[latent mural]

tbh, the only ones in germany that have a better connection are those in one of 8 gigabit cities and even tehn only in small parts of those cities

[olive tulip]

it took like 6 isp techs to get the speed to where it is now

idk if there are any isp's here that do gigabit

[solar hinge]

@zenith sonnet i used the Tele2 one, this gave me the lowest ping i believe

plenty of people here that have fibre

funny enough, tele2 is a competitor

Check out my Speedtest result! How fast is your internet? http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/4736591142

@olive tulip i'm in hoofddorp and the above is 4g+ in my apartment :p

biggest issue is the fucking building in that is right in front my apartment that is blocking a better signal with the celltower

if i go, maybe 100m to left

i get 190mbit down and 120mbit up 😢

if i had that now, i wouldn't have gotten a regular internet line as i have unlimited data

[pale sigil]

Want to test without ads quinn?

[olive tulip]

i live near the beach and when i am inside a building i barely get any signal

[solar hinge]

I just want the ad gone :p

[olive tulip]

@solar hinge is your connection setting set to single or multi?

[solar hinge]

No idea

You mean on speedtest?

[carmine depot]

https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/4736598385

[pale sigil]

My grandparents we literally get no signal

Nothing

0% not even emergency

You have to go up to the attic

[solar hinge]

I haven't updated the app in a long time

I don't think it shows

[olive tulip]

ah okay

[carmine depot]

I get 477 over wifi

[solar hinge]

@carmine depot we're testing 4g

[carmine depot]

Ah Ok

[solar hinge]

Also normal connection, just messing with you

😁

[carmine depot]

Oh lol

Max I tend to get on mobile signal is 15

[olive tulip]

mobile results are kinda all over the place

[carmine depot]

Yeah

[olive tulip]

the nearest 4G tower is like 800 meters away

[solar hinge]

mine is like 150m i think

[olive tulip]

in my area there is like only 1 vodafone tower

[solar hinge]

The issue for me is the big ass building right in between the tower and my apartment

[olive tulip]

there is like a whole town between me and the tower

[carmine depot]

Different times of year the whole vodafone network clogs up with amount of users

and speed etc suffers

[olive tulip]

tbh i am surprised the vodafone network here even works with 1 tower

like 1 doesn't seem enough

[carmine depot]

Ive no idea how many masts are near me

All I know is a helicopter crashed into one

So one mast less

[olive tulip]

there are 9 4G/LTE masts near me

[chrome estuary]

fuuuuuuuck

[karmic grail]

Wish this was a thing

[zenith sonnet]

What's an OP-1?

[zenith sonnet]

Recommendations for a new 144Hz WQHD Freesync monitor?

New displays of that type seem to come with VA now instead of IPS

[reef patrol]

Which is definitely a good thing.

[zenith sonnet]

Much better contrast, and a lot worse viewing angles

[pale sigil]

Ye VA is the middle ground

as some ips panels are 1 expensive and 2 cause ghosting apparently?

never noticed personally

[reef patrol]

Worse viewing angles - Are you actually sharing the monitor with anyone?

[pale sigil]

I thought va was decent with viewing angles

[reef patrol]

I have a curved 1440 VA, and I cannot for the life of me see any shift in colour due to viewing angles. And it's a 32" so there's a LOT of monitor to shift 😄

[zenith sonnet]

Apparently its bad enough to see at the edges of the display when sitting in front of it or moving left and right slightly

Looking at this one currently

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/chg70

[reef patrol]

I can't do that, no matter how hard I try

[zenith sonnet]

Well, I can see a very slight colour shift on my Eizo IPS, so maybe I'm just sensitive

[pale sigil]

i fucking regret replacing springs in my wootin g

like hot damn i hate it

[zenith sonnet]

Not that you notice when there's action

The hell kinda springs did you use?

[pale sigil]

80g

which i use on another board

it just doesn't feel right on flaretech blues at all

[zenith sonnet]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/rog-swift-pg279qz
Alternative IPS
Viewing angles are a hell of a lot better

[pale sigil]

3 years in

still lookign for a monitor

xD

i wish you the best of luck picking one right for you

[zenith sonnet]

I like my FS2735

[reef patrol]

IPS and gaming though.... and contrast issues. No thanks 😄

[zenith sonnet]

But nowadays you can get similar performance for half the price

[reef patrol]

Also... it's a ROG monitor. You pay half the price for the GAMUR branding

[pale sigil]

never had an issue with ips

honestly

[zenith sonnet]

Blacks could be slightly better, that's true

But the colours and viewing angles make up for it

[reef patrol]

I politely disagree. At least for gaming purposes 😄

[pale sigil]

Mansen come to the uk and swap my springs back

cba

[zenith sonnet]

Well, TN is just horrible to use

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

TN is aids

[zenith sonnet]

Technically its the best solution for gaming

[reef patrol]

http://us.aoc.com/en/gaming/products/ag322qc4
This is my current monitor.

Only real downside I can think of, is that it doesn't play well with Gsync

[zenith sonnet]

No Freesync monitor plays as well with Gsync as it does with Freesync

[reef patrol]

Some do though

[zenith mirage]

I have a VA monitor, and while I like it, the colours are noticeably flatter than my IPS panels. And when things get real dark on screen, I have to adjust the way I look at it to see clearly

But overall, I like it

[reef patrol]

Always have your monitor hardware calibrated.

Factory calibration can be really bad

[zenith mirage]

I've fiddled with the calibration options and got it to a better point, but I'd really like one of those devices that can help you make it as good as possible

But they're expensive :(

[ashen spindle]

ye I have a VA as my main monitor, IPS for the second screen and they look way too different imo, need to find a store where I can lend a good calibrator lmao

[zenith mirage]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FB3JLLS?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

This is the one I have if anyone cares. Got it for like £230 so it was a good deal imo

As basic as they come, but still pretty good

[zenith sonnet]

I've recently adjusted contrast on mine from 50 to 56
But overall, it was factory calibrated nearly perfectly
Maybe the recalibration was just needed because the panel degrades a little after 3 years of use

[reef patrol]

Every single monitor I have reviewed had massive improvements across the board, after I ran it through my calibrator.

[zenith sonnet]

What do you use to calibrate?

[reef patrol]

I use a Spyder 5 Elite from Datacoler.

[pale sigil]

i hate america

[zenith sonnet]

AG322QC4

[reef patrol]

[zenith sonnet]

I'd use it
But I probably won't buy it

How much of a difference does going from 27" to 32" @WQHD make?
Feel like it's getting to large for the resolution

[pale sigil]

Screw it, going to switch to other wooting, really cant be assed oppening all these switches again

god damn it mansen

im blaming it on you for no reason

[reef patrol]

I think it's a sizeable difference

A curved monitor kind of needs to be able to eat up most of your peripheral vision, otherwise it's wasted.

[zenith sonnet]

You can already easily see individual pixels on 27" WQHD at arm's length
32" you'd probably want 4k

[reef patrol]

I'm not a pixelphile.

I want my PC to be functional in games, not just on the desktop

Also.... 4K 144fps.... I'm not rich 😄

[zenith sonnet]

Don't think it's really viable

[pale sigil]

32" and 4k

[zenith sonnet]

CPU bottlenecks are still a thing

[pale sigil]

I run 1080p on 27"

lol

i had a 4k 27" for a few days

was a bit annoying...

[reef patrol]

CPU bottlenecks kind of vanish past 1080P

[zenith sonnet]

At 4k 144Hz you'll get a GPU bottleneck on top of it

[reef patrol]

Not really

[zenith sonnet]

Nah
Most games, I hit a CPU bottleneck before getting 144 Hz stable

[reef patrol]

The GPU -IS- the only bottleneck at those resolutions

[zenith sonnet]

Even on low settings

Like in Apex, I occasionally drop below 100

But can maintain 144Hz like 50% of the time, at least

[reef patrol]

My 2080 manages to pull about 100-110 stable in New Dawn on Ultra. took it down a notch to get closer to 144 stable.

[pale sigil]

@latent mural btw i lost my anne pro somehow

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

legit cant find it anywhere

[latent mural]

Wtf how

[zenith sonnet]

I hope Zen 2 will improve the situation somewhat

I hope for at least 10% more IPC than my 5820K and 20% higher clocks

[reef patrol]

5Ghz gogo

Manual overclocked of course

[zenith sonnet]

It's probable
At least with OC, if not stock on 1 or 2 models

Wonder how well it will play with memory

Zen was a little weak on that front

[reef patrol]

Ryzen 2 caught up pretty well.

Only my first gen Ryzens had issues with "bad" 3200mhz RAM

[zenith sonnet]

Did Asus ever make a Freesync version of this ASUS PG279QZ?

[karmic grail]

hNNNG c'mon glorious model O

give us pre-order date alreadyyy

[pale sigil]

kinda sucks

i was considering it

but i need a mouse NOW

im using such an old mouse the software is cs source

as the background

😓

[latent mural]

I'm using such a new mouse that there is no software

in fact

[pale sigil]

had to send my glaive off

[latent mural]

most of my mice don't come with software

[pale sigil]

oh, damn

glorious mouse is gloss

why the fuck

[latent mural]

it is both

there are multiple versions

there is also a matt version

and both in black in white

[pale sigil]

speaking of software

considering how popular logitech is

their software is garbage

[latent mural]

tbh

logitech software is quite good in comparison

[pale sigil]

Corsairs is godly

[zenith sonnet]

The new one is kinda weird, still

[pale sigil]

vs logitech

[latent mural]

razer is THE worst

and I don't get why corsair is so weird witrh rgb effects

some can use lightning link while others can't

then there is a default effect which is only usable if you just close the software

even though it should switch to what you set as the hardware effect

and, tbh what do you need the software for?

[pale sigil]

everything

profiles, configs, auto exe switching etc

[latent mural]

set your dpi once and you're done

[pale sigil]

macros and so on

[karmic grail]

Logitech's software is pretty good (straight forward) but haven't really used other ones

[latent mural]

I once tried synapse 3 at a friend

absolute garbage

[karmic grail]

I tried the Corsair software for my friends K95 platinum

Was hot trash

[latent mural]

I use iCUE for my l120 fans

[pale sigil]

logitechs software feels like it was made by someone finishing uni

[latent mural]

not that good, since it is convoluted af

[pale sigil]

feel like im using something from windows xp

[latent mural]

@pale sigil you know that there is a newer version?

[pale sigil]

this is the newest version

[latent mural]

no

there is a new software

idk what it was called

even more straightforward

[pale sigil]

g hub

good to know

[latent mural]

and you should consider that the loigtech gaming software is like 15 years old now

[pale sigil]

no u

[fallow bison]

F

[karmic grail]

Is it bad that I can't tell the difference between a fully weighted 502 and no weight 502

[latent mural]

a brick is a brick

[karmic grail]

like I feel there is virtually no difference when I add weights

wankers arm

[pale sigil]

i felt the same

when i had mine

that died in a day

x.x

[karmic grail]

did you at least RMA it

[pale sigil]

fuck no i got a refund

xD

[karmic grail]

Close enough

[pale sigil]

why deal with rma

when amazon can do it for me

and just refund me 😄

[latent mural]

logitech rma is like

[karmic grail]

I RMA'd mine for a broken cord (took 2 months for my replacement)

[latent mural]

so your device broke?

[karmic grail]

HERES A NEW ONE

[pale sigil]

i heard logitech are so so so bad

with rma

[latent mural]

send us a picture of the mouse and your s/n and you'll get a new one

[karmic grail]

Logitech is good

[pale sigil]

and find any way possible to not rma

[latent mural]

logitech is actually quite good

[pale sigil]

but then again people say the same about corsair but they replaced and upgraded my cooler in 3 days

lol

[karmic grail]

The worst case I've heard with Logitech is someone have a nonfunctional mouse

Logitech told him he had to destroy it to get a new one

[latent mural]

intel is THE worst

[reef patrol]

Logitech tends to just ask me to take a hammer to their stuff, and they ship a new one 😄

[karmic grail]

Like destroy destroy

[latent mural]

they didn't in the past

at least in europe

[pale sigil]

better destroy and deal with sending it

tbh

[karmic grail]

Think people started abusing that RMA

[pale sigil]

You know how annoying it was to shop a H80I?

Annoying

i had to pay for delivery 😦

[latent mural]

rip

i once had to rma a 750d sidepanel

[reef patrol]

Always contact seller, not manufacturer 😄

[pale sigil]

GOD DAMN IT G703 IS OUT OF STOCK FOR 2 HOUR DELIVERY

[latent mural]

because the replacement part was so badly packaged it arrived bend

just get a 603

[karmic grail]

I'm a bit concerned about my AIO
If it dies I don't know where to bring it to replace/refund

[pale sigil]

out of stock

:/

[latent mural]

if mine dies i'll get a refund

not very impressed by the looks of my kraken

[karmic grail]

Asian market
Thermal take
AIO

Oh boi

[latent mural]

tbh

[pale sigil]

Probably gonan get g403

g305 was way to small

[latent mural]

you likely can contact thermaltake

[karmic grail]

I'm going back to a beefy cooler once im done with the aio

[latent mural]

@pale sigil get a zowie

[pale sigil]

god damn amazon and min price for delivery

[karmic grail]

get a Air58 😂

[latent mural]

not possible

[pale sigil]

i need a new mouse asap 😦

[latent mural]

get a ec2-b

[karmic grail]

That NINJA tax

[latent mural]

in pink or blue

[pale sigil]

LOL

64 quid

for 3200 dpi too

LUL

[latent mural]

you pay for the dpi

[karmic grail]

fk2+

what the fuck

[latent mural]

it has the same sensor everyone else uses

[pale sigil]

bitch i use 16000 dpi

[latent mural]

there is no fk2+

wtf

[karmic grail]

WHY IS MY EMOJIS BROKEN?

[latent mural]

the sensor gets more inaccurate

[karmic grail]

*fk2 my bad

[latent mural]

and look at what the pros are using

either a sponsored logitech or a zowie

usually ec or fk

[pale sigil]

paid to use

[latent mural]

nah

usually sponsored

[ashen spindle]

I'm certain you use 16k dpi with downscaling somewhere else so you dont really need it

[latent mural]

not with zowie though

[karmic grail]

16k dpi is crazy

[pale sigil]

im crazy

[karmic grail]

I barely use 800+ dpi

[latent mural]

16k dpi is unusable

[pale sigil]

its not tho

you just get used to it

[karmic grail]

then again I have a SMOLL desk

[latent mural]

and you loose a lot of the benefits of an accurate sensor

[pale sigil]

1v1 me and see who loses

[ashen spindle]

are you sure you never decresed mouse speed in the windows settings for example?

[pale sigil]

pft

[latent mural]

have you switched off mouse acceleration?

[pale sigil]

i have never touched windows settings except for the mouse acceleration

[latent mural]

what mouse do you even use?

16k dpi is only logitech hero?

[pale sigil]

used a corsair glaive

[karmic grail]

rip purple purple guy tino

is now orange tino

[latent mural]

oh tight

corsair fucked the 3360 to get 16k dpi

fuck accuarcy

[pale sigil]

As much as i loved it

[latent mural]

the people need more SPEEEEEED

[pale sigil]

i dont want to rebuy it

[ashen spindle]

120g? damn that mouse is heavy

[zenith sonnet]

Wait, isn't everyone using MarkC mosue fix to disable acceleration?

[reef patrol]

I sure hope so.

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heavy mice are the best mice

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why make good mice if you can try to sell overpriced pieces of crap?

more weight = more good

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just strap some weights to the 502

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just tape your old logitech m100 to a brick and you are all set

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im not a believer in the price mice cost, that particular case i saved 1000 pounds and felt like spoiling myself

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Fill it with sand or something

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thus i bought an overpriced mouse

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don't forget the shitty cable of the g502

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😄

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I will never forget the shitty cable for 502

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Was considering this

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Programmable-Multicolour-Lighting-Lightweight/dp/B01MQE8CJW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1551618050&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+mouse

my cousin has one

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though the newer hero 502 has a nicer cable according to somewhere I read

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@zenith sonnet is that tool doing anything more than what disabling mouse accell in windows manually does?

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https://www.alternate.de/Corsair/HARPOON-RGB-Gaming-Maus/html/product/1486987?

must be good

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holy

17 euros?

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they basically throw them away

but only 6k dpi

crap mouse

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ur crap

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a mouse is a mouse

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I swear if we don't get 32k dpi by 2020 i am going to kill the pixart ceo

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until you start throwing it when you feel stuttering

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why tf do you need 32k dpi

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more dpi = better

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SPEED MOTHER FUCKERS