🔌│tech

[pale sigil]

But I don't wanna lose shadow play

[misty saffron]

those are apparently revealed at ces

[pale sigil]

:(

[misty saffron]

yeah nvenc is real nice

[timid chasm]

Love to see AMD come out with a kickass gpu

[pale sigil]

I would too

[misty saffron]

they already kicked ass with ryzen

at least in i-dont-got-a-lot-of-money segment

[pale sigil]

Ish

Cost for Performance

[karmic grail]

At least theyve done a dent in the APU market

[misty saffron]

you could buy a shitty i3 cpu or a very good ryzen cpu

[karmic grail]

2200g/2400g is the budget go to atleast

[misty saffron]

the choice is obvious

[neat oriole]

I really hope AMD does something decent in terms GPU so I won’t have to pay 1k for a 2080Ti

[misty saffron]

https://www.ces.tech/conference/Keynotes/AMD-Keynote.aspx

btw

[pale sigil]

So far away

[misty saffron]

AMD is catapulting computing, gaming, and visualization technologies forward with the world’s first 7nm high-performance CPUs and GPUs, providing the power required to reach technology’s next horizon.

can't be there for no reason

[pale sigil]

Marketing

[latent mural]

Well

Depends if they even release a desktop part any time soon

They could just release new radeon instincts and epyc rome

[latent mural]

"I really hope AMD does something decent in terms GPU so I won’t have to pay 1k for a 2080Ti"

ha, don't be silly!

washes his red shirts with bleach diluted in tears

tbh

I don't think AMD can beat a 2080Ti this year

at least not with parts intended for desktop use

[misty saffron]

already a win for them if they beat nvidia's mid-range gpus, though

[latent mural]

i just hope some magic happens and ?tomorrow? we get an announcement that midrange navi will come in less than a month and will have usb-c

why usb c though

i very specifically need it

can't you jsut get a motherboard with it

or a pcie card

can't be that expensive

needs to be usb-c display port alternate mode compatible

ah

ye

i'd guess they'll have VR link and by that usb C

just rolls off the tongue

If they deliver something that has teh power of the 1080 ti or 2080 i'd consider it a success for them

they should but no leaks of now

for sure they wont

we'd have leaks by now

they propably are waiting so they can make a big show out of their releases if the leaks are true

the price will be 100 usd more

sounds realistic to me, except for the price

ye

and they likely won't use gddr6

[misty saffron]

@latent mural not tomorrow

the keynote is on 10th

[latent mural]

hbm 2 or an improvement is much more likely

[pale sigil]

Safe to say this is never getting de soldered

It's embarrassing

[misty saffron]

and ryzen's prices weren't looking too real either

[latent mural]

i hope it's not hbm2, then that's 150 usd more

[misty saffron]

so if they wanted to kick ass (which they obviously do) they'd go with low prices

[latent mural]

ye

but the most important thing

when do we get the next finalmeme mouse

[spare wave]

Well, NVIDIA didn't have competition for a long time. So now they might get off their asses and start investing in more RnD.
I think in the long run NVIDIA and Intel will stay above AMD in the high performance and industrial applications. Provided they start seeing AMD as a threat.

And even if I'm wrong, I'll probably get better, a bit less expensive parts than last year in the coming two ^^

[latent mural]

nvidia will definetley stay above

intel won't if they don't improve a lot more

[misty saffron]

buying an amd gpu would be a no-brainer for me if they turn out being as cheap and competitive

[latent mural]

ye

well they were with polaris

and if you really need a midrange gpu you can get a 580 for under 200€

can you?

well

they are often in sale in germany

and the 1060 basically isn't available anymore

they have 3 models left

[misty saffron]

a 1060 is cheaper here

[latent mural]

thats it for this shop

lemme check others

[spare wave]

Literally the first one on google that turns up is 190.

[misty saffron]

not cheaper, but costs pretty much the same

https://i.holl0w.me/UNbciSgYLA.png https://i.holl0w.me/hg10abXk63.png

[spare wave]

granted, that one's a Zotac AMP.

But probably still better than an RX580

[latent mural]

zotac AMPs are good

the RX 580 starts to perform better and better though

that's the cheapest 1060 for germany

wouldn't want that tbh

[spare wave]

https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/zotac+geforce+gtx+1060+amp+3gb+gddr5+grafikkarte/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAjszhBRDgARIsAH8KgvcykBZkfBPLahkP3RDaGvKYj22l8EzP5-RPIMzMCtgIjNc59XIab-oaAo-fEALw_wcB&nbb=pla.google_&wt_cc2=912-0001_Hardware_305093&ef_id=Cj0KCQiAjszhBRDgARIsAH8KgvcykBZkfBPLahkP3RDaGvKYj22l8EzP5-RPIMzMCtgIjNc59XIab-oaAo-fEALw_wcB:G:s

Beg to differ.

Sorry for long link.

[latent mural]

that's a 3gb model though

[misty saffron]

a 6gb for 215eur?

the fuck

[latent mural]

it's the cheapest here

[misty saffron]

yeah and that's very cheap

[latent mural]

well

it's inno3D

and you can get a 580 for 25€ less

[misty saffron]

https://i.holl0w.me/P2oQGiOvIa.png

cheapest 6gb 1060

https://i.holl0w.me/FOSwqkt1Du.png

[latent mural]

oof

former eastern block hardware prices are always weird to me

and availability in the balkan

[misty saffron]

i'm russian

[latent mural]

ye

russia is part of the former eastern block

[misty saffron]

russia is not a balkan country though

[latent mural]

ik

[misty saffron]

ah misread

[pale sigil]

I love Russia

[misty saffron]

ignore

[pale sigil]

their shit currency gets me cheap games

[latent mural]

had a friend in croatia

[misty saffron]

our shit currency makes me want to cry

[latent mural]

he wanted to buy a pc fan and there were like 4 brands he could buy

[misty saffron]

at least we don't get tax when ordering from eu

[latent mural]

how is it from china btw

it's extremely expensive here

[misty saffron]

no idea

https://i.holl0w.me/BuQ2QTfPyG.png

and i wouldn't need to pay that

nice perk if i could call it that

[latent mural]

what even is that?

[misty saffron]

i know wooting store handles that so i added a wooting one to my cart

[latent mural]

ah

[misty saffron]

when i bought mine, the tax was as much as shipping costs

[latent mural]

uhh

my wooting two included both in the price so idk

[misty saffron]

well, you're in the eu

you need to pay them tax

i don't

[latent mural]

ye

ordering stuff from china is expensive though

[misty saffron]

aliexpress is super popular here

so i guess it's not

[pale sigil]

its popular here too

[latent mural]

well it's popular

[misty saffron]

you could come up to any person and they'll know what aliexpress is

[latent mural]

but if the stuff you order is over 20€ it is expensive

[latent mural]

ye

they also did that with their new motherboards

"old"

ye

what if they call it RX Navi 1 and RX Navi 2

[sick creek]

Ya but if you think about it

It’s easier to compre to nvidia’s offerings

For lay people

[latent mural]

it's not easier to compare if they don't match the performance

and even then

[sick creek]

[latent mural]

it's just making it harder to name new harder

[sick creek]

If you want to be pedantic fine

But if the intent is to say

3070 is our offering in the performance range of the 2070

Then it makes sense

[latent mural]

wait until something official is said abut the cards

the 64 doesn't have anything to do with bits though

ye

problem with unique naming is that it gets confusing really fast

that was the problem with the titans

[sick creek]

Just saying, without a chart its impossible to compare amd and nvidia cards

[latent mural]

evne RX fury would be better

[sick creek]

If the number schemes were similar

It wouldnt be

So if you are a grandma in a best buy

Which is who this is for

[latent mural]

number schemes don't say anything about their performance in relation to cards with a different naming scheme

[sick creek]

You at least know you arent buying the most shit card

[latent mural]

and taking the naming scheme of their competitor and adding one to the first number is bad

[sick creek]

You arent understanding

This change isnt for you

[latent mural]

ik why they would do it

[sick creek]

So then whats the problem alol

[latent mural]

it's stupid

[sick creek]

Omg haha

[latent mural]

next year when nvidia launches ampere

[sick creek]

Ok god forbid they use a less tryhard naming scheme

[latent mural]

do they call it RTX 3160 and so on or what?

[sick creek]

40xx? Who cares

[latent mural]

btw the RTX number schemes are stupid too

[sick creek]

As long as the end numbers match up

[latent mural]

if they call it 40xx i'm mad

[sick creek]

Btw nvidia has recycled numbers multiple times by now

[latent mural]

at that point they can name it how they want

ik

amd has too

only worse thing would be if they adopt intel server naming schemes

[sick creek]

I mean tino... you’re biased

You only have like 8 skus

[latent mural]

lol

they should only have 5 at max though

3 "normal" ones

the better third one

[sick creek]

What about laptop and ultra budget cards

[latent mural]

and the enthusiast one

[sick creek]

1050, 1050ti, 1060, etc

Isnt there even a 1040

[latent mural]

if they start making 4 different variations of polaris 10

and one of them isn't even polaris 10

nah

no 1040

there only is the 1030

[sick creek]

There was a 740 so i wasnt sure

[latent mural]

that name makes a little sense though

[sick creek]

Oh ok

[latent mural]

the x10 was always a display adapter

the x20 was reserved for a better display adapter

and the x30 was reserved for anything that you can actually call a graphics card

[sick creek]

Still, i cannot fault amd for wanting to be decipherable in a retail setting

[latent mural]

yes

but 1.1 is so much less than 2060

must be worse then

what if they didn't increase the first number

but instead multiplied it by 10

so they'd have the navi 20600

and so on

[sick creek]

Maybe they should just start using the tdp wattage or the number of cores in tge model name

[latent mural]

well

[sick creek]

Way easier to understand

[latent mural]

thats what they did with vega

and did with the rx 580 2048

that was the vega naming scheme until now

don't think they will keep it for navi though since they'd have multiple "* 64"

better idea

they call it the navi <; navi = and navi >

if they make a better version they can call it navi >>

or take roman numerals

could look cool

[sick creek]

They cant call it navi

Or they are implying sponsorship of natus vincere

[spare wave]

Maybe we could start using a logarithmic number scale? Or better yet, since it is a GPU, therefore display, colour coding.

[latent mural]

color coding would end up horrible

I can already see some SJW call out racism for putting one color above another one

[sick creek]

I want an nvidia ycbcr444 ti

[spare wave]

Was a bit of a joke.

[latent mural]

some 2060 benchmarks are out

[reef patrol]

And it was exactly as expected 😄

[latent mural]

i expected worse

not by a lot though

i expected 1070

[reef patrol]

Slightly cheaper 1070, with RTX features.

[latent mural]

it looks closer to like 1070ti

[pale sigil]

Damn

thats a punch ngl

tho tbf probably more expensive

[reef patrol]

It's slightly faster than a 1070. Not by much honestly

[latent mural]

BUT BUT BUT

waiting for more benchmarks

[reef patrol]

Look at LTTs video. They had more benchmarks for comparison. That's the numbers I'm going by ATM

[latent mural]

i dont like ltt

can't trust anything they say

[reef patrol]

GN are great but very dry. I just skimmed Linus video to confirm my assumptions while at work earlier.

And as always. Scores always differ from game to game and so many other variables. If it is indeed closer to a 1070TI in some scenarios, cool

[latent mural]

not a fan of gn either, if they'll do something wrong they'll do it on purpose, not because they don't know/care about something
but benchmarks are limited

[haughty condor]

it trades blows with the v64 and 1080 too

which is higher than I'd expected, and I wasn't expecting ray tracing

still, even if only 1070ti, the cheapest of those is ~420 right now

[timid chasm]

Don't like ltt or gn... Who do you like/trust?

[latent mural]

passmark

/jk

[chrome estuary]

muh .1 fps high

[ashen spindle]

well it's good to always look at more than one source, one person/team can always make mistakes or have hardware differences to others, if you want precise data. For launch day review it really is just personal preference imo, since there isn't much variance between any users usually

[neat oriole]

NVIDIA says to expect a 20-30 percent performance drop between desktop and mobile RTX chips

The return of the “M” chips bois

[toxic jolt]

😢

[chrome estuary]

sweats profusely

[sick creek]

What are you putting into it? And powering it?

About 3 years ago i did skar audio 1200.1 and a 12” sundown audio D2 i think

Cant remember the exact model number

[ashen spindle]

given that it's a speaker enclosure, my money is on some sort of speaker

[sick creek]

Its a subwoofer

I was asking what sub hes putting in and what amp hes gonna power it with

[ashen spindle]

I know, t' was a joke

[chrome estuary]

12" Infinity 1400w.
Sadly it's just a boss amp that in reality does about 700w so it's way underpowered but I'll do proper stuff later on. It's what I've got now and I know the amp I've got does a decent enough job for what I want.

[sick creek]

As long as it doesnt have a constant hum or line noise, any amp is fine if you wire it up so it cant be blown by the sub

Is it single or dual voice coil?

[crude cipher]

Is it just me or is 1400w a lot for a 12" woofer?

[sick creek]

Its the wattage it can handle

The higher the wattage, generally the louder/harder you can push it

I mean in reality, if you are after sound quality and not spl ratings.. 600w is plenty

But if you are trying to annoy your neighbors or get pulled over... go to infinity... and beyond!

[chrome estuary]

okay i'm not gonna lie I've got no fucking clue

[sick creek]

My sub and amp are way overpowered for what i have them set at, but if i crank it up i cant hear the music

[chrome estuary]

it's fucking gigantic, heavy, and even with it being underpowered makes the car shake like it's trying to rattle it apart.

[sick creek]

Just make sure you run 0 or 00 gauge to the battery with a 100amp inline fuse

4ga is good for internal wiring

[chrome estuary]

hell i had it running on 8ga originally for like a year and never had an issue.

[sick creek]

Oof that is a fire waiting to happen lol

[chrome estuary]

80A Inline

[sick creek]

80a prob fine

But not 8ga lmao

That would scare me

[chrome estuary]

honestly 0 or 00 is fucking overkill my dude.

You're looking into doing 3-5k+ with that shit

[sick creek]

It helps with headlight dimming

My setup was like $800 in total?

At most

I think around $600 for the amp&sub, $100-200 for all the wiring

Of which i have extra

[chrome estuary]

The Sub was like $750 but I got it for free from a friend. My original box was same price as the new one coming, the Amp was a $55 thing with some badass protection in it but it wasn't doing the power rating that it claimed, wiring originally was $20 and once again it's $20

[fair gull]

i heard 30AWG kynar

[sick creek]

30awg alol you mean dental floss?

[chrome estuary]

I was going to say a single hair

[fair gull]

i mean i usually mod my consoles with 40AWG magnet wire

[sick creek]

Console... xbox?

[fair gull]

how did i think of 80

[sick creek]

Like that kind

[fair gull]

xbox, switch, 3ds

yes

[chrome estuary]

yeah but we're talking about shit that's putting a fuck load of power over like 20ft

[fair gull]

so?

[sick creek]

Yea

[fair gull]

small warm fire isnt bad

[chrome estuary]

haha

[sick creek]

Lmao

[fair gull]

like

imagine this

you live in a house

and u think like "i need a new heater in this area where imma put out a cable"

better use like 40AWG the to replace the heater for pmuch free

[sick creek]

I mean if magnet wire burns up it doesnt start a fire so i guess you would be good

It just disintegrates

Its barely like steel wool

[fair gull]

the max i have put through those 40AWG wires is 5v, 2amps

[sick creek]

One strand wont do anything lmao

[fair gull]

for like 10seconds

after that i couldnt find the wire

[sick creek]

Ya hahaha

It evaporated

[fair gull]

i was like "surprising that it didnt blow up yet"

and then it was gone

[chrome estuary]

yeah now that I think of it. 40AWG wouldn't be friendly to 5v2a

[sick creek]

40awg is barely good enough to use as a jumper

[fair gull]

depends on what u jump really

[chrome estuary]

The only wire I have is 16AWG

[fair gull]

like its nice for bios jumpers on most consoles

[chrome estuary]

I've got a big ass 100 ft thing of it

[sick creek]

Stranded or solid tho

[fair gull]

i usually either use 30AWG or 40AWG

[chrome estuary]

Stranded.

[sick creek]

Yea

Thats like home theater speaker wire

[chrome estuary]

so Brain. We gonna take over the world today?

[fair gull]

sure why not

[chrome estuary]

okay but to my real question. you mentioned modding the switch... Did you add the auto injector?

[fair gull]

i mean i just finished modding my original xbox with rev 1.0 board

i added the rebug yes

altho i modded the joycon R beforehand

[sick creek]

What does that get you

[fair gull]

to jump pin 7 and 10 with a 10k 0805 resistor

basically just the ability to inject pmuch any software

so free games

[chrome estuary]

Currently for modding switch consoles... You can only do it with early release models as well as there's no cold boot.

[fair gull]

or in my case homebrew

[sick creek]

Homebrew games? Or apps

[chrome estuary]

So you have to reinject the CFW every time.

[fair gull]

the rebug chip basically just provides a "cold boot" method

[chrome estuary]

I've got RetroArch on my switch.

[fair gull]

it automatically triggers RCM and injects the cfw payload

[chrome estuary]

I've been debating whether to do the auto injector or get an external.

[fair gull]

theres other ways to trigger RCM by intentionally corrupting the FIRM1

[sick creek]

Lol all this work to get free games when you could just get a job

[chrome estuary]

Mine's set up that way.

my dude

[fair gull]

im not in for the games

[chrome estuary]

PS1 games but on the switch

[fair gull]

more the homebrew

like VBA Next, ps1

n64

snes

all the shit

[sick creek]

Haha i’m kidding but it does seem like a lot ofnwork

[chrome estuary]

How else am I gonna play Legend of Dragoon

[sick creek]

Hmm, good game

I had that on ps1

[fair gull]

it currently is a lot of work but it was the same for 3ds till we got b9s

[chrome estuary]

hella yeah it is.

[fair gull]

now the 3ds is like hacked in 1 step, insert flashcard with b9s installer done

u now have a hacked 3ds

[chrome estuary]

I've got my N3DSXL dealt with through that.

[fair gull]

i modded like 20 or 30 3ds systems so far

[sick creek]

Well, the switch has an sd card slot so im sure someone will figure out a way to do it eventually

[fair gull]

altho i started back in a9lh days

well flashcard is for the 3ds game slot

so unless we figure out a way to put a custom switch flashcard in there and find a keycombo in the bootrom of the switch that installs the first thing from said card

no

[sick creek]

I understand, but there isnt really much of an OS on the 3ds tho right?

Some basic drm

[fair gull]

there is an entire os on it

with services and all

[sick creek]

I never owned one

[fair gull]

it has proper ring0 - ring3

and all that shizzle

[sick creek]

Only portable consoles i have owned were a sega game gear and the switch

[fair gull]

thing is that the bootrom which is on every 3ds in the past, present and future comes with the factory way of putting the firmware onto it which is a keycombo, inserted card and closed lid

so as long as u got a magnet and the flashcard u can trick it into thinking u wanna install the firmware in a factory environment

[sick creek]

Neat

[fair gull]

but ya long story short nintendo fucked themselves

[sick creek]

Or they just dont care

[fair gull]

with the switch nvidia fucked them

na they thought no one would ever be able to dump the rom

but they glitched the 3ds into dumping it itself

like the bootrom is locked except on boot

just like how they now relied on the tegra being secure

which it technically is

[sick creek]

I mean legitimately, they might not really care. Ofc they have to say they care

[fair gull]

im psure they do actually care

[sick creek]

But at the end of the day, these mods sell consoles

[chrome estuary]

i mean I did go out and spend $300 on a damn switch.

[sick creek]

My point exactly

[fair gull]

i still speculate that nintendo also had a big say in the whole "no modding of consoles or game saves" in japan

[chrome estuary]

oh really you think?

[sick creek]

They care but they arent complaining that people are buying their shot

[fair gull]

that i also dont really deny

[sick creek]

They cant officially support any of those features because of licensing obviously

Or they would just let you do it

[fair gull]

i dont think they would

[chrome estuary]

oh and don't forget that thing is a fine of up to 5mil Yen and up to 5 years jail time.

[sick creek]

Point is, if they really wanted to stop you they would just release a new firmware and make it harder

[chrome estuary]

they tried

[fair gull]

except the firmware doesnt matter at all

[chrome estuary]

a week later it was cracked

[sick creek]

I didnt say impossible

[fair gull]

usually its just add a service or 2 and the cfw runs

[chrome estuary]

they changed encryption keys.

[fair gull]

or that

[sick creek]

Cat and mouse game

As always

Ms did the same with the 360

[fair gull]

the current new switch consoles since middle last year or so arent even hackable and no one is really sure if they will be

cause the only exploit on any newer FW is the tegra one

which doesnt exist on the new tegra chips

and they actually outdid themselves with the switch os

[sick creek]

Nothing is unhackable

[fair gull]

lets say

[chrome estuary]

yeah i got lucky with my switch. I came into the game super late and just bought it from gamestop. Ended up with one that was moddable.

[fair gull]

i somehow doubt we will get full ring0 on the new switches for like 3 or 4 years

[sick creek]

I am kinda surprised the xbox one still hasnt been hacked/modded

[crude cipher]

I'm so unimpressed by these RTX 1060 benches

Weak product

[fair gull]

im impressed

the ltt skid captures my emotions perfectly

@sick creek whats an xbox one?

[crude cipher]

ROFL

"I can barely even make out the individual pixels"

[fair gull]

its literally genius skid

[reef patrol]

Skit*

[pale sigil]

What time is the amd event

On about EU time

I'd imagine really late

Because its the 9th there already

5pm UTC

[misty saffron]

https://www.ces.tech/conference/Keynotes/AMD-Keynote.aspx

Wednesday, January 9
9:00 – 10:00 AM

[pale sigil]

Yes it's 3am there alrssdy

[misty saffron]

it is 8th

[pale sigil]

Wait we're is CES hosted

[misty saffron]

nevada

[pale sigil]

Fuckkkkk

[pale sigil]

I thought it was in China for some reason haha

[misty saffron]

smh tino.....

[latent mural]

ASUS ProArt PQ22UC Professional OLED Monitor (Soon will be released)
ASUS professional 4K monitor using JOLED display panel will be demonstrated. (Kindly contact ASUS Japan for official release information)
anyone here speaks Japanese?

[haughty condor]

not really but I do have joled's pr details

[latent mural]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1180-spotted-on-gfxbench LOOK LOOK
and you guyz din't believ me

[pale sigil]

its not april yet

[ashen spindle]

I mean I never heard of that before, and that looks like a really bad buisness decision by nvidia imo

[latent mural]

or maybe they want to have 100% market dominance at all costs 🤔

[toxic jolt]

specialized hardware is the futuuuuure

I'm just surprised they marketed raytracing to gamers

I totally would've guessed that'd be the quadro stuff only

[ashen spindle]

nah based on what an nvidia engineer said in 2010(?), they even planned to launch it 2-3 years earlier. I read that a week after rtx launch but cant find the article anymore

[zenith sonnet]

Every single mouse i owned in the last 17 years eventually died by starting to register LMB clicks as double clicks
Is that because the springs wear out the debounce time becomes so long it eventually registers the same press of the button twice?

[chrome estuary]

@pale sigil So you have an Oculus correct? I'm thinking of buying a VR Headset since I have a much better computer now and can actually do VR reliably

[pale sigil]

i do

[chrome estuary]

aight so shill this to me over anything else.

[pale sigil]

shoot

[chrome estuary]

aight good talk

[pale sigil]

fixed xD

[chrome estuary]

Alright so I'm getting some bonuses at work soon and I want to get a VR Headset. Obviously I'm looking at Oculus because of price for one but I remember some tracking issues with Oculus. IE: It losing tracking here and there which sucks y'know.

[pale sigil]

launch there was issues

now its fine

hell i even did room scale on boxing day at my cousins

[chrome estuary]

I can do room scale as long as I move my desk into a different area of my room which I can do.

[pale sigil]

you will have to buy a third sesnor in the future tho buit they are cheap, i have only been using 2 for like over a year

if you want 360 room scale then 3rd sensor but it will work with 2

[chrome estuary]

I watched a video of some dude talking about that. He said buy a 3rd sensor.

kinda sucks you gotta plug sensors up to the computer so you gotta string that shit across the room.

[pale sigil]

https://streamable.com/ijgle

this is a test i did in my room

[chrome estuary]

Because a base vive is like $499 so $100 after buying a 3rd sensor for the thing.

[pale sigil]

with 360

there is one dead zone back left of me

when reaching out

but my room is alliteral box

[chrome estuary]

See my room is sorta a box with shit in the way

[pale sigil]

Ugh oculus sensors aren't much

[chrome estuary]

$60

[pale sigil]

exactly

buy an oculus when on sale

[chrome estuary]

so $90 difference between roomscale oculus vs vive.

[pale sigil]

it was recently 300 quid

weit

wut

oculus is usually $350

[chrome estuary]

Yeah but with a $60 sensor added to that

$410 USD

[pale sigil]

Still $80 difference

also the vives lenses suck

same with controllers

touch alone will win your heart

[chrome estuary]

I wish I could use them side by side to buy what I like better because I fear my room will be terrible for Oculus since I've got this big ass full sized bed in one corner of the room so over half my room is already out of use for me.

and I'd have to move my desk around quite a bit to get it all to work in the first place.

[pale sigil]

Oculus will be fine

[chrome estuary]

I think i'll wait still but i'll consider the Oculus

[pale sigil]

if you can wait

then wait for revised rift

[chrome estuary]

i'll probably do that.

[toxic jolt]

How much room are you supposed to have?

[pale sigil]

more than my room

xD

[latent mural]

i just want a high res dual screen hmd for 3d
where are you, hmd? :C

none of this vr business

[toxic jolt]

"life for gaming"

[chrome estuary]

i want it

[limber gale]

same

wooting giant confirmed

[ornate forge]

imagine the sound. CLICK CLACK

I would love to type with my fists

[fast crown]

chyrosran22 has a vid on such switches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvLN9fHCgV4&index=11&list=PL285ATFsHGY8kPPWWqasQInV_eqhqRRge

[fair gull]

found this in a box from our old store

[latent mural]

ewww

[fair gull]

some genius forgot to put the cap on

[latent mural]

no gore pls

[fair gull]

more gore?

[latent mural]

how?

prolly someone got their sleeves caught on the pins panicked and knocked the capacitor off too

[main trellis]

This sounds worryingly accurate

[fickle ore]

When's that CES?

[latent mural]

what

broken motherboards?

[main trellis]

A friend gave me his motherboard and i7 7700k

And I can't test if it's still working

Because I don't have a fitting PSU left

[ashen spindle]

ces started 2 days ago

[latent mural]

a skylake pentium is like 30€

and you can return it afterwards

[misty saffron]

http://live.ces.tech/

[latent mural]

works in edge though

on youtube the stream crashes every 10 seconds

and the one on the official ces site it doesn't even start

started for me but i cant adjust the quality and im on expensive internet :c

[ashen spindle]

works with no issues for me on chrome

[latent mural]

qualit auto adjusts to 360p for me

I've got over 50MB/s down

I'll just look at the stock price and extrapolate \o/

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13828/the-amd-keynote-at-ces-2019-live-blog-looking-ahead-starts-9am-pt-5pm-utc if you want to follow via notes

[latent mural]

oh good, was just looking for that, thanks

https://www.twitch.tv/officialayymd

I try twitch

looks fine so far

although quality sucks, it did on the official amd youtube stream too

crashes for the restreamer too, but I don't have to refresh

[zenith mirage]

YouTube stream seems to work now

Well, at least when casting it from mobile. Gave up on desktop

[random oasis]

Hey this might be a FAQ but can we hook into the lighting with Lua like with corsairs?

[latent mural]

i don't think anyone made a wrapper for lua

[random oasis]

Dang it as that's a major selling point with rgb for me. That and with any keyboard finding a left handed one seems to be impossible

[latent mural]

also, you need to ask in #🤖│community_dev

[random oasis]

Thank you sorry too many channels reading the list slowly

[ashen spindle]

but it is implemented in project aurora or what its called, might be what you want

[misty saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bibZyMjY2K4

fyi

[latent mural]

and the world's driest ces keynote award goes to...

[zenith mirage]

Just talk about Zen and Navi pls

That'd be nice

[ashen spindle]

that's why I never watch them and always only have show notes from someone on my second monitor lul

[reef patrol]

You consider this talk dry? Hahaha...oh you've seen nothing.

[latent mural]

the award goes to these guys : https://www.cnet.com/news/the-smart-diaper-has-entered-the-building-at-ces-2019/
no, actually it's amd

[reef patrol]

Lisa's positively a fountain of energy compared to a lot I've seen from old blood companies 😄

[latent mural]

well it's the only i care for

thanks for the market report, amd, get to the fun parts

aand the stock is dipping

[random oasis]

Buy buy buy then

Nah who am I kidding I'm locked in riding it out for giggles

[latent mural]

no, short short short

[random oasis]

Have 2k shares ATM so it sorta matters but meh

Stock market is stock market

[latent mural]

i dumped it all \o/

[random oasis]

It's all funny money in the end that I can't hold onto when I die lol

[latent mural]

oof

it dropped even more

after a time you can predict video card company stock movement quite well

oof

navi

navi is announced

aaand

stream died again

wait that's vega muysic

it'S the vii

yup

never mind it's vega

but 2

and the stock goes down

only 25%+

16gb of hbm2..

it needs to be cheap

[ashen spindle]

not hbm again

[latent mural]

yay, much price

at 25%+ it need t be under 500 at launch

basically

basically... no

[pale sigil]

So same as usual xD

people were way to overhyped

[ashen spindle]

wait people were hyped for this?

[latent mural]

they expected navi

but it was quite obvious, these days we'd have pictures of everything if it would come anywhere under 6 months from now

[random oasis]

I'm still hyped for it

[latent mural]

well

we didn't see that cooler previously

[random oasis]

Seems pretty solid for me

[pale sigil]

4k

[ashen spindle]

I thought it would be quite obvious that navi would not be ready for consumers here

[pale sigil]

100 fps

wut

[ashen spindle]

that says nothing

[latent mural]

and it IS a new manufacturing process

wait a sec, where's the 16 core consumer cpu

if it is 25% better thatn before they either increased die size a LOT or it perofrms jsut over the 2070

[ashen spindle]

notice how it was a really small area they showed? with every path blocked off? yeah 4k 100fps is not too hard there

[latent mural]

and it barely perofromed over the 2080 in titles that heavily favor AMD cards

[ashen spindle]

still nice to see, before I get misinterpreted

[latent mural]

notice how im already crying, stop kicking me

[ashen spindle]

sorry

[latent mural]

/jk

[ashen spindle]

not sorry then

[pale sigil]

no surprise
amd gpus are shit still
xD

[latent mural]

where is that 16 core....

[zenith mirage]

Soon™️

[reef patrol]

Vega 2080

[ashen spindle]

I mean that's kind of a statement you can only say if you compare raw performance of amd gpus vs 1080ti/2080ti with not further details

60fps 1080p? amd are a really good option, especially price wise

[latent mural]

the new card has 2 8 pin headers

it will likely use over 400 watts

that's no mid tier

[pale sigil]

the cringe

[ashen spindle]

now the liveticker is not loading and I need to watch it

[zenith mirage]

Really cool shots™️

[latent mural]

@ashen spindle you aren't missing much

they talked about division 2

[reef patrol]

I mean... my 2080 uses 8,6pin, so it ain't a small boi either .P

[latent mural]

yes

but it'll perform better in 90% of titles

[pale sigil]

xD

[latent mural]

radeon 7 is on the show floor, so we'll get some estimatemarks

[pale sigil]

ryzen 2 on the screen

[random oasis]

400watts from 2 8 pin..... You're pulling more than rated then
You realise that?

[latent mural]

you can pull 75 watts from the pcie header

at least in spec

[random oasis]

75watt slot + 2x 150 watt for the 8pin

375w

[latent mural]

wait

i'm retarded

[random oasis]

But yeah you probably could do that and be fine

The safety factor is on your side

[latent mural]

ik that you can do that

but they wouldn't do it that hard on a stock card

[random oasis]

Turbo might

[latent mural]

although the 480 at launch pulled around 100W from the pcie connector

[random oasis]

Yeah due to turboing up basically

And taking it out of spec

[latent mural]

nah

bios didn't do power distribution correctly

they fixed it later

[random oasis]

Ah. I didn't get a stock card

[latent mural]

all cards with one 8 pin did that

wasn't a problem though

for nobody

[random oasis]

Don't you mean 1 6pin?

[ashen spindle]

well no problem that we know of, might've reduced lifespan of the slot or so without anyone ever noticing

[random oasis]

As it was a 150watt card basically

[latent mural]

might've been 1 6 pin

was too long ago

[random oasis]

Stock was a single 6 pin

[latent mural]

right

[random oasis]

I got a saphire oc plus

[latent mural]

I remember being confused about my sapphire 580 having 2 6 pins

I ad the limited edition nitro

[random oasis]

What's the pricing on the new card?

At work listen to y'all's highlights

[latent mural]

wasn't announced

[ashen spindle]

and we dont know yet if it will be announced here today

[latent mural]

but it will be expensive, it has 16GB of HBM2

Rhere wasn't even a release window mentioned yet

[random oasis]

Yeah that's what has me going gimme gimme lol

[latent mural]

feb 7

699

699$

rip amd

will be 2080 pricing in europe

[random oasis]

Ooh nevermind I'll wait for a benchmark

[latent mural]

get a 2080 lol

[random oasis]

600 I'd have bit either way to be honest

[latent mural]

yay, stock 1080ti performance for 699 and 2 8pins

[pale sigil]

resident evil 2 coming to pc?

[latent mural]

you likely can get it cheaper

yes

you can get resident evil 2 bundled with a 570

and another of the other 2 bundled titles

for 150€

[ashen spindle]

the one thing I hope for, that it will have OC abilities as Vega so you can get more from that, maybe the 56 equivalent of the Vega 7 cards will be a sleeper GPU

[latent mural]

the radeon VII is a cut down vega 64 btw

[random oasis]

The better thing there though is undervolting

[latent mural]

it has 60 vega unts

[zenith mirage]

1080tis are not actually that cheap at retail these days, so Vega 7 might be a good choice

At least here in the UK

[latent mural]

the 2080 is likely cheaper

[zenith mirage]

If they sell at RRP

£650-£800 for a 2080

[latent mural]

since hardware msrps can basically be converted 1:1 from usd to euro

[chrome estuary]

I paid like $400 something for my 1080 FTW used. I thought that was a bit much

[latent mural]

I paid 500 for a 1080 amp extreme

right when the mining hype started here

[random oasis]

I got a 1080 evga basic crap for $300 used

That was a decent deal

I don't buy new Nvidia though I hate supporting them to be honest

[ashen spindle]

Used prices hugely vary from location to location though

[zenith mirage]

I was looking for a 1080ti at rock bottom price a while back, cheapest I could find was one listing for £500 on ebay

[latent mural]

pascal is overpriced now

[random oasis]

That's pretty good

As tax is baked in that cost too don't forget that

[zenith mirage]

But the guy was not ready to post so it was a bit useless

[latent mural]

if you buy new a 2080 will be cheaper

[chrome estuary]

Eh

1080ti is $500-600 used

[latent mural]

anandtech apparently has an article on zen 2

but anandtech is down

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13829/amd-ryzen-3rd-generation-zen-2-pcie-4-eight-core

[zenith mirage]

[ashen spindle]

yeah their ticker keeps dying on me aswell lul

[latent mural]

I swear

if lisa is like oh ye btw zen 2 q2 at last minute

mid 2019 :c

[chrome estuary]

Dude that's only like 5 months at best

[latent mural]

i need my two 8 cores glued together already

[random oasis]

You mean 4 4 cores

[latent mural]

no

2 8 cores

pretty sure i mean zen2 with 2 8 cores

[random oasis]

Nah 4 4 cores

[latent mural]

but with ht

[ashen spindle]

Need my ryzen glued to TR cpus plz

or maybe I just want some glue

[random oasis]

TR already has a 16 core part right?

So yea

[latent mural]

no

[ashen spindle]

damn, direct comparison and they even name the intel cpu, that's rare

[latent mural]

tr 2xxx uses 4 dies

[random oasis]

Yes 4 dies that are 4 cores a pop

[latent mural]

no

[random oasis]

With cores symmetrically disabled to get to lower skus

[latent mural]

4 at up to 8

[ashen spindle]

dual socket epyc

[latent mural]

the 2880WX is 32 cores 64 threads

[misty saffron]

[random oasis]

Am I tripping balls?

[latent mural]

there was dual socket epyc already

SHE DID IT

[pale sigil]

mid 2019

[ashen spindle]

idk, dont really follow server cpus

[random oasis]

Could've sworn TR already doubled main set. And then epyc doubled that

[reef patrol]

BOIZ

[random oasis]

TR isn't server cous

It's hedt

[ashen spindle]

I know, but we were talking about dual socket epyc

[latent mural]

tr is basically epyc though

jsut like intel HEDT is basically xeons

[random oasis]

Yeah and I was saying TR already has 16 core

That's all

[latent mural]

they have a 32 core though

oh god no

1080p 100+fps r7

[chrome estuary]

I have two servers freaking out over this shit

I need a tldr

[ashen spindle]

I just dont get why they show random gameplay to demo CPU

[latent mural]

that's actually hard in forza horizon 4

[pale sigil]

no its not

lol

[random oasis]

Yeah why not run something

[latent mural]

forza horizon uses a lot of cpu power

[random oasis]

Do some blender Kappa

[latent mural]

seems like they'll do

cinebench

8c 16t

wait wut^

[random oasis]

Thatll look cool for sure

[ashen spindle]

this is nice to see

[random oasis]

12 core 24 thread looks cool in cinebench

[latent mural]

so it actually should beat a 9900k in per core perofrmance

[ashen spindle]

well we dont know if stock Freq on intel means with or without any turbo boost etc.

[latent mural]

true

[ashen spindle]

but I'm liking what I see

[latent mural]

media will cover if the performance will watch up

[random oasis]

Well can't ya just see what the score is and extrapolate?

As Intel cinebench scores are wellknown

So if ya see a score just grab it lol

[ashen spindle]

maybe, yea

idk how much custom settings you can do to cinebench

[latent mural]

nothing

[random oasis]

Cinebench is cinebench

[latent mural]

cinebench r15 is always the same

[ashen spindle]

then we'll probably know something more about it soon

[latent mural]

that's the reason of a benchmark

[crude cipher]

On January 15th, NVIDIA will be releasing a new driver that enables VESA Adaptive Sync support on GeForce GTX 10 and GeForce RTX 20 series (i.e. Pascal and newer) cards.

[random oasis]

Yeah finally

[ashen spindle]

get out here with your old news

[random oasis]

They quit that super hard anti consumer crap for a minute

[latent mural]

no

[crude cipher]

[latent mural]

they are taking every little bit amd could hold on to

not really

[zenith mirage]

Gsync was anti-consumer, this is good for everyone

[latent mural]

nvidia gysnc is horrible with the non certified monitors

[ashen spindle]

not good for amd

[latent mural]

doesn't really matter to them tbh

if you look at the bigger picture of 1160; 2060 being just 20% slower than 2070 at much less, now freesync

it all points to nvidia just gobbling up all of the market

[random oasis]

And was never holding onto free sync tho

[latent mural]

if you realyl want gysnc yo ucan get a certified gsync monitor cheaper than the officially supported freesync monitors

[random oasis]

It's a free open standard

[ashen spindle]

yes but it was a reason to go with amd and save money by not buying the same monitor with gsynch fee

[latent mural]

not that holding on

slaps gravatos with a large trout

well

amd stock is crashing down

that went well

[random oasis]

It's fine they'll be fine

[zenith mirage]

AMD stock is all over the place anyway

[latent mural]

just saying people didnt like the keynote

[zenith mirage]

I don't think this is really an indication of anything

[random oasis]

Exactly

Yeah and why would they?

[ashen spindle]

stock people also aren't usually the best tech-related experts

[random oasis]

💯 that man

They're a box of rocks

[latent mural]

but it's true

most of the trading is done by computers

you have to be one to understand

surely this all means that those 8 cores are a single ccx, r-right?

[random oasis]

I would hope so

[ashen spindle]

yea

[random oasis]

Otherwise that's a weird design

[latent mural]

the bigger is an io chip

all zen 2 cpus will look like this

th io chip is in 14nm that's why it's bigger

2060/1160 here i come :C

curse you hbm

[random oasis]

Nah join the amd side

We don't tell you to f off if you don't side with us

But rather say hey we are trying here man we are doing our darn diddliest

[latent mural]

I am the amd side

[ashen spindle]

imo you should just buy whatever is better at your needed price or performance target. for me that just usually was intel+NVIDIA,

[latent mural]

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/49f25c69-d974-443e-999f-0a097d5f3817

[random oasis]

I feel ya I'm just teasing a bit

[latent mural]

i remembered that movie wrong...

do i really need a new gpu?....

this 2013 still works with youtube

what is it?

and do you want to play any rather current or upcoming titles

just joshing around

[ashen spindle]

Wait another year and Support the small indie company called intel with their new gpu

[latent mural]

i really cant imagine their video cards beating anything but amd

[ashen spindle]

yeah but if they can stay competetive in performance/$ it's a good start

[random oasis]

I doubt they'll even do that

[ashen spindle]

even if just in low/mid areas

[random oasis]

With how amd apus creamed intels

Although really unfair comparison

[latent mural]

hek

a friend of mine got some kind of razer keyboard now

so noisy I am barely able to stay in the voice call with him

[random oasis]

Push to talk?

Easy fix

[latent mural]

not an option for most people

I'd need a "push to receive"

[random oasis]

You mean a keyboard button?

Not sure how that's unreasonable

[latent mural]

it's unreasonable to buy a razer keyboard

[random oasis]

Oh well yea

Kailh switches on such an expensive board is funny to me

But force him to enable push to talk

[latent mural]

pretty much the first thign Imentioend when I heard those stinging clicks

[random oasis]

Or have a deafen key

[latent mural]

don't think discord allow for hotkeys to mute just a single person

since there are multiple people in a voicecall

[random oasis]

Ehhhh you can do it

Breaks tos in the process tho

[latent mural]

ye

no, thanks

[random oasis]

If multiple people wth have they not slapped him yet?

[latent mural]

well

the other one is a rather nice person

we are currently only 3

usually goes up to 5

[random oasis]

Enable push to talk solved isn't hard

[pale sigil]

wdyupo

[toxic jolt]

did any of you guys see the eye tracking vive?

[ashen spindle]

I saw the new vive but I think its basically just the vive version of the Oculus Quest?

[toxic jolt]

nah the really cool one

the one with the headset built in

just imagine all the stuff that could be done with eye tracking

[ashen spindle]

yes tahts the Oculus Quest

except they dont have eye tracking I think

and eye tracking is not new to vr, rift and vive are late to pick it up

[toxic jolt]

thats probably the one I'm talking about then lol

I haven't looked at the oculus one yet

sure eye tracking has been a thing, but imagine what you could do in mainstream games

[ashen spindle]

oh I know, happy they finally add it

[toxic jolt]

what if you could do rendering based off of what the person was looking at, and render everything else in low res

if it was responsive enough, it could make VR runnable on lower end devices

[ashen spindle]

yes thats what it is used for in other headsets

[toxic jolt]

fr?

[ashen spindle]

Pimax 8k

[toxic jolt]

ah

that makes a lot of sense

8k

what if you did like vrchat where you could actually see where a person is looking

or realistic DOF in fps games

[ashen spindle]

yeah it's a big part to make VR bigger, lower prices and AAA titles and we are there IMO

[toxic jolt]

I kinda want to get a headset this summer but all this stuff has put me in a weird spot

obv all the new stuff is gonna be expensive, but will it even be out by the time summer hits?

if I got an older model, would I regret it later because of the new stuff?

[ashen spindle]

see if they are availible in a store near you and try them out. As of now, I expect to enjoy my Rift for at least 2 more years before I think of getting a newer model

[toxic jolt]

I'm not worried about being disappointed with what I get as much as being sad about not having the new stuff because it was either too expensive or not out yet

the other thing is I have no space for it

do you have those motion controller things or do you jsut go kb and mouse

?

[ashen spindle]

if you go for a rift/vive you'll want the bundles with motion controller

if you aren't sure, here is a selling point that works 100% of the time: Beat Saber

best game

[toxic jolt]

would you consider 1mx2m to be enough space?

[ashen spindle]

probably not, but from what I read the Quest(and prob the new vive) work with less space because of the built in tracking so I'd recommend you to look at that

[toxic jolt]

did they say anything about in-headset tracking instead of huge lighthouses, anywhere/

[ashen spindle]

idk, havent seen anything about the new vive besides the look of it

that's why I said "probably" the new vive

[toxic jolt]

I'll take a look

[pale sigil]

pointless tech released to early

should refine it before releasing it

[toxic jolt]

pointless tech is my middle name

[ashen spindle]

what tech is released to early?

[toxic jolt]

hm it says it's not coming out until the second half of 2019

but it does have the tracking stuff

[pale sigil]

might get a 2060

[toxic jolt]

what you have rn?

[pale sigil]

1070ti

xD

[latent mural]

if you oc you may actually almost match performance

[ashen spindle]

understandable, can't go without that raytracing in your life

[pale sigil]

cba with ocing anymore tbh

[latent mural]

cba?

[pale sigil]

fuck gaytracing

[ashen spindle]

[latent mural]

rays are basically rods

and rods are almost like dicks

[ashen spindle]

dont blame the aweseome tech for nvidias terrible marketing

[latent mural]

and liking dicks is gay

you should just agree that real time raytracing just isn't ready for the market

[pale sigil]

ye ofc

[ashen spindle]

but it also wont be if there is no hardware for it, no dev is developing something if nobody, not even .1% can use it, one side needs to do the first step into the mud

[latent mural]

well

they did for battlefield V

and some other games

nvidia should've jsut waited

[ashen spindle]

no? they did not make it before hardware for it was around

[latent mural]

raytracing itself isn't that new or unused

jsut not in real time at high quality

sure

making games is a long process

sure they jsut started it after they were told that the rtx cards would exist

but they would've done the same when better real time raytracing cards were in the making

[ashen spindle]

they literally said they started on it 2 or 3 weeks before the RTX launch event

[latent mural]

yes

the launch was rushed

should be known now

th eboard partners had like one month before launch

[ashen spindle]

so no, they would not have touched it if rtx would launch just now

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that'S why all launch card share their pcb

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no reason to

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... then you just ended up agreeing to my earlier point

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basically yes