Speccy just goes full tilt retard all the time I'll send HWInfo tonight
#๐โtech
chrome estuary
pale sigil
It always goes full retard with new hardware
reef patrol
Ryzen isn't exactly new hardware anymore though ๐
solar hinge
i think speccy is working now with 1st gen Ryzen, i'll check after work ๐
chrome estuary
Nope. Sensor is fine.
Literally anything else that measures temp, measure an accurate
reef patrol
Never liked Ryzen Master. It has a lot of odd quirks
chrome estuary
Never used it. Just got my Ryzen yesterday. I didn't even get to play any games. I will tonight though
chrome estuary
SSDs will be here Friday
solar hinge
@pale sigil @zenith mirage @misty saffron
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/4909798
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/4909745
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/16912632
misty saffron
wish i had the money for a better gpu
timid cedar
already showing off with their 2x1080ti
zenith mirage
:(
chrome estuary
solar hinge
yeah my cpu is not gaming optimised
solar hinge
well, if you have 60fps and you lose 20
reef patrol
More 140fps compared to 120 realistically.
limber gale
I didn't get overhyped for this, so I enjoyed it since the first time I tested the refresh rate on a game. Might not be a must have for everyone, but decent enough to try at least once
limber gale
lol
chrome estuary
I've tried 60, 75, 100, 144
and yes, all next to each other in different configurations.
didn't see the point.
didn't feel any better at all so... meh
tall finch
getting a 144hz monitor was the best PC purchase I ever made tbh
chrome estuary
the best pc purchase i've ever made was my 1080.
zenith mirage
I have a 144Hz monitor, but I don't mind playing 60
Like for games that I care more for looks in, I'll crank them up at the cost of frames
limber gale
same
toxic jolt
it's so much more fluid
easier on the eyes
visually appealing
legit, playing 60 now is a slideshow for me
pale sigil
Think I'm gonna try and refund my oculus instead of trading it for a new one, the speaker on the right was broken on arrival the one time I used it and I never got around to rma, I'm just going to try and get a refund as it's still under warrenty at Argos.
toxic jolt
144 is only playable
You're not a reallll hardcore gamer if you don't play 144
Am I right, gamers? ๐
misty saffron
i've "overclocked" my monitor from 60 to 78 and i really can't stand 60 anymore
it's such a difference
timid cedar
how does one overlock their monitor?
solar hinge
With fear and contempt of the unknown
neat oriole
If you have an NVIDIA gpu it would be in your NVIDIA control panel
Iโve only gotten my 60 hz to 67hz
But my main monitor is 120 hz so w/e
timid chasm
just use the CRU with AMD can't you? Can do it with NVIDIA too
or is that the outdated method
zenith mirage
Yeah I've used CRU on my 60Hz monitors to make them 75Hz
misty saffron
by easy way i mean something you can easily use without installing third party software
plush summit
timid cedar
nah
hard thicket
noo, cant be
timid cedar
releasing a GPU with the technology that will barely be supported OMEGALUL
hard thicket
beside that fact
still the price is in my view the most critical point
that's literally the same dick move what apple does
im pretty sure people would've gone for the 2080ti if it would be within the 800+/- range
reef patrol
Gotta release new hardware to push new game engine tech sometimes.
Not exactly a new thing 
hard thicket
of course it's not a new thing, the way they did the approach is the thing
spiral pier
I would've easily bought a 2080 if it was closer to the 1080's original pricing
I just opted for a regular 1080 now
spiral pier
I didn't necessarily need the TI's power
hard thicket
yeah for the most people that enjoy 1080p / 1440p gaming the 1080 will be more than enough
spiral pier
I have a 1080p display. And all I play on it right now is Warframe ๐คท
spiral pier
There's dozens of us
hard thicket
unfourtunately i can't find any EVE players around here
spiral pier
Anyway. I barely play anything really needing the power. Just figured I might as well get the 2080 if the pricing matched the 1080
Because they're buried in their spreadsheets
EVE's concept is really intriguing to me. But I just wouldn't have the patience for it
I do enjoy hearing the summaries of the wars and stuff
hard thicket
nor the time i guess
spiral pier
That too. I usually hop from game to game quite often
hard thicket
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
spiral pier
Warframe is the only current game that keeps me invested for longer than a few weeks
spiral pier
You can imagine why I hate the current trend of open worlds
I want a nice 20 hour storyline and move on.
spiral pier
Yeah, and I tend to be a powerleveler. So I get sidetracked by side quests to improve my gear. Then get burned out on the repetitiveness
And end up never finishing the game at all
hard thicket
i have that issue in warframe after unlocking and discovering almost everything
spiral pier
I imagine I'll get that when I reach the endgame
hard thicket
i give my self a 2ish week break and visit the game
hard thicket
yeah make sure to enjoy the game dont rush it badly like me ๐ฆ
spiral pier
I liked getting the Affinity boosters
But that actually just rushes things for me
Pretty stoked for Fortuna though
hard thicket
yeah it literally doubles everything
you lvl up a single frame within 20waves in a high tier defence mission
spiral pier
Lol yeah. I could solo Seimini with a unranked frame and lvl it to 20
Then take it to a higher defence to max it
hard thicket
im also still playing because of one single thing
which are rivens
it makes fun farming those and finding one for my main weapons
spiral pier
Rivens are fun
Got one for the cassowar
Need to reroll it a few more time, though
That Kuva sink though
hard thicket
yeah, if you want we can play some time "Noisi-EGT-" is my IGN
spiral pier
Ah cool. Will add you
timid cedar
Uhhh more warframe grinders
plush summit
lol
timid cedar
chrome estuary
ssd is in.
timid chasm
Ohhh, GN did a video on power supply cables. That's some handy info
pale sigil
Ugh I hate iCloud
pale sigil
btw my replacement oculus is faulty ๐
fair gull
faulty as in
pale sigil
Headphones don't work
ye its not huge deal
but for the price and considering it was new i may as well rma or refund it
fair gull
wait they come with integrated headphones?
pale sigil
Yes
fair gull
idk i cant imagine playing without my usual headphones
pale sigil
they are pretty good
fair gull
i thought about getting an htc vive pro
pale sigil
vive pro is a meme
normal vive is also a meme
Oculus has been outselling it and more users for a reason boi
fair gull
ya the rift had those weird controllers
fair gull
idk the controllers id actually want are the steam knuckles
and with weird i mean the weird ring at the front thingy
of the oculus controllers
pale sigil
ugh, i think you're judging based off pics lol
pale sigil
moving topic a little, is there any EU law that states they have to refund me if they are unable to replace it till a later date?
their stance is i have to go to oculus and get a manu report ont he issue for a refund
however when i asked for a replacement which they offered they said they had no stock
maybe @reef patrol can answer this
pale sigil
it was an open question ๐
country laws mean nothing
one good thing about EU
is every country in it has to obey said laws
and cannot overlap
reef patrol
Yeah EU law is pretty firm on this. If they can't offer a replacement, or you can agree on another product (with possible added payment to cover difference in price), they have to refund you.
fair gull
good to know
reef patrol
You have to accept it sadly.
reef patrol
Basically, yes. They have the right to replace it... twice? I think before you can demand a refund.
pale sigil
They are the worst place in the UK that happened to have 1 item for sale for once.
reef patrol
Under the trader guarantee, can I demand a refund if the product I bought is defective?
Not right away. The trader must give you a choice between having the product repaired or having it replaced - unless either solution is disproportionate. Only if neither solution is practicable (e.g. if it would take too much time or be too costly to repair, or if the same product is not available within a reasonable time) can you demand a refund under EU law. However, in some countries you may have the right to request a refund directly.
pale sigil
Yes but they cant replace it
reef patrol
If they can't replace, you can demand a proper refund.
reef patrol
Under the trader guarantee, can I demand a refund if the product I bought is defective?
Not right away. The trader must give you a choice between having the product repaired or having it replaced - unless either solution is disproportionate. Only if neither solution is practicable (e.g. if it would take too much time or be too costly to repair, or if the same product is not available within a reasonable time) can you demand a refund under EU law. However, in some countries you may have the right to request a refund directly.
The issue here is "reasonable time", which I think is generally considered a month or so.
But you may need to threaten them a bit to push your claim, if they aren't willing to accept the refund.
These are all from the EU site on warranty. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/faq/index_en.htm
pale sigil
Either way i have contacted Oculus.
If they can give me a manufactorer report which Argos wante
they can refund me that way
if Oculus are like ugh wut, then ill push it.
reef patrol
pale sigil
id rather get a refund ngl, put it aside till i want to play vr again
and tbh i was considering a WMR due to my room being so shite and how i rarely play vre
fair gull
TIL
reef patrol
EU is pretty pro-consumer overall. Which sucks for the sellers ๐
edgy grove
those vr controllers are ugly as sin, and probably the worst way to handle VR
why they didnt wait until working gloves is beyond me
especially ones with haptic feedback, like we have coming
ashen spindle
I mean... you dont see them while in VR so why value looks over function there?
edgy grove
what do you mean?
gloves would be superior to controllers in every way
you wouldnt need buttons
ashen spindle
well you complained about the looks of them, and why wait for gloves when you can do a lot in VR without needed perfect sensors, since most of it is focused on the view?
and having buttons is really nice for menus, interactions, development and such, instead of relying on movement
edgy grove
just tap the menu with your finger
its like using a mouse
buttons arent really useful with VR
sans games built around the fact current VR controllers have buttons
and i said they were ugly
not that it was the main reason
I was responding to someone well up the thread chain talking about how ugly the controllers were aswell
ashen spindle
you need fewer sensors with buttons, no potential issues with the tap not being recognized correctly sometimes, less resources needed if you have a button input instead of doing it all via motion control, average consumer PC's don't really have extreme cpu's that you'd need for that to not affect fps at all. And do you really don't get why VR systems are out before working sensor gloves are completely included?
edgy grove
average consumer PCS are not made for VR
Actual good VR is not consumer grade
hell, BAD vr is not consumer grade
VR is enthusiast grade
ashen spindle
requirements for VR are often lower than a lot of people think
nvidia just wants to sell more high end gpus and use "VRReady" and other stupid labels to make it look like you need 1080+ for it
edgy grove
you need 120 fps @4k to actually experience good vr
ashen spindle
?? what
edgy grove
otherwise text will be blurry
Actually, everything will be
but thats besides the point
and framerates lower than 120 will make you sick
ashen spindle
you know 90fps is what vive and oculus use?
edgy grove
and how many people cant play VR for too long or they get motion sickness?
Vive pro is currently the closest to good VR
ashen spindle
idk, I dont ahve an issue with my oculus when using it for hour+
and I know the guy who made the world record for playing VR with not breaks, he did like 48 hours of VR games non stop
not saying there are no issues, but it apparently is good enough for a lot of people
edgy grove
anecdotal evidence is not evidence
ashen spindle
do you have anything to base your statements on then?
ashen spindle
and where does it mention the 120Hz? cant find that
ashen spindle
yeah not implying you do, just like reading about the stuff
edgy grove
Not saying youre accusing me
im just saying in general
VR immerses you in its world... the issue being that if its under a quite high refresh rate, it can seem like the world is choppy, creating false motion
(usually thanks to motion blur covering it up)
this can make you quite sick
ashen spindle
but that article is just saying they will have 120hz, not that you need it or anything like that?
edgy grove
not to mention without 4k, 1080p seems very blurry
120hz should ease motion sickness
the article is about ending motion sickness
ashen spindle
well the main point seems to be that it can be much closer to the eye, not that above 90Hz or anything is needed in addition?
edgy grove
\90Hz is considered to be the minimum refresh rate required in VR headsets to avoid any sort of motion sickness, so 120Hz will be ultra-smooth and ideal for gaming.
and yet people still get very motion sick with 90fps
ashen spindle
it's not going to make it worse, but will it help?
edgy grove
yes 120 will help
90fps combined with blurry textures is likely the issue
but blurry textures comes with a 1080p screen next to your eyes
ashen spindle
I mean I still dont see any tests or anything about that, besides the articles that claim it will help?
edgy grove
Yes they say it will help
because people are still getting motion sick
soooooo it can only be one of three things
the way you move in said game
the resolution of the screen
or your framerate
ashen spindle
nah there is more, something that is much more important
your eye movement is not changing your vision
that makes it hard especially when you are not used to it
edgy grove
why wouldnt your eye movement not change your vision?
the screen isnt just enough to cover your eyes facing forward, is it?
ashen spindle
if you tell someone to look at the ceiling, they usually would turn their head a bit and look with their eyes up
to see the same in vr you need to look straight at the ceiling with your head
edgy grove
so this can be fixed with a curved screen
ashen spindle
eyetracking, to see where you are looking at
that's why that is a feature in coming headsets
and to help with bringing needed hardware down but making resolution adapt to where you are looking at
edgy grove
Seems like a bit of a waste
to even get a bit of 4k youre going to need a 1080ti atleast
ashen spindle
waste? it'll be and extreme boost to performance
where your eye is looking at, you show 100% resolution, farther away 75%, 50% at the edge etc.
that reduces the actual pixel count per frame by a lot
edgy grove
At this point we are about to hit 4K at 144hz easily
we are starting on it with the 1080ti, and moving much further forward with the 2080ti
ashen spindle
"much further" LOOOOL good one
but yeah, take a look at the Piemax 8K for example, they have eye tracker and high resolution
if they ever actually end up producing it lmao
edgy grove
8k lol
8k will be enthusiast grade in 10 years maybe
we are barely getting into consumer grade 4k
ashen spindle
nope, take into account what I said about eyetracking and the actual picture you need to render won't be near 8k
edgy grove
well it damn sure wont go under 4ik regardless
so needed to render 4k around you and 8k infront of you is still going to take 2-3 gpu generations
ashen spindle
idk, you can already get almost playable fps on them with a single 1080ti
edgy grove
I highly doubt that
considering 1080tis barely run 1440p at high framerates
let alone 4k
chrome estuary
what
edgy grove
and consider every ti variation only comes with a 30% upgrade at most
edgy grove
there is no way it runs games on ultra at 4k60fps
chrome estuary
it can run a shit load of games ultra 4k60
chrome estuary
some minor drips to 55-50 here and there on heavier games.
Dude just go look at it in play. I was seeing a difference of 1080ti vs 1080, 2080, and 2080ti
edgy grove
no, you dont tell someone to go look when presenting evidence
you link them the evidence'
thats how making claims works
chrome estuary
You're the one claiming the 1080ti can't do 4k60
you are required to give burden of proof
edgy grove
Making a counteragrument still means you have to provide proof
chrome estuary
So we're both at fault here, good talk.
edgy grove
Except earlier on in this conversation @ashen spindle requested sources and I gave them to him
so by all means, you should provide sources when someone asks you for them
you can use this to see 4k performance of the 1080ti on i believe six different games
on 3 it comes close to 60, but doesnt quite reach it
chrome estuary
ashen spindle
you need to keep in mind most games are also not optimized for that resolution, VR games will be optimized for the resolution and Hz of the displays
chrome estuary
PUBG, an extremely unoptimized game. 4k 45-55fps Ultra.
edgy grove
thats shitty
only the racing game on there got 60fps solid
fucking mafia 3 didnt get 60 fps solid
ashen spindle
also FPS benchmarks are useless here
edgy grove
thats like 4 years old
ashen spindle
frametime consistency is important
chrome estuary
Witcher 3, 4k Ultra. 60fps with the occasional drop to 50. Witcher is an extremely demanding game as is.
chrome estuary
Hitman, a less so demanding game. 70fps 4k ultra but that's no surprise.
chrome estuary
GTA 5, 4k ultra. 55-60fps. while weaving in and out of traffic. The same game that claimed it needed two titan xp to run that.
edgy grove
those kinda frame discrepancies do not lend well to a 60fps debate
chrome estuary
In Marrakesh... In the most populated area. 70fps
chrome estuary
fallout 4. 4k Ultra. No mods but in downtown boston... 50-80. Held above 60 for the most part.
ashen spindle
I'll repeat myself, you can ignore anything only showing FPS counters, Frametime measuring is what you want to check for VR
edgy grove
god the discrepancies is the worst part
the frame drops make it not viable
I can get 60fps1440p on my 1070ti but id suffer massive frame drops
wouldnt be worth it
chrome estuary
Anyways most people aren't looking for 4k Ultra unless they're willing to go for a titan card.
edgy grove
remember when all they did was give the o.g titan like 5gb less vram, and call it the 780ti
lmao
chrome estuary
anyways. I wouldn't do 4k gaming for quite a while. I play 1080p60 with my 1080.
edgy grove
yeah
chrome estuary
i haven't bench marked it with this pc
edgy grove
a lot more lol
chrome estuary
i benchmarked it on an x4 slot with an i7-3770 and 20gb ddr3-1600
edgy grove
im getting 1080p144 if not more frames on ultra with a 1070ti
yeah your issue is probably that you have a 3770 and ddr3 ram
chrome estuary
i've now got it on an x16 slot with a Ryzen 7 2700x and 32gb ddr4-3000
ashen spindle
20gb ram? what the fuck
edgy grove
ok, thats better
ashen spindle
how do you get to that number
chrome estuary
8GB stick and 3 4gb
edgy grove
20gb of ddr3 is the real what the fuck
ashen spindle
a
edgy grove
... you.. mixed ram?
chrome estuary
I only had the 8gb because it was $2.14
It worked without issue
so uh
i don't see the problem.
I don't now of course.
ashen spindle
mixing ram is no issue, my old pc also had mixed ram
edgy grove
its an issue
chrome estuary
it only becomes an issue when you mix speeds.
edgy grove
otherwise a staple wouldnt be to not mix ram
chrome estuary
Most people mix ram when it's like... 48GB (32 in one set and 16 in another)
but it didn't hurt the PC at all to do it.
ashen spindle
if you have same speeds, look at compability etc it wont change any performance for games
edgy grove
because youre supposed to skip a slot if youre doing it like that, or only have two
so like 16 - 8 - 16 -8
chrome estuary
I've got 2 of my 4 dimms filled on this PC now. I might fill the other two dimms with a 16gb kit later on.
and yeah i know that
but it worked fine and i had no performance issues
so idk
edgy grove
I should get 16gb more of corsair ram
but i mean
what am i gonna use 32g of ram for
maybe like 3 chrome tabs?
chrome estuary
Right now. I haven't really been using my 32gb for much
but when I get more into shit that requires it, i'll be glad i had it.
this isn't meant to be a purely gaming machine.
edgy grove
i once kept opening chrome tabs to see how long it took to lag my pc
i got to like 60 or something
chrome estuary
hince the 2700x over an i7-8700k
edgy grove
ryzen is better anyways
chrome estuary
and i'll probs sell my 2700x to a friend and get the 3700x when it comes out.
she's rocking a 2400g and i'll sell her the 2700x for rather cheap (like 150-200)
I'll also probably buy myself a better cooler for this thing come christmas or if there's one on sale black friday.
While the wraith is nice and keeps it about 35-40 idle and 53-60 under load (I think. i'll really need to do true checks on that.) it's fairly good but i'd like something that doesn't spin up as much.
edgy grove
only reason I can see to get something other than the cooler master is for looks tbh
unless youre doing a full custom loop
chrome estuary
well there's the bequiet coolers that i've heard are pretty bomb
chrome estuary
Thermaltake Core x9
ashen spindle
or just go with noctua if you aren't someone who hates the colors
chrome estuary
I can hear the CPU Fan specifically
and I don't see the inside of my case so i really don't care.
chrome estuary
honestly i need to get around to disabling all the RGB in this. (GPU, CPU, Etc.)
I've got an acryllic panel and i've got it facing the wall
edgy grove
id love an RGB strip or RGB fan
ashen spindle
I have a s340 elite and have my case on the ground, glass panel next to the wall lmao
edgy grove
my pc is on my desk, right next to me
chrome estuary
tbh. This Core x9 is fucking massive. It's supposed to be a floor case i think
on the floor, it comes up to my knees
and weighs 47lbs without the PC
edgy grove
sounds about accurate to the nzxt h440
i call it the mini fridge
i could fit my old case inside this one
chrome estuary
this thing is bigger than a minifridge. or deeper at least
It's a cube case... or rectangle at least...
I've been thinking of buying myself an h110i
Anyone know the reason behind not having a 2800x. I mean sure having 4 different processors + non-X models was pretty excessive... but it just looks kinda weird if you look at a Ryzen lineup
chrome estuary
yeah fair enough i guess.
edgy grove
lets abandon our naming convention for (since the time we started making cards)
and skip 1180 and go to the 2080
chrome estuary
let's skip the 2800x and just have a 2700x
edgy grove
for the longest time the 1070 didnt have a ti version
the fucking 1050 had a ti version
chrome estuary
haha
I was thinking of getting a 1070ti but found a good condition (near mint) 1080 for the same price
soooo
chrome estuary
yeah totally. I paid like... $380?
chrome estuary
I had a 1080ti for 550
edgy grove
i was thinking of getting a newer mined 1080ti for 500$
and then rmaing it
but i decided to spend the money on a wooting
chrome estuary
I also bought a wooting with my desktop. I would've had it done like a week earlier but decided to get a wooting two instead.
edgy grove
i struggled with the decision between a wooting juan, and a twooting
but I need a new keyboard yesterday, so
not to mention minus a mic stand, its all I need to complete my battlestation
chrome estuary
I use my laptop for a mic. thinkpad so stereo mic array.
Plus i can deal with this cheapy dell OEM for a while longer but I NEED a numpad. I hate ten-keyless keyboards
anything other than a full keyboard makes me sick
edgy grove
yeah, i wanted a numpad too
but id rather have a wooting over a dell keyboard that was cracked
and i found ready to be thrown out
I use a NT1-A microphone
chrome estuary
Nice.
I want like... an AT2020 or something.
not too over the top since it'd just be minor voice stuff (buddy of mine is planning to do a spaceship podcast. I'm the weapons specialist) and like... discord.
or gun librarian
edgy grove
At2020 is solid
likely the best USB mic atleast
as long as you dont get a blue mic
we have a big in-joke about blue products in the voice actor discord
chrome estuary
I had a blue yeti at one point, given to me by a friend to use but she took it back.
edgy grove
she did you a favor
chrome estuary
it wasn't bad but i wouldn't buy one myself.
chrome estuary
I've got my old 760 4G SC
My dad wants my old machine... or as I should repeat his exact words. "You know your old machine is mine now, right?"
like idk why. but a buddy was gonna get it from me but fuck him i guess
Dad doesn't even do anything on his PC in reality.
god damn it if I get an AT2020, i'll further my collection of Audio Technica audio gear.
m30x, m50x, and probably an at2020
fair gull
reads AT2020
thinks of ATAT
steady basalt
I got a Blue Yeti for 65 bucks on clearance, once
pale sigil
Noice
steady basalt
Actually twice, for some reason Canadian Tire (?!?) was stocking them
The second one I gave to my little sis since she uses recordings for her acting portfolio
toxic jolt
why would Canadian Tire stock a microphone lol
also
I think my RTX card fried itself ๐ข
occasional crashes turned into I can't even run games anymore
buggy af
lets see how far she goes
pale sigil
ye i use mine
chrome estuary
$50 for a snowball
pale sigil
and its fine
chrome estuary
$120 for yeti?
toxic jolt
so now I get to go a month without a GPU]
sad part is I literally sold my old one last night, right before I came home and discovered my new card was broken ๐ข
reef patrol
Been there, done that. Sold my 1080 just before Turing released (to get the best possible price due to hype and price expectations), and had to use onboard for a month.
toxic jolt
that's about to be me rn RIP
I've owned 4 GPUs, and out of those 4, only 1 of them worked
talk about bad luck
spare wave
Was it RTX2080 or TI?
spare wave
I only heard about 2080TI's dying.
toxic jolt
^^
the failure rate of the 2070 actually seems quite low compared to other cards
the universe just hates me
spare wave
And I planned on buying a 2080 instead of a 1080TI because of future proofing and possible RTX features. .-.
toxic jolt
it's not just RTX for me lo
any GPU I touch breaks instantly
it's so good
I wouldn't be surprised if I get the new one back from NVIDIA and it's broken too
spare wave
How is their customer support?
toxic jolt
I spent 3-4 hours with their customer support who were helpful, but took 10 mins to respond
spare wave
Because, I am slightly afraid of a possible death of my planned 2080.
toxic jolt
its only like a 5% defect rate on the 2080s
nothing to be scared of really
2080 ti? now then you've got a little bit to worry about
spare wave
TI is slightly overpriced
I originally planned to take a 1080TI, but then I saw that the price of the 2080 is not really higher, and now I plan to get that one.
fair gull
i mean most of the reports i read where from 2080TI FE cards
source: various hardware forums
reef patrol
Yeah it seems to be mostly 2080TI FE cards. Something about really hot VRMs.
My 2080 from Zotac (Also FE but custom cooler) has been fine so far. ๐
fair gull
ya i went with a zotac 2080ti amp but mainly due to having had goodf experience with them previously
spare wave
Whats the pros on a FE anyway?
reef patrol
A lot easier to find a water cooling block for basically.
And for the 2000 series, they have slightly better factory clocks. Your card overclocks itself based on heat though anyhow, so a third party card is just as fine.
spare wave
I planned getting the EVGA ACX 3.0 or FTW
I thought FE was only available for a short time from NVIDIA directly?
reef patrol
FE refers to two things.
- nVidias own cards.
- Any card (including third party like ASUS) that use the nVidia PCB layout and design. As opposed to ones where the manufacturer has used just the GPU chip and their own PCB design (which means you'd need a different water block, since it won't fit)
haughty condor
number 2 is reference, not FE
spare wave
huh
toxic jolt
so I ended up buying a 1050 ti
spare wave
Thats my current card.
But my CPU is a 4590k, and my system is in general very old, so I plan to, as a bit of a reward for myself, to get myself a new build once I am done with the Abitur.
reef patrol
The terms have become interchangeable these days, @haughty condor
But you're correct.
plush summit
openGL, D3D, or vulkan which backend should i use for emulation
toxic jolt
I thought vulkan was opengl
it was like opengl 3 or something
nvm I'm wrong
do vulkan probably
D3D depends on what version
if it's 12, then it's pretty much a tie
up 2 u
plush summit
i thought there was an actual difference
harsh terrace
Anyone got some experience with Cablemod vertical GPU bracket? Thinking whether it would be a good addition to my build or not
toxic jolt
Vertical GPU mounting isn't all the good tbh
You think "yea it'll look cool" and sure it does at first
But if you're not rocking the card right up against your side panel and restricting airflow, you're cutting off access to other PCI lanes
And most of the time, it looks better mounted regularly
JayzTwoCents did a video on some sort of vertical GPU mounting bracket, and it looks kinda cool
chrome estuary
The only time vertical GPU mounting should really be done is when you have a work bench styled case that has the mobo laying down and not mounted on its side.
reef patrol
Or water cooling.
spare wave
Why not just do the entire build in a thermal glass case lying on a side?
fickle ore
what is a "thermal" glass case?
plush summit
because who would do that
i mean sure, if i had room on my desk then sure
but if its gona be on the ground then i thing the normal tower orientation is a better call
and from what ive seen, there arent allot of those types of cases
fickle ore
whats good about tempered glass?
plush summit
you can see your parts
thats it
i dont care....i just want something with features that doesnt break the bank
tempered grass is not a feature
fickle ore
lol that's a negative ๐
plush summit
some people want that RGB
tempered grass lets you see that porn
me.....i just want dram prices to go down
fickle ore
what prices?
plush summit
Dram
fickle ore
highend?
hype
I wish zen 2 IMC will be a lot better than before so we can use higher freq like on intel's.. And really interested to see if there's a linear increase on fps/bench or does it softcap or hardcap at some point
crude cipher
I don't really want to upgrade my CPU a year and a half after initial build but man the Ryzen chips keep getting juicier
Just give a reasonable Radeon plz
fickle ore
what you got atm? Zen 2 seems like the best thing after Sandybridge ๐
Im still on sandy
spare wave
This is just personal preference, but I just can't live without all the NVIDIA and Intel software that they tie into their hardware. I know that AMD offers open source solutions for some of them, but they just aren't as good.
But yes, Ryzen looks better and better.
fickle ore
you'd prob miss out on performance increases on zen2 if you didn't also upgrade the motherboard, pyndragon
I mean, atleaast some of them
not the IPC ^^
fickle ore
whats wrong with it? Im on a 1060 3gb
crude cipher
I stream and play on a 3440x1440@100Hz freesync monitor
fickle ore
ahh, well, lol ๐
crude cipher
Yeah
fickle ore
but for streaming, I think CPU is more important?
crude cipher
When I got the card I was playing at 1920x1200 60Hz
My CPU is fine for streaming
I might crank the clock up a little at some point but I'm on the stock cooler
plush summit
would i be able to upgrade my mobo, cpu, ram and not have issues with my current windows installation?
reef patrol
Windows 10? Possibly.
fickle ore
I would reinstall just in case. It's so easy
reef patrol
fickle ore
if zen 2 is 8 ccx its gonna be nice for gaming
yep ๐
u getting zen2 too?
amd gpu would be nice too, but dunno if they will be available by next summer on 7nm?
same
yea man you are covered until then
heck, I'm covered with my 2600k ๐
what games are you even looking forward to? I'm drawing blank
oh yeah, Cyberpunk and Pantheon are about the only ones for me
plush summit
@digital cliff it doesnt stand up to multitasking very well though....6600k is good for gaming
but ryzen looks like a great upgrade
reef patrol
Quite happy with my 8700K for now...and my 2700 โบ๏ธ
plush summit
still cant open that picture
reef patrol
I should try opening it at some point ๐
spare wave
if zen 2 is 8 ccx its gonna be nice for gaming
Why tho? Multi-Core is not really used in PC Gaming, therefore you primarily should focus on single core performance for gaming.
fickle ore
if it's 8 core 8ccx it reduces the latency between the cores, which is one of the ryzen's downfalls for gaming
reef patrol
Yeah 4 cores is still the sweet spot.
plush summit
sure
but if you are doing other things in the background then 8gore is the way to go
spare wave
(Another reason I am not a fan of current gen CPUs, as they are having this core war, which I don't really need and Intels single core performance is still better afaik.)
fickle ore
zen 2 possibly has better single core performance than intel's current offering
spare wave
I dont run into problems with CPU, and I often have 200+ Chrome tabs, a few videos, a computing software, and 2 games running. With 4 cores, 8 threads. Hyperthreading FTW.
fickle ore
depends on how they improved the CCX latencies, and IMC and whether DRAM frequency still affects infinity fabric
amd's SMT is better than Intel's hyperthreading for multi-core tasks by 4% or so
spare wave
But saying "Next gen about which we don't know that much might be better than current gen, maybe." is not the best argument imo. But to each their own, if you like AMD more, more power to you :D
I often google something, think, maybe I'll need that later, keep it open. And that just piles up.
fickle ore
yeah 4 core is dinosaur
plush summit
i have 100 tabs open
fickle ore
nvidia is such a shit these days they went from 300 series to 400 series on drivers and 0 performance improvements, like they always done in the past
plush summit
thats not gonna heppen
fickle ore
still not on MSI mode on windows with their crappy drivers
plush summit
amd will always be that mediocre guy
fickle ore
yea they are on linux but not windows
ashen spindle
I'm hardcore fanboying of having 2+ good options everywhere so it gets cheap and pushes innovation ๐
fickle ore
apprently intel plans to be competitive on the GPU side with nvidia and amd?
saw news
ashen spindle
yeah 2020 for the first intel GPU for consumers
plush summit
dumb qyestion
ashen spindle
nah they already officially posted that on twitter (intel gpu)
plush summit
sometimes my cursor will become very slow and my pc will start beeping whenever i move it...whats happening
ashen spindle
have task manager open and see if you are at 100%cpu usage when that happens
or gpu
ashen spindle
get process explorer and use that
plush summit
i haz
fickle ore
ghost in the shell
ashen spindle
is that broken too?
ashen spindle
have it open all the time and have it be above other programs so you can look at it in the corner or so when it happens
fickle ore
my old single core pc used to do that in cs 1.6 if I put fps_max 100 and switched to 1000hz from 500hz on the mouse drivers
;p
plush summit
so too many instructions
what do you guys think about a 256 core cpu
knows about the development of such technology
just a new architecture
ashen spindle
you mean microsofts server stuff that combines the cpu cores? very nieche stuff
ashen spindle
on x64?
plush summit
not using x86
ashen spindle
... wow so basically it means nothing because its spezialized hardware
plush summit
its supposedly much faster
ashen spindle
than what? in what tasks?
plush summit
2GHZ
mutythreading is not supported
but has a different way to handle memory
able to chew through 4 tb of data per second
spare wave
Such high core count CPU is specialised for scientific, high level computing, or rendering purposes.
plush summit
the cpu has its own memory that it interacts with
but also interacts directly with the ram
is waiting for the day that this person builds the core and tests it....though money is a constraint
spare wave
You still can't use it for a few years, as pretty much everything we have rn would have to be rewritten to be used by the average consumer and not just the chess computer around the block.
ashen spindle
any link to that thing?
plush summit
no
ashen spindle
then how do you know about all that?
plush summit
because of all their stuff
ashen spindle
who?
ashen spindle
are you under some sort of NDA? or why lol
spare wave
Apparently it is, surprisingly, used for highly specialised workloads like AI simulation and other highly multi threaded things like smartphones.
plush summit
its their stuff so i shouldnt say too much about it
ashen spindle
is it public or not lmao
plush summit
atm no one knows
well....thats not true....they do talk about it
but havent published anythbing
ashen spindle
k I give up trying to make sense about it
spare wave
Your first name isnt by any chance Norman?
plush summit
?
ashen spindle
depends for what task
crude cipher
Intel has already done some of this super-multi-core CPU stuff
Xeon Phi 7290F has 72 cores/288 threads
chrome estuary
yeah but the phi is more a math co-processor isn't it?
not exactly a dedicated CPU
spare wave
Yeah there are also other Intel 64 Core CPUs. High Core Count CPus are already realised, but they are as @chrome estuary Says, extremely specialised for one task, they can be used for other purposes, but will be outperformed by nearly any consumer grade CPU in tasks it was not designed for.
crude cipher
Eh. More they have trash clock speeds. It's not ever going to make sense to have 72 or even 32 cores if you don't have specific use cases
I bet it'd be beast for compiling
spare wave
Yes, or rendering. Because those workloads are heavily multithreaded.
chrome estuary
i need to test this 2700x with some compiling and rendering.
I ran cinebench but shrug. Nothing too special.
trim flower
anything I should know when removing the top plate for a Wooting One
like am I going to brick the thing if I use a magnetic screw driver
vast helmBOT
pyndragon, it doesn't look like you can use that. 
pale sigil
Ye there are 2 different commands
One with correct spelling and one with not correct ๐
crude cipher
The one with correct spelling doesn't work though lol
pale sigil
it does just not for you
crude cipher
Wow
trim flower
alright thanks for the link
spiral pier
That's some damn nice artwork. Custom made?
reef patrol
Yep. Hired an artist to do the artwork, and had a printer do the actual case print. ๐
solar hinge
i'm more upsset that you didn't send the picture to me first ๐ฆ
toxic jolt
damn duuuuuuuude
reef patrol
I was going to tag you, but customers started flooding in, @solar hinge bae ๐ฆ
reef patrol
Naw. Got back at 6
pale sigil
Damnnnnnnn, lenovo z5 pro is like 250 quid
pale sigil
plush summit
i need to be able to flash my phone to do that
there are no root stratagies for my device
none
zero
0
s9 canadian version
fickle ore
just buy nokia 5.1 its android one
plush summit
nope
@fickle ore i thoughbnt about it and almost did
but its not compatible with my carrior
fickle ore
wot thats weird
I bought 6.1 first and returned it cause it was too bricky.. bought 5.1 instead, its nice in my hand
plush summit
i checked the specs and it doesnt have the compatability that the nwtwork needs
fickle ore
you need wifi on your phone?
plush summit
it doesnt support the bands used by my carrior
my s9 has NO ROOT
there are NO ROOT METHODS AVALIABLE AT THIS MOMENT
fickle ore
O.o
fair gull
@plush summit complain to ur carrier not samsung
well afaik s9 and s9+ have root methods even tho they prob trip knox
so the only thing that could stop you is a carrier lock on OEM bootloader unlock
which only US and Canadian carriers do for all i know
fair gull
what
plush summit
phones must be sold unlocked
fair gull
oh
misty saffron
you burn knox efuses if it detects a custom bootloader/recovery iirc
fair gull
i heard of some carrier locked phones in the past
plush summit
they did
fair gull
yes so it trips knox but not really anything else
plush summit
but a law was passed
fair gull
ik that the s9+ is rootable
plush summit
and now they cant
fair gull
i only lost samsung pay and secure folders
so
eh
have google pay anyway and never used secure folders
misty saffron
huh, isn't it also samsung health
plush summit
yeah
fair gull
dunno didnt check dont really care about 98% of their apps
misty saffron
pretty sure there are other apps you won't be able to use
their apps are actually good to me so i'm losing quite a bit
fair gull
i only noticed samsung pay crashing and secure folders not being a thing anymore
misty saffron
might get some custom rom in future
but right now i don't see the need
even though it's illegal to void warranty based on that here
plush summit
@fair gull the point being that there literally is no root strategy available for my device
fair gull
so its an s9 not a +
plush summit
yes
fair gull
this has files for s9 and s9+
literally a way to root
but as previously mentioned it trips knox
misty saffron
- Any of below said method to root will trip knox and void warranty forever.
not in russia 
fair gull
so ya wouldnt recommend it tho
welp im glad i dont have a samsung device as a daily driver
fair gull
yep
plush summit
does that method work for me?
fair gull
i mean the update says it has seperate files for s9 and s9+
the firmware shouldnt matter since it just patches the bootloader with magisk after u flashed twrp
i still suggest reading the entire guide and fly over answers to see if someone tried s9 not +
reef patrol
Hoo boy... Just bought a 8350K for my wife's new PC.
digital pewter
Hi there, GSPN engineer here, tripping knox does actually void your warranty and leagally any Samsung certed tech is not allowed to work on the device. In reality, we don't care. Also you can actually reset it but you need GSPN partner access, Galaxy MUST, and an Anyway Jig
The benefits of rooting are greater than the cons. If you really want to go ham with that kind of stuff I recommend a Pixel.
plush summit
and lose my expandable storage? i dont think so
misty saffron
well, in my country it is illegal to void warranty based on that
just like with jailbreaking
toxic jolt
That's dumb
pale sigil
Yes tripping nox does void warrently however....
They didn't bother... wiped my rom, put their os on it and fixed it >:
cant complain as they fixed it but i suffered samsung apps.
which i cant even use due to knox
pale sigil
I've been using a 60% at uni for 2 years now, I've lubed it and used o rings but browns are just to loud when presenting >;
I think I'll make my own vpn for the sake of learning.
misty saffron
it's just a bash script
spare wave
Some plastic, gold, a few rare earth metals and Ray tracing.
chrome estuary
computers are fucking magic my man. Throw some sparky shit, some metal, and some silica together and we made a machine that does shit we can't
spare wave
Well, we can, it just takes a bit (factor 10^[high number]) longer.
chrome estuary
last i checked, I can't run games off my body
spare wave
Well, it's not like you can't manipulate brains to output signals when a certain impulse is given.
fair gull
@chrome estuary https://discordjs.moe/FkNdrQ5q.png
fair gull
now i can finally train some sick ass neural networks
timid chasm
Love that dude
plush summit
@fair gull and some sick ass BSODs
chrome estuary
god damn that's a badass pc
midnight vine
I pressed the firmware update button in wootility and it seems to be stuck at like 2%.. any advice?
midnight vine
hmm, I unplugged it then restored it to the new firmware then it was all good
toxic jolt
๐
latent mural
@midnight vine i had that bug a while ago when I updated the firmware, but then clicked on update again as it hadn't updated the "firmware updates available" button
midnight vine
hmm well it seems the restore updated the firmware from 17 to 19
steady basalt
hrm. If you've got a case fan above the graphics card / CPU, should it be intake or exhaust
timid chasm
My first thought is intake to supply decent air on top of them but I imagine it depends on the case and their fans as well
I'm the kinda guy that uses intake everywhere except the rear which is my exhaust.
steady basalt
I've got 2x140s at the front for intake past the drive bays, and 1x140 at the rear for exhaust
pale sigil
top of the case
pale sigil
with 240 coolers
you have no choice
i miss my h80i for this reason
my h100i is bollocks
being used at the top
timid chasm
I tried that setup with my case and never really noticed much of a difference in temps
pale sigil
for the better temps
timid chasm
but if I were to do it I'd use it as an intake, especially if it can move decent air
steady basalt
Fair. I just wasn't sure which would be better if I'm adding the side fan into a front 2 pull / rear 1 push setup
(and I remember having a case that had a spot for a fan 'behind' the CPU (i.e. facing the bottom of the mobo)
timid chasm
I like positive pressure
I got the wife a Silverstone GD09 though and even with 4 intakes it's a pain to keep decent temps at times
to be expected I guess with that kind of case
steady basalt
I've got a Fractal Define R5; balancing between cool and quiet is tricky
and I don't want to muck with liquid cooling
pale sigil
timid chasm
we're talking case fans though
pale sigil
but 240 coolers dont usually come with 4 fans
so you only have either pull or push
oh lmao
dont have fans at the top
lmao
pale sigil
you mean from the nas?
timid chasm
yeah
pale sigil
i tried once but steam does not like networks
timid chasm
#JustCallumThings
timid chasm
I need some new glasses but I'm cheap as fuck
pale sigil
same but i had no choice
timid chasm
does Zenni operate in the UK any? They're decent over here
pale sigil
Who
timid chasm
Zenni Optical
pale sigil
never heard of them
timid chasm
They're kind of the cheap go-to for glasses here
We ship to the UK for $9.95 USD with a delivery time of 21-28 days barring any delays with customs.
pale sigil
i just use boots xD student discoount ftw
timid chasm
oh that's nice too
timid chasm
215, daaamn
pale sigil
it runs out
timid chasm
wait is it like a payback voucher or a freebie voucher
pale sigil
so when i needed some when i started uni i didnt have one
nor do i have one now
when you're older you get mostluy 39quid
the higher cost is more for kids
and special cases
timid chasm
our pairs usually run 50-70 usd from Zenni Optical
pale sigil
Anyone know of any cheap alternative to a capture card to mirror my ps4 to my pc
ashen spindle
a cheap capture card ๐