So was it a complete waste?
#🔌│tech
plush summit
ashen spindle
then it does help
hard thicket
for blender it for sure will, rendering long scenes can turn into a pain if you got very limited and slow ram
or really heavy scenes where a single frame surpasses over 20mb
i tried to render out a realistic scene once, around 550 frames, and after rendering for over 18 hours, half of the rendered files were corrupted
all the 64gb filled up
reef patrol
plush summit
Ouch
sturdy crater
I think I remember seeing a benchmark showing like 5-7% difference from using 3000 vs 2400 or something can't remember. You can look it up tho. There was actually a bit of difference in rendering and the things of the like tho
But for ddr3 there wasn't really any difference past 2400 that made sense to buy. There was an article about best speeds for ddr3 can't remember it now tho but it tested like all the cls and timings
There's really not a big difference in price between the speeds anyway tho so imo no point in getting slower unless you're super budget
tall finch
I'm a fast RAM shill but It's less important than CPU or GPU for most stuff. It's something you look into when you already have high end stuff and either cant go farther or its hundreds of dollars to go farther
like for someone buying a budget PC the $50-$100 on faster RAM(2400 vs 3200/3400/whatever) would likely provide better returns on a GPU or CPU
but if you already have an i7/R7, X80/X80Ti, etc
just drop the money on better ram tbh
obviously I'm talking about normal desktop users too, when you get into HEDT and threadripper or xeons and stuff I dont know shit about RAM speeds and the price/perf improvements
toxic jolt
Ram speed only really affects you if it's VRAM
sturdy crater
50-100 more? Um.. Its basically same price. 70-85usd for 3000mhz and 60+ for 2400 so like 10 usd @tall finch
And if you pick a good ram you can expect around a 200mhz overclock if you want to save a bit of money by getting slightly cheaper ram
ashen spindle
Where tf do you buy ram that you can say it’s basically the same price?
70usd for the cheapest 8GB 2400 and 105usd for the cheapest 8GB 3000 is what I see
toxic jolt
^^^
Don't pay attention to speed ever, it's a trap
Only overclock your VRAM
After that, only capacity matters
ashen spindle
Noo, you can’t generalize that. Ryzen gains a lot from ram speeds, and even on intel applications that are not games it can help, just depends on your hardware on what you do
sturdy crater
Gskill aegis for 70 and ripjaws v for 85 as well as corsair vengeance for 80 usd all at newegg, amazon, outletpc
You don't have to buy only rgb ram you know
ashen spindle
I am looking at the cheapest option with only filter criteria 8gb, ddr4
I dislike rgb
sturdy crater
In case you're bad at searching have a link https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232419
ashen spindle
Or I'm from europe and not the us
sturdy crater
Then that's the problem. Gotta pay that Euro tax
And the link tax ;p
Would recommend looking at 2x4 kits as well tho. I've seen some that are 20usd off normal price before
ashen spindle
filter 8gb meant 8gb in any form
latent mural
that euro tax is called vat :x
reef patrol
Well only if you call it that. It all depends on the country 😄
halcyon moss
in English its still vat right?
ashen spindle
isn't it the same thing that in america just gets added when you pay for it instead of beeing already in the price?
keep in mind they are the same pepole who use imperial system and fahrenheit and those are much weirder
pale sigil
Engineer: we can't do anything hur hur
pale sigil
he told me to stop using my switch... i tried to exploin to him all of the tests i did were directly to the router not any devices.....
they want me to monitor my connection for 3 months
tall finch
@sturdy crater guess RAM prices have come down, now it looks like the diff is more in line with the performance uplift(at least up to 3200Mhz~, past that it gets pricey)
reef patrol
VAT is basically a fancy word for "You pay the tax on this product in whatever country you buy from, unless they sell too much, in which case you pay your local tax instead"
So in Denmark the percentage is different to Germany.
We call ours Moms. 25% flat on almost everything.
tall finch
in the US it's "sales tax" and ranges from 0-12% depending on your area
also sometimes you dont have to pay it* because inter-state commerce on the internet is still new enough to find loopholes
*you're still legally supposed to pay it on your own(vs being collected by the merchant), but no one does
reef patrol
Because it's not a defined thing, Tino 😄
It's just a shorthand way of saying "You're paying sales tax - which might vary depending on country"
Sales tax
Either way all semantics - I just see people too often assume that VAT is static, which it most certainly is not, since each EU country has their own ideas 😄
ashen spindle
it's all diferent ways and values, but in general it all does the same, just more confusing in some places than in others
sturdy crater
Internet taxes in the us is basically... hey does the seller live in your state? No? Then you don't pay taxes. From my understanding anyway.
Often times online retailers just bake taxes into the price tho
tall finch
its based on "physical presence" iirc
for collection anyway
to my understanding, you "have" to pay either way(one is just the merchant taking it out and sending to the government for you and the other is you manually doing it) and its illegal to not do so. But they're not gonna bust your ass for failing to pay a few dollars per year in sales tax
timid chasm
You guys ever heard of a drop in 20+ degrees simply by rotating the cpu cooler 90 degrees? From bottom-to-top to front-to-back? 20 degrees sounds crazy to me.
tall finch
I cant imagine something like that causing a 20 degree shift
unless thermal paste application or cold plate orientation was causing bad temps b4
neat oriole
I think you can achieve a larger temperature drop by rotating the actual CPU 90 degrees
timid chasm
I think the Verge is putting that bit of info in their next video
plush summit
.......
I think they should just stick to reporting on PC Hardware instead of building computers
sturdy crater
20+ degree drop on what exactly tho? If you have a poor case and the fan is oriented in a way where it isn't really doing nothing i could see a slight drop.. Wouldn't expect 20+ tho.
timid chasm
I've tried rotating mine before to try and get lowest temp and no rotation seemed significantly better than any other. I'm half tempted to remove my fan for shits and giggles and see if that will net me 20 degrees
sturdy crater
So where did you read that rotating would net 20 degrees?
Maybe they added a 0 by accident
Basically the idea is to make sure your fan is blowing the air out of an exhaust
timid chasm
just comments of users in random forums
sturdy crater
Ya i don't see how it would do a whole 20 degrees. 2 sure. Maybe if you have shit vrms it might change the vrm temps a bit.
haughty condor
Some blocks have to be on a certain orientation to cool optimally
Depends on the CPU also, as it's the die under the ihs that's the decider
It's not many blocks that need that though, and I think they try not to design like that anymore
reef patrol
Why on earth would you do bottom to top anyhow.
There's so little airflow intake there because of your GPU 
timid chasm
maybe not much ram clearance to face it front to back
I got fair amount of room between my cpu and top pcie16 slot
reef patrol
You'd need some pretty tall RAM to obscure a 120mm fan 😄
pale sigil
I had next to no room between my gpu and h80i radiator when using it lol
ashen spindle
only a couple more hours and we finally know if we can be excited or shittalk RTX woo
pale sigil
Damn times flown
reef patrol
Don't get excited.
tall finch
rofl 2080 is shitty
pale sigil
???????
tall finch
in the 1.5 reviews i've read its basically on par with any non-reference 1080ti
idk about 2080ti yet
ashen spindle
well it's about as good as I expected it to be, sad it's so highly priced
sudden glacier
"Just release anything, we need money"
pale sigil
Guess I'm getting a 1080ti
tall finch
everyone suspected it but now we know why they released the Ti along with the normal 2080 lol
how sad of a launch would it have been if the highest-tier card was basically just a more expensive 1080ti
ashen spindle
well it makes sense since it's a new architecture + big focus on RT/Tensor corse that need some games to be ready with RTX implementation
instead of just a new gpu type that focuses on rasterization
fickle ore
is it even 7nm?
pale sigil
4k benchmarks are pretty impressive
tall finch
I didnt see much to indicate that the 2080 is reliably better than a 1080ti in an meaningful way, even at 4k
pale sigil
Ngl
tall finch
the only thing is RTX and that isnt anything yet
ashen spindle
12nm but that means nothing
fickle ore
not worth to upgrade since we're so close to 7nm ;<
pale sigil
That's so strange
ashen spindle
those Xnm numbers are just marketing
ashen spindle
makes sense since 1080p often has cpu bottlenecks
pale sigil
2080ti is good
pale sigil
Ye I agree
tall finch
also I would put money on these cards improving over the next month or two by another 5-10%
but that's still sad for the 2080
pale sigil
The 2080 is literally a 1080ti
ashen spindle
ah now I see why you mentioned that, yeah for cpu it would make sense
fickle ore
yeah they don't bench cpu's at lowest settings for some reason for 1080p, its weird
and mostly just default ram
Like, they bench games at 720p but highest settings
-.-'
tall finch
there are settings which impact the CPU tho
you cant just run on min settings if you're disabling a bunch of stuff that hits the CPU
or its irrelevant anyway
ashen spindle
well it's often a scenario what consumers would use, and if you get a high end cpu 90% of users will try the highest settings they can run and some settings do use the cpu too
fickle ore
Probably not true anymore, since progamers influence so many young gamers with their competitive settings. Perhaps in the past for Single Player games
tall finch
720p/max is done to try to reduce the GPU bottleneck while also giving the CPU the most taxing settings possible since IIRC cpu-heavy settings are usually pretty resolution agnostic
fickle ore
Don't fail Callum
pale sigil
Atm they are £600
pale sigil
I have no choice
fickle ore
U dont need eye candy
ashen spindle
there is no guarantee 7nm amd next year is better
fickle ore
There is, atleast for CPU's, I can't imagine why wouldnt it be for GPU's
pale sigil
And tbh I won't have money money like I do then
Right now I'm a student
And I can spend money without consequences
fickle ore
Just get a midrange 7nm prolly better than 2080ti ;P
fickle ore
Ahh, why is that?
pale sigil
I literally have no gpu
fickle ore
igpu?
ashen spindle
please stop talking like 7nm is some revolutionary stuff that magically makes a gpu better
please
pale sigil
And my refund for my 1070 came in
fickle ore
7nm vs 12nm is like......
pale sigil
So is just be paying a bit more
ashen spindle
pascal vs turing is 16 vs 12 and barely changed anything
intels 10nm is about the same as tsmc's 7nm on cpu side
they are not absolute values
ashen spindle
7nm doesn't mean every part of the chip is made with 7nm gaps, so if you use 12nm better than you can use 7nm you still end up with a better design with a wider process
fickle ore
meh I don't wanna argue. Sure, buy 2080 if u want I dont care lol
pale sigil
I'm still getting a 1080ti tho
ashen spindle
yeah probably cost/value wise the best option till next year for sure
ashen spindle
as in then might be better options around
tall finch
always buy for the present unless you know the future is right around the bend
ashen spindle
no as in you need to upgrade again lol
pale sigil
You're sounding like an Isheep rn
tall finch
you can wait for X new stuff forever
pale sigil
1080ti will last years
sudden glacier
asking to wait longer? just wait for the singularity then 
fickle ore
1080ti this late is imo, paying for 2 years old tech. I wouldn't personally consider that smart purchase, but if you must.. you do what you must
sudden glacier
anything competing with a 1060 is alright
pale sigil
Lol
tall finch
"its old" isnt a good criticism
tall finch
if "its old" but performs on par with the newest product replacing it why would it matter lol
tall finch
I mean I get what he's saying, you dont replace old stuff every week but you dont buy "new" old stuff
fickle ore
Because you're paying near MSRP for years old tech. Not smart. Technology advances so fast. The real value drops very sharply
tall finch
I just disagree
fickle ore
But I'm out, do as you wish
sudden glacier
it is fair to say some of the new technologies are worth it
amd vega has great value for streamers and video editors
fickle ore
before the crypto craze, fro example, for my GTX 780, dropped value on 2nd hand market, by 60-70% in 2 years
sudden glacier
but 1080 is generally better for gaming
pale sigil
But we aren't lol
The prices have dropped significantly
I wouldn't buy a 1080ti unless it was at the price it's going down atm
ashen spindle
but the reason it's near MSRP is that the memory prices just now went down again, otherwise both generations would be a bit cheaper rn
that's kind of a weird arguement
I doubt anyone meant to imply that
pale sigil
No ones implying that, but we all disagree with you on seeing tech a few years old as "old" tech
Not everyone buys a cars every gen....
Nor should they
sudden glacier
my friend bought a new gpu because his monitor cable wasn't plugged in right 
fickle ore
I just buy everything as new as possible, then I usually keep the parts as long as possible. Still on Sandy Bridge. Guess I'm just wired to be a scrooge ;p
sudden glacier
I played competitive games on a laptop comparable to macbook graphics
haughty condor
honestly callum, save a few quid and get a 1070ti
latent mural
so the 80 ti performance becomes the 80 performance
sounds reasonable
haughty condor
you'll get 1080 performance levels if you give it a slight oc
pale sigil
@haughty condor with that logic you'd get a 1080
haughty condor
nope
pale sigil
Ps I play vr
haughty condor
1070ti is a fair bit cheaper than 1080 (at least here)
I remember uk pricing is weird sometimes
pale sigil
BTW I wouldn't be saving any money
I have £420 refund
Wouldn't save or loose
With a 1070ti u men
I mean
In my eyes is it I spent £50 more I any as well just spend £100-150 more
tall finch
something interesting I noticed while still reading 2080/2080Ti reviews
non-FE card are basically the same as FE now
in terms of performance
pale sigil
Aye that is interesting
tall finch
which makes sense given that Nvidia beefed up the FE stuff, but its still weird to see every model of 2080Ti within margin of error of each other
at least that I've seen thus far
ashen spindle
you mean AIB cards with non-FE cards?
tall finch
yeah
ashen spindle
well, PCB's won't be much more than on the FE cards, but the cooler is still not great on the FE cards
and better cooling = better performance to some degree
tall finch
I assume the blower-style AIB cards will be worse, but even the basic multi-fan AIB cards seem to be fine
ashen spindle
there are blower style AIB cards?
never saw any besides from nvidia for this and last generation
ashen spindle
well idk what the point of these was then, unless they had a much better PCB and that made it better than FE cards
huh interresting
tall finch
they were the cheapest cards(at least for MSRP) usually
haughty condor
Nv decided to OC their FE cards this gen
tall finch
and I think the MSI one had a custom PCB that was pretty good for the 1080ti, you just had to max the fan to make use of it lol
haughty condor
probably to justify the $200ish pricehike over the msrp of a normal card
ashen spindle
ehhhh
haughty condor
fairly sure the only good thing about the blower ones is that they'll be reference boards so you can watercool easily
ashen spindle
the hiked msrp will be the cheapest you can get them for months lol
tall finch
I havent seen pricing but I will be shocked if every Turing card isnt within $50 of the FE MSRP at best
"real" MSRP wont happen for months if Pascal was anything to go by
ashen spindle
so far at least the 80(Ti) prices are not lower than nvidias
tall finch
haughty condor
the cheaper AIB boards haven't come out yet though, just the premium ones
turing chews up vulkan based games
ashen spindle
yeah DX12/vulkan titels gain a lot from Turing
all 4 Titles that exist that use it lol
tall finch
could be a big deal in the future tbh
not so much Vulkan giving some magical improvement for Turing
ashen spindle
yeah but not untill they make using dx12 a lot easier
tall finch
but just the general improvements in the GPUs shining in newer games
ashen spindle
or, asynchronus computing rather than the two api's
it'll still take some time before good vulkan/dx12 implementation becomes standard
fickle ore
so did NVIDIA improve the dx12 perf this time? AMD used to be better
ashen spindle
yeah asynch is wayyyy better on turing
sudden glacier
I would just say support the manufacturer you want, they're both good
ashen spindle
but that was not a surprise since the Titan V already showed that
I'd say don't give a fuck who made the card, see what is best for your usecase
fickle ore
is it hardware implementation on turing?
ashen spindle
afaik no
fickle ore
aw
ashen spindle
well kinda of as the architecture handles it better but nothing like Tensor Corse for it
well tbh maybe Tensor Cores help with it? don't know
fickle ore
No idea, all I know is AMD had hardware implementation for dx12 or something last time I checked and NVIDIA only had software and that why it was lacking in perf. Need to check this again when I'm buying a new card. Just curious is all.
ashen spindle
if you care about asynchronus computing the 20xx cards are definitely beating everything rn
tall finch
"New for the Turing architecture is a dedicated integer pipeline that can run concurrently with the floating point cores. While graphics applications predominantly use FP calculations, Nvidia has profiled a large number of games and other applications and said that typically there are 35 (or 36, depending on which Nvidia document you consult) integer instructions for every 100 FP instructions.
On previous architectures, the FP cores would have to stop their work while the GPU handled INT instructions, but now the scheduler can dispatch both to independent paths. This provides a theoretical immediate performance improvement of 35 percent per core."
I'm not an engineer but that sounds good
ashen spindle
yeah you won't ever get even close to that 35% though lmao
latent mural
can amd do int32?
tall finch
latent mural
as in , purposefully
latent mural
so that's good news then, cross compatible async compute
ashen spindle
well yeah dx12/vulkan is not an nvidia only thing, and it's nto like int32 is all that matters with that
latent mural
well if i look at that nvidia slide it's the things they can run asynchronously
pale sigil
You mean vr link
latent mural
yes i mean usb-c
pale sigil
Not even sure it's straight up usb c tho
latent mural
it should be plain old usb-c with displayport alternate mode
- 27w of power as per vr link spec
hm.. how much lighter would a gpu +cpu an all in one be compared to a midrange cpu/gpu air cooler
hm.. actually not lighter
damn, i had hopes for the smaller size
waiting for the 2060 then
tall finch
wonder if the 2060 will be its own die or cut down TU106(2070 is full die TU106)
and if its cut down, will it have RT and tensor cores
ashen spindle
my guess is it will have tensor cores but no RT cores
no raytracing but DLSS and similar doesnt need as much compute power
latent mural
2060+ with bios unlockable rt/tensor cores would be amusing
I personally think it will have both locked away
and the insufficiently binned gpus will go to something outside of rtx
ashen spindle
could also be bad versions of 2070 chips and they cut away the rt cores or so
tall finch
would not be surprised if 2060 is its own die while we get a 2060Ti or something with a very small amount of RT cores
or maybe they go full-retard and have both GTX and RTX 2060s lol
ashen spindle
true, wouldn't surprise me anymore with the stupid namings they've done recently
reef patrol
Pretty sure they made it clear that 2060 won't have RTX. It will be a GTX
timid chasm
Which I find interesting. If the 2080 performs on par with a 1080 Ti I wonder where a 2060 will fall and how they'll justify buying it if the performance isn't impressive.
latent mural
a 2060 will be a 1070
and i bet the 2060 will be released around the time when all 1060/70s get sold out (even with the overstock sent to AIBs)
if not, it will cost 100 more and when the olds ones sell out they will drop the prices of all by 100
which should be around ces next year i think
ashen spindle
cant have the chickens without putting out eggs first
latent mural
it's like that with every new feature/api/whatever
you get nothing or the next closest thing to nothing
it's just usually the latter
plush summit
Nvidea "they way its mean to to be delayed"
plush summit
Is anybody actually thinking about going to get 2080 TI?
timid chasm
for maximum fps or 4k probably
reef patrol
No way - Never getting Titan level cards. Too expensive. Sticking with the 1080ish level.
reef patrol
Expect them to 😄
plush summit
...."don't delay, buy today!"
plush summit
yup...thats Nvidea
plz dont do the same thing, wooting
ik you're never supposed to preorder stuff but it looks as if you did everything right the first time with the ONE....so im hoping that everything goes well with the TWO
latent mural
prepare for unforeseen consequences
just so you can be pleasantly surprised that everything's fine
haughty condor
Nobody but us server dwellers
zenith mirage
Fancy
I'm using my old phone while I wait for my new one - so many issues with that anyway- and somehow the battery has become terrible. I had to charge it 10 times yesterday, it dies at around 25% and somehow charging it makes the battery % go down sometimes
I don't remember it being this bad, but it's borderline useless. Can't wait to replace it again
sturdy crater
10 times? Sounds like you need a better phone
haughty condor
Wife's 5X is getting that way
zenith mirage
I had a better phone until it got stolen 
The replacement I ordered might not actually be in my hands until the end of the month thanks to some hijinks with product specs and shipping though, so I'll have to make do unfortunately
tall finch
sounds like a bad battery, idk how easy/cheap it'd be to fix probably depends on your phone
that was happening to my iphone 5S and it was like $20 and took 45 minutes
now its golden
zenith mirage
I mean the battery is easily replaced, it's just finding one that's the problem. LG sells them for like $15 but finding them in the UK is a right bother. All I can find are 3rd party batteries with less than favourable reviews
zenith mirage
Think it's 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8
pale sigil
strange
nothing works
i can still use discord for some reason 🤷
everything else wont load
times out
zenith mirage
Spooky
pale sigil
same on my phone and ipad
zenith mirage
That is odd though
pale sigil
Ping is fine to google
i thought it might be my DNS
see you in 10 years
rebooting my router
zenith mirage
Well that's not great
Currently downloading my Spotify library to this phone to listen to on the train and even that is killing the phone. Shambles
That's never good 
sturdy crater
Just use 1.1.1.1 ;p
haughty condor
9.9.9.9 is good
latent mural
@zenith mirage dying batteries can damage your phone, since they no longer have a hard metal protective casing do to ever increasing size constraints
in short your battery may/had to already pass gas
zenith mirage
Well in that case it's good I won't have to use it for much longer. Well, with any luck anyway
latent mural
toxic jolt
Yes, the 2011 ish macbooks had that issue a lot
Battery was hard on top but not bottom, so it would essentially push up against the bottom casing and push out the bottom half of the body
Signature phrase to look out for is "my trackpad is sticking" or "I can't click"
Lots of fun
timid chasm
I think we can all agree.
latent mural
I remember when phone batteries could be removed in a pinch
had one battery on a nokia phone bloat a bit, but no problems just take it out and get a new one
some family member's did heat up and bloat a lot though
not a fun thing to have in your pocket
zenith mirage
This phone's an LG G5, so the battery is real easy to takd out. The real trouble is finding a replacement
reef patrol
iPhone batteries are very easy to get out.,
Two strips of tape out and it just goes out.
toxic jolt
okay but what about the part where you need to remove and replace the front of the phone, while being careful not to break it, and having to replace the rubber seal
lol
pastel spoke
aye im getting a GTX 1080 on 3 october
ashen spindle
nice
zenith mirage
I was in CEX looking at GPUs today. They're selling 1080s used, barely below what you can get them for on Amazon
Shambles
toxic jolt
what do you guys think of using a 250GB SSD as a cache for a 2tb drive with mostly games on it?
reef patrol
I think you should stop trying to use cache drives, and just leave the two drives alone 😄
toxic jolt
I can't find something to use it for 😦
reef patrol
GAYMS
toxic jolt
I already have almost 4tb of space for games lol
reef patrol
Fast gaem load
toxic jolt
already have 2tb of wd black so already pretty fast load lol
pale sigil
Ayy more phones being banned from flights
tall finch
every phone that people actually buy will have 1 or 2 "blow up"
pale sigil
I've never had a phone blow up
tall finch
I dont know a single person who has
but if you sell millions, at least a couple units will fail
pale sigil
Oh I Saint realise what you meant
toxic jolt
Lol fast charge
Rip
I got a card off of eBay just so I could fast charge from my pc
sturdy crater
Your port killed 4 wires? Are you sure it not just because of the horrible design of micro b
reef patrol
spiral pier
I wonder if Linus will do a video about that 😂 Considering he used to work there
pale sigil
Linus doesn't need to do anything really
reef patrol
He tried to buy their news thing specifically as I recall.
spiral pier
He also wanted to buy the YouTube Play button for the show he was on
Some random youtuber bought it 😂
reef patrol
Auction was a complete waste of time for anyone with brains. 😄
ashen spindle
I think he posted it because at that timestamps he says that hopefully the data gets shredded lol
tall finch
yeah
reef patrol
Ah. Missed the timestamp
spiral pier
That's brilliant.
pale sigil
F
toxic jolt
I'll try to find
it's not up for sale anymore, I'll try to find someone else selling it
here's it is for $15 CAD
I wasn't able to get the regular usb port to work
it has power, but no data. Probably needs the drivers on the disk I lost
the type-c port works like a charm tho
crude cipher
Anyone else getting spammed by this stupid "IRL App"
I'm upset enough that I submitted a complaint
toxic jolt
Not yet but I get lots if spam
crude cipher
@reef patrol did the DRAM Size overflow? Loooool
Who uses signed ints to represent sizes
reef patrol
Dead motherboard. Got it to post once and got this. Note the Mhz on that CPU 😄
timid chasm
cpu or ram?
I'd run that even if it was single channel 😛
actually not with that size, nvm haha
pale sigil
impressed with my own cabeling ngl
tho my cousin has altered it
i did his build some time ago
he just replaced gpu
reef patrol
pale sigil
@golden girder https://github.com/nirewen/Citador
timid chasm
Did any of you watch "Lyles" video on the Verge build?
In case you didn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vmQOO4WLI4
golden girder
@pale sigil Thank you but I only use Discord in the brower and not the app.
pale sigil
WHAAAAAAAAAA
zenith mirage
Grab a used 1080ti or something
That's what I'm tempted to do at the end of the year or something
See what prices are like
reef patrol
Uuuuuuughhhhh.... I hate my brain sometimes.
pale sigil
I'm to paranoid to buy new 😓
reef patrol
Watched Ready Player One when I woke up, and now I can't let go of the idea of building a retro themed system.
zenith mirage
Retro as in off-white plastic and floppy disks, or retro as in space invaders?
reef patrol
As in demo scene specifically in this case. Think.... Watch Dogs dedsec datamoshing/pop culture memes.
Spent far too long making a sketch in PS.
Been going through several themes. Demoscene, Cyberpunk, Miami retro 80s (neon), but this one hits closest to home.
reef patrol
Torn between hacker datamoshing (Dedsec style) and the more mainstream Outrun esque thing.
reef patrol
Go for it. I would have kept mine, if I wasn't offered a 2080.
reef patrol
zenith mirage
Speaking for myself, if I was getting a 10 series I'd wait and see what 1080ti prices do. But if you need a GPU and there's a good deal on a 1080 then go for it
zenith mirage
Retailers will want to shift stock as time goes on, they'll go down
pale sigil
And you have a gpu I don't
zenith mirage
Failing that the second hand market will always serve up deals
pale sigil
It's driving me insane
😠
I want to play shadow of tomb raider so bad
And I severely miss vr
pale sigil
You gonna pay for it
zenith mirage
I wish there was a competing AMD card out
Im pretty sure we won't see anything high end for ages, which is a shame
zenith mirage
Ah well, they'll come back around
Also, the phone that I ordered on Amazon last Tuesday hasn't even been picked up by the courier and its supposed to arrive on Wednesday. I have my doubts
zenith mirage
Took a chance on a listing that was a fair bit lower so we'll see if it was legit
pale sigil
It's Sunday
zenith mirage
I have like 3 spare cards in my flat doing nothing
I keep saying I'll build a PC with spare parts but Ill probably never get to it
pale sigil
Make a ryzen build
zenith mirage
It's more than its worth tbh
It'd only go in our living room to play games on our TV
pale sigil
What spares do you have
pale sigil
Sidenote: I had a friend offer to lend a 970, then he went and... If you have a custom loop that fits the water block
Dick move -_-
I meant gpus specifically
zenith mirage
Trying to think. Two 600 series cards I think and a R9 290
pale sigil
Ah I see
zenith mirage
Although the 290 might see use in a mate's PC
zenith mirage
That's impressive
zenith mirage
Can't be that bad right? I mean my mate was running games just fine on a 680ti or something
Oops
zenith mirage
Okay yeah fair
That either shows how bad the card is, or how far modern iGPUs have come
pale sigil
I mean, when it comes to vram the 750 bumps it for sure
But when it comes to say bfv I had greater performance
On internal
zenith mirage
Wonder when my card will be too weak to keep up? I'm guessing late 2019/early 2020
R9 390
At least it has a fair whack of VRAM going for it
pale sigil
I think I'm just going to go with the 1080
After all its only £30 out of my pocket vs £200+
zenith mirage
Fair play
pale sigil
I think maybe if next gen vr is worthy then I'll invest in the ti series
Just wsrxh
Cv2 announced a day after I get my 1080
Also my oculus is still in its wrapping lmao
The replacement
pale sigil
Eh i disagree
zenith mirage
I feel like it's something I'd use intensely for a while, then sporadically after that
zenith mirage
My flatmate is keen to get one for the flat, but I'm not keen on it considering only one of us has a decent GPU
Actually thats not necessarily true, he has a laptop with a 1070 which would probably do
pale sigil
It doesn't matter
It's a misconception
I mean best saber can be played on a 750 lool
I Shit you not
zenith mirage
Fair
pale sigil
zenith mirage
Idk then, it's still a pain to take PCs back and forth into a space big enough to play
Especially since we barely have space as it is
pale sigil
The whole min specs is stupid
People are still using older cards
Well wait for new oculus standalone
Full vr, internal tracking
Own headset
It's rumored launch titles are pretty good
So it's going to be impressive
Rumoured launch title
zenith mirage
I'll check it out when I'm not on crappy train wifi
pale sigil
Better than nothing
I get no signal on trains
We still use what are they called
Bus on track
pale sigil
No
zenith mirage
No clue then
pale sigil
zenith mirage
I'd call that a train but maybe there's another name
zenith mirage
Never seen one of them personally
pale sigil
Mostly because it's used by northernrail these days
zenith mirage
I'm clearly too far north for that then
pale sigil
It's not as bad as my first 2 years of uni tho
The first year it was pacers every day
They are truly awful
For a journey like mine
I can understand short ones
But that train is a total health 2 hours? If you're going from Liverpool to Manchester
zenith mirage
The train journey I'm currently on is daft because it's a Sunday. Normally take 3 and a quarter hours, will take that long to get to the connecting train station. Then another hour after that
I'd hate having to get public transport every day
pastel spoke
I just got a msi gtx 1080Ti armor OC but when it gets to load temps the fans start making this weird rattling almost grinding noise, anyone know what might cause this and how to fix it?
pale sigil
@pastel spoke GB?
pastel spoke
11GB
pale sigil
i mean gigabyte?
pastel spoke
Oh no its msi
pastel spoke
Ive checked the fans dont seem loose
pale sigil
most of the time you cant do anything about it
pale sigil
flem, i know what he is talking about which is why i said it can be loose.
flem
plez
go away
❤
people usually call it wine, at least when the fan is making a noise
is it like this
pastel spoke
Yeah but its a bit sharper i guess?
pale sigil
Ye i had that issue with my 970
pastel spoke
The thing is the wine is only there when the card is hot and under loaf
Loaf
Load
Ugh
pale sigil
cos your fans are most likely on auto
reef patrol
Coil Whine is normal.
pastel spoke
When i put the fan speed up manually within afterburner when the cards at idle the whine isnt there
pale sigil
^ ye which is why i said you cant do much
Oh that is interesting.
oh god what did i just hear
pastel spoke
It sucks i cant send audio files, i have a audio recording of it on my phone
pastel spoke
Im not at my computer now btw
pale sigil
im curious now
plush summit
But you're using a computer to use Discord
pastel spoke
Im on my phone rn
plush summit
Unless it's iOS.... Then I can't save you
pastel spoke
The recording on my phone is the same as in the video you sent MrPleasant_exe
pale sigil
RIP
zenith mirage
I want to try OCing again, but i suck with ryzen
Well, i suck in general and ryzen isn't helping with funny memory issues
reef patrol
OC First, THEN play around with RAM.,
smoky moat
So Aimpad is no longer making a full keyboard. Instead starting a kickstarter next week for a control pad 😐
pale sigil
this is old news lol
smoky moat
oh, searched for aimpad and didn't find any recent discussions. Just saw a video aimpad posted about it yesterday.
er friday actually
smoky moat
this control pad will still be made by coolermaster I believe.
smoky moat
Yeah, just pulled up the video. It is going to be made by coolermaster.
smoky moat
His tech is cool, but personally I find the most value in my Wooting with DKS and actually lowering the actuation point to an ideal level.
Also appreciate how easy it was to swap out springs to my ideal pressure.
pale sigil
Dont get me wrong.
Off the record i would love to try his tech but he is cocky, wants to make pure profit and like i said really cocky.
smoky moat
Personally the actual analog features I rarely used, but I mostly play Quake which doesn't support it anyway.
pale sigil
Every chance he gets he aims at Wooting.
smoky moat
Well, Wooting has succeeded and he hasn't yet 😐
pale sigil
Which i find incredibly disrespectful considering the amount of times i and wooting in general agknowledge and complment also honest about it.
$140 for a few analog keys? thats just unreasonable.
Coolsr masters board with his switches is like $180 and its like 5 of them?
smoky moat
That's another thing. I use the left side of the keyboard for movement keys (to give my mouse more room) so it makes aimpad even more pointless.
Was an original supporter of aimpad before I learned of Wooting, and now even more I'm glad that Wooting has been able to deliver.
Although I still hope he's able to find success. More keyboards with analog control just means more support from more games at this point.
pale sigil
i do too.
And his tech is awesome.
And defientely more stable.
But he needs to lower his expectations.
Think about it... .
Wooting are just 3 ex students who played guild wars.
smoky moat
No shit, they played Guild Wars? Didn't know that.
I got into eSports playing that game. Commentated some of the original tournaments.
pale sigil
One of them was even an intern i think.
smoky moat
Kind of the reason why I'm such a big Quake head now. lol
pale sigil
Calder pretty much brought everyone together.
They did it with 0 funding and lived in seperate countries.
So its very much possible....
Aimpad just has their expectations to high.
Though it does help Wooting having a contract with Flaretech, that alone is cheaper than aimpad using cherry....
which was originally his plan.
smoky moat
Although as I'm thinking right now. My ideal formfactor is the ErgoDox personally, so perhaps a "control pad" design is best. Then if you then support using two of them at a time as a full keyboard you could then sell them in pairs for more money. $_$
however you'd need a symmetrical design.
hard thicket
looks sexy
pale sigil
1 tag
pale sigil
Woot Woot
dense vapor
picture doesnt do it justice sadface
pale sigil
ye it doesn't 😂
toxic jolt
What are they like to type on? How sturdy are they? Travel distance?
dense vapor
i was looking at the pic and i was like "thats so shit lmao"
@toxic jolt so feel wise they are pretty fun to type on and i noticed the difference immediately
the material is wonders and they feel real sturdy
as for travel distance.. about the same? no quantifiable info in that regards lol
disclaimer: they fit real snug on the keyswitch stems....... like..... u might break a stem trying to remove these in the future lmao
toxic jolt
that's good; looking at it, it seems like they might feel a little wobbly
timid chasm
nice @dense vapor I got the same ones and I did the same with keeping my Wooting caps. Only other ones I kept though were the Mode and Tab. I replaced the rest.
I didn't invert my spacebar though. Interesting approach. Or is that right and I'm inverted?
From my experience these caps are tight on the stems though. Be careful when removing them (use the cap puller on single size caps and make sure to pull straight up) and be careful with the wider keys. I had to use my fingers on tab, enter, backspace, etc.. the puller didn't quite grab and hold them
limber gale
nah, that's inverted
dense vapor
@toxic jolt not any wobblier than keyboards with an open configuration like the wooting, still i def recommend them and the wooting for sure
@timid chasm yeah keeping the wooting caps as a must lol
and yes keen observation the spacebar is inverted lol
i prefer it inverted because i game a lot and the feel is just nicer in my opinion
and u are right about the puller not grabbing the larger cap lol
overrall i love the keycaps
tall finch
ah
thought you had some power delivery thing break but I must have been thinking of someone else
solar hinge
pudding keycaps
reef patrol
Purely looks though. Same profile. 😃
pale sigil
My mum wants to get a dog cam... I'm highly against the idea of a camera watching the entire living room while im home over the network, I said If you want one iin turning it off everytime I come downstairs because ye no.
ashen spindle
get one with amazon integration so you get instant suggestions for food when someone gets hungry, something breaks or you talk about wanting something anywhere in your house 
sturdy crater
I mean there are those auto feeders with cameras as well. Those won't be able to see you unless you're planning on being on the floor
haughty condor
they are low profile kailh choc switches @misty saffron
misty saffron
the caps look extra sexy tho
haughty condor
caps were probably custom made, there aren't many off-the-shelf options for chocs
haughty condor
nods
misty saffron
i'd like to have those caps though
hard thicket
imagine such caps for the wooting
blocky ones
would cause lot's of mistypes because of the spacing
but look good
toxic jolt
now that popular OSes are adding dark themes to apps, you know what we really need?
pale sigil
to get rid of windows
toxic jolt
true but not what I had in mind
reef patrol
Big ole anime tiddie gir... no... no that's not right
toxic jolt
something to switch between themes depending on ambient light
we could also use anime tiddies but that's a given
ashen spindle
or just good dark themes that work in every scenario so you don't need anything else
queen sparrow
can we have an ambient light sensor on the wooting two? please please please!
pale sigil
Windows
still allows jack shit customization
Windows is the IOS of desktop PCs
lets be honest.
ashen spindle
yeah but mac on a pc is worse and I'm kinda afraid for linux now tbh
ashen spindle
did you catch any of the discussion around the Code of conduct thing regarding linux?
pale sigil
recent?
ashen spindle
yes
pale sigil
shoot
fickle ore
microsoft might be creating a barebones windows 10 version but its probably crap too
forgot what it was called
timid chasm
the dude lol
toxic jolt
they've made multiple "barebones" editions of windows
ashen spindle
give me a second to find a link, easier than to explain everything
fickle ore
not talking about LTSB
toxic jolt
they're mostly just regular windows home with most extra services disabled
timid chasm
S?
toxic jolt
that's just services tho
I mean on the technical side, it's just services
let me put it in perspective
if I want to upgrade to 10 pro from 10 home, I have to sit through some downloads and updates and restarts for about 10 minutes maybe
pale sigil
Ugh
ashen spindle
pale sigil
Even home is filled with shit
ashen spindle
extremely long thread
toxic jolt
if I want to upgrade from S, which is supposed to be the "barebones" edition of windows, I just click a button and wait 5 seconds
no restart or anything
pale sigil
tl:tr while i cook?
timid chasm
you also only install things from the windows store
toxic jolt
windows 10 home is more barebones to win 10 pro, than win 10 S is to any other version
MUCH more
ashen spindle
extreme tl;dr: code of conduct from SJW's now added to linux kernel, can be used to remove dev's just because they have different political views, regardless of how good their code is
timid chasm
yeah that sounds fun
toxic jolt
I'm still waiting for an OS run entirely off of chrome's V8 JS engine
im jk lol but I would get behind an OS with HTML5 UI
fickle ore
think it was called Windows 10 Lean
pale sigil
L E A N
ashen spindle
also apparently the CoC was already used to go after a dev who did say something 7! years ago, but haven't really read details about it, topic is way too big and spread around
toxic jolt
oof is all I can say
fickle ore
yeah Windows 10 Lean supposed to be a lot more "lean" than S ;p
toxic jolt
but with windows, all the corporate nonsense gets kept internally, so nobody has to hear about all the terrible things they do at microsoft
fickle ore
wish they'd give the option for completely custom install tho
toxic jolt
yes omg
I downloaded NTLite at work and tried to make custom windows installs
bro it's literally like WTF why is this so hard
fickle ore
yeah its too hard
toxic jolt
it takes like an hour to apply 4 months worth of updates, then another hour to compile and decompile
fickle ore
you can also do some with DISM but its frustarting
toxic jolt
THEN half of the time, the config stuff you put it either doesn't work or has been replaced by some other hidden option
fickle ore
theres another program which is free but I forgot
but apparently its focused on performance, somewhat atleast
pale sigil
i would take a bare bones official w10 anyday
i wish i could remove cortana for a start without killing search bar
toxic jolt
yea
ik
I mean obv I can't say for sure, but my guess it's more for laptops and such
toxic jolt
lower end stuff like HP streams and whatnot
stuff that could use the performance and disk space
so I wouldn't be surprise if it was windows store only
tall finch
didnt they start making Surface devices run Win10 S by default
tall finch
ah they did the Surface Laptop as S by default
and the Surface Go(but that one actually almost makes sense)
toxic jolt
thaaaaat's what it was
I was pretty sure the pros ran 10 pro, but something in the back of my mind was like "MMMMM"
zenith mirage
Can't you kill cortana with registry edits?
ashen spindle
depends on what version of what type of win10
crimson wigeon
Yeah you can, while the UI toggle has been removed for whatever reason, the underlying registry setting still works
reef patrol
You people have Cortana? 
Come to Denmark. I have literally never experienced Cortana.
pale sigil
you have
its built into search
even i you disable
she lingers
in the background
reef patrol
I was referring to the whole Siri aspect.
It's just Windows Search to me. No talking, no asking. I just have a neat search window (that utterly sucks)
tall finch
I like windows search 95% of the time, but the 5% of the time when it just wont ever find the one thing you're explicitly searching for is infuriating
sturdy crater
Nah windows search is horrible. I search for photoshop and get photos app and 0 results
pale sigil
i never said what it was
i said its built into the search
which means if you disable cortana you disable search
sturdy crater
There's this other app that fixes windows search
Can't remember what it's called
But its faster as well i believe
pale sigil
you do
sturdy crater
Nope
pale sigil
backspace everything
sturdy crater
Sec.
ashen spindle
uhh I have the search and no cortana
sturdy crater
Same
sturdy crater
Maybe you just don't know how to windows
ashen spindle
think im on the newest version yea
toxic jolt
it's def possible just hard sometimes
pale sigil
i dsiabled everything boi
sturdy crater
And you're using cortona. I use search. https://i.imgur.com/3UWcTlj.png
You didn't disable it mate ;p
plush summit
@pale sigil same here...its a rege tweek
plush summit
well...in the early versionb of win 10 it could be disabled with a button
but that option was removed
ashen spindle
you still can in the enterprise version I think
crimson wigeon
Yup, but the underlying registry value is still honored
plush summit
they have the instructions there
they also thave the zip with the reg key that you can download and just click to install
sturdy crater
I'm pretty sure anniversary update is older than my computer
Could be wrong tho
This post is from 2016 so.. Ya def an older post
plush summit
If you wany extra control with group policy editor...i have a bat file that will install it
For win home devices
crimson wigeon
And as far as I know, that policy gets ignored which is pure evil
sturdy crater
I think you guys just need to learn windows better
plush summit
ashen spindle
the registry tricks still work, they just sometimes change what you need to change depending on what update you are on
plush summit
I haven't had anything go sideways on me yet
sturdy crater
Well actually i do technically have a reg edit. 7+ taskbar. But that has nothing to do with cortona so. I only use it so i can combine windows and have them on same tab with their names.. Because for some reason windows 10 removed that.
But anyways.. If you are having trouble i believe the program named shutup10 allows you to disable it as well
zenith mirage
yep