all batteries are consumable though
#🔌│tech
pliant tulip
it'll die in 2-3 years no matter how you'll use it
and with 'die' I mean 'severely deteriorate'
pale sigil
Batteries last longer if you charge via wireless charger
It's also just convenience
Just to sit down and place it
Especially at your desk
Or at airports
Places you eat
Also I use mije when I sleep or at my desk
If I want to use fast charge I will when I need to but it's rarely ever the case
warped dove
"Batteries last longer if you charge via wireless charger" how was this tested? Is it just a consequence of them charging half as quickly?
pliant tulip
I just charge them overnight, have never ran into a situation where I was low on battery
pale sigil
I hate the idea of my phone plugged in
pale sigil
@warped dove many research papers
Just google them
Also SJ there's no way you haven't had a phone that's degraded faster than it should
If you plug your phone in all the time
pliant tulip
I'm on a 2 year upgrade cycle
pale sigil
Ah
pliant tulip
my old 6S had a crappy battery when it was brand new, it didn't last a full day
pale sigil
So you fall for the whole we make your phones useless so you have to keep buying new ones trap
pliant tulip
besides I always give my old phones to my sister
haughty condor
My Nexus 6P degraded twice
haughty condor
Maybe 3 times, although I think that time was the SoC breaking
pale sigil
ugh iPhone X has such a small battery
pliant tulip
bigger than 8+
pale sigil
They just slow down the phone 😄
pliant tulip
I really wish they did a night mode
the biggest power consumer is the screen
and since X has an OLED screen
black pixels don't consume anything
pale sigil
Nothing new
pliant tulip
it would easily double the battery life
pale sigil
Samsung let you change colours and resolution to save battery
pliant tulip
like I said, I'm not that bothered
pale sigil
As they've been using Amoled for years
No I'm just saying
I'm using an iPad as we speak
I'm not super anti apple
ashen spindle
too bad the mouse I just bought wasn't on amazon lol
warm ermine
no wireless mice, no thanks 
pale sigil
Skrub
pliant tulip
wireless mice are for complete plebs
reef patrol
Wireless for games? Eh... no 😄
warm ermine
alright please do your research and get up to date
on that stuff
there is no connectivity issues or anything with the new wireless mice
delay is the same as wired
ashen spindle
but why should I go wireless when I need to recharge it in the middle of using it and dont notice having a cable anyway? + always more risky of having signal issues with wirless than with wired mice
timid chasm
Not sure how research is even applicable here as we never made arguments about those things in the first place
pliant tulip
it's not related to wireless charging
it's just that more power puts less stress on the battery
but like I said, in the long run it doesn't make a difference
batteries are cheap and most of the time you can replace them yourself
warm ermine
you don't need to recharge it in the middle of anything
i also thought i don't notice the cable but after i swapped i can't go back to wired
feels so uncomfortable
can't speak to the risk factor since i don't have any stats for that
haven't seen any complaints about the new wave wireless mice yet but that requires more time i imagine
ashen spindle
how do I not need to recharge it? do they suddenly offer batteries with infinite batteries?
warm ermine
i said in the middle of anything
you just overnight it
unless you're at your pc literally 24/7
then you have a point
ashen spindle
well how long do they last without charging
ashen spindle
yeah would be annoying if you ever forget to charge it and have to do it in the middle of something
also the cable thing is personal preference, I notice no differnce between my mouse or a wireless one
warm ermine
well either get into a habit of charging every 2 days or just be aware of the battery level, plus it's not like it's the apple mouse
where you can't use it plugged in
you just plug it in and use it like a normal wired mouse
ashen spindle
yeah but a wireless mouse won't have a great cable so it'd most likely be more noticeable when you use it
warm ermine
wait why wouldn't it?
warm ermine
idk, the one i have has a cable of similar quality to previous wired ones i had
ashen spindle
plus wireless adds extra cost I'd assume
warm ermine
can't speak for mice i don't have but afaik all the wireless logitech G ones have a similar cable
oh yea for sure it costs more
that's a valid point
clever sigil
Logitech G703 is a very good wireless mouse, battery lasts up to 30h and if you buy the logitech powerplay mousepad you never have to charge it using a cable again
And the wireless Corsair K63 mech Keyboard was 90€ on amazon primeday sale today, which is less than most other corsair keyboards, so yes going full wireless is an option for gaming right now.
ashen spindle
yeah not arguing its unrealistic or bad, but it's not necessary/cheaper/etc.
ashen spindle
3 months of how many hours per day?
pliant tulip
it's used for about 6 hours a day at work
monday to friday
still it's a bit impressive imho, especially considering I got it over 2 years ago
ashen spindle
couldn't go away from having side buttons after having used them ones tbh
pliant tulip
I wouldn't use it on my gaming rig
like ever
it's borderline unusable with windows
but yeah for gaming rigs you're definitely better off with a wired mouse so there's that
ashen spindle
I mean even for working/browsing it's just such a handy shortcut
pliant tulip
it has gestures to do that
ashen spindle
true forgot that, but then I'd have to use two different things for the same input on work/gaming it's probably a good thing for mac, as they have different shortcuts anyway
pliant tulip
yeah the gestures practically don't work on windows
scrolling does, but that's it
and the shortcuts are pretty much the same
just where you have control key, most of the time it's just command key
but yeah I don't use any of my mac gear on my gaming rig
it's just horrible
spice portal
«or just be aware of the battery level» - plenty of things to keep track of/monitor already. Don't need more mental burden.
pale sigil
How come you write like that btw?
pale sigil
Oh that's what it is
spice portal
«…» is English quotation marks, yes…
latent mural
🤔 how do you write «
spice portal
@latent mural ComposeKey + < + <
ashen spindle
wtf is a compose key
latent mural
compose key?
ashen spindle
huh guess I found what I can bind on my deactivated capslock
spice portal
@ashen spindle Caps Lock is what I use for Compose Key. 😄
latent mural
that's some hard work for writing quotes 🤔
spice portal
Compose key is what enabled me to switch from NORDIC ISO to US ANSI without losing the ability to write Scandinavian.
(And actually made a lot of things a lot easier to write.)
latent mural
I usually avoid US keyboard like the plague so it doesn't infect my installation
spice portal
I used to only be able to use (NORDIC) ISO keyboards, but then I got a US ANSI laptop (which I use(d) much more frequently than desktop).
pliant tulip
and if you can't, you can always create a tool that does that
I love linux even though I don't use it in non-server environments
ashen spindle
yeah I was planning to switching to a layout like ANSI but wasn't sure where to pput my ÄÖÜ keys, guess with that I can fix that issue
spice portal
@latent mural It’s really not that hard when you get used to it.
latent mural
on windows it's really common for US keyboard to appear in the language bar whenever it wants to if you ever had it enabled, no matter if it's disabled or whatever. that's why I usually just install in finnish and add japanese and don't touch the eng layouts
spice portal
@ashen spindle Worked well for me. Also, I mix Danish (æøå), Swedish (äöå), Spanish (é etc.), Lithuanian (ū, ė, …), and typographic punctuation…
No one keyboard layout will give me access to all of that easily.
But compose key makes all of them equally easy/tricky to write.
ashen spindle
praise be the otherwise bad capslock key
spice portal
You could do both. :p
(Insert is "hidden" under Fn + End on my laptop's keyboard, so not really an easily reachable key for me.)
latent mural
I once had a keyboard that just completely randomly had a long delete button instead of delete and insert
clever sigil
My caps lock is a 2nd "3" Key
reef patrol
When Canadian Linus likes my daily driver headset. 
timid chasm
yay it's all black!
my main turnoff for headsets is gamer-y colors/things or accent colors
timid chasm
Canussian Linus
neat oriole
isn't he from one of the former ussr countries?
spice portal
Linus is Finnish. #linuxmasterrace #onetruelinus
reef patrol
You'd Dmitry's thick accent was a dead giveaway 😄
warped dove
@reef patrol regarding the PC37X (Black Sennheiser Game One) It seem just a tad dated. Those materials... But I'm certainly considering. Though, I don't need a microphone - just some accurate open-design gaming headphones.
I am backing these headphones, so maybe I shouldn't buy two pairs at once... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1819116160/pure-customizable-headphones-that-adjust-to-your-h
The GSP 500 seem heckin' good. But stupid looking. Those were released very recently. I think Hardware Canucks may have missed them...
Well, same. Just become interested due to some recent activity.
latent mural
My main gripe with headsets is audio quality
oh wait this conversation is old
@misty saffron sad reality is that he Is trying
reef patrol
Materials, @warped dove ? 😃
And the 373D style headphones are strictly a combination of gamer mic requirements and longterm use. If I only had to listen, I'd get some proper studio headphones from something like Sennheiser instead.
warped dove
@reef patrol dat velvet. The guy in the video says himself, it attracts debris and the cable is stiff and coarse.
Also, I did some firsthand research on mid-high cost headphones and found that only the very newest seinsheiser headphones didn't feel flimsy and have overrated sound.
warped dove
I think on the headphone end it has an tricky shape.
haughty condor
I've got the Sennheiser game ones, really good
Mic needs more power than most onboard soundcards will give though
reef patrol
Good thing the 373D comes with a dongle 😃
pale sigil
@warm ermine what games do you play in vr
Most games I have 1.9 super sample
But some not do much
warm ermine
bought it for vrchat in january and that's where i spent the most time
warm ermine
but i also played lone echo beat saber robo recall
lone echo was the one where i really tested supersampling properly
pale sigil
Lone echo is just perfectly optimised
warm ermine
i can't go above 1.4 in it without stutter
pale sigil
New echo combat beta on the 20th
warm ermine
with a gtx970 and i7-8700k
warm ermine
yea but i find that that's where gpu is my bottleneck mostly
because i had a worse processor initially when i cought vr
bought*
and i haven't noticed much improvement with the new one
whereas the other games i play outside vr had immense improvement
i play every game on all low anyway since i just want highest fps possible for competitive reasons, i'm not really into high quality singleplayer experience and stuff like that
neat oriole
Yeah but PC37X are basically 598 with a mic
And better priced
If you really want good imaging open backs beyerdynamic image really well
And try to get the 600ohm versions
They’re the best
DT880 is mostly neutral and DT990 is v-shaped
neat oriole
600ohms are less harsh
250 ohms sound a lot harsher
These are pretty sensitive cans
Like 102db or something
Your ears definitely will adjust to the sound
But why not have it adjust to something less harsh
Anyhow
Beyers image very well
Yeah I get it
I hear it all the time over on audio forums
Like they’re happy with their stuff and any suggestions is just sort of turned down in a way
Nothing wrong with that
Pretty natural response
Amen
And usually what happens is someone goes “what should I get” when they already have something in mind and only want validation for their pre-made decision
People are just protective of their investments
reef patrol
agile hemlock
And its late
neat oriole
Sleep or coffee
agile hemlock
maybe both
neat oriole
Maybe a White Russian then
agile hemlock
Under 18?
neat oriole
we won’t snitch
reef patrol
You take the pillow to bed—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take java —you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I'm offering is the bean.
spice portal
Tea leaf ones. 
neat oriole
No idea I drink Nespresso
latent mural
I just get medium-roast pre-ground arabica
agile hemlock
My favourite flavour is Zoethout, which I believe translates to Liquorice
Specific
I like it
warm ermine
NO
pale sigil
use stylus
warm ermine
i guess same thing as swapping from adblock to ublock back in the day
thanks for linking that tho
timid chasm
neat oriole
Time to beat some sense into those kids at the factories!
Although that looks like an older macbook
Or whatever mac
pale sigil
Well thats just annoying -_- discovered my mobo only has m.2 wifi slot
wait
it does have it xD wrong mobo
🤦 i looked up the wrong mobo somehow xD
Wonder if the gpu will be in the way xD
Seems like a bit of a flaw
timid chasm
Looks flush with the pcie slot. I've not seen a typical GPU hang lower than that I don't think
timid chasm
my 1060 was evga and I dont remember it hanging low
putting an ssd in? I didn't think heat bothered ssds much
pale sigil
Eh i just kinda looked it up
timid chasm
Make sure you're not using up too many SATA ports for m.2 functionality. My last mobo was restricted on that. Not that I needed it but it was something to know, I guess
pale sigil
as my friend has got one and i dont think his mobo even has an m.2 xD
this is gonna be fun if he hasn't
Im using 3 Sata's atm
Id easily remove 1 or 2 if i got a 970
timid chasm
I don't think I could replace either of my storage hard drives with an ssd. At least not for space :\
pale sigil
all my downloads go on my nas
Oh damn VR Headsets are going to be using USB-C in the future, that will be amazing....
spice portal
I think W2 will be my first USB C device.
pale sigil
My friend bought a 1tb m.2 and it's just for games, he isn't sticking his OS on it
timid chasm
not even enough for 1 of my common folders lol 😦
toxic jolt
one time I had a 1tb meme drive
I thought it'd be easy to fill, turns out it wasnt
I had over 3000 sorted memes on it, and it was only like a couple gigs
neat oriole
it's hard to find 1tb worth of bad quality memes
toxic jolt
Let's do the math
My math (and my math is REALLY bad), says that I would need about 15707309 memes, if the average meme I had was 70kb
granted, the drive had bad sectors, so god knows how much you'd get on before it'd just die
And trust me, they were good memes 😜
neat oriole
that's why I only save 4k memes
zenith mirage
Absurd res memes
pale sigil
8k memes
In bdo could take 10k screenshots
Files were like 60mb+
My screenshots folder was like 30gb
zenith mirage
neat oriole
It’s actually incredible
You zoom in and think “wow that’s a lot of noise”
Then you zoom in further
And it’s like “holy shit these are all stars”
pale sigil
I can beat that
neat oriole
“Each with its system of planets”
pale sigil
1 min
neat oriole
“Each with a small chance of having a habitable planet”
Really gives you a perspective of the universe
They release new images all the time
agile hemlock
You guys ever played Space Engine?
pale sigil
agile hemlock
THe sandbox simulator thingy
neat oriole
What does it do different
agile hemlock
You can just fly between stars and planets
agile hemlock
But little interactionb
pale sigil
Not discord view
agile hemlock
Yeah its free
Oh the image
Also free
But space engine is more exploration while universe sandbox is more about the space physics
neat oriole
I also like turning Jupiter into a star by throwing more Jupiters at it
neat oriole
Yeah but explosions
agile hemlock
Okay okay
neat oriole
I got it to look star like after about 100 and something Jupiters
pale sigil
Man Pluto horizon day was incredible (New horizons)
neat oriole
Spacetelescope.org publishes the best space pics
neat oriole
It is real
neat oriole
The way the colour composition works is they use multiple sensors that only detect one specific band of waves
Then they assign each band it’s own colour
neat oriole
Then they combine it
They take radio waves, ir, visible, uv, and x-ray
Then they put em together
Since a lot of these things are so far away (and blue/red shifted) you can’t see much just with visible waves
pale sigil
Yes but the Images are still not raw
And heavily edited
Still nice tho
Just removes some of the charm xD
neat oriole
They’re edited to look more like how they’d look if they were right in front of us
They’ll also usually stitch multiple images together
So hypothetically if the bubble nebula was suddenly moved right where the sun is we would more likely see it as the blue one rather than the red one.
Also the raw data is usually monochrome anyway
They have to add colour afterwards
toxic jolt
^
queen sparrow
new wootility version is merged in homebrew.
timid chasm
We should get even more badass images once the James Webb launches (if it launches without issues 🤞 )
tall finch
is there a way to limit apps from hammering my SSD
one or two updaters like to crush my SSD with writes and it freezes a lot of stuff on my PC until they're done
this is an 500GB 850 EVO btw not a cheapo SSD so idk why it does that
timid chasm
I haven't the slightest about the SSD
Also, if anybody has DisplayFusion you can get NASA pic of the days as random wallpapers. Literally the only reason I got it a while back for custom individual wallpapers across my monitors
stone depot
@tall finch You can install the Samsung Magician to check for SSD firmware updates and it's overall health.
timid chasm
Do they disable when gaming or anything? I do mostly borderless windowed and I feel like it'd use a lot of resources
timid chasm
I'll have to look into it
misty saffron
@tall finch some apps are just trash and will hammer your hdd/ssd no matter how fast your drive is
tall finch
the health is fine and the firmware etc is all up to date
just weird b/c I dont remember my old SSD having this problem and it was a "budget" SSD
could just be forgetting since that was 4ever ago though
I guess it could also be something like the SATA port/controller getting wonky in its old age
misty saffron
it's normal. windows defender also loved to go apeshit and hammer my ssd with 500mb/s read
guess why it's disabled now 😛
tall finch
I found something on google that says you can set stuff to low i/o priority so I'm gonna try to turn all the offenders to low priority and see how it goes
terse musk
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
pale sigil
i have a love hate relationship with brown switches
spare wave
I would like to have brown switches for my Wooting .-. but I probably have to wait for those.
pale sigil
@spare wave ye haha
plush summit
i have been using membrane keyboards for a long time...i was originally going to get an mx blue(because clicky). however, people told me that the click gets anoying...so i went with linear....and i dont realy want a tactile bump(any form of resistance at that point) for racing games and emulators(rip my wii)
plush summit
hehehe....i can see it getting annoying...though the tactile bump is totally worth it for typing(something i dont do allot of)
plush summit
meh....i can always buy some blues if i don't like the linears....that's the bonus of hot swappable keys, right?
pale sigil
Yes
Can use different switches at the same time also
For example I use reds on wasd and space
plush summit
Red= linear
Blue= clicky
Black=linear (more actuation force)?
pale sigil
Yes
spare wave
Can you provide a decibel peak of the blues?
plush summit
wouldn't the surface that the keyboard rests on also play a role in the sound?
reef patrol
Sometimes, yes.
toxic jolt
altitude as well
pale sigil
absolute aids of a theme
haughty condor
Photo editing, works with Lightroom and Aurora
reef patrol
It's pretty neat. Feels like there's a bit too much wasted space, but I can appreciate a dedicated tool 😄
haughty condor
229 euro
reef patrol
Phew
haughty condor
yeah their site is nice, same with the outer packaging for the deck
they say they're working on more compatibility
I'm guessing some of it will work natively, just not all the features
reef patrol
I'd buy an open source version with less empty space. Just blanks for everything, so you could label it and program it ala. Autohotkey 😄
pale sigil
I really want to dabble in a 10Gb network but its so pricy
reef patrol
So few networks are even 1Gbit, much less 10 😄
pale sigil
i know haha
reef patrol
Jumbo Frames? Ain't heard of that 
pale sigil
I have been thinking of replaceing my 2x2tb drives with 2x4tb drives in my nas
but it kinda feels like throwing away money
nova ember
Do you not have room for just 2 more drives?
toxic jolt
what would one dabble with in 10gb networking lol
haughty condor
Today's mailbox was good
Kono Store Hexgear X-1 Bluetooth keyboard with low profile kailh choc blues
latent mural
Just redownloaded Project Aurora! Did we have any updates? I didn't find any news here but still can't see Wooting under Devices & Wrappers
pale sigil
Are you using the public build?
Because the public stable build doesn't support eh wooting
@rugged pelican did you release it now the firmware is out?
rugged pelican
I hadn't, I'm not able to make a release right now as I'm away and won't be back until Thursday
pale sigil
Fair enough, just wondered if you knew or not yet :)
pale sigil
@latent mural
latent mural
awesome, thanks! @pale sigil @rugged pelican
nova ember
Anyone know how well side print transparent top keycaps really look? https://img.banggood.com/images/oaupload/banggood/images/08/B8/5d6a5027-6db5-4eb1-8500-28b6c2f1c5f8.jpg
latent mural
@digital cliff yes! it takes a fair bit to understand how it works but I really like it so far! still discovering features 😛
plush summit
wow.....not sure how i would use that(typing is becoming a lost skill) since i still need to see the letters
latent mural
did you download the bleeding edge build? it's the only one that worked for me!
latent mural
strange :/
pale sigil
Ugh the keyboard PCB world is so overwelming.
plush summit
i still think wooting is a better option...being able to set the actuation point is such a good idea....and using the keyboard like an analog stick brings such a huge advantage is some games
(i have such high hopes for this)
pale sigil
Who are you responding to? Me?
latent mural
Okay, after couple of hours of playing and experimenting with Project Aurora I can say this thing is amazing. So many possibilities and so much personalization. Congrats to @rugged pelican will definitely keep using this until the official release.
reef patrol
plush summit
yes...and its mostly just an idle thought as well
pale sigil
i have 2 Wootings xD, i dont just use my Wooting
reef patrol
Heretic. I use both of mine.
pale sigil
Well, i mean.
I do to when i play games
Both are on my desk
Wait you mean Wooting 😄
pale sigil
I may end up taking out £120 again
spiral belfry
Question: Anyone here with a threadripper? (currently got a i7-4790k) I want to know if it is worth getting one XD
timid chasm
Sorry, too pricey for my blood
spiral belfry
I am thinking about getting the new threadripper, the one expected to be 32 cores and 64 threads. Tbh I am still on DDR3 and it is showing its limits XD
tall finch
threadripper seems easy to see if its worth it, no?
need lots of fuggin cores -> worth; dont need lots of fuggin cores -> not worth
haughty condor
i've had 3 ryzen cpus (still have the 1800x), 1500x is the same perf as a 4790k
unless you're doing computational-heavy stuff, you probably don't need TR though
spiral belfry
Well, it will be used as a workstation and gaming all probably at the same time with multiple vms working XD
spiral belfry
XD
pale sigil
Cos he can
spiral belfry
because noone tries to stop me @pale sigil 😛
pale sigil
Doesn't really seem beneficial to run a thread ripper
spiral belfry
3 reasons for it:
The packaging is dope
Cores are <3
AND ITS GOT RIPPER IN THE FUCKING NAME XD
good enough reasons? 😛
pale sigil
No
haughty condor
I mean why not right?
(I'd totally buy one if I had the coin right now)
got a 1800x and a 8700k currently
spiral belfry
so you even have a 8700k @haughty condor and you want a threadripper?
pale sigil
A month later the price of the 8700k dropped like £40
haughty condor
yes, although full disclosure I was part of AMD's advocacy group
so i'm admittedly bias
pale sigil
It's more because why or if he had the coin
haughty condor
and threadripper is just badass
pale sigil
I think anyone would really
pale sigil
I'd love to make a ryzen system because I can
haughty condor
because casual cartel behavior
pale sigil
No one likes flexing man
tall finch
RAM prices are why I'm still on a 4770k
haughty condor
those shifty ram oems
tall finch
16GB 2400Mhz for $55 was 2 strong
pale sigil
No need to grab everyone's attention
spiral belfry
@tall finch I am still on the 4th gen too 😛
pale sigil
I was lucky with my ram
spiral belfry
but the ddr3 is starting to show its flaws
pale sigil
I got mine during sky lake launch
So I got or like 1/4 of the cost
Should have just got 32gb xD
haughty condor
ah yeah i got mine just before that
pale sigil
Regrets
haughty condor
but it was low-volume kit so it was expensive
spiral belfry
£666.36 for only 64gb kit..... (trident z)
spiral belfry
I only buy server stuff second hand XD
tall finch
I buy all my GPUs 2nd hand lol
spiral belfry
I might buy another 1080 and SLI them, but even then.... not really needed
pale sigil
Researching the 1070 during release
tall finch
SLI is gross tho
pale sigil
I said you know what I'll get a 1070 In 2 or 3 months
Idk wish to was but I was like, it's on prime now 1 hour delivery
Made my friend press the guy button xD
I almost got s 1080 tho
spiral belfry
I think the picture I have @pale sigil will make you want to slap me so hard my non-existent brain will exist once again
Here, have it 😛
spiral belfry
the price tag of them all, is close to 3.5k 😛 still a waste? XD
pale sigil
You're like that kid we laughed at a few months ago for linking his wanting to build
No logic
Just childish
pale sigil
I do
I really do
I've had more money than I could handle before
Went crazy on shit
In the end I was just stupid for wanting to be better than others or wanting the fanciest
spiral belfry
This isnt me going balls-to-the-wall in crazy
I could go more XD
Ill stop and hide under my desk now
spiral belfry
ah ok, thanks ❤
halcyon moss
Is that threadripper actually fast on single threaded things?
spiral belfry
I am sure nothing from AMD is fast on the single threaded tasks
haughty condor
it's as fast as any of the ryzen chips, 2nd gen should be slightly improved
cinebench 150-ish, which isn't that far off intel
timid chasm
turn it into GlaDOS or something
spiral belfry
@timid chasm Everything, VMs mainly
I would get a Epyc for my server, but that shit is expensive atm XD
timid chasm
Ah I see. I imagine they're a beast at streaming. Hell the 1700x's are nice for that
haha uh yeah
spiral belfry
I would probably stream on it, but even then my i7-4790k doesnt even sweat XD
timid chasm
do 1080 or 720? I imagine the 4790k's high clock speed helps a lot with that though too
spiral belfry
1080
timid chasm
interesting, I wouldn't expected it to be able to steam 108060
spiral belfry
@haughty condor shall we do a gta style heist to get it?
haughty condor
should be okay on veryfast, bitrate about 4000?
yeah let's
you bring the neon helicopter
timid chasm
4k for 1080 fast paced scenes? that surprises me even more
spiral belfry
I know for a fact that it was super smooth on the stream and never dropped a frame
timid chasm
That's crazy I would've expected a bunch of artifacting at 4000 on very fast
spiral belfry
The only problem I found with it, was the ram, it was too slow for many things I was doing (not livestreaming, data transfers and VM work)
DDR3 just doesn't cut it
(reason for my upgrade)
timid chasm
I should maybe work on my obs setup methinks
spiral belfry
I recommend using streamlabs OBS if you dont already
timid chasm
Ugh I hate streamlabs unless they added multiple profiles
spiral belfry
umm, Cant help there as I havent streamed in weeks and not on a pc that has it installed
timid chasm
I'll dl it in a bit and check it out. I just like having a recording profile and then another stream for my test page
spiral belfry
yeah, you can do that I am sure
you can also edit a scene in the editor without it being live
timid chasm
Last time I used it they just allowed one profile which I found highly annoying
spiral belfry
when you last use it?
timid chasm
JAnuary, I think?
spiral belfry
maybe then, I only started streaming again like a month ago and then had to stop 2 weeks ago XD
pale sigil
Stick your alexia inside it
Program it to respond to "Ryzen tell me the weather"
You what
You don't expect it to stream 1080? @timid chasm
@spiral belfry you don't have Intel virtualisation that's why
It's godly
Makes your virtual machines as fast as your normal
Even for gaming (i used to run bdo in a vm)
timid chasm
I didn't expect the 4790k to do 1080/60
pale sigil
Oh
pale sigil
It can with nvida
timid chasm
nvenc? yeah with crazy bitrate probably
pale sigil
Ye it's powerful
halcyon moss
AMD has its own virt instructions, also widely supported i think
spiral belfry
@pale sigil what you mean I dont have Intel Virtualization, I do XD
timid chasm
You play BDO in windowed?
pale sigil
Did
But that's not a window
That's just a custom layout I made
Originally it had social links and was supposed to support a camera view
spiral belfry
@pale sigil you got i5-6600K?
pale sigil
It was like an old version of the one I made for a streamer
And no
I have a 7700k atm
Oc 5ghz
spiral belfry
was about to say, the 6600k is slow af
pale sigil
Really isn't
Is it because its an i5 because I know your one of those elitist
Who think I7 is a god vs i5
spiral belfry
well, i7 is basically god against a i5 but even then the speed and score of that i5 is poor against it
and even then, I am putting it against a 4th gen cpu, it should beat it or come close
pale sigil
Sigh
spiral belfry
which it doesnt
pale sigil
Go buy a thread ripper boi
spiral belfry
at least type it right 😛
spiral belfry
I do still want to correct you, my i7-4790k does have Intel Virtualization, after you saying it doesnt
pale sigil
Yes
There's another thing
Intel provide
Can't remember the name
But yes it's very much mobo dependant
Also
But chances are he has it too
What mobo do you have
Either way cop idk why your machines aren't enough I've ran about 4 machines windows based and 2 Linux based at once perfectly fine doing mostly hacking based work for uni
spiral belfry
Windows, Linux (Ubuntu), Mac
pale sigil
Idk why you'd run so many at once on your personal desktop
I mean bash is literally built into windows now
spiral belfry
Because it need more for university XD and their system is too slow
pale sigil
Unless you're running a Linux server on a vps on your desktop
Which still makes no sense
Why would you need 9 at once
Nothing I can imagine requires this
spiral belfry
To you, no because it seems your course isn't as demanding
pale sigil
It is
spiral belfry
Anyway, finished work, driving home
pale sigil
But we have 6700ks with 32gb ram
And come rolls 980s
With SSDs
Blown away how fast oreo is vs nug
pale sigil
holy shit its real
it happened
RVOLT arrested and the rediecting to bulgeria gov was real
pale sigil
Do you know much about Denuvo?
reef patrol
Bulgaria? Since when were they involved. Last I heard it was the chinese groups who did the legwork on Denuvo.
Aaanyway.
pale sigil
No, Revolt has always lead it.
CPY etc are the ones who make their own crack using voskis work
reef patrol
3DM spearheaded it for a long time.
Those are the ones I was thinking of.
Anyhow - I'd never personally buy a Denuvo protected game, since there's no guarantee they'll remove it down the line for retro gaming purposes.
reef patrol
I have Rise, but I didn't pay for it personally. I only use it for benchmarking.
plush summit
nope....not familiar
pale sigil
Im concering adding a WMR Headset to my collection during black friday
solar hinge
wmr?
pale sigil
Windows mixed reality
solar hinge
aren't you like overly happy with your vr headset :p
pale sigil
@plush summit volksi is a well known cracker who cracks denuvo and for a few years been the only one to did it
He oppened up a little
And now denuvo are sueing him and all his devices and servers were taken
plush summit
ouch
pale sigil
It's always been a sport on how fast games are cracked
But when denuvo came out a new game begun
Seeing how fast they could crack denuvo, it was a fun thing to watch
Denuvo betting cracked before the games even released or a few hours after
But now denuvo use a different version which means it's going to take some time to crack, but obviously that's going to be pretty delayed now
ashen spindle
wasnt denuvo also one of these drms that caused performance issues for some people so they had a good reason to remove it even if its bought legally?
pale sigil
The exact same denuvo
That's part of the game
When every game is cracked they compare performance
plush summit
really?
so if i pirate my games they will have a chance of running faster?
mind you thats not going to keep my from buying it first
ashen spindle
usually not, only really know of denuvo beeing shitty, which is why doom and such removed it after a while afaik
plush summit
but if thats the case i will titaly grab cracked versions
pale sigil
It's case by case mostly
plush summit
how do i tell if games use this anticheat?
reef patrol
Denuvo? It's clearly labelled on Steam store pages.
warped nebula
denuvo is not clearly labelled anywhere. sometimes it's labelled whether it's present, never what it does
there's good reason to remove it regardless of performance; it does no good. the only party with anything to gain from it is the vendor of denuvo itself.
pale sigil
Correcto
tall finch
thats DRM in general tho
pale sigil
yes and no
pliant tulip
DRM is worthless
it achieves nothing
and it fucks up the experience for non-pirates
ok, it helps in slowing the pirates down
but it's not rocket science to get around it
pale sigil
Well, it doesn't make them loose money
not enough anyway.
DRM is pointless, really is.
But its the world we live in.
pale sigil
correct
reef patrol
Example from Far Cry Primal.
plush summit
steam is a drm
pale sigil
Correcto
plush summit
not sure what i would do with out the sacings
pale sigil
But the issue is Denvuo beign added as a second drn
plush summit
even though im given a licence to play the games...and not ownership of them
pale sigil
So if steam ever goes down there wouldn't be a huge worry
however Denuvo would still be there
I think people are ok with steam to a certain degree
But when they add other DRMs
plush summit
i like steam
pale sigil
It becomes worse
I dont think steam would ever suddenly shut down but even if they did
they would have to have a backup plan
plush summit
steam: we used to make games, now we make money
lets hope that DRMs dont turn evil
if they do......expect me to turn to piracy
latent mural
I'm ok with steam because it adds value to me as a customer, it's a service at the same time as it is a drm
I have chosen to get the steam version of games instead of drm-free but I wouldn't choose to get a denuvo version instead of a denuvo-free version 🤔 the denuvo version has no appeal to me as a consumer
tall finch
the "Steam version" doesnt inherently have to use Steamworks DRM tho
they could add social features to Denuvo too lol
plush summit
but does it impact performance?
latent mural
denuvo does to some extent, especially noticeable with slow hdds
it's possible to work around the performance hit a bit by means of game design
tall finch
no clue
would imagine it has some impact as Steam uses non-zero resources in the background, the question is does that translate into any measurable FPS difference on modern hardware
probably not, would be my guess
latent mural
typical drm in steam games isn't particularly heavy, denuvo is mostly a problem because it's heavier perf-wise than typical anti-piracy measures 👀 live decryption
plush summit
atleast steam is not apple
spice portal
«steam is a drm» Eh. Steam can be used as DRM, but some games you can buy/download via Steam and run them without Steam - they're not using Steam's DRM.
And @tall finch already pointed this out. Nvm then. :p
pliant tulip
Steam DRM is not real DRM
Valve are actually quite open about it
The Steam DRM wrapper is an important part of Steam platform because it verifies game ownership and ensures that Steamworks features work properly by launching Steam before launching the game.
The Steam DRM wrapper by itself is not is not a anti-piracy solution. The Steam DRM wrapper protects against extremely casual piracy (i.e. copying all game files to another computer) and has some obfuscation, but it is easily removed by a motivated attacker.
how do I quote in discord
zenith mirage
you can do this which kinda counts
By adding ` to either end of a message
Beyond that I have no idea
Or 3 of them for multiline things
My guy```@pliant tulip I usually just use normal English quotation marks: «…»
Yeah, AFAIK, that's the purpose of the "AltGr" key. I was very fond of that when I was in ISO layout land. 😃
Except that it has the "grouping" function for combining keys. 😃
timid chasm
odd they support codes with `'s but not quotes with >
spice portal
@digital cliff It's not like I know even half of the combinations available with Compose Key either. I know the ones I use on a frequent basis, some other than that are logical, and some I have to look up (or just copy/paste from elsewhere…).
But e.g. « as << is fairly logical to me. 😃
timid chasm
wait, how to alt code with tkl
spice portal
I'm in Sweden, yes, but not Swedish. 😃
pliant tulip
ISO = International Organization for Standardization
ANSI = American National Standards Institute
ah
AltGr is a ISO thing though
but yeah, I've done a custom layout for myself
since I'm bilingual, mostly typing in English, but also some Latvian, I can't really be bothered to switch between layouts
so I'm rolling with a modified UK ISO layout
where on AltGr I have all the diacritical marks I need for Latvian
spice portal
@digital cliff I'm natively Danish (so need æøå), lived in Barcelona last year (lots of accent aigus (´)), have a Lithuanian girlfriend (ėū …), and live in Sweden now (äöå).
pliant tulip
that way they don't interfere with each other
spice portal
@digital cliff But my layout is default US, I just have Caps Lock replaced by Compose Key.
pliant tulip
@spice portal yep you're better off doing a custom layour for yourself
spice portal
@pliant tulip Not really. Standard US ANSI layout + Compose Key does everything I need and want.
pliant tulip
I guess it comes down to personal preference
Compose key interferes with my typing speed too much
spice portal
freso@koume ~> setxkbmap -query rules: evdev model: pc105 layout: us options: compose:caps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp
Yeah. I quite enjoyed how easily accessible <>[] became with ANSI keyboard (once I got used to it).
The hardest thing switching, I think, was actually the size of the enter/return key.
pliant tulip
@digital cliff you don't have to unmap any of the existing stuff
you have 2 modifier options and dead key option
one modifier being shift, other being alt gr
actually 3, shift and altgr can be combined too, for another modifier
I have ā on altgr+a, Ā on altgr+shift+a etc
£ on altgr+shift+3, € on altgr +4 etc
I personally cannot stand anything that isn't QWERTY
Capslock is a utility key for me, it's like a macro key that every application universally recognizes
some don't like scroll lock/pause key, etc, some don't like my virtual F13-24 row, etc
caps lock is universally recognized
I never use it for its intended purpose, but it's a fairly important key for me
spice portal
Huh, you're right. https://imgur.com/mRNOELn
I don't know when/how I got that mixed up.
@pliant tulip Compose Key doesn't have to be on Caps Lock key. You could set it to right-Alt or Insert or whatever key you want.
pliant tulip
nobody does that in Latvian
everyone in Latvia uses ,, "
therefore I disregard that map
spice portal
(If your keyboard doesn't have a dedicated Compose Key, which most contemporary keyboards don't.)
pliant tulip
I just don't know what I'd bind it to
that's easy to reach and that I don't use
but yeah, I don't like the compose key, it interferes with my typing speed
haughty condor
Looking forward to getting used to a hhkb layout
timid chasm
What's considered bare min for running 144hz without too much sacrifice? 1070? or will a 1060 manage
timid chasm
Gotta turn stuff down a decent bit?
tall finch
dont neglect your CPU for high refresh rate gaming
pale sigil
But my cousin can pretty much play anything
Fc5 is a masterpiece
When it comes to performance
plush summit
Rx 580? Or gtx 1060
pale sigil
1060 6gb
plush summit
I went rx 580 because of the 8gb
plush summit
?
plush summit
Vram?
timid chasm
580 beats the 1060 in fc5 according to some benchmarks
pale sigil
Which 1060
pale sigil
3/6
timid chasm
6
pale sigil
Interesting
Vram helped there I guess
Still wouldn't go amd for gpus
I've avoided them for years 🤷
plush summit
Loading 512 textures in mc.... thought i needed more vram for that
I was with Nvidia
plush summit
But then they pulled the marketing shit with the gtx 1050 and 1070ti....as well as the gpp
pale sigil
Ye 1070ti made me salty
plush summit
They sre probably doing the same thing with the 11 series cards
If you compare it to the last gen non ti versions...then yes, Performance is 50% faster
timid chasm
I'd love to see AMD come out with some killer gpus just to try and force nvidia to not pull that stuff
plush summit
@timid chasmthat wont happen
timid chasm
A guy can hope can't he?
plush summit
And has always been budget bang for buck company
plush summit
I'm waiting for intell and that new software gpu
pale sigil
Software gpu?
plush summit
Yeah
timid chasm
go on...
plush summit
....let me fetch the ltt vod
This thing
If you can build a card that can bdcome relevant again with a firmeare update......i will be totally shocked and happy
They never got it working....but the fact it was built shows something
i could be completely misinterpreting that vod
pliant tulip
we don't even know if it was meant to be a graphics card
it having video output ports doesn't mean anything
and there's virtually no chance that you could make anything like that competitive in the consumer market
it's essentially a Xeon Phi coprocessor
plush summit
APerfidiousDaneToday at 10:12 AM
A guy can hope can't he?
tall finch
I dont think Intel even makes those kind of things anymore
pliant tulip
they do
it's more or less this
but yeah, it'd be so impractical to make it even remotely competitive in the consumer market as a GPU, that I'm just going to call it impossible
even if you can reduce the overhead, it still wouldn't get on par with a graphics card that'd cost the same
tall finch
I got confused, they discontinued an assload of them like a week ago
thought it was the whole lineup
pliant tulip
while I'd appreciate a 3rd player in the graphics card market, just for the sake of the competition
I don't think Intel is up to it
AMD has lit a fire under their ass in the CPU market
tall finch
it's too hard to build the level of driver support these days for a new player to get in imo
never mind the ip and resources to make something worth buying at the hardware level
plush summit
apple is apple
pliant tulip
your point being?
tall finch
its possible but I dont see why Intel would do it right now
pliant tulip
yeah they won't, they have bigger problems to deal with
but it's not like we've got only 3 big companies in the world that do consumer semiconductors
I'd really love to see a 3rd player in both, consumer GPU and CPU market
plush summit
just gotta hope ....
pliant tulip
I mean, IBM and Oracle could do it if they wanted
they are like really big in the supercomputer scene
if they wanted to do a consumer chip division, they'd do it
like I said, there are enough companies that have both, the resources and the knowledge to do it
plush summit
but they dont
plush summit
Recently?
pliant tulip
Nope
They quit making anything mainstream in 2014
now they are doing just supercomputers/mainframes
fickle ore
didn't IBM design the 7nm node GLOBALFOUNDRIES/AMD will be using to counter intel's node lead
Btw https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ninox-astrum-lightweight-modular-gaming-mouse-computers#/ FUNDED! 😛
spice portal
Congrats. 😃