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Sorryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
so whats special about optical mouse switches?
It looks nice
uhh the switches look nice?
Idk I'm just blabbering
But the mouse buttons and wheel are optical
Don't really see any huge benefit but I'm no mouse guy
im guessing just longer life span?
Honestly I'm so blind when it comes to mice
I literally don't know anything about them except latency
i use a wacom tablet as a mouse even for gaming but i dont play competitive games
I’m so sorry
To hear that TwT
Wait
Can you
Actually use
Liek the pen
For mouse imputs
yes, hover for movement, tap for left click, first button for scroll and second for right click
Neat
Track pads with out dedicated buttons suck for gaming
Tho
Like I used to use a MacBook Air
And
It was awful
it doesnt have touch input, only pen input
Ya and it’s got buttons right
theres a dota pro that plays on a macbook with the touchpad
@spice portal I didn't but that's pretty lit man, I rarely drop in here tbh. I'll keep an eye on it, I own an aurora.
Huh, didn't know that we already have threadripper mATX boards
I wonder if ryzen gen 2 will have 16 cores :bonk:
designing a half-open test-bench
will post pictures when it's done
optical switches.. 90 million click lifespan compared to 10 - 20 million
no debounce, no need to increase debounce latency in fw as switches get older, no double clicks etc
Just a reminder, people should really take advantage of this bundle for PIA https://www.humblebundle.com/software/cybersecurity-software-bundle?hmb_source=navbar&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=tile_index_2
(not a ref link dont worry)
Really digging my new OnePlus 6 
Gay that

Gotta have my 80s cyberpunk neon. And failing that, this. Hard to find 8K wallpapers in a pinch.
Flight Lite. Tried Lines, but it was too hard to read icons with just outlines..

Nice!
The Panel has such good colour compared to my Nokia. It's almost too vibrant.
1+ 5 masterrace
Still not 100% on this launcher though. Square home 2. Initially wanted my old Windows Phone tile look, but Square home forced me to have icons everywhere, since they show the wallpaper. Blank space was black. I could do with half the icons rbh.
Buuuut bedtime. This is functioning for now
Mine is a bit of a mess
Not shown in screenshot, the notch at the top. Thought it'd be annoying but I barely notice it
Oh that's nice Tino

you can no longer use amazon pay on humble bundle? @pale sigil
Why would anyone want to try and get any version of Flash working in this day and age? Just let it R.I.P. :NotLikeThis:
Use HTML5 and JavaScript instead if you must do such stuff. At least those are open standards.
Hehe, RJN made a video about the Ninox Astrum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55qkoeqPqxs
This mouse could be amazing and possibly even Top 5 worthy, and that also means it could be the #1 choice for a lot of people out there, especially left-hand...
Get it, if you need a new mouse. It's probably going to be the best one technically 😛
I bet some pro csgo/overwatch player will use it
IE 4.0
Is the Beta shape WMO?
Personally gonna use the Alpha unless I really like the Beta but will be definitely interesting to try them all 😄
I hope it gets funded but I'm lil scared
Boiz.
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damn
TPB is dead though. It's all decentralized (further) on clones though 😄
Oi sonny, you got a loicense for that piracy
Yes
With a face like that, he could be hanged as a pirate
Excuse me, @solar hinge
just messing with you 😃
haha i dont dislike it 😛 no worries about that 😄
Why is this even on my YouTube, both of them
Also how does the first video even have 92m views jesus christ
you need free vbucks
I don't even play Fortniteeee
Comment & Like for Free vBucks !
Damn corsair make you pay for rma shipping
at least you got to that step
my CS rep either didn't understand what I was saying and was just replying with yes over and over again or it was a bot
Oh it took like 3 hours to approve lol
Might need to RMA my RAM
I'm fairly certain it's buggered
So hopefully corsair are nicer to me

I have a rather silly question but how much the anti-ghosting is defined?
There is none. Our matrix design is different so it's not a problem for us @latent mural
seems about right
If you have gamer mice to advise me I am taker. Knowing that I already collect 10 different mice (logitech, razer, steelseries, roccat...). So if you know "the" gamer mouse with a lot of functionality or unusual stuff like wooting; tell me.
@digital cliff I want to say both, but still more the performance
I'm looking at this.
Yeah the Tyon ?
leadr
Okay, great. I'll check it out. Thank you tino
Oh yeah the fact of being able to customize everything and really nice, more than knowing when his fate at the sale
Yeah really get the Ninox Astrum Kass, we need your contribution
I already got it myself 😃
no u
btw did you had any good DKS setting for BDO?
ded gam
u ar
sold my account for 400 quid
Getting a motherboard, RAM and a CPU is cheaper to get in Russia than to get it shipped from Spain
Oh
What game
BDO?
ofc it is
What is that game
russian currency is trash
It indeed is
and black desert online
When I look at the numbers im like
Oh shit calculus again
I mean
A motherboard for 13000
means it's ~~170€
But damn
That's cheaper than even in Spain
An 8086K for 419€
or 31,000
lol
'Hard Drive'
I mean
Not many computer novices would buy an 860
that don't even know what an ssd is
thats why i play games on pc xD
@rugged zenith Well i bought and jailbroken this ps4 for its games
PC MASTER RACE
Fam, dont get me started on that cult shit
i haven't owned a console in many years and is till dont say that shit
ps4 was the first console in many years
🤦
I know you just make me cringe
yep
You're now a special snowflake
Has there been mention of DDR5 out there? Somebody asked me about it but I dont remember reading anything
and I know you nerds keep up with that cough @reef patrol cough
I didn't figure so but thought I should check
@reef patrol Well thats half true
Oh. they're asking about a new build and don't wanna be behind. Fuck that buying DDR5 would bloooooooooow
2020 is the timeframe I've heard for DDR5
Its a shortage of silicon, not "DDR4" per se, and now with Samsing Hynix TMCS( or what ever they are called) getting sued for cartell building prices
Yes...and no.
Samsung, Hynix and other manufacturers are producing less than there's demand for - And there are accusations of cartel. Nothing final though.
Anyhow - Given how little the performance boost is from DDR3 to 4, there hasn't really been much industry push for a faster DDR5 alternative. Especially given how expensive it would be to push out right now.
However, feels like they will have to implement a n ESRAM component soon. Bandwith will be epic with DDR5, but the latency is gonna be insane
Well, hasnt there? Those 3 companies own 90% (?) of the market, Ive got a feeling they can manipulate it as they want. Expensive DDR4 and "the so called no demand" both gives them an economic cash cow without really develope the standard further or aim for a new one. Double pay for tech staying longer than intened aswell as they wont have to develop and build new factories
GN claims DDR5 possible by 2022. Should've just checked them cause tech jesus never lets me down
Most of the time* 😅
Truth
How is it, GDDR4 is built out of DDR3, and GDDR5 from DDR4. So DDR5 and GDDR6 should be arriving "about" the same time
Nanometer is becoming increasingly hard to keep shrinking for one.
Hey all! I tried my luck on reddit but thought I'd ask you guys as well. Recently I made a big mistake, selling my RX580 to get a used Vega 56. Turned out the card was not working and the seller has blocked any means I had to contact him. Anyway, to the point. The card receives power normally (as it seems) but won't display anything which makes me thing the previous owner messed up a BIOS flash. Any one has had a similar issue before? I'm waiting on a friend to borrow me his old GPU so I can try and flash the stock Vega 56 to my card and prey to Gaben it works. Any suggestions are more than welcome, I've been missing my PC the last two weeks and it's really painful. Thanks!
A Bios flash definitely sounds like the way to go.
so you checked all of the voltages?
what makes you think its the bios and not just broken
its definitely worth a shot
I had an rx 480 that had a mining bios flashed on it and wouldnt install drivers
from ebay
@latent mural i mean just disassemble it, get a voltage meter and check if all the common voltages are there
flashed a stock bios and it worked fine til I sold it during the next mining boom lol
there as in on the board
That's a LOT of research and work, nt 😅
not really if you can find schematics online
@nt thanks for the advice! If everything else fails I'll probably end up trying that as well!
@tall finch mining bios? Really? Wow. I just hope the Bios flash will make it work. If not, I'll also try the 1+8 method then if this fails as well I'll probably accept defeat...
this is fantastic
0x42
Mining BIOS tends to be clocked lower, with less power use. It's not about raw horsepower for mining.
Okay, so I've just booted using my friends r9. God, I missed my PC. Just installed drivers and I'm about to power off and install Vega on second PCIE to check if it's being recognized in device manager, then I'll make a bootable USB stick with atiflash and once again prey this all works. I'll be back with updates!
Haiku on the hard drives (instead of power supply) bit from Limitless S01E04
HOW DOES THAT EVEN HAPPEN
source
#NewDesk 
what kinda desk is that, looks cool
I only find 90 degree corner desks when I look around 
It's "just" the Linnmon corner desk board basically. I took a 100cm rectangular table plate, cut it in half and put it on both sides for a bit more width.
But iit's a HUGE step up from sitting at my workshop table, which did not really lend itself to gaming.
This is what I came from. Rectangular.
It wasn't bad, but it left a weird open space on the right that I could use better. 😃
Hehehe. I need the space for reviews and PC hardware. My office is basically part gaming room, part review / workshop space.
Got two full size PC Cases in boxes below the table as shown above. Before that they were stacked in a corner.,
I can clutter any desk, regardless of the size
I had a tiny desk forever and it was so full stuff would fall off constantly
swapped to a massive 8ft by 4ft plywood desk and its still so full I knock stuff off 🙁
what is it @void linden
Any Fallout fans out there?

you can get one here https://astrokeys.studio/product/pip-cap-new-color-collection/
I already ordered one 😄

and what do you mean by weird format @lapis linden
It looks like :ADDR OPCODE ARGS
It just dumps it to the keyboard as far as I can tell
The file is bigger than the ROM on the microcontroller, which is really confusing
that means it's either encrypted or not compiled even
or both
i'll take a look tomorrow
Alrighty
I'll look at the utility
Try and see if it does something else to it
You need the FW DL url?
no not really
i'd rather dump the firmware from memory before it gets uploaded to the board
Sure
Mine is still shipping
same
Oh
If its wooting firmware released (dev firmware) then it seems best to keep it in the dev channel
Links etc
I honestly don't know much about what you're talking about 😂
Just ignore me and carry on
is the firmware opensource?
Doesn't look like it
Noticed its a general discussion sorry xD
You can download most of the tools via dev portal
Oh there's nice comments in the FW flashing code :D
Firmware is also available via the updater tool
There's a seperate updater tool?
Yes
oh so it's basically hackable out of the box
For the dev firmware on the wooting itself
that's cool
So where can we find the updater tool?
i am a security researcher 😄
Looks like it's only Windows :(
The updater is atm ye
i'll do what valve should've done
That's a good point actually
Is there sauce code for that? :P
Best asking questions on the dev channel tbh I can't stress enough how little I know about software
XD
i'll implement analog walking without joystick stuff, lol.
Haha OK
What do you think of this mouse: https://www.swiftpoint.com/product/swiftpoint-z-mouse/?
@lapis linden I think you're looking at the firmware file in this format: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_HEX
Intel HEX is a file format that conveys binary information in ASCII text form. It is commonly used for programming microcontrollers, EPROMs, and other types of programmable logic devices. In a typical application, a compiler or assembler converts a program's source code (such...
Won't be as good as the Astrum, Kass 😄
I don't know too much in real the two are quite different...Then I find that the Astrum is very low-end or at least the design gives a non robust side
I had a Swiftpoint Z and I liked it other than the fact it was so crazy expensive
and I had trouble breaking 4 years of G502 muscle memory
I wound up returning it but it was really cool, just couldnt justify the premium over "normal" mice considering I wound up not using the tilt function at all
What do you mean? You went from a Logitech G502 to SwiftPoint Z and then you went back?
Because I'm currently playing with the G502 and it's really not bad.
Astrum is made with all the highest end components + special attention is given into F/W to reduce latency
It's basically the dream mouse for gaming that require precision
The pictures of the Astrum on the Indiegogo aren't what its' going to look like in final, because the pictures are of a 3D printed model to show the concept
But, if you want the Swiftpoint for the Analog, GL!
No what I mean is that the only interesting point is the fact that it is totally customizable but its sense and equivalent to that of today's steelseries so...
Yep, firmware optimized for lowest latency possible. Even lower than Logitech current offering. He will also expose some other sensor settings on the software that you can adjust
Optical switches + adjustable sensor position + adjustable shell + adjustable side clicks ^^^
I think it's heaven tbh, it's only 79% funded and 21 days left
Don't forget the weight too. It's very light, around 70g for Alpha and below 80g even for the ergo(biggest) shape + side clicks
He used OEM shapes for his 2 previous mice. For this mice, it's completely designed in-house in England and with the indiegogo he gets the tooling needed (40k $), and the factory is like 30min drive from his home, he checks there often. It should NOT have any of the flimsy shell OEM designs usually have
"One of the main goals during the design of the Astrum was a high quality and sturdy feel,"
hehe, we will see I guess
"-Click latency seems to be really great though, it beats the Venator on the bounce test by 10-16ms consistently. I don't know exactly how much faster it is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 10ms faster.
-WAIT WHAT?
The Venator had a pretty nice click latency which shows up on the spreadsheet at 4.5ms slower than the ikari.
Even when I tested it myself I found the clicks latency was what I would consider the "Gold Standard"."
Should be nice AWP mouse 😄
Direct link to the spreadsheet . Negative latencies: I have used the SteelSeries Ikari as the baseline hence it is 0ms. Anything else at 0ms means it
here's the spreadsheet for anyone wondering
Check this crap Tino, it's unacceptable:
Roccat Kone Pure 10ms fw1.19 fw1.20 is 38.7ms
the increasing for debounce latency in newer firmwares is something most manufacturers do, even logitech, because as switch ages the more it will double click so it's a way to prevent noticeable double clicks -> less RMA
Think most companies aside from Logitech just order mouse from chinese factories where chinese workers create the FW anyways
and just brand it
Yep, it's very bad
i want a high quality mouse with a lot of side buttons :p
I just want a mouse with similar button placement to the G502
before mine finally dies lol
I could just buy another G502 but thats boring
i like the shape of my rival 700
yeah its pretty nnice
the oled display is so useless though
Steelseries has better shapes than newer logitech shapes Imo
😄
this is the legendary logitech bj58 - best shape ever
same as g1 pretty much.. So the Alpha is modeled after it
my da2013 has been pretty much the most comfy shape of mouse I've used
using g502 now
You can even turn the ledge on the other side if u want, if ur left handed
😃
Although my left hand is crippled so I'm a righty by nature and necessity
Still, nice mouse. I'd be tempted if I could afford it
hm 👀 I'm thinking I might get thhhhhhe astrum
Do eet
I take it you're associated with this company nagga? Or are you just a mega fan?
Haha, fair enough
I'm usually not too picky about what my mice cost, I use them a lot
Only had two mice in my time on the PC, both deathadders. Branching out might be cool
Although I only got the second because I RMAd the first after it finally died
I can't use mouse like DA/502, Ive got a RSI which get worse the more the mouse weighs. There arent many lightweight mice on the market. Only 2 new companies basically
Ninox Astrum and Finalmouse
I haven't chosen a mouse myself in a while, I've usually asked my mouse man for what I should get 👀 he's watched me play comp for a whhhhile so he knows what I want. I think I've gone mx518 --> g400 --> da2013 --> g502. used da2013 and mx518 for a long time. I used mice before thhhhhose but I didn't really pay attention to what I got then. logitech g3 was terrible, it had so low error speed
haha glad those days are past, nowadays malfuction speed is over 6.5m/s I believe
Isn't the g502 something like 150g weight?
with the weights its up there
hm haven't really looked at it in detail, just measured with my ancient kitchen thhing which shhhhhhhows about 10-20% too little depending on thhe weight it's 120g
I bought it because I wanted a bit of weight for stability in case I need to pixelhunt
in mouse pads high dynamic friction and low static friction is ideal for me
in fps games low weight is basically optimal
depends on the role you're doing 👀 if it's a twitch type thing thhen yea
I guess you can do a more precision role with a lighter mouse if you got the mousepad for it
Yup
still wishing for a mouse with an analog thumbstick
the couple that exist are all digital garbage
the allsop mousepad with raindrops on it is kinda insane but it's hard to get your hands on in eu
Why not just make your own mousepad?
Vegetables, it goes by different name in EU
👀 really
Allsop GigaPad XL
I have it
it's uglier than raindrop but actually a few cm bigger
it's even better I guess
hm it has a diff picture, is it thhe same surface type
allsop tends to have diff surface types on different imaged ones for some reason, at least when I looked at them in thhe US
also about making my own mousepad, I haven't really found any material that has thhe type of friction properties I want in a mousepad
Maybe it's different I dont knoww really
goliathus control and allsop raindrop xl were pretty good
used to use a qck+ but thhhe surface on that died pretty fast, static friction started increasing and killing my pixel hunting ability
I want Artisan FX Hayate Kou XL
but OOS
if u have fat mouse u want a bit faster pad than you would with a low weight mouse. I'm searching for high friction, might aswell get G-SR
I don't really mind going high friction on this g502 as long as it has low static friction 👀
there aren't many mouse pads large enough for the sensitivity I use in games, so I don't generally even use a pad
my desk looks like garbage though now as a result, I need to resurface it
anyone?
24/7 computer on?
or anyone know what's the directory of Termux
on Android
Have you considered the full desk type mats @inner ivy?
If you have the space required to make use of one effectively
I use about 26 x 16 inches, the ones I looked at for also having keyboards on them weren't deep enough
I set my deathadder to 220 dpi and the sensitivity in-game to need about 16 inches to 180
it takes deliberate effort to take my cursor off a persons head
I dunno man, UT takes a lot of vertical aiming
I also need wiggle room for when I recenter because sometimes I'll drift towards the top-right
My wrist is basically useless
it's all arm
though funnily enough, I am a terrible sniper
I used to be super high sensitivity
There's a point where speed > precision in FPS games, depending on the target hitbox and hurtbox of your bullet
then I learned how much better the arm is at precision and went all in on it
It's basically just maths
Thats why low weight > high weight
and optimal sens > low sens
I can move my arm to 180 within a frame
most ppl in arena fps use medium sens, the top ppl, and some of them use linear acceleration
I have played with some scary shooters
his advice was to find the sensitivity you can best play Osu at
and for me that's basically my desk
OSU is played with touch, not mouse 😄
@latent mural yes it is
Converting 2D sens to 3D sens is fun
You can play it with a mouse, you'll just do worse
It's like playing shooters with a controller 😄
Touch = Tablet in my argument 😄
I knew there were some top 10s that use mouse but I didn't know there was a #1
What is osu btw
I haven't kept up though, my Osu knowledge is super out of date
osu! - Rhythm is just a click away! With Ouendan/EBA, Taiko and original gameplay modes, as well as a fully functional level editor.
I care more about the weight balance of the mouse than the weight itself 👀 my arm already weighs a bunch, 50 grams here or there isn't going to do that much to it. I guess the main thing is the level of control vs. how a snap feels, swiping is roughly the same for me on lighter vs. heavier mouse but snapping is a bit better for me on lighter mice
a fun free game about clicking colored circles
it's exactly like playing a sniper in TF2
as long as the weight of the mouse is within a certain threshold for me I don't care very much
If the Sniper was operating a heavy caliber machinegun maybe 😄
I guess the sens you use also factors into high vs. low weight mouse
Somewhat
don't need as precise control for low sens
the whole point of low sens is that you don't need to be as precise
you're literally just making all the targets bigger
he's talking not about what you get by using it, but what you need to use it
The speed disadvantage is honestly overstated
lower sens allowing better precision but needing lower precision by the user is two sides of the same coin
yup
:pingsoc:
Pingish Socialism
Ping for everybody
That's a nice meme idea
Pls no steal
Man, I remember when I started playing shooters
my average ping was 400+
I have no idea how I enjoyed it
hm, I think I'm gonna try a lighter mouse for a bit
got a g100s lying around
I usually like doing about 200 degrees without moving my arm
same
many years ago I swapped sens every week or two trying to find "perfect"
now I've been using the same one for 4 years and I'm better than ever
even if its way too high for some ppl
Honestly, comfort makes a huge difference in performance
Unless you aim with your arm
Some people aim elbow up and some people aim with the whole arm
also the crazy high sens people just use wrists
lol
yeah, but you can intuit that through what's comfortable
probably
I thhhink you develop a bunch of habits anyway that make those things a bit different for you
honestly, things like seating and desk height also make a HUGE difference in comfort
I used to use my mouse so that it points to the left, and my elbow is on the right and I'm kinda leaning over the table
people just don't talk about it as much because it doesn't get plugged into a computer
That's true
atm I aim 50% elbow, like about halfway 👀 I support my forearm against my table and use it as a lever type deal, elbow is a bit too long for me
arming is a bit easier than elbowing for me
I use wrist for precision and arm for longer movements
I used to do about 180cm/360 on my sentinel sens when I played comp
that's also why I hunted for high dynamic friction mousepads and heavier mice
don't need as low sens if you have better control
90 cm to 180 is huge
how do you even turn
do you have one of those L shaped desks and just have the one section entirely mouse space?
hm then I used 200 - 400 - 800 dpi settings on my g400, so when I had to fend off someone between spotting and precision sniping that needed pixel hunting I used 800 dpi, that was pretty normal sens-wise
Or one of those desk that came on the market a few years back, on which the entirety of the desk top was mousepad
what is that, 45cm/360?
yeah, more like that
even tried playing at 40 fov at one point so I could see what I was hunting for better lmao
High FOV 4 lyfe
I usually use somethhing like 103 fov
so far Dusk is the only game I play where I don't max the FOV
I forget the max
it's silly
low fov kinda makes me nauseous 👀
I want 360 fov
Blinky is a proof of concept of enhanced peripheral vision in video games, showcasing different kinds of lens projections in Quake (a mod of Fisheye Quake, u...
I think I could learn that
if games used it
If I had multiple monitors I could probably go up to 360 over 3 monitors
dunno where I'd have room for my mouse though
maybe they'd have to be wall mounted
what about it?
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Check out discord severs
I'm in a few programming ones
Very helpful
do you srsly need to order artisan mousepads from japan 👀 shipping is always so expensive from there
oh looks like they're 50-70 euros in eu anyway, might as well order from japan
which one you getitng?
gonna wait until they release their new lineup next month
but zero, hien and the hayates are looking interesting 👀 something like hien soft
the RM series, says 2018/08 発売予定 https://www.artisan-jp.com/
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that's low budget one, get the fx-series
Can't even read that m8
oh yea it actually says that it's for cost-sensitive users 👀 didn't read too closely
Do any (many) modern devices not use 802.11ac?
IOT
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ninox-astrum-lightweight-modular-gaming-mouse-computers#/ Daily shill of the Ninox Astrum uwu
what makes it so good?
I was listening at the point where they said something along of the lines of a 3360 with custom, fine-tuned firmware ❤
tbh I had just been thinking of getting a low-weight mouse
but at the point where they're worried about firmware latency which is a real issue, you know they know their mice
flexible cable is interesting for me too, I often have an issue where my cable has either too little or too much slack and it springs against stuff or I have to drag it 👀 with a bit more flexible a cable I could give it a bit of slack and use it more comfortably because it wouldn't (hopefully) spring against my keyboard
Im so happy if it gets made, knowing I don't have to worry about double clicks
gimme one of those with more buttons and I'd back it in a heartbeat
What do you mean?
It has the possibility of 4 additional sidebuttons, 2 on left and 2 on right side ;:D
Or is that not enough, do you mean like a MMO mouse with 20+ buttons?
I need 6 buttons plus the usual left/right/middle
I guess I dont NEED that many but thats what I use on my G502
3 on side, 2 on top and the scroll wheel left/right
Is good, just kinda heavy because of the battery
tbh if I was gonna go wireless I'd just get the G903
I look forward to binding the top lean lever to lean left/right so I don't have to use q/e
but the button placement on the G903 is wack
I need to get a Logitech media contact
I just want a G502 that is slightly lighter pretty much
I could just drill mine out but I'm lazy
the shape is also kinda wonky but I'm stockholm syndrome'd at this point and like it
Well, the astrum has also a dpi button below the scrollwheel, I guess you can change the function on the software
+4 side buttons : )
I might back it anyway tbh
Incase you do, I hope you end up liking it. It should be below 80g even in it's fattest configuration
even if I dont like it, wouldnt be the most expensive mistake I've made trying to find a new mouse :)
For me, even 85g is too heavy, I can't game very long. But at around 65-70g I feel nothing wrong with my wrist and can flick very fast
I'm not actually weak, just RSI in the wrist I think
I feel ya
I like lighter mice but I cant find any that have a good sensor AND the right number of buttons/placement of buttons
its like a pick 2: weight, sensor, buttons
I'm accelerating faster than 4m/s during my flicks, it must be pretty hard for my wrist with the g-forces
Ahh, you want the 3360 sensor?
doesnt have to be that, just a "perfect" sensor
I found a couple mice that were light+good buttons but they had trash sensors
not even "technically imperfect but still fine", like actual garbage
I think, if you want a low weight mouse, good buttons and many of them, there's only Ninox Astrum
if you're fine with lower amount of buttons, Final Mouse Ultralight
it's about 67-70g weight, Ultralight I mean
I was really close to buying an Ultralight but the lack of buttons kept me from spending on it
Both using the 3360 sensor
(and they were out of stock when I was gonna buy them too, and by the time they came back in stock I had decided against it)
I see. 😃
I don't think you'll ever find a low weight mouse with top tier sensor, clicks, with that many side buttons I am afraid
Astrum comes closest with 4 side buttons + dpi button you can reconfigure
its just frustrating because they're usually so close
like "if this mouse had one more button in this spot" or "if they just used a good sensor in this mouse, it'd be perfect"
but alas, I'm too picky
I hear ya
Just get the astrum mate and try to live with 5 extra buttons lol
IIRC, the alpha configuration without sidebuttons is 70g or could be even abit below
Best part is, You can swap it in 1 minute lol
I might even swap the sidebuttons in for MMO session, swap em out for FPS session
I've thought about trying to do an ultralight mod on my 502 but I'm lazy
cant shave all that much weight off either unless I really put in work
The logitech construction is just too complex you can't shave that much off, even with swiss cheese mod 😄
Open it and check theres so much unnecessary shit inthere
I liked the ultralight "mod" for the G100s
On the g902? They actually used weight reducing methods on construction
where you just open it up and remove one big ass weight and it drops like 30g
but its not so good of a mouse otherwise lol
I never understood that, companies actually put 10-20g metal piece inside to make it more heavy wtf
well with the G100s its probably borderline too light without it
isnt it around 65g without
I don't think a maouse can be too light because youre already resting an arm on it which weights alot
or atleast thats what I believe
ye
Think we need 17% mor for it to be funded, bst said 600$ a day should get it funded, we have 19 days left 😄
you mouse can definitely be too light, the imprecision in your movements will just go right to the mouse if it's light enough 👀 and you'd need lower sens to use a mouse that light to compensate for it
you lose stability
you can kinda go too far trying to get rid of static friction, you'll lose dynamic friction as well
But you can just compensate with a different surface with high friction
ugh high friction surfaces are terribad
so used to my razer sphex that hard to use anything else
low weight + high friction = gud
I usually have a hard time getting enough dynamic friction if the mouse is really light 🤔
low static & high dynamic friction is the holy grail of gaming
but I guess you can compensate the lightness of a mouse by lowering sens
yea 👀 I was talking in terms of the concept, not absolute values of the coefficients
high static friction is lethal to precision and low dynamic friction is lethal to stability
I tried pixel hunting with a worn-out qck+ for a while and it was horrible, static friction was so high that when I tried to change direction I got a jump
basically shooting at targets so small that you can barely see them. that's why I call it pixel hunting, literally hunting for pixels with a hitscan sniper rifle
I played sentinel for a tribes ascend team
I guess the issue is really: 1) is friction high enough to maintain stability and 2) how much higher static friction is than dynamic friction, is it enough to cause instability in the initial movement
Low weight mice do not have performance affecting static friction on any high friction surface
I like some static friction, it increases stability
small tremor in hand doesn't make the cursor shift 😛
I guess had the dynamic friction been high enough there I wouldn't have had issues pixelhunting 🤔 I think µs=µk would probably be ideal for single pixel level fine control
I am not sure which friction kinetic or static has more to do with natural mouse stopping, or rather the ease of stopping with flickshots
Higher Static friction probably makes stopping easier
What headache? 😛
with stopping snap type shots' mouse movement, dynamic friction will help 👀 static friction isn't really relevant since you're moving already if you're stopping. static friction is relevant when trying to get the mouse moving from still
when starting to move the mouse, the smaller the relative "hill" of static friction µs you need to overcome in order to move it is, the smoother the start will be
Should also apply for stopping if it applies for starting
there's probably threshold at some point when it switches from kinetic to static as it becomes slow enough
static friction is called static because it is applied to object-surface combos that are at rest
Yes, there's a threshold, but it goes both ways
if the mouse is moving the object isn't at rest
Thanks Tino, you studying physics btw?
that depends on the dynamic friction coefficient, not the static one. they can be varying relative values
My logic agrees with you Tino
This is why I'm probably naturally looking for pads with higher friction, since my playstyle revolves around very fast flicks that I need to stop fast
Check Hiko's Setup Tino https://twitter.com/Hiko/status/1017029997213646849?s=19
He's playing with a G305, took off the shell to reduce weight by 7g 😛
Hiko, the CSGO pro you know?
or used to be atleast
😄
when it comes to stopping distance, static friction is basically only relevant for tires where the surface isn't sliding. it would be odd for the static friction "hill" to appear when stopping an object which is sliding
Just funny to see what kind of lengths at people will go. Take shell off, lol
I think I saw someone with a mouse that had a bunch of holes drilled through it
it would come to a stop when kinetic friction (aka sliding friction) uses up its movement
yea, that is actually why cars stop a lot faster when their tires aren't skidding/sliding, the static friction is stronger than the dynamic friction so stopping without skidding (static friction) is better than stopping while skidding (kinetic friction)
I've had a bunch of time to think about these since I do engineer work 👀 though I mostly thought about these in university
hah
I saw someone looking for a teflon mousepad
what would that even be like to use with teflon feet
leave your mouse on the mousepad when you go to work and you'll have to go outside to find it after you come home
hm yeah, there's a point of "good enough" in many things
it depends a lot on how you use it
I saw one quake person get a teflon tape roll and put new tape every day under their mouse when they were playing comp
to maintain the same feel for the mouse every day
purple guy | tino: so static friction doesn't affect stopping?
[18:33] Vegetables: yea, that is actually why cars stop a lot faster when their tires aren't skidding/sliding, the static friction is stronger than the dynamic friction so stopping without skidding (static friction) is better than stopping while skidding (kinetic friction)
What do you mean?
Im' reading this you're saying yes, static friction doesn't affect stopping but you're saying stopping is faster with static friction than kinetic in your next sentence
O.O
But he's arguing 30 mins ago that, there's still static friction on the start of the movement
eventhough is sliding surface
tires are obviously static in their behaviour when rolling
of course 👀 when there isn't sliding, static friction applies
when two surfaces are sliding against each other, kinetic friction applies
when stopping, two surfaces are sliding against each other and when starting the movement, there is no movement until the static friction has been overcome
Conversely, when you're stopping at some point you get close to the treshold where static friction kicks in, no?
after the sliding has stopped, yea. if you're moving at all then you're in kinetic land
this is static friction
Perhaps it's the rebound on fast flicks then, which static friction would help against
Which I am noticing and makes stopping "better" not "faster"
Oh that's an easy fix. Just spit on it. That's what I do to create less friction
yea static friction is a thing if you change speed to the opposite direction
that's also why it's completely horrible if there's too much of it
it kinda nudges the mouse everywhere
Alright thanks .-)
🤔 well polished rounded metal feet for a mouse might be interesting with a cloth pad
Why?
You could try, they cost about 10€
Bloody XL-V7 materiall = metal
from my notes 😛
nice
http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/19305/1/IJFTR 19(3) 151-155.pdf
polyester-nylon mousepad with steel feet confirmed god tier 😏 0,194 µs and 0,193 µk
meanwhile qck+ and CM Storm Spawn with original feet was µs=0,175 and µk=0,125
I'd take the 0,194 0,193 pair all day
I'd ideally want high static, high kinetic surface, where static is bigger than kinetic by atleast 30%
hm 👀 so you like the little nudge
I just checked lol, It stops faster when the static is big, we're talking here split second timings, but still
static friction does not affect surfaces that are sliding against each other
check this vid
This is sliding object, just like a mouse and surface
When the kinetic energy is depleted during deacceleration, if the static friction is high enough, it stops the skidding at earlier point
hm where does he talk about stopping
isn't this just a normal exercise 🤔 I'm not finding the part you mentioned
It is basically just like Tino said, when the kinetic energy can't overcome the static friction, it won't skid (use dynamic then) and stops
So therefore higher static stops it at earlier point
your source does not support what you are saying 👀 this is an exercise about moving a still block
I am now going to walk into a shop and buy strawberries or something
the strawberries all moldy and stuff, I bought little tomatoes and some grapes instead
the seedless grapes and the cherry tomatoes are pretty similar tbh
hopefully not in flavor
actually kinda similar flavor hah
I don't think that's very normal at all
grape is brighter sweet and cherry tomato is milder sweet
usually cherry tomatoes aren't this awesome 👀 it could be because they're grown close by here (like within 10km or something) so they haven't travelled too long
the plum tomatoes are more tomatoey
only raspberries, I think
And cherry keys XD
Cherry Most likely to break after 6 months
I have had a nice experience with Corsair so far
RMA has taken 3 days in total
Processing as of today
My Google-fu is horrible tonight. What's the actuation point of Cherry MX Browns? (Or better, TTC Browns?)
(Also, Roccat Kone XTD Optical allows you to add small weights to it to customise the weights… I just tried to take out my 20g, and it feels so uncontrollable now. :x)
where can you get good pudding caps for cheap?
@spice portal actuation point on MX browns is 2mm down
As for TTC, I have no idea
But I can say TTC blues are decent so browns might be okay too
And by actuation point I meant actuation force. 😅 (I already have TTC Browns, but they're also the only mech. keys I have around, so just wanted to have some kind of comparison for choosing W-Flaretechs whenever they get the survey sent out.)
@dense vapor i got mine on banggood, they were linked here a while ago. Not sure if they are good. I dont have enough experience with high quality keycaps to judge
they seem a bit too tight on the stems though.. so i'm scared of ever removing them..
Yeah that's always a risk with cheap keycaps. You might have wanted to sand them just a tiny bit to make them sit less... tight.
When I removed my cheap keycaps set a few months ago, I lost about ... 30 switches.
original kickstart switches too.. so i'll loose a couple im afraid :/
I suggest not trying to remove them, before you have a switchbox of replacements.
haha, or one by one
@spice portal actuation force is 55cN
it'd be interesting to have kinda stiff linear switches on the wooting 👀 like change the keys like wasd that need more precision in analog use, for stiffer springs
@latent mural Isn't that what the blacks are?
Yes
You want NSFW, Callum? I had to take in a hilarious frankenstein of a laptop today. Top of the line MSI from last generation.
It had... and hold on to your tights.
An i7 59...something CPU (The real expensive ones)
TWO 980M in SLI.
4! 128GB M.2 drives (This was just before NVME)
and a wee bit of 32GB RAM to boot.
Did I mention it comes with a full sized TKL Cherry keyboard? Like actual keycaps and all.
that aint a laptop, its a portable desktop lol
And how did such a magnificent beast die? The idiot dropped coke into the keyboard, which seeped into the laptop. COLA, @pale sigil
That's like 4000 pounds or something out the window.
Good job
At least he was wise enough to buy insurance. So we're quoting them an amount for a new one, because... it's basically dead. Smoke came out of it when I turned it on. So ... yeah... We're building him a tower PC instead with the money.
@halcyon moss thank you!
@reef patrol what model laptop was it specifically??? asking for research purposes lol
Scratched?
I've noticed lately a smudge when using them
And idk it doesn't seem right at all
Looks like circular scratch from cleaning maybe?
I used the oculus cloth
I scratched the heck out of a review mouse before taking photos with a leaf stuck in my microfiber cloth...
Scratches shouldn't cause what happens in game
That's the issue
It's the same both eyes
It's word
Weird
Oh hmm maybe it's not calibration correctly?
I can see the lense lines
Oh I can see those on oculus
And the screen door effect
Totally ruins VR for me
👌
im surprised with corsair
took them 4 hours to accept claim
less than 24 hours to send me a h80i v2
Not bad.
Corsair customer support is great
im onlly gonna go and sell it
lol
Because i had to buy a new cooler due to having no back up
Sold a H60 yesterday. I hate AIOs 😄
@haughty condor whitefox, noice, what switches is iT rocking ?
@reef patrol lol thanks!
Hako trues
Really nice, like MX Clears in movement but not anywhere near as stiff
Might have a 1upkeyboards kit coming
You asked for it. You got it! Today we look at the worst-sounding keyboard switches of all time. Waning: mild swearing up ahead. My keyboard reviews: http://...
Ugh. A tinny noise? Absolutely dreadful! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gwXJsWHupg
Improved capture of the delightful Flying Circus sketch "Woody and Tinny Words" (spelled 'tiny' in the original). Transcript at http://orangecow.org/pythonet...
Apparently you can water cool a gtx 1070 with a h80i. I may end up doing that 🤔
@reef patrol maybe you can help me
What's the name of the wires used to have your gpu in this position
Ah. A Vertical GPU bracket. Wouldn't recommend for an air cooled card.
You either need a case that has one included, or is sold seperately, or you need to grab the one from Coolermaster and cut up the back of your case a bit to fit it.
You can watercool FOUNDER Card design Pascal cards, not special ones redesigned by MSI, ASUS and such. The NZXT G12 AIO adaptor bracket simply won't fit.
Have some what?
Corsair have never made GPU brackets to my knowledge. Cooler Master makes the most popular one, and Cablemod has one coming soon that should be non invasive.
This is the one I use in my H700i case.
https://eu.coolermaster.com/en/case/case-accessories/vertical-graphics-card-holder-kit/
Again.... no?
Oh whaddya know. They have. Same limitations though
It's rather ugly though. NZXT's G12 is a lot more pleasing.
Anyhow. TDLR
Vertical kits are available for a few rare cases, never use with air cooled card. CM makes the best generic one (get the one with cable)
You can cool Pascal cards, but non-founder cards might overheat, since the position of chip and VRM are different, so they don't get enough cooling.
Ye I've read into that
Just curious, still want to do an itx build too but meh I feel like it's going to be years away before I do
Suddenly want a new case idk why
Still waiting for my Lian Li case. Pushed to mid august. Still trying to get bossman to drag it home as a review sample, just to speed things up.
TDLR? Too Didn't Long Read?
Yep. Also used as a synonym for "long story short"
I think you meant TLDR/TL;DR
Eh?
You said TDLR
Followed by the short explanation 😄
This won't be relevant for a while (until the product which I'm about to mention is realsed) but I'm really curious to see someone use a Wooting and a Lexip together. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/665701421/the-most-accurate-and-versatile-gaming-mouse-ever
Is there a way to prevent or remove previews? They can be very obnoxious.
Not sure.
Anyway I was tempted to back this mouse but honestly it seemed terrible. I didn't trust the group making it, very much, either. It seems like overmarketed and gimmick hype riddled. I don't believe that any "pro gamers" will use it. It'll probably exceed my expectation when it's truly available and had some software and support maturity.
Their software looks pretty functional though.
Is that just another z mouse
Haven't heard of the gmouse before. But a gyroscope? That's sound rad xD
Nah the Lexip has a joystick under it and thumbstick on the side
Just doesn't sound as sturdy and reassuring at a good gaming mouse.
Yeah that's sounds valuable but only as a minor improvement to quality of life. The Cad stuff.
I'm gonna look into that Z mouse. Sounds crazy.
The one thing that I'll still be desperate for when I have a Wooting is have the precision and freedom of a joystick or mouse but also have physical snap-back and physical limit. Y'know so that you can be in a flightsim / flying in complex game and feel when you're full turn or back to 0 turn. While you can feel the wooting, the typical human mind and body just can't combine WASD to give as much control as a mouse.
All who are interested in the Z Mouse, maybe this is a good deal.
@edit: Special for all who live in germany (167,90€)
Interesting mouse, but unfortunately to expensive (for just trying out)
Shilling for https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ninox-astrum-lightweight-modular-gaming-mouse-computers#/ as usual ;P
I've been struggling with the Ninox Astrum.
I was considering posting about it after the previous mouse discussion. The Lexip seems very relevant though.
The Astrum I've been anticipating for months. When you first see it, it'll give you many doubts. But I think the execution will be very good. The only reason that I'm not buying it is that I'm not sure that I'll be OK with the shape as it seems quite underdesigned (the underside is missing raised edges and there're no comfort indents anywhere), not uncomfortable though. If I buy at retail I can always return it if I don't like.
Ultimately, it's just another probably good, and quite affordable, mouse. I thought it might be interesting to hear the opinion of the kinda people who like Wooting.
Also he really shoulda just used kickstarter and then indiegogo afterwards if that too would work for him.
The Astrum is only ~88% funded right now, so there might not be a retail. (I'm still on the fence about funding it too. I really can't afford another peripheral now, and my current mouse still works well enough for me.)
He realllly shoulda shown some physical items and a real person in his promotional videos... Honestly I was almost gonna offer to voice over or demo for him after trying his previous mouse but I don't feel profesh' enough.
The Swiftpoint Z mouse appears to have a lot going on... But at least it doesn't seem like an unconvincing gimmick sale (as the Lexip did) by corporates, rather than enthusiasts and innovators (Wooting, Ninox, Swiftpoint). [opinions opinions]
Mhm. I concur.
While I don't know about the Swiftpoint, the Astrum is made for competitive gaming in mind. It'll be lightweight and focus on very low latency. Optical microswitches aswell. Dunno if the swiftpoint uses them aswell. BTW Truzzle, Ninox_Bst said he will add comfort grooves. Also the design he showed us is 3D printed, ofc the real mouse will look a lot better than in these photos he's shown so far
The astrum's shape should be pretty much guaranteed.. It's using some legendary old shapes that were liked very well in the past.. Logitech G1/Diamondback for Alpha.. Beta is I think WMO shape and the ergo shape is like IE 3.0 or close to Deathadder? I forgot, not really interested about the Ergo shapes ^^
It will reach the goal and it sounds like he’s closely working with a selected factory
Probably the same factory he buys his previous mice from (stock model)
And he has experience with selling products over Amazon, he should have something in mind for the logistics of it all
Heck, I think he will ship it straight from China from the factory with epost
When I got my phone screen protector it came with a couple of pippets of some liquid that helps fill air bubbles round the edges of the protector. Anybody know what on earth it is and if I can buy more?
I remember somebody saying before it was some kind of alcohol, which had me wondering if I could just use the isopropyl stuff I have lying around. Only reason I haven't already if they look a bit different. The stuff that came with the phone is thicker and has a strange tint to it
oh
Basically built my current PC on warehouse parts and saved like £100
xD just never buy monitors
I buy them new, just in case theres some defect
Thankfully I've never had any issues
Yeah it's very inconsistent, more often than not you won't find what you want
I always check it before buying anything though. Most of the time you only save a couple of quid, but some savings can be more significant
Re: discussion in #archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards - why would using USB3 instead of 2 cause the fw update to fail? (Ie., what's happening technically.)
Sounds weird. USB3 should be fully backwards compatible, but maybe there's a slight voltage difference or something.
I think it may be that
my woo-thing is here 👌
whooo #archived_i_have_my_wooting_hype oo
do the prices change on prime day for the product itself, or do you not see the lowest price without being prime?

Lol literal bandade
Picking up anything great in the amazon sale guys?
1TB 850 evo
And a 6TB rotating rust drive
Was running out of space for my steam library
Ew seagate
It’s a disk that doesn’t store anything important
Just some films and my steam library
I don’t care if it fails in 4 years or so
As for SSDs I considered it but I've never had a moment were I desperately need an SSD for more games, I only usually play 3 games that are important to me to the point were I want faster loading times.
You don’t know what you’re missing out on
I do
I’ve got a 2TB NVMe boot drive and now another 1 TB ssd for misc stuff
Tbh soon I’ll need a dedicated drive for my node_modules folder
My set up
-250GB SSD with the games I mainly play
-2TB with the rest of the games
-500gb for user files only such as documents
-Small server with 2x2TB that I have daily backups on (I need to expand)
It's more than I'm being sensible
I'll probably buy a 1tb ssd when I have a full time job
But for now I'm a student who does networking and prefers everything being stored over the network 😄
User files drive is just there because fuck it tho, I didn't want to redirect all my user files into the 2TB as that's literally just for games
Wireless chargers are extremely bad for the environment 😧
Because of the amount of lost power?
my setup
Gaming rig:
GTX 1070
32 gigs ram
2 TB NVMe boot drive
1 TB SATA SSD for stuff
2TB rotating rust drive for... stuff
6 TB rotating rust drive for... more stuff
laptop: mid 2016 MacBook pro, i7-4700HQ, radeon m370x graphics, 16 gigs of ram
work issued machine: late 2017 macbook, similary specced
I don't host my servers on my own, they are just rented from soyoustart
Yeah Callum. It'll be pretty terrible with wireless electric card charging takes off
and they are nothing special, just 2 of these https://www.soyoustart.com/en/offers/1801sys011.xml
Lol ofc you decided to link your specs xD
I don't see the appeal of wireless charging
I used to run an external server but I stopped and used my own
I've had a phone that supports it for about a year now, never used that feature
fast charge just beats it
So that's what I mean by storing everything on my network
Wireless charger is just nice
Easier on the battery
why would I charge at 7.5W if I can charge at 18?
Doesn't kill the battery
