#๐โtech
sudden glacier
shadow crystal
genius
fervent plaza
Eh? Where is that?
zenith mirage
It was a post on reddit :p
pale sigil
whats happpened
pale sigil
pale sigil
fervent plaza
fickle ore
Ninox Astrum Colours 3 out of 8 shown
I kinda like the purple damn, reminds me of the epic Razer Diamondback
pale sigil
My friend bought an Xbox Dev kit that the seller rubbed a ups label off
But my friend managed to reveal the address and if showd a location were Sega Europe used to be located
reef patrol
midnight trail
is there anyone that owns both a steelseries & wooters product?
pale sigil
how come
midnight trail
would like to know how you think they compare based on your experience
very fast response btw, almost thought you were a bot right there haha
thinking about buying that sexy wooters keyboard, as I donโt really like my steelseries keyboard atm
and was looking for something fresh on the market
midnight trail
switches that require you to really push your finger in order for them to work
& rgb of course
couldnt go without
midnight trail
Iโm new to mechanical keyboards, what exactly does linear & non-linear mean?
midnight trail
what do you exactly mean with โbumpโ?
pale sigil
Wise choice ๐ any questions we are here.
fickle ore
Did 3klikphillip test the input speed at all? And I wonder if he used the beta fw for it
fickle ore
3kliksphilip video he released about wooting
fickle ore
it's btw 2.45ms for wooting one itself and 1.75ms for his computer if you read the twitter link
timid chasm
Anybody have personal experience or an opinion for ASRock mobos?
pale sigil
Me
I need to go sleep
One of the best motherboards I've ever used
Tho I used it for amd
tall finch
ASRock generally makes good boards but look at reviews for whatever specific board you're buying obviously
still jewel
My personal experience with a handful was positive, they're solid boards. Not played around with any new ones but that's because I didn't have to, so let that be a testament to their durability
timid chasm
Currently using their B350 ITX board but ordered a Pro4 and the reviews were mostly decent but wanted to hear if anybody had personal experience with them
fervent plaza
@fickle ore as far as I know he didn't
reef patrol
Last board for my 7700K was ASRock. No complaints there.
solar hinge
is ASRock that used to be part of Asus
reef patrol
Yep. Way back in like early 2000s
solar hinge
do you know why they actually split up?
reef patrol
Their boards are pretty solid in general. I use an ASRock X370 board to benchmark CPU coolers with. Pretty big overclock on a Ryzen 1500X just to generate as much heat as possible.
I need this in my life. So cute!
pale sigil
wasn't that on ks
reef patrol
Wouldn't surprise me.
pale sigil
i miss luke
reef patrol
Yeah...
vast shale
It was @pale sigil
Anki has been doing great work in such stuff for pretty long. The Anki overdrive was also good.
reef patrol
This is the life 
timid chasm
Notice any input latency with those controllers @reef patrol
reef patrol
reef patrol
There's bound to be some.
Three obvious factors.
- Using software emulation
- HDMI instead of CRT
- Bluetooth connections add a bit as well.
I can't feel it, but I know people mention it in more competitive areas.
solar hinge
- user has brain delay
reef patrol
timid chasm
Competitive won't be an issue for me if I ever get around to doing mine but so long as it's not noticeable to the avg person. I'll have to consider one of those controllers
solar hinge
several people
reef patrol
I suggest going for the larger SNES style ones. The NES sized ones aren't quite as well built, and the joysticks are a bit meh.
midnight trail
any of you guys getting mouse problems?
(laggy mouse, or not working at all for like half a second)
reef patrol
Not to my knowledge.
midnight trail
Iโm getting an i7 8700k and a new motherboard somewhere next week (i dont know why it would be cpu related, currently have an i3 6700), and I hope itโll be fixed. It mostly occured in R6S and has come to a point where it actually doesnโt even work anymore so I might have to buy a new mouse.
Works alright in other games though.
carmine valley
There hasn't been a breach though
reef patrol
Mistakes like this shouldn't happen - Least of all after more than a handful of similar cases over recent years.
reef patrol
Lastpass, Flem ๐
pale sigil
I use LastPass rando gen
reef patrol
Then use one of the locally stored ones ๐
pale sigil
KeepPass
reef patrol
Never heard of it.
pale sigil
Meh
I wrote a research paper on both of them
For security
KeePass is popular mansen lol
It's just not the same as lastpass
They focus on local storage
reef patrol
I know of the concept - Just not Kee ๐
reef patrol
I only use Lastpass for anything non-critical.passwords. Forums, Websites and such. Banking, Social Security and such all use unique and handcrafted passwords - and more importantly 2 factor.
pale sigil
Doesn't really matter
Same situation would happen if you were breached locally
You can't access the data
Regardless of breach or not
@reef patrol i... May use lastpass for 2fa too lol
My bank uses multiple passwords anyway so you can't store it
reef patrol
Biggest issue with Lastpass imo, is that on mobile it always asks for the password.
pale sigil
Anything I don't feel safe having stored I just won't
That's not an issue lmfao
That's security
Otherwise your shit would be unencrypted all the time
I mens
Unencrypted
reef patrol
I'd like the option not to have to do it. ๐
Especially since it's an option on Desktop ๐
pale sigil
That's beyond dangerous and they wouldn't risk that for anyone lmao
Yes you are right
Actually
pale sigil
I just use Fingerprint
Easy life
@digital cliff lastpass has just become so crucial in my everyday life
And the fact I can access it anywhere is even better
Even if LP Is breached the data gained is useless
It's why you can't forget password like mega
KeePass has had more vunrabilties actually
Well no becsuee if your system was compromised for some reason
Then you would have been screwed
But there's no such thing as no risk these days
So whatever you use works then good
Aye
Deffo
Took me years tbh
To use lastpass
solar hinge
you can make keepass cloud as well btw
just put the "database" on onedrive
(literally the only thing on my onedrive i guess :D)
dapper canyon
I do that too
It really helps since I have a randomly generated password on every site
speaking of which, seems like I have to get one for Twitter
solar hinge
i have my own passowrd
they range from simple 8 characters, to massive ones with special characters and such ๐
sudden glacier
Qu1nn#1!
solar hinge
hmm, not a bad one actually ๐
Q|_|!||||#1foreverBuoy!
hmm the \ were removed
||||
so | \ | | \ |
but no spaces ๐
sudden glacier
N0On3W1LlGu355Th1S0nE
carmine valley
I use hunter2
solar hinge
ooh
dapper canyon
Ah, I see you're a man of culture too
solar hinge
why do you say so ๐
timid chasm
(posted in the wrong channel ๐ ) Wow. Ryzen is a beast at streaming while gaming. I knew it was good at multi-tasking but damn.
reef patrol
๐
timid chasm
My old Xeon wouldn't even do 1080/60 via el gato but this 1700x handles it while gaming in bf1. Veerrry surprised.
pale sigil
Ye I noticed this especially when I was using an i5
But when I got my 7700k it was a lot better
From what my friend has shown me the extra cores help a lot
Ryzen is great in that area
And cheap if wanting to make a stream machine
timid chasm
From what I've seen the 7700k doesn't even keep up with the 1700 when doing both which honestly surprised the shit out of me.
timid chasm
It was a lateral move mostly in terms of gaming from a 4690k@4.5 but overall I'm pretty happy.
Ah you used nvenc instead of x264?
timid chasm
I do miss the overclocking range though, haha
pale sigil
5ghz atm
Though I'm thinking of loeering it
Lowering
Due to summer heat
And my room gets around 28-30c
I only have a h80i
timid chasm
Was able to bump the 4690k up 1Ghz without touching voltage but I can only get 300 Mhz here lol
30c?? jesus
timid chasm
Our whole house stays 20-21C except winter when my fingers get cold
pale sigil
But during hardcore temps like a few weeks ago
It was up to 30
I've had a few blue screens becsuse I always have my fans on 5% and when booting up a game I completely forget! Lmfao
reef patrol
As great as Ryzen is, I'm moving over to Intel again. My 1700 just isn't being used to its potential. I'd rather have better FPS in games ๐
So time to pass it on.
pale sigil
@reef patrol i never thought I'd hear you say that
But it's the reason I'm staying with intel, raw performance.
Ryzen has more cores ye
reef patrol
I got the ryzen to help a colleague with rendering, but it was never relevant.
pale sigil
And wayy better in some scenarios
Tbh though there are still games when amd is wayy less performance than intel
Idk why
Probably becasue it's not optimized to use all cores
Or something
reef patrol
The 700-1200mhz core difference mostly.
pale sigil
Ah
reef patrol
The first generation of Ryzens will only go as high as 3.8 ish, and 4-4.1ghz if overclocked, depending on your luck. Second gen is a tiny bit easier to get to 4.2-4.3
Intels start at 4.7ghz and can OC to 5.2 in a few cases.
And most games are still mainly single or "few cores" designed. Typically a main thread on a core, and some offloaded stuff where possible on 3-4 others.
timid chasm
Yeah, I've noticed intels OC much easier than most AMD overall
pale sigil
After 5ghz is when you need to worry about voltages etc
I really need a better psu
I've been using the same psu for like 4 uesrsn
reef patrol
I'd say they are equally easy to OC in terms of finding the right voltages et cetera. But Intel just clocks higher in general.
pale sigil
Years
timid chasm
But they don't take that OC from the FX 8x series ๐
pale sigil
Way more than 4 lmfao
timid chasm
Granted the IPC is still shit
I think the FX 8x series hits 8-8.5 for the extreme OCers
timid chasm
I remember making the move from an FX 6300 to a 4690k 
reef patrol
3570K to a 7600K to a 7700K to a Ryzen 1700 in the course of... 4 months ๐
pale sigil
I can't remember
6850 to 270x to 970 to 1070
Before that I honestly can't remember again
I miss that 6850 
timid chasm
I thought about trying to get an 8600k but settled on the 1700x since I got it, a mobo, and a prism cooler for 275
before my 6300 was a Phenom 9600 ๐
Still have the phenom, it's mobo, and ram haha
timid chasm
Ugh, windows activation woes. Kill me.
pale sigil
What
timid chasm
I assume their servers are being turds since it's digital activation and should be tied to my account
reef patrol
One can only hope.
And yeah - Windows keys are either tied to your motherboard's serial number (and some other data from it) or your Microsoft account, if you use those in Windows.
Usually if a reinstall can't find the key, you can just click "troubleshoot" in the activation menu and it finds it anyway.
timid chasm
yeah troubleshoot gives no useful info so im guessing its down for now
pale sigil
Not tied to your account unless you first did an install and logged into your account
I found it being linked to your account absolute cancer
timid chasm
It's bene tied to my acc tin the past
pale sigil
I just skip key and let it auto do it's shit
Unless I change motherboard then I just enter the key
I have quite a few windows 10 keys In general so I'm not worried haha
pale sigil
getting somewhat excited looking into keyboard pcbs lol
sudden glacier
groups projects
reef patrol
8700K bought. Now I gotta off load nah Ryzen
reef patrol
pale sigil
@digital cliff damn it my friend could have uses it
pale sigil
People like my friend are still using Intel duos with ancient gpus
You'd be surprised
timid chasm
what one and how much ๐
zenith mirage
How much?
reef patrol
zenith mirage
reef patrol
Honestly I'll probably try to sell it to a watercooling user, since I'd get stuck with the monoblock otherwise ๐
pale sigil
ugh there is such a small market for 75% boards
there are plenty of metal cases out there
but i dont like metal cases
and they are expensive
pale sigil
75% is more expensive than i realised 
pale sigil
@digital cliff no
PCBs are just more expensive in general etc
Again no
for example cases for 75%
barely anyone makes them
and they are a high price
ye but i typed that as you sent it 
But ye, its not expensive tho
all stuff excluding keycaps 85
pounds
60% is literally so cheap
normal keycaps work just fine
ye thats true
im considering all options really
or i could be weird
and just not care
xD
and that ye
i was thinking that
printing
latent mural
running low on % space on the C ssd.. should probably reinstall everything i can onto he hdd
nah
makes a bunch of symbolic links
40% free up from 20% for 3 months
latent mural
With a sample size of 1, hibernation with 16GB uses more SSD cycles than shutting down and restarting ๐ค
43% free, but i can still symlink more things \o/
solar hinge
It is
Because it saves your complete state to your ssd
Not just what is in your ram
latent mural
I do load a lot of things after startup though, so it was worth checking
solar hinge
Same for me
But nowadays I just set everything I need to auto start
I feel that sleep mode still fucks up a lot
latent mural
The power quality in this specific place is too broken for sleep
i get bsod every other time
will consider EEC ram in the next build
pale sigil
@fickle ore ooft
latent mural
it was announced on CES, under 1 grand end of year
that article is from CES
crush my hopes for news why dont you
timid chasm
Doesn't OLED suffer from burn-in more than some of the others?
also who needs 4k 144 anytime soon, damn
pale sigil
yes
fickle ore
Yeah I know it's from CES somehow I missed it. Wasn't even aware of this monitor before. Its the 2nd OLED monitor available so it's exciting "news" to me nontheless
reef patrol
OLED sounds nice on paper, but I honestly doubt we'll see it in mainstream use for a while.
fickle ore
I hope your doubts are ungrounded ๐
It has been very very slow adaptation, when will it change?
reef patrol
More smartphones and tables have started to use it, which brings down cost in general. I expect within 3-4 years, we'll see a serious selection, not just a few special monitors.
fickle ore
Yeah hope so. Think I have to buy the first ROG 240hz OLED gaming even if it were close to 1k, promised myself a long. Maybe the first will arrive this or next year? ๐
timid chasm
I just don't think I could bet on an OLED as much as I leave my computer on with static images
fickle ore
can't you turn monitor off when you afk?
tall finch
we'll have to go back to screen savers
fickle ore
I just press button on my monitor, it goes black
easier than setting a screen saver lol
timid chasm
Only once
fickle ore
monitor blank is money well saved ๐
timid chasm
if I were super worried about that my PC wouldn't run nearly 24/7 ๐
I'm saying if I were worried about saving money on my power bill I'd actually shut down my PC often
fickle ore
I don't understand
timid chasm
You said a blank monitor is money saved on the power bill
fickle ore
So why do you leave it on?
timid chasm
because I'm up and down a lot all through the day and night sometimes only for a bit and turning it on and off and waiting is annoying
fickle ore
SSD is like 10 sec boot
timid chasm
which is fine once or twice but it's annoying over and over and over
of course not. That's not even comparable
fickle ore
but whatever ๐
timid chasm
it isn't though because a car starts up instantly and you only use it to travel whereas I use my PC nonstop all day
If it's a time when my schedule is fairly common then yeah I'll turn it off when I'm finished
latent mural
eeeh u know what suspend is right?
timid chasm
suh-spend?
glad scroll
I think he means sleep for the computer, but unsure.
timid chasm
lol, I'm just being a turd
glad scroll
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fickle ore
Any ideas how I could improve performance on my Intel Sandybridge system without fully upgrading to a newer platform? I have I7 2600k at 4.3ghz and ddr3 at 2133/cl10 T1
fickle ore
Yea somehow still rocking Overwatch at 250-300fps lol
sometimes it just drops to like 200 when theres moira and bridgette
And the spectre stuff has hit my processor really hard
timid chasm
the 2600k is still pretty beefy but it's starting to show it's age compared to the new stuff. Main reason I upgraded from a 4690k since a used 4790k was essentially the same price as an upgrade.
glad scroll
pale sigil
sudden glacier
can you still recover it? 
pale sigil
its using homebrew or something
someone got fortnite running from linux
not that i like it
but the protential to run games from linux!
sudden glacier
I rather keep the console than a painful version of Linux 
sudden glacier
Ok then it sounds like a upgrade
pale sigil
i might get one, try it out and sell my IPad
if i can use this instead for my basic needs inlcuding netflix etc
might be worth legit selling my ipad
My IPad is a glorified word/netflix tablet
glad scroll
@pale sigil Wine has long been a thing
pale sigil
Has nothing to do with Wine
glad scroll
Wine runs windows application on UNIX system
pale sigil
Games that run native in Linux is what im saying
I know
I have used wine for years
idk why this comes into the convo
When i said booting games in linux on the switch
glad scroll
I saw "but the protential to run games from linux!" and decided to mention Wine
pale sigil
fair
glad scroll
Wine does cause some loss in perfomance though
so running it natively is more optimal
sudden glacier
Wine never worked for my library 
sudden glacier
only really laggy/buggy like no text rendering
pale sigil
the asking price for a switch is so steep
glad scroll
What's it at atm?
glad scroll
$'s?
pale sigil
pounds
glad scroll
THATS EVEN WORSE!
pale sigil
Exactly
Dock is literally plastic with a HDMI port 
the issue for me is that maybe 1 or 2 games id actually play on the switch
everything else i dont care for at all
glad scroll
Thats just for the base, right? Then there is the games?
pale sigil
Well
i mean
if you want to play switch games ye
But i want a switch to boot linux up
glad scroll
So its not limited to the switch software?
pale sigil
i feel bad for my IPad, literally just in my draw not being used since i finished uni (Mid march)
@glad scroll What do you mean
glad scroll
I meant to make it so that its not limited to only using the switch software and games?
pale sigil
if you're on about the exploit, its done by overloading the joystick port
so its a hardware exploit
hence why you need to buy a switch now`
because they will bring out a new hardware version of the switch to stop it
All switches are exploitable right now, nothing to stop the exploit
reef patrol
Nice.
glad scroll
While BoTW does look tempting, I'll wait for an emulator or something
glad scroll
glad scroll
reef patrol
It's gotiem!
sudden glacier
i have a friend who plays games 24/7 and doesn't know how to replace a graphics card from his motherboard
he's 21 and he's going to ask his unkle to put it in for him
pale sigil
@sudden glacier I mean that isn't that surprising
reef patrol
Mmhmm. I have plenty of customers who game constantly, but can't swap parts and have us do it for them. It's like having a car doesn't mean you can change the oil and tires. You COULD learn how to, but it's easier to pay your way out of it.
pale sigil
Pretty much
reef patrol
We had - No joke - a twenty something CS:GO semi pro come into the store today and ask us to install an SSD for him. Rush job.
sudden glacier
Oh 
quite interesting
I mean, he does know how to open the pc and he can point at the gpu
how can he not know how to replace it
it's the same gpu, just replace what was there
carmine valley
@pale sigil The emulator runs horribly though
I tried it once before, and the lag is terrible. You get used to it but it still crashes a lot and is buggy
pale sigil
@carmine valley runs fine for me
carmine valley
might do now
pale sigil
You probably tried it before the 4k60 patch
carmine valley
12+ for me
carmine valley
yeah, I got it summer 2017
since I wanted to compare the emulator to the real thing
but then again I have a pretty eh PC
timid chasm
Not gonna lie, for a split second I thought @reef patrol had some weird custom clock computer thing going on there.
reef patrol
Hahaha. Yeah the Taichi has the clock gear design down. ๐
timid chasm
Glanced over to my other monitor and was like "Are those gears??"
reef patrol
๐
It's not my favourite design, but it was the best board for overclocking in that price range.
timid chasm
Sometimes you gotta make sacrifices
solar hinge
it looks a bit weird to me though, does it have so little resistors etc on it?
or are they just hidden?
reef patrol
Eh?
solar hinge
my board is literally covered with resistors etc
reef patrol
Yeah a lot of the capacitors and stuff is hidden away where possible. The gaps are mostly for mobo screw mounts. And the VRMs are covered by a heatpiped dual heatsink.
solar hinge
and then for you, where the m.2 slot is, there is nothing
reef patrol
Gotta keep dem M2's cold.
glad scroll
Windows April Update is now ready, its not being pushed to windows update yet, but its cleared windows insider.
pale sigil
ye no chance
glad scroll
pale sigil
<-MS pointing at the back of my head
glad scroll
I just saw it right now
Last I heard was it being delayed
Then I just remembered about it a moment ago
reef patrol
glad scroll
Windows Update will now prevent a PC on AC power from going to sleep if there is an update pending in the last two hours.
latent mural
feels special with his Windows 10 Pro running on the bushiness branch and with Metered network on.
disease free immortality
I don't even have spectre patches \o/
glad scroll
latent mural
so.. If i'm running a 6700k at the stock 4gz turbo and I am 100%ing a single core while running the precise processing equivalent of 210 frames per second,
is anything really worth the upgrade for single core performance?
pale sigil
nope
latent mural
ok then :C
glad scroll
As long as it can produce more frames than your monitor's refresh rate(Measure in Hertz), you're good.
That way you get the most out of the gaming experience.
latent mural
funny for you to say frames as the processing equivalent uses the terminology frames and the monitor can produce more of them than my screen's refresh rate
I am talking audio at very low buffer sizes (pretty much the same problems as huge framerates)
but i guess it's not very low by modern standards, ~4ms
glad scroll
That sounds like the software isn't very well designed if it only maxes out one core
glad scroll
Alright
latent mural
the sofware(s) support probably as many cores as you throw at them. outside of the ones that use hardware licencers i bet
glad scroll
@pale sigil I'm not sure how legit the function is, but Microsoft is atleast attempting to be transparent with their users and implements a function for viewing what is sent to MS
The picture is from HowToGeek, as my update isn't complete.
pale sigil
Probably cos of the latest stuff with fbook
i ahve noticed everything i use change the way they do shit
glad scroll
In a good or bad way?
pale sigil
as in being more open
latent mural
hm.. does faster ram help ridiculously high frame rates?
glad scroll
With games?
latent mural
well I don't generally expect people here to be playing around with audio
reef patrol
Anything above 2400 isn't going to help games, no.
glad scroll
I don't know what workload you're doing so I can't tell if it's going to work for you.
reef patrol
Unless you're on Ryzen, in which case faster RAM = faster CPU.
latent mural
yeah it's a great shame about the ryzen, i hope threadripper 2 together with fast ram can work out on the low latencies/frame times
Someone: the workload is very similar to games at very high frame rates (150 and higher)
reef patrol
It's not a shame at all. It's a huge benefit actually ๐
pale sigil
shame for intel users
latent mural
no, it's a shame that it's not this amazing 16 core monster
pale sigil
Still outperforms ryzen tho 
glad scroll
For games, the only difference the ram makes is that if you've got too slow ram, its bad, but besides that, there is no real benefit. Ram is never really the bottleneck (assuming you have enough ram, like 8 or 16 GB) when it comes to games, its almost always the Graphics Card.
When its not the Graphics Card, its probably the driver.
latent mural
yes, but i do mean at absurd frame rates
that is a bit of an uncharted territory, to some extent
ancient jasper
CPU doesn't really give you much fps gains
It's almost never going to be the bottleneck
pale sigil
depends
reef patrol
Yeah that definitely depends on the game ๐
latent mural
well i guess i cant put this off any longer
downloading latencymon
glad scroll
@pale sigil The Diagnostic Data Viewer doesn't even come with the update, its an app you download from the microsoft store, hahahahahahah
That app is the real death flag ๐ค
If you look at its permission
pale sigil
oh my
glad scroll
They are all "Can do this without alerting you"
Even camera, microphone and position
glad scroll
Everything
pale sigil
and this is from ms?
glad scroll
Every possible permission you can think of.
Yeah
What a way to show off that they are not facebook to the users.
Edit: Found it in english.
ancient jasper
Android P is pretty weird so far
reef patrol
**
You're going to see almost zero difference.
Again... we're talking 1-2FPS difference between 2133 and 3200 in most games.
The most radical example I can think of is Tomb Raider, which gets a solid 22FPS difference from low to high.
For Honor goes from 195 to... 196FPS.
So... you're using an extreme edge case ๐
Again - You're not going to see a radical difference there either.
So... you swapped DDR architecture. That's not even remotely applicable haha ๐
At least compare apples to apples, man. 2133 to 3200.
High speed DDR3 was such a crapshoot of incompatibility and poor chipset architecture. There is a ton of variables there in play.
I remember when TridentZ pushed 3200Mhz DDR3. Such a hilarious niche.
Because it made no practical difference, and finding a motherboard that supported it while the CPU was overclocked was like finding a Starbucks in a jungle.
There's always a niche. I don't deal in niches. ๐
I deal in mainstream - Where niches don't belong.
People demanding hilarious FPS in CS:GO makes my eyes roll hard.
I care, because they complain to me when they can't get 900FPS in their games, because I installed an i7 and a 1080...
Sure... because ONLY getting 400FPS is SUCH a big loss.
I remember a parent and their teen coming in mad as heck that the PC they bought elsewhere did not provide "600 FPS in CS:GO" but only a stable 150 or so.
It took almost twenty minutes to explain to them that the idiot was lying to them, and that 150 was more than they'd ever need.
pale sigil
https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/8/17327302/android-p-update-new-features-changes-video-google-io-2018 most annoying landing pag
*page
reef patrol
I'll stick with my Windows Phone like page, thanks ๐
pale sigil
dead phone
you know
ive never used siri, cortana or google now
kinda seem pointless
tiny tide
Man I thought I would hate google assistant but with my pixel 2 xl just squeezing the phone and getting answers is really nice
haughty condor
I've got a couple of Home Minis scattered around
is kinda handy once you get over the creepy factor
ancient jasper
Yeah, I love the squeeze
tiny tide
Tfw decide to try android p, my mobile game doesn't work now
android why are you like this
ancient jasper
What games? @tiny tide
tiny tide
Uh kingdom hearts union cross doesn't work for me on android p
ancient jasper
Not surprised Square Enix suck
Going to try it now on Android P
Yep, doesn't even open
tiny tide
yeah I wonder if alot of gacha games are like this
ancient jasper
I should probably let someone at Square Enix know
tiny tide
according to reddit it happens on other square mobile games like opera omnia
glad scroll
I don't know if its an old or an already existing function, but instead of a popup message from the taskbar that disappears 5 seconds later, they are all now collected in the message system. (on Windows)
midnight trail
anyone online that's really good with computers?
I have a little problem and my friend that's good with computers is not online
zenith mirage
what's the issue?
midnight trail
my system sound sounds really flat, and its really quiet too
I just got a new motherboard today, and I think that's the reason why because this is the first time it occured
carmine valley
have you tried turning it off and on again?
zenith mirage
Do you have any monitoring tools for fan curves etc?
zenith mirage
Well, the speed that fans will spin at under certain loades
So for example if your PC is under load they'll spin faster
Your fans might just be spinning slowly. Is this idle or under load when it seems quiet?
midnight trail
how does that affect system sound?
zenith mirage
The faster a fan spins, the louder it will be
carmine valley
I think what wanger is getting at is maybe there's a lack of power
zenith mirage
Oh right
carmine valley
oh nvm
zenith mirage
Hard drive sounds?
carmine valley
No
midnight trail
I mean my volume
carmine valley
His system sounds
midnight trail
like
zenith mirage
ooooo
carmine valley
kickedbyconsole, restart your PC first
midnight trail
zenith mirage
i see i see
midnight trail
did that around 10 times
zenith mirage
Right
midnight trail
installed new drivers from realtek
carmine valley
mhm, it's probably your soundcard
midnight trail
it was fine until I got my new motherboard
carmine valley
it's a little thing on your motherboard, since you mentioned you got a new one
I assume it's something to do with the way it's been installed
solar hinge
which brand @carmine valley ?
carmine valley
do you know if you have a sound card built into your motherboard, kickedbyconsole?
@solar hinge I have no idea, I'm not the one with the issue
midnight trail
well I guess otherwise I don't think I could be able to hear anything
solar hinge
which brand of motherboard
midnight trail
gigabyte aorus z370
carmine valley
the RGB one?
midnight trail
yes
carmine valley
Can you try installed drivers for Sound BlasterX 720
The motherboard you bought has a horrible built in sound chip
So if you do have a soundcard, I recommend installing it
midnight trail
?
I don't think its that bad as this motherboard is way better than my old one in general
midnight trail
could you give me a quick explanation of what a sound chip is
and the difference between a chip & sound card
and how can I see if I already have a soundcard, and how do I uninstall it?
carmine valley
a sound chip is just a sound card that's integrated into the motherboard
if you put a soundcard into the motherboard, there should be slot for it like you'd get for other external bits, then it should override the soundchip
midnight trail
wait
is there a difference if I plug my headset into the front thingies or directly into my motherboard
carmine valley
no
solar hinge
sometimes there is
carmine valley
yeah but not really for audio jacks
midnight trail
might as well just try it out
carmine valley
that only applies to USB really
since it can sometimes be powered and unpowered
yeah, do @midnight trail
carmine valley
yeah, I think either
you set up your motherboard wrong, or there's an issue with the sound chip
midnight trail
well one of my friends did it for me, as I don't know much
he installed it correctly last time so..?
he has his own it company
carmine valley
hrm
i'm guessing it's an issue with your sound chip then
you're gonna want to install an external sound card
midnight trail
how?
zenith mirage
They're normally PCI cards, should just slot right into your motherboard
midnight trail
so that basically means I have to sit without normal sound for a few days
zenith mirage
Potentially yes
midnight trail
oh wait he told me he forgot to install some drivers
xd lol
i have the cd so i should be fine
solar hinge
lol, a cd
latent mural
@midnight trail There often/sometimes depending on who you ask is a difference between you plugging on the front or rear panel, the front panel often has minimal or no protection from interference/noise of the other components on the motherboard, the rare panel a lot more often than not does
latent mural
your usual realtek on a current motherboard is miles ahead of what it was a decade ago though
reef patrol
It won't help with those horrible audio wires going through the case though ๐
latent mural
that's why you use the rear panel, like you said
reef patrol
Mhmm.
latent mural
still haven't been arssed to measure the difference between a realtek and a proper dac, only checked the distortion, but audibly I suspect a big deal is a highpass filter set higher or less steeply on a realtek
most realteks, phones and whatnot i tested started distortion at possibly audible levels at around 30% volume slider output
with the maximum output distorting well around -30dB which is way too distorted
all manners of phones being the worst offenders, they had resampling issues too
But can i say "you have to have a external sound card"-no
tiny tide
realistically a dedicated DAC won't give you much of an improvement, it's really just an improvement you're looking for with an amp, be it a lower noise floor, output impedance, or just more power to drive a higher impedance headphone. Tons of snakeoil in the headphone business, people who hear a difference between dacs haven't done a double blind test. (Why I sold my gimby)
as long as you're coming out the back of the pc you won't notice interferance
reef patrol
Mhmm. Mostly about eliminating case interference.
tiny tide
Have you done a double blind? I have and didn't notice the difference in dac quality
reef patrol
Plenty of times.
latent mural
most things have a noise level of less than -96
you can't go lower
they even claim 112 these days
tiny tide
that's not what I'm saying lol, I'm talking about the actual loudness of the headphone in the comparison
latent mural
noise floor is not an issue, besides what would you double blind? just messure that
tiny tide
double blind is the basis to scientific testing in the headphone industry, loudness is a key factor to humans believing something is better
reef patrol
I always test at low volumes. I hate loudness ๐
tiny tide
They're not fucking stupid, they're the best way to determine
latent mural
psychoacoustics mess up everything, so really if you can't measure it, you can't hear it
tiny tide
How else are you gonna test, raw data can only say so much, are you going to tell me that a noise floor like this has a difference?
what amp do you have
do you only have that one power cable
It's probably better to contact whoever you bought it from, unless you did it DIY
then it is probably an issue with a capacitor or something 
do you have a high power lamp next to your amp by chance
lol
Then yeah I've not got much of a clue to be honest
You could try using a multimeter to test voltages across the boards
latent mural
Nil: the noise floor on that is like -110db you can't hear it with anything playing at the same time
tiny tide
it might just be faulty wiring to speaker out
I think you're arguing for my point, is there a misunderstanding
latent mural
no I'm just saying that you should forget the word noise floor :p
tiny tide
Hmm, noise floor on amps is a thing though, I can hear it on my andromedas etc
latent mural
it shouldn't be a thing on headphone amps
tiny tide
on well built amps it isn't, but alot of things by schiit and some chinese companies it is
latent mural
realteks don't have a problem with the noise floor
tiny tide
Audible hissing 
latent mural
either way, harmonic distortion, frequency response, inertia all can be measured
if you start doing blind tests you're going to depend on the volume, content; person; their age; their ear outside;their ear canal; preference
it moves from science into critics
tiny tide
well, it shouldn't depend on volume if you match the volume on both amps and use the same headphone
tiny tide
I'm not talking about sighted A/B testing, I'm talking about using a multimeter along with a sound level meter and an A/B switch
There are obviously flaws in this method, but it is the best and currently closest to the scientific method
tiny tide
doesn't that just blanket everything in audio though
latent mural
you can explain things with it but you will be explaining a completely subjective analysis
and if it's subjective it's not very scientific
tiny tide
audio is subjective 
latent mural
but then what's the point of the ab tests
that's margin of error (among listeners)
if you analyse it without a/b listening you can make some concrete conclusions
that are one way and not the other
this one has more distortion, this one has less dampening around xyz Hz, that is around 2.5khz which maybe less pleasant at volume levels wyz
tiny tide
the point of ab tests is moreso for testing digital algorithms and people who claim to notice the difference in compression methods to be honest, I do agree with you on how margin of error, user preference to a certain sound, and the like
affect results
but there is a point where distortion isn't audible, it is just obvious when it is
latent mural
digital compression algos base their whole philosophy on what the designers choice of what's important from the point of psychoacoustics, i personally prefer the mpeg model over oog vorbis
nil: yes that distortion and the intermodulation it causes isnt audible at around -96dB
tiny tide
I can't really tell the difference between mpeg vs ogg vorbis tbh
latent mural
try lowering the quality factor just a bit it will become obvious
then increase it and you will hear it
tiny tide
I don't think I have music below 320kbps
latent mural
is that mp3?
tiny tide
yes
latent mural
well damn, you absolutely can
it's brickwall low passed at 16khz
and honestly, sounds better than ogg at medium high quality factor :D that is touted as better than mp3, which you could say is closer to the original waveform, but closer to medium it is noticeably smeared
it's just a bit louder really, i think it's mostly that, i mean compared to the same bitrate ogg vorbis, not medium-high
it's deep in the night, just bare with me ;)
latent mural
like source>amp-non_amplified_output_>active speaker?
fickle ore
pc -> o2 desktop amplifier -> active speakers
fickle ore
I know there is no reason to, just cba pulling stereo-headphone everytime I wanna change ๐
this reads on o2 page
Thanks to the RCA output (switched off when headphones are plugged in) you can use it as well to drive some monitor speakers or power amplifier. Even so it is not its original intend, it works very well...
So does that exclude active speakers? :/
latent mural
power amplifier means active speakers too
and monitor speakers means active speakers
fickle ore
Alright hmm, weird
latent mural
just be careful wit the knob
monitor speakers connected to that thing are mostly/almost entirely active
fickle ore
Maybe that's what causes the very loud ongoing hiss. It's like super loud, 120db ๐
Then i fix it by unplugging amp power cord, and there's very loud pop
latent mural
120db is <run away> territory btw
fickle ore
ok perhaps not 120db
latent mural
just that you know
latent mural
90db im sure
anyway
well i'd have to hear it to make a good guess
but the solution is the same
don't
fickle ore
How can I connect my active speakers to my PC then there's only 2 RCA's for the amp :/
latent mural
y splitter
latent mural
well how many headphone/line outs you have?
is this a realtek?
no idea what it was
but anyway, to avoid the problems of a y splitter, get a 3.5mm stereo to stereo rca cable
fickle ore
I have 2 RCA, 1 Headphone out on the Soundcard
fickle ore
I bought the amp for the headphone so I wanna use it with that
active speakers I Iwouldnt mind connecting straight into pc
Y splitter I have
fickle ore
Ye I have that
Connectivity Options (Main)
Headphone:
1 x Amplified 1/4" jack
Speaker Out:
2 x RCA (L / R)
2 x 3.5mm jacks (Rear, C/Sub)
well shit
get a 3.5 to rca
plug it into rear/csub and rerout it as line out i bet you can
fickle ore
rerout?
latent mural
set it to line out instead of rear and c/sub
fickle ore
Thanks, if that work it solve all my problems, I just idk if it's possiible
fickle ore
Active speakers have their own power cord
latent mural
active means the amp is inside already
fickle ore
yea both amp power cord is 2 pronges and speaker power cords (x2) have 2 prongerinioes
latent mural
tino: just because you use a shuko does not mean the device could not be "double insulated" hence not requiring the ground
but you are right for the misunderstanding
fickle ore
Cheers m8
latent mural
naga is the speaker plug big like a pc power cord or flat?
well goodnight then
no ground there
nagga does the bang increase in loudness with time?
fickle ore
What means feedback in this case? i'm pretty audio noob
latent mural
sound goes in>amplifier amplifies sound>louder sound goes out but also
louder sound goes back into amplifer>gets louder
repeat
latent mural
feedback amplification is a popular method of amplification
the output is connected to the input in a fancy way
somwhere along the fancy something goes wrong
fickle ore
Ahh, it's just weird it happens like 3 times a day
latent mural
maybe the component that handles the feedback is faulty
can you not use the amp and see if that helps?
fickle ore
Yepp, i'll try now Tyio, connected the spekaers with y-splitter and 3.5mm goes to my soundcard
I try to see if I I get a sound
latent mural
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative-feedback_amplifier#/media/File:Block_Diagram_for_Feedback.svg
reef patrol
Denmark. Keeping it simple. Only time you see a 3rd grounded leg is from (insert expletive) laptop manufacturers who don't get it.
pale sigil
latent mural
most of europe uses the schucko
pale sigil
@glad scroll pls
reef patrol
Is that what they're called? I thought schucko was the small ones for consoles and such.
latent mural
@reef patrol you can call it the Schutzkontakt
fickle ore
sadly I can't get any sound from the 3.5mm rear or the c/sub ports
latent mural
you sure you cant rerout it?
alternatively, why not use your onboard soundcard for something
using both is possible via software stuff
fickle ore
I dunno how to reroute but nothing in creative software for that
thanks for that suggestiion
fickle ore
Yeah, still not the ideal solution
latent mural
the other way is to get a routing progam
fickle ore
That, or perhaps there exists an amp that has 2 "unamped" RCA outputs?
latent mural
yes, it's your realtek
which i bet is 7.1
+front ports
all can share the same stream
your audio program most of the time can rout to a specific output
and soon you will be able to do tha in windows natively
goodnight
fickle ore
gn! and thanks
outer arch
anyone know anything about android?
I'm trying to make a shortcut that opens chrome in a new tab / a way to make NONE of the android apps open links "nativly"
"natively"
timid chasm
@pale sigil What's that Windows update thing about? Mine has it and won't update and I hate seeing it every time I restart lol
glad scroll
@pale sigil Hmm, what's with the "pls"?
pale sigil
@glad scroll pls
glad scroll
@pale sigil pls
pale sigil
@glad scroll pls
glad scroll
pale sigil
glad scroll
pale sigil
tiny tide
Google Duplex scares me
ancient jasper
It's cool tho
tiny tide
It's cool yeah, but innovation in the name of innovation without considering the morality of it is concerning to me
Especially when one can consider the effect it might have on the elderly and the tools it can give to bad actors
pale sigil
Welp, idk why i never thought of this before
but maybe the sun directly shining onto my radiator and pc in general is causing my temps
sudden glacier
ancient jasper
@tiny tide People can take advantage of the elderly anyway, and as it becomes more commonplace the elderly will die off and be replaced with those more risk averse to these things
pale sigil
the radiator etc are quite cool, entire case is cool etc
i dont get why my temps are like 50-75c
different programs are giving different temps
timid chasm
by 50-75 do you mean 41-69?
timid chasm
That's some weird idle temps
That's what my 1700x has been max over the past day and that's with gaming
pale sigil
I think it's something to do with voltage
I just defaulted everything in bios
And I'm getting 40 idle (bare in mind fans aren't maxed out)
Nope
Still high
timid chasm
sure you got a good spread on thermal paste?
timid chasm
time for LN2
timid chasm
liquid nitrogen
pale sigil
Weirdly the pipes are really cool and so is the radiator
sudden glacier
latent mural
@pale sigil sounds exactly like the heatpipes not working
check your paste and stuff if you're liquid
pale sigil
Ye i am liquid and like I said thermal paste is fine
latent mural
IHS?
reef patrol
Intels getting random spikes is a known thing. Huge drama about it last? year
latent mural
but your loop should handle it
how short are those spikes then
if the loop is cold, it's not cooling, nothing else
reef patrol
Wait... 57C in BIOS? Something's not working for sure.
Best bet is the cooler isn't screwed in properly, so the CPU and cooler doesn't get a proper connection.
haughty condor
what AIO is it?
I've had the pump in NZXT and Corsair ones die like that, same symptoms
if the liquid is cool, touch the block to see if that's also cool. if it's warm it's likely the pump isn't running for whatever reason
reef patrol
They've all got the same pumps anyhow. Viva la patent.
smoky moat
smoky moat
Also released today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve9kWX_KXus
@shadow crystal Don't think I've seen Atlas do a running jump, but there was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c
pale sigil
H80i
harsh terrace
Jorn where's mah dev portal
latent mural
Hello Wooters! My MX Master has finally left me and I'm in the market for a new mouse. I'm really into buying logitech g703 but I wanna hear your suggestions! What are you using your Wootings with?
pale sigil
Corsair Battleship *glaive
ancient jasper
MX Master is still best mouse
pale sigil
From the last discussion on this we all ssid
G502
G403
Corsair Glaive
Razer Nagar (if you like being robbed)
Corsair mmo mouse
And some other company I forgot
@glad scroll @zenith mirage @digital cliff I summon thee
@fickle ore @gentle dragon also
We had a long discussion on mice
gentle dragon
I use the Corsair mouse with a sniper button on the side.
Great for Siege, but it's not as robust as it looks!
ancient jasper
It lowers your DPI whilst holding the button
pale sigil
Oh lmao
ancient jasper
pretty sure anyway
latent mural
pretty useful i'm sure
glad scroll
I have a roccat xtd, which feels good and has some nice software(But a pain to install), its also pretty expensive, so I wouldn't really recommend it.
By pain I mean their site for retrieving software is a huge mess, they have multiple downloads, which makes it extremly confusing, and there is no real "THIS IS THE SOFTWARE". So yeah, i'd try avoid getting roccat stuff in general.