#๐โtech
reef patrol
pale sigil
Wasn't really accidental
They said previously different countries have different cultures etc
sudden glacier
#MaybeSomethingWootilityCouldDo https://youtu.be/FixBO5tN65w
latent mural
juce is a little confusing
maybe will just try portmidi instead
but all i really need now is the data to send to the wooting for changing the rgb
going to later calibrate it with a pair of callipers
already prepared the 88 switch cases
maybe that's what should be done, orderable separately 3d printed, fits-only-on-key calipers
latent mural
at 60 pounds you should be able to find something better
pale sigil
Throw some
latent mural
I'm on a phone, but sure eventually i'll give you one
there's the problem of pretty much anything from a large manufacturer in the price range of 0-15; 15-30; 30-100; 100-200; 200+ is about the same
just some exceptions
you should look at the studio headphones even in that price range and just eq them
check the measurements on a reputable web site
you'll probably be looking for something from superplux
neat oriole
People I know who know about audio describe it as a โfat bass slut with smoothed upper mids and less harsh than an M50Xโ
Or a mini Fostex THX-00
opaque temple
@reef patrol Just subscribed to order that keycap when they release them.
reef patrol
๐
sudden glacier
But can it do this??! https://i.imgur.com/O3cmRKy.gif
opaque temple
Nope i don't think so
sudden glacier
inb4 it's all clear oil inside the keycap with functional joints and moving parts
zenith mirage
link for those keycaps?
neat oriole
it's back
zenith mirage
they look neato
opaque temple
pale sigil
That's one expensive autism spinner
opaque temple
Can't wait to the keys get released and throwing on the wooting two when it comes 
neat oriole
Callum if you want a fat bass slut with smoothed upper mids and less harsh than the M50X the CAL might be worth looking at
wild flower
in the past flaretech switches seemed to be a bit flimsy, they stems could not only move on the vertical axis, but also a little bit horizontally. has that been solved yet?
latent mural
I don't see that being possible to fix without decreasing the clearance between the moving surfaces inside the switch
pale sigil
Not yet, some improvments were made to the stems tho
wild flower
ah okay. would wooting ever use switches from companies like cherry or gateron if those were made with analog support? I think that would feel way better
pale sigil
Not possible.
Flaretech are specirfically made for the Wooting
And someone has a patent on Cherry's
wild flower
ah I see
latent mural
making your own virtual midi port on Windows is hard :c
i guess ill just use some one else's program for that
or i can send osc.... ๐ค
wouldn't have to normalise to 7bit then and use the whole 0xD6 range of data instead of the 0x7f
loud phoenix
You can try emulate midi from arduino if you cannot create virtual midi
latent mural
heh
i could just use loopmidi then like i said :p
what sounds cooler, wootmidity.exe or wootoscity. exe
osc it is then
loud phoenix
Have you seen this solution?
http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/virtualmidi/virtualmidi-sdk.html
p.s. wootmidity is better
solar hinge
the patent on the "old" types of cherry have expired already
so blue, red and another one i think
pale sigil
Not expired.
They were still being processed around the time of Wooting announcement
I dont think its specific to Cherry tho
Ye its cherry
latent mural
@loud phoenix yes i use it all the time but i cant integrate it without violating the license
I had some thought, and I think I'll be going with WootOSCity, this being a control surface as it's better when the whole thing uses human readable messages, not for note data input do to the mess of determining velocity over usb.
let the wooting team use the Wootmidity ยฉ
harsh terrace
Would be cool to have MIDI profile in Wooting
latent mural
Open Spherical Camera API.
harsh terrace
Which essentially turns upper keys row into 5th octave and bottom row into 4th octave
latent mural
shame on you google!
What i want most is the F keys acting like an analogue transport section
and f12 being the mute state for master
all in glorious RGB
latent mural
eventually when everything is done if I recall but opensource wootility is first.. so.. after may?
fervent plaza
sup
fervent plaza
Wooting SpaceX collab
latent mural
just mention RGB one time
harsh terrace
A spinning Esc key for volume control
latent mural
i think Joroen misunderstood the launchpad thing
but hey, we're getting rockets, so that's cool too
harsh terrace
xD
latent mural
I think i've heard him say that they've sent some midi into ableton, so I guess wootipad is soon
fervent plaza
Oh you mean like analog value easy access?
Cause I'm actually working on that right now
Got the analog values with HIDapi, now I just need to think about wrapper functions
latent mural
i got raw data working recently after 1 terrible long attempt and then like 10 minutes of coding after i figured out what hidapi is doing,
well, back to my dayjob
fervent plaza
Would anybody be interested in watching me develop this kinda stuff?
I'm not sure how interesting that is
set up a stream where people can suggest stuff, learn about coding
loud phoenix
I'm interested
zenith mirage
that could be cool, yeah
i mean i know almost nothing about coding but it would still be interesting to watch
zenith mirage
I'll be joining in a mo
glad scroll
Is that github page publicly avaliable? I'm on a mobile net and the connection is kinda crappy, so I wonder if I could read it.
Best of luck with the testing, my net is crappy so it disconnects every now and then, perhaps ill join in another time 
fervent plaza
It will be soon
glad scroll
Awesome!
fervent plaza
Alright that was pretty cool, thanks for watching ๐
zenith mirage
Was a fun watch, thanks for streaming 
keen dock
@worn wedge What type of material did you us in the case?
And what happened to your reddit post? ๐
worn wedge
Neoprene Foam, 1/8th inch thick. It was $12 on Amazon Prime, so free shipping
I actually have a TON left over. So you can probably find something even cheaper.
keen dock
Have to see if something similar is available in one of my local shops
worn wedge
People used shelf lining in some of the guides I've read. $3 at a local crafts store
Also, I need to check if I'm for some reason Reddit wide shadow banned.
Is that visible for you guys? It's my key cap search. I'm still undecided
keen dock
For me the post just says removed
pale sigil
same
keen dock
Seems i can get something called bitumen (asphalt), that might do the job
latent mural
bitumen? good lord what are you doing with that near computers?
extreme water cooling isolation?
keen dock
I like asphalt in all my electronics ๐
latent mural
full immersion water cooling with bitumen isolation ๐ค
worn wedge
Yep. Haha, totally shadowbanned. Guess I'll make a new account later. Thanks for testing.
And haha, they sell asphalt mini panel mix that you can line a case with. But I haven't seen a lot of people go that far
latent mural
you get get bitumen in a can
commonly used for ineffectively fixing anti-corrosion protection of car bottoms
it will be really hard though
What is this for again?
loud phoenix
It is used for vibration isolation in the cars as i know
keen dock
sound dampening ๐
loud phoenix
I've seen like it's used in the sound system for absorbing parasite vibrations from speakers
keen dock
Yeah, this is the guy that did it : https://imgur.com/a/E0jup#otsFaWj
keen dock
He used 3mm plates covering the bottom of the case
Think it might make the keyboard a lot heavier
worn wedge
Yeah, that's the guide that I used as inspiration / ideas for my mod.
Its totally worth it it imo
And yeah, keyboard gained a lot of weight after the mod. I should of measured it, but it makes it feel more expensive :P very hefty
keen dock
@digital cliff How does one get hands on "purpose-manufactured sound-dampening material" ?
loud phoenix
That I was talking about. It's back of the speakers front panel
Should work for keyboard
keen dock
Now my finish is a bit rusty though I was looking at something similar: http://www.biltema.no/no/Bil---MC/Bil-tilbehor/Lyddemper/Lyddempingsplate-2000017199/
Just think one needs to keep the metal side away from the PCB
๐
They also have these bitumen plates: http://www.biltema.no/no/Bil---MC/Bil-tilbehor/Lyddemper/Smeltefolie-bitumen-4-stk-2000021214/
Might try it on my Das first...will not miss it if I mess up
latent mural
was called to do an emergency dictionary attack on a mission-critical xp computer
heh
so what are we aiming to isolate directly? in smart words, as displacement, vibration and sound are to be absorbed well by different materials
๐ค
loud phoenix
bitum for isolating vibrations and foam rubber for absorbing sound
latent mural
yeah
fickle ore
You can dampen keyboard with different material/thickness keycaps
latent mural
so if i look at those links, it's like 3.5cm of a thick layer for vibration and another inch of a thin layer for sound absorption? to be put.. under the keyboard?
if you could just stick a thin layer of rubber and felt inside that would work just as well
fickle ore
Wouldn't an XXXL mousepad work just aswell?
latent mural
I dunno where they aim to put the materials
heh, actually soft mousepads are already that aren't they? a thin layer of rubber with cloth on top
just have to add another thin layer of felt on top
I don't actually know how much space it has inside :x
but i did mean cut up the mouse pad
let me googgle a picture
fickle ore
Tino plz
latent mural
scrolling up
fickle ore
give some some new ideas/modification for Woot1
pale sigil
Welp, i just bought a 4K monitor.
fickle ore
Why no, return it
reef patrol
Who made that silenced Wooting? ๐
Dead serious - I would love to be able to use it as a reference in my review to show off how creative and ingenious enthusiasts can be to get the board they dream of.
@fervent plaza 
reef patrol
Because you're the only Wooting founder online, and you've referenced it on Stream before. The one further up with the dampening pads.
reef patrol
@digital cliff then! * ๐
Both - Both are good.
Do you know who made that Wooting you linked a bit further up ๐
The Imgur gallery is anonymous
pale sigil
Oh
You need silenced?
reddit post
@digital cliff @reef patrol what you needed?
reef patrol
Thanks! Couldn't find it on Reddit.
pale sigil
Thanks! Couldn't find it on Reddit.
i was being nice
you pleb
its called communicating with someone
Also my quoter broke again
link to said monitor btw
reef patrol
4ms
fickle ore
it's 60hz, plenty of time between refreshes to stabilize image within that 4ms
reef patrol
You'll still feel it.
fickle ore
How?!
reef patrol
By... noticing it with your corneas? ๐
fickle ore
I don't disagree with you, it's definitely not a gaming monitor. ๐
opaque temple
But it can game have you seen skyrim in 4k?
fickle ore
Probably very beautiful while standing still and pukeworthy when you start moving ๐
timid chasm
forque!?
opaque temple
4 ms is not noticeable in Skyrim etc. games if yo play competitive yes a lower response time is better and resolution
fickle ore
But seriously when are we getting those sweet 4K OLED monitors at 32-34" 120hz-240h. Been waiting for a looooong time
tiny tide
I think you are grossly overstating the effects of 60hz and response times over 1ms (restated for clarity)
opaque temple
I am waiting for Acer predator x27 for over a year now when it come i get one๐
4k 144hz refresh rate and ips panel
fickle ore
ips RIP
reef patrol
Enjoy needing 3-4 1080TIs to pull that in most games if at all ๐
tiny tide
having monitor tech is nice but getting anything over 4k 60 in tons of games is an issue
fickle ore
Meh, one 1180TI will suffice if they were to release them now.
reef patrol
"IPS" is a broad term covering a lot of different panel types. Some are quite decent for gaming.
No such thing coming anytime soon.
tiny tide
i doubt it, we are currently looking at a 30% increase in turing with the new manufacturing process
fickle ore
All settings at lowest possible, but resolution at 4k
fickle ore
Callum 4ms is good granpa monitor dont worry
reef patrol
It's quite noticeable.
tiny tide
I think you are still overstating how noticeable it really is
reef patrol
My 4K had 4ms and it caused a lot of silhouetting. Nothing gamebreaking but noticeable.
zenith mirage
I have played on a 4ms and 1ms response monitor, and honestly i'll take better picture quality over responsiveness any day
opaque temple
Mansen 2 1080 is doing fine at 4k 60
reef patrol
"4K 144hz"
tiny tide
I think that is moreso the panel and not an inherent fault of 4ms
pale sigil
its just cheaper and better than any 2k monitors int he same price range
No you're just being an elitist
reef patrol
Oh no it definitely is caused by the long latency.
pale sigil
for 2ms vs 4
reef patrol
Of course I'm an elitist. I am a hardware reviewer for pete's sake. ๐
pale sigil
Just like i am with DAC vs no Dac
opaque temple
1180 will proberly be needed fot that 144hz
tiny tide
A hardware reviewer? I worry
fickle ore
might aswell put your mouse at 250hz too. Check if you notice it on desktop lol
pale sigil
@tiny tide yes
tiny tide
Might as well call hardware reviewers advertising specialists instead
pale sigil
he works for soem netherlands place
fickle ore
That's pretty rude
reef patrol
The change from 144hz to 200hz on desktop is actually noticeable. I wouldn't pay for it, but it's not impossible by any means.
tiny tide
rude and the truth are not mutually exclusive
reef patrol
A lot of assumptions being thrown around Nil ๐
tiny tide
Assumptions? I'm just using what you've said today
tiny tide
(and some knowledge of the reviewing industry)
reef patrol
4ms has noticeable silhouetting. This is a pretty basic fact ๐
tiny tide
I still think you are overstating the effects
fickle ore
good facts Nilchaaos
reef patrol
That is subjective ๐
fickle ore
;_;
reef patrol
No. I stated a fact, and you attacked me claiming I called it gamebreaking, which I never did ๐
tiny tide
we do not know the exact panel he used, if he had multiple of the same unit, if the issue could be replicated
no i attacked your inadequate claims
sorry you feel personally attacked
opaque temple
Callum is it a good old CRT monitor?
pale sigil
ooft
reef patrol
Oh I don't - I just find your arguments laughable ๐
pale sigil
lets clam down
pale sigil
@opaque temple sadly not xD
opaque temple
XD
pale sigil
i really want a crt again
last one i had the mother dropped it down the freaking stairs
tiny tide
I enjoyed shocking myself with a CRT once
reef patrol
Just ground the suckers...
opaque temple
Had a 21 inch that weight tho a small family car
tiny tide
It was on a desk not even open lol
fickle ore
CRT was fun always bending the image because it was never straight lol
opaque temple
CRT and a magnet fun for days
pale sigil
im pretty damn sure my 27" is 8ms
fickle ore
4ms = gold in overwatch, 8ms = bronze ๐
pale sigil
mine is like an old gen
tiny tide
Having a 1ms monitor would make me the best gamer in the world with that logic
fickle ore
Yeah it's true best gamers in the world use best monitors. ::)
reef patrol
It definitely helps.
pale sigil
Also im on 1000hz
tiny tide
Need a source on that claim nagga 
opaque temple
Nope they use the sponsor one
reef patrol
Most professional eSports users have really weird setups. A lot of CS:GO players run 800x600 to make pixels as large as possible.
Only a handful of pros use current standards like 1080P
fickle ore
16:9 vs 4:3 or 5:4
pale sigil
@reef patrol that is a really weird true fact
fickle ore
smaller models vs bigger models vs less input lag
pale sigil
@fickle ore
responding to you
is there even a 1ms ips
pretty sure they cost so much
opaque temple
I prefer high resolution and bigish monitor for my games i am not a competitive gamer at all (Don't have CS at all) ๐
reef patrol
They are definitely not cheap.
pale sigil
i enjoy IPS way to much
reef patrol
Same - But I can't be arsed to get an IPS monitor until Microsoft solves HDR once and for al.
tiny tide
I also enjoy a higher quality of image with smooth frame timings
opaque temple
And that is what is important callum what your needs are
fickle ore
unsure, IPS has been pretty slow in past and couldn't get to TN level in pixel response times. Haven't cared lately. Gonna keep using this 24" 144hz TN panel until OLED's but it's hard ๐
reef patrol
At the end of the day it's all about what you enjoy. I remember hating my 4K monitor with a burning rage ๐
reef patrol
And I honestly can't wait to get rid of my 2K IPS monitor either. I want my 144hz back.
pale sigil
but it was so cheap
tiny tide
I think the thing that actually holds me back as a gamer is my internet tbh
100kbps with over 100ms ping
fickle ore
Ping is an issue because developers are too lazy to do region servers like CSGO. Overwatch only have server in amsterdam and france :/
pale sigil
@fickle ore i get like 23-30 on OW
tiny tide
i think the closest region server to me would be like chicago
pale sigil
in the uk anyway
reef patrol
Considering how hard it can be to get good matchmaking in Overwatch as is, I'd hate local...er servers ๐
tiny tide
if there were local servers idk if i would find players at all
pale sigil
the only time i ever considered a 144hz was black desert
fickle ore
idk it's pretty easy to find games for csgo in scandinavia
pale sigil
Because it literally gave a huge advantage
fickle ore
wtf blackdesert
tiny tide
getting 144fps in black desert? I could only get 29 on my 980ti
tiny tide
yeah i think i played in the alpha?
pale sigil
So KR alpha
was a completely different game then
Founder has always been a thing
in all regions
tiny tide
hmm
tiny tide
ye i was playing over 3 years ago
pale sigil
So CBT
tiny tide
probably
pale sigil
found it https://youtu.be/cvoHWClkCKo
pretty sure he did a 60fps somewhere
same situation
pale sigil
Thanks i guess?
glad scroll
So ... they spend time sending a message about sending a message?
latent mural
I wonder how often per second i can send RGB data to the wooting ๐ค
fervent plaza
eyes can't see more than 30 fps anyway
zenith mirage
Even 30's a bit far. I mean all the movies i watch are in 24fps and that's okay by me
sudden glacier
30 fps theory is weird
eyes can clearly notice when it's over 30Hz
or even over 120Hz
zenith mirage
It's the realm of daft console fanboys who cannot stand to admit that a higher framerate makes for a better gameplay experience
fervent plaza
i was only joke, it's actually crazy how short a light blink can be for an eye to register
pale sigil
Just like 1ms vs 4ms is a myth
That there's a difference
A significant one
Yes
Significant
Keyword
latent mural
@sudden glacier people only say it ironically, they don't actually believe it ๐
@fervent plaza I was just thinking if(to what degree) the rgb is sufficiently fast to send VU (the green-red volume bar thing) data. The slowest to be useful would be like 30ms
eyes cant see more than 33.334 fps like u said
sudden glacier
Human my eye can only see 10 fps in-game because of my laptop
fervent plaza
Should be fast enough, the drivers are really fast. As for the MCU it's just a memcpy
prisma comet
what decides whether or not a keyboard can be connected via PS/2 (using an adapter) and what decides whether or not a usb conected keyboard is registered during boot? I've noticed that some keyboards simply dont work if i connect them with an adapter (and yes i did reboot) and also that i can't use all keyboards to navigate through the bios (although im not sure yet whether thats keyboards or motherboard related)
twin sundial
Mans how do you like the idea to build a docking station into the keyboard?
for smartphones
twin sundial
so can be done to in vertical position was
zenith mirage
I have one of them on my keyboard, it's surprisingly handy
twin sundial
I'm talking about too, if you have to make the retractable connector for charging and transferring data, is generally cool=)
fickle ore
I read a research paper that if you never "learn" to look at high fps when you're younger, your eyes might not be able to tell the difference when you're old.. Wondering if that's true lol
Or just genetics
latent mural
or maybe just your photo reaction time drops with age
checked out that wooting silencing mod
fickle ore
Unsure if drops with age if you've learnt it during childhoold, or not as much, that what the research paper was saying
prisma comet
that is not my question
latent mural
You don't really have to use bitumen and in fact if you do, it's a much better idea to split it up as much as you're bothered to while still providing a good mechanical connection to the plastic case
you can also use sand :p
if you're planning to get a wooting 2 anyway
will be far more effective
FAR
For a good compromise between weight and sound dampening go with the densest foam you can find that you can still fully compress with your thumb and index finger (so less thick than a yoga mat)
but i'd like someone to do a sand mod
A good connection to the plastic is a very important part of the dampening
As for the electrical tape, glue some felt instead
And of course, decouple the wooting from your table
latent mural
ok then
solar hinge
Not in 4k
reef patrol
Your GPU doesn't have a new enough DP version then I guess.
latent mural
4k or specifically the 49 and more inches that come with it is uncomfortable anyway, use the custom resolution utility and cut your vertical resolution, it will allow you to increase the rate without any over clocking, in fact its under clocking
(not of all components though, so if you hear buzzing turn it down by a few hz)
latent mural
every real enthusiast should have the custom resolution utility on desktop
pale sigil
@latent mural or just use nvidia 
Also its so fucking weird going from a 22" on my left side to a 27" lol
latent mural
you can control more things to how windows sees your screen than an nvidia/amd custom resolution function
zenith mirage
Pixel density?
zenith mirage
tastey
zenith mirage
On sale or retail?
pale sigil
All sold out instantly
Was a few left on ebuyer
Every now and then ebuyer do insane deals
And they are usually rare
The last one I got was a SanDisk ssd for 19 quid
250gb
zenith mirage
That SSD deal was spicy
pale sigil
@zenith mirage you remember it?
solar hinge
Hey someone is selling a 4k monitor on facebook :p
reef patrol
DP 1.4 is supposed to handle 4K 120hz
reef patrol
4K 60hz ?
reef patrol
pale sigil
@solar hinge if I cut corners
solar hinge
#callumLiesToUs
zenith mirage
not arbitrarily overclocking your monitor 
pale sigil
IT HAS HDR
fickle ore
what's HDR
timid chasm
Hur Dur Resolution
gentle dragon
Installed a new fan in my case today
218 CFM
One problem
It's breathing
Normal?
Like, sine wave speed curve
fickle ore
Did you buy a sentient fan? If so, all is fine, they breathe
gentle dragon
lol
I didn't, but I ended up having to turn all the rest of the fans to blow out of the case
The fans that came with the case do basically nothing in comparison to the new fan, and ---
It smells like burning silicon
omfg
oh, no wait
neighbor's having a fire
lmao
neat oriole
isn't 2K 2042x1080?
pale sigil
NO
neat oriole
then what is 2K
timid chasm
isn't it though?
pale sigil
2560x1440p
zenith mirage
I think it's just below 1440p
neat oriole
cause a "K" technically refers to 1024x540
fickle ore
2K is 1920x1080 ๐
neat oriole
so 4K is actually 4096x2160
zenith mirage
Is 2K just marketing speak? 
pale sigil
TIL
neat oriole
but 4K sounds better than UHD
pale sigil
Now i feel stupid
neat oriole
so every UHD is labeled as 4K
pale sigil
thanks
fickle ore
Cheer up Calium
timid chasm
It's the internet man that's the whole point
pale sigil
xd
neat oriole
it's ok we're all stupid at some point
pale sigil
im not being serious
lol
i know 1440p is 1440p but most people i know just call it 2k
tbh
timid chasm
try being married, you get used to it
reef patrol
2K is just a mock / slang synonym for 1440P.
reef patrol
Because it doesn't fit in with the rest. 4K. 2K. 1K.
fickle ore
1440p is easiest. Everyone on same page ๐
reef patrol
You can blame the TV industry for effing it up repeatedly to the point where people gave up and went "fuck this".
neat oriole
But no one uses "1K" displays
pale sigil
Honestly tho
reef patrol
No they tend to use FullHD, which is another silly TV term.
pale sigil
this monitor is my best buiy in years
it just keeps on giving
i really was blown away with having 1440hz
reef patrol
4K isn't 4K either.
fickle ore
1440hz :OOOO
fickle ore
LOL
pale sigil
reef patrol
Leave britney alone! ๐
neat oriole
Well HD is 1280x720, FHD is 1920x1080, and QHD is 4 of HD, which makes sense.
fickle ore
Wait calium, you have 144hz now on 1440p?
neat oriole
1440hz sounds lit af
pale sigil
@fickle ore Ye... i can up my hz to 144hz for 1440p xD
fickle ore
Nice man.. Can you notice a difference (must question)?
pale sigil
in 4k i can only get to 65 tho
neat oriole
can you imagine the smoothness
fickle ore
or are you a granpa
neat oriole
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
pale sigil
I essentially paid 250 quid for a 4K monitor with HDR that also supports 144hz in QHD and 1080p
Shit now i wanna see how far i can push it in 720p xD
neat oriole
I can see the difference between 60 and 144
144 and 240 less so
but I can tell when it's gone
fickle ore
Bro it aint gone until 16khz
neat oriole
whaddaya mean 16khz
neat oriole
i don't think it's HDR supported
fickle ore
you need to push around 16 000hz, then you can't distinguish monitor from RL iirc ๐
neat oriole
HDR requires 1000cd
pale sigil
@neat oriole I have the option on the monitor and it looks amazingggggg regardless
but ye i had my suspicion
its not full hdr
but it looks so fucking good
neat oriole
Can it even do HDR600 though?
reef patrol
Just 10bit, not actual HDR? ๐
neat oriole
we just don't want you to have some knawledge
so you don't get deceived in the future
neat oriole
you know what i mean
pale sigil
I never knew anything about the hdrish feature
nor about 144hz
And i have a 4K TV (actual 4k)
neat oriole
if someone tries to sell you an HDR10 monitor that has a peak brightness of 600cd you can be like "hell naw that's HDR600"
reef patrol
pale sigil
was the difference between tv refresh rates and monitors
neat oriole
most tvs can't actually do high refresh rate
neat oriole
their version of high refresh rate is basically adding a shit ton of blur
pale sigil
pretty much
neat oriole
if you want high refresh rate TVs wait for NVidia's BFGD
pale sigil
clearmotion is also weirdddddddddddd
reef patrol
Most TVs will only do proper 60hz if you enable game mode or something. So many post processing filters that ruin the footage otherwise. ๐ฆ
pale sigil
One of my friends got a HUGE 4K TV
and used it for her desktop
i cringe hard
i couldn't tell her
neat oriole
well as long as she doesn't play games it's fine
timid chasm
if I don't enable gaming mode on our 4k TV the input lag when using a pc or laptop is pretty intense
reef patrol
I know someone who unironically brought his 55" to a LAN for gaming.
And this was like 6 years ago - With panels of that day.
neat oriole
to be fair bigger screens would give you a advantage in some fps games
timid chasm
I bet they pwned all the noobs
reef patrol
He spent most of it playing WoW by himself...
fickle ore
I hate games that don't have Exclusive Full Screen ๐
fickle ore
I mean, usually good games give the user the option to change between the 3 options but some only include borderless windowed and windowed
So annoying
timid chasm
yeah, and some try to pass borderless windowed as true fullscreen I've seen
timid chasm
I've only ran into it once or twice, I think
didn't affect me but I've seen some complaining on forums about it
timid chasm
I'm an alt-tab whore so I can't do it without getting impatient and annoyed
fickle ore
I don't mind windowed fullscreen but since win8 you can't disable desktop composition which is double buffered -> one frame of extra monitor latency.
pale sigil
Fuck no
fickle ore
The only fix for that is Exclusiv Full Screen
pale sigil
no windowed fullscreen?
i aimt playing
You know, there was a retarded issue in BDO
You could only turn vsync off in fullscreen mode
fickle ore
Well you're getting 1 extra frame of input latency which on 60fps is 16.6ms, if you're not using Exclusive Full Screen on Windows 10
It's not like there is choice like there was in win7
timid chasm
is that an issue? I thought borderless windowed forced vsync
fickle ore
Big issue, I would rather play in borderless windowed too, like I could back in win7 days
and like I said, some games dont have FSE
fickle ore
Moist what? ๐
timid chasm
Man do I hate having friends sometime. My buddy spilled protein shake in his PC and he "cleaned" it and turned it back on and keeps trying to clean bits and pieces and turning it on to see if it works yet
reef patrol
zenith mirage
Nightmare
fickle ore
ROFL
timid chasm
I've told him I don't know how many times he needs to take it all apart, clean it, let it dry, and not turn it on until he's thoroughly cleaned it but noooo
latent mural
he's just in denial about his dead pc
fickle ore
that's too much work ๐
timid chasm
exactly
"I can't find my thermal paste" uhh it's not gonna matter if you kill it man
latent mural
tell him to breathe into a paper bag and stop making wrong decisions
fickle ore
My friend bought coffee lake last year hes not yet installed thermal paste on it
too much work
reef patrol
reef patrol
It disables all of that post processing that puts latency (delay) on the image.
But if you prefer a photoshopped but delayed image by all means ๐
solar hinge
but how does that make it more blurry?
and i only use my TV when i'm in belgium (like now) for multitasking
not actually doing something
reef patrol
The TV is shit. All of that post processing stabilizes the image and smoothes it out by repeating frames.
Which is great for TV - But for something interactive...you want RAW. Which a lot of TVs don't excel that, because they weren't designed for it ๐
solar hinge
this TV doesn't take input from the GPU... only if i connect the VGA cable (in the sense of processing the image)
pale sigil
When you're a cheap bastard who refuses to throw stuff away
solar hinge
you remember that i showed you this with one of my monitors? (it is technically also a TV) if you connect it via DVI, great quality, good quality text etc
but if you connect the HDMI to the PC, it takes all of it's own image processing and it looks like crap
pale sigil
solar hinge
yet can't play pubg in 4k above 50fps at medium
solar hinge
?
solar hinge
ah
solar hinge
what's the problem then?
gentle dragon
Changing your DNS settings to 1.1.1.1 and using 1.0.0.1 as an alternate will improve your internet speed a bit
It mainly affects the ping, and you will definitely feel a difference. Download speed won't change by much.
And that's not even mentioning the security improvement
latent mural
hm.. i could put the sand into neat little bags, so it wouldn't coarse and rough up the surfaces and get everywhere
Hm.. might actually do that mod
would be much harder than scooping up sand though
pale sigil
ye erm, ok, 4k is not fun when just waking up[
timid chasm
So that dude who spilled protein shake in his PC...he has to use his old PC (which has a 660) to play on a 1440p 165hz monitor ๐
RIP his happiness
solar hinge
How did he even drop his protein shake
This is why I have my pc on my desk
And not on the floor
Nor do I have fan holes on the top anymore
timid chasm
I couldn't explain 99% of the things this guy has accomplished to be honest
I found out today there are other times he's spilled things near the tower but he "didn't think anything got in" so he didn't take it apart to look
pale sigil
Probably has the desktop at the side of his desk
its easy to knock a drink over and it spilling through the top fan area
my cousin did it like a tit
its more cmmont han you think...
glad scroll
Or he placed the protein shake on the PC
I have fans on the top, so that could happen to mine aswell, but I don't have any liquid above the PC, never had never will.
gentle dragon
My new fan is rated for 1.52 amps
Motherboard fan connectors are rated for like 1
And I have 4 other fans plus a pump connected to the mbd
Maybe too many fans at once is causing a voltage drop?
latent mural
they could
a voltage drop will happen if your psu cant handle the load and regulate it back
timid chasm
does that involve assembly?
pale sigil
@timid chasm i may have found someone
but do you know anything about combiling
program Ex1
n = 5
for i = 1 to 6
n = n + 1
if n = 3 then
n = 0
end if
next
end
timid chasm
I don't know much about the compiling process. I was thinking what you were doing involved assembly and I was going to light a candle for you because assembly is awful
gentle dragon
@latent mural voltage is fine. I can max the throttle to 5000 rpm with no speed fluctuation
I think it's just the way MSI Mobos handle control of DC/non-PWM fans
gentle dragon
I managed to swap the radiator fan with the new fan, and set the curve to be as quiet as I can get it while still being a good cooling fan
I also named the new fan the Weather Machine
latent mural
@gentle dragon : it can be an audibly/fan speed undetectable voltage drop, but ok
reef patrol
reef patrol
Windows reinstall went smooth for once. Upgraded to an EVO 960 512GB NVME.
timid chasm
1700x, wraith cooler, and mobo worth $275?
reef patrol
Seems very decent, yes.
latent mural
Totally worth it, I've been on r5 1600 for almost a year and so far I love it.
zenith mirage
I second that
reef patrol
I've been enjoying my 1700 immensively since I got it, and the 1500X I use for benchmarking CPU coolers, and my new 2200G are also great ๐
timid chasm
rams just so expensive ๐ข
keen dock
@timid chasm Did it take long for the amazon ordered caps to arrive? See thay are shipped from china and almost have a month delivery date
pale sigil
@keen dock use aliexpress
keen dock
@pale sigil What is the difference, shipped from the same supplier anyways. Hoping Amazon would be better if stuff got lost on the way
pale sigil
Amazon wont do much if its not a Fulfilled by Amazon
keen dock
Are you talking from experience?
pale sigil
When an item is Fulfilled by Amazon they deal with it personally and give you back the funds out of their pcoket
then request money from the supplier
if not Fulfilled by Amazon then they just act as a middle man
timid chasm
I got mine from Aliexpress and it took like 8 days or so?
pale sigil
Depends on the timing.
reef patrol
Neat.
pale sigil
fucking ooft
reef patrol
wat
keen dock
was more expensive on Aliexpress....and I did buy the cheapest post option so I would get low tax total when i got it
pale sigil
LOOOOOOOOL
pale sigil
Woah what madness is this
Apple are actually trying to make new tech for once!
Engadget: Apple's rumored AR headset may pack 8K displays and VR support. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwpNnWqjg
latent mural
Well they did release a 350$ ipad with apple pencil support, i dont' think anyone saw that coming
pale sigil
Eh a lot of people did
They weren't exactly selling a lot of pens
Plus that's the lowest model
latent mural
that is a false statement
the one in the middle for sure...
the 'pencil' is for graphics work
plenty of people bought the ipad with the pencil for graphics 'work', now at 350 it will seriously change the standalone graphics tablet market
I don't see a lot of people expecting apple to ever release anything far far cheaper than the competition
split lark
Swiftpoint Z - a mouse with a gyroscope and more analog inputs.
I'd rather keep my wooting one, then go back to a regular keyboard and have this
(actually, i'd take the mouse, sell it, buy another wooting keyboard and pocket the change ๐ )
glad scroll
8K seems pretty redundant unless there is enough compute power to use it efficiently, but that's just my point of view.
If they do have something that has enough computer power to use it, then it would be great. Though knowing its apple, you would probably have to sell both of your kidneys to be able to afford it.
timid chasm
Nah, still couldn't afford it
timid chasm
That feeling when you decide to wait a day to decide on a purchase and it goes up $20 overnight ๐ฆ
reef patrol
timid chasm
:thinking-i-shouldve-gotten-it-yesterday:
zenith mirage
Hate when that happens
reef patrol
5m. Any longer is outside of standard and will have serious data loss unless you get premium cables.
fickle ore
What do you want to know about DP?
pale sigil
Well I just discovered the pain of 4k and display ports
Had to use my hdmi 2.1 cable
Idk whether I should get dp 1.3 or 1.4
Because I don't want to use hdmi
fickle ore
Does your monitor have a DP port?
And your gpu?
Is your monitor rated for 1.3 or 1.4?
timid chasm
I know Ni No Kuni 2 has frame drops with DP and not DVI which is weird as hell for a game to do but little more ๐
pale sigil
@fickle ore ofc it has a dp port
i said 4k 
also ill link monitor now
doesn't really say much
lol
fickle ore
hehe ๐
timid chasm
What is the pain of 4k and display ports? I thought typical DP support 4k pretty normally
timid chasm
1.3 has been out for a few years so I'd be surprised if your monitor dind't support it
timid chasm
and your other monitors are 4k? cause if not I see no reason for the need of 1.4
pale sigil
No
but apparently using other dp monitors
causes issues
atm im having to use a hdmi 2.1
with my other monitor using dp
timid chasm
causes issues how though? Could be your cables
timid chasm
I've never heard of those DP issues and if that was an actual DP thing it sounds like poor design
reef patrol
Time for some proper Nostalgia 
Got myself a SNES case for my Raspberry PI for maximum enjoyment. Controller is en route.
spiral belfry
@pale sigil finally got my cloud sorted, getting my friend to try hack it now to make sure it is secure XD
reef patrol
Eh?
reef patrol
Again. Wut
pale sigil
dp 1.3
reef patrol
WHAT IS THE OBJECT THAT COSTS TWELVE QUID ONWARD YOU TOSSER ๐
spiral belfry
whats dp? XD
reef patrol
(โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป)
timid chasm
I think we all know what DP is...really
Also that Kintaro case is sweet. I got one but have yet to get a pi lol
reef patrol
A cable, An adaptor, a cherry flavoured USB pen drive? What on earth are you referring to, Callum ๐
reef patrol
Sure... maybe... if not for the fact that there is no such thing as a version specific DP cable.
reef patrol
No.
A DP cable is a DP cable. Same pinout on all of them. Only difference is shielding.
spiral belfry
@reef patrol that and I have soo many words that use dp DP Dp dP, sooo XD
pale sigil
Dude
reef patrol
Despite what you may read, there is no such thing as a DisplayPort 1.1 cable and DisplayPort 1.2 cable. A standard DisplayPort cable, including the so-call DisplayPort 1.1 cables, will work for any DisplayPort configuration including the new capabilities enabled by DisplayPort 1.2, including 4K and multi-stream capabilities. All standard DisplayPort cables support RBR, HBR (High Bit Rate), and HBR2 (High Bit Rate 2), which can support 4K at 60Hz, or up to four 1080p displays using multi-stream.
reef patrol
Callum getting hoodwinked hard by manufacturers.
pale sigil
Sooooooooo
timid chasm
so get a 1.3 port and tape it to your monitor
reef patrol
Again... zero difference. Same number of wires and everything. The only difference is literally added shielding. You can pick literally any cable under 5m and expect a 4K60FPS signal to go through ๐
pale sigil
Version 1.2 - TOP Series
timid chasm
my DP cable ran me $8 and was 2m
pale sigil
version 1.1
reef patrol
reef patrol
No.
reef patrol
I can't believe you're having such a hard time understanding such a simple concept ๐
pale sigil
Dude
timid chasm
they'd never say something to sell an item
pale sigil
they specified the version
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O8J2locx5o
I give up.
pale sigil
ye mansen quoted it
timid chasm
so then the specifying of version matters how
timid chasm
Just a thing sellers do so they don't have to know every little detail
reef patrol
The only explanation I can give is trying to upsell their product, or branding them like that to specify which version they have been tested with.
pale sigil
would i be stupid spending ยฃ8.49
@timid chasm check dis
i also need a usb 3 cable
timid chasm
get it, boom, mission accomplished!
zenith mirage
Bad luck
errant bloom
timid chasm
reef patrol
timid chasm
Probably not
but in good news, the protein shake desktop lives
never seen a gpu so disgusting though ๐คข
reef patrol
Not a fan.
pale sigil
i agree tbh
timid chasm
I think I saw Barnacules talk about that or something similar
pretty sure I'd hate it
solar hinge
@zenith mirage
wangerdanger - Yesterday at 10:54 PM
Watch it change nothing
Sadly :'(
in the past it did do something, if they get slapped with a huge fine, it wouldn't be the first time ๐
zenith mirage
Well yeah, but you have to think about how much money they made doing this vs how much they'll get fined. I hope the amount is significant enough that they stop, but i have my doubts
solar hinge
for the EU, (if it was them giving the fine)
it is up to 10% of their total revenue
for all the years they can proof that the abuse of dominant position was going on / collusion
the highest fine every given out by the EU was to Intel (and they are currently appealing it)
zenith mirage
Let's hope they hit them as hard as possible
And lets also hope I don't have to sell a kidney to get more RAM in future
latent mural
ram is not truly that expensive untill the download more ram site asks for bitcoins
reef patrol
reef patrol
Oh my - Bit coin has certainly taken off. Apparently two coins are worth 15.212,69โฌ
At least according to this poorly designed phishing mail I just received
sudden glacier
tbh, that's probably accurate 
and way less than it used to be when it was on the news
timid chasm
Only PS4 and XBO release so far for RDR2 on Oct 26th. Sadface
pale sigil
Ye no @reef patrol this cable goes crazy with 4k