Just look at this
#🔌│tech
crude cipher
Also you don’t need 32gb for gaming, even 8gb is fine.
Post title: High-end gaming/synthesis build plan
OP notes on RAM: If this was a pure gaming build, this would be overkill. But EastWest Hollywood Orchestra recommends at least 16GB.
reef patrol
😄
tiny tide
@crude cipher I recommend at least 16gb of ram in any build these days other than cheap 400 dollar meme builds
crude cipher
Same, I won't build a PC with less than 16
This machine has 32GB and I use it
12GB in use, living the swap free life
tiny tide
this laptop im using while at college only has 1x16gb stick, will probably upgrading to 32gb myself dual channel
it's too bad that 16gb ddr4 2400mhz sodimm is so damned expensive
tiny tide
yeah man like 150 bucks to upgrade to 32gb
crude cipher
RAM, SSDs, GPUs...
tiny tide
16gb is enough for now I suppose
crude cipher
Only thing that has good pricing is CPUs
tiny tide
i7 7700hq, 1050ti, 16gb ram is decent eh
only thing that NEEDS replacing is this old af 5400rpm hdd
crude cipher
6820HQ, M1000M, 32GB, 512GB 850 Pro
You'll have a better rig overall once you throw out that rusty rust
steel urchin
I went with a pentium g4560 and a gtx 1050 with 16 gb ram for myself
reef patrol
Definitely not bad for an entry level PC, though having a 1050 on my laptop, I definitely feel like a 1060 is the bare minimum for me. 😅
steel urchin
I am going up to ryzen next with a 1070 for streaming
reef patrol
😃
crude cipher
@reef patrol have you benched the 1070 @ 3440x1440?
errant bloom
@crude cipher in most games it works well, you will be at around 60 fps with optimised settings in pubg
crude cipher
@errant bloom because PUBG is unoptimized?
errant bloom
no, with settings set to most practical is maybe another way to put it
so you get 60 fps out of it now if you lower all setting, but render distance to lowest
and force multithreading in addition to some settings in the nvidia control panel
went from 30 to 60 fps
reef patrol
Can't say that I have - I don't think anyone on the crew has a widescreen monitor atm.
crude cipher
@errant bloom right but so like how does that compare to other games at the same res?
@reef patrol ok
errant bloom
if you are looking for 100 fps you will need to upgrade to a better card, but with little to no tweaking you can run most new games at atleast 60 fps without turning too many of the settings down
reef patrol
What card are we even talking about?
errant bloom
the 1070 at 3440x1440
reef patrol
Ehhhhh.... you're going to be compromising on settings in most games.
solar hinge
Don't you have a widescreen monitor @reef patrol
crude cipher
I did see an analysis that the 1080 is the second best cost/perf card available right now, after the 1060 3gb
reef patrol
I HAD one. My current one is standard 1440P
errant bloom
i would go for the 1080 if i was in the market for a new graphics card
solar hinge
Why did you not keep it?
reef patrol
It was a lender 😉
solar hinge
Ah
reef patrol
I can't even max out Tomb Raider at regular 1440P with my 1080 @60fps
crude cipher
That seems odd
reef patrol
The snow part of the benchmark alone will happily dip down below 30fps
crude cipher
Thought the 1080 was supposed to be the dominant 1440 card
solar hinge
It's the user @crude cipher
reef patrol
I DID say max out - Ultra is the GPU killer. It is much more sensible to stay at High / Very High in 99% of games with almost no graphical fidenitely difference.
I know Wildlands runs at about 70-90FPS on average at Very High @1440P
crude cipher
If I get the monitor, I won't have it until next year
Maybe I should just get a 1060 3gb and wait for the 11s
reef patrol
No no no. 6GB for sure. Too many games can eat between 3-4GB VRAM. 😄
Even my RX480 was surprisingly easy to eat some 3,5. More than 4 is hard though.
crude cipher
I amn't playing tomb raider though
solar hinge
Jiggly boobies physics
crude cipher
Shadow of War is probably my most demanding game right now
@solar hinge ew Final Fantasy
solar hinge
No, tomb raider os the original one
I can't even put youtube on 1080p on my laptop... Goes crazy
crude cipher
Rip
solar hinge
It's from 2008
Hd4650 mobile in it
Core 2 duo
4gb of ram
BUT, except for a battery replacement and upgrade to SSD, it still works enough for work
And 720p streaming
Videos i can watch at full HD if it's a local file
crude cipher
@reef patrol anyways, I'm currently gaming on a 2gb card
reef patrol
Oh dear 😄
crude cipher
Mobile Maxwell workstation cards ftw
solar hinge
Check out my @Speedtest result! How fast is your internet? http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/3240586045
Not to bad for my phone connection
crude cipher
I might even switch back to my 1050Ti 4GB plan
@solar hinge this is my first computer with meaningful dedicated graphics
solar hinge
That's just sad
crude cipher
Before that I had Haswell U integrated and a GT 520
solar hinge
And in your pc?
crude cipher
I was young and foolish then
But I put it in a computer with matrox graphics on the mobo
It was an upgrade
This was back when I used a 1440x900 monitor with the color fidelity of a Picasso
Anyway I've heard that the 1060 3GB is a better gaming choice than the 1050Ti 4GB but IDK
Obviously better FPS with the 1060 as long as things fit in VRAM
reef patrol
If the prices are similar, definitely.
I'd rather compromise a bit to ensure the VRAM doesn't fill, than get stuck with the 1050TI
crude cipher
1050Ti is 145-155 USD, 1060 3GB has come as low as 185 tho
Newegg rebate, otherwise 205
reef patrol
You're looking at something like 30FPS difference on higher settings in demanding games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGGe3K-Qd2E
Quick side by side.
crude cipher
Didn't realize the core count difference was so high
Yeah I guess I'll snag the 3GB
I can give/sell to a friend when I upgrade.
I'm gonna get crucified if I post this build to /r/buildapc
reef patrol
A lot of those groups are very judgy and surprisingly ignorant when it comes to anything outside of their niche knowledge.
crude cipher
"what kind of idiot spends more on RAM than a GPU?!"
reef patrol
Today I had a customer ask how to run 12 monitors on the same PC in a completely serious tone. He needed to run a bunch of live sports in a betting company.
crude cipher
Triple low end Quadro?
reef patrol
We decided to try some 1060s at first, because the output ports made more sense, but Quadro style cards was definitely a consideration - Also low end single slot cards like the Geforce 710, which will run 3 monitors easily. Problem is we'd need for of those.
crude cipher
Yup.
Mobo options gonna suck any way you dice it though.
I didn't realize the 1060 had quad monitor support
Will you underclock to keep the power draw sane?
reef patrol
Naw - Besides they will practically be running idle anyways.
At the end of the day we are a business - Fiddling with firmware is very risky warranty wise 😅
tiny tide
friend uses this thing for his monitor array https://www.amazon.com/VisionTek-Radeon-GDDR5-MiniDP-Graphics/dp/B0085O90SQ/ref=sr_1_18?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1506457305&sr=1-18&keywords=visiontek
crude cipher
6 mDP that's awesome
solar hinge
why is it so expensive though, for a now, 7series?
tiny tide
niche market, high price
solar hinge
yeah but that much
tiny tide
I can't imagine profit margins are that great on the product anyway
crude cipher
@solar hinge think about the power and mobo savings
solar hinge
But will it be that much?
reef patrol
Still working on the OC guides - Bit busy today 😅
glad scroll
Bitmain released their new asic's for dash mining, you can see the effect on the difficulty chart xD
steel urchin
Asic cards made bitcoin what it is today so they are technically a good thing
glad scroll
It will be interesting to see if it will go up in price like bitcoin did
smoky moat
I have gigabit internet! I need to download all the things!
steel urchin
nice, mine is only 7 down and 3 up
odd stirrup
I have 100 down and I think 15 up
zenith mirage
Hey @smoky moat feels good doesn't it?
Is it true gigabit or is it like mine were ~850 up and down seems to be max?
quiet crescent
How do I download and install Linus? 😂 
jolly breach
lol
odd stirrup
I think you mean gnu/linus
fervent plaza
Yeah, we got an email from linus tech tips if they could use this install
odd stirrup
goddamn linus tech tips
fervent plaza
reef patrol
Uuuurgh... my OC reset itself, and I didn't write down the final settings. Time for another couple of hours of finding the sweet spot 😦
jolly breach
rip
reef patrol
Nevermind - I did write it down after all 😄
ashen spindle
@reef patrol you do reviews right? Done some about pc cases too?
reef patrol
Occasionally, yes.
ashen spindle
what's a good case you'd recommend? Don't care about looks at all, more looking for something that has good airflow and is easy to clean/dedust
reef patrol
Depends on your needs mostly. There are a LOT of cases that fits that bill these days. The case I've used personally for a year or so, the S340 (Elite version) from NZXT ticks those, unless you need a lot of drive space.
ashen spindle
nah, building new pc in like 2 weeks, 1 ssd and 1 hdd should be enough for what I need
reef patrol
The S340 comes with either a plexi window, or tempered glass for the elite. If you're not into the window thing, a different case might be more optimal, but for the price and with the features, I definitely consider the S340s a success.
ashen spindle
well the pc is under my desk so I barely see it which is why looks dont concern me at all 😄
I'll take a look at it, thanks
reef patrol
Fair enough. The S340 should be good for you then. You basically yank the front off, and there's a big dust filter there to clean. That's about it.
https://imgur.com/gallery/tCMJ2
This gallery shows how it is to work with - This is before I started taking out parts of the case, putting in water cooling.
ashen spindle
yeah I think I go with that unless I find something else by chance, plan on getting a new pc once coffe lake comes out, my current pc is getting close to 5 years old
reef patrol
An alternative could be the Be Quiet Dark Base series. I had the 600 in for a try - WAY too many drive bays for me, but it was a great case.
ashen spindle
yeah that one seems good too, I'll probably just go with whatever I can get cheaper at the place where I order the rest
ashen spindle
great, all my usb ports are dying, glad I'm buying new stuff next week
crude cipher
Finally ordered Modi Multibit + Magni 3
spice beacon
@ashen spindle what size board are you using
ashen spindle
uhhh off the top of my head I only remember its some P57 I think? sandy bridge cpu
ashen spindle
atx
spice beacon
@ashen spindle I went with MATX but I did since looking in atx, I'll find the one I was looking at. Check pcpartpicker tho
ashen spindle
oh no im not looking to replace this one
getting a completely new pc, (well I'll reuse the drives and gpu) so I dont really care about my year old mainboard dying
jsut annoying for a week
spice beacon
@ashen spindle what board are you getting then
ashen spindle
Idk yet, depends on prices, afaik z370 board prices aren't out yet
reef patrol
Not long now. Another week or so.
crude cipher
Board prices will be out sooner than that
glad scroll
z370? is that coffee lakes platform?
reef patrol
Yes
ashen spindle
Yeah looking to get the 8700k
vocal path
Get an i9
ashen spindle
No need and that'd cost way more
vocal path
What's the need for anything man? I would also get twin Titans
ashen spindle
okay?
zenith mirage
Yeah an i9 is very overkill for a lot of general use cases.
Of course you may get one if you had enough money to not care about value, but that could br said for anything. No point considering it though.
ashen spindle
I was considering it but quad channel memory and high cost of the mainboards just are too much for what I need
also more likely to upgrade on that platform since future cpus will have more cores and not as expensive as the X(E) cpus
zenith mirage
That's what I like about AM4. Same socket for the next few gens. Allegedly.
ashen spindle
yeah, I'm really happy about amd beeing back in competition, that will always end up helping every consumer but intel cpus are just better for me
zenith mirage
That's reasonable. Per core on Intel will likely be better for a while so if that's important then that's what you should buy.
pale sigil
ashen spindle
nice, havent touched my gpu but once I get new cpu/case etc I think I'll play around a bit with my 1080
pale sigil
i OCed a while ago tbh
reef patrol
AM4 - Same socket, not necessarily backwards compatible CPUs.
crude cipher
My parts for my first PC build should arrive tomorrow!
But I won't be able to put any of them together yet
Thursday or so I'll order a CPU
odd stirrup
You should make a stop motion video of your computer assembling itself
crude cipher
That sounds like work
solar hinge
did you see the news about the ryzen 1600 and x having 8 cores / 16 threads instead of 6 & 12
ashen spindle
link? im really curious aobut that, seems like it would be a bad idea for amd
reef patrol
Packaging error.
Either they misprinted 1600 information on an unlocked/functional R7 chip, or they forgot to lock the cores before assembly. Same CPU after all.
tiny tide
I think it's a batch that didn't get cores disabled, runs at same clock as 1600x but has the cores enabled
crude cipher
We know it's the same CPU with cores disabled
reef patrol
The important question is whether they actually all WORK or not.
ashen spindle
I just want coffelake to be out so I can order it and don't have to use a mainboard that makes my mouse disconnect every 5 seconds for a secondwhen I use it
odd stirrup
coffelake sounds like a nightshift's wet dream
solar hinge
@reef patrol apparantly there are almost 0 production problems, so almost all dies come out great
the opposite of vega 😄
zenith mirage
Did we ever find out what went wrong with Vega?
solar hinge
they didn't make enough of them 😄
ashen spindle
and hbm2 costs much and isnt easy to get as well
reef patrol
VEGA - Too much power draw, not enough horsepower, HBM2 didn't make a difference to use cases.
glad scroll
If im not wrong, Vega perfomed extremly well in mining?
Besides, with dash getting conquered by asic's, there is one currency less that can be mined with gpu's
reef patrol
Ehhhhh....
solar hinge
They didn't noticeably do better than the 580, especially with the power draw, they require a lot of fine tuning
reef patrol
How about no 🤣
crude cipher
"""unique"""
reef patrol
I dread needing to replace any of the keycaps in a few years time.
crude cipher
TFW Ergodox is less custom
reef patrol
❤ mah Ergo
crude cipher
Honestly what has me confused is the right side. It looks like they just collaged random shapes
gleaming gull
I adore those ergonomic designs, but it took me bloody 5 years to learn typing w/o looking at the keyboard, and then 5 more years of shitloads of daily typing, my fingers can't really accept anything than standard ANSI QWERTY layout...
can't wait when they'll kickstart direct neurointerfaces )
ashen spindle
I'll be so tilted if I can't order my pc parts tomorrow, I'm losing my sanity using a pc when my mouse stops for a second every 5 seconds and every 3rd time that happens I hear the windows sound for an device getting (dis)connected ahhhhhh
jovial elk
Can someone direct message me how they got the keyboard to work for overwatch? I have analog one enabled and I followed the guide on their website for overwatch (1.5mm actuaction point enable force controller/keyboard etc) But it doesnt work.
The guide says to remove wasd from keybindings but that makes it not able to move anymore
odd stirrup
Did you change modes on the keyboard?
jovial elk
yes i am currently in analog one
i know its analog one because analog one is all blue where digital is rainbow so i can tell
the keyboard runs the game just not in analog
odd stirrup
Have you had the keyboard working for other games?
jovial elk
not yet
ashen spindle
check html5gamepad.com to test if your xbox inputs get recognized
odd stirrup
^
jovial elk
will do
If i set it to direct input it detects on that website but xinput does not
ill message back in here later i have to go for now
odd stirrup
Are you on Windows 10?
jovial elk
yes but like i said ill be back later
odd stirrup
Okay, for when you get back later @jovial elk https://wooting.helpscoutdocs.com/article/26-wooting-one-doesnt-load-driver-yellow-triangle-in-device-manager
tiny tide
that i5 8400 looks competitive af compared to ryzen 1600's scores
crude cipher
Guys! Good double-shot PBT keys! https://www.massdrop.com/buy/vortex-backlit-pbt-doubleshot-keycap-set?utm_source=linkshare&referer=2GH2GE
... I have spent so much money in the last week
reef patrol
Oh man... Coffee Lake is so disappointing.
tiny tide
I'm interested how you find coffee lake dissappointing? It's a 6 core mainstream intel lineup, quite exciting. Unless you were banking on them supporting the third refresh on the first two motherboards, which is asinine when you look at their release history.
reef patrol
It didn't actually improve the gaming performance in the slightest, which was Intel's biggest ace right now. If you're gaming on a Skylake or newer, you have no reason to change, and if you're into production, chances are you already have a 5th gen Intel, an i9 or a Ryzen.
I was expecting single core performance to take the usual leap forwards. More cores don't help you, when the software doesn't use them.
In fact it runs slightly slower than the 7700K due to the additional cores in some games. Not on a noticeable level, but kind of sad.
Sure - If you're still stuck on Haswell or the like, it's a better deal than Sky or Kaby, but that much was obvious to anyone. Newer is always better.
ashen spindle
I'm just tilted at them not beeing availible in europe for nobody knows how long
I just want a new pc asap <.< having your mouse freeze every 5 seconds bc dying mobo is so frustrating
ashen spindle
yep nothing on amazong or any store I know of here
good thing for me at least, resetting windows seemed to help my usb issue so I don't need them as fast as I thought
zenith mirage
That's why you keep a backup PS/2 keyboard and mouse 😉
grim cloud
Do my motherboard even have a PS/2 plug? 🤔
ashen spindle
mine does so that would work
but I really dont want to get used to a different mouse
zenith mirage
Mine has one, so i'd have to pick mouse or keyboard
ashen spindle
and if they dont become availible here till november I might just buy one when im in the us end of the month lmao assuming they get them easier
zenith mirage
They probably will
crude cipher
@ashen spindle adapters from USB to ps/2 are very much a thing
ashen spindle
yeah thought about getting one and hope its just the usb ports that make issues, probably going into the city tomorrow to get one
reef patrol
Grats 😃
fervent plaza
Aww yeah, great feeling to get everything brand new
odd stirrup
What do you think?
odd stirrup
I found a better font:
reef patrol
ashen spindle
I think I'll just order my new pc with an i3 and swap it out once the i5 becomes availible, cba with having to replug my mouse every 5 minutes so it works again
@crude cipher got an adapter and tried it, it's not even recognizing the mouse pretty sure my mainboard is just dying
undone bridge
Anybody have separate keypads to go next to their Wooting? Looking for recommendations if anybody's got one
Yeah, a numpad is a must-have for me
I think it's great the Wooting doesn't have one though, because honestly, it makes more sense to me to have the numpad on the left instead of the right
You have that freedom when you're getting a separate numpad in the first place XD
(Or I mean even better don't have it plugged in all the time, more freedom)
Will check it out, cheers
reef patrol
I have about... 8 boards handy. Anything specific you need to know?
undone bridge
Nothing critical at the moment; I just ordered the Wooting One and it should be arriving in the next day or three.
I am curious about macro support though -- I know the keyboard is "programmable" but does that also mean macros / reassigning keys? Or just regarding RGB, actuation, input modes, etc
undone bridge
Neat!
solar hinge
reef patrol
In ear... Gah! 😮
solar hinge
I like in ear
reef patrol
The rubber pieces stay behind when I try to remove them, and I can't eat with them in. I HATE in ear 😄
halcyon moss
Convenient when traveling though, Always have a pair in my backpack. Also has a mic, so usefull to make calls on too
But for daily stuff, absolutely around ears
Have a nice DT 770 Pro at work
solar hinge
@halcyon moss mansen is just too Danish, always eating :D
crude cipher
Probably has a stack of pastries on his desk right now
crude cipher
Gimme
astral oak
Has anyone written some Applescript for touchbar integration with Wootility or something?
So I can change colours/profiles by touching the Touchbar? Would be pretty cool 😃
sharp pollen
@astral oak Wootility is built using Electron.js which now supports Touchbar functionality, so they could easily add that functionality
(If I had my keyboard right now I'd do it, but still waiting on my UK layout variant to arrive 🙃)
(FYI: @pale sigil https://electron.atom.io/docs/api/touch-bar/ )
pale sigil
@sharp pollen Oh nice
sharp pollen
(Although, I fear that isn't a global touchbar per se, like the spotify app does, without experimentation myself, I think that's the same touchbar that changes per 'focus'ed application?)
pale sigil
But Wootility is already supported on MacOS
But ye.
Maybe worth looking into
To be quite honest im not familiar with touch bar or MacOS based stuff
@fervent plaza is the b0ss
sharp pollen
I think something like BetterTouchTool might be able to allow you to define a custom action script/gesture thing
for now
pale sigil
Aye protential is protential
sharp pollen
BTT allows you to add custom buttons on the touchbar which could trigger a shortcut, that well, triggers wootility profile 😛
goes back to programming
pale sigil
Thats actually a pretty coo idea, post it on trello https://trello.com/b/NpKEdAgB/wooting-roadmap
odd stirrup
protential. Professional Potential
marble meadow
.0
undone bridge
These Flaretech switches have such an interesting keyfeel
(blue for me)
I love it
It passes my litmus test -- I could do a couple typing tests on the new keyboard with no reduction in speed
so that's valuable
fervent plaza
A litmus test? @undone bridge
timid chasm
assuming they mean just a personal test and not the pH kind of test?
reef patrol
Litmus
"a decisively indicative test."
crude cipher
It's a figure of speech
lethal wasp
is anyone here familiar with the sweetlow polling rate override shiz?
crude cipher
My PBT keycaps are arrived! Time to upgrade the Wooting
fervent plaza
Pics?
odd stirrup
I will not pardon
solar hinge
I'm with @odd stirrup, sorry @crude cipher :D
crude cipher
Can't be part of the PCMR without a DSLR or something
timid chasm
So apparently you can download files from your browser on iOS now 😂 they're only a few years behind
crude cipher
@fervent plaza 😦 I mean, I was taking photos in low light to get the backlighting visible
With a Moto G 3rd gen
indigo valley
Hi!
Can someone tell me if I'm in the right place to offer a feature/suggestion for the Wootility software?
fervent plaza
#archived_feed_us_back would be more appropiate, but this is possible though
We pretty much read anything anyway 😃
crude cipher
Seems like the 1070Ti is too expensive
reef patrol
Ofcourse.
zenith mirage
There's a 1070ti?
grim cloud
ye
zenith mirage
Interesting
Won't be upgrading anytime soon, but there sure are intersting cards available
I guess in case they release a card between 2 others. Then it would have to be 50, 55, 60 for example
reef patrol
The TIs come later than the base numbers, and are basically an improved base card. But if a 70TI isn't stronger than a 80, then what would you call it 😄
grim cloud
Trash? 😄
reef patrol
Heyooo
crude cipher
@digital cliff there's also such cards as 1030 already
I don't know that the 1010 is a thing any more, but there used to be things like a 610
Something like 1055 is reserved for OEM products
lethal wasp
anyone tested their wooting vs their previous kb? https://www.bloody.com/en/download.php
scroll down to KeyResponse PK
you need an object to bridge across both keyboards to actuate them at roughly the same time
fickle ore
bear in mind you need switches with same force/throw distance for that test to be of any value, and even then there are tolerances for springs and switches etc
and the switches need to be of same type like linear vs linear
lethal wasp
on the contrary, this takes a total reading which is arguably more relevent in usage.
actuation point, spring force, debounce and polling rate all play a role in responsiveness
it's obvious that optical keyboards have a huge advantage because of their 0 debounce latency anyways, I just wanted a more rounded example
for instance, my POS Qpad KB has 125hz polling and MX red switches so it's entirely reasonable the wooting would be 15-20ms faster
7ms slower polling + a minimum of 5ms debounce but could be much higher since there are no complaints of chatter and a 25% further actuation point
fickle ore
You need an object that doesn't bend, even a little since higher spring force would bend more the side of the object
Also actuation point matters in that test, more than it does in gaming. Are you slamming the object as fast/hard as you're in gaming? Exactly in the middle of the object with 100% accuracy, so that it doesn't favour either keyboard as first?
But I agree actuation distance definitely has quantifiable effect on the total input lag chain, as does spring force, etc.. I'm just saying that test isn't a good way to measure it. You need someoen to solder the wires to one button instead.
fickle ore
which keyboard @digital cliff
and what actuation distance is on that "Othey keyboard"?
are you using blue switches or red?
also are you using the latest firmware on wooting? Also was it digital profile or analog?
Cheers man
does Poker 2 have 1000hz polling and whats the actuation distance?
if its mx red then its 2mm
well that test is worrying
something seems broken in wooting :S
I mean, was it bump test or object test?
it could be because of the wootings 55g spring force vs mx red 45g
but somehow the result of 2-12 indicate variance within wooting somewhere
That software works fine, its being used for benchmarking mice
Yes but if your poker wins all the time.
I mean, did you try to change the physical location of the boards? I mean if the wooting was on left side all the time, switch it to right side and poker on left side.. Idk 😛
Aye
but if the result is consistent, then wooting has more latency which shouldnt really be the case at all
Right
I bought the keyboard mainly because of its claim of low latency and secondly because of no double clicks
Im sure, yeah
Hopefully he can give some insight into thta
I'm trying to find if Poker 2 is indeed 1000hz polling or not.
I know this
Yes USB speeds do matter, as do scanning speeds
Its the keyboard MCU/firmware that u can specify which polling rate you want
Wooting is 1000hz polling. I'm really interested now if Poker II is 1000hz aswell, since if it's not, your test results indicate there is some additional latency somewhere in the wooting
If you don't mind, I would be really happy if you could check Poker II with usbview (microsoft program) whether it specifies "Full-Speed USB" and "binterval =0x01" for any descriptors?
Thanks a bunch man! I'm just double checking, you picked the right device in usbview and it spesifies both?
Cheers! 😃
so yes, poker II is true 1000hz polling then
or should be
well usbview confirms wooting is 1000hz and I think Jeroen confirmed it
Yup
But IIRC, last I talked to Jeroen, the internal key scanning was below 1000hz due to some issues
I'm not sure, but I think they had in mind to ahve the keyscan to be atleast 1000hz
It can be, just a matter of when/if he has time to work on it
Why do you think the poker isnt scanning as fast?
Interesting
It could be both debounce + scan tho
I've tried the test you speak of, I can get 1ms and 2ms occasionally on Wooting
Ive only seen 1
it was linked here by someone
And I got 1-2ms a few times
Ahh
Could you link both I'll test again, that was on beta firmware which had higher scan than public
I tried the online one
Ehm how do I use this , it doesnt report ms
and it says "USB ID: 009" and "USB SPEED: LOW" what the hell 😛
Yes I just double checked with usbview, says fullspeed
but ek software says lowspeed lol
got one 4ms result just now
yes, alot of 6's and 5's
another 4ms :p
Yupp
I'm hoping he has some news what's the current scan rate, and whether it will be 1000hz soon?
but it was mx cherry
If it's compatible with Optical tech, yeah ;D
Or you're limtied to digital mode idk
If Optical mode is the bottleneck, they should add a tickbox on "Digital Mode" with higher Scan rate 😮
exactly!
But in any case, I think Jeroen has an Oscilloscope to see the whole latency of Wooting's
yeah, let's 😃
fickle ore
you should try the EK test
lethal wasp
my polling rate is offically 125hz btw
this isn't a mistake
exact same
multiples of 8
fickle ore
rip ;D
fickle ore
he just doesnt know better ;<
lethal wasp
he got turbomad at his corsair
because he got double clicks or something
the shitty debounce/polling seems to help in that regard
fickle ore
Its a nice feeling, when you know you won't get doubleclicks. I always have that in my head with my mouse now, not keyboarda nymore
fickle ore
I know my mouse will break in 1-2 years like they always do
But I treat my wooting as permanent part of my desk lol
fickle ore
Nice 😄
lethal wasp
I saw the kickstarter YEARS ago
I just couldn't commit that kind of money to something that sounded too good to be true
and let's face it
it really was
it's almost unheard of for a kickstarter to be legit
fickle ore
It's really good. But you can always improve products further 😃
yea the fact it was ks is impressive
lethal wasp
this is the guy
I've seen him surpass 60 key presses per second with 4 keys
I can't find that specific video however
fickle ore
I want to put O-rings on my Wooting, but I cant take off my custom keycaps lol
lethal wasp
wut
fickle ore
That would really improve the typing speed, I think. Yep Asian
lethal wasp
I think it's more a question of finger control personally
I never noticed much of a difference outside of noise
I actually prefer it without
and for the record
I hate keyboard sounds lol
fickle ore
When you reduce to travel distance, you improve speed. Otherise if you had for example mx speed with 1.2mm actuation, you would then have 2.8mm travel without nothing happening - uptravel and down travel
lethal wasp
yes but you're choosing to bottom out
fickle ore
losing time there 😄
lethal wasp
if you're typing lightly then it shoudn't have much impact
fickle ore
I think mx speeds have like ahh.. 3mm bottom out instaed of the usual 4mm?
lethal wasp
I'm convinced it's more skill/focus based than hardware limitations
past a point of course
unless it's more of an indirect thing
like calming OCD in a way lol
some people care or worry about useless crap and it limits them so much, myself included
if you're thinking about ohhh, I need o rings, I need lube etc
you're never giving 100% focus to the task in hand
fickle ore
I don't think about that when I game, I only think it sometimes if I want to improve my setup 😃
lethal wasp
on a subconsious level maybe
like people who tweak their system vs people who don't know or care
fickle ore
Tweaking really helps so much at high fps. Me and my friend have the same PC, however mine's stripped win10. The stuttering he gets compared to me at 200+fps its really incredible
lethal wasp
now people who can stream 300 bpm on the other hand, I could see a case for :p
I'm not saying it doesn't help
but the people who are top percentile are rarely as neurotic as us
like there are people who think you can't play well with a 3310 sensor
fickle ore
Doubt that, many seem to change mice all the time, some pro's have custom frankenmouse made for them.
fickle ore
new zowie's with 3360 coming
lethal wasp
yes, but they're not the norm or in circulation
point being
the most commonly used sensor at LAN is probably the 3310
fickle ore
yea well because shape > sensor I guess ;D
lethal wasp
exactly
fickle ore
But I'm gonna take a guess accuracy is gonna get better all the time due to new hardware... on average
lethal wasp
ahh
but FPS games require a fraction of the aim they used to
which is highly ironic given the recent hardware advances
fickle ore
True.
lethal wasp
we have 240hz strobing screens, optical keyboards, 3360 mice
and we either preaim,strafe aim or cast abilities
10/10
fickle ore
And we have mouse without delay on clicks too.. that alone is like the biggest thing ever
lethal wasp
it's been pretty normal for years
almost any logitech mouse ever made for instance
only zowie had their wave of autistic mice
and a few third world oddities
fickle ore
I used to use razer and zowie.. Only switched to logi circa 2014
lethal wasp
razer and zowie are superior ergonomically though
and logitech use braided cables
so they don't know shit about ergonomics lol
fickle ore
Yea well that's the gist. You can't get a good mouse at the moment without modding really
fickle ore
I'm personally waiting for the new project of BST's... the mouse with 3 shell's
lethal wasp
I honestly find that mousepads have a bigger impact than sensors
my room gets very humid
and it makes cloth pads unusuable when it peaks to like 70-75%
all except my goliathus control
fickle ore
Move to hybrid mousepads. I did that ages ago
lethal wasp
which is the only cloth pad that's uneffected by it
I used a shidenkai but it just spits glass dust everywhere and looks like I wiped my arse with it
yet I keep a really clean workstation
I havn't seen anyone using hybrid pads
fickle ore
hybrid pads taht are plastic/cloth mix I find work really well.
lethal wasp
most people use a zowie g-sr
but iirc that's polyester or something
which gets REALLY slow in humid environments
lethal wasp
wut
the waffle weave on my goliathus is the only thing making it usable
havn't you used one?
a goliathus control
the weave is MASSIVE
you can see it from like half a meter away
fickle ore
I want uniformity in all directions on my mousepad.. Weave can't do that
lethal wasp
what pads have you used?
fickle ore
I've used some artisan mousemats in the past, and I got so pissed at the dust/hairs within weave.
lethal wasp
I've used umm
Qck+, Puretrak Talent, Razer Goliathus Control, Zowie Spawn?, Allsop Raindrop, Artisan Shiden-kai, Qpad FX
all of the fine weave pads feel almost the same
the goliathus control is completely different
the shiden-kai was like ODing on meth
fickle ore
All the ones Ive used started sucking so bad after 2-3 months I'm done with cloth as material
lethal wasp
nothing I did felt deliberate
but I'd randomly do nutty things that were basically impossible on cloth
for real though
I can't control that speed
fickle ore
Would you be able to if mice only weighted 60g?
lethal wasp
no idea
I should add
the shiden kai
is like
the fastest mouse pad you can buy afaik
fickle ore
Ahh, then probably faster than hybrid pads
lethal wasp
can't find dimensions anywhere for that mad catz pad
https://i.imgur.com/ir2P7o2.png amazing
"the box contains the item"
NO WAY
fickle ore
lol
fickle ore
I don't use that myself, thinking if I should buy one
Can't find others.. They're disappearing fast
lethal wasp
what country are you in?
lethal wasp
it's actually at an all time low
ye
keepa is an amazing extension
I got my fidelio x2 headphones for £126
when they retail for £200
it was on sale for a day
L
you can predict price trends
you can also see how ram prices have almost doubled in a year
thanks smartphones
tfw you order random shit to get over £20 on amazon
today it's a sleeping mask lmao
fickle ore
You ordered the mat? Let me know how it is
lethal wasp
it's not like there's a big selection
I was tempted to buy a sheet of virgin grade teflon for a laugh as a mouse mat
fickle ore
Wonder if that would work or would it be too fast 😃
lethal wasp
it would be as fast as reasonably possible
it has the lowest friction coeffient out of anything a normal human could aquire
pure teflon is actually white
black teflon is lower grade and probably slower
crude cipher
I just realized that this wierd built-in curve in my mouse cable is actually a manufacturing defect
How does this get past QA
🆖
latent mural
bla
lethal wasp
@fickle ore found you a silicone mouse pad to try https://www.amazon.co.uk/Silicone-Gaming-Anime-Wrist-Mouse/dp/B01CE6MIDO/ref=sr_1_22?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1509371108&sr=1-22&keywords=silicone+mouse+pad
reef patrol
This is why you might end up having to sell off samples as a tech reviewer. Linus and his people have some 40-50 laptops in the company, most of which they don't use regularly (Hence this special built charging box system. @pale sigil
reef patrol
Well Linus drops stuff on occasion...but that's about it 😄
pale sigil
No, they did a video a while back destorying gpus and shit
cos they cant sell or giveaway
Even emplyees are not allowed
reef patrol
I don't remember that at all - No legal issue here about that.
pale sigil
they can borrow
solar hinge
@reef patrol you wanna play a game?
reef patrol
Love to, but I'm redoing my networking stuff tonight. On the phone all evening, while I unplug and reroute cables, as well as setting up my NAS 😦
reef patrol
4TB later... no progress bar.
FreeNAS WebUI 😄
Converting my HTPC into a fulltime NAS. Didn't see the need for a full Windows 10 install, if I'm going to be using a Stick-PC to watch movies on anyway.
modest adder
:p
reef patrol
My Nas is FINALLY done migrating data after three days of slowly building arrays, copying over data and back (since I wanted some of it locally, but needed the drive for the NAS) and sorting stuff.
Now I shall wrap myself in blankets like a coccoon (cause it's cold af right now, and the heat is borked), consume a jug of hot tea and catch up on Legion.
solar hinge
And play with the wife
reef patrol
She's busy knitting me a thicker blanket 😅
solar hinge
Oooh thick
reef patrol
T H I C C
solar hinge
tick?
reef patrol
My Ergodox was definitely a curiosity. In part to see how hard it was to solder and assemble my own keyboard, and to see what these boards were for.
The red flaretech switch feels pretty similar. The blue feels like a blue. Slight weight differences, but nothing major.
lethal wasp
interesting
I've seen some people say they couldn't tell the difference if their life depended on it
and some say it's way smoother
do you think it could be bias because you know how they're made?
reef patrol
It doesn't feel overly different to any of my MX red keyboards.
lethal wasp
what are the tolerences like in comparison?
I noticed less stem wobble on my topre for instance
:<
reef patrol
Really? I don't get that at all. My Ergodox uses Gat Clears.
lethal wasp
I've never used gaterons
afaik keycap height changes it alot
I just found it contributes to noise sometimes that's all
mine is in production atm, the kb that is, not the dampening
I'd imagine there could be a wooting 1.1 with changes like that in the future
but with more finesse of course
I wonder what a foam/rubber underside could do for stopping desk noise
putting a mouse mat under my kb makes it much quieter
rubber is grippy but it transfers too much energy
reef patrol
Hold my be.... entire desk.
lethal wasp
I'm using a silicone mouse pad however
minor shale
Feels like a solution looking for a problem, tbh, unless you're looking to cram as many workers into as small of cubes as you can. 😉 If my keyboard was 5" thinner, the space it saves isn't particularly useful space. The area between my mousepad and the keyboard would just be slightly more empty.
teal wharf
I can have my mouse closer to my other hand, making it more ergonomic for me
So I don't have to reach for my mouse
minor shale
ya lack of a numpad would drive me to murder
teal wharf
I also used to think that I really need a numpad but as I got myself a bigger mousepad I realised that I need to do something to make these to peripherals more closer together
So I dumped the numpad
minor shale
the most comfortable position for my mouse is already several inches away from my keyboard. So, each person is obviously different there
@digital cliff I've been curious about that every since running into this thing.. so, in the set of all PC users that play games there's a split between those who only do that and those that use their expensive general purpose machine as intended. You think the former is the majority?
teal wharf
I work at a software company and I don't really use my personal computer to do any real work
minor shale
I mean it is what it is, I'm just throwing my vote into the bucket, and I'm happy to let the market decide, so to say
teal wharf
I use it for my entertainment
minor shale
ya, I consider IntelliJ entertainment software 😄
teal wharf
tbh I'm still adjusting to a tenkeyless keyboard
minor shale
https://imgur.com/XpBNrod - that's about as close as my mouse ever gets to my keyboard. The idea of saving space is nice, but I'd have no use for it.
@digital cliff also, funny thing that makes me even more odd, I guess, analog isn't even the driving force behind wanting the keyboard.
the idea of a mechanical keyboard with a linear switch that won't drive me insane with chatter issues is so freaking appealing I had my wallet out before I even saw the price 😄
I have two old func boards (now the "gear" brand in my pic) and a corsair k70 rgb sitting in a pile, all MX Red's, all developed chatter issues inside of 6 months.
The one I'm using now is MX Brown. Browns have a weird mushy feel, but are still an improvement over non mechanical and at least have a much older and more proven design. No chatter issues yet.
I'm sure it's some combination of the design of linear switches being prone to debounce issues and the firmware of those brands being too aggressive. I wasn't willing to spend several hundred $ figuring out which brands have good firmware for linear switch debounce handling.
But.. ya.. an optical sensor w/ sub-ms debounce specs and a linear switch was enough to sell me on the idea. Adjustable actuation and analog capability just sweeten the deal.
@digital cliff See, I sit proper at a PC.. at a roughly 45 degree reclining position, feet up on a stool, stomach halfway under the desk.. barely need to bend my elbows to use the keyboard and mouse 😄
oh ya, btw, another reason this keyboard appealed to me is because it is the antithesis of "gamery" aesthetics. Don't sell yourselves short.
it isn't horribly gaudy, doesn't look like a transformer, etc
the RGB lighting thing I wouldn't call "gamery", backlit keyboards are common. The ability to set the color per key is just a nice bonus.
If you want to see "gamery" aesthetic, just to go logitechs "G" series product page. You may need to wash your eyes out with soap after.
I definitely wouldn't count the Wooting's aesthetic as "niche".
crude cipher
The Wooting is an aesthetically pleasing design. The only 1337 part of it is the default rainbow RGB
Black is, ah, the normal color of a non-Apple keyboard.
Just go look at what Dell/HP/Lenovo ship
modest adder
Did I hear G15? 😃
reef patrol
It got worse 😅
reef patrol
🤔
I can send text and browse (most of the time), but I can't upload an image from the PC. The connection just chokes and cuts out.
Games are even worse. Constant disconnects.
odd stirrup
lol
crude cipher
Wow the G15 is a tragedy of design
outer lintel
The ISP should be renamed to YouSeeNothing
reef patrol
😄
reef patrol
https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/BreakableShamefulAsiantrumpetfish
Pretty sweet Rainmeter skin.
zenith mirage
Aw man, that looks sick
reef patrol
😄
crude cipher
HBM2 in laptop graphics 🔥
Kinda seems like a potential cannibalization of upcoming mobile AMD APUs though
solar hinge
not really
less than 20% is what AMD gets in laptop land
if this were to go to 50%, then maybe
solar hinge
@reef patrol trying to pre build my pc
none of the stores with a pc builder function carries the h700i
reef patrol
Just add a similarly priced case? 😃
solar hinge
tried that :p
but apparantly, for the netherlands, none of them actually have a 200 euro case
either 30 euros more or 30 less
reef patrol
Then add the S340 Elite and some random component to cover the price difference?
reef patrol
Hence the "add some random stuff so you have the correct price"
solar hinge
#effort
crude cipher
@solar hinge why not just spend less money?
solar hinge
Because I like the case
And my current pc is 8 years old
Meaning i'm not going to cheap out on something i will have for years :)
fickle ore
So basically, I'm getting avg. 270fps in overwatch no matter the resolution, 1920x1080 or 1280x768.. That means I'm GPU bound right? Or CPU bound? Basically all options off/low and high perf texture filtering in nvidia settings
reef patrol
With what hardware? 😃
I suggest you run a GPU and CPU overlay from something like Afterburner and look and see if it's the GPU being pushed to 100% or the CPU being mostly busy.
fickle ore
I7 2600k and gtx 1060, ddr3 ram at 2133 cl10
gpu usage is around 95-100%
cpu usage is 70%
reef patrol
Then technically it's the GPU that's holding you back from last 20-30fps till you hit the engine limit of 300? fps
One thing to note - You can't trust the CPU percentage in games, since most games won't be using all of the cores fully. You may need to run some logging tools to see if any cores are being completely filled. Just for future checks 😄
fickle ore
let me check that real quick
Okay, a few cores are at 90-95%, some at 70%, two at 30-40%
reef patrol
That actually looks like it could be the CPU too. The 2600K is starting to show its age - have you overclocked it? 😃
fickle ore
Yeah man it's only at 4.3 atm. I used to run it 4.7 but its kinda old, wanting to save it until I see something real upgrade worthy 😄
Hmmh, seems like both could be the culprit lol.. Guess I have to upgrade soon 😃
How do you identify a RAM bottleneck? My friend is running basically the same setup, he's getting like 100 lower avg fps.. We have attributed that to the RAM, which he's running at 1600mhz.. But we aren't sure.
reef patrol
The 1060 should keep you running most games at High/Ultra at 1080 resolution till next year. Then you may have to compromise a bit on settings.
RAM could be an issue, but it's hard to tell for sure unless you swap RAM and crosscheck. DDR3 is odd like that.
fickle ore
Aight, and there's probably no reason to spend any on DDR3 at this point
Thanks, I'm keeping the 1060 until something that I want to run at max settings comes along 😃
reef patrol
No definitely no reason to invest in DDR3 now. RAM and SSD prices are really high at the moment, so you may want to hold off on a big upgrade for a while still. But I'd probably upgrade the motherboard, CPU and RAM first (all at once, required these days), and then decide if you're going budget friendly gaming with a Ryzen or get one of the new Intels with 6 cores.
fickle ore
Yeah the prices have gone up for RAM, that's one of the reasons I'm holding off. I kind of want a 8 core cpu, since I am those ppl that upgrade once in every 5-10 years 😄. It's either going to be Ryzen 2 or if Intel decides to make 8 core consumer CPU without pigeon poop!
What you make of this? https://www.tweaktown.com/news/59317/amd-rumored-launch-ryzen-2-12nm-february-2018/index.html
reef patrol
I'm running a 1700 @4Ghz with a 1080, and I can definitely see my CPU bottleneck some games compared to an Intel. That last gigahertz or so really matters for getting the maximum frames.
fickle ore
I think so, but apparently AMD have better minimum framerates than intel, but lower avg/max.. dunno what to make of it
reef patrol
Definitely lower max. I probably lose out on 2-30fps max FPS compared to an overclocked i7.
solar hinge
@digital cliff do you know if you can change that?
So it sends numpad codes instead of the numberrow stuff
ashen spindle
so, anybody know if there is a fix for iphones not wanting to work with USB3? and not I dont have usb2 ports to use instead
ashen spindle
I can charge it, the phone recognizes its connected and ask for my code if I want to trust the pc
but I cant acess teh phone from the pc
well I can see it recognizes the apple usb driver but even reinstalling that isn't changing anything
all I want is access the pictures to drag them to my pc :/
solar hinge
Don't you need ituned to do anything with it?
You can't use anything like file Explorer
Or is that what you meant
ashen spindle
no you can use file explorer to access images and such
well, unless its not recognizing the phone
solar hinge
weird though, it never worked with my wife's iPhone :p
solar hinge
@reef patrol what is the difference between IPS and AH IPS?
i mean, in real life use
reef patrol
There is no such thing as IPS really. AH-IPS is just one variant of IPS. There's like 7 or 8 different ones.
The differences are very small for the most part, except for the really high end panels.
solar hinge
yeah i thought it was like that, but on alternate.nl it only says IPS or AH IPS
which is weird
reef patrol
Which monitor?
solar hinge
like filters you can chose
it just mentions VA, IPS or AH IPS
reef patrol
Bad website 😄
solar hinge
for sure
but it's the only one from the dutch websites that has a pc builder thingy :p
#lazy
crude cipher
Maybe their "IPS" is TN :P
solar hinge
nah, UW doesn't have TN i believe (or not what they sell) so that is why it isn't there
pale sigil
Programmers are assholes
sharp pollen
😦
odd stirrup
because a person said a mean thing to Callum and then he found out the person was a programmer
reef patrol
😁
olive light
can anyone help me make a decision
im not sure if i should buy ram rn, or wait a little
ive seen the price increase substantially for 16gb kits, and idk if they will increase continually, or maybe start to decrease
plz help me this is an urgent situation
timid chasm
is this for an upgrade? if so what do you have atm?
olive light
no i have absolutely nothing except some studio headphones, a noice mouse and my wooting one
timid chasm
oh so you're prepping for a build. Uhh I'd check with somebody who keeps up on that stuff like maybe @reef patrol but my guess is that prices will eventually drop.
All depends on how long you're talking though
odd stirrup
Which kits are you looking at? You can track the prices for some through PCpartpicker
crude cipher
I don't expect prices to really come down in the next months
Maybe wait for Black Friday though
reef patrol
Wait a bit for RAM. Prices are supposed to go down a bit, since Samsung is ramping up production
zenith mirage
Just had my computer red screen on me and completely freeze up. Any ideas boys?
Never had that happen before
solar hinge
buy a new one :p
zenith mirage
Good idea 
reef patrol
This is going to be a GREAT week. Two PSUs burned out.
halcyon moss
..how?
reef patrol
One is technically not burned out, but the long, 4part SATA cable is dead, and making a new one is pricy and bothersome. Been wanting to replace it for a while, since having one SATA isn't an option.
The other one died today...how? Not sure yet to be honest.
fickle ore
some super bad luck or bad wiring in house?
reef patrol
Considering the kind of tech I usually run at home, it's probably not the latter.
The first one is just what happens. It's not exactly a brand new PSU. The second one is a bit more odd. Hoping I can get it replaced.
reef patrol
TIL that the postal service deliver pure cancer right to the door. 😅
solar hinge
is this the one that costs 100 for a set of two?
reef patrol
I... I don't know.
reef patrol
It's not out yet I think. Couldn't find any price.
ashen spindle
Maybe you can stop it from spreading by giving it a really bad review
reef patrol
😄
crude cipher
What's particularly bad about it?
solar hinge
not "in your face RGB" enough
ashen spindle
You got cancer, I got jesus in my mail 😄 aka delidded 8600k with liquid metal
reef patrol
Fancy fancy. I'm rocking a 1700 at 4 ghz 😃
ashen spindle
I'm going from a 2400 to an OC'd 8600k (well, using a 8100 right now as placeholder lmao) should be a nice change
reef patrol
That's quite the leap. Congrats 😄
I went from a 7600K to a 7700K and now a 1700 😃
ashen spindle
yeah, time to let it set next to my pc till I completely all the shit I have to do, hopefully I can put it in this weekend
solar hinge
I will be going from a phenom ii x6 1090t to most likely a 1700x
reef patrol
😃
crude cipher
@reef patrol, serial sidegrader 😛
reef patrol
I had the chance to trade in my CPU a lot this generation. Benefit of being the guy who builds all gaming PCs in my circles 😄
solar hinge
@reef patrol http://www.jonsbo.com/en/products_53_2.html
Don't need to buy 'expensive' brands now
reef patrol
😄 😄 😄
reef patrol
🤣
main stream
Another thing that have died out:
http://playstationenthusiast.nintendoenthusiast.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2015/06/borderlands_2_47580.jpg
zenith mirage
Now i'm just looking at questionable RAM cooling methods
RIP splitscreen, you shall be missed
reef patrol
I for one will never miss split screen.
main stream
I will, because I was playing so much with friend in childhood on consoles. 
Such a nostalgic feeling.
zenith mirage
Used to play the old Halo, CoD and Timesplitters -among others- with my brother and friends all the time. Good memories.
reef patrol
Two consoles, two televisions man.
I never liked Split Screen multiplayer. It made slow running console games even slower.
zenith mirage
What kind of royal family do you think I came from? 2 TVs? 2 consoles? Back in my day it was a tiny CRT with no sound and a barely functioning xbox and we were pleased about it.
Kids these days who are also older than me, you have no idea how lucky you are 😤
modest adder
Grab a multitab play with 4 peeps on a small crtv thats life.
reef patrol
We had two tiny 14 inch tvs and two PS1....and a substancial amount of pirated discs 😦
solar hinge
i had an 18" CRT TV, in my own room, playing on my own PS1, from my own couch
only a 40m² room though #PoorLife
crude cipher
That's not that small
solar hinge
Don't worry @crude cipher, when i was 13 it became a 70m² room
#survivorButFearful
@reef patrol https://youtu.be/6ZT5-3FReO0
All the pucks
reef patrol
😦
I only have two. #unfair
I agree with Steve for the most part though. I personally HATE the quick release back panel. It keeps popping by accident if I move the case a little. Without touching the release.
solar hinge
'that seems really awful, if i were you I would go back to the s340 elite
reef patrol
😅
solar hinge
And just sell it to some fool online
solar hinge
Yeah
ashen spindle
is there any reliable software that tells me how much power my system uses or are voltmeter still the only realiable way for that?
reef patrol
You gotta go hardware for that. Software is never accurate.
ashen spindle
yeah guessed so, which is the most accurate software for cpu temps?
reef patrol
Pffft... hard to say. If you have a new'ish motherboard, some apps work better than others. Sometimes they haven't been patched to properly read the sensors on specific chipsets. I generally use HWinfo 64, since it has a TON of info, but you can use anything really. AIDA, CAM, Speccy.
ashen spindle
using core temp and open hardware monitor right now, second one is showing one of my cores at 100C while the others are at 22-39 so I expect that to be wrong but would like to make sure and check with somethine else lol
reef patrol
That sounds odd. If I saw that big of a temp difference between cores (even if only one was fully punished, and the others idle), they should line up more, since they heat each other up.
Could be a damaged sensor, giving off a bad reading. Not common but happens.
ashen spindle
well only only one tool is showing it at 100 so (and for the reasons you mentioned) I think its just that tool not beeing accurate
reef patrol
Ah. Then yes - It's probably not reading the sensor probably. They aren't really a standard, so you gotta get the specs every time a new chipset comes out and adapt your software.
main stream
@zenith mirage
I just found out RAM fans still is a thing - http://www.corsair.com/en-us/dominator-airflow-platinum-rgb-fan
solar hinge
just a question, but can that shit do anything useful? i mean, for normal users it's definitely not useful, but for like overclockers etc, do heatspreaders and fans for ram actually do anything?
and were they even useful in the past or just a complete gimmick?
reef patrol
They are 100% pointless and have been for years. Same with heatsinks on RAM.
If you're doing insane overclocks with liquids, you might have a tiny use case, but for mere mortals, they don't cool RAM down below what they are perfectly happy operating at.
solar hinge
you did say "and have been for years", was there a use for them in the past?
reef patrol
Oooold RAM got hotter. RAM has become more efficient.
solar hinge
here you go @digital cliff www.jonsbo.com/en/products_53_2.html
this will make them better
reef patrol
I knew that was coming 🤣
solar hinge
hmmm, not clickable anymore?
i wish my motherboard was just all RGB Leds with everything motherboard'ish put on op
top
well
you can do that
if you get punched
it usually goes red, then blue, then purple and then when it's almost healed it goes to some weird off green colour
zenith mirage
RGB RAM fans, we've hit peak uselessness now. Plus I have a hard enough time mounting a tower cooler without hitting the stick without a bloody great fan enclosure on top. I guess this is for people with liquid coolers though.
Also on the topic of RAM LEDs, I bought red RGB sticks only for white ones to be delivered. Rip.
solar hinge
wow wtf happened to firefox in the last update
looks like shite
none of my add ons work anymore
NoScript has been removed
classic theme addon is blocked
ashen spindle
yeah they are working on revamping everything
might take a while for addons to change to the new version but it runs so much faster now
crude cipher
Grr, Discord seems to have randomly marked parts of read channels as unread
ashen spindle
had the same issue a couple times, are you using discord on your pc and phone?
odd stirrup
It happens to me all the time
I got it on a archived channel that hadn't been talked in for a year
ashen spindle
yeah it happens when I use on my phone sometimes, that seems to be the casue but I couldnt find out more
crude cipher
Well that's too bad
reef patrol
@digital cliff You'd be surprised how lazy and complacent programmers can be. It took Google some very heavy handed measures to force Java and Flash off of Chrome.
smoky moat
reef patrol
Blame youtube for that one. They insist on including timecodes in the URL, unless you specifically go to the SHARE option
odd stirrup
@reef patrol what were you watching youtube on, your phone?
reef patrol
That's just standard windows
odd stirrup
because there are two options in the dropdown, one is with time code, the other is without
reef patrol
It... uh... never occured for me to right click. I just use the url at the top
odd stirrup
...
I am guessing you started watching it on discord or a different website then clicked through to youtube at about the 54 second mark?
timid chasm
my chrome never adds timestamp to the url
I mean unless I go to share and check that option
odd stirrup
@reef patrol it's a good thing you are a hardware guy and not a software guy or I would be laughing at you harder
reef patrol
Old habits man. I've used YT since before it used flash 😄
odd stirrup
Ah, so you are old. Got it
reef patrol
Back in my days, you hopped over to DivX's website for HD and high quality video.
Back when YT offered like ...320 at the best.
timid chasm
haha Divx, holy shit
smoky moat
I miss Stage 6.
odd stirrup
Is it possible to get scaled down key caps with the proper stem size still in them?
Just a bit smaller so I can put a veneer on top of them
For creative purposes, like putting a veneer on it?
3D Printing suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks
at that rate, I'd be better off felling a tree and making real wood caps myself
I find it hard to believe that I am the only person who would want to modify their keycaps themselves rather than buy pre-made
Only if you don't fold it right
reef patrol
Welp. Ordered those keycaps. Will report back 😃
Helps me burn some money I had stuck in my Paypal anyway.
It's a nightmare to pull money out imo.
solar hinge
@reef patrol how can i test my SSD if it has gone to shit?
solar hinge
I'm doing the windows reset and see if that works
reef patrol
Aside from a quick sensor test like the SMART, you gotta read the entire drive, which takes... an hour? in windows from an app
solar hinge
Nevermind
reef patrol
Uh oh
reef patrol
I need a better Seedbox provider...SMH
solar hinge
Why do you need a seedbox huh
reef patrol
Convenience mostly. Lets me download a ton of new windows Isos without having a pc turned on. Also let's me take a Nas with me to places, and avoiding throttling my home connection.
Our work internet is so slow that a couple of windows update on customer pcs cripple the connection. Not fun when you're using remote POS systems. This way I can send them overnight remotely and get them ready offline
odd stirrup
So I somehow managed to conviced an 8 GB usb it only has 704KB of space
ashen spindle
Now do the opposite
odd stirrup
That trick is harder to do
since I don't really understand what I did in the first place
Nevermind, fixing it was easier than breaking it
I really should go to sleep though, I need to be up in 3.5 hours
odd stirrup
The program I used to put a Linux distro on it partitioned it and I didn't notice until I had the distro running so I tried to expand the main partition into the empty space only for that to not work so when I went back to Windows I could see where I fucked up.
solar hinge
what is that tool again to turn off the "windows 10 stalking and being a dick mode"?
solar hinge
i took oosu
shitty website though, you can only see the download button if your browser is full screen, which it never is for me
different issue after "fresh and updated win 10 install" my realtek audio driver does not seem to work
which is an issue as i have a ton of audio crap plugged in
it's the realtek hd audio driver
i always have it on half my screen
no, i have a 28" screen at the moment
1080p
26" sorry
most webpages are basically made for that size
i've never seen a vertical scrollbar in 99% of the cases
ow, i have two monitors 😄
one is set up vertically :p
i used it a lot for school
having a doc file open
but the viewing angles on this old monitor aren't great though
it's also great in how freaking difficult it is to turn off windows firewall in the lastest few builds
fickle ore
only through gpedit.msc ?
solar hinge
disabled it, restarted it, can't press on the start button anymore