It went broke, I baked it and its perfect again π
#πβtech
fickle ore
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Nice
fickle ore
at 185c for 6.5 mins
fickle ore
What is tensorflow?
glad scroll
Machine Learning
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You should probably wait for Volta then
fickle ore
How does that benefit gaming
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It doesn't
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But it does let you write AI
Like, actual, self-learning machines, not just scripted behavior
fickle ore
Hard to believe that π
fickle ore
everything dynamic in games is been jsut more advanced scripting lol
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But it does learn
glad scroll
Its the best right now
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Games nowadays have so few dynamic stuff it's downright infuriating
glad scroll
besides, google is releasing new stuff alot, so its great.
glad scroll
I only wished my rx480 could be utilized for machine learning, as it boasts 8gb π¦
the card i use currently is an used gtx 960
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Not even in AI, objects are also mostly static, so that they can prebake lighting and fake better graphics at the expense of gameplay
fickle ore
Are you making a game?
glad scroll
No, im just machine learning for fun
fickle ore
Well on that I can agree, cant even remember a good game with good gameplay in the past 10 year
glad scroll
Thats a bit harsh xD
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Minecraft was great before it became a kindergarten
Nowadays it's just a game creator for kids
fickle ore
But... Unity got just upgrade to dx12/vulkan so hopeful here..
Unity enables shitton of indies
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That only means better graphics
glad scroll
Minecraft was good before microsoft started tweaking the shit out of it
fickle ore
Yeah I agree
glad scroll
π¦
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It was broken before Microsoft bought it, they just broke it even further
timid chasm
It's always been broken it's java
glad scroll
Indeed
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Yep, but Mojang was the one that patched the modding community out of the current version between "final" 1.2-1.6
They started to stick to older releases
fickle ore
Last game with good gameplay I played was a mmorpg called Vanguard saga of heroes, lol
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Then, the developers realized the modding community was where they got their ideas all the time, so they quickly run out of them
And boom, singleplayer died except for the modders, who took their own route
Multiplayer became terrible in a whole different way
fickle ore
Sounds bad, havent played MC in like 5 years lol
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Since it's Java, hosting costs are insanely high
So naturally, all servers that weren't pay to win as hell slowly died out
As plugins evolved, so did the restrictions
PlotMe is the biggest mistake of the entire game in my opinion
pale sigil
booooo
glad scroll
What does it do?
pale sigil
Java is banned here
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It generates a completely flat grid of "plots" that players can buy and build on
Doesn't sound half bad at first
But then the server admins took away all sort of protections in the "wilderness", and you just lost the original game
You can try to play there, sure, but they have plenty of trolls to stop you from that
fickle ore
Hey bensnow
One quiestion
You have 1070, I am interested, Do you still get DPC latency spikes due to nvidia driver? Also, if you could, can you check me if hyperthreaded cpu (if you have i7) still gives 100-150 microsecond interrupt latency on every core with the newest NVIDIA architecture? (In Depth Latency Test) If you have latencymon program π
That is keepeing me from NVIDIA aswell, AMD graphics has 0.5 microsecond on every core
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No idea what those DPC spikes are, never experienced something like that in a game
But I have a Ryzen 1700X, the extra four cores might be doing something
fickle ore
Test name is "Tight loop latency test at HIGH_LEVEL_IRQ: Measure SMIS and CPU Stalls. Run test with all maskable interrupts disabled
wait
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Is that an audio thing?
fickle ore
TLDR; amd has none, nvidia spikes to 1ms. Nvidia has also constant 150 microsecond lag on i7 hyperthreaded cpu, while on amd the lag is 0.5 microsecond
Not really.
Im kinda also interested to see it on Ryzen aswell π But im not forcing you π
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Couldn't get the one you showed me, but Thesycon's latency checker looks like this to me
fickle ore
Ahh that only works on windows 7 mate
Not on 8/10
thats the better one, works on win10
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Current status
fickle ore
dpc latency looks okish, interrupt bad
my interrupt latency is around 150 microsecond
DPC due to nvidia driver is 700 microsecond
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Just got a spike of 593 microseconds
fickle ore
NVIDIAddkm.sys?
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Yep
fickle ore
still not fixed then
can you test the other test, "in depth" one? π
that came with the program
fickle ore
there came two exes
cool! π
Test name is "Tight loop latency test at HIGH_LEVEL_IRQ: Measure SMIS and CPU Stalls. Run test with all maskable interrupts disabled"
fickle ore
Yes
fickle ore
Here's mine:
intel i7 2600k + nvidia 780
PER CPU MEASURINGS
Highest latency on CPU 0: 129,80583 Β΅s
Highest latency on CPU 1: 192,14877 Β΅s
Highest latency on CPU 2: 96,67673 Β΅s
Highest latency on CPU 3: 95,17086 Β΅s
Highest latency on CPU 4: 94,26734 Β΅s
Highest latency on CPU 5: 4,51760 Β΅s
Highest latency on CPU 6: 93,96617 Β΅s
Highest latency on CPU 7: 96,07438 Β΅s
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Final result
fickle ore
With Hyperthreading disabled on Intel, OR AMD Graphics Driver + Hyperthreading ENABLED = 0.5 microsecond
you want to test hyperthread off might be 0.5 microsecond ^^
However that score is nice.
fickle ore
yeah not required, that is good enough man
thank you for helping and making my decision on next hardware easier π
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I highly doubt the next gen would come this year
Maybe some APUs by the end of the year, and Ryzen 3 shortly, but that's all for AMD
fickle ore
Yeah I read ryzen+ comes 2019 or end of 2018.. So long
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AFAIK it will be 7 nm though
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That would be awesome
fickle ore
and am4 u can just buy new cpu and thats it.. not like intel when u buy all
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Yeah, I really like the four years they are promising
Upgraded from an FX 8320
I like that now I at least have an upgrade path
fickle ore
Nice upgrade π
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Thanks
fickle ore
But about the DPC lag of nvidia thing
imagine
usb is polling per 1ms, and nvidia driver hangs ingame for 0.7ms... jesus :/
its such a large time imo
fickle ore
Yeah hope so
But audio problem are reported
I wonder if it stalls the CPU if it happens on the main core/thread
and game if said game is on that thread
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Sending render calls from the main thread isn't a good practice anyway
Nvidia actually sorts that out with their driver, it sends them on concurrent threads and assembles it at the end
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No such thing, they send where you say send
Amazing tech on Nvidia's side, but Vulkan or Dx12 are better solutions for the same problem
fickle ore
Interesting
They also don't use MSI mode for PCI-E either, but older IRQ mode on their gaming lineup, while their pro graphics use MSI mode
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Which manufacturer?
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Wait
IRQ
I remember that name
That's what failed on my motherboard with the default Linux kernel
radiant saddle
Sending render calls from the main thread isn't a good practice what
Not doing so involves lots of context switches, unless you have a thread specifically for rendering which is a very dated archetype.
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What's the problem with the render thread?
radiant saddle
When there isn't render work going on the thread is just waiting which risks it going to sleep unless it's busy waiting
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And busy waiting isn't a great way
Thanks, I get it
I'm thinking about that stuff, I'd like to write my own game engine eventually, but it would use Vulkan and multiple render threads
radiant saddle
If your only extra thread is dedicated to rendering then it's not as big a deal, but when you start adding in even more threads per subsystem (sound, physics, etc) you multiply it.
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Usually, one dedicated thread for rendering is the AMD optimization
radiant saddle
It's one of the reasons many went to job systems rather than subsystem threads, to minimize the amount of downtime for threads
Damnit
Everytime I try to edit in here I press pin by mistake
reef patrol
π
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So the idea is that job systems are better
radiant saddle
They can be if made properly
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It kinda feels like writing your own scheduler on top of the one provided by the OS
radiant saddle
But they are not trivial
Look up "Paralelizing the Naughty Dog engine" for a good example
It's and old GDC talk from one of the lead engineers at ND
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The async units are great imo, they just require explicit support
radiant saddle
They talk about how switching to that job system is what allowed them to achieve 60fps 1080p in TLOU remastered
They also used fibers a lot, which is a great all on its own
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Fibers?
radiant saddle
Basically virtual threads
reef patrol
π
glad scroll
Interesting, Razer stealth doesnt have led's under the function key and space..
The keycap puller is awesome, btw.
I was cleaning my razer chroma, so the keycap puller is awesome C:
crude cipher
Less risk how?
reef patrol
You push down on the switches more than you would normally do, which can potentially damage switches - to get the grabbing bits to click around the keycap. Where a wire puller is just moved around the corners and pulled up.
warped nebula
experiment suggestion: place a keycap over your finger and see how much force it takes to push it into the puller.
I'm more concerned about the scraping than the force, myself. a keyboard that can take careless user hammering should have no problem with the puller's downward force.
solar hinge
@warped nebula is saying the following @reef patrol : it survived manchild @pale sigil beating it and it's still alive
pale sigil
And milkshake
reef patrol
Not saying it's a common occurence, but I hear tales of it happening on /mech. Food for thought is all. A wire puller is also a lot nicer on the caps in terms of scratching.
solar hinge
So you have sticky keys :p
crude cipher
In the search for faster compile times, I'm now kinda considering threadripper
Pls send help
ashen spindle
thinking about that too, planning to upgrade my pc after this semester which ends end of next month, hopefully they have accurate reviews by then
reef patrol
Get a Ryzen 1700, toss a nice cooler on it and overclock it to whatever it'll give you at 1,3v.
timid chasm
shhhh I can't upgrade for a long time and you're killing me
crude cipher
If I went TR I'd look like such a scrub
timid chasm
talking about upgrading to threadripper and my little 4690k is just chugging along and gonna have to last another couple years QQ
crude cipher
1k on CPU+mobo, 400 on two GPUs
@timid chasm my only desktop machine currently is sitting unused because it's an X3430 + GT520
reef patrol
We still haven't seen Threadripper coolers. I'd definitely hold off.
crude cipher
You can't even buy TR yet
timid chasm
I see. Guess it could be worse
ashen spindle
well it appears they are basically epyc cpud with 2 dead dies
reef patrol
I know, Pynd. π
ashen spindle
so there will be some for it availible fairly quick I'd assume since its a known form
reef patrol
The 4690K is a trooper. I have a 4790K that just needs a working board.
timid chasm
I do love it. It's running at 4.5 without any voltage change so I'm content
reef patrol
Nice. I run my 4790K at 4,4 with 1,325
As for TR. The thing is - much larger surface. We're bound to need special coolers...which are going to be pricy.
timid chasm
I can't imagine what those will look like. I barely had room for my current cooler
reef patrol
Maybe something like this? Hahaha
crude cipher
But 24 threads at up to 4GHz aaaaay
timid chasm
is that for all of them or is that the typical "only 1 or a couple run at 4ghz"?
ashen spindle
iirc Noctua already showed some coolers for TR4 sockets at computex or another event
crude cipher
@reef patrol are you sure that's not an air filter from a semi?
crude cipher
@timid chasm That's without XFR I think but I don't know that all cores will hit that
crude cipher
Base clock on the 12 core is 3.6 though so each core will run pretty nice
@reef patrol the packaging looks really nice
solar hinge
Y u steal mah link @reef patrol
reef patrol
The packaging is so over the top. So funneh.
You never said original content pls no steal. So there!
timid chasm
watermark it!
solar hinge
Which packaging is nice? Threadripper?
reef patrol
Unoriginal image. Pls steal
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Wait, do you have any source on the "Epyc with two dead dies" thing?
I just don't understand why they would put on the dies in the first place
And as far as I know the socket is physically the same, but not compatible
ashen spindle
uhh I could link you a german website lul
its mostlikely so they dont have to make a completely new line for TR cpus and just use epycs where one or 2 dies had issues and just kill them, saves time money and silicon
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It's one die anyway
The same Zeppelin die powers all Zen CPUs, ranging from Ryzen 3 to all the way up to the 32 core Epyc flagship
Infinity Fabric and lots of magic
reef patrol
Well actually.
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Okay, I can't English today
The point is, there is only one kind, an 8-core die with two core complexes
That's what they put on there
reef patrol
And yes - Derbauer did manage to kill that TR this way.
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Yeah, it's pointless to delid a Ryzen for anything else than exploring how it works
reef patrol
Mhmm. AMD is nice enough to solder their chips...
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It's still weird for me though
Why couldn't they just leave the other two "slots" in the socket empty?
The whole point of this multi-die desing in that they can increase their yields by picking the working dies and putting them on the same CPU
reef patrol
Just swapping platform really.
Lil bro's old AM2 CPU died out a few days ago, so I'm helping him upgrade to a modern system. He gets my 7700K and mobo, and I buy a Ryzen for his money. Everyone's happy.
timid chasm
I see, fair enough
way baack when I gave my 6300 to my brother and nephew to share and they had to buy a hard drive and gpu to put in it
reef patrol
He's a great programmer, but he has no hardware knowledge or interest. I'll have to help him OC the 7700K and get a decent cooler.
timid chasm
I can't imagine he'd actually need it OC'd in most cases
reef patrol
You'd be surprised how much it can cut down compiling time with the kind of stuff he works on π
reef patrol
Yep. I'm so done with Intel these days. And I'd rather have twice the cores and lose 20FPS in games. Next gen games will be a lot more multi core friendly.
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Keep in mind that you are dropping back from 140 to 120 or something like that
It's not like going from 60 to 40
For anything else than high refresh rate gaming, Ryzen is perfect
Everyone was using i5s anyway before Ryzen became a threat to Intel and they overhyped the 7700k
reef patrol
Mhmm. I use a 1440P 60hz IPS monitor anyway, so... yeah π
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On a Ryzen 1700X at 3.8 GHz when I get a CPU bottleneck, it's at the 120 fps range
About your brother's future PC, delid that 7700k if you haven't already
Silicon Lottery can do it for you safely if you don't want to worry about it yourself
And it can get you something like 20C at high overclocks
reef patrol
Maybe in two years time. I enjoy having some warranty π
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Technically, overclocking already voids the warranty
reef patrol
Good thing Intel can't tell.
Or care even. They just want a serial number and they send a new one
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You don't even have to send it back?
reef patrol
Oh sure. But not immediately.
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Oh, okay
reef patrol
And since I bought it from work, they'll just hand me a new one right away and put the replacement in stock. Nice guys.
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That's great
Anyway, Kaby Lake is an amazing overclocker, but the toothpaste makes it a bit hard to handle
reef patrol
Yep.
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What kind of cooler are you planning to get?
reef patrol
I used to have an X52 Kraken. Their 240mm model. Right now it's running on a rather underpowered T4 cooler from Cooler Master. Ultimately the goal is a proper water loop once I have the money. Resevoir is already on my shelf.
Biggest issue is that my GPU isn't founder - Or I would have picked up EK's new Alu Kit, and shelved a copper grade kit for later.
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MSI card?
reef patrol
Yep. 1080 Armor.
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I have the same problem when looking for watercooling parts
The last four cards I've bought were all MSI Gaming series
reef patrol
GTX 560, GTX 760, RX480 and now 1080.
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For me it was HD 7750, R9 270X, RX 470, and now GTX 1070
But only the last two are MSI
The other two are 1050 Tis which I've bought for family
reef patrol
Great card.
I've built quite a few eSports grade machines with pentiums and 1050TIs.
ashen spindle
psst, it's offically "esports" now @reef patrol no capital s, no hyphen
ashen spindle
ahhhhh it burns my eyes
crude cipher
#couragelikeamanstaringintoasolareclipsewithfullawareness
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And trying to put his finger on it
Who knows where Apple put the fingerprint sensor this time
crude cipher
On the rim of the Lightning port? π
reef patrol
That turned surprisingly lewd.
crude cipher
Lewdness is in the eye of the beholder
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Along with the burns caused by that surprisingly bright iMoon unit
reef patrol
nn
crude cipher
I couldn't use them yeah
crude cipher
12+ core i9s are all supposed to turbo to 4.4 for at least one core o.O
Almost 2GHz of turbo
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That's going to melt the toothpaste
crude cipher
I'm not buying that you're gonna hit that for long with a 165w thermal solution
Not on an 18-core chip
reef patrol
We'll definitely test temps on TR properly. Think my colleague's sacrificing his water loop to try it out.
glad scroll
The overclocker Der8auer released a video on delidding an threadripper chip
which reveals that threadripper actually has 4 ryzen modules
Its in swedish, but the pictures are what im referring to xD
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They must have 100% yields by now
They even got a place for dead dies
Still sounds weird AF to me
glad scroll
I guess this will allow them to use the the epyc factory and disable ineffective modules and sell them as threadrippers π€·
reef patrol
Standard practice really.
glad scroll
Yeah, intel does that too
reef patrol
There's a reason why we have such a broad CPU range.
glad scroll
Sad thing that you cant activate the cores tho π¦
well, atleast on intel cpu's
dont know about ryzen chips yet.
reef patrol
You can at times - but more often than not the cores disabled ARE actually unstable.
glad scroll
from what i heard, they are physically disabled (intel chips)
reef patrol
If you were really early in the RX480 release, you could be lucky to find some 4GB cards where the remaining 4GB were actually intact. Manufacturers disabled them and rebranded them to keep up with demand. Later ones were actually faulty.
crude cipher
What I read is that the TR extra modules aren't cpu dies at all
But maybe I misread
reef patrol
Depends on specific CPU. Sometimes you see manufacturers like ASUS? make special motherboards that ignore restrictions from Intel and give you a BIOS option to force an unlock.
glad scroll
π€
reef patrol
I remember way back in the early days of Halflife 1, I had a Duron processor that could be unlocked and turned into a much more expensive Athlon just by shorting out a small connection on the physical CPU with some graphite from a pencil.
Some Intel Xeons could be used on regular consumer boards by blocking electric access to some pins below the CPU and reflashing the BIOS in special ways to add microcode.
reef patrol
Some AM3? CPUs could have the last 1-2 cores unlocked through BIOS on special motherboard sold with the feature. It's always a tick tock kind of back and forth depending on manufacturer laziness and clever engineers finding out hardware secrets.
glad scroll
Interesting
crude cipher
We need double-shot PBT Wooting keys
Then you could mix them with unprinted iKBC double-shot PBT keys for a perfect experience
reef patrol
For now there's the Vortex PBT backlit set. It's very affordable. ANSI and regular ISO though.
crude cipher
Ok this is too funny
The new Threadripper Alienware Area-51
The base model has the TR 1950X β paired with 8GB of RAM and a 1060 for 3k USD
fickle ore
Today vega launch π
solar hinge
@reef patrol i remember the day i had 10GB download limit, which you could change without the provider knowing it by access the modem with a usb cable and a laptop
literally just change the number to 500 for example
reef patrol
π
solar hinge
all of it was done in the modem
solar hinge
Ow wow, dutch website says that the rumoured price for vega are 399 for the one with 56cu
ashen spindle
yeah cpu market is really competetive now, nvidia is still ahead in the gpu market but they have some competetion now at least and amds next gpu generation is supposed to be a bigger threat
zenith mirage
Note to self, old GPUs, adaptors and new PCs don't play nice
Got a Quadro NVS with a VGA to HMDI adaptor going to a monitor. What a suprise, it doesn't display anything.
Quick update, i have a converter that goes the wrong way, oops
reef patrol
π
Converters are always a nightmare.
"So I want a converter cable from USB to HDMI" Ma'am... it doesn't quite work like that.
reef patrol
"Zhe patient iz ready" - Just waiting for the postal office to let me pick up my Ryzen parts now. Time moves SO slow. π¦
reef patrol
Temporary solution while I wait for an AM4 bracket for my AIO. Because you can't have too many CPU coolers in a case...right?
ashen spindle
missing one on the bottom and one on the open side/windpw side noob π
reef patrol
Hmm?
The window is one, big tempered glass plate. Ain't nowhere to mount anything there π
ashen spindle
pff get creative π
crude cipher
You can drill holes in glass
reef patrol
Not in this stuff. It will shatter if you try to penetrate it. Trust me I've seen attempts π
Anyway just waiting for that pesky AM4 bracket to properly install the AIO.
ashen spindle
time to glue it on the glass then π
crude cipher
Here I was planning to build a 1600X system
And now I'm basically completely sold on a 1920X
RIP wallet
reef patrol
I'm quite happy with my 1700. Good OC potential
fickle ore
Guys cna you enlighten me, how much better is threadripper than ryzen and is it using the new stepping?
ashen spindle
depends what you use it for
fickle ore
gaming
ashen spindle
probably not worth getting TR
pale sigil
im happy with my 6600k
fickle ore
I'm thinking gettign the lowest threadripper with like 10 cores, OC it to 4ghz
if its b2 stepping
ashen spindle
but you basically get quad channel ddr support and stuff you dont need for gaming
so for gaming alone it's 100% not worth getting a TR
fickle ore
Well I need to push 240fps+, so its more for high refresh rate gaming, so I thought extra cache would improve performance over Ryzen
I'm gaming on low settings anyway and min fps is important to keep 240fps atleast
ashen spindle
what games?
fickle ore
atm? OW and csgo prob when they update to source2
ashen spindle
yeah ryzen 7 will be fine for that if you play on low anyway and get a good gpu
ashen spindle
he meant csgo not ow lol
pale sigil
"OW and csgo"
ashen spindle
probably should've set a comma there
pale sigil
just found it funny
timid chasm
240 fps? I'm guessing @ 1080?
ashen spindle
since he said on lowest settings I'd guess so
timid chasm
oh, I missed the lowest part
only OW and csgo maybe but even at 1080 I've be impressed to see some of the higher games get there and stay there
reef patrol
There is zero reason for Threadripper and gaming. It is exclusively for production.
ashen spindle
or if you want to do both in one rig
since you dont really lose single thread performance due to infinita fabric working really well
fickle ore
Well, atleast in the past many times too little cache can reduce cpu performance in games pushing high fps but idk how its for ryzen
and TR only 50$ more than 1800x hmmmh decisions π
reef patrol
Or you buy a 1700 and clock it as high as a 1800x will go. There is NO reason to buy the bigger Ryzens in a line, unless you want to beat yourself up for not overclocking π
reef patrol
If you expect to be gaming on it, you pick a 7600K, 7700K, 1500 or 1700. That's just my two cents.
ashen spindle
well if you want you can give me the money you save by not getting TR if you reaaaaly want to get rid of it π
crude cipher
@reef patrol if you're going with 8 cores, the 1900X will give you the best performance.
Per core and overall.
Especially if running an OC
Since TR has the top 2% grade of binning
ashen spindle
but is it worth the >200$ over R7 for just gaming?
crude cipher
It's just you incur much higher platform costs
@ashen spindle probably not unless you know you're going to be CPU bound
reef patrol
No...
crude cipher
I'm looking at the 1920X, not because of a need for the slight gaming performance boost, but because I want the cores
reef patrol
More expensive chipset not built for gaming optimization, expects 4 channel RAM. And so on.
ashen spindle
well its based on the same zepelin dies so there shouldn't really be any disadvanages besides price
reef patrol
Larger die size, more heat. Needs special cooling in many cases.
ashen spindle
max tdp doesn't meant thats what it will reach
crude cipher
Repeat after me, TDP is not power consumption
reef patrol
I am rambling right now. My point remains that for a 200mhz higher clock and 16MB more L3 cache, you are literally getting twice the expected heat.
reef patrol
No...
ashen spindle
intel puts the same TDP for like 8 different cpu models usually, doesn't mean they all produce the same ammount of heat
reef patrol
Yes they do - Because they end up there under load.
crude cipher
TR has higher TDP but lower usage than i9
reef patrol
But don't take my word for it. The reviews will flood in within a week. Our TR are on their way.
crude cipher
You'll only hit 180w if you seriously OC
ashen spindle
how are 2 corse producing the same heat as 4 cores? just because intel decided to give them the same TDP on a paper?
crude cipher
For the the 1900x
I suspect the 1950x will be difficult to keep cool
Just like the i9 XE
reef patrol
I don't see these "2 cores have same TDP as 4" claims you're making, Quin.
ashen spindle
uh I'd ahve to look it up but I'm failry certain intel has sometimes just used the same TDP for multiple chips
crude cipher
They do, so does AMD
reef patrol
I'm looking at the entire Kaby lake lineup, and the TDP seems to match clock speed vs. cores just fine. The biggest i3 at 4.2 will generate as much heat as a 4 core rated a gig lower.
reef patrol
I give up. Read the reviews, prepare for the heatwave. Those threadrippers are going to cause so much more heat than the 1800x in comparison due to the difference in die size and heatspreader application.
crude cipher
@reef patrol physics disagrees, is what I'm saying
reef patrol
Except they do not.
ashen spindle
yeah them giving you watercooling sockets in TR boxes makes me believe that
but how is the 1900x supposed to produce more heat if the cores are spread out more? just curious
crude cipher
More area means more passive cooling actually. If you made your die huge and put fins on it, you could cool just with that
reef patrol
Because it isn't just the same number of cores. L3 cache gets hot. The connections between each core generates heat.
TR uses a completely different infrastructure to R7s.
ashen spindle
ah, idk enough about cpus yet so I just assumed spreading cores would make heat spread easier
reef patrol
TR has discarded Epycs in it last I checked.
ashen spindle
nope they confirmed thats not the case
ashen spindle
yeah the extra 2 dies aren't bad epyc parts, they are raw silicon blocks to prevent the weight deforming the cpu
reef patrol
Let's return to the actual question here - Why pick a TR over an R7? No reason whatsoever unless you are adamant about not applying an overclock. The processor alone is below half the price, not even considering the specialized motherboards that demand quad-channel to operate efficiently.
ashen spindle
yeah its 100% overkill for gaming
reef patrol
Unless of course you happen to be running a production rig.
crude cipher
If you're going to OC, you'll get good results with TR as well because they're a higher binning
reef patrol
Sure - But most companies won't touch OC. That's why the +1700 Ryzen 7s exist at all.
reef patrol
You'll be wasting a ton of money going TR for gaming though.
crude cipher
The 1950X can supposedly hit >5GHz on all 16 cores with LOX
So if you're just wanting to go completely overcompensation, I'd imagine the 1900X will provide that niche "must have my perf" OC bonus
Because you might get a higher clock than the i7-7740X
fickle ore
I'm still gonna disagree, TR 8 core vs ryzen 7 8 core, TR will be better due to more cache in some scenarios, if u dont care about money π
coz
50$ more than 1800x and idk about motherboard, wud prob get x299 taichi or taichi for TR
ashen spindle
*100$ more than the 1800x and if you Oc you dont even need the 1800x so you save even more
fickle ore
100?
ashen spindle
450 for 1800x and 540 for 1900x afaik
oh and wasn't the 1900x the one that isn't coming out till the 30th of this month unlike the other 2 versions?
fickle ore
Dont know about that
Also if you buy amd red pack (vega), u save 100$ on cpu + motherboard idk how they count that
100$ on cpu and 100$ on mobo?
reef patrol
Don't forget needing four RAM sticks.
ashen spindle
dont quite understand the packs yet
smoky moat
Just downloadmoreram.com
reef patrol
Huehuehue
ashen spindle
they are probably to prevent cards beeing taken for mining instantly but not sure how you end up saving money with them
reef patrol
Basically slight discounts for buying first party early.
There's a bigger discount if you get one with a VEGA iirc.
ashen spindle
but how? aren't you paying 100 more to save 100 on the cpu?
reef patrol
Compared to buying the TR on its own? No. Compared to going R7? Possibly.
ashen spindle
wait what packs are we talking about, the ones for vega 56 and 64 right?
reef patrol
Yes. CPu, Board and (potentially) GPU.
ashen spindle
so I can pay 100 more for my 64/56 to get a pack that gets me a discount fo 100 on an r7?
probably not looking to get a vega gpu but still interrested in the deals they offer, all the websites ive looked at weren't good at explaining the deals, guess I'll just wait for release to see how it works esactly
reef patrol
Hmm... 33% improvement over 7700K in Cine with stock settings. Not bad.
crude cipher
Nice
reef patrol
Just need that pesky AM4 bracket so I can OC it.
crude cipher
Crap this build comes out to almost 3k
reef patrol
Whatcha putting together there?
crude cipher
1920X + mobo is north of 1100 USD right now
Compared to the 400 USD 1600X combo I was speccing before
reef patrol
Now add a water loop to the mix π
crude cipher
Thing is, PC Part Picker isn't taking to account the adapter plate that ships with TR
So I don't know what all will actually be available in a month
reef patrol
Yeah TR will fit any Asetek AIO out of box. That's nice.
crude cipher
But regardless, that's a small cost out of 2700 USD
Next you add 32 GB of RAM, a 512 GB 960 Pro SSD, a 1060 6GB, plus a fairly expensive PSU...
reef patrol
Om nom nom. Delicious hardware π
crude cipher
And I'd still have to add a GPU for the host system
zenith mirage
What's this build for? Rendering?
crude cipher
Simultaneous dual OS + compilation/music/gaming
zenith mirage
Fair enough
ashen spindle
oh god I always forget windows is so expensive since I never had to pay for it, do you need w10 pro?
reef patrol
Most won't. They don't gate basic content anymore like they used to. π
ashen spindle
yeah just wondering if he needs the pro version and for what
zenith mirage
Wonder if anyone here can help me overcome a ponderous issue. Trying to put windows on a new machine using a USB, standard stuff. Boots into the windows starting screen, pick a language and all that. It then reboots for the first time, straight into the BIOS. Can't seem to get past this. Never had an issue like this on other machines in the past so i'm a bit confused. Nobody i have asked in person has offered anything more than "shouldn't do that" 
Is it because there's 2 options showing up for the one drive? Not sure how that happened in the first place but that might be it right? Tried having the SSD on top of the order too in case anyone suggests that.
Also it's a 16GB stick so there couldn't be 2 separate partitions of that size anyway
Sorry for turning tech-talk into tech-support btw π
glad scroll
if the usb is on the top, it will try to boot from that
tried manually booting from the drive you installed on?
@zenith mirage
Perhaps there is an setting that makes it go into the bios?
my asus board also shows 2 versions of any bootable usb
zenith mirage
Actually thinking about it, this may not have been the best time to ask given that I won't be able to touch the system for a while. Thanks for the suggestions anyway, i'll have a deeper look when i have access to it π
glad scroll
The thing im curious is why there isnt a second option for that ssd, my board always shows me all the bootable sectors
bootable and the normal drives.
reef patrol
CSM and UEFI are two different ways to boot from. They aren't different partitions technically.
UEFI is more secure and can do more things - But it's also a right nightmare to work with, if you're an IT tech.
You can't boot most tech toolkit from it, since UEFI requires partition swapping to run ISO files, whereas Legacy (CSM) can just boot em up.
glad scroll
Rip getting hands on vega. http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-mining-performance-great/
reef patrol
That's why AMD did combo purchase thing. Deters miners.
glad scroll
Mhm
zenith mirage
Trying to uninstall Mcafee from my mum's laptop is a terrible time
reef patrol
Nuke it.
ashen spindle
Yeah reinstalling everything including OS is probably the best and quicker way
glad scroll
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
zenith mirage
Yeah, i'm thinking that too
reef patrol
Especially if it's Windows 10, and it still uses the factory restore thing. So much bloatware.
timid chasm
Anybody have triple monitors and can recommend a good stand? Preferably one that supports multiple orientation setups
default setup would probably be Portrait, Landscape, Portrait and fit at least 24, 27, 24
quasi crater
i have only a dualmonitor setup, but my stand supports up to three monitors.
But this is more than just a stand^^ http://obutto.com/
timid chasm
the last words, of the words available, I'd use to describe that is "monitor stand" π
I should also have mentioned "affordable", that's my bad.
That thing is pretty badass though
quasi crater
the monitor stand can be bought seperately for 119β¬ (monitor stand) + 99β¬ (arms for triple monitor mount) π
I replaced my desk a few years ago and do not regret it (even it is realy very expansive π
)
If you want to place the monitors on your desk and if you need to buy new monitors for your setup. There are few Monitors out there with adjustable stands, which allow Portrait and Landscape.
reef patrol
VESA wall mounts man.
timid chasm
Not doing wall mounts because then I gotta do the drywall repair when we sell and move
granted screw holes are easy fixes, still don't wanna mess with it
also have not the right wall space for it
reef patrol
Pssssh... easy fix π
reef patrol
There's plenty.
TLDR; It wins out in the expected tasks, still loses out on gaming due to low clock speeds.
crude cipher
@reef patrol it interests me that the 1920X beats the 1800X in single core, but I imagine part at least of that is the disparity in RAM speed
bleak sand
@timid chasm I run 2 27" and a 24" on this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/EZM-Deluxe-Triple-Monitor-Mount-Stand-Free-Standing-up-to-3-28-002-0020-/172137386987?hash=item28143013eb:g:3HEAAOxyRhBS5uS7
timid chasm
ended up trying this out sicne it was so cheap www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=16247
Thanks for the heads up though. I'll look into that one if this one ends up being junk
bleak sand
I have the EZM one and the screws are pretty much junk since they strip super easily, but the stand is stable enough though
timid chasm
I got a dual stand a few years ago by the name of Halter and it's pretty great, the arms just aren't long enough to turn it into a triple stand :\
bleak sand
I had a hard time finding a triple stand that would allow for easy adjustment of the side monitors. I have the larger monitors on the side so they kind of sag a little the ezm does a better job but still far from perfect
timid chasm
spotted a build for my bro and it just so happen to be posted by @scenic silo , kudos on that sub-$800 r5 1600 build
reef patrol
1600.... meh. Gotta get that 1700 π
timid chasm
and what would you need that for?
If the money is there then for sure get what you can but for the price, nah
scenic silo
happy to help
reef patrol
If you're strapped for cash, buy the 1500X and then OC it to match the 1600X.
crude cipher
Newegg is sold out of TR4 MBs
reef patrol
That was fast...or stock were low to avoid poor purchase prices.
crude cipher
The 1920X is in stock... For 1100 USD + shipping
That's some insane retailer margin right there
1950X is almost 1400 USD
Oh
This is the Canada site
Lol me
crude cipher
Uh-oh, Freenode is acting very dead
smoky moat
The robots are taking over! https://i.imgur.com/led15Z7.gifv
timid chasm
My new (used) monitor didn't come with a power supply π’
solar hinge
Aren't those usually built-in?
keen osprey
Some do come with a seperate brick
reef patrol
Mhmm. Especially gamery ones. The 34" one I had had a massive one.
keen osprey
Ya, with all the tech nowadays.
reef patrol
It IS lazy design though. They can definitely be integrated given good thermal design on part of the engineers.
keen osprey
I mean, mine arent even that technically advanced, standard IPS, 60Hz and they even come with a small brick
Nothing fancy bout them otherwise
Then again they were one of the first IPS ones to come around when LG started investing in that π€
timid chasm
it's curved and pretty dang slime so maybe that's why it wasn't integrated. That's what I get for buying used from amazon warehouse but...I saved 40 bucks and they refunded me enough on top of the 40 already saved to get one so I'm content overall π
zenith mirage
Amazon warehouse is where i do all my shopping. Can save a decent amount, and so far the stuff i've bought has been pristine
timid chasm
wish I could say the same. My first experience with them was shit lol
no power supply, wait 2 more days for replacement, and when I get it the monitor screen is cracked lol
zenith mirage
I mean at least Amazon's return policy is decent enough, but yeah I can see that being a pain.
It's funny. The last thing I ordered from the normal Amazon stock came in a worse state than any warehouse items. A PS4 game, the case for which was completely crushed.
timid chasm
they've definitely worked with me to make it right. got free overnight shipping on a new one and they refund will be started as soon as UPS scans the return label
timid chasm
anybody encountered gpu artifacting issues with the win 10 creators update?
reef patrol
Nope
vocal path
Sorry bout that lol
vocal path
I think I could get use to it, I would definitely buy one if it were under $100
I mean that's a bit pricy but that's what you pay for the newest tech, even if it isn't proven
In mostly just super excited that I will finaly be able to drift in beam ng drive
zenith mirage
No matter what order these are in, i cannot get windows to appear
Same issue as before
I swear technology just doesn't like me
reef patrol
Only the bottom one of those is a harddrive though. Unplug that USB and see if it helps.
Or for troubleshooting try using the Boot menu and forcing the Crucial.
zenith mirage
That's the windows boot USB though. Is that the correct term? Anyway, fresh install
Right, boot override to the SSD then, we'll see what happens
Oh hey, boot override set to one of those USB partitions has maybe done it. I remember it did this, then during the first restart would go back to the BIOS again
Yep, did the same thing :(
reef patrol
So it DID boot once correctly?
zenith mirage
It turns out that due to some unknown CPU fan error it would just boot to the BIOS to bring it to my attention. Just told it to ignore the error and it worked fine
What a lot of time for a small problem
reef patrol
π
CPU FAN error sounds like the CPU cooler isn't plugged into the correct fan header on the motherboard. Or it's broken π
glad scroll
Better fix that, wouldnt want an overheat xD
zenith mirage
I have relocated it to a different header, also marked CPU fan
So we'll see what happens
reef patrol
New toy π
vocal path
@reef patrol which part is new?
reef patrol
The glowing PC π
vocal path
I see an Asus gpu, right?
reef patrol
MSI. The entire PC is an MSI prebuilt. π
vocal path
Right I got those shrouds mixed up. Congrats man, what are the specs?
reef patrol
7700 and a 1070. It also comes in a 1080 version. Sadly I won't get to keep it. But still a lot of fun to loan it for a review. Nice to see how far prebuilts have come. You can actually swap parts in this for the most part - I still see far too many Dell and HP gaming PCs where they use proprietary parts.
zenith mirage
7700k option or no? I guess maybe people are less likely to overclock if they're already buying prebuilts. Maybe that's a broad assumption, idk.
reef patrol
Sadly no. Which is odd, since OC would be impossible given the B250 motherboard anyway, but then at least you'd have better factory clocks.
silver night
that looks like a cherry mx 6 board there )
silver night
yeah i like it too, low profile keycaps, nice wristrest
reef patrol
Not a fan of the wristrest - At least not anymore. The glue started to go loose after a few weeks. I don't use it anymore.
vocal path
@reef patrol any k a skew cpu is the same as its non k counterpart with the ability to easily overclock it. No higher frequency. This is why I got a 7600 for my pc and not a 7600k, its the best i5 that I don't have to overclock
reef patrol
I'm afraid that's incorrect. The 7700K will turbo another 300mhz
Also the 7700K has a higher baseclock, meaning it doesn't throttle up and down
vocal path
Really, then that's a newer function because on the 6000 series I thought they were the same thing
smoky moat
halcyon jolt
I'm sure this has been asked before, but is the firmware opensource?
reef patrol
It will be eventually.
halcyon jolt
@reef patrol thanks, is there a set date for the firmware release?
reef patrol
Not to my knowledge. It's something the Wooting team has talked about a lot. They want to work towards a point where the firmware is feature finished and stable, and then focus on making it easy and available to hobbyist programmers who want to play around with it.
At least that's my understanding - You can always ask @hexed gyro lder on the upcoming livestream on Sunday, or I guess if he answers here π
halcyon jolt
ah, alright
do you know if there a re any configuration options for linux users, at least?
reef patrol
You mean like Wootility? Linux version is still being worked on. You can set up the keyboard on a Mac/Windows based PC for things like lights, but the analog stuff won't work as far as I recall without it.
halcyon jolt
yah, i saw that it was "coming soon" on the website
where can i find more info about the controller and other hardware details?
..if they released any
i just need to know if i'd be able to flash something like QMK or a custom firmware, until the official firmware become available
@hexed gyro ping
reef patrol
[ Watercooling Intensifies ]
hexed gyro
@gwash#0885 Wootility will open source first. We're giving access to the raw keyboard data for people working on something interesting. Open sourcing the entire firmware is still a bit of a debate. Otherwise it's releasing expanded SDK
still a topic that needs to flourish, and get there
tropic peak
I have a Dell XPS 8700 and a Dell S2430L Monitor
I want to upgrade the graphics card
given that I swap the 460W stock PSU for a 750W PSU what graphics card would you recommend for 1080P gaming?
south nova
Lol, you would most likely need a low profile card
vocal path
Gtx 960 or 970 or 1050ti or 1060
timid chasm
anybody recently had issues with xbox one controllers? Seems after the creator update Witcher 3 won't recognize it but every other game does and Witcher will recognize a DS4
crude cipher
@tropic peak 1060 is completely sufficient for 1080p
reef patrol
Depends on your demands really.
Got a 7700 / 1070 machine on my desk right now, and you can definitely push that below 60FPS in some recent titles. Wildlands drops to about 50 on Ultra, but will happily sit at 70-85 on Very High.
Overwatch easily pulls 110 at Ultra (at 100% resolution scale). And so on and so forth. π
zenith mirage
All depends on optimisation. From what I remember, Wildlands runs fairly poorly.
Nothing compared to Mafia 3 though
vocal path
Those are so much money...
crude cipher
Unfortunately
halcyon moss
Did not expect it to be hard to find a headset flexible "boom" mic 3.5mm...
But it is
vocal path
Yeah a lot are usb
halcyon moss
Want to do something like this:
http://imgur.com/gallery/bKU4H
Look at the gallery.. that preview shows half
Found some cheap mics on ali express
not straight but 90 degree angled...
crude cipher
@halcyon moss ModMic?
timid chasm
ModMics ftw!
Anybody here run game servers for themselves or friends? If so what's the RAM hungriest server you've ran (modded included).
halcyon moss
you talking about minecraft?
glad scroll
I think he is talking about hosting (game)servers in general
halcyon moss
woah modmic is quite pricy
timid chasm
in general, yes. I've ran MC, ARK, and 7DTD among a few others but the others were only for a bit
reef patrol
Hehehe
Because using a small country's worth of power to do pointless math is so beneficial π
tropic peak
@reef patrol I'm going for around a $200 to $300 range graphics card.
thinking of getting this card for the Dell XPS 8700 that has the 750W PSU https://www.amazon.ca/EVGA-GeForce-Support-Graphics-03G-P4-6160-KR/dp/B01KUADE3O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1504706247&sr=8-1&keywords=gtx+1060
Reason is because of the upcoming Monster Hunter Frontier game that is going to be released on PC.
reef patrol
π
"Guy who made iPhone from spare parts" is back. This time he's adding a headphone jack back into the iPhones without. By making his own PCB.
glad scroll
Thats awesome!
odd stirrup
Seems like a lot of effort to give money to a company that is user-hostile in their designs
reef patrol
...give money?
crude cipher
@reef patrol the idea being that the alternative to modding the new iPhone design is to buy a phone from a different company
odd stirrup
To mod an iPhone, you need to buy an iPhone (or at least somewhere along the line, someone bought it)
and buying an iPhone without a headphone jack shows you don't care about the jack
glad scroll
An interesting song, considering its made by an AI. https://soundcloud.com/remixmylife/monolithic-direction
reef patrol
To mod an iPhone you need to own one. Doesn't mean you have to go out and buy one...
Needs and demands can develop (shock horror) long after purchase.
odd stirrup
someone had to pay for it at some point, or it's stolen
reef patrol
Still missing that good ole point there.
odd stirrup
I think you might also be missing mine...
It might be that me calling Apple user-hostile has made you see my messages in a way I did not intend. If that is the case, I am sorry.
reef patrol
Not at all - Your logic just doesn't add up. Why buy anything, if you might develop a need down the line that another product might fulfill better?
odd stirrup
I mean, I understand that if the need was not a usual one but headphone jacks have been an important part of phone, and general device, designs for years and now Apple has removed it and instead made a new product to replace the functionality that in turn increases the costs of buying from their brand.
And when people vote with their wallets by buying brands that take away parts of their product to sell them seperately later then everyone suffers.
It's a bit like how AAA games are today which so many microtransactions for things that would've been included free years ago
sharp pollen
Hmm, wondering about how to make an electron app that can monitor for games, kinda like Discord's activity status basically.
The npm module ps-list seems good for grabbing a list to check current processes: https://github.com/sindresorhus/ps-list
I like how discord allows naming particularly, it's really user-friendly.
fervent plaza
Nice find, I'll check it out. I think another problem is scanning what games are installed, otherwise you would have to check the running processes against a big database
I also remember steam did some funky stuff with the processes, but it's been a while since I looked into it. It's hard to find the time π₯
fervent plaza
@sharp pollen btw, what do you use to connect to arduino from electron?
Some USB-HID interface?
sharp pollen
I typically just communicate via USB for ease, yeah
https://www.npmjs.com/package/serialport does the trick typically
sharp pollen
I think it is inevitable to have to check against a big database, it is what discord does iirc from trying to learn and poke around. However, I do think you can cache away to only check against new and unknown processes and work down the queue of that over time. Discord also had tons of analytics tracking for everything. You can pretty much do the same to see what common patterns use for games and add it to a common database if it seems legit imho.
crude cipher
@fervent plaza I think you could use Steam itself to do game lookups
Using the game IDs
Maybe
Otherwise you have to have a DB anyways to tell what's actually a game
(@crude cipher, now playing firefox.exe)
odd stirrup
Simple: just include Discord in Wootility and then when it recognizes a game, load the profile for it
timid chasm
if you had to pick between getting an adapter from hong kong or China which would you risk?
odd stirrup
I thought Hong Kong was in China...
fervent plaza
It's complicated, although both adapters are most certainly made in china
timid chasm
reef patrol
Hong Kong is kind of part of China, but they govern themselves to some extent. You have to pass an actual border and everything.
You might consider it the "toll free" part of China in a way.
glad scroll
For the people who want to try video call but didnt get luck in the random draw. https://i.gyazo.com/25fd342c7eb062014c054972ab41f472.png
timid chasm
yeah but then they're all gonna complain about how unstable canary is
sinful grove
zenith mirage
What is canary?
Okay, google reveals it's like a beat branch of discord or something?
Cool
sharp pollen
google chrome canary, discord canary, etc, yeah sorta like experimental but usable branches
odd stirrup
canaries in the coal mines that are developement teams
glad scroll
@zenith mirage Canary is a experimental release
debug version, if you will.
well, not debug, but maybe a step beyond that.
crude cipher
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-vast-curved-gaming-monitor?utm_source=linkshare&referer=2GH2GE
@reef patrol have you tested any VA panels?
"All the good stuff from IPS and TN" sounds to me like an oversimplification
lethal wasp
It's VA so it might have issues with dark shade transitions
I can see VA being more promising than IPS if my quantum dot tv is anything to go by however
zenith mirage
Finally replaced my Cloud 2s with my AKGs. Never got around to buying a DAC/AMP until yesterday. Improvement in sound quality, comfort has taken a large hit though. The price you pay for joy...
crude cipher
AKG M70x or something else?
reef patrol
I've tested... one I think? AHVA though.
crude cipher
I'm considering getting this for my Windows gaming/music rig instead of sharing monitor with my Linux box
lethal wasp
somewhat fixed my topre keyboard and I still hate it xd
@zenith mirage see if you can get a JDS labs element second hand, that's what I did and it's pretty much end game
or a schiit fulla 2 if you wanna save money
lethal wasp
Just tested it vs onboard and I get the EXACT same reaction time so I don't think there's any latency to speak of
tiny tide
I thought the element would be end game, I was quite wrong. Currently using a Valhalla 2 with a gimby. It's never enough in this hobby.
crude cipher
Yikes
lethal wasp
What do you think is improvable though
the dac or the amp
DAC's seem super snake oil beyond the o2 and similar
tiny tide
I do agree alot of middle of the road dacs sound the same, it's not worth it until you get to the high end level like gimby.
tiny tide
Gungir Multibit
tiny tide
Honestly the biggest difference comes from the amp and wether you choose to go tube, solid state etc. I use Tidal or FLAC
lethal wasp
I found out my soundcard was like 30ohm output
when it should be atleast 1/8th of my headphones impedence
yeah, my soundblaster z was 22ohm
tiny tide
Output impedance matching is a bit of a meme, it's honestly just if you like what the little bit of coloration is doing to the headphone
lethal wasp
and I was using fidelio x1s
it has more backing than stupidly high bitrate/sample rate tbf
tiny tide
It's all personal preference past 320kbps for sound files
tiny tide
Well, I personally think the gungir Multibit makes music sound better than other dacs with an audible difference in resolution compared to cheaper dacs. However for most people I would think the fulla 2's dac is sufficient
tiny tide
Looks are subjective, I think the schiit stack looks pretty slick. I wouldn't recommend either as it is right now though. NFB-11 is basically the be all end all for that range of dac amps
lethal wasp
how much effect does the room have on the frequency responce of speakers?
sounds like the jbl lsr305 seems to shit on even hd800's
it puzzles me how people can pay so much for headphones when they all have major flaws of some kind
tiny tide
I'm not too familiar with room speakers but treating a room can help prevent sound from bouncing around as much causing reverb etc.
All high end headphones have flaws and quirks, yes. But some people hate treble, love a v shape, want a flat response, a shape etc.
crude cipher
Have you used the jotunheim?
I have a Scarlett 2i2 currently but I don't think it will drive some of the stuff I have on order
HD6XX, T-X0
I'd love to be able to feed two computers' audio into one amp
There's the Liquid Carbon X and the LCH + SDAC too
Er @tiny tide ^
tiny tide
I've only used the scarlette 2i2 for driving a xlr mic I have, the liquid carbon is a great amp, are you looking to buy one or?
crude cipher
I'm looking to buy something
tiny tide
I'm not all that familiar with the SDAC
crude cipher
I currently have a 2i2 + ATH M70x + AKG Perception 170
Two headphones above on the way
tiny tide
And you're just wanting a new amp or amp and dac
tiny tide
What are you going to be using to connect to your PC, USB or optical
crude cipher
USB
tiny tide
What is your price range?
crude cipher
@π©Ayybossπ©#5172 I'd rather spend 400 or less
crude cipher
Jotunheim I guess is 500 with the DAC
Liquid Carbon X is 300 and I'd have to add some sort of DAC
Seems like stacking my 2i2 onto the Jotunheim might be the easiest way to go
lethal wasp
are you really spending more on a dac than your headphones? :/
tiny tide
jotunheim is a really good dac amp but imo it's kind of bright / dont be surprised if you don't like it as much @crude cipher
crude cipher
@lethal wasp no?
@tiny tide hmm. I think I probably want something a little less colored
Particularly since this needs to serve duty both for listening and monitoring
tiny tide
@crude cipher Audio-GD NFB11.28 is amazing for the price atm http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFN1128/NFB1128EN.htm, you can also switch it from a neutral sound to warm with a jumper depending on what you want to do
crude cipher
Out of stock though
crude cipher
Also doesn't seem to have an aux in to the amp
tiny tide
Probably the jot then @crude cipher
when I say it is bright that is just me really being picky compared to other amps i own/have had
crude cipher
Ok
crude cipher
@tiny tide yeah no I'm not gonna drop 4k on this system haha
crude cipher
@tiny tide do you plan to go to Mjolnir? Gungnir seems like overkill feeding into the Valhalla
crude cipher
Aren't tube amps warm?
tiny tide
valhalla is a tube amp π€
I like warm
audio is a very subjective thing, stay away from tubes if you want a more straight sound
crude cipher
I said that before looking at it and realizing that's your target
tiny tide
aye it is
your best bet is probably the jot with its balanced dac @crude cipher You can also get it in black and white now which is really cool
odd stirrup
Is that just a slab of rock
tiny tide
yeah that's polished marble methinks underneath
crude cipher
@tiny tide yeah I was wondering what the black finish looked like :)
glad scroll
Not really caught, but the owner(s?) said to the community that was another way to generate revenue to keep it running.
reef patrol
"pirate bay"
glad scroll
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Well, its "handing out copied stuff in order to generate revenue" for the owners XD
reef patrol
More regarding calling it Pirate Bay, when there's been no such thing for years. It's all clones and honeypots these days,
odd stirrup
You are saying the one under the SE tld is a clone?
reef patrol
Hasn't been an SE one in ages to my knowledge. The biggest clone is at .org (which I believe is the one they are talking about in that article)
reef patrol
I'm not talking about proxies, but literal clones. Websites run by separate groups of people with different agendas.
tiny tide
@crude cipher Schiit Magni 3 just released
crude cipher
@tiny tide nice but still only one input
And no black ;_;
Presumably I could get SYS and another DAC, but now it's a stack of 4 devices
On the other hand, Modi Multibit + Magni 3 = a ton of bang-for-buck
tiny tide
I had the modi multibit for the longest time before upgrading from it, it's a really nice dac.
crude cipher
I think I didn't realize how small these things are
Like I picture them to be the same size as my 2i2
But that's not accurate I don't think
tiny tide
They're a bit smaller than the focusrite, I think. Really suprised me how small they are
crude cipher
Hmm the Vast supports picture-in-picture
That's appealing
Get two 21in 1720x1440 monitors for productivity time
crude cipher
@tiny tide I'm going back and reading parts of "Schiit Happened" againβ this actually the second time the Magni has killed the Asgard
tiny tide
@crude cipher The asgard 2 has really fallen to a niche low power amp that delivers a warmer sound than the magni. I think jason realized that everyone was skipping the asgard straight for the valhalla 2.
crude cipher
Class A vs AB
I had wondered why the Asgard was so big until I read the explanation about how much energy it has to dissipate 24x7
glad scroll
If you have a reason for buying the 1800x, then I dont see anything wrong with it
odd stirrup
0/10 not enough RGB
glad scroll
maybe that 32gb is overkill, but if you have a reason for that too, then same thing.
crude cipher
Dual service gaming and music
ashen spindle
I'd wait for the new intel series to get released in ~ 2 weeks
glad scroll
Well, idk how much ram it uses
ashen spindle
even if you dont want them they mgiht drop the amd prices
glad scroll
Or monero mining starts inflating the cpu market
jk
wont happen with coin hive alive
Will 650W do it tho? @crude cipher Im not very knowledgeful on system power usage.
crude cipher
@glad scroll the founders 1080 was capped at 180w
I don't expect to go above 400w much
glad scroll
Alright
odd stirrup
20kw PSU or bust
crude cipher
Fold
uncut lark
What is the current state of open source wooting (api?) for example control the led's from code π or remapping from code
uncut lark
@fervent plaza ? Calder tells me to ask you about this
glad scroll
xD
crude cipher
yield from is a statement that you put in a generator to unwrap another generator, so you're getting a stream of results
And just piping them through to the caller of the generator
glad scroll
Ah
crude cipher
Whereas await more unwraps an async coroutine to get a single result.
await is actually more similar in practice to next()
In the special case where the generator you're passing to next is expected to give one result
glad scroll
Thats interesting
crude cipher
So with your listcomp, you're saying "I'm going to sit here and wait until you give me everything you know!" Whereas next and a generator just says "run until you have something, then immediately give it to me"
glad scroll
Way more efficient and less time consuming xD
crude cipher
Kinda like a coroutine, except synchronous, which is why I said you should understand generators pretty easily
glad scroll
Yeah, its a great thing so you can have start running code without having to wait for everything
zenith mirage
https://gyazo.com/34773fb2b6e80d69d1fb63730002a645
When your internet works
vocal path
jesus. i want that
tiny tide
I'm happy to be at university, at home I'm lucky to get 100kbps :/
main stream
hexed gyro
@uncut lark Better to send him a DM. He is currently traveling back to Taiwan, after his short visit in NL π
odd stirrup
crude cipher
So much better than my old internet
Just as long as I don't have to reset my router three nights in a row...
crude cipher
Latest version of my build: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/72houq/highend_gamingsynthesis_build_plan/
crude cipher
Well that's been underwhelming
reef patrol
Hmm?
crude cipher
@reef patrol made a post on /r/buildapc, got a bunch of replies from people who didn't bother actually finishing reading the post